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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott and this is

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Speaker 1: Hot for Suit.

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Speaker 2: All right, you were in Las Vegas for Formula one.

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Speaker 1: For the Grand Prix. It's the year two of the

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas Grand Prix and it's quite cold, so if

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Speaker 1: you're coming, bring your coats.

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Speaker 3: And your hats and your gloves. But as as.

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Speaker 2: Such, we have a special interview with an actual race

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Speaker 2: car driver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have Alexander Rossi, who is phenomenal. He of

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Speaker 1: course has driven nine seasons in Indy Car. He won

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Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred in twenty sixteen. He had five

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Speaker 1: starts in F one and was the first.

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Speaker 3: I think he was the.

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Speaker 1: Youngest guy to win the Indy five hundred since nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. I mean, he's so, he's very accomplished. He's

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Speaker 1: also got a podcast about racing that's pretty good, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's fascinating. So I get the real scoop from him

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Speaker 1: on the insider level of F one, Vegas and racing and.

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Speaker 4: All of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say his podcast is phenomenal. As a

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Speaker 2: guy who listens to podcasts all the time, I can

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Speaker 2: say that. Also, I want to point out you did

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Speaker 2: that yourself because I was, I'm like working double duty

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Speaker 3: He has two jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, I'm looking forward to that. But before

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Speaker 2: we get to that, we have to talk about the

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Speaker 2: most ridiculous thing that I have ever seen in my

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 5: I can't think.

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Speaker 2: I've been racking my brain to think of any bigger

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Speaker 2: marketing fiasco, and I can't. Jaguar has like what, I

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Speaker 2: don't even understand what it is. Jaguar has ended current

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Speaker 2: production of their vehicles and they're now rebranding, or at

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Speaker 2: least they're rebranding the company, and it's so.

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Speaker 5: Wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, okay, we know that we knew that Jaguar

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Speaker 1: had said in twenty twenty one they're only going to

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Speaker 1: on the nineteenth, earlier this week, they announced what is

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Speaker 1: this launch of them as a completely new brand and

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Speaker 1: company into the future. I'm stutterings it was so far

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Speaker 1: or represented to people in all of the past years

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Speaker 1: of itsy. I'm sure by now all of our readers

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Speaker 1: have seen this. They deleted everything on their Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: They've put up two new posts, well now three.

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Speaker 2: I just there's a third one. Now I've just heard that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a video that basically looks like a Kohle's ad

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Speaker 2: Maybe it has nothing to do with cars. It was

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Speaker 1: You know, it's getting a lot of blowback for being woke,

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Speaker 3: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: You should if you're listening and you haven't, please go

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Speaker 1: watch it and comment along with the twenty six thousand

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Speaker 1: other people who have commented on it. Then the next

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Speaker 1: picture they put up on Instagram was like a rear

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Speaker 5: Could be a printer.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking maybe a printer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, it certainly seems like this is a

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Speaker 1: case of when marketing is so far off of reality

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Speaker 1: Now there are some who have suggested, hey, Jaguar wasn't

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Speaker 1: But you know, I would just say it takes The

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Speaker 1: You either have it or you don't. So I do

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Speaker 2: then keep in mind that they very likely paid someone

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Speaker 5: You just won't believe it.

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Speaker 1: How bad what they paid.

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Speaker 2: I will say in the third post, they've got what

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Speaker 5: And they do have the leaper.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I can say is you have to

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, if they're if the full goal of

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Speaker 1: they've really hit it out of the park because this

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Speaker 3: People are writing about it.

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Speaker 1: I actually knew the rebrand was coming, but chose not

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Speaker 1: But this is just beyond surprising, you know. It To me,

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Speaker 3: They really are betting it all.

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of breathtaking, but I don't know if

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Speaker 2: The other thing I want to talk about is you

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Speaker 2: Panamer or a new hybrid version, and I wonder, first

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Speaker 1: This is I had forgotten how great a car it is.

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Speaker 3: Some people might call it purple.

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Speaker 1: And I am not nobody, nobody paying one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: It took two full work days and I'm working double

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Speaker 1: This is the this is the struggle. And I'm in

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Speaker 2: I think because this one is the Denali and it's

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Speaker 1: Alex, I'm just going to start this by reading a

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Speaker 3: I need you to tell.

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Speaker 1: Me if I get anything wrong, But you know, we're

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Speaker 1: When you were seventeen, you moved to Europe to pursue

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Speaker 1: More recently, you it's been announced that you will be

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Speaker 1: driving with Christian Rasmussen, and you also host co host

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Speaker 1: a great podcast on Sirius XM called Off Track with

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Speaker 1: Hinch and ROSSI that's with your bff, James Hinchcliff. I

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Speaker 3: But did you get ordained to do this job?

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Speaker 4: I did, Like the the Internet.

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Speaker 4: I paid twenty nine dollars. Yeah, filled out like four questions.

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Speaker 1: Fine, that's fine, Fine, I mean I just I just

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Speaker 1: I kind of just am curious to hear your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on where racing is in America right now, just in

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Speaker 1: the cultural landscape, and you know, is F one racing

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Speaker 1: different from NASCAR, from Indy or is racing racing in

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Speaker 1: the US, And you know, we're all this is all

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Speaker 1: one thing that we're in together, and it's different than

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Speaker 1: it was twenty years ago. What's your sense?

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Speaker 4: So that's a very good question and one I think

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Speaker 4: everyone in the space is trying to figure out. So

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Speaker 4: if you had asked me that question, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: nine years ago, eight years ago, when I was, when

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Speaker 4: I was an American trying to get into F one

450
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Speaker 4: and was on the cusp of it for quite a

451
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Speaker 4: few years and trying to get all the stars aligned

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Speaker 4: to make that happen, you know, I would have been

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Speaker 4: one that said, you know, car culture is changing kids

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Speaker 4: these days at that time, you know, in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 4: that's not kids today today. But from that kind of

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Speaker 4: point all the way till present day. You know, you

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Speaker 4: talk to a lot of these kids and it's like

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Speaker 4: they're not as interested in getting their driver's license right

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Speaker 4: at sixteen as I was and my friends were. There's

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Speaker 4: been a lot of transportation evolutions in the sense that

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Speaker 4: they don't necessarily have to have their license to get

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Speaker 4: from point A to point B. And you know, certainly

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Speaker 4: the environmental impact and the ideology of what cars do

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Speaker 4: to the environment that has changed amongst younger kids. So

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Speaker 4: I would have said that, yeah, the car culture is

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Speaker 4: kind of twenty eight years old enough, and ultimately it's

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Speaker 4: just getting older and it's not the new blood and

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Speaker 4: interest into cars isn't really there. I think if you

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Speaker 4: fast forward to present day and you look at motorsports specifically,

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Speaker 4: I think what Formula One was able to do that

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Speaker 4: not a lot of other series have done through the

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Speaker 4: aid of Drive to Survive and Netflix, is they created

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Speaker 4: some form of kind of sex appeal and relatability to motorsports.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's very easy to watch, you know, We're

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Speaker 4: in football season right now. It's very easy to watch

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Speaker 4: a football game and watch what Joe Burrow does and

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Speaker 4: realize that's very, very challenging. You can go pick up

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Speaker 4: a football and be like, I couldn't do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can't watch a race, whether it's NASCAR, IndyCar, Apple

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Speaker 4: One or whatever and get into that car and realize

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Speaker 4: what the people that you're watching or doing is very challenging.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's these people it's like, oh, I have

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Speaker 4: a Corvette and I've driven one hundred and seventy miles

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Speaker 4: an hour before, and I do all these things and

485
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Speaker 4: it's like, how hard can it be? And that's that's

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Speaker 4: an understandable reaction, because how on earth are they supposed

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Speaker 4: to know? But I think what what Drive to Survive did,

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Speaker 4: especially in the US market, is it created this interest

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Speaker 4: around the sport and the interests in the human element

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Speaker 4: of it, the politics of it, the business side of racing,

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Speaker 4: which us as race car drivers hate, but ultimately it's

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Speaker 4: it is it is a business, and so I think

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Speaker 4: that really generated this kind of pop culture opinion of

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Speaker 4: what Formula one is. Now are these fans fans that

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Speaker 4: actually love racing and love the sport and love cars.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not, but certainly some of them are now introduced

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Speaker 4: to the sport. And I would say especially driving for

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Speaker 4: Aeron McLaren in the past two years, so the McLaren

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Speaker 4: F one side in IndyCar, the amount of people that

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Speaker 4: came to IndyCar races because they were introduced to drive

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Speaker 4: to survive in Formula one was like exponential. Like I

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Speaker 4: would say sixty percent of the young fans that came

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Speaker 4: to us wearing papaya or whatever were introduced to us

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Speaker 4: via Formula one. And so in a lot of respects,

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Speaker 4: even though it's our biggest competition in terms of US

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Speaker 4: competing against them in the US market to get eyeballs

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Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, it's also a completely different championship,

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Speaker 4: Like we appeal to a different demographic and I think

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Speaker 4: now demographics, I think Formula one is marketed as a

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Speaker 4: more elite event. It's it is harder to get access,

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Speaker 4: the ticket prices are much higher, the venues are more

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Speaker 4: global when you think even if you look at US

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Speaker 4: cities like their destination cities Las Vegas, Miami, maybe not Austin,

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Speaker 4: but from a tech side, it is whereas IndyCar, you know,

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Speaker 4: we go to right IndyCar, we go to like outside

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Speaker 4: of Des Moines, Iowa, and outside of Columbus, Ohio, just

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Speaker 4: to give some examples, like yes, we go to Long Beach,

518
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Speaker 4: we go to Tampa, we go to Toronto. But like

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Speaker 4: a lot of our races are kind of in the Midwest,

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Speaker 4: and so what we have to offer that maybe we

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Speaker 4: don't have a from a beautification standpoint is you have

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Speaker 4: the access to the drivers, to the teams, to the

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Speaker 4: cars at a much more cost effective price. And ultimately

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Speaker 4: it's a different experience. You know, IndyCar really markets to

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Speaker 4: bring your family out come camping experience, a three day event.

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Speaker 4: Formula one is if you have the means or your

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Speaker 4: company bought a suite like come do this and rub

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Speaker 4: shoulders with celebrities and that sort of thing. So it's

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Speaker 4: to each their own right. So there's pros and cons

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Speaker 4: to both, But I think what we've seen is IndyCar

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Speaker 4: to kind of sum up your original question is we've

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Speaker 4: definitely seen a benefit of Formula one's rise popularity, and

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Speaker 4: for me, it's given me a little bit of faith

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Speaker 4: that this next generation of people are going to become

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Speaker 4: car people and do like cars. And do like seeing

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Speaker 4: things go fast, which is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good question or point, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it kind of brings up the question to me you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe some of these people coming to races

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Speaker 1: really aren't car people are into cars, are really actually

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Speaker 1: into racing at all. And I wonder if that's even

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Speaker 1: a bad thing, Like is it even that people are

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Speaker 1: going to be in Vegas mostly to be seen, to

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Speaker 1: see and be seen, and like, honestly the race feels

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Speaker 1: like an afterthought for you know, half the people here.

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Speaker 3: Is that wrong?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so at all. I mean, that's why,

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Speaker 4: that's why Indy Car. You know, quite a few of

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Speaker 4: our events we have big concerts with big music lineup

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Speaker 4: because we're trying. If you let's say, you know, you

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Speaker 4: have attendance of one hundred thousand people right in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty twenty four, and you bring post Malone

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five and forty thousand people come for

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Speaker 4: post Malone, If twenty percent of those people come back

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Speaker 4: for the race, and they're like, oh my god, that

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Speaker 4: was actually pretty cool. Like I came for the concert

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Speaker 4: to stay for the race. I like the race. That

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Speaker 4: that was a success, right. It's why for the Indie

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Speaker 4: it's fine. For the Indy five hundred, we have one

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Speaker 4: of the largest EDM festivals inside of Turn three during

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Speaker 4: the race at the ND five hundred, those seventy thousand

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Speaker 4: people that are there are there for one thing and

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Speaker 4: one thing only. But if at one point when they

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Speaker 4: reach their late twenties, early thirties or whatever, and they're

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Speaker 4: not going to go to an DM festival anymore and

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Speaker 4: they want to bring their significant other, their kids or whatever,

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Speaker 4: They're going to be like, hey, I came to this

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Speaker 4: as a kid or a young adult, I'm now going

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Speaker 4: to bring my family back to the five hundred. And

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Speaker 4: then the cycle repeats is their kid gets older and everything.

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Speaker 4: So that's what those things are trying to accomplish. You know,

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. I mean, do you you've been

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Speaker 1: on both sides, do you think that, like internally, the

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Speaker 1: business culture and Indie needs to be the same as

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Speaker 1: internally what the business culture at F one is today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's discussions about Indie needs to

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Speaker 1: modernize whatever that means.

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Speaker 3: What's your take having seen.

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Speaker 4: Both I don't know that the business culture needs to change,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know that it will. From a standpoint

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Speaker 4: of if you look at the budgets of an Indiecar

583
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Speaker 4: team versus an F one team, an F one team

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Speaker 4: is ten x even with the salary caps and or

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Speaker 4: the budget caps that exist. And so when you have

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Speaker 4: that large of a spend and you have manufacturers involved,

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Speaker 4: there's always going to be this motivation that comes from

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Speaker 4: the team principles and the series and everything to keep

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Speaker 4: boards happy. Right, Ultimately, IndyCar doesn't really have board members

590
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Speaker 4: that they need to appease, and they don't have end

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Speaker 4: of your budget reviews. They need to hit like a lot.

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Speaker 4: The majority of the team owners in IndyCar were previous racers, right.

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Speaker 4: They are doing this because they're passionate about the sport.

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Speaker 4: They love the sport. If they can make money doing

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Speaker 4: it cool. They're not doing it to make money. They've

596
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Speaker 4: all they've already made their money and other ways of life, right. So,

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Speaker 4: I think where Indiycar really needs to improve is not

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Speaker 4: really so much on you know, the overall way that

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Speaker 4: the sport works from the business side, but from a

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Speaker 4: marketing perspective, you know, we really fall short of everything

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Speaker 4: outside of the Indy five hundred, and that's understandable. You know,

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Speaker 4: the Indy five hundred is the largest motorsport race on Earth.

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Speaker 4: It's what ultimately keeps our series alive. The problem is

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Speaker 4: when you mentioned IndyCar to someone, even if they know

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Speaker 4: what it is, they don't know that we have sixteen

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Speaker 4: other races, right, and so that that is where our

607
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Speaker 4: biggest downfall is because people think the Indy five hundred.

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Speaker 4: They know it's Memorial Day, it's got date equity, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of tradition that goes into that, but then

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Speaker 4: they have no idea what we do before after that.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's where we really need to work

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Speaker 4: on growing our fan base in our audience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know you your path started with karting. Does America have

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Speaker 1: a clear path for young kids toward Indie. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess it does even more than Formula one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to get to have one from the States is

618
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Speaker 4: virtually impossible. I mean, that's why that's why I moved

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Speaker 4: over there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Logan Sergeant, who is the most recent guy. You know,

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Speaker 4: he was over there for almost the better part of

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Speaker 4: a decade to get to Formula one, you have to

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Speaker 4: kind of embrace and immerse yourself into the European culture.

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Speaker 4: It's just the way that Americans are viewed over there

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Speaker 4: and ultimately as a European support right, So you can't

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Speaker 4: you can't commute from the States and think you're going

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Speaker 4: to be as effective as someone that lives there. Indy

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Speaker 4: Card does a very good job of having what's called

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Speaker 4: the Road to Indy and it's ultimately a scholarship based

631
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Speaker 4: ladder system that kind of gets kids into their first

632
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Speaker 4: car championship out of go karts, and the winner of that,

633
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Speaker 4: you know, gets a scholarship to go to the next level,

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Speaker 4: and then the next level, and then eventually if they

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Speaker 4: win what's called Indie Next, which is like the college football,

636
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: then the college football, the SEC to the NFL, they

637
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 4: get I think it's one and a half million dollars

638
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: to take to a team to go IndyCar racing. So

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00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 4: an Indiecar team has a lot of incentive for that

640
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: because a they're getting a talent of the future, but

641
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: also they're getting some financial help to come with it.

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00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: So IndyCar does a really good job of that. The

643
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 4: problem is that you know, there's more than one good

644
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 4: guy every single year, right, and so it creates, just

645
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: like an all professional sports, there's this really big funnel

646
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 4: effect that starts to happen towards the top, and it's

647
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: hard to break through. But that's just that's the name

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Speaker 4: of the game. If you look at if you look

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Speaker 4: at professional racing drivers including IMSA World Internet Championship, Formula One,

650
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Speaker 4: NASCAR IndyCar, there's maybe two hundred, right, whereas if you

651
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Speaker 4: look at how many players are in the NFL, it's

652
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Speaker 4: three thousand. So it's a very big difference.

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Speaker 1: Now, would would a similar sort of feeder school system?

654
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Speaker 1: Could that ever exist in the US for Formula one

655
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: in your opinion similar to what you just described for Indy.

656
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: No, because they would never they, being the European teams

657
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: and owners and scouts and whatever, would never give the

658
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: credit to you beating other Americans on American tracks. It

659
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they let's say we take Formula two cars,

660
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 4: it's the same machinery, put it in America, do a

661
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: sixteen race calendar against other Americans. They'd be like, cool,

662
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: who have you beaten over here? One don't care. So

663
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 4: that's why it's very hard to transition.

664
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: To me, sounds off extremely elite and elitist, but also

665
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. That's where the series originated.

666
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: I understand that mentality, of course. I think a question

667
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: that we often think about is how important is it

668
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: for an American driver to break into and really see

669
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: some podium time in Formula one, like for the sport

670
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: to excel in the US. Is that a false bottomy

671
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: to you?

672
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 4: I don't think it is, because for the longest time

673
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 4: I was a firm believer of the fact that if

674
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: there was an American representation, regardless of the results, that

675
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: because the number one nation that all of these manufacturers

676
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 4: sell cars in minus Alpine is the United States. Right,

677
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: in my mind, that would be a huge marketing opportunity

678
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: for all of those man manufacturers to have an American

679
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 4: driver in the United States. And so yes, there needs

680
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: to be an American that's only in it, but an

681
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 4: American that's very successful as well.

682
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: Tell me what makes a good driver, and are good

683
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: drivers born or created?

684
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: And what's the balance? I know it's probably a little bit,

685
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: you know.

686
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit of both. Right, you

687
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 4: have to have some innate level of skill, but also

688
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: you have to continue developing it and you know, getting

689
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 4: better because you're never You're never going to be perfect, right,

690
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 4: and there's always people that are younger, faster, more committed.

691
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: I don't know how you want to, but there's always

692
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 4: someone chasing you, right. So I think in order to

693
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: be successful in motorsports specifically, you have to be very

694
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 4: type A personality oriented because ultimately and find a lot

695
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: of competitiveness within yourself because you lose so much more

696
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: and you win. You know, if you look at a

697
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: sports team and you think of them having a five

698
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: hundred season, you're like, oh, it's pretty average, right, You're

699
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: not going to find any race car driver outside of

700
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: some specific instances. In Formula One, we're winning half the

701
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: races you're doing, so you have to be kind of

702
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 4: motivated by losses, and you know, perfection doesn't exist in racing.

703
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 4: You can always even if you win a race, even

704
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 4: if you're on pole, you can look back at the

705
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 4: weekend and be like, there was these laps and these

706
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: corners that weren't ever quite right, And it's because you're

707
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: you're kind of blending human and machine and to find

708
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 4: that perfect balance is never going to be there. So

709
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 4: I think to win in racing and to be good

710
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 4: at it, you just have to have it consume you,

711
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: and you have to be okay with losing the lot

712
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: and just trying to chase perfection that doesn't exist.

713
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 1: What do you think the key to your success and

714
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: your longevity has been, I mean, for you specifically, what's

715
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: your magic that you have?

716
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 4: Well? I don't know. I mean, I it was fortunate

717
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 4: to get the my career going because I had huge

718
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: parental support. I was an only child and so my

719
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: parents were able to really put everything behind kind of

720
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 4: my dreams and passions that I had as a kid.

721
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: So that really gave me kind of the runway and

722
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 4: the launchpad to do what I wanted. And then beyond that,

723
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it's it's results based. So I've been

724
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: quick enough for this period of time to have a job.

725
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 4: But then also if you look at if you look

726
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 4: at being a race car driver as a three well,

727
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: if you look at a years, three hundred and sixty

728
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 4: five days, you're you're in the race car maybe fifty

729
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 4: days a year, and so the other time is what

730
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 4: you're actually paid to do, you know. Scott Dixon IndyCar

731
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: Champion has told me this when I kind of first

732
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: started an IndyCar, and it sums it up perfectly. He's like,

733
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: Chip pays me to do all of the stuff outside

734
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 4: the car, and I drive the car for free. And

735
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: so all of the partner commitments, the media obligations, the

736
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 4: marketing opportunities, the travel for sponsors and events and meet

737
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: and griefs and that sort of thing, like that's as

738
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: much of the job as it is to get in

739
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: the race car on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday and

740
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 4: go beat the guy next to you. So I think

741
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 4: that you've got to have kind of the whole package

742
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: in a lot of ways from a marketability standpoint, because ultimately,

743
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: these sponsors that are writing these checks for you to

744
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 4: go drive race cars need to have some way to

745
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: kind of get some benefit out of it, whether that's

746
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 4: purely an ROI from eyeballs on TV, or it's B

747
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: to B opportunities, or it's using you for customer experiences,

748
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: employee appreciation stuff like that.

749
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the elder Statesman it'll I mean,

750
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: ye okay, I was gonna say, you're I mean, it's

751
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: like that's so young still.

752
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: But really, I mean, right, and you've been around.

753
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you look, I was lucky to

754
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 4: start it, I mean professionally at seventeen, right, So it

755
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 4: has been a while. But ultimately the runway of all

756
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 4: athletes is short, you know, in your career lifespan, I

757
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: would say racing is actually probably one of the longest

758
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 4: ones because you start at eighteen nineteen and in a

759
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: lot of respects, you can go to forty three, forty four,

760
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: forty five. So yes, as much level, that's true, right,

761
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: but much more it's much more common than racing. So

762
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 4: I think that while I'm kind of in this interesting

763
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: phase where like I have a lot to bring to

764
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 4: a team with a lot of experience in the sense

765
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 4: that I've been doing this for a long time, but also,

766
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: like you mentioned in the beginning of this, you know,

767
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: signing with ECR and they have new ownership group coming

768
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 4: in and they're kind of changing who they are as

769
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: a team and their identity. There's a lot of opportunity

770
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 4: there that I see way beyond kind of three four

771
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: or five years that I want to be a part

772
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 4: of because they're going to grow into a team that

773
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: now can compete with the Penske's and the Nasties and

774
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: Andretties of the world. So yes, it's I'm on the

775
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: back side of it, but like I still view myself

776
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: as having you know, solid ten years left. So that's

777
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: that's the plan.

778
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: I was going to.

779
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: Say, surely you're planning you can do this past forty

780
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

781
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: But then it's like, do you really want to do

782
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 4: it past forty Like probably not. I mean, is your

783
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 4: body on the old body?

784
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: Does your body feel different than it did when you

785
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: were twenty three? Like, can you physically tell my body

786
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: is different?

787
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: No? Not not. In the car, I think from the

788
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: training aspect of it, you know, there's a lot more

789
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: that I have to do and think about from like

790
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: injury prevention, and there's a lot more mobility and flexibility

791
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: work that comes into it because you know, driving a

792
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 4: race car, there's a huge demand on kind of the

793
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: strength side of it, especially Indy car because there's no

794
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 4: power steering. You know, the g loads are very high.

795
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 4: We race in summer months, so you can lose five

796
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 4: six pounds in a race. You know, the cardio aspect

797
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 4: of it's important, But really from the strength side, I've

798
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: had to really, you know, adjust the training program a

799
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: little bit to be able to keep the same level

800
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 4: of intensity. So like my life now, I do plates

801
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: and I do things that I never would do. I

802
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 4: saw people doing and would make fun of them. I'm like,

803
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 4: why are you doing that? That's a waste of time.

804
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: Now I'm that guy. I do a lot more massage work,

805
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: like I do chiropractive work, So it's a lot more

806
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 4: stuff just to keep training at that level. But other

807
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: than that, if I do all those things in the

808
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 4: car notes, it's the same as when I was twenty one.

809
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: Now, are you one of these drivers that does really

810
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: weird like not weird, but sort of fringy things like

811
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: where when Cryo used to be like, you know, really

812
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: obscure weird were you doing in Cryo? Do you have

813
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: like something super obscure that you actually believe helps you

814
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: physically or.

815
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 4: You know, sture to think? So okay, No, there's no weird.

816
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: Life hack that you can share with us that you

817
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: secretly do.

818
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: No, like I do the normal things, like you watch

819
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: what you eat, but like you still enjoy what you eat. No,

820
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: I haven't really Like I did the cryout thing for

821
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: a little bit, and there was a waste of time.

822
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: That's good because I have I've not done it. I

823
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: don't really want to, so good to the next.

824
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit just about the Vegas race,

825
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: just your did you did you go to the race

826
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: last year?

827
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

828
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: I did, okay, So just you know, final thoughts on

829
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Vegas in terms of like how this race can grow

830
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: and doesn't need to And you know, as a driver,

831
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: what did the driver say about the track? You know,

832
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: give us some insider perspective.

833
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, first of all, I think everyone loved the track.

834
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: I actually got to do hot laps for McLaren so

835
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: I got to drive it a little bit, Like it's

836
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 4: amazing track that the setting is obviously second to none.

837
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: You know, the strip at night is is phenomenal. I

838
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: thought the event was perfect from an execution standpoint. I

839
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 4: thought the experience, like I spent quite a bit of

840
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 4: time like outside the paddock and grand stands and the

841
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: fan zone and kind of walking around. I think the

842
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: experience was so good because admittedly they were expecting a

843
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 4: lot more people to come last year, so in terms

844
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 4: of the staffing that existed, it was a lot of

845
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 4: a lot of staff for not many people. To each

846
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. So from from the flow of the event,

847
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 4: I thought it was amazing. The time is terrible, Like

848
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm really surprised, especially.

849
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: With or TV watchers.

850
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 4: Or above unless you're in Europe, it's terrible. Like the

851
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: schedule and when they're doing these entrack sessions is horrible.

852
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 4: So I'm really surprised because there was a lot of

853
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: complaints from the teams drivers and then also the city

854
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 4: about you know, the city is impacted because that's the

855
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: prime time when people are going to dinner and they're

856
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: going to go to the casino. Right If they come

857
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 4: from the racetrack and they're done at ten thirty eleven o'clock,

858
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 4: they're they're not spending money at the dinner. At dinner,

859
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: they might go to the casino, probably not, They're going

860
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: to go to bed, and then when they wake up

861
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 4: at nine am, what are they going to do? Not

862
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 4: do any of the things you want people to do

863
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 4: in Vegas, right, So it was kind of surreal from

864
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: that standpoint, and that just goes back to kind of

865
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: our conversation fifteen minutes ago. Formula one is European centric.

866
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 4: They don't really care about the American experience. As much

867
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 4: as they care about their fan base in Europe being

868
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: able to watch it at their normal time. So I

869
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 4: do think that that'll shift at some point, and I

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Speaker 4: would say that's the biggest thing that needs to change

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Speaker 4: just to get more people interested in going, because for me,

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Speaker 4: like it is the perfect Vegas weekend. If you go

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Speaker 4: for a couple of days with your buddies, you watch

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Speaker 4: a race at two pm on Sunday, right, you are

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Speaker 4: done by five. You're watching NFL games, right, you can

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Speaker 4: watch Sunday night football, go to dinner, go to casino,

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Speaker 4: have a night. Right as it is now, you're kind

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Speaker 4: of just hanging around all day. A lot of people

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Speaker 4: that I heard of that were there as guests of

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Speaker 4: some companies, like had too many extra cluicker activities leading

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Speaker 4: up to the race, didn't even go to the race,

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Speaker 4: and it's like it's missing the mark a little bit

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Speaker 4: from that standpoint.

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Speaker 1: So that was Alex Rossie, and he's so interesting to

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Speaker 1: talk to, you know, at this point. I remember talking

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Speaker 1: to him ten years ago, and he really has developed

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Speaker 1: as a thinker. And like you said, An, he's not

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Speaker 1: the elder statesman yet of IndyCar He's only thirty three.

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Speaker 1: But he's been doing this for so long. I just

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Speaker 1: love getting his perspective on the world of racing because

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Speaker 1: he shoots it straight.

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Speaker 2: Very cool. All right, what else have you got coming up?

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Speaker 2: What are you doing after this?

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Speaker 1: So Vegas until Sunday, the Grand Prixs on Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, next week's Thanksgiving and we are

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere. We are staying put. I might, you know,

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Speaker 1: get Chinese, some Chinese food.

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Speaker 4: Sweet?

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Speaker 3: What about you?

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Speaker 2: It's the first time so I'm not going home for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully my mom doesn't listen to this podcast because

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Speaker 2: she's very unhappy about it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, but I'm happy.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy because no, no, because we just I've I've

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Speaker 2: traveled a lot, I've gone home. It's expensive when you have,

906
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're paying for not one or

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Speaker 2: two plane tickets, but four. And also I bought my

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Speaker 2: house with my family to live in it. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: going to set up a fire, I'm going to put

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Speaker 2: the turkey in the oven. I'm going to do the

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Speaker 2: whole deal.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: So, I'm a big believer in establishing your own traditions

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Speaker 1: as an adult, and I understand I'm sorry, my mom

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Speaker 1: does listen to this. You know, I certainly understand that

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Speaker 1: you never want to hurt your family, but some things

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Speaker 1: you do might hurt their feelings, but that at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, you're the adult. You've got your

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Speaker 1: own family. It doesn't mean you don't love them. And

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Speaker 1: maybe you'll see him next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I definitely will. And I'm glad your mom

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Speaker 2: listens to this podcast.

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Speaker 5: I'm too, Hi.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, Well, it's been a pleasure. I hope

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Speaker 2: you have a fantastic week. I am gonna be thankful

926
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Speaker 2: for you, and I'm thankful that we are doing this together.

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Speaker 2: It's really at the top of my list. So and

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Speaker 2: to all of our listeners out there, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for coming along on this journey with.

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Speaker 4: Me and Yanna.

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Speaker 1: We truly enjoy all of the feedback.

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Speaker 2: Shout just an email at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller and

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Speaker 3: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg