Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott and this is
Speaker 1: Hot for Suit.
Speaker 2: All right, you were in Las Vegas for Formula one.
Speaker 1: For the Grand Prix. It's the year two of the
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Grand Prix and it's quite cold, so if
Speaker 1: you're coming, bring your coats.
Speaker 3: And your hats and your gloves. But as as.
Speaker 2: Such, we have a special interview with an actual race
Speaker 2: car driver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have Alexander Rossi, who is phenomenal. He of
Speaker 1: course has driven nine seasons in Indy Car. He won
Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred in twenty sixteen. He had five
Speaker 1: starts in F one and was the first.
Speaker 3: I think he was the.
Speaker 1: Youngest guy to win the Indy five hundred since nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty eight. I mean, he's so, he's very accomplished. He's
Speaker 1: also got a podcast about racing that's pretty good, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he's fascinating. So I get the real scoop from him
Speaker 1: on the insider level of F one, Vegas and racing and.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say his podcast is phenomenal. As a
Speaker 2: guy who listens to podcasts all the time, I can
Speaker 2: say that. Also, I want to point out you did
Speaker 2: that yourself because I was, I'm like working double duty
Speaker 2: around here, and on my day job.
Speaker 3: He has two jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, I'm looking forward to that. But before
Speaker 2: we get to that, we have to talk about the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous thing that I have ever seen in my
Speaker 2: entire life in the auto industry.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 5: I can't think.
Speaker 2: I've been racking my brain to think of any bigger
Speaker 2: marketing fiasco, and I can't. Jaguar has like what, I
Speaker 2: don't even understand what it is. Jaguar has ended current
Speaker 2: production of their vehicles and they're now rebranding, or at
Speaker 2: least they're rebranding the company, and it's so.
Speaker 5: Wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, okay, we know that we knew that Jaguar
Speaker 1: is not making any new cars. We know that they
Speaker 1: had said in twenty twenty one they're only going to
Speaker 1: make evs. They're like not even making money on any
Speaker 1: of the cars that they're currently selling. They're not developing
Speaker 1: any new ones, like I said, and so yes, so
Speaker 1: on the nineteenth, earlier this week, they announced what is
Speaker 1: going to be their rebrand, which is supposed to be
Speaker 1: this launch of them as a completely new brand and
Speaker 1: company into the future. I'm stutterings it was so far
Speaker 1: off of anything that Jaguar meant or had stood for
Speaker 1: or represented to people in all of the past years
Speaker 1: of itsy. I'm sure by now all of our readers
Speaker 1: have seen this. They deleted everything on their Instagram account.
Speaker 1: They've put up two new posts, well now three.
Speaker 2: I just there's a third one. Now I've just heard that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a video that basically looks like a Kohle's ad
Speaker 1: or sort of you know, something from two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: Maybe it has nothing to do with cars. It was
Speaker 2: compared to Teletubbies. It's yeah, people, it's along the lines
Speaker 2: of BMW's XM marketing campaign, remember that, Yeah, but somehow
Speaker 2: far worse.
Speaker 1: You know, it's getting a lot of blowback for being woke,
Speaker 1: but just like performatively and patronizingly woke.
Speaker 3: So there's that.
Speaker 1: You should if you're listening and you haven't, please go
Speaker 1: watch it and comment along with the twenty six thousand
Speaker 1: other people who have commented on it. Then the next
Speaker 1: picture they put up on Instagram was like a rear
Speaker 1: shot of this car, this concept car that they're going
Speaker 1: to announce in Miami on December second, And that photo
Speaker 1: has been likened to an air conditioner looking like an
Speaker 1: air conditioner basically, So it just feels.
Speaker 5: Could be a printer.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking maybe a printer.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it certainly seems like this is a
Speaker 1: case of when marketing is so far off of reality
Speaker 1: and what the grass roots world of people who buy
Speaker 1: cars wants. It's really shocking and honestly kind of sad.
Speaker 1: Now there are some who have suggested, hey, Jaguar wasn't
Speaker 1: doing great anyway, they really need to just burn everything
Speaker 1: to the ground, and this is how you have a
Speaker 1: proper relaunch. You just destroy everything and then start again.
Speaker 1: But you know, I would just say it takes The
Speaker 1: only thing that you can't buy is time and heritage.
Speaker 1: You know, you build heritage over time, and they've completely
Speaker 1: destroyed the one asset that they can't actually buy or make.
Speaker 1: You either have it or you don't. So I do
Speaker 1: not have high hopes for whatever this concept that we're
Speaker 1: going to be shown is in December. Oh and another thing,
Speaker 1: their logo, Now, Matt, you mentioned earlier that you can
Speaker 1: be very pedantic when it comes to certain things, and
Speaker 1: this logo they've gotten rid of the leaper the jag,
Speaker 1: the leaping jag. They have come up with some sort
Speaker 1: of like very softly san serif type under lowercase Jaguar,
Speaker 1: but the G and the U are capital so it's
Speaker 1: basically like a capital goo in the middle of the
Speaker 1: word Jaguar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, the leaper so in the in
Speaker 2: the new Instagram post, and I would just say to
Speaker 2: those people listening, you haven't seen it, you must go
Speaker 2: on Instagram and look at their first marketing clip, and
Speaker 2: then keep in mind that they very likely paid someone
Speaker 2: to do this campaign for them, So they have paid
Speaker 2: money for something.
Speaker 5: You just won't believe it.
Speaker 1: How bad what they paid.
Speaker 2: I will say in the third post, they've got what
Speaker 2: looks like around the around the bottom of the door
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, by the front wheel, well sort of
Speaker 2: a shot of I guess what must be the concept car.
Speaker 5: And they do have the leaper.
Speaker 2: Back on on a panel that I guess a panel
Speaker 2: sort of opens up and a camera comes out.
Speaker 5: It's I don't know.
Speaker 2: The only thing I can say is you have to
Speaker 2: see it for yourself. Seventeen million followers on Instagram, so
Speaker 2: a lot of people have seen it, and I think
Speaker 2: you're not far off. Yeah, thirty right now, thirty one
Speaker 2: thousand comments about how bad it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if they're if the full goal of
Speaker 1: marketing is to get people to talk about your brand,
Speaker 1: they've really hit it out of the park because this
Speaker 1: is everywhere, you know.
Speaker 3: People are writing about it.
Speaker 1: I actually knew the rebrand was coming, but chose not
Speaker 1: to cover it because it's just they didn't even have
Speaker 1: a car to show.
Speaker 3: Our plan is to cover the car.
Speaker 1: When it comes out in December, in a few weeks.
Speaker 1: But this is just beyond surprising, you know. It To me,
Speaker 1: it feels panicky, you know, And I understand that right
Speaker 1: now in the automotive market, feels like a lot of
Speaker 1: brands are panicking because there's a sort of schizophrenia where
Speaker 1: they don't know if they should hold on to the
Speaker 1: combustion side of things or just make this huge leap
Speaker 1: into the new EV world. And it seems like Jaguar
Speaker 1: has decided they're going to make this huge leap no
Speaker 1: pun intended with the Leafer into the new EV world,
Speaker 1: and they're betting.
Speaker 3: They really are betting it all.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of breathtaking, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's in a good way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to talk about is you
Speaker 2: have a piece out of your column on the new
Speaker 2: Panamer or a new hybrid version, and I wonder, first
Speaker 2: of all, what role the Panamera plays now in the
Speaker 2: in the Porsche model offering, because they do have the Taikon.
Speaker 2: If you're looking for a four door, a'll be it electric,
Speaker 2: right and everybody otherwise is buying SUVs, so Macan and Cayenne.
Speaker 2: Is there really are there really a lot of sales
Speaker 2: still the Panamera.
Speaker 1: Honestly, they're they're pretty low and they're down. And I
Speaker 1: really think when the Taiekan debuted in twenty nineteen, it
Speaker 1: really like all of the assets and resources that were
Speaker 1: used that had been used on the Panamera promotion and
Speaker 1: sales and everything, it felt like it was all switched
Speaker 1: to Taikan because of course, this was the future, this
Speaker 1: was the electric vehicle of you know, that we all
Speaker 1: wanted and needed, and it really really did feel like
Speaker 1: Panamara was going away that this you know, they weren't
Speaker 1: going to renew it. But now it's so interesting because
Speaker 1: Taikan aftermarket values are really getting slaughtered right now. EV
Speaker 1: sales obviously are down in general, especially in China, and
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not making any great statement about whether
Speaker 1: you know, I think Panamara sales are going up or
Speaker 1: not going up. I'm just saying that for this particular
Speaker 1: hybrid car, it was fabulous. It's also very expensive, but
Speaker 1: it was like even I had kind of forgotten about
Speaker 1: the Panamera and just assumed it would be let go.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: This is I had forgotten how great a car it is.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even necessarily a sedan type of person,
Speaker 1: but it was really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a couple of sedans, true, Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I thought I was starting to forget about it as well.
Speaker 2: I don't think about the Panama very much. I see
Speaker 2: some more aged Panamaras on the road, but this new
Speaker 2: one looks very nice, especially I guess. I guess yours
Speaker 2: is the gray one that I'm looking at in your piece, and.
Speaker 3: Some people might call it purple.
Speaker 2: But a quarter of a million dollars.
Speaker 1: I know. Well, this goes back to our earlier conversation
Speaker 1: about how expensive the Mercedes Sedan was, you know, like
Speaker 1: it's some of these like executive style sedans. I'm still surprised,
Speaker 1: you know. And yes, I did read the email calling
Speaker 1: me a snob and saying, you know, I could never
Speaker 1: afford these anyway, so I don't get to comment on them.
Speaker 5: That wasn't very nice. I didn't think that was very nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's you know, honestly, my thought is it's it's
Speaker 1: hardly the worst thing I've been called, and it's neither
Speaker 1: the first nor the last time I've been called a snob.
Speaker 1: So if having high standards earns me that badge, that
Speaker 1: is a label I'm proud to wear. But all that said,
Speaker 1: it's expensive. It's a lot of money. You get a
Speaker 1: lot for it, but it's so expensive.
Speaker 2: I mean everything's expensive, but that just seems exorbitant, two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars whatever. I guess as I age,
Speaker 2: it's hard for me to keep up with prices and
Speaker 2: understand them. I was driving this week a truck, and
Speaker 2: it'll be maybe a boring thing to talk about for
Speaker 2: people listening to this podcast because it's just an electric truck.
Speaker 2: It was the GMC Sierra Denali ev It's their sort
Speaker 2: of luxurious version of the Sierra truck. I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 2: I have to say I loved the driving experience because
Speaker 2: it has you know, so much power and instant torque
Speaker 2: as all you know evs do. I loved the functionality
Speaker 2: of it. The fronk is very useful on a pickup truck,
Speaker 2: especially because if you put stuff in a pickup bed,
Speaker 2: it slides all over the place. So it's nice to
Speaker 2: have a smaller, more compact storage space. But the pickup
Speaker 2: bed is innovative. It's got like the Bowlinger had and
Speaker 2: I think maybe Arrivian has this too. You pass through
Speaker 2: so you can put down the middle of the pickup
Speaker 2: truck and put you know, if you're carrying eleven foot
Speaker 2: two by fours, you've got space for it. I don't
Speaker 2: often carry eleven foot two by fours, but it's cool, yes,
Speaker 2: And it's also like a pickup truck these days is
Speaker 2: such a great family car.
Speaker 5: It's very roomy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy for you to think that. Like,
Speaker 1: I know, we talked about that last week. I makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. I mean I don't have kids.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I have enough room for the
Speaker 2: kids to the car. Seats are such a pain to
Speaker 2: put in the vehicle. There's not a problem in this vehicle.
Speaker 2: Plus I can put stuff in the bed or the
Speaker 2: front if I need to, and I normally am a
Speaker 2: I don't like giant screens. This thing has probably the
Speaker 2: biggest screen I've ever seen myself in a car that
Speaker 2: I've been in. But it's so functional, I mean, don't
Speaker 2: even miss physical buttons like I think the General Motors
Speaker 2: has the infertainment system down so well. I would put
Speaker 2: it up against the Mercedes Benz system any day, and
Speaker 2: I think it works fantastically. And by the way, this
Speaker 2: is the first time I've gotten in a vehicle in
Speaker 2: the last few years that doesn't have car Play, not
Speaker 2: just doesn't have a wireless connection to car Play, but
Speaker 2: doesn't have Apple car Play at all. And I do
Speaker 2: not miss it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I would either, to be.
Speaker 5: Honest, don't miss it.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I don't think I would miss it.
Speaker 3: It's all what's the part of that truck.
Speaker 2: So that's that's why I was That's why I brought
Speaker 2: it up. It's one hundred thousand dollars as I tested,
Speaker 2: so for you know, that's that's to me, that's very expensive.
Speaker 5: And as a pickup truck, I think also that's.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could get a Raptor R with the
Speaker 2: big V eight for one hundred grand, but I guess
Speaker 2: prices are just getting higher. And okay, this is the
Speaker 2: first edition. They call it Edition one, and it is
Speaker 2: the Denali, which is kind of ridiculous, Like it has
Speaker 2: twenty four inch wheels and wow, I mean, I guess
Speaker 2: that looks cool, But I want eighteen inch wheels, you know,
Speaker 2: on a truck. I want tire wall. I want you know, absorption.
Speaker 2: But of the bumps and it rattles in the One
Speaker 2: big complaint I have is that it rattles and squeaks
Speaker 2: on the inside because the headline isn't perfectly attached. I
Speaker 2: think maybe that's because this is like one of the
Speaker 2: first ones and it's a press vehicle. But I've noticed
Speaker 2: that in a lot of big truck EV trucks you
Speaker 2: hear so much of the interior noise.
Speaker 1: This is my problem with a lot of evs and
Speaker 1: it gets me, you know, really attacked online for saying it.
Speaker 3: But they're not well made.
Speaker 1: And I am not nobody, nobody paying one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars should be faced with a product that isn't well made.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: That's you don't get a pass just because you're out
Speaker 1: there saving the world in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I hope that this is a
Speaker 2: one off issue with this specific vehicle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it is.
Speaker 2: And I just I love it as a family car,
Speaker 2: and this is the first time I can really imagine
Speaker 2: maybe buying an EV for us.
Speaker 4: Cool. Wow.
Speaker 3: And you know, have you charged it yet?
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the other thing. It's got like a
Speaker 2: two hundred kilowatt hour battery, and so I don't charge
Speaker 2: it at home because my wife won't let me in
Speaker 2: the garage.
Speaker 5: She owns the garage now.
Speaker 2: And so I have this I park at work here,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm here eight to twelve hours a day,
Speaker 2: and I have them plug it in, but it's just
Speaker 2: they just plug it in like to the normal plug.
Speaker 3: Like a toaster.
Speaker 2: It took two full work days and I'm working double
Speaker 2: shifts here, so it took two days of like ten
Speaker 2: hours a day to charge it from I got it
Speaker 2: down to like twenty five percent back up to ninety.
Speaker 1: This is the this is the struggle. And I'm in
Speaker 1: Vegas right now and it's front of mine because I
Speaker 1: drove from Los Angeles to Vegas. That's a three and
Speaker 1: a half to four hour drive, and you really can't
Speaker 1: make it in one charge. So say you were going
Speaker 1: to drive this truck from LA to Vegas, which should
Speaker 1: be a three and a half hour drive, are you
Speaker 1: gonna spend two nights? Well, you charge the truck.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it would be a problem with another electric car,
Speaker 2: I think because this one is the Denali and it's
Speaker 2: the addition one and it's the biggest and best that
Speaker 2: they make, and it's like I think they call it
Speaker 2: the Max battery pack or whatever. It has four hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty miles of range, so it's okay, massively range.
Speaker 3: Ye, that would make it to Vegas in theory. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're perfect driving conditions.
Speaker 2: No, I would have it on my pedal on the
Speaker 2: floor the whole time because it's so fat and by
Speaker 2: the way, it's so big and heavy that it's scary
Speaker 2: that it goes that fast, like when you really mash it,
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to keep the wheel straight.
Speaker 5: It's it's yeah, I.
Speaker 1: That Infinity QX eighty that we both had felt so slow,
Speaker 1: and it's because we're now in these we're in similar
Speaker 1: sized evs, like the cyber truck, the hummer, this thing.
Speaker 1: They are so crazy fast that when you get into
Speaker 1: something the exact same size with a combustion engine, it
Speaker 1: just feels so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But did you like the Infinity QX
Speaker 2: eighty because I.
Speaker 1: Found it to be extremely performative in its luxury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can read all about it in my review.
Speaker 1: But I had a hard I had a hard time finding,
Speaker 1: you know, really great aspects about it.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I just like how big and powerful
Speaker 2: it looks. Powerful, it looks well, it's got a three
Speaker 2: and a half liter V six.
Speaker 5: It's like, give me a breath.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that I didn't know it felt
Speaker 1: so underpowered to me driving it.
Speaker 5: No, it is, it is.
Speaker 2: I think Infinity really needs to do something about that asap, but.
Speaker 5: I'm sure they won't.
Speaker 2: All right, let's focus in on power and speed and
Speaker 2: racing since you are in Las Vegas at the Grand
Speaker 2: Prix and listening to your interview with IndyCar driver Alex Rossi.
Speaker 1: Alex, I'm just going to start this by reading a
Speaker 1: light listing of your accomplishments.
Speaker 3: I need you to tell.
Speaker 1: Me if I get anything wrong, But you know, we're
Speaker 1: just going to hit the high notes. We're not going
Speaker 1: to include all of your BMW World domination, but I
Speaker 1: really want people to understand. You know, this long career
Speaker 1: that you've had, you are an American racing driver. You've
Speaker 1: spent I think it's nine seasons in the IndyCar Series
Speaker 1: with thirty career podium finishes, including eight victories.
Speaker 3: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: When you were seventeen, you moved to Europe to pursue
Speaker 1: dreams of Formula one and at the time, we're the
Speaker 1: youngest driver to hold an F one super license. You
Speaker 1: made five F one Grand Prix starts for Manor Racing,
Speaker 1: joining the very limited list of Americans who have ever
Speaker 1: started an F one race. And then, of course, in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, what we all know and love about you
Speaker 1: is that you won the one hundredth running of the
Speaker 1: Indy five hundred, and I think you were the first
Speaker 1: American rookie to win that race since something like nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Is that sounding correct it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So far, good good.
Speaker 1: More recently, you it's been announced that you will be
Speaker 1: competing next year in the IndyCar Series for Ed Carpenter's operation,
Speaker 1: and we'll be driving the number twenty one Chevrolet co
Speaker 1: driving with Christian Rasmussen, and you also host co host
Speaker 1: a great podcast on Sirius XM called Off Track with
Speaker 1: Hinch and ROSSI that's with your bff, James Hinchcliff. I
Speaker 1: have to admit I was listening to a few episodes
Speaker 1: in preparation for this conversation, and the most stunny thing
Speaker 1: you said was that when you recently officiated a wedding
Speaker 1: in Kentucky, in the hours leading up to the wedding,
Speaker 1: that was the most nervous you have ever been. Now
Speaker 1: that is true, Okay, so in light of all of
Speaker 1: these racing victories, let's talk about those nerves, because I
Speaker 1: was so surprised.
Speaker 3: To hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you for doing the research.
Speaker 4: That's very kind. Sometimes I talk to people and they're like, oh, so,
Speaker 4: what is it that you do again, It's like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: but no, I mean I've been raised since I was ten,
Speaker 4: so I feel like, as much as this is, it's
Speaker 4: an amazing job, and it's an amazing career, and it's
Speaker 4: amazing thing that I get to do kind of six
Speaker 4: months out of the year. Terms of driving race cars,
Speaker 4: it becomes it becomes a job. You know, it's it's
Speaker 4: a very performance and results driven sport, and you're really
Speaker 4: not guaranteed anything, so there's a lot of stress and
Speaker 4: pressures that go along with that. But ultimately, at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, it's it's it's just your it's
Speaker 4: a career. Right. Whereas for me, right, for me officiating
Speaker 4: someone's wedding for the first time, I don't know, like
Speaker 4: I felt a lot of obligation and responsibility considering like
Speaker 4: it's going to be in their wedding video for the
Speaker 4: rest of their life. And they wanted it to be
Speaker 4: like a little comical, which I'm not necessarily known for comedy,
Speaker 4: and they wanted some like traditional elements in it as well.
Speaker 4: So I spent a lot of time, like I'm probably
Speaker 4: four months in terms of like outlining it and thinking
Speaker 4: about how I wanted this to go and all this
Speaker 4: sort of thing. They were like, just don't make it
Speaker 4: more than ten minutes. So that was the only that
Speaker 4: was the only thing that I had, and so I
Speaker 4: was like okay, and like I was ready and like
Speaker 4: I had done the you know, the the rehearsing if
Speaker 4: you will, because you don't want to just be reading
Speaker 4: from a book all the time and trying to get
Speaker 4: the cadence right and all this sort of thing. But
Speaker 4: then all of that preparation kind of amounted to that
Speaker 4: morning and it was like, oh my god, it's actually
Speaker 4: going to happen, like, don't screw it up. And it wasn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't care, Like I didn't care that I was
Speaker 4: delivering a speech in front of eighty people. Was more.
Speaker 4: I just wanted it to be good for them and
Speaker 4: their family. And I decided at the end of that
Speaker 4: that I would never do it again because it was
Speaker 4: by far the most stressed I think I've been in
Speaker 4: my life. So, yeah, that's all true.
Speaker 3: But did you get ordained to do this job?
Speaker 4: I did, Like the the Internet.
Speaker 1: I paid.
Speaker 4: I paid twenty nine dollars. Yeah, filled out like four questions.
Speaker 4: It took five minutes, and it just yeah, it raised
Speaker 4: a lot more questions about the whole the whole institute
Speaker 4: of marriage in my mind. We're not going to talk
Speaker 4: about that today.
Speaker 1: Fine, that's fine, Fine, I mean I just I just
Speaker 1: love of, you know, seeing the softer side of this,
Speaker 1: you know pro driver that actually says no, I was
Speaker 1: really nervous in this, in this completely unknown Arena, sure,
Speaker 1: for sure, So thanks for sharing. You know, I really
Speaker 1: obviously we're taping this ahead of the Formula one in
Speaker 1: race in Vegas, and I definitely want to focus on
Speaker 1: F one, if you're okay with that, you know, I know,
Speaker 1: obviously in your own podcast, you guys talk about all
Speaker 1: different rates, you know, NASCAR, Indie, Formula One, and you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of just am curious to hear your thoughts
Speaker 1: on where racing is in America right now, just in
Speaker 1: the cultural landscape, and you know, is F one racing
Speaker 1: different from NASCAR, from Indy or is racing racing in
Speaker 1: the US, And you know, we're all this is all
Speaker 1: one thing that we're in together, and it's different than
Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago. What's your sense?
Speaker 4: So that's a very good question and one I think
Speaker 4: everyone in the space is trying to figure out. So
Speaker 4: if you had asked me that question, I don't know,
Speaker 4: nine years ago, eight years ago, when I was, when
Speaker 4: I was an American trying to get into F one
Speaker 4: and was on the cusp of it for quite a
Speaker 4: few years and trying to get all the stars aligned
Speaker 4: to make that happen, you know, I would have been
Speaker 4: one that said, you know, car culture is changing kids
Speaker 4: these days at that time, you know, in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: that's not kids today today. But from that kind of
Speaker 4: point all the way till present day. You know, you
Speaker 4: talk to a lot of these kids and it's like
Speaker 4: they're not as interested in getting their driver's license right
Speaker 4: at sixteen as I was and my friends were. There's
Speaker 4: been a lot of transportation evolutions in the sense that
Speaker 4: they don't necessarily have to have their license to get
Speaker 4: from point A to point B. And you know, certainly
Speaker 4: the environmental impact and the ideology of what cars do
Speaker 4: to the environment that has changed amongst younger kids. So
Speaker 4: I would have said that, yeah, the car culture is
Speaker 4: kind of twenty eight years old enough, and ultimately it's
Speaker 4: just getting older and it's not the new blood and
Speaker 4: interest into cars isn't really there. I think if you
Speaker 4: fast forward to present day and you look at motorsports specifically,
Speaker 4: I think what Formula One was able to do that
Speaker 4: not a lot of other series have done through the
Speaker 4: aid of Drive to Survive and Netflix, is they created
Speaker 4: some form of kind of sex appeal and relatability to motorsports.
Speaker 4: You know, it's very easy to watch, you know, We're
Speaker 4: in football season right now. It's very easy to watch
Speaker 4: a football game and watch what Joe Burrow does and
Speaker 4: realize that's very, very challenging. You can go pick up
Speaker 4: a football and be like, I couldn't do that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you can't watch a race, whether it's NASCAR, IndyCar, Apple
Speaker 4: One or whatever and get into that car and realize
Speaker 4: what the people that you're watching or doing is very challenging.
Speaker 4: You know, there's these people it's like, oh, I have
Speaker 4: a Corvette and I've driven one hundred and seventy miles
Speaker 4: an hour before, and I do all these things and
Speaker 4: it's like, how hard can it be? And that's that's
Speaker 4: an understandable reaction, because how on earth are they supposed
Speaker 4: to know? But I think what what Drive to Survive did,
Speaker 4: especially in the US market, is it created this interest
Speaker 4: around the sport and the interests in the human element
Speaker 4: of it, the politics of it, the business side of racing,
Speaker 4: which us as race car drivers hate, but ultimately it's
Speaker 4: it is it is a business, and so I think
Speaker 4: that really generated this kind of pop culture opinion of
Speaker 4: what Formula one is. Now are these fans fans that
Speaker 4: actually love racing and love the sport and love cars.
Speaker 4: Maybe not, but certainly some of them are now introduced
Speaker 4: to the sport. And I would say especially driving for
Speaker 4: Aeron McLaren in the past two years, so the McLaren
Speaker 4: F one side in IndyCar, the amount of people that
Speaker 4: came to IndyCar races because they were introduced to drive
Speaker 4: to survive in Formula one was like exponential. Like I
Speaker 4: would say sixty percent of the young fans that came
Speaker 4: to us wearing papaya or whatever were introduced to us
Speaker 4: via Formula one. And so in a lot of respects,
Speaker 4: even though it's our biggest competition in terms of US
Speaker 4: competing against them in the US market to get eyeballs
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, it's also a completely different championship,
Speaker 4: Like we appeal to a different demographic and I think
Speaker 4: now demographics, I think Formula one is marketed as a
Speaker 4: more elite event. It's it is harder to get access,
Speaker 4: the ticket prices are much higher, the venues are more
Speaker 4: global when you think even if you look at US
Speaker 4: cities like their destination cities Las Vegas, Miami, maybe not Austin,
Speaker 4: but from a tech side, it is whereas IndyCar, you know,
Speaker 4: we go to right IndyCar, we go to like outside
Speaker 4: of Des Moines, Iowa, and outside of Columbus, Ohio, just
Speaker 4: to give some examples, like yes, we go to Long Beach,
Speaker 4: we go to Tampa, we go to Toronto. But like
Speaker 4: a lot of our races are kind of in the Midwest,
Speaker 4: and so what we have to offer that maybe we
Speaker 4: don't have a from a beautification standpoint is you have
Speaker 4: the access to the drivers, to the teams, to the
Speaker 4: cars at a much more cost effective price. And ultimately
Speaker 4: it's a different experience. You know, IndyCar really markets to
Speaker 4: bring your family out come camping experience, a three day event.
Speaker 4: Formula one is if you have the means or your
Speaker 4: company bought a suite like come do this and rub
Speaker 4: shoulders with celebrities and that sort of thing. So it's
Speaker 4: to each their own right. So there's pros and cons
Speaker 4: to both, But I think what we've seen is IndyCar
Speaker 4: to kind of sum up your original question is we've
Speaker 4: definitely seen a benefit of Formula one's rise popularity, and
Speaker 4: for me, it's given me a little bit of faith
Speaker 4: that this next generation of people are going to become
Speaker 4: car people and do like cars. And do like seeing
Speaker 4: things go fast, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good question or point, and you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of brings up the question to me you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe some of these people coming to races
Speaker 1: really aren't car people are into cars, are really actually
Speaker 1: into racing at all. And I wonder if that's even
Speaker 1: a bad thing, Like is it even that people are
Speaker 1: going to be in Vegas mostly to be seen, to
Speaker 1: see and be seen, and like, honestly the race feels
Speaker 1: like an afterthought for you know, half the people here.
Speaker 3: Is that wrong?
Speaker 4: I don't think so at all. I mean, that's why,
Speaker 4: that's why Indy Car. You know, quite a few of
Speaker 4: our events we have big concerts with big music lineup
Speaker 4: because we're trying. If you let's say, you know, you
Speaker 4: have attendance of one hundred thousand people right in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty twenty four, and you bring post Malone
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five and forty thousand people come for
Speaker 4: post Malone, If twenty percent of those people come back
Speaker 4: for the race, and they're like, oh my god, that
Speaker 4: was actually pretty cool. Like I came for the concert
Speaker 4: to stay for the race. I like the race. That
Speaker 4: that was a success, right. It's why for the Indie
Speaker 4: it's fine. For the Indy five hundred, we have one
Speaker 4: of the largest EDM festivals inside of Turn three during
Speaker 4: the race at the ND five hundred, those seventy thousand
Speaker 4: people that are there are there for one thing and
Speaker 4: one thing only. But if at one point when they
Speaker 4: reach their late twenties, early thirties or whatever, and they're
Speaker 4: not going to go to an DM festival anymore and
Speaker 4: they want to bring their significant other, their kids or whatever,
Speaker 4: They're going to be like, hey, I came to this
Speaker 4: as a kid or a young adult, I'm now going
Speaker 4: to bring my family back to the five hundred. And
Speaker 4: then the cycle repeats is their kid gets older and everything.
Speaker 4: So that's what those things are trying to accomplish. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. I mean, do you you've been
Speaker 1: on both sides, do you think that, like internally, the
Speaker 1: business culture and Indie needs to be the same as
Speaker 1: internally what the business culture at F one is today.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's discussions about Indie needs to
Speaker 1: modernize whatever that means.
Speaker 3: What's your take having seen.
Speaker 4: Both I don't know that the business culture needs to change,
Speaker 4: and I don't know that it will. From a standpoint
Speaker 4: of if you look at the budgets of an Indiecar
Speaker 4: team versus an F one team, an F one team
Speaker 4: is ten x even with the salary caps and or
Speaker 4: the budget caps that exist. And so when you have
Speaker 4: that large of a spend and you have manufacturers involved,
Speaker 4: there's always going to be this motivation that comes from
Speaker 4: the team principles and the series and everything to keep
Speaker 4: boards happy. Right, Ultimately, IndyCar doesn't really have board members
Speaker 4: that they need to appease, and they don't have end
Speaker 4: of your budget reviews. They need to hit like a lot.
Speaker 4: The majority of the team owners in IndyCar were previous racers, right.
Speaker 4: They are doing this because they're passionate about the sport.
Speaker 4: They love the sport. If they can make money doing
Speaker 4: it cool. They're not doing it to make money. They've
Speaker 4: all they've already made their money and other ways of life, right. So,
Speaker 4: I think where Indiycar really needs to improve is not
Speaker 4: really so much on you know, the overall way that
Speaker 4: the sport works from the business side, but from a
Speaker 4: marketing perspective, you know, we really fall short of everything
Speaker 4: outside of the Indy five hundred, and that's understandable. You know,
Speaker 4: the Indy five hundred is the largest motorsport race on Earth.
Speaker 4: It's what ultimately keeps our series alive. The problem is
Speaker 4: when you mentioned IndyCar to someone, even if they know
Speaker 4: what it is, they don't know that we have sixteen
Speaker 4: other races, right, and so that that is where our
Speaker 4: biggest downfall is because people think the Indy five hundred.
Speaker 4: They know it's Memorial Day, it's got date equity, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of tradition that goes into that, but then
Speaker 4: they have no idea what we do before after that.
Speaker 4: And I think that's where we really need to work
Speaker 4: on growing our fan base in our audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you your path started with karting. Does America have
Speaker 1: a clear path for young kids toward Indie. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it does even more than Formula one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to get to have one from the States is
Speaker 4: virtually impossible. I mean, that's why that's why I moved
Speaker 4: over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Logan Sergeant, who is the most recent guy. You know,
Speaker 4: he was over there for almost the better part of
Speaker 4: a decade to get to Formula one, you have to
Speaker 4: kind of embrace and immerse yourself into the European culture.
Speaker 4: It's just the way that Americans are viewed over there
Speaker 4: and ultimately as a European support right, So you can't
Speaker 4: you can't commute from the States and think you're going
Speaker 4: to be as effective as someone that lives there. Indy
Speaker 4: Card does a very good job of having what's called
Speaker 4: the Road to Indy and it's ultimately a scholarship based
Speaker 4: ladder system that kind of gets kids into their first
Speaker 4: car championship out of go karts, and the winner of that,
Speaker 4: you know, gets a scholarship to go to the next level,
Speaker 4: and then the next level, and then eventually if they
Speaker 4: win what's called Indie Next, which is like the college football,
Speaker 4: then the college football, the SEC to the NFL, they
Speaker 4: get I think it's one and a half million dollars
Speaker 4: to take to a team to go IndyCar racing. So
Speaker 4: an Indiecar team has a lot of incentive for that
Speaker 4: because a they're getting a talent of the future, but
Speaker 4: also they're getting some financial help to come with it.
Speaker 4: So IndyCar does a really good job of that. The
Speaker 4: problem is that you know, there's more than one good
Speaker 4: guy every single year, right, and so it creates, just
Speaker 4: like an all professional sports, there's this really big funnel
Speaker 4: effect that starts to happen towards the top, and it's
Speaker 4: hard to break through. But that's just that's the name
Speaker 4: of the game. If you look at if you look
Speaker 4: at professional racing drivers including IMSA World Internet Championship, Formula One,
Speaker 4: NASCAR IndyCar, there's maybe two hundred, right, whereas if you
Speaker 4: look at how many players are in the NFL, it's
Speaker 4: three thousand. So it's a very big difference.
Speaker 1: Now, would would a similar sort of feeder school system?
Speaker 1: Could that ever exist in the US for Formula one
Speaker 1: in your opinion similar to what you just described for Indy.
Speaker 4: No, because they would never they, being the European teams
Speaker 4: and owners and scouts and whatever, would never give the
Speaker 4: credit to you beating other Americans on American tracks. It
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they let's say we take Formula two cars,
Speaker 4: it's the same machinery, put it in America, do a
Speaker 4: sixteen race calendar against other Americans. They'd be like, cool,
Speaker 4: who have you beaten over here? One don't care. So
Speaker 4: that's why it's very hard to transition.
Speaker 1: To me, sounds off extremely elite and elitist, but also
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. That's where the series originated.
Speaker 1: I understand that mentality, of course. I think a question
Speaker 1: that we often think about is how important is it
Speaker 1: for an American driver to break into and really see
Speaker 1: some podium time in Formula one, like for the sport
Speaker 1: to excel in the US. Is that a false bottomy
Speaker 1: to you?
Speaker 4: I don't think it is, because for the longest time
Speaker 4: I was a firm believer of the fact that if
Speaker 4: there was an American representation, regardless of the results, that
Speaker 4: because the number one nation that all of these manufacturers
Speaker 4: sell cars in minus Alpine is the United States. Right,
Speaker 4: in my mind, that would be a huge marketing opportunity
Speaker 4: for all of those man manufacturers to have an American
Speaker 4: driver in the United States. And so yes, there needs
Speaker 4: to be an American that's only in it, but an
Speaker 4: American that's very successful as well.
Speaker 1: Tell me what makes a good driver, and are good
Speaker 1: drivers born or created?
Speaker 3: And what's the balance? I know it's probably a little bit,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both. Right, you
Speaker 4: have to have some innate level of skill, but also
Speaker 4: you have to continue developing it and you know, getting
Speaker 4: better because you're never You're never going to be perfect, right,
Speaker 4: and there's always people that are younger, faster, more committed.
Speaker 4: I don't know how you want to, but there's always
Speaker 4: someone chasing you, right. So I think in order to
Speaker 4: be successful in motorsports specifically, you have to be very
Speaker 4: type A personality oriented because ultimately and find a lot
Speaker 4: of competitiveness within yourself because you lose so much more
Speaker 4: and you win. You know, if you look at a
Speaker 4: sports team and you think of them having a five
Speaker 4: hundred season, you're like, oh, it's pretty average, right, You're
Speaker 4: not going to find any race car driver outside of
Speaker 4: some specific instances. In Formula One, we're winning half the
Speaker 4: races you're doing, so you have to be kind of
Speaker 4: motivated by losses, and you know, perfection doesn't exist in racing.
Speaker 4: You can always even if you win a race, even
Speaker 4: if you're on pole, you can look back at the
Speaker 4: weekend and be like, there was these laps and these
Speaker 4: corners that weren't ever quite right, And it's because you're
Speaker 4: you're kind of blending human and machine and to find
Speaker 4: that perfect balance is never going to be there. So
Speaker 4: I think to win in racing and to be good
Speaker 4: at it, you just have to have it consume you,
Speaker 4: and you have to be okay with losing the lot
Speaker 4: and just trying to chase perfection that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: What do you think the key to your success and
Speaker 1: your longevity has been, I mean, for you specifically, what's
Speaker 1: your magic that you have?
Speaker 4: Well? I don't know. I mean, I it was fortunate
Speaker 4: to get the my career going because I had huge
Speaker 4: parental support. I was an only child and so my
Speaker 4: parents were able to really put everything behind kind of
Speaker 4: my dreams and passions that I had as a kid.
Speaker 4: So that really gave me kind of the runway and
Speaker 4: the launchpad to do what I wanted. And then beyond that,
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it's it's results based. So I've been
Speaker 4: quick enough for this period of time to have a job.
Speaker 4: But then also if you look at if you look
Speaker 4: at being a race car driver as a three well,
Speaker 4: if you look at a years, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: five days, you're you're in the race car maybe fifty
Speaker 4: days a year, and so the other time is what
Speaker 4: you're actually paid to do, you know. Scott Dixon IndyCar
Speaker 4: Champion has told me this when I kind of first
Speaker 4: started an IndyCar, and it sums it up perfectly. He's like,
Speaker 4: Chip pays me to do all of the stuff outside
Speaker 4: the car, and I drive the car for free. And
Speaker 4: so all of the partner commitments, the media obligations, the
Speaker 4: marketing opportunities, the travel for sponsors and events and meet
Speaker 4: and griefs and that sort of thing, like that's as
Speaker 4: much of the job as it is to get in
Speaker 4: the race car on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday and
Speaker 4: go beat the guy next to you. So I think
Speaker 4: that you've got to have kind of the whole package
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways from a marketability standpoint, because ultimately,
Speaker 4: these sponsors that are writing these checks for you to
Speaker 4: go drive race cars need to have some way to
Speaker 4: kind of get some benefit out of it, whether that's
Speaker 4: purely an ROI from eyeballs on TV, or it's B
Speaker 4: to B opportunities, or it's using you for customer experiences,
Speaker 4: employee appreciation stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the elder Statesman it'll I mean,
Speaker 1: ye okay, I was gonna say, you're I mean, it's
Speaker 1: like that's so young still.
Speaker 3: But really, I mean, right, and you've been around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you look, I was lucky to
Speaker 4: start it, I mean professionally at seventeen, right, So it
Speaker 4: has been a while. But ultimately the runway of all
Speaker 4: athletes is short, you know, in your career lifespan, I
Speaker 4: would say racing is actually probably one of the longest
Speaker 4: ones because you start at eighteen nineteen and in a
Speaker 4: lot of respects, you can go to forty three, forty four,
Speaker 4: forty five. So yes, as much level, that's true, right,
Speaker 4: but much more it's much more common than racing. So
Speaker 4: I think that while I'm kind of in this interesting
Speaker 4: phase where like I have a lot to bring to
Speaker 4: a team with a lot of experience in the sense
Speaker 4: that I've been doing this for a long time, but also,
Speaker 4: like you mentioned in the beginning of this, you know,
Speaker 4: signing with ECR and they have new ownership group coming
Speaker 4: in and they're kind of changing who they are as
Speaker 4: a team and their identity. There's a lot of opportunity
Speaker 4: there that I see way beyond kind of three four
Speaker 4: or five years that I want to be a part
Speaker 4: of because they're going to grow into a team that
Speaker 4: now can compete with the Penske's and the Nasties and
Speaker 4: Andretties of the world. So yes, it's I'm on the
Speaker 4: back side of it, but like I still view myself
Speaker 4: as having you know, solid ten years left. So that's
Speaker 4: that's the plan.
Speaker 3: I was going to.
Speaker 1: Say, surely you're planning you can do this past forty
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But then it's like, do you really want to do
Speaker 4: it past forty Like probably not. I mean, is your
Speaker 4: body on the old body?
Speaker 1: Does your body feel different than it did when you
Speaker 1: were twenty three? Like, can you physically tell my body
Speaker 1: is different?
Speaker 4: No? Not not. In the car, I think from the
Speaker 4: training aspect of it, you know, there's a lot more
Speaker 4: that I have to do and think about from like
Speaker 4: injury prevention, and there's a lot more mobility and flexibility
Speaker 4: work that comes into it because you know, driving a
Speaker 4: race car, there's a huge demand on kind of the
Speaker 4: strength side of it, especially Indy car because there's no
Speaker 4: power steering. You know, the g loads are very high.
Speaker 4: We race in summer months, so you can lose five
Speaker 4: six pounds in a race. You know, the cardio aspect
Speaker 4: of it's important, But really from the strength side, I've
Speaker 4: had to really, you know, adjust the training program a
Speaker 4: little bit to be able to keep the same level
Speaker 4: of intensity. So like my life now, I do plates
Speaker 4: and I do things that I never would do. I
Speaker 4: saw people doing and would make fun of them. I'm like,
Speaker 4: why are you doing that? That's a waste of time.
Speaker 4: Now I'm that guy. I do a lot more massage work,
Speaker 4: like I do chiropractive work, So it's a lot more
Speaker 4: stuff just to keep training at that level. But other
Speaker 4: than that, if I do all those things in the
Speaker 4: car notes, it's the same as when I was twenty one.
Speaker 1: Now, are you one of these drivers that does really
Speaker 1: weird like not weird, but sort of fringy things like
Speaker 1: where when Cryo used to be like, you know, really
Speaker 1: obscure weird were you doing in Cryo? Do you have
Speaker 1: like something super obscure that you actually believe helps you
Speaker 1: physically or.
Speaker 4: You know, sture to think? So okay, No, there's no weird.
Speaker 1: Life hack that you can share with us that you
Speaker 1: secretly do.
Speaker 4: No, like I do the normal things, like you watch
Speaker 4: what you eat, but like you still enjoy what you eat. No,
Speaker 4: I haven't really Like I did the cryout thing for
Speaker 4: a little bit, and there was a waste of time.
Speaker 3: That's good because I have I've not done it. I
Speaker 3: don't really want to, so good to the next.
Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit just about the Vegas race,
Speaker 1: just your did you did you go to the race
Speaker 1: last year?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did, okay, So just you know, final thoughts on
Speaker 1: Vegas in terms of like how this race can grow
Speaker 1: and doesn't need to And you know, as a driver,
Speaker 1: what did the driver say about the track? You know,
Speaker 1: give us some insider perspective.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, first of all, I think everyone loved the track.
Speaker 4: I actually got to do hot laps for McLaren so
Speaker 4: I got to drive it a little bit, Like it's
Speaker 4: amazing track that the setting is obviously second to none.
Speaker 4: You know, the strip at night is is phenomenal. I
Speaker 4: thought the event was perfect from an execution standpoint. I
Speaker 4: thought the experience, like I spent quite a bit of
Speaker 4: time like outside the paddock and grand stands and the
Speaker 4: fan zone and kind of walking around. I think the
Speaker 4: experience was so good because admittedly they were expecting a
Speaker 4: lot more people to come last year, so in terms
Speaker 4: of the staffing that existed, it was a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of staff for not many people. To each
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. So from from the flow of the event,
Speaker 4: I thought it was amazing. The time is terrible, Like
Speaker 4: I'm really surprised, especially.
Speaker 3: With or TV watchers.
Speaker 4: Or above unless you're in Europe, it's terrible. Like the
Speaker 4: schedule and when they're doing these entrack sessions is horrible.
Speaker 4: So I'm really surprised because there was a lot of
Speaker 4: complaints from the teams drivers and then also the city
Speaker 4: about you know, the city is impacted because that's the
Speaker 4: prime time when people are going to dinner and they're
Speaker 4: going to go to the casino. Right If they come
Speaker 4: from the racetrack and they're done at ten thirty eleven o'clock,
Speaker 4: they're they're not spending money at the dinner. At dinner,
Speaker 4: they might go to the casino, probably not, They're going
Speaker 4: to go to bed, and then when they wake up
Speaker 4: at nine am, what are they going to do? Not
Speaker 4: do any of the things you want people to do
Speaker 4: in Vegas, right, So it was kind of surreal from
Speaker 4: that standpoint, and that just goes back to kind of
Speaker 4: our conversation fifteen minutes ago. Formula one is European centric.
Speaker 4: They don't really care about the American experience. As much
Speaker 4: as they care about their fan base in Europe being
Speaker 4: able to watch it at their normal time. So I
Speaker 4: do think that that'll shift at some point, and I
Speaker 4: would say that's the biggest thing that needs to change
Speaker 4: just to get more people interested in going, because for me,
Speaker 4: like it is the perfect Vegas weekend. If you go
Speaker 4: for a couple of days with your buddies, you watch
Speaker 4: a race at two pm on Sunday, right, you are
Speaker 4: done by five. You're watching NFL games, right, you can
Speaker 4: watch Sunday night football, go to dinner, go to casino,
Speaker 4: have a night. Right as it is now, you're kind
Speaker 4: of just hanging around all day. A lot of people
Speaker 4: that I heard of that were there as guests of
Speaker 4: some companies, like had too many extra cluicker activities leading
Speaker 4: up to the race, didn't even go to the race,
Speaker 4: and it's like it's missing the mark a little bit
Speaker 4: from that standpoint.
Speaker 1: So that was Alex Rossie, and he's so interesting to
Speaker 1: talk to, you know, at this point. I remember talking
Speaker 1: to him ten years ago, and he really has developed
Speaker 1: as a thinker. And like you said, An, he's not
Speaker 1: the elder statesman yet of IndyCar He's only thirty three.
Speaker 1: But he's been doing this for so long. I just
Speaker 1: love getting his perspective on the world of racing because
Speaker 1: he shoots it straight.
Speaker 2: Very cool. All right, what else have you got coming up?
Speaker 2: What are you doing after this?
Speaker 1: So Vegas until Sunday, the Grand Prixs on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: and and you know, next week's Thanksgiving and we are
Speaker 1: not going anywhere. We are staying put. I might, you know,
Speaker 1: get Chinese, some Chinese food.
Speaker 4: Sweet?
Speaker 3: What about you?
Speaker 2: It's the first time so I'm not going home for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: And hopefully my mom doesn't listen to this podcast because
Speaker 2: she's very unhappy about it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, but I'm happy.
Speaker 2: I'm happy because no, no, because we just I've I've
Speaker 2: traveled a lot, I've gone home. It's expensive when you have,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're paying for not one or
Speaker 2: two plane tickets, but four. And also I bought my
Speaker 2: house with my family to live in it. Like I'm
Speaker 2: going to set up a fire, I'm going to put
Speaker 2: the turkey in the oven. I'm going to do the
Speaker 2: whole deal.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So, I'm a big believer in establishing your own traditions
Speaker 1: as an adult, and I understand I'm sorry, my mom
Speaker 1: does listen to this. You know, I certainly understand that
Speaker 1: you never want to hurt your family, but some things
Speaker 1: you do might hurt their feelings, but that at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you're the adult. You've got your
Speaker 1: own family. It doesn't mean you don't love them. And
Speaker 1: maybe you'll see him next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I definitely will. And I'm glad your mom
Speaker 2: listens to this podcast.
Speaker 5: I'm too, Hi.
Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, Well, it's been a pleasure. I hope
Speaker 2: you have a fantastic week. I am gonna be thankful
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Speaker 2: It's really at the top of my list. So and
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