1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Wilson. We talked about Mriyes all week, Yeah, which I 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: I This was a hard episode to write because I'm 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: I found myself at moments feeling like I was in 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 2: a Cranberry bog of science, unable to wade my way out. Yeah, 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: so hopefully I didn't. I didn't make any scientists sad. 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard stuff. 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: There are a few things that I wanted to talk about, Okay. 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: So one of the things that was just charming was 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: we talked about how louder Bird did not major in 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: engineering and his father wanted him to, and how he 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: wanted to go into science. And there's a great quote 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: that he wrote about it, saying, quote, my father had 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: recommended it because, as he had observed, he didn't know 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: what scientists did for a living, but engineers could always 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: get a job. I love how he was just being practical. Yeah, 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure his kid had a 20 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: way to support himself. 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: But then he turned out to be a Nobel Prize winner, 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: so that worked out. I had to chuckle a little 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: bit about ray Toamadian's discussion that he wanted to lower 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: the cost of MRIs because the numbers he quoted, I 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: think it was something like for a hospital at that time, 27 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: it was like one hundred thousand dollars just to get 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: a machine, and for a patient, the billing was like 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars for an MRI. Now this was in 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: the eighties or that was later. That was a little 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: bit later than that. But I had to chuckle because, 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, I had had one recently and I 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: did not. 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: Pay for it. 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: Insurance covered it, right, but like it was many thousands 36 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: of dollars, more than one thousand dollars. 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 2: I don't I don't remember how much mine was because 38 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: I mean this was more than a decade ago at 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: this point. 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: And it like it was at a point where our 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: employer was Discovery Communications, and like their insurance was generally 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: really good. Yeah. I know, everybody's experience with insurance is 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: different depending on their needs, but like that they covered 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: that MRI that I needed on my knee at one 46 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: hundred percent, so I paid no dollars for that MRI, 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: and I was so relieved at that fact that the 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: actual cost of it never right. Yeah, yes, yeah, but 49 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 2: like that so I had, uh, I had stepped in 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: a hole and broke in my knee, and I had 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: an X ray of it, and they needed to do 52 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: an MRI to confirm whether there was any compression in 53 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: the fracture, which I was very nervous about because I 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: did not know I had fractured my leg. And I 55 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: walked on that break like a like a mile. It 56 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: was fun and that does like, at least, as I remember, 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: my head was not all the way in the thing, 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: so I did not have the claustrophobia that a lot 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: of people experience in there. But the noise and the 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: unpredictability of the noise was enough that like my body 61 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: was involuntarily tensing up and you're supposed to hold still, 62 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: and the like I kept like the technician kept having 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: to be like, I need you to breathe, and I 64 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: would have to like consciously try to keep myself from 65 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: doing that. It was challenging. I did not find it 66 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: as uncomfortable in experience as a lot of people do, 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: partially because my head was not in the machine. But 68 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: I did, like I have to really focus on not 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: involuntarily tensing up my entire body. Yeah, it's hard. I 70 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: was in the whole thing. As I said at the topic, 71 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: I had to evict my gallbladder. We were trying to 72 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: figure out what was going on because I thought I 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: had food poisoning at first, and that was not what 74 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: it was right, And then I had done a telemedicine 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: I tell this story just for transparency so you understand 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: and there's nothing to worry about. I had done a 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: telemedicine appointment in the middle of the night because it 78 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: wasn't getting any better. 79 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: And I also wasn't nauseated. I wasn't throwing up or 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: any of the things you would associate with food poisoning. 81 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: But I had that just my torso felt very sick 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: and it was somewhere in my digestive track. And I 83 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: did that, and I talked through what I was experiencing 84 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: with the doctor, and the concern was that, like, I 85 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: think there might be something going on here, and also, hey, 86 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: you know sometimes in women of your age, things like 87 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: heart attacks can present as strange indigestion. 88 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: So maybe go to the er. 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Let's get this checked. So I did, and they ekg'd 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: me super fast. I wasn't even done filling out paperwork 91 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: and they were. They had the little mobile one on me, 92 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: and that was fine. My heart was great. And then 93 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: they started to figure out what the problem was, which 94 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: is that my gallbladder was sad baby and didn't want 95 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: to didn't want to do his job anymore. Yeah, so 96 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: I had to be fully in the MRI and I 97 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: was so panicked because I am claustrophobic. I felt really 98 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: really bad. I'm going to try to tell this story 99 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: without any gory details, but my my MRI tech. This 100 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: was all going on on a weekend and so like 101 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: full staff was not there and there wasn't an orderly 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: to come and get me and take me down to 103 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: the MRI. So the MRI tech just came up and said, 104 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna drive you down, like get in the get 105 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: in the wheelchair. 106 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: And he didn't. 107 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: He was an angel human and he was super patient 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: with me because I explained that I was claustrophobic. He 109 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: let me keep my wedding ring on because he's like, 110 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: it's silver, It's gonna be fine. Although I panicked halfway 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: through and hit the panic button because I could feel it. 112 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: He tooke my wedding ring off very carefully and was 113 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: so nice and like, because I have I don't take 114 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: my wedding ring off ever. It's just like a deal 115 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: Brian and I made when we got married twenty seven 116 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: years ago that like this is on us for good. 117 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: It's why I will never upgrade my wedding ring. I 118 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: can't go back in time and put a different ring 119 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: on my hand. This is my wedding ring for life. 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: And so he was super nice and very caring and 121 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: kind about that, and then I did the thing. I 122 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: made it through. 123 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: It sucked. He would occasionally just pop on to the 124 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: audio thing and be like, you're doing great, We're almost there, 125 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: like he was amazing. And then I got out and 126 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: he I was getting back into the chair and he said, 127 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: you look a little wobble. Here are you dizzy? 128 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: And I just said I'm about to barf. And bless 129 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: that man who was not a nurse and took care 130 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: of me while I was a mess, mess mess, But 131 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: it was fine. Again that was from my gallbladder, not 132 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: from the MRI that was making me nauseating. But it 133 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: was just one of those Listen, nurses and people work 134 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: in hospitals with patients hands. 135 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 2: On all the time angels. Yeah, oh nice. So that 136 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: was my MR. Yeah, I know someone else who has 137 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: had some gallbladder issues still has a gallbladder, but said 138 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: that the first time that it really flared up. Similarly, 139 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: there were concerns that it was something cardiac happening. Yeah, 140 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: and I mean I don't I have not had this 141 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: happen in my own body, so I don't know what 142 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: it feels like. But apparently that is a thing where 143 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: symptoms can be easily confused, so there's steps that have 144 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: to be taken to rule stuff out. 145 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Yes, I had all of the imaging, I had the 146 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: extra I had the CT scan, I had the ultrasound, 147 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: and then they were like it's MRI time, in part 148 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: because they some of the imaging made it look like 149 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: there was a gallstone lodged in the valve between my 150 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: gallbladder and my stomach. And if that had been the case, 151 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: which I think, I passed it while I was in 152 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: the hospital, but if it had been stuck stuck there, 153 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: they would have had to do two procedures, one like 154 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: a similar to an endoscopy, but it's a surgical removal 155 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: of that, and then the second one which is when 156 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: the gallbladder gets its walking papers. I will say like, thankfully, 157 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: very thankfully, Like my surgeon was amazing. I've had a 158 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: very easy recovery, to the point that I almost feel guilty, 159 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: like I've had a cliffs Notes version of it. 160 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: But I'm very thankful and I feel a million times 161 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: better because I think it was making me lethargic and 162 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: droopy for a while and I didn't know that's what 163 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: it was, right, Yeah, Like I was shocked when they 164 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: were like, your gollblader's coming out of what yeah is it? Uh? Yeah? Yeah. 165 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: You were updating me on what was happening over the 166 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: course of the weekend, and I did not realize that 167 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: it had resulted in a full gallbladder removal until like later, 168 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that because I don't expect 169 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: you to like tell me everything that's going on in 170 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: your body over the weekend. Uh. But it was afterward 171 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: that I was like, Oh, the whole gallbladder's gone. Now 172 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: she's gone, she's gone. I want to talk some more 173 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: about Raydomadian, let's do it and later ber and this 174 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: whole issue, because I feel like there was there has. 175 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: Been in the whole argument debate about it. There has 176 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: been bias in play on a lot of people's parts, Okay, 177 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: where Like, on the one hand, I mean Ray Tomadian 178 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: did develop the machine even if he didn't develop the imaging, 179 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: but it also wasn't really going to do the stuff 180 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: until Lauderber and Mansfield figure out the way, figured out 181 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: the ways to get actual good images that were accurate 182 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: and detailed. But the problem kind of comes up. I 183 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: do think whether or not it impacted the Nobel Committee's decision, 184 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: I do think that two things worked against Raydmadian. At 185 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: that point, he had already been in so much litigation 186 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: with so many companies dealing that so many of those 187 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: companies employed scientists that were working in this field that 188 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: I think there was probably, whether it was conscious or not, 189 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: just a bias against him as being a pain. 190 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: In the neck. Yeah. And then I also think the 191 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: issue of his religious beliefs caused some scientists to write 192 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: him off. And in some ways he did not help 193 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: himself on this one. Because I want to make clear, 194 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: like whatever anybody believes is great, whatever works for them 195 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: is wonderful. But like he went specifically on a radio 196 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 2: program that was very religious and very much like science 197 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: can't explain anything, and even had this jingle that was 198 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: sort of like scientists are conceited if they think they 199 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 2: can explain the work of God kind of thing, And 200 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know that he necessarily agreed with 201 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: that kind of mentality, but being as associated with programming 202 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: like that probably did not help his standing in the 203 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: scientific community. Right. 204 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: There are also some interesting aspects to Lauderber's side of things, 205 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: because he initially did seem to talk about like, oh, yeah, 206 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: I watched this person replicate Tomadian's experiments, and then as 207 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: time went on, that mention fell out of his discussions 208 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: of what had happened. And I don't know if that 209 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: was because he wanted to somehow write Demadian out. I 210 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: don't get that vibe, but I didn't know him personally, 211 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: so I don't know, or if he was just trying 212 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: to distance himself from mention of Domadian because he knew 213 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: it was contentious. And it is a thing where I 214 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: don't know where I stand on all of that. I 215 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: do feel like both of these people did some pretty 216 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: important work, and you have to do the messy work 217 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: up front that maybe doesn't work exactly right before I mean, 218 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: in any field, in any invention, usually it's very rare 219 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: that someone's like, I have an idea, I'm going to 220 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: invent a thing. Here's the thing I made it, it 221 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: works perfectly. That doesn't really happen. We've talked about many 222 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: patent cases where like you know, I mean, even if 223 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: we go back to the first combination patent of the 224 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: sewing machine, it was like a lot of people were 225 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: working on this concept and none of them could. 226 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: Quite get it all together. Needed to come together and 227 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: make one big patent as a group to make it 228 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: all really a functional piece of machinery that could be 229 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: marketed to a consumer market. And so this kind of 230 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: feels the same, but nobody was willing to do like 231 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: a combination patent on it. And I have you know, 232 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: I read a number of accounts that were written by 233 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: scientists or opinions that were given by scientists in various 234 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: news articles, et cetera, and a lot of them kind 235 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 2: of come to the point of I think both of 236 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 2: those dudes thought they were the one and that was 237 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: the problem. It's wild to me, yeah, because this is 238 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: like what's wild to me is that this argument continues 239 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: over a thing that is demonstrably a life saving technology. 240 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: That was one of the things that really struck me 241 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: reading through this, Like, there there are people who have 242 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: had things like cancers or other illnesses detected early enough 243 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: that it could be treated because of the work of 244 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: these men, And I say that collectively that would not 245 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: have have had that opportunity otherwise. But like, we still 246 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: can't seem to work out like how to give both 247 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: of them their due equally. It's wild. Yeah, I had 248 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: a lot of just I also think this is a 249 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: situation where, because we don't necessarily know what was in 250 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: their inner world, it is really easy to sort of 251 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: come up with a narrative that explains this behavior and 252 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 2: just kind of assume that's really what happened. I am 253 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: very curious about the Nobel decisions. I know, I wonder 254 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: if in twenty fifty three, like, yeah, this argument's gonna 255 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: get real real again. Yeah, I'm if I'm still around, 256 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 2: I'll be so old at that point, will I still care? Right? Well, 257 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: and both of these men have living descendants, Yeah, sure. 258 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: I didn't get into like the personal lives of many 259 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: of them, except for that cute meeting on the ship, 260 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: because it was just so. 261 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: Charming, but like there were certainly a lot of these 262 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: these people that you know, they have family that will 263 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: still be alive when that happens. I don't know, you know, 264 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: we generally try to never talk about people that are 265 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: still living on the show, unless it's a really unique circumstance. Yeah, 266 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: So I give it's an event and there are people 267 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: associated with it's still alive. Yeah, And I certainly did 268 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: not go digging to find out about their families and 269 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: their stances or where they have been in the midst 270 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: of all of this. So I am curious, but also 271 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: respectfully don't want to get all up in their business. 272 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I'm glad their MRIs. Yeah, yeah, even if 273 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy Yeah, I'm glad that MRI I revealed 274 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: I did not need to have knee surgery. Yeah, I'm 275 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: glad it mine revealed I didn't have to have a 276 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: second one. So yeah, thank you, Mr. I. Yeah, I 277 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: just had to be on crutches for like seven weeks. 278 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: I remember that we were not working together yet when 279 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: that happened, but I remember seeing you at stuff because 280 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: we had crossover social people. Yeah. Yeah, we also just 281 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: that came up on the show not that long ago. 282 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: My time on crutches. I don't know how I would 283 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: do on crutches. I have been having a hard enough 284 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: time with the rule of don't lift anything over ten 285 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: pounds ye for a lout. Yeah, so I found being 286 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: on crutches very exhausting. Also, you know, my body was 287 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: trying to make new bone and that also was exhausting. 288 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: And at that point, I mean, this was so many 289 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: years ago. At this point, we were in an office 290 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: that was next to the Buckhead marta station. Yeah. So 291 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: that's so like this would have been not twenty years ago, 292 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: but you know, fifteen at least. And I wound up 293 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 2: negotiating to work at home part of the time because 294 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: getting to work and getting around our not very accessible 295 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: office on crutches was really hard. That's something that we 296 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: also didn't talk about about MRI specifically, Like we talked 297 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: about all the barriers to access in terms of money 298 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: and availability and all of that stuff. With an MRI machine, 299 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: there are people with various disabilities who like getting positioned 300 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: into the machine is its own barrier, even without you know, 301 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: some kind of medical device that could cause an issue 302 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: with the machine itself. So yeah, yeah, there have been efforts, 303 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: I know, Phone are worked out a lot of positional 304 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: MRIs to like try to address some of those problems. 305 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,959 Speaker 2: And even now, if you go to their website, they 306 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: show one where you're kind of sitting upright and it 307 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: is not the tube of the Tube of fear. 308 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: If you're me, I am still having nightmares about the 309 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: slightly off center stripe that runs through the machine. Again 310 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: because I'm claustrophobic. 311 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: I think when my mom had to have one, I 312 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: don't remember if they put a washcloth on her face 313 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: or if they offered to put a washcloth on her 314 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: face just to like have something there. So it's not 315 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: seeing the inside of the machine so close and not 316 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: being able to move. 317 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I I've never wanted to flap my arms 318 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: so bad in my life. I'm a very fidgety person, 319 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: so that was a hard one for me. Me too, 320 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: Me too. I do know someone who has the opposite problem, 321 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: which tickles me that they have had to have a 322 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: number of MRIs and they find it oddly soon and 323 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: fall asleep. But that creates the problem of like their head, 324 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: we'll move to the side when they drop off, and 325 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: they have to do the whole thing over yeah, and 326 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I can't imagine what it would be 327 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: like to be in that machine and be like, oh, naptime, 328 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: this is cozy, when I'm like, how can I claw 329 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: my way out? So, if you ever have to have 330 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: an MRI, I hope that you can get in the 331 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: right mental headspace to not have it be stressful, and 332 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: that you have an amazing tech like I did, and 333 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: that everything goes smooth as silk. I also hope that 334 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: if this is your weekend coming up, that you get 335 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: to relax a little bit and not think about anything 336 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: scary or stressful in any way, and that your health 337 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: is wonderful. 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