1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: back with you. Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm good, 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: no complaints, just uh, working on some stuff for the 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: notebook that I'm going released earlier today. And that's it. 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to today's pot because we have what 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: we have on the sheet here. But there's some conversations 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: that we had on the phone the other day that 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: I would love to jump into, UM and kind of 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: put a bowl on that running back discussion that you've 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: started on social media and and we've had privately. I 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: think would be a fun conversation for folks to listen to. UM. 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: I want to talk today about some guys that I 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: think are are are really gonna go higher than maybe 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: we initially thought. UM. And some of that has to 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: do with the depth at some positions and and UH, 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: and some guys just you know, when you call around 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: the league, there's some there's some building support for these players. 19 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: So I want to hit on some of those guys. 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: The draft is gonna be as scheduled, we can touch 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: on that and UH and what that looks like and 22 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: then uh, the deck us got contract which seems to 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: be getting closer. Buck, we can we can dive into 24 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: that as well. Yes, it's an interesting time, uh. I 25 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: mean business is going as schedule in the National Football 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: League and is a lot of interesting conversations being floated, 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, well, let's let's start off. First of all, 28 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: I want to talk about some guys that through the 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 1: draft process I think you're gonna end up going higher, 30 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: and some of them we've mentioned and discussed, but I 31 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: want to hit you with a handful of names here, Buck, 32 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: and just get your thoughts and see if there's somebody 33 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: else you think might end up going higher than than 34 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: where we initially thought here. Um, this is not you know, 35 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: when you go through and you put your board together, 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: which I've done over the last week, is take your 37 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: sequence list and really kind of map it out by 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: position and put it on paper. It's not a good 39 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: interior offensive line group. Um, it really isn't, which which 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: means inevitably somebody's gonna end up climbing out of that 41 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: pile and going higher because there's there's need around the 42 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: league at those positions, and I think a guy like 43 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Robert Hunt from Lafayette from Louisiana. Lafayette, who is you know? 44 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: Is big, big, strong, powerful, He's a little bit tight. 45 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna end up seeing him going 46 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: in the second, second round Buck And I think that's 47 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: one of those products of look at just not a 48 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: lot of depth at the position. So some of these 49 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: guys are gonna end up elevating. I think he's gonna 50 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: be near the top of the list. Yeah, I think 51 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: he's an interesting one because, um, you know, when you're 52 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: sitting there and you're looking at that pile, Um, I 53 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: had a tough time really sorting those guys out. And 54 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: as much as I like one, there's just as much 55 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: that I dislike about his game when I would continue 56 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: to get into the tape, I think for a Hunt, 57 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: what's interesting is he was the guy that didn't have 58 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: the comment. But was he the one or was it 59 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: his team? It was his teammate, yea, his teammate. His 60 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: teammate did not have to invite. And so like with 61 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: both of those guys, because I think both of those 62 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: guys are solid players, you just wonder which one is 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: going to kind of get lost in the wash. I 64 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: think for a Hunt. Everything that you talk about Um 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: is true in terms of being solid. Um. I love 66 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: the strength, I love the way he plays, I love 67 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: the way he finishes all of those things. And when 68 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: you can him to some of the other guys, Um, 69 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I think his balance and body control there's just something 70 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: for me. Um. I just have to see guys that 71 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: can stay up, like staying up as part of the battle, 72 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: and whenever you see a guard that's always on the 73 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: ground is problematic. And I think for him, his balance, 74 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: his body control, his ability to finish is one of 75 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: the things that separates him for some of those other 76 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: guys in the cluster. Yeah, no doubt. Caesar Ruiza from 77 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Michigan's the only interior offensive linemen I have in my 78 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: top fifty, and he's in the mid thirties, mid to 79 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: late thirties. And then I have Cushionberry, who I think 80 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: will end up going in the top fifty from l 81 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: s U. Lloyd Cushionberry, who's impeccable character Buck. He's a 82 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: really good athlete. He can bend Um. You know, he 83 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: just needs to get a little bit stronger, but had 84 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: a good Senior Bowl week. And then I have Hunt 85 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: right behind him. So those are my top three guys, 86 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: and I think you'll see while I only have one 87 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: of those in my top fifty, it wouldn't shock me 88 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: if three of them ended up going in the top fifties. 89 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: So that's one another one who we saw really go 90 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: off at the Senior Bowl. And I feel like because 91 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Bradley and I what he did all week long, and 92 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: we've talked about him in the game Buck josh Uch 93 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: got a little bit lost in that, but when you 94 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: go back and watch the Senior Bowl game, and he 95 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: was he was a wrecking ball out there. He's he's explosive. UM, 96 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: he's got heavy hands. I think you know, he's a 97 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: he's ideally a three four stand up guy UM on 98 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: the edge, but he can really really run. And the 99 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: thing I like about him is, you know, maybe he's 100 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: a DPR, which for those I don't know, it's like 101 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: a designated pass rusher. Maybe you don't have a position 102 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: for him right away if you're a four three team, 103 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: but you bring him on the field and sub let 104 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: him rush the quarterback. But then also why he's developing. 105 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: This guy can cover kicks and do all those things 106 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: special teams wise that you know he's six oh one two, 107 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: so six one on a quarter or two un forty 108 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: five pounds UM. But I just think he's an intriguing player. 109 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: He's very intriguing. And it's funny that you you kind 110 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: of go back to the Senior Bowl and some of 111 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: the guys that were kind of lost over the course 112 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: of the week because there's so much um, so many 113 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: guys to talk about, but he is one. His initial 114 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: quickness stands out to me. He can give you problems 115 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: with his speed but also can come up under. And 116 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: the fact that you talked about him being a stand 117 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: up player that not only can maybe play as a 118 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: traditional three or four outside linebacker that maybe drops on occasion, 119 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: but his ability to play on special teams, and that 120 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: is kind of the un It's kind of the unheralded 121 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: aspect of the evaluation process because a lot of times 122 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: when you have two prospects and you're debating on which 123 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: one should be the fit, the special teams coaches ultimately 124 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: the one that determines how the room is kind of split. 125 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: He's kind of like judge injury when it comes to it. 126 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I believe his ability to run down all kicks be 127 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: a punts kickoffs will be a difference maker, and it 128 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: will give him an opportunity to one get a jersey 129 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: each week, and that enhances his opportunity to get on 130 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: the field each week, which is what young guys have 131 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: to have. Yeah, no doubt. Um, if you can't play 132 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: on fourth down and you're not a first round pick, 133 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: it really really hurts your value. But this this kid 134 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: is gonna be able to do that. I think he's 135 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: got a chance, but eventually sneak into the second round. 136 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: I think the third round is probably the sweet spot 137 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: for him. Um, a couple other players, Buck, I was 138 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: proud of myself for this comparison because that one of 139 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: the most difficult players to compare in this class because 140 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: of what he did testing wise, which is absolutely ridiculous. Um, 141 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: have you really dug in and looked at Jeremy Chen's 142 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: testing numbers? Buck? Yeah, like he is. He is a 143 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: remarkable talent. Let let me read these off real quick 144 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about him as a player. But 145 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: he's in my top fifty, He's in the back end 146 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: of my top fifty. I think this kid's gonna go 147 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: on the He's gonna go early second round. From Southern 148 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Illinois Southern Illinois six three two one pounds he ran 149 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: four four five and then vertical forty one he broad 150 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: jumped eleven six. And so I have to go through 151 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: and put comps in for these players for the draft, 152 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: and you try and find comparable numbers. The only one 153 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: that's even comparable is Derwin James and I didn't want 154 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: to put I didn't want to put that on him. Um, 155 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: so I I went way back. I was actually on 156 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: the phone with our buddy Lancer Line kind of going 157 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: through a bunch of old names, and uh, I ended 158 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: up settling on Adrian Wilson is a comp for him. Who, man, 159 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: you remember how big and physical and fast he was 160 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: coming out of NC State and playing playing really well 161 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: for the Cardinals there. But this is a kid that 162 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: buck If if Jeremy Chen were to sneak into the 163 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: bottom of the first round, I would not be totally shocked. 164 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean that this kid is a rocket ship right now. Well, 165 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: let's have that conversation because I'm underwhelmed by the safety 166 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: class um, and I know it's kind of been easy 167 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: when we're mocking to put you know, Xavier McKinney and 168 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: Grant Dale Pitt in those conversations. But if we really 169 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: stripped away the logos off the helmet and the names 170 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: off the back of the jerseys or whatever, um, when 171 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: you look at them, I don't know if any of 172 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: those guys really excite me in terms of what they're 173 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: going to do at the next level. Zavian McKinney does 174 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: a great job of lining guys up. He does a 175 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: good job of making the plays that he's expected to make. 176 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: He's tough and physical around the box. But I can't 177 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: sit here and say that he's a wild player that 178 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: I watched the tape and I'm like wow or whatever. 179 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: With Grant Delpit, I think he's a great athlete. He 180 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: has ranged, but his tackling issues are problematic for a 181 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: team that is thinking about him being the last line 182 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: of defense. When I look at Chinn, and even though 183 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: he plays against a lesser level of competition, the one 184 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: thing that I get when I watched the tape I 185 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: feel his presence. I feel him make plays off the edge. 186 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: I feel him play kind of heavy handed as an 187 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: a force over the middle of the field. I feel 188 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: him in the box making plays, and even though the 189 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: transition can be a little slow for guys going from 190 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: smaller schools to the National Football League. I do believe 191 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: he offers greater upside than the two guys that we 192 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: talked about previously, which leads to the question, I mean, 193 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: and I have I have those other two guys ahead 194 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: of him, but I'm I'm Jeremy Chin's moving up for me. 195 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: There's a chance that a couple of those guys might 196 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: be sliding down a little bit, and that what do 197 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: you be shocked if Jeremy Chinn was the first safety? No, 198 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: Because I think literally, it's it's a whole hum class there. 199 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: There's no one at the top that you're that you're 200 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: really killing. Like we're just so used to say, hey, 201 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: Zay McKinny, Grant del Pit, But when you really look 202 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: at them, there's nothing that you can see off the 203 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: tape that screams all pro or pro bowler um. And 204 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: we've seen enough of those guys that have come out 205 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: of those respective schools that have been okay, but they 206 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: haven't been great. Um. It's a bit of a gamble 207 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: taking a chance on a smaller school guy because of 208 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: you know, you worry about the transition. Uh, But look, 209 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: I feel pretty confident about what I saw from him 210 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I feel good about what I've 211 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: seen from him on tape. And then when you add 212 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: the athletic numbers, Uh, he should be in that conversation. 213 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: And we've had so many of the conversations about the 214 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: Lord Lenore Ryan Kid, Kyle Dugger and how he is 215 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: going to be the guy. But when you look at it, 216 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a big or stronger, really explosive, uh, 217 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: small school standout and Chin Chin to me is the 218 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: one that you kind of hit your wagon too. Yeah, 219 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: and I have. I've leap frogged him over Dugger and 220 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: he's closing ground. There's a chance, Bucky he's got He's 221 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: got a real good chance to at least be my 222 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: second safety when this is all said and done. Um, 223 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: he just can't ignore the athleticism in the production. He's 224 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: got thirteen career picks um to go along with everything 225 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: else that you see on the tape. So um, he's 226 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: definitely on the come up. All right. Another guy we've 227 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: talked about before, We talked about having pedigree coming out 228 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: of high school with Willie Gay Jr. From Mississippi State. 229 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: Now another one who tested UM, just unbelievably well. So 230 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about it before with not starting a game 231 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: this year, UM suspended for several games, which we were 232 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: for academic reasons, which you know, I wasn't all sure 233 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: what everything was. And then when I dug into it, 234 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: I felt a little more comfortable with it. So I've 235 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: since went back and got in touch with somebody in 236 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Mississippi State and Uh, I said, hey, tell me about 237 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: tell me about Willie Gay. So here's what I got back, Buck, 238 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: big heart, big energy, comes in every day with a 239 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: big smile on his face. He's been very honest about 240 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: the mistakes he's made and when he's made him UM, 241 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: the bull practice situation which led to a suspension was 242 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: a situation that got very overblown. He's not a bad kid. 243 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: And then I talked to teams around the league and 244 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about this a little bit before the said 245 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: he interviewed really well, handled himself very well. So now 246 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: I've got a kid who had, you know, big time 247 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: pedigree coming out of high school. You knew him UM 248 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: as a five star kid. He goes to Mississippi State. 249 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: The tape is good. I mean, you see him, you 250 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: know Kentucky watched the you know, Pick six and you 251 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: see him fly all over the field, but he doesn't 252 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: start and he's missing some games due to suspension. But 253 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: when you add up the athleticism um and the way 254 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the game has played at that linebacker position nowadays, Buck 255 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: and you can clean up the character which I think 256 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: teams have been able to do. Um. He's he's another 257 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: one that's got a really good shot of going inside 258 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: the top five. Well he is. He has to go 259 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: inside of the top fifty because one um, the position 260 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: Eddie plays, there haven't been a lot of standouts like 261 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: guys that you can say, hey, without a doubt, he 262 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: is a better player than Willie get Well. Then when 263 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: you look at Willie on tape, what you like is 264 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: the athleticism, the energy, the effort he flashes, the playmaking 265 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: ability you've talked about to pick six first Kentucky, you 266 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: just see him make a ton of plays as a 267 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: sideline the sideline chase guy. And if you're imagining what 268 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: he could be at the next level, you think about 269 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: put him in a situation where you could play will linebacker. 270 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: You have a steady Eddie mic linebacker that can handle 271 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: all of the calls and adjustments so he can just 272 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: play fast. If free I think you could get a 273 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: guy that could play at a high level if he's 274 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: freed up just to go hunt and chase the football. 275 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: And his combine numbers buck just to put a bowl 276 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: on that. He was six one eight two forty three pounds, 277 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: which is great size. He ran four four six. He 278 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: jumped thirty nine and a half inches. He broad jumped 279 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: eleven four. Um, that's some that's some freaky that's some 280 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: freaky explosiveness there. I mean, it's it's ridiculous, you know. Um, 281 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: he is a five star, five star player. He's one 282 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: of the top high school players coming out of Mississippi. 283 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: He might have been number three overall coming out of 284 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: Mississippi when he came out the year DD came out. Um, 285 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: he was ecxacular and flashes at Mississippi State. And then 286 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: when you go and you test the way that he 287 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: tested at the Common, and then you add that with 288 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: the interviews and what the feedback we've received on how 289 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: he interviewed, it's not a surprise that he is a 290 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: guy that is gaining steam. Um during this process. All right, 291 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: I want to give you, give you one more name here. 292 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: Um in the corner class kind of been the in 293 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: the middle rounds to me, somebody that's got a chance. 294 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: I think this guy's got a really good shot of 295 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: going in the third round when it's all said and done. 296 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: It's Josiah Scott from Michigan State. Uh. He was five 297 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: nine and a quarter hundred and eighty five pounds. He's 298 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: not the biggest guy in the world. He ran four 299 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: four two and he's just really really tough and competitive. Uh. 300 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: When you look at him at Michigan State and when 301 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,359 Speaker 1: you start poking holes in some of these other corners, um, 302 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: you start saying, Okay, this guy has got a real 303 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: good chance to kind of climb up through the um 304 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: through this class and find his way into that third 305 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: round area. Buck, I think is somebody that can play. 306 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: He's played outside. I think he's got a chance to 307 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: play inside. And I was I was looking at some 308 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: of these numbers. I had had our buddy Bill Smith 309 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: and research pull these for me. So when you look 310 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: at the number of players on average at each position 311 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: that go on the top one over the last five years, 312 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: in average of thirteen point six corners go in the 313 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: top hundred so really, let's just round that up to fourteen. 314 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: So when you start looking at this and you start saying, 315 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: this guy is a fourth round of this guy's a 316 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: fifth rounder, we'll just count just add him up, Like 317 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: what number corner is he for you? Well, if he's 318 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: one of your top like, let me, I'll tell you 319 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: where he is from me right now, one to three, four, five, six, seven, 320 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: eight nine, And he's my twelfth corner. So if he's 321 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: my twelfth corner, he's going in the top one hundred, 322 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: and there's a chance he's going closer to a hundred. 323 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: So it is one of those things where we talk 324 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: about the depth of the skill positions, and we talked 325 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: about why our receivers, but dbs are right behind that. Uh, 326 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: you talked about the average being right around high thirteen 327 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: number of corners that are taken in the first three rounds, 328 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and they're not enough corners to go around. So when 329 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: you find corners who are athletic, who are smart, who 330 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: have shown versatility on tape to play inside and outside, 331 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: who will come up and tackle, and who also have 332 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: a knack for getting their hands on the ball, those 333 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: guys are going to be drafted in the first two days, 334 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: and so I think you're right to assume that he 335 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: is going to come off the board in the top 336 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: one hundred. There are people that are looking for these 337 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: specialists to play in the back end, and I think 338 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: he just kind of fits the bill. When it comes 339 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: to a solid corner that can play, you don't have 340 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: to just fairly worry about him when you plug him in. Ye. So, 341 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's interesting just having this information. 342 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: It really kind of clears your mind a little bit 343 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: on where these guys go. And I was talking to 344 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: a general manager of the day and we were talking 345 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: about corners, and I've kind of presented him with this 346 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: information and just basically was like, man, you can have 347 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: these other needs, but those premier positions, you know, offensive 348 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: tackle and average of ten go on the top one. Um. 349 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, you look at this corner position, those two 350 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: positions specifically, you better attack those early, man, because those 351 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: guys are going to go fast. They're going to go fast. 352 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: And so a lot of times in the draft we 353 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: talk about valuations and the differences between the tiers two one, 354 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: Tier two, then you have the other tiers three and four. Uh, 355 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: in those positions, the drop off is drastic. Uh, the 356 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: drop off with your officeive tackles like those first two 357 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: tiers and the third and fourth tiers significantly different in 358 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: terms of the type of athlete and player that you 359 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: get it. The same can be said of Corner. If 360 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: you're going to pick a corner and you're going to 361 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: pick him fairly early in the draft, you're looking at 362 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: a guy who is probably a better athlete, probably has 363 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: fewer holes in his game when it comes to um 364 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: the balance of game, meaning how they play either press 365 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: or off bail. Uh, those things, can they tackle and 366 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: the like when you deal with corners and stuff that 367 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: are kind of beyond that below that line. What we're saying, 368 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: we'll say the line is the fourth round. What you're 369 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: getting is a very very limited guy and he only 370 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: typically can play in one style. And then it becomes 371 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: even more imperative that his style of play has to 372 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: fit your style, Whereas if you take some of these 373 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: other guys, they have more tools in the toolbox that 374 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: maybe you can get them to fit your style of play. Yeah, 375 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the whole thing. And be able 376 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: to do all those different things is gonna big time 377 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: impact your your draft stock there. Um. But as we 378 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: as we look at this decision, it's come out, the 379 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: memos gone out to the league. This raft is happening 380 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: on time April. UM. I thought one of the major issues, 381 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, to put to put the medical stuff aside 382 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: and the non combine guys. We already touched on that, 383 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: But to me, it was just being able to have 384 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: five to seven of these, um you know, personnel executives, owner, 385 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: head coach all in the same room would make it 386 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: a lot easier for these teams. And it sounds like 387 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: that's going to be the case, whether or not that's 388 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: at the team facility or some other location, it sounds 389 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: like they'll be able to gather with at least a 390 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: small group of guys to to execute the draft. Yeah. 391 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: I think they found a way to get it done, 392 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: and I think the league is insistent on having the 393 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: draft at this time is because there's no real end 394 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: in sight and postponing the draft, of putting it off 395 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: doesn't guarantee that um COVID nineteen is going to go 396 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: away or not have the impact that is continuing to 397 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: have on the country and the National Football League in 398 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: terms of the way that people are going about doing 399 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: their business. So by staying firm with the date, they 400 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: know that they can take care of all the business. 401 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of what can we do UM 402 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: to put teams in the best position to navigate around 403 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: the challenges that they have while also giving them the 404 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: best opportunity to draft and evaluate and make good decisions 405 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: own draft. We can Yeah, I think they're gonna be 406 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: able to execute this. You know. The the other challenge 407 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: that hasn't been talked about is not UM executing the draft. 408 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: The challenge is going to be free agency after the draft, 409 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: because that can be wild. Uh. You know, You've got 410 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: usually a scout paired up with a position coach and 411 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: as soon as we get towards the end of the draft, 412 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: usually a little bit before to be quite honest, but 413 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: you start making these phone calls and it's a juggling 414 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: act in terms of the money and in terms of 415 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: the roster spots that you have, in terms of who 416 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to get. It has to be very carefully coordinated. 417 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: And we we used to have a a desk set 418 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: up in the draft room. We'd have one person manning 419 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: the desk and every time you clothe we're closing a deal. 420 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: You before you could close a deal, you had to 421 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: go to him and say, do I have a spot 422 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: to bring in a tackle? What's my budget? Okay, we 423 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: bonus money, go get get the best guy you can get. 424 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: So then you would but then you would have to 425 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: then come back give it to him. Okay, I've locked 426 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: him up, so we can cross that one off the list. 427 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: So okay, we don't need any more tackles. Work with 428 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: this kid. Now you've got these three running backs were 429 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: trying to recruit. So you know, we have one guy 430 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: talking to this guy. You talked to that guy. Coach, 431 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: you talk to this guy. It's it's wild. It is 432 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: a wild wild West. After the draft. That is going 433 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: to be a challenge in this content, in the current 434 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: marketplace we are right now. Yeah, it is gonna be 435 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: a challenge. It's it's gonna be a challenge in a 436 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: few different ways. Like a lot of times, you can 437 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: begin to do the groundwork on your what we call 438 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: street free agents or pro day season. You can begin 439 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: to develop the relationships with the prospects so that when 440 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: you call, it's a friendly voice. They know, Okay, this 441 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: is my guy. I've talked to him enough and then 442 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: you can sell them whatever you need to sell them 443 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,239 Speaker 1: all like a man. We really want to get you, 444 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: but we lost out in the room, so we took 445 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. But here we are. We got a 446 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: great opportunity for you at cornerback. We've only drafted one 447 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: or we haven't drafted any so when you come here, 448 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: it's a legitimate opportunity. And it's being able to have 449 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: those conversations that have been kind of stacked together off 450 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: of building relationships. A lot of area scouts won't have 451 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: those relationships to lean on, UH this time around, and 452 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: so it will be a little different when it comes 453 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: to negotiating those deals and getting those deals done UM 454 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: at the wire and so it would really be the 455 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: wild wild West. And without the medical information that you 456 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: are unable to get on the guys that didn't go 457 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: to the combine, it just makes it very, very very 458 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: challenging to figure out how you going to attack the 459 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: street free agent market. And you mentioned not having that 460 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: medical information. Tweeted it out yesterday that we had thirty 461 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: three non combined players drafted last year. UM and and 462 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: talking to a bunch of people around the league, the expectation. 463 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: You can cut that number in half, um, because they 464 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: just don't feel comfortable with medical situation. I think you're 465 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: gonna see most guys said, you'll start to see in 466 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: like the sixth seventh round, you'll start to see those 467 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: non combined guys go. But using a top five round 468 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: pick on a player you don't you don't have concrete, 469 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, medical information on the last thing you want 470 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: to do is spend a fifth round pick on a player. 471 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: He walks in your door, you give him a physical, 472 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: he's got an arthritic need you didn't know anything about. UM, 473 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: So that's that's gonna unfortunately push those guys down or 474 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: out of the draft. Yeah, it's gonna be a challenge 475 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: because you just don't know. And I think this year 476 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: more than any other year, UM, you kind of have 477 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: to hit it right down the fairway. You don't want 478 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: to dev a you don't want to take uh significant 479 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: risk in Gamble's own players that you haven't had an 480 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: opportunity and I don't give the medical but you haven't 481 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: had a chance to sit down and talk to be 482 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: it informal or formal interviews that were either conducted at 483 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: All Star Games or at the combine, and so it's 484 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: it's tough. I mean, it's unlike anything that I can 485 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: reference because it's never been a situation like this where 486 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: I can remember not being able to bring people in, 487 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: not having pro days, not being able to talk to 488 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: the guys and really begin to develop those relationships so 489 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: you can confidently speak in favor of a guy when 490 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: you're presenting into in front of the rest of the room. 491 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: And that's the challenge. That's a challenge that every team faces. 492 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: So it isn't it's not a competitive advantage for anybody. 493 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: It's just something everybody has to navigate through. Uh. During 494 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: this time, Buck Dak Prescott deal looks like it's potentially 495 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: getting close here. I'm the only surprise to me is 496 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: that it's not done already. Uh to me, it would 497 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: seem that that Dak Prescott has all the leverage on 498 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: his side of the table right now. He does have 499 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: all delivered and uh DJ A lot of people can 500 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: talk about they can't believe that he will be the 501 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: highest paid player in the league and all those things, 502 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: and I understand that sentiment. But what I will say 503 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: is this is a byproduct of misplaying your hand when 504 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: you're the team. They could have had this deal done 505 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: a year ago for maybe ten million dollars a year 506 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: less annually if they're just ponied up. At the time, 507 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about twenty three twenty five million dollars, and 508 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: people were blown away by that number. But if they 509 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: had done the deal a year or so ago, it 510 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: would have been an easy deal to get done. And 511 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: we look like a bargain basement deal at this moment. 512 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: But because they waited, and you and I've talked about it, 513 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: the price taggle quarterbacks never goes down. It only goes up. 514 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: And so isn't the best interest to go ahead and 515 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: get it done? UH, figure out whatever to guarantee money 516 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: needs to be with the annual UH payment, and just 517 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: make it happen, because in six months time, they're gonna 518 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: be two or three deals that surpassed. When Patrick Mahomes 519 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: comes in, when Deshaun Watson comes in, those deals are 520 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: going to pass whatever it is that Dak Prescott signs for. Yeah, 521 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: and I feel like we've just we've seen enough. I mean, 522 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: this is not a situation where you know, a Nick 523 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: Foles has stepped in for you know, six eight games 524 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: and played well, and it's like, oh man, what do 525 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: we pay him? Do we not? Look? This guy has 526 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of game tape out there to show who 527 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: he is as a player, which is somebody that's worthy 528 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: of a big contract. And it's whatever the number is 529 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: six months from now, it's gonna look fine. So just 530 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: get it done. Man. I just think the longer you 531 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: wait on this, and you know, God forbid, one of 532 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: these other quarterback deals comes in, it's it's that prices 533 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: not going down, as you just said, never never going down. 534 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: So they just need to do it. I'm surprised that 535 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: it took this long for the doing. They've done everything 536 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: out of order. Um, like doing Zeke a year ago. Uh, 537 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: they didn't need to do it. Um, they caved for 538 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: whatever reason. They cave to his demands. They gave the 539 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: running back the big money. Then they came and did 540 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: Amory Cooper. And by waiting on Amory Cooper, I mean 541 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: they put him at a I mean a unbelievable number 542 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: at wide receiver. And so by kind of mismanaging or 543 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: just going I guess out of order, they have in 544 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: essence cost himselves significant money at each of those respective positions. Um, 545 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got sidetrack, but they certainly 546 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: haven't handled this the way that you would think I 547 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: saw the front office would handle it, no doubt. Um, 548 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: well every day again it's it's the price is not 549 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: going down. Just get it done. I'd imagine we'll see 550 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: it done here pretty soon. The other question I wanted 551 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: to hit you, Buck before we start closing this up today. 552 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I tweeted out the other day a bunch of kind 553 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,239 Speaker 1: of either or you know players, you know which one 554 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: would you rather have? This guy or that guy? And 555 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: some of the debates that I've gone through on my board, 556 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: so I've I've gone through those, Buck, I'd be curious 557 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: to know you put out your top five lists. Um, 558 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: and you can find those, believe on Instagram, right, we 559 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: have that where we have those. I mean they've been 560 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: putting them everywhere. Yeah, I did it a week ago. 561 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: They put them out on a Instagram. Um, they've been 562 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter, They've been everywhere. Okay, you can find them 563 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: and go follow Bucky at Bucky Brooks, so you can 564 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: get all the top five lists. But my question for you, 565 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: Buck is what was it What was the biggest challenge 566 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: for you? Uh in separating two players. Who were those 567 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: two players and why was it so difficult? It's I mean, 568 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: obviously it's it's funny because it comes back to what 569 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: you put out there. I think the wide receiver combination, 570 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: and it kind of piggybacks on a conversation that you 571 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: threw out there about not being surprised if Henry Ruggs 572 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: is the number one receiver taken off the board. Um 573 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: my challenge with Jerry Judy and Ceedee Lamb comes down 574 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: to what is your preferred style as a number one receiver. 575 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: Is it the playmaker that you put the ball in 576 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: his hands and he makes magic happen while also displaying 577 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: outstanding contested catchability. Or is it the steady, independable route 578 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: runner that consistently creates separation and does those things while 579 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: also showing position flexibility. That's the conversation that I'm having 580 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: in my head with Ceedee Lamb. Is the first Judy 581 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Judy is kind of like the second that I 582 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: described with Rugs. I think what's interesting about Ruggs is 583 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: he is the vertical stretch guy. He is the playmaker 584 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: making surge would be He's never been put in the 585 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: number one role So if you draft him and kind 586 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: of miscast him in a role that he's unfamiliar, can 587 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: he perform and handle the expectations that come with being 588 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: the number one receiver because it's different than being the playmaker, 589 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: the guy that takes the top off, the guy that 590 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: does the Will Fuller stuff in the Texans offense. Can 591 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: he go and be the number one? And it's uncommon 592 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: for a speaster to be a number one receiver in 593 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Yeah, I had this conversation with 594 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: the personal executive just the other day, um, and we 595 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: were going through it, and I love, I love Henry 596 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: Ruggs I have. I think all these guys are very close. 597 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: That's a flavor thing. What flavor do you want? But 598 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: I just said, if you look at you know, Tyreek 599 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: Hill is really the only comp of somebody with just 600 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, blow the doors off speed that can be 601 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: a true number one and play at a consistently high 602 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: level weekend and week out. The guys that are catching 603 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: a hunter balls and going over you know, yards every 604 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: year typically aren't that guy. The only difference I would 605 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: say is maybe you could say there's there's freaks like 606 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: we had with with Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones, those 607 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: guys for six four, uh you know six you know 608 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: six two and a half, six to six four with 609 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson. Those were rare, rare physical specimens. So, um, 610 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: they're just there hasn't really been that outside of Tyreek Hill. 611 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: But ask anybody that plays the Chiefs and they'll tell you. 612 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, Tyreek Hill scares a living crap out of you. 613 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: So there's value there. I don't, I don't. I don't 614 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: discount that. But it is a it's a it's a 615 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: really interesting discussion and debate. It is. It is it's 616 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: one of those that you you have to have. What 617 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: was another debate that you had? So the other one 618 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: was like a Pat Patrick queen Um versus Kenneth Murray 619 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: is a good one. That is a good one, DJ 620 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: and Um, here's what's interesting about that. And and Kenneth Murray, 621 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: what I see is your prototypical he had run and 622 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: cover linebacker. Uh, he can come down here, he can 623 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: play to run, he can bliss off the edge, he 624 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: makes plays and rich Um, he has outstanding qualities as 625 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: a leader. Um. Everyone who knows his story and like 626 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: the way that he takes care of his uh uh, 627 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: the siblings and those things like he has tremendous qualities. 628 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: Patrick Queen is a guy that popped the last half 629 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: of the season, And when you look at the tape, 630 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: you see the explosive traits, you see the athleticism, you 631 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: see the playmaking, abuilding. You just don't have a long 632 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: track record. So what you're doing is making a decision 633 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: on am I betting on a player on the come, 634 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: which is Patrick Queen? Or am I going to trust 635 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: my eyes on what I've seen and the consistent production 636 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: is the higher floor? How your ceiling debate? Higher floor 637 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: maybe Kenneth Murray. How you're selling is Patrick Queen. Yeah, 638 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: And I've I've talked to teams that have it each way. 639 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: I've talked to Patrick Queen teams and I've talked to 640 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray team. So that's why it's such a good debate. 641 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: Um I ended up with with Kenneth Murray. I thought 642 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray, even though you don't see as much tape 643 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: with him buck in terms of you know, the playtime 644 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: that that Kenneth Murray had, I thought he was a 645 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: little bit more instinctive. Um. When you watch him you know, 646 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: coming down the stretch when he had his opportunity. I 647 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: just thought he he was able to see in sort 648 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: a little bit quicker, um, whereas I thought with Kenneth Murray, 649 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: getting him in some space where he can just run 650 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: and hit and see everything really clearly. It's a it's 651 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: an interesting example with Kenneth Murray with a guy like 652 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Miles Jack. Um, you know we've seen they just brought 653 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: in Showbert too, so they could kick Myles Jack back 654 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: out to Will because when pass Leslie was gone, Miles 655 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: Jack had a slide into the middle and he's good 656 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: in there, but he's at his best when he has 657 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: clear sightlines he can just see and go. And I 658 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: think Kenneth Murray is a Miles Jack type player in 659 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: that regard. That's a good that's a good point because, um, 660 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: when you're sitting in there in the box, sometimes your 661 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: eyes can see too much. Uh, it's too much stuff 662 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: going on, and so it's paralysis by analysis where if 663 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: you kick them off to either side strong or Will linebacker, 664 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: it kind of closes the windows a little bit and 665 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: enables them to really focus on small things, not the 666 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: big picture, and that leads to more playmaking ability because 667 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: they can react faster. So it's a good observation on 668 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray is one that you have to have the 669 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: conversation on because it depends on what position am I 670 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: looking to feel with the linebacker that I'm taking, no doubt. 671 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: A couple of the linebackers we talked about two with 672 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: Willie Gay Um, he's he's gonna put his way up 673 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: in that conversation. I think Logan Wilson from Wyoming and 674 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: Lee Harrison from Ohio State. I actually feel pretty good 675 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: about this linebacker group. UM Jordan Brooks from Texas Tech, 676 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: Keem Davis Gaither from app State. UM Darryl Taylor, who 677 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: can really run from from Colorado, Shaq Corterman who's a 678 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: great leader there at Miami. I really like all those players, 679 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: but I think it's a good group of linebackers off 680 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: the ball. Linebackers. Yeah, really really good group um of 681 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: line backers. And you talked about some some interesting ones. 682 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: I think you kid from app State is really interesting. 683 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: Davis Gaither just because of the speaking man sideline, the sideline, 684 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: the instincts to the awareness um you see disruptive plays 685 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: on tape. UM that stands out. I heard a lot 686 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: of conversations about uh Taylor. There are guys that I've 687 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: talked to. They really like him and like his potential 688 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: and where you can kind of slot and fit um 689 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: in his draft class, and so upon further review, there 690 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: is a very very solid collection of prospects at the 691 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: linebacker spot. Yeah, it's um. It's a group that I 692 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: think you're gonna see that sweet spot in rounds two 693 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: and three. You're gonna see those linebackers go off the board. 694 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: And that is a number, and this linebacker number is 695 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: gonna probably include some edge linebackers, which I just put 696 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: his edge dreshers, and and when they sort it based 697 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: off where they're picked, it's off linebackers. So top Hunter 698 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: picks fourteen point to our linebackers. Um. So that's a 699 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: mixture of inside guys outside guys. So it's kind of 700 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: a little bit confusing there. But long story short, you're 701 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: gonna see all these guys go on the top. Yeah, 702 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: you see those guys going. That's why I think I'm 703 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how people Uh settle in on 704 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: Zac bond from Wisconsin and where does he eventually play 705 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: Does he playoff like outside does he walk up um 706 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: as an outside linebacker in passing situations in russ do 707 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: you play him off the ball and he kind of 708 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: displaces and plays kind of like that nickel linebacker over 709 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: number two and plays in space. He has a lot 710 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: of talent, are really impressive player. But slotting him in 711 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: and putting him into the right thing is gonna be 712 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: an interesting thing to watch. Yeah, it is. Uh is 713 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: a player that can do a lot of different things. 714 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: Compared to chinnin to Oh Sue and I think you 715 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: saw Chinna go in the second round. I think Bond 716 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: has a chance to go bottom one worst case scenario. 717 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: I think he's top forty pick, whereas where he ends 718 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: up going anything you want to add two buck before 719 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: we wrap this bad boy up? No, I agree, I 720 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: agree on that. Um. Last thing I want to say, 721 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: because we talked a little bit about the corner, Um, 722 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: who is the corner that you feel like people haven't 723 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: talked about but should get more conversation when it comes 724 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: to because we've seen the same names, But who is 725 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: the guy that you gotta have earmarked as a guy 726 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: that's like, you know what, I think this guy is 727 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: better than people give him credit. For well, there's a 728 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: there's a couple here, I would say, and the bill 729 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: actually mentioned one of them, producer before talking about Jeff Gladdeney, 730 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: who I'm a big fan of. We talked about he's 731 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: in my top fifty. Just a real feisty, competitive player. 732 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: But the other one who is just a personal favorite 733 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: is h is a Meek Robertson from Louisiana Tech, who 734 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 1: I think is a day one impact nickel with unbelievable 735 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: ball skills and ball production, toughness. Um and you know, 736 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 1: look that Nichol's starter. It's a starter in the NFL 737 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: right now. So he's another one that I kind of thought, okay, 738 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, fourth round UMS is kind of gonna be 739 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: a great spot for him. And then when I add 740 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: up where he is on my corner list, he's like 741 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: my he's like my ninth or tenth corner. So that 742 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: puts him potentially in the in the bottom of the 743 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: second round. At worst, he's going to go on the 744 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: top of the third round. So uh, he's just a 745 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: really really good football player. Doesn't have ideal heightweight, speed, buck, 746 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: but at the nickel spot, this guy was born to 747 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: play that position. You know, It's funny that you talked 748 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: about nickel and maybe we can do this on another podcast. Um, 749 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: we've talked so much about the wide receiver position being 750 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: uh like a basketball team where you have to have 751 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: different roles. I think we're at the point where with 752 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: DBS you have to do the same. Because you can 753 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,720 Speaker 1: talk about a mean Robinson, I'll talk about Darnay Holmes 754 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: because I believe Darnay Holmes is a guy that on 755 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: your board, he might be the number one nickel even 756 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: though he may be listed as the eighth, ninth, tenth 757 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: best corner on the overall board. And so depending on 758 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: what you're looking for as you're shopping in the grocery store, 759 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: and do I envision this player that we draft being 760 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: a guy that can come in and play nickel or 761 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: am I looking for the best overall corner because that 762 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: nickel position is important. Is the twelfth starter on on 763 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: the board. And you have to have a unique skill 764 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: set to play in the slot, and everybody cannot go 765 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: in there and play there. And so even though some 766 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: guys may be better overall talents, the skill needed to 767 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: play in the slot is different. And when you talk 768 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: about a handful of guys in this graph class. They 769 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: have a perfect skill set to play that position. And 770 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: you look around the league and see all these slot 771 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: right wide receivers that are catching a hunter plus balls 772 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: and tearing everybody apart. You better get you a good 773 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: nickel if you don't have one. And that's why I 774 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: think a guy like a Meek Robertson has so much value. Uh. 775 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 1: One other topic, Buck, I forgot I skipped over it. 776 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: We need to circle back to it because we talked 777 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: about it at the top. Uh, we don't need to 778 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: go along here, but just a conversation we had on 779 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: the phone. And uh, we're kicking around different theories with 780 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: the running back situation and thinking about this next group 781 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: that's that's going to be due to be paid with 782 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and Alviren Mira and look, and we've talked 783 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: about you know, all these second contracts for running backs 784 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: have gone bad. It has not ended well. They've all 785 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: ended up switching teams. You know, it hasn't been a 786 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: good situation. I'd say Zeke is the only one the 787 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: jury is still out on. But if you look at 788 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: these two guys and what they do specifically as receivers. 789 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: I think if you were to put them as full 790 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: time slot receivers, they'd probably be top ten slot receivers 791 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's how gift and how talented these 792 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: two guys are. Um, but I almost wonder if to 793 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: preserve them, and we discussed this buck is if you 794 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: are going to give them a second contract, it might 795 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit of a shift and role in 796 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: terms of how many and where these touches come from. Yeah, 797 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: it's um. It's funny because coming off of that conversation, Uh, Marye. 798 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: S Jones Drew and we've had conversation before, but he 799 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: tweeted out something about how like when they get the 800 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: second contract, you should draft somebody else and let them 801 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: do some of the heavy lifting. And so with the 802 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamar, if I'm getting to the 803 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,439 Speaker 1: point where I'm about ready to pay them, I want 804 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: to draft a big banger to do there in between 805 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: the tackles runs. Primarily, I want to kind of keep 806 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: them fresh and let them kind of do some of 807 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: the stuff that they do really well, which is playing space, 808 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: get into slot, motion in and out of the back 809 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 1: field as maybe part of a two back back field, 810 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: but I want to use them kind of as a specialist, 811 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: an offensive weapon more so than as a traditional running back. 812 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: I think that's what their value is the fact that 813 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is a thousand, one hundred guy like hundred catchers, 814 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,360 Speaker 1: thousand rushing yards, and he may be a thousand thousand 815 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: guy like with rushing and receiving yards topping that mark. 816 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that I'm fully able 817 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: to maximize his talents without overworking him while the team 818 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: isn't great. Um. I think that's a top down conversation 819 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: where general manager, head coach, officer coordinator, everyone understands what 820 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: the long term vision is for the this player and 821 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 1: how we want to use this player over the next two, three, 822 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: four years. And I think it's the conversation that we 823 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: are going to have to have with Alvin Kamara and 824 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey as they get closer to being eligible for 825 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: that money. And I think Alvin Kamary comes up first 826 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: because he was drafted outside the first round, so this 827 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: might be year was this year three for him or 828 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: year four going into year four, this might be coming 829 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: up to his contract here. Yeah, So so now with 830 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: that contract. Yeah, but that contract coming up to new one, 831 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: the Saints have to figure out how they're gonna use 832 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,280 Speaker 1: them and are they going to put big money into 833 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: him because he is a running back. Let me give 834 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: you the solution here real quick. Pick number sixty nine 835 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: for the Carolina Panthers in the third round. They can 836 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: take Keyshawn Vaughan from Vanderbilt. Pick number eighty eight in 837 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: the third round for the New Orleans States, Go ahead 838 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: and get yourself Zack Moss from Utah. There you go. 839 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: There's your physical runners to complement the two athletes you 840 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: have there, McCaffrey and Cameara. Done. We solved all their 841 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: problems back. Yeah, we did, like and that, and that's 842 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: part of the back by committee thing. And I'll say 843 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: this because it goes back to uh when I was 844 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 1: at Carolina and Carolina like we always had a big 845 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: thing for running backs. But when we had Stephen Davis 846 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: and we went to the Super Bowl, we had de 847 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: Sean Foster that was playing as a compliment when de 848 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: Sean Foster was the lead. That's when we drafted D'Angelo. 849 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: You have to have multiple talented guys to keep the 850 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: top guy healthy and fresh for the stretch. And so 851 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: as I'm thinking about with McCaffrey and Kamara, you have 852 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: to make sure that the guy that's occupying this number 853 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: two role is a guy that can legitimately carry the 854 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: load and run the rock. So I can let those 855 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: guys do what they do really well. Ye I love it. 856 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a solution there to solve that running 857 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: back situation and prolonging these guys careers. Um, so we 858 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,759 Speaker 1: can get marae Jones Drew back in a better mood, 859 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: that's our uh And you know what, So this is 860 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: funny because I had a conversation with one of my 861 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: buddies who's a running back coach, and he kind of 862 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: told me in thinking about building the running back room, 863 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 1: he was like, I want you to think about your 864 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: number one running back being the guy that is diversatile 865 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: guy that is, he can he can run it, he 866 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: can catch it, he can do everything. The number two 867 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: guy being the hammer, the banger that can do all 868 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 1: the stuff between the tackles. And then the number three 869 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: guy needs to be more like your number one guy 870 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 1: as a versatile threat. So if number one ever goes out, 871 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 1: you can slot him in and number two never has 872 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: to change, but that third running back needs to be 873 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: more comparable skill wise to your number one guy then 874 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: he does your number two. Just an interesting thought because 875 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, I like that. Yeah, instead of 876 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: two bangers and and one versatile guy, you want two 877 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: versatile guys in the one in three hole and then 878 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: the banger in the two holes. So that's uh, you know, 879 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that how you construct your room. 880 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: That's something that needs to be talked about before the 881 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: draft for each team so they know the dynamics they're 882 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: looking for and all those different spots. So it makes 883 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Buck. Yeah, it was really interesting 884 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: when he brought it to him and I was like, man, 885 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: I never thought about that. He was like, yeah, you 886 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,919 Speaker 1: don't want to change when number two does. You don't 887 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 1: want to move him up and ask gonna do stuff 888 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: that he can. You want that swing gut, that third 889 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: guy to be able to kind of pop in and 890 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: pop out. And when I think about how the Chargers 891 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: have been able to do stuff with Austin Ekeler, I'm 892 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: curious to see what's the other running back that now 893 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon has gone. The other running back that comes in. 894 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: How did they slot him, how did they position him, 895 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: how did they utilize him? Because I want Eckler to 896 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: do exactly what he's done in the past. I don't 897 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 1: want to change his job responsibilities, no doubt. I think 898 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: that's a good call. Um, Well, we'll see what happens 899 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: here as these teams continue to build their teams and 900 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: build their position group rooms. Uh, the draft is right 901 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: around the corner. Speaking of which, you can be on 902 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: the lookout for our three sixty series. We do this 903 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: each and every year, we do a deep dive on 904 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,879 Speaker 1: a few players, and this year our first episode that's 905 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: gonna drop. I believe it's gonna be next Thursday. 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