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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Matt and as you know, we

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Speaker 1: a little winter break for us, but we wanted to

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Speaker 1: So we are going to be doing some re releases

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Speaker 1: and the intent behind these is to share some episodes

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Speaker 1: that we just want to shine a light onto some

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Speaker 1: of the best of the year. So this week is

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Speaker 1: my choice, and the next week you're going to hear Bowens,

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Speaker 1: and then the week after that, our producers Ana Hasnie

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Speaker 1: and Becca Ramos have teamed up to choose their top

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Speaker 1: episode of the year. This was not a difficult decision

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Speaker 1: for me at all. I have chosen for the Night

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Speaker 1: with Charlie XCX and here's a little bit about why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can all agree that Bratt

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Speaker 1: was the cultural phenomenon of the year. It just had

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Speaker 1: so much crossover appeal in fashion and music and politics yish, but.

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Speaker 2: Looking back, we did not know that at the time.

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Speaker 1: I remember we got Brat a little bit early and

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Speaker 1: I listened to it the morning of our episode, and

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Speaker 1: I was really struck by the honesty in Charlie's lyrics,

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Speaker 1: the progression in her music like I always am, but

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Speaker 1: there was something really different and special about Brat And

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Speaker 1: if you listen to the episode, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: conversations that we have about you know, the lyrical content

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Speaker 1: and the ideas that she's engaging in. This episode was

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Speaker 1: And then weeks later, obviously, you know, the Lord remix

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Speaker 1: cultural phenomenon that I feel like this had to be

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Speaker 1: the episode that we re released, So I'm super excited

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Speaker 1: to share again with you for the night with Charlie XCX.

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Speaker 1: She also has a lot of interesting, fun things to

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Speaker 1: say about Salt Lakes these last season, so it's kind

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Speaker 1: of reaching back to our last episode with Angie two.

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Speaker 2: But I just felt like this was the perfect episode

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Speaker 2: to share with all of you. And I love Charlie,

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, the Grammys are coming up, so I guess you

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Speaker 1: can consider this a four year consideration ad as well.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know how I feel about BRATT and how it

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Speaker 1: should be taking out of the year. That's just my opinion.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so this is for the night with Charlie

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Speaker 1: XCX WAH. Happy holidays, Thank you all so much. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you in twenty twenty five. Next week is Bowen

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Speaker 1: Yang's pick, but here's Charlie for now.

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Speaker 2: Look mare, oh, I see you my own bowe And

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Speaker 2: look over there is that the culture? Yes, goodness, Woe

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Speaker 1: He's just calling We're off to the races here today

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Speaker 1: we prep British culture, British culture.

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Speaker 2: More to com.

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Speaker 1: I will say I'm a little upset about how much

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Speaker 1: amon milk is in this.

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Speaker 2: we can't see this. This is Duncan Donuts level chicanery.

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Speaker 2: It's pure milk with a little bit of ice coffee.

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Speaker 1: I was going to use the word chicanery two for

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Becca. It looks like chocolate milk. I was

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Speaker 1: I wasn't eight years old in my basement where I

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Speaker 2: What's your merch story, Matt, just with like an artist

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Speaker 2: that you love. My merch story, I'm wearing merchant. We merchant,

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Speaker 2: you the wearer and you the seller. My merch story

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Speaker 2: is I'm also currently wearing merch for drive away dolls.

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Speaker 2: This is Focus Features.

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Speaker 1: Send us this merch and I said, that's cute and

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Speaker 1: I will wear it on the thing.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were going to do this. They

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Speaker 1: After seeing the movie Challengers, I thought three someome cultures

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Speaker 1: don't think it will be an MMF threesome, but we've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I might get so like Dick confused that I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: It moment by moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had two in my life, Uh huh, and

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Speaker 2: I need to know. So let's just all.

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Speaker 1: Communicate and take it moment by moment everyone, And that's

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Speaker 1: sort of our treative Challengers.

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Speaker 2: If you want a little educational video. But again, you

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Speaker 2: never see any three Challengers. You don't see any penetration anyway.

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Speaker 1: Emotionally penetrative, obviously sonically and physically pet and the best

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Speaker 2: If you're listening, this might be offensive to the guests.

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Speaker 2: If you mourn XCX world the way that some of

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Speaker 1: You want and more. You're about to party. We're about

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Speaker 1: And this is what I love about our guest and

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of our guest ballads, ballad like

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Speaker 1: I'm just so excited. The new album, Bratt is coming

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's just doing Brat, Sweat, Brat. Why are

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Speaker 1: We're having fun too good. You are the most fun.

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Speaker 1: You do truly.

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Speaker 2: Intrinsically understand how to make us have fun. So nice,

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Speaker 2: we're having fun on the way. You get a Big

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Speaker 2: Day Baked Day recording that we're gonna release it closer

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Speaker 2: that you're just on solo.

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Speaker 3: No, it's another man, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you who it is.

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Speaker 2: We're going to really burn it out. We were talking

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Speaker 1: you give thoughts on Mary Cosby from your Charlie perspective?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this woman is just She's on the album,

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Speaker 2: But do we love you love her her hair? No,

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Speaker 3: My friend was like, oh, can I sit here at

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, I'm like, that's married legend.

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Speaker 2: you got to You've got to mean girls track on

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Speaker 1: I love this song thank You because it really is

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Speaker 3: Everybody's like like shady. Everybody has like thoughts of all

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Speaker 3: to be so nice all the time, and that's like

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00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: cool if you're like really actually just like chill and nice.

442
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I'm like, I see you see through it,

443
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: and we'll do. I think everything is too sensitive now

444
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 2: to actually who you are.

445
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

446
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 2: Like the media, it's like if people are.

447
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: Watching, they're watching so closely so that you can't really

448
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: get away with like putting on a persona anymore. That's

449
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: like really different from who you are because we see

450
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: so much of it and we're inundated in the discourse

451
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: and et cetera, that like we're ahead of the game

452
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: that you're.

453
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 2: Playing right, and you play it like really well, yeah,

454
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 2: some people do really good team to cover shit up.

455
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: But I feel like, and I mean this on such

456
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: a complimentary level. You, I feel like you've stuck to

457
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: your countiness the whole the whole way through.

458
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 1: Thank you.

459
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's funny. It's like I

460
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 3: think I.

461
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: Can be bitchy. I don't know that I'm a bit right.

462
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: That is a big distinction, you know, like I'm never

463
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 3: going to be horrible to someone for the sake of it,

464
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 3: because it's actually I personally find it a lot harder

465
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: to be like deliberately like emotionally or mean or whatever,

466
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like, And don't get me wrong,

467
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 3: I'm sure I have my bad days. Like I'm not

468
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 3: saying I'm a saint.

469
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: But I'll also just like tell it how it is.

470
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: And I think that gets misconstrued as being mean, but

471
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 3: it's actually just I'm just being real because I don't

472
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: think that it's that interesting to have this sort of

473
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 3: like facade of.

474
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: Like yourself and.

475
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 4: You're all gonna die and I'm just like just.

476
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,479
Speaker 2: Like have fun. I mean, I think this album is

477
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 2: kind of like on this frontline where a lot of

478
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: a lot of artists are doing this now where it

479
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: is like transparency, I'm bringing the fourth wall, Like you're

480
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: singing about a G and Sophie and like like for

481
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 2: the first time probably right and a little way and like, yeah,

482
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: you're being very real about ships, like you're singing. I

483
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: don't want to spoil the rest of the album, but

484
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: like you were singing about things that like are very surprising,

485
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I didn't think she would be

486
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: she would have a song about like I think is

487
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: that I think about it all the time? Yeah fourteen

488
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: is that? Yeah? Yes?

489
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just remember because what track fut.

490
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: Analogy It goes into the last track and I love

491
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 1: the two together because it's such a psych out Like

492
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 1: it's like you're talking about like really weighing things in

493
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 1: your in the way where you are in life, Like

494
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: now is the time when I should maybe really think

495
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: about a family, if that's what I want, Like, is

496
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: it okay with you that I think about this? Like, yeah,

497
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: this occupies a lot of Space and then the next

498
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: song is keys.

499
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I was like, and I was like, is

500
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 7: this her answering it or is this her having fun yeah?

501
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: Or is it both? Like it's it's not.

502
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: The answer because I definitely I don't think I have

503
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: an answer.

504
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have baby, we do cocaine is what

505
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: you're saying.

506
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 4: Totally all brand deal's gone.

507
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 2: That's school.

508
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 4: But no, I don't have an answer.

509
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: But I think it's an interesting question to muse over

510
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: because I mean, do you guys have many friends who

511
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 3: have kids?

512
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: Female friends are really starting I mean like even in

513
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: the past six to eight months, like four or five

514
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: of my friends I've had their.

515
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like one of my friends had her third Wow. Yeah,

516
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 2: oh wow? Is this your friend group?

517
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: I don't have loads of friends who have kids.

518
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I had kind of one, like major friend

519
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: in my life who's a songwriter who had a baby.

520
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 3: She was kind of the inspiration for this song because

521
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: I went to her house to visit her in Stockholm

522
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: with her partner. They've been together for years, but they

523
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: never really were like we're having kids. It just kind

524
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 3: of happened, you know, And then it was so crazy

525
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: going over to their apartment writing songs with them. She's

526
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: wearing the same clothes she always wore, the apartments the same,

527
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: they're exactly the same, we're writing songs, but it's just

528
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 3: like everything is different because she has the key to

529
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: this door that like, I'm not even in the same

530
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 3: room as yet, do you know.

531
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: What I like?

532
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 1: It's almost like they now know something you don't know.

533
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: And it's that wanting that like is driving the question

534
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: in you exactly really interesting.

535
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: Exactly and it's like you don't not to say that

536
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: you can't you know, get the same sort of level

537
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 3: of person. I'm not saying that, but I just I think,

538
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 3: particularly like with her, for me, I was just like, wow,

539
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: like we used to be so similar, and now your worldview,

540
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: even though you're saying all the same things and you're

541
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: the same person, you're also just like completely different because

542
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: you have this new perspective that I can't even really

543
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: begin to understand.

544
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and it's just strange. But does it

545
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: not give you some comfort that like she she's wearing

546
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: the same clothes, nothing about her.

547
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, It's totally comforting. But then it's at the

548
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: same time, it's just like, I mean, missing out like,

549
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: and I think for me, it drives me to this

550
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: place of like, do I want kids? Will I feel

551
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: this new lease of life and this whole new world

552
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: open up?

553
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: If I have kids? Will I feel resentment towards the kid?

554
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: Will I seamlessly be able to do both things and

555
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: exactly the way that I want?

556
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: No?

557
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 3: Probably not unless I like kind of disregard the kid.

558
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Like you want to do an amazing job at both,

559
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: And so I would also if I were in that position.

560
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: I don't I'll ever have children, But if I were, really,

561
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: if it was something that was on my mind, I

562
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: would worry that it would like harm my passion and

563
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: like what I know I'm supposed to do you know

564
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, is it going to change the

565
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: way that I relate to myself as like this person

566
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: who like in your cases out there creating and like

567
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: being this like pop idol? And then I don't know,

568
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: like it would it would change a lot, Like you

569
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: don't know that you're gonna be exactly like your friend

570
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: wearing the same ship talking about the same ship. For

571
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: some people it really changes hard.

572
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: But I feel like you have already been through a

573
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: situation where everything was taken from you in some sense

574
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: with lockdown. Like your response to that was like how

575
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: I'm feeling now? So I feel like if like in

576
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: a big life change situation like that, you already kind

577
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: of I'm not saying what happened exactly that way, but

578
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: you already know that. Like your response would be to

579
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: like keep making true. Yeah, that's pretty interesting. I never

580
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: thought of it like that, Noah, connecting dots. Last time

581
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: I saw you was at SNL and at the Good

582
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: Nights you were like, what's going on after? And I

583
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: was like, there's a horse meat disco? And then I

584
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: almost did you know? I went after you didn't miss much?

585
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: That was that we love horse.

586
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: Meat, you know.

587
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean you know this because you do it. But

588
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot of it's a lot of energy.

589
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: It's late, it's late, but.

590
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: Like the boiler room set looks fucking late. But I

591
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: mean this is like, because when do you end one

592
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: one and then then you go to the funny Mexican restaurant?

593
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Where was it Ro Mexico? What is okay? We rotate,

594
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: we rotate restaurants.

595
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: Why isn't it okay the same place? Why isn't it

596
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: just a better place.

597
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: You know what, do you really roll the dice and can't.

598
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: But like sometimes I'm like where we're going and it's

599
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: either a fuck yes or a calm on?

600
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: But has it? It has been a.

601
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they would I went ROAs Mexico.

602
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: Mexicano was oscar Isaac. I mean I had fun, but

603
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: I had fun. You had a margarita. It was funny

604
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: and you described it as a funny restaurant, and it

605
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: is a very funny restaurant.

606
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. And we love Rose Mexicanos so much. We

607
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: love them, we love them, but we want a table.

608
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: To know it was gone. My brand Mexicano gone. But

609
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: I like Charlie Famously, it's not a budget thing. It

610
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: kind of is like it's getting a slash. I know,

611
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: budget you need to come back when the party is

612
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: at Love and you at Sacks. It's chic. There's there's

613
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: room to walk around. But Charlie famously was the musical

614
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: guest during the Omicron episode where it everyone was gone, right, well,

615
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: can I say can I reveal? Like on the monitors

616
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: on Thursday, like all the writers were fucking screaming because

617
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, it's.

618
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: Like Caroline polojecks here, Christine's here, They're doing new shapes.

619
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: And then like the world missed out on like the

620
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 2: three of you being on the same stage on TV

621
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 2: doing it was that was crazy.

622
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: Gra that was crazy also because yeah, I guess we

623
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: never did that performance that was we had.

624
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: We were on a did you see a sound check?

625
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: We're on a spinning platform, so cool, and like I

626
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: love Caroline and Christine, but my god, that it was crazy,

627
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: like because.

628
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: Guys go crazy on it. It was like.

629
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way, one speed,

630
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: Christine wanted to spin.

631
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: The other way.

632
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't care what platform.

633
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: COVID. It was just like so stressful. It was just

634
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: like a lot, and then we finally figured out. We

635
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: were so feeling so good about it, but like dancing

636
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: on the platform.

637
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: We're not falling over. We like we fucking killed it.

638
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: And then we're literally we were in like we were

639
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: getting ready like.

640
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: And then on Saturday.

641
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was in gum and then

642
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: Caroline was like it's not happening.

643
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean You're not coming

644
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: and she was like no, It's like it's they pulled

645
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: the plug on it.

646
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, entirely, well not my meatball sketch.

647
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: Thank god? Played meat show?

648
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: Was it?

649
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: That was? That was the second show. That was the

650
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: time you came back.

651
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I got a chicken Chicken, I was, I did

652
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: some sketch.

653
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: You were you were you were tricking or repair it.

654
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: You were a parrot. You were a parrot.

655
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was.

656
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Kind of like, oh.

657
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: Well at least I kept that.

658
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: And it was yeah, yeah, wow, a good one though,

659
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: to play chicken with Paul. That's so snl coded.

660
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

661
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: Sketch comedy. Yeah, I was, I was a chicken in

662
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: me ball.

663
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: But then you were. But then the second show you

664
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: did baby and then what what did you do for you?

665
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

666
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Rena wasn't there for Rena was not then.

667
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: But speaking of sons of Towers, Towers holds a very

668
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: special place in my heart because that was where I

669
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: was when Crash came out, the whole album, and I like,

670
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: it was just me in a room listening to that

671
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: whole album. Went to the tour. You were fantastic, And

672
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: I still say that that is the most well behaved

673
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: audience because it's these lovely boys and girls just jump

674
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: up and down the article. No one's like throwing elbows

675
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: in the pit, you know what I mean. Everyone watches

676
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: and they're polite. Angels are polite, But with this, do

677
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: you want them to get a little a little bit more.

678
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: I always want them to get chaotic, like whenever they

679
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: You know, I'm lucky because whenever I bump into like

680
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: a mass group of angels, they're very like.

681
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: Sweet, you know, they like wait in line, they.

682
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: Like have the lids off their sharpie like organized.

683
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: I love it.

684
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's never like like a ship show like I

685
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: saw this TikTok of Paris. Hilton had done like a

686
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: signing and it had got a little hectic and someone

687
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: had like drawn on her like chanel bag, and I

688
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: was just like that. I mean, I'm sure there's like

689
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: there's lots more where it came from, but that is

690
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: really like that's such a bummer.

691
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: That would never happen with the.

692
00:32:53,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: Angel Always, I always travel on a hair left it

693
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: on the plane.

694
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: You did you have my favorite? What's my bad? Because

695
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: you have the banana, you have the line, yes, and

696
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: you have the barreto. Is it the true emotion?

697
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: No?

698
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: No, no, No, that's that's no. What is it? It's

699
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: that I just mixed emotions. You and I have the

700
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: same fragrance.

701
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wearing a lots too late today. It's a

702
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: new I haven't done it before.

703
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: It's at a new thing. Yeah, I've switched and it's

704
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: just like, what are you? I am on Delo Santos

705
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: from Okay, I have that.

706
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: I will say. Bow and Yang really tried to get

707
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: me into Sunday cologne and that was not for me.

708
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: Sunday it's called no, No, it's as well. It's called Sunday.

709
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: Yes, Sunday something rainy Sunday. No, that's much I think

710
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: about Sunday. It's just called Sunday. Sunday Colon Sunday.

711
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: I found and I actually was wearing. It had its

712
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: debut at Coachella on me, and I felt very good

713
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: by the way. You didn't You didn't say me, but

714
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I saw you. Last year went off, people were getting

715
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: people were getting fun, rowdy fun.

716
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: How was Coachella this year? I tell she was fucking great.

717
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: But makes an appearance in the Mean Girls song.

718
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: Yes she does, because because hot girls listen.

719
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 2: To Landa and me girls listen to It's true. It's true.

720
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 4: I feel like any cool, like genuinely cool.

721
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: Girl not only like likes Landad, but like understands like

722
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: the law, like Lana in.

723
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: A really deep way. She's total real.

724
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: She's an art figure.

725
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: She really is something symbolic, something right. Yes, when I

726
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: was hearing that song, I was like, I see this girl. Yeah, yeah,

727
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: you see her.

728
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, she like smokes skinny cigarette and being.

729
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: Being she's a little le Yes, she's a little bit

730
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: like she's got a vocal, fry vocal.

731
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: But it doesn't feel dated. It feels very good on her. Absolutely,

732
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: And I will say being at.

733
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Coachella around seventy five thousand of those girls, yeah, was

734
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: a good vibe cool. And I wasn't sure about her

735
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: doing the Friday night because I felt like that should

736
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: be a party. Like in my head, I was like

737
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: switch Dojah and Lana. Put Lana on Sunday night, Dojah

738
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: will get everything started. And then now having seen it,

739
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm like everything was exactly it was, Yes.

740
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you go? I didn't gone. I've never been

741
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: never been what people do with your music, though, I

742
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: think like, if we're gonna compare Lana heads to like Angels,

743
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: and people like really like love you. I feel like

744
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: you get people to like do the digging of like

745
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, like it's this there's this whole album

746
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: that you know, like they they really start to like

747
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: dig through the crate. And I think people love to

748
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: like take your stuff, all the stamms whatever, and then

749
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: just like rearrange it and like they they have fun

750
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 2: with the building blocks that you're giving. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

751
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: I think my music is like intrinsically like for the night. Yes,

752
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, you can't listen to it in the day.

753
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,919
Speaker 3: You can in the car like whatever, but generally it's

754
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: like the best time.

755
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: I remember, like I saw you at the will Turn

756
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: a few years ago and just like what was happening

757
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: on stage was so great and one of my favorite

758
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: songs of yours is I Don't Want to Know, and

759
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: like I just like you had this like really cool

760
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: purple light just like I don't know, just like you're

761
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: not like synesthetic, are you?

762
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: I I could tell yeah, someone like got into your

763
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: face was like you're not actually.

764
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I just it's like one of those

765
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: things where you know, like when you do your first

766
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: interviews and it's like one of the first things you've

767
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: ever said.

768
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: And then like it follows it's people are like she's synesthetic,

769
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: test her, but you actually experience that.

770
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for me it's like really helpful with writing.

771
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I'm writing, I'm like, this song is purple

772
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: like and then I'll be like, hey, gee, you make

773
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: the purple.

774
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this question about like, when

775
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: you sit down to write a song, is it like

776
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: because it feels like equal parts important and obviously it is,

777
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: but I guess my question is is it the sounds

778
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: and like where you're going sonically that dictates what something

779
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: is going to be about, or do you come in

780
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: with an emotion that you need to get up?

781
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,959
Speaker 3: With this record, it's been very much that I came

782
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: in with what I wanted to say, whereas on previous

783
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: records it's not actually really been like this.

784
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: With this record, it's been so lyrically led.

785
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: Like I've been like I want to write a song

786
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: about my kind of sticky relationship with my mom and dad,

787
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: which was apple, or like I want to write the

788
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: song about not being sure ever I want to have kids,

789
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: or you know, like it's been very like it's there,

790
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: it's in my head, like mean girls kind of like

791
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: piecing that around like a few different girls I know,

792
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: and thinking about like qualities that they have and putting

793
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: that in a song three sixty.

794
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Luck and your bookends are there, it's thanks, yeah.

795
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: And with that it was very like, Okay, I want

796
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: to talk about me like being the like a sonic

797
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: reference for people, but through the like lens of Julia

798
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: kind of being the like New York like it girl,

799
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: street fashion girl that everybody's referencing, you know.

800
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: Julia Fox meaning yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

801
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: So it was like very specific and then kind of

802
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: fun to build out these like pop songs that hopefully

803
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: like a lot of people can relate to, but they're

804
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: coming from like quite a specific idea.

805
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: Right in place. And why do you think it didn't

806
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: happen with the other albums. It just like wasn't the

807
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: way it was.

808
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: I think I was writing very much like the way

809
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 3: I would write on previous records.

810
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: We would build a track.

811
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: And then I would get on the microphone and literally

812
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: be like and then I would figure out the lyrics

813
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: that fit the vowel sounds I was kind of making.

814
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: So there was already this sort of like map of

815
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: sound that you know, I was trying.

816
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: To fit words to you're saying, this is lyrically.

817
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: Where lyrically love and not really focusing too much on

818
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: rhyme or worrying about like what fits within a stanza

819
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 3: or anything like that.

820
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: You know.

821
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: So actually, just I was really able to kind of

822
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: just write lyrics I would actually say in a conversation

823
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: rather than crafting them into this sort of like song

824
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: version of what I would.

825
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: Say, and even like melodically in the way that like

826
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: the song forms around is like even with girls so confusing,

827
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: it's girl, you know what I mean, Like there's something

828
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: there that's the melody, like the way you.

829
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: Really say it, like I want to do this, you

830
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you know, it's just like

831
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: it's like it feels.

832
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: Like it's born out of something you want to say

833
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: yes this time, and to hear that you say that

834
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: is yeah, it works.

835
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: But back on this thing of like I think this

836
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: is like extremely transparent in the way and it is

837
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: like holding up this mirror because like the worshack test

838
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: of this album is the cover and everyone having all

839
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 2: these opinions about like the care right and it's in

840
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 2: your and I think you kind of threw it back

841
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: of people in a nice way where you're like, no,

842
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: this is actually like this completely reveals what you think

843
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: like pop really should appear and how they should put

844
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: out their work and stuff like that, which I think

845
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 2: is great. But I think with the content of the album,

846
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: it's more about like guys, like I think about like

847
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: easy dark shit about my career. I'm not putting words

848
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: in your mouth, but it's like, I think it is

849
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: your most vulnerable album because you are being very honest

850
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: about like how you regard yourself in a way that

851
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: would have never occurred to me. You know, like there

852
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: are allusions to like your career being in this in

853
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: between and I'm like, oh, like six albums in like

854
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: you feel that way, yeah, totally.

855
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: Well, I just it's I think there aren't many people

856
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: who have a path that I have that there are,

857
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: Robin being one, and I think that's why there's a

858
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: lot of like synergy between the two of us. But

859
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: you know, somebody who had speaking about Robin now huge

860
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: commercial success, yes, right at the beginning of her career, yes,

861
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: and then kind of had to like rebrand and then

862
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 3: became this kind of gay icon, kind of.

863
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: Like Girl of the Night. No, that sounds wrong, but you.

864
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: Know, like nighttime music like club like always no matter

865
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 3: what she does, is always going to be kind of

866
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: like looked upon as like a really important artist who's

867
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: kind of like treading new ground and.

868
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: You know, kind of like timeless.

869
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, we share similarities in that,

870
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, not my first music, but music for my

871
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 3: second record was globally like commercially successful. But at that

872
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: point of time, for me, I didn't really have my

873
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 3: artistry kind of totally figured out in the way that

874
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: I feel that I do have now. I mean, there

875
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: were definitely like good through threads, but when I look

876
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: at for example, like Sour Olivia Rodriguez, I'm like, oh,

877
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: I wish i'd done Sucker kind of like that, like

878
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: because I think there are parallels within those universes. But

879
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: I think she just did it better because I think

880
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: she I don't know, I don't think I knew myself

881
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: that well at that point in time when I was

882
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: doing that record, and I look at some of the

883
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: decisions she made and I'm like, oh wow, it's like

884
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: still really like pop and kind of like touching on

885
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 3: this like live like punkish stuff, but it's done in

886
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: a way that to me is still very cool. Whereas

887
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: I feel like when I look back on Soccer, there

888
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: at elements of it that I'm like, oh, that was

889
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 3: just a bit annoying.

890
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: Shing, you know what I mean. I've told you though,

891
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: that like True Romance is still the perfect I don't

892
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: know how you feel about that album, but it's like

893
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: I feel like that is still for Charlie. That is

894
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: still like that's the through throughout, that's the thing, And

895
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: like I still listen to So Far Away and I'm like,

896
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: this is fundamentally the same stuff she's putting it, she's

897
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: put out through her whole career, and like that is

898
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: like music of the Night where it's like it's like

899
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: the beginnings of like bedroom pop, this whole thing now

900
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: that has this whole you know, life and culture around it.

901
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: Like I think you really broke ground in that way

902
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: with it, Like yeah, Sucker is its own thing and

903
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: that must been so strange and so complicated, but it's

904
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: still a great record, The True Romance. I think it's

905
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: still like you you can always always fall back on

906
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 2: that first record is like yeah, I love that record.

907
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: I love that record. But yeah, anyways, I think it's

908
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: like it's just interesting. My career hasn't been like a

909
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: to be It's been like kind of it's like a

910
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: weird JPQ.

911
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: To and it's like straddling this like commercial thing also

912
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: being a songwriter, also being linked to the underground, disregarding

913
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: that and coming back and you know, it's a mess.

914
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: It's not a mess. It's that I think. I'm sure

915
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: you nice way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People don't have that

916
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: trajectory anymore because we're so afree to take the risk,

917
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: whether from the label or from the artists themselves. Like

918
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: I think you have been so good about using whatever

919
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: the apparatus is, whatever you have within you just like

920
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: make it. Like that's like that's how I'm feeling now.

921
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: Is to me, it's like, yeah, you just fucking made it,

922
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

923
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: You have had these like when you describe it as

924
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: a mass, it is interesting because it's like there's these

925
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: spikes of like these mainstream moments, like going back to

926
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: like boom Clap like that, being in like love Simon.

927
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: Like that was.

928
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 7: But I guess that's what it's like that kind of

929
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 7: was our fault. They they're still gay though, but like that, And.

930
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: Then I remember it was a few years ago now,

931
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: but we were in the Fire Island movie, and when

932
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: we found out that the Boys remix was going to

933
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: be in our trailer, I was like, thank God, because

934
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: this is going to get across like the fun of this.

935
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: It's going to make it seem even more fun than

936
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: it is like and also just like there was something

937
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: about doesn't that song also start promising young women?

938
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

939
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Like so it's just like there are these like moments

940
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: in like big mainstream that like you're right there, and

941
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: so I wonder how do you feel when something is

942
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: perceived on that level?

943
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: Is that like an exciting thing or is it a

944
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: little bit like.

945
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: H no, no, I feel good about it. It's like, okay,

946
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: I think because there are some things you mentioned that

947
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 3: so like Fire Island promising young woman, those things feel

948
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: really exciting to me and inspiring and happy to be

949
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: involved in them. But I think it's like what I've learned,

950
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: like going back and forth between this kind of like

951
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: more commercial version of myself to this kind of more

952
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 3: I'm really just leading with like what's in my brain

953
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: and my you know, instinct.

954
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: I've just learned now from doing it, So.

955
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: I can't like fake. I just can't like fake pushing

956
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: the commercial button.

957
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: Likely. I can't. I can't do it. I can't like

958
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: and that's no disrespect to the people who do.

959
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: Some people are just like made to like live in

960
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: that world and like they want to make the music

961
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 3: that it's going to like really succeed in that world.

962
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: And it's really hard to succeed in that world.

963
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: Like I'm not taking that away from anyone, but like,

964
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: I just can't do it because when I've written those

965
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: songs and I put them out, it's like they only

966
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: go so far because I think there's a block that

967
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: the fans see as well.

968
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: They're just like, she's not that girl. Like that's not

969
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 4: who she really is.

970
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,479
Speaker 2: She's not that girl.

971
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: Like some of them can, like maybe a less hardcore

972
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: fan can get down with it, but it's like, you know,

973
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: it's just like when you smell a rat or whatever.

974
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: It's like, I have to just be yourself. Myself in

975
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: the milk ain't clean. Yes, when you're not being yourself.

976
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: And I can't fucking nor should you have to. I

977
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: can't do because it makes me miserable.

978
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: You have to sing that music every night.

979
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I think it was Dua who said we were just

980
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: talking to her about her album and she we were

981
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: talking about this like theme that she has of like positivity,

982
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: and the messages that she has are usually like up

983
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, I have to sing it every

984
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: fucking night. So if it's gonna be something that's in

985
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: my mouth every single night, it better tastes good, like

986
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

987
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: Like it's so funny because I'm the opposite of Yeah,

988
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 3: really like if I had to sing really overly positives

989
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: like boom clap is a good example.

990
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: Obviously, it's so different from like.

991
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: Radical optimism, like completely different sounding records, et cetera. But

992
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: like that's funny that she says that, and that makes

993
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: sense for her because she is I think she is

994
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: always really kind of like seizing like the positivity in life.

995
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: I kind of like to dwell in the Yeah, to

996
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 4: kind of like sit in the ship.

997
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: And externalize that because that is also a valid emotion

998
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: that people out there are.

999
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: I have to do it, I could. Yeah, that's so

1000
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: that's really interesting. Yeah. Yeah, But like I feel that

1001
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: this is like just like like the pendulum, like.

1002
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: A vision of like me performing Radical Optimism and doing

1003
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: Brat Brat being like three six five putty girl, and

1004
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: then me doing Yeah and like both of us like

1005
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: being on our like the versions of what those tours are.

1006
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: And I want to see that how is that? How's

1007
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: how's it going down? This is? But this is how

1008
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: you know that? Like you're doing the right thing?

1009
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Is that?

1010
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: Like you Yeah, Like we love Doua.

1011
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: It would be crazy if she did three sixty, and

1012
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: it would be kind of crazy if you did Radical Optimists.

1013
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: It's like you are doing the thing you were meant

1014
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: to do. It is purely externalized from whatever your inner

1015
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: life is.

1016
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: And I feel like you're what you're saying is maybe

1017
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: the pendulums stops swinging, like you've landed in this nice

1018
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: space of like I'm in between or I'm more of

1019
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: this one thing than I am this thing, And like

1020
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: I feel like reflective surfaces are a big part of

1021
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: this album. That you look at the mirror, you see

1022
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: me like and you're holding up a mirror to society,

1023
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: the reflective but like it.

1024
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: Use it like a mirror, like a mirror. We had

1025
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: asked Charlie the question, yes we do. So this is

1026
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: the central question of last culture. It's what was the

1027
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture is for you? You

1028
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: can look back and be like, I am largely me

1029
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: because of this thing I experienced.

1030
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: I think it was and maybe this is not its

1031
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: very surprising, but I think it was like the London

1032
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: rave scene and that like culture of like London warehouse

1033
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 3: policies that I kind of came up through because that

1034
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: sort of in turn put me very onto kind of

1035
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: like club kids stuff.

1036
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: When I was younger and when I was in art school,

1037
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 2: I was always kind of like in this sort of

1038
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: like Lee Bowery like buyer, like Michael Alec kind of yeah,

1039
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: but still there was a cool scene.

1040
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like those parties, like that level of yes, totally

1041
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: and that level of kind of like diy esthetic with

1042
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 3: clothes and music.

1043
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: And yeah, I think that really formed who I am.

1044
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: How did you find it?

1045
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 3: I think it was from starting going to these parties

1046
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: because when that.

1047
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 4: Must have been like two thousand and seven and eight.

1048
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: When I was going in London I was young. I

1049
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: would go with my parents, Oh wow, which was not cool.

1050
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: But were you guys like in Essex going to Yeah, yeah,

1051
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: they would drive me.

1052
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: I would get asked ahead of my space, and I

1053
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: knew this like promoter who was like come and play

1054
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: and we would like drive into London and I would

1055
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: play at like three am.

1056
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: Being booked for these yeah, it was being booked.

1057
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that was kind of my first like look

1058
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 3: into kind of night life and like party culture at

1059
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: that point in time.

1060
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 4: I guess it was like our version of Indie Sleeves.

1061
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: It was New Rave, which was like you know for sure, Yeah,

1062
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 3: And so that was sort of like a kind of

1063
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: regurgitation of you know, all the prior like first second

1064
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: wave of club kids that were coming before. So I

1065
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 3: kind of just got sort of like sucked in through

1066
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: that way.

1067
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: But like and then you learned about the prior wave,

1068
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 2: it felt like education. There was some like rooting for this.

1069
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it just kind of came about of nowhere,

1070
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: like you had a history to like, yeah, I had.

1071
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 4: I had to soak in the history because I wanted

1072
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 4: to understand.

1073
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: Like what Michael Atlck was doing and what like that

1074
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: original like club scene and like those club kids were

1075
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: doing back here in New York and those levels of

1076
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: like crazy parties they would throw like they threw one

1077
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: on a bridge where all they like shut both ends

1078
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 3: of the bridge and like you know, just this like

1079
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: lore of like partying and how that kind of like

1080
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: spawned into music and then began to kind of create

1081
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: like new sounds of music.

1082
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: I think that it's like such a rich thing thing

1083
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: for me. Yeah yeah, yeah, like like you like at

1084
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: the Limelight would have been so fucking imagine. Yeah, wild.

1085
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: But that's where do you live now? Do you do

1086
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: you still like I'm half in La and half in London. Yeah,

1087
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: back and forth La out of necessity or.

1088
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: Do you like it?

1089
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 2: I am beginning to maybe be over it. I've been

1090
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: there for ten years. That feels like that feels like

1091
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: double yeah, the amount of time it would take over it. Yeah,

1092
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about New York. Actually, I think New York.

1093
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: I lived here. I think New York is New York

1094
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 2: and London.

1095
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: Like I guess, like if you were someone who wanted

1096
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: two different experiences in the two places you live, Like

1097
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to rest, meaning LA, and

1098
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: I'm here because I want to be included in what's

1099
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: going on and like the culture that's London, but like

1100
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: New York is New York.

1101
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. If we can rest in New York.

1102
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 2: I love London too. Did you love performing at Coachella?

1103
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: I was, honestly so scarce.

1104
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: Was it scary yeah, because you know with stage Yeah,

1105
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: and everyone was like, it's all about the live stream.

1106
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: Everyone's like about the live stange. That made me kind

1107
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: of treat them.

1108
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: On like TV. Oh was that helpful?

1109
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: Now?

1110
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: Well, I was happy with.

1111
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: How it looked and how I sounded because I was

1112
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: thinking so much about the broadcast.

1113
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: But it definitely like was just stressful. That wasn't a

1114
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: major you know, it was a major change.

1115
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: I remember we saw Chapel in the Golbie tent and

1116
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: then right after that we walked over to Sabrina Carpenter

1117
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: on the Coachella stage, and I remember.

1118
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: It felt like the energy was lower.

1119
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: But then I was like, oh, but on this stage

1120
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: they're thinking about the live stream, whereas in like the

1121
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: Golby and Sahar tents, they're just giving.

1122
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: A live show and it feels like that.

1123
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Like, so the live experience does feel I would imagine,

1124
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: and like more alive there, and maybe as the performer

1125
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: it feels more connected, whereas like on the Coachella stage

1126
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: where you were, it is a lot about like they're

1127
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: watching it at home.

1128
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it was scary. Yeah that's okay. I mean what

1129
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: would I was having the best? Lee? You used to

1130
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 2: do these like videos, these little short films of him

1131
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: like teaching you how to like have tea. Like he

1132
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: was just so adorable people don't talk about with Lee

1133
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: Bowry is like, yeah, it's like the looks and all

1134
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: these things, but it's like at his heart he was

1135
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: just like sensitive Australian Australian may I got confused to

1136
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: as a bread But you know, maybe maybe you're right,

1137
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: Maybe you're right. No, we can't look it up. I hope,

1138
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: I hope you're both wrong. But like, did it take you? Like,

1139
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: was there a developmental thing for you to like grow

1140
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: up in that and then be like I'm gonna like

1141
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: do you like I'm gonna make this like part of me.

1142
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: I don't think it was a choice. I think it's

1143
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: like it just I gravitated so hard towards it. I

1144
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: think it was like I saw elements of myself in

1145
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 3: what was being created in the world that I was

1146
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: looking into. There was there was like a punkness and

1147
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: like a kind of freeness, and it felt that there

1148
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 3: was like a possibility to be a little messy and

1149
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 3: not perfect and not look a certain type of a

1150
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 3: way to still be able to express yourself and feel

1151
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 3: really like validated or something.

1152
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: And I think I was searching for.

1153
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 6: That a lot when I was growing up, and that

1154
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 6: that could be a version of success is just going

1155
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 6: there and participating and being in the culture and being

1156
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 6: around people that make you feel good and not this

1157
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 6: like more calculated metric of like, well did this happen?

1158
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 2: Did you look like this right?

1159
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 4: And be rewarded for being a freak?

1160
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 3: I think that was I think that was something that

1161
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 3: really like made me like gravitate towards that world, because

1162
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: that was what was like celebrated if you would like

1163
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: really like wearing something like weird or like you know

1164
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 3: what I mean, or like you got attention, you got

1165
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 3: like something, yeah, right, I was like, Oh, that's cool,

1166
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to be this kind of traditional

1167
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 3: version of beauty or talent or like whatever it is.

1168
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 3: It's that you can kind of make a fantasy and

1169
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: it be valid even if it's like a little fucked.

1170
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: And ugly, you know, or whatever that's your rout though,

1171
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 2: Like that's why it's like you don't have to worry

1172
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: about being like the moral model for anything. It's like

1173
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 2: just like let that shit go because you started out

1174
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: in this like environment where like it didn't really matter.

1175
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: Like nightlife culture is about like unrepressed everything. It's just

1176
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: like humanity revealing itself and being so like, no, I

1177
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: love it, you know what I mean? And I love it.

1178
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: It's so interesting. Have you done Mighty Hoopolo? I have

1179
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 2: been to Mighty Hooplo. I don't don't want that. Things

1180
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: like big queer, Like it's like a weird.

1181
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: When is that?

1182
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: Four times? What's that? What's that? There's a park that's Victoria.

1183
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: I haven't done it.

1184
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: You haven't done it, no problem, but it's like it's

1185
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: like a teeny tiny coach but in London with all

1186
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: queer Jason.

1187
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: That's so yeah, it's fed. It's fucked in a crazy way.

1188
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: Excited for tour, I am. Have you guys been wanting

1189
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: to tour together? It feels like such a natural. Yeah,

1190
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: you know, we have the same manager.

1191
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 3: Our manager has been trying to get us to talk

1192
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: together for years and every time we're like, yeah, like

1193
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: obviously we love each other. But I think the music

1194
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: has never quite lined up, and now it's like so

1195
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: lining up.

1196
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1197
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: So this time when our manager like for like literally

1198
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: the fifth time, was like, you guys want to together,

1199
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: we were like, yeah, we do because it really made sense.

1200
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: Could see how it would really like flow and work together. Yeah,

1201
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: sung together, I think so.

1202
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: Were to be honest, we're still putting it together. But

1203
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: I think that yes, it's what people. Yeah, I mean,

1204
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,959
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be like a full

1205
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: Medley situation, but there's definitely going to be a few moments.

1206
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: You guess. I did see you guys. I think it

1207
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: was also at the will Turn like it was just

1208
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: you guys were on the same show. Yeah, it was

1209
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: a festival that I think we both did together. Yeah,

1210
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: because I remember just thinking that I forget festival.

1211
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: That maybe was Troy's invention, but maybe it was also

1212
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: my mind.

1213
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: But I don't remember. He totally did every year he did. Yeah, yeah,

1214
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: well it's going to be it's gonna be.

1215
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: Wait, people were freaking out, yes situation, which is always

1216
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: a good feeling when it's like.

1217
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: Tickets, I know. So yeah, we're so happy. We're really happy.

1218
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun. It's like pretty quick. Huh, I don't.

1219
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: It's like a couple of months, right, It's like not

1220
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: even is it like five weeks? Okay? Where is it

1221
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: in New York? Is it m S G y? Obviously

1222
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really fun. And you know I've paid

1223
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: top dollar for you, like I don't anymore. Yeah, I'll

1224
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: take it. I'll take it.

1225
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: I did hear a story one time of I won't

1226
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: say any details until after, but there was an artist

1227
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: who was in a big feud with this other famous

1228
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: person and the famous person reached out like years after

1229
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: to like get tickets to a show, and the person

1230
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: just sent back a ticket link and said buy one.

1231
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 3: I love.

1232
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: All right, So it's time for I don't think so many, okay,

1233
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: and I just know.

1234
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna pop the fuck off. So this is this

1235
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: is our sixty second segment where we drag name cultural item.

1236
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 5: Here.

1237
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: I walked into this myself today. Uh it's my own fault,

1238
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: but I am gonna okay, here we are there's some

1239
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 2: self accountability. Yes, is Matt Rodgers. I don't think some

1240
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: of these time starts. I don't think so, honey. Wearing

1241
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: a graphic tea on the subway in New York. Because

1242
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: here's the thing.

1243
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 1: People are gonna read it, and then they were gonna

1244
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: engage with it, and then you're trapped with them for

1245
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: what could be as much as a half hour. So

1246
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: today I have a shirt on that says, is it

1247
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a threesome? I'm challengers coded my whole life

1248
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: right now. This is merch from Focused Features. Thank you again,

1249
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: Driveway Dolls and for Driveaway Dolls. Haven't seen it yet,

1250
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: but Wade's sister. I just know that I was on

1251
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: the subway today with a gentleman who could read the

1252
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: shirt and did out loud, and so then he was

1253
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: engaging with it. He caused everyone to turn and I said,

1254
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe if I hadn't worn a shirt

1255
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: with words on it that could be read, I wouldn't

1256
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: be having a conversation at all, least of all about threesomes.

1257
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: And this person was not necessarily someone I wanted to

1258
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: engage with about threesomes.

1259
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 2: If you know, if you see me wearing this and

1260
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: you think we would vibe, I don't know. Maybe I

1261
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: will be wearing it the whole rest of today. This

1262
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: episode comes out in like three weeks, but I'll wear

1263
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: it again.

1264
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: Actually, yes, today this episode is released, I'm gonna be

1265
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: walking the streets and you're wearing.

1266
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: It, say hi, but not if you're like a crazy

1267
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: person on the STU. And that's one minute. So that's

1268
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 2: my I don't think on today. Very so good, Thank you,

1269
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to You're gonna be so good. We all

1270
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: we all know you talk super fast? Do I recording media?

1271
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: You go?

1272
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something like in a way now,

1273
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you know way that It's like, oh,

1274
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: you mean in song? I'm just saying your we know

1275
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: you can get, you can hit, you can rip. You

1276
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean in that way? Is that like

1277
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: a problems? Yeah, everyone's thinking about Charlie's. They're like, yeah,

1278
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: she just talks too fast.

1279
01:01:59,360 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: It wasn't so fa.

1280
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.

1281
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, like, I've heard that album. I

1282
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: know that, I know that you can keep up the tempo.

1283
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: I understand speaking of tempo, you're ready to fucking do this? Yeah, okay,

1284
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: so this is Villa Yang's I don't think so, honey.

1285
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: As time starts now, I don't think so, honey, pubic hair,

1286
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: Why is it looking different down there than up here?

1287
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: I look like miss Frizzle got a dye job, and

1288
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm curly, curly curly, and I wish I could get

1289
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: a perm up here and make my give myself a

1290
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: little swoop. My pubic hair is so tightly coiled down there,

1291
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: and when you see it on the bathroom floor, you go,

1292
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: oh no, that is not something I want to see.

1293
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: And it's if you're living alone like me, it's just you.

1294
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 2: I don't like how I don't like it. I don't

1295
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: like what it says about me. I think pubic hair

1296
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: like either. When you have it, it's like, oh, let's

1297
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 2: let's shear it, and then when you don't have it,

1298
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 2: it's like sheer, well, now.

1299
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: You look like a fucking mole rat. There's between second.

1300
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: Why can't we just stay there?

1301
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: And I'm as sure as helling are removing it because

1302
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: it's like because, like I said, if it's gone, it

1303
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: looks even crazier than if it is. A five seconds

1304
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: but it's a jungle, and I have a really crazy situation.

1305
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why it's different down there. It is

1306
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 2: in body hair all supposed to be the same, and

1307
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: that's what minute.

1308
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: You are the only person I believe in history to

1309
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: say you wish what was down there, You wish your

1310
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: pubic hare was on your head.

1311
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 2: I just wanted to go both ways. If my hair

1312
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: on my head looked pubic, I'd be like, well, at

1313
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: least it's consistent, right, This is so shocking. First of all,

1314
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: laser hair removal on your pubic area, asshole. Maybe some

1315
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: people do it.

1316
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,479
Speaker 1: The guys I've been hooking up with lately don't seem

1317
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: to care at all about maintaining it down there, right,

1318
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: or maybe they just think they don't care what I think. Yeah,

1319
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: I think it has been so wild and free you

1320
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: as I think, no matter your gender. It's like there

1321
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: is not a great way to manage it, like period.

1322
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: Well maybe it's also because I'm hooking up with like

1323
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: men that are my age in their thirties and not

1324
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: like just giving up. This isn't like when you're in

1325
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: fresh in your twenties and everyone thinks like, oh, I

1326
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: should like manscape or whatever, or like really keep it

1327
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: clean down there. It's like give it a rest, girl,

1328
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: Like we're all just trying to live life. When no

1329
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: one cares that you're a hairy one.

1330
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: No one cares. But I bet your people cares thrilling,

1331
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: it's freshly shorn. Why you have plans later? No, I

1332
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 2: just it was getting out of hand and I am

1333
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: in that liminal space now where I'm like, this sucks. No,

1334
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm actually okay, I'm moisturizing cool down there.

1335
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: I guess I should use I should try my purple

1336
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: shampoo for my blonde get blonde pube.

1337
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: Do my heart just skipped me something, You're like, just

1338
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: speak the truth. This is Charlie Xx's I don't think

1339
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 2: so many of your time starts now, Okay, I don't

1340
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: think so, honey.

1341
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 3: I'm actually coming for a group of people, these people

1342
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 3: who have this stuck up I roll the attitude towards

1343
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 3: reality TV, you know what I mean. Back to the

1344
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: beginning of our conversation, what is not to love? I

1345
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 3: feel like there is such a high low conundrum to

1346
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 3: reality TV that just makes me want to sink my

1347
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 3: teeth in. Whether it be our favorite Housewives for Salt

1348
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: Lake City Potomac also heard, also heard it's pretty good,

1349
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: but also what about some other amazing shows below Deck,

1350
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 3: below Deck, Down Under Below Decks, Sailing Yard, below Deck,

1351
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: Mediterranean Love Island, Australia, British heard the US wasn't that good.

1352
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: But anyway, I just think that there is such a psychology,

1353
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: such a wonderful, amazing world to delve into on reality TV.

1354
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 3: It's like the factory. It's absolutely fabulous. Just keep it

1355
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: coming and don't judge it.

1356
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: And I don't think still, honey, the world there. Reality

1357
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: TV is not trash. It's not trash.

1358
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: It's all it's art. You watched Sweat during that, Oh

1359
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 3: my god, I was like sweated and look, but that's

1360
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 3: like a.

1361
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: Good sign like we had. It was just like, oh

1362
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 2: my god, wait to clearvoid come in recently and he

1363
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: when he sweats, he means it's the spirit movie. It's

1364
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: like energy is moving through. That's what's happened. Amazing.

1365
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should watch Couple's Therapy. Oh, it's so good

1366
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: with around.

1367
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: She is the sexiest. She so sexy. Do you want

1368
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: to be here? I love her and what just happened here?

1369
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 2: I love just a tiny little what and what's and

1370
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 2: what what was? She's like talk about this, She's amazing.

1371
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you watched it. I love her. I

1372
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: think her fashion is incredible. It just cheat.

1373
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, her apartment's really cool.

1374
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you gotten to the lockdown stuff yet where

1375
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: they bring the cameras into her apartment because she's doing

1376
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: all of it through like tell her. So you see

1377
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: her apartment and it's like kind of messy in a

1378
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: very charming way. She's got our kids running her round?

1379
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: How many kishses does she have to? I think she's

1380
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: so fast. I love is when she speaks to her therapist.

1381
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, real, yeah, Virginia, Virginia's fron coat.

1382
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: She's a real super sar. But you've finished it all

1383
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: the way through, there's like, I mean, whatever we want

1384
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: to talk about. There's there's really Palestinian queer couple that's amazing.

1385
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: And then like and then Order is like when she

1386
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: finds out that one of them is Palestinian and she goes,

1387
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'm from Israel, right, and then order like

1388
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: blessed like is like on socials being like this is

1389
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 2: crazy anyway, but you should watch it all the way through.

1390
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: You would love it. I hon't wait. But that's between

1391
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 2: like that's not quite reality. It's not quite documentary, right.

1392
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: It's like they know they're being filmed, but they can't

1393
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: see the cameras.

1394
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 3: I think they've done that. Shut by I have no

1395
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 3: idea how long we have left, but I'm like, please don't.

1396
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 3: We could do a whole episode on this. I feel

1397
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: like they've shot that show in a really tasteful way. Yes,

1398
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 3: and I hope it never changes, you know.

1399
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 2: What you want to what it is.

1400
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: It's like you can tell that well, obviously it's all

1401
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: hit and that's like part of it, but it's still

1402
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: really elevated the way they shoot it. And I just

1403
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: what I love is that they seem to catch micro

1404
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: emotions like it's really like intentionally edited, and I believe

1405
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: it's like really smartly done through her lens. Yeah, because

1406
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 1: we're making a joke about like what was that? We

1407
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: saw it too, you know what I mean? And also

1408
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: it has to be so crazy like to be in

1409
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: those sessions and then watch it after because it's also

1410
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: an edited version of that session. That would also maybe

1411
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a complex like why

1412
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: am I being edited this way and not that way?

1413
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: Like I can't understand saying yes to that, but I'm

1414
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: so thrilled that people do me too.

1415
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite couple or most nice?

1416
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: Like the young queer couple, Like they were really young

1417
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 1: and they had been in a relationship for like three

1418
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: years sort of formatively, and one of them wanted to

1419
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: be in an open relationship and the other did not

1420
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: or was adjusting to that. And I think ultimately what

1421
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: they had to really figure out and admit to each

1422
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: other was that they were not.

1423
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 2: Right for each other.

1424
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: For watching that play out was heartbreaking, and I just

1425
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: hope that they could still figure it out to be

1426
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: in each other's lives, because that's I think the hardest

1427
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: thing about when a relationship ends is it's like I

1428
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: don't want to lose you as the person, you know

1429
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: like that, And I thought that was just like a

1430
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: beautiful illustration and like.

1431
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: You know, examination of that kind of thing, like I

1432
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: love you more than anything. This is not right. Do

1433
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 2: you have a favorite? Yeah? Mine is also season one.

1434
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 4: It was the kind of like very sort of setting

1435
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 4: his ways quite sexy.

1436
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I know you're talking about man. Yeah.

1437
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, the woman who was sort of willing to try anything,

1438
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 3: and he was just he would like get up during

1439
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 3: the session and walk around.

1440
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: I can't stand it, and he was just like being

1441
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: like very controlling. But his story is interesting.

1442
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: His story was so wild that woman like fucked him

1443
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: when he was like fourteen, tied into a.

1444
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 4: Bed and yeah, so the way it came out again

1445
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 4: could be the edit.

1446
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: We don't know.

1447
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 3: It was just sort of like they'd done like four

1448
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 3: or five sessions. Yeah, nothing was really like going anywhere.

1449
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 3: And then one day he's just like, well, you know

1450
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:15,879
Speaker 3: there was that time where I got tied.

1451
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: To a bed, Like Awna is like what really, Yeah,

1452
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: it's just like he just like throws it in out

1453
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: of nowhere. Yeah that's real though, that's a real therapy ship. Yeah,

1454
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: there's no like easing into it. Sometimes it just kind

1455
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: of you drop it off.

1456
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: Well, you get the sense that he either was just

1457
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: as stubborn controlling with like releasing that information as he

1458
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: is in the immediate thing, or I think some guys

1459
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,440
Speaker 1: that are like that just don't understand that affected.

1460
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 2: Them in that way. I mean, who knows, but I

1461
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: was under the impression that maybe he just like wasn't there.

1462
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1463
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1464
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: But then the thing that was really interesting about them

1465
01:10:55,640 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: was then Awna would go and speak to her therapist

1466
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: about how she was getting very triggered specifically by him,

1467
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: and that was like this extra dynamic that was really interesting,

1468
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 3: and she was kind of talking about how she needed

1469
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,839
Speaker 3: to make sure she was providing like fair and equal counsel,

1470
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 3: but she was like so annoyed by him.

1471
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is interesting. I think there's multiple like people

1472
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: like this, Like he's one of the people who says her,

1473
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: I could do your job. Yeah, I really I couldn't

1474
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 2: believe that. Do you imagine the gall Do you have

1475
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 2: a favorite couple? I like, there's a couple of season

1476
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: two that's really great. It's two men. One of them

1477
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 2: is a ballet dancer. One of them, Oh, they were great.

1478
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: They were great, and then one of them had a

1479
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: really horroring journey with like sobriety, and then then the

1480
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: pandemic happened. Then the pandemic happened, and then there's this

1481
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 2: one couple. There's a problem couple of season three, and

1482
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 2: she order talks to Virginia and she talks to a

1483
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 2: peer group of other therapists and all of them like

1484
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: help her crack this one couple because it's she hits

1485
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: the watches like I don't know what because the guy

1486
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: was and there's there's such a sensational clip of her

1487
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: like they play at the beginning of the season where

1488
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: she she just like Yep, they're screaming, and she goes

1489
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: to stop. You guys, right now, I'm not the right

1490
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 2: therapist for you. And then you're like, you're like, how

1491
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: does it get there? How does it get there? Watch

1492
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: you watch it?

1493
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: And great, there was a great couple that was she

1494
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: was a dancer in The Lion King, yes, and and

1495
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: like she was like she was always busy at night

1496
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: and so she could never have dinner with the family

1497
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: and her kids, and like it was like a thing.

1498
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: He's like, well, you're never home for dinner. It's like,

1499
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm in the Lion King. And you knew this when

1500
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: you married me. She went the Lion King for as

1501
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: long as the earth has been there.

1502
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 2: I know, security are icon? Are you a therapy icon?

1503
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1504
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: I meant the Lion King being what a yall? Honestly,

1505
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: I can't believe I was never not in it. I

1506
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: can't believe I was. No, I can't believe I was

1507
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: ever not in it because therapy.

1508
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: Again, the King, I was like lying, I don't think

1509
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: there's many roles for me and the Lion King on Broadway.

1510
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: But I would love to help out you ushering, But no,

1511
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: therapy is great. Therapy is great, speaking of great, Speaking

1512
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: of great, The album is fucking sublime. Yeah, good for you,

1513
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you responded.

1514
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 2: Seems like you responded positively when I when I made

1515
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 2: a comparison to XX World. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

1516
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Of course.

1517
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 3: No, you're right, and I'm I think, yeah, you nailed

1518
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 3: itailed it.

1519
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking good. We love you, Charlie, I love you.

1520
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: But of course it's pretty fun. Let's the end every

1521
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 2: episode with the song I'm breaking, Why do I Love

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Speaker 2: all your bells? You know what I love? Official officially

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Speaker 2: reminds me of he was my boyfriend, my friend.

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Speaker 1: We figured it out that I hope that couple therapy

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Speaker 1: couple did. But Official was like I was the song

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Speaker 1: whoa like the little things are happening that make me?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that make us? Official?

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Speaker 2: Lots of culture eats. It's the production by Will Ferreld's

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Speaker 2: Big Money Players and I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang.

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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Anna has Nier and Hans Sonni, produced

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Speaker 1: by Beck Ramos, edited mixed by Doug bamm anichel Board and.

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Speaker 2: Our music is by Henry Kbirsky.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Matt Rogers letting you know. Tickets

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Speaker 1: are on sale now to see me on tour, the

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Speaker 1: Prince of Christmas Tour, that is, I'm doing my whole

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Speaker 1: album Have You Heard of Christmas, plus a lot more

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Speaker 1: with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www

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Speaker 1: Dot Matt Rodgers Official dot com. See me in a

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Speaker 1: city near you.

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Speaker 5: Oh,