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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'mint executive producer with I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: how the tech are you. It's time for the tech

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Speaker 1: news for Thursday, August eleven, twenty twenty two. Cisco, company

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Speaker 1: that primarily focuses on networking hardware and telecommunications equipment, as

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Speaker 1: well as some I T security products, has admitted that

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Speaker 1: it was hit by a ransomware attack that, as they say,

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Speaker 1: is a tough pill to swallow, but it also illustrates

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Speaker 1: how there's no such thing as a bulletproof defense when

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Speaker 1: it comes to data security. Fortunately, according to Cisco reps,

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Speaker 1: the attackers only gained access to some non critical information.

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Speaker 1: The company released a statement that says, quote Cisco did

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Speaker 1: not identify any impact to our business as a result

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Speaker 1: of the incident, including Cisco products or services, sensitive customer

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Speaker 1: data or sensitive employee information, intellectual property, or supply chain

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Speaker 1: operations end quote. The statement did recognize that the hackers

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Speaker 1: released on the dark web a list of files that

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Speaker 1: they were able to access, and it included stuff like

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Speaker 1: nondisclosure agreements and some sketches and stuff. The attack actually

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Speaker 1: happened back in May, we're just hearing about it now,

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Speaker 1: and Cisco reps say the company has already taken action

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Speaker 1: to limit access to any other file systems, and that

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Speaker 1: the attackers got access by compromising and employee's account. Apparently,

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Speaker 1: they first were able to gain control of the employee's

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Speaker 1: personal Google account and that allowed them to use the

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Speaker 1: SINC credentials in Chrome to access Cisco systems. They also

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Speaker 1: tricked the employee into revealing a multi factor authentication code.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's the kind of thing that when you

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Speaker 1: put in your password, it says, all right, we're sending

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Speaker 1: And that just goes to show that you can employ

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Speaker 1: very secure processes, but they only work if people, you know,

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Speaker 1: follow them. And that's really why we can't have bulletproof defenses. So,

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Speaker 1: for one thing, creating something that has no vulnerabilities, that's

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Speaker 1: pretty darn hard. They are creating a system that has

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Speaker 1: no footholds for hackers, very difficult to do. But another

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Speaker 1: is that people are frequently the weakest link in the

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Speaker 1: security chain, as was in this case, So you don't

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Speaker 1: have to be the most leait hacker in the world

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Speaker 1: if you can convince someone to hand you the keys

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Speaker 1: to the kingdom. The attackers then used various tools to

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Speaker 1: create backdoor access points within the system, so that even

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Speaker 1: when the Cisco security team detected them and gave them

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Speaker 1: the boot, they could worm their way back in, and

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Speaker 1: it took some time to weed out all those issues.

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Speaker 1: The attackers did, not, however, encrypt Cisco's files, which is

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Speaker 1: something we typically see with somewhere attacks. The attackers were

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Speaker 1: identified as being part of the Jan Lua Wong gang.

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Speaker 1: Yon Lua Wong is the name of a particular type

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Speaker 1: of ransomware, so Cisco reps say they suspect that the

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Speaker 1: group were likely planning on deploying ransomware, but had not

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Speaker 1: actually gone that far before they got weeded out. Over

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Speaker 1: at Google, employees are feeling a quote unquote real vibe change.

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Speaker 1: At least according to one unnamed source who talked with

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Speaker 1: Business Insider, Google has extended its hiring freeze, which began

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Speaker 1: growing concerns that Google could initiate layoffs or institute tougher

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Speaker 1: performance measures that employees will have to meet, and if

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Speaker 1: Sindar pach I, the CEO of Google, has said that

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Speaker 1: the company's head count and its productivity don't seem to

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Speaker 1: So the worry is that the tougher performance measures could

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Speaker 1: This kind of echoes something that met US CEO Mark

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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg said a couple of months back about Meta, namely

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Speaker 1: that quote there are probably a bunch of people at

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Speaker 1: the company who shouldn't be here end quote. Now, in

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Speaker 1: Meta's case, the strategy appears to be to turn up

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Speaker 1: The idea being that the folks who aren't best suited

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Speaker 1: else and have be treated better. Right. That's getting increasingly

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Speaker 1: is not the employee's fault. It's more of a sign

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Speaker 1: On a similar note Microsoft is shutting down a department

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Speaker 1: it first established in two thousand eighteen. The group is

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Speaker 1: called the Modern Life Experiences Team, which I mean that

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Speaker 1: it turns out, the role of the Modern Life Experiences

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Speaker 1: Team was to win back professional consumers or pro sumers.

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Speaker 1: So this was kind of a customer retention group, although

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Speaker 1: more than retention, because retention just sounds like you're trying

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get several so that's something. So this isn't

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Speaker 1: silver lining, but it's better than nothing. You know. There's

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Speaker 1: And that's all the news I have for today, Thursday,

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