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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Pack twelve Fans. This one's

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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only

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Speaker 1: the Truth lives here. Packed twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 2: I'm George Reister, He's Ralph Amson, and this is the

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Speaker 2: final Pack twelve Apostles podcast. We will be changing over

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Speaker 2: to the College Football Apostles very soon, but we wanted

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Speaker 2: to hit you Pack twelve fans with you know, some

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Speaker 2: great stuff and you know, always subscribe, always tell a

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Speaker 2: And of course go over to the YouTube channel at

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Speaker 2: Unafraid show. New episodes dropping all over there, and I

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Speaker 2: think you're gonna like it. Latest episode interview with Dan Lanning.

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Speaker 2: We also got Reggie Bush on over there. What's the

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Speaker 2: name Josh Pate. Yeah, So we're yeah, man plugging along

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Speaker 2: around it around this joint. But Ralph, we get we

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Speaker 2: gotta check our reviews as always, and we also have

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Speaker 2: to and on this episode we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: since this is the end of the PAC twelve, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna discuss every single team and where they've been and

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Speaker 2: where they're going. Of course, we know what conferences are

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Speaker 2: going to already but just a matter of, you know,

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Speaker 2: the the outlook for the future for this team, Rod,

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Speaker 2: Are you.

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Speaker 3: Said it's our Are you said that it's our last

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Speaker 3: episode in this format?

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Speaker 2: No? No, because because we're not going anywhere. We're not

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Speaker 2: try to feel the need of our listeners while also

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Speaker 2: growing the show when the conference is going to three

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Speaker 2: different conferences and then one kind of whole.

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Speaker 3: True. True, we did we we We finished the PAC

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Speaker 3: twelve Apostles era finished on a five star review. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you're actually gonna like the five star

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Speaker 3: review that it finished on, but it's from Daniel in Seattle.

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Speaker 3: Title is great podcast and the review is great podcast.

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Speaker 3: Good to see the guys get humbled, go dogs forget

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Speaker 3: Packed twelve champs. I think this review was left before

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Speaker 3: the college football playoff, so I think it was Daniel

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Speaker 3: was riding the moment of the Pack twelve championship in Vegas,

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Speaker 3: which I was out there with you for.

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Speaker 2: He should have been riding it. He philing, philing, real

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Speaker 2: good man. But uh hey, maybe Kaylin de Boor and

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Speaker 2: the Washington Huskies can win a championship next year.

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, too soon, I think so. I think

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Speaker 3: it's I think they're gonna be sore for a minute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe or maybe starts getting some Yeah. Hey,

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Speaker 2: if Jet gets a few more recruiting wins, Arizona comes

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Speaker 2: with Jeff fish Net next year. Bro, they got a

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Speaker 3: I feel like the some just your your salt based

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Speaker 3: sprinkling salt and wounds right now, pinky up, just dropping

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Speaker 2: And you know what is funny, though, is before we

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Speaker 2: a second this narrative about how coaches get jobs, because

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Speaker 2: we've seen so many fan bases talk about, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: that's not how it works.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, rhetorical technicalities are are how these mega corporations that

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Speaker 3: like the the you know, it would be like saying, like,

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Speaker 2: It was somebody in the in the Republican primary that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nikki Haley. Yeah, But like all all the while

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Speaker 3: but like this idea that like Nick Saban stepped away

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't don't want to do it no more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea that twelve wins is is not enough

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and get ready for Alabama to realize that, Like,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, dude, they're fans. The most delusional thing

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Speaker 2: I saw Josh Pate talk about it too. He said,

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Speaker 2: Like you are a college football trust fund. Baby.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Yeah. You you have your elders talking

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Speaker 2: And the funny part about that is is, honestly, that's

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Speaker 4: I remember the toilet bowls zero zero versus Oregon State.

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Speaker 2: appears that Dan Lanning is that guy that because he

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Speaker 3: and what they've done. You're Jane Orvel's right, leaving Nevada

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love him.

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Speaker 3: They you know they so they never they never won

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, yep, yep, you know, you know

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Speaker 2: Probably, Okay, So I don't want to have recency bias,

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Speaker 3: Scoob his twenty fourteen hundred solo tackles, sixty four assists,

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Speaker 2: to figure out their quarterback situation. Who's who's going to

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00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 2: be their guy? They brought into Who's that kid from

435
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: Michigan State Kim Yep, yep?

436
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: They they they their quarterback competition probably going to be Rashada.

437
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the kid from Michigan State who is

438
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: from like Westland, Oregon, right, m hm, and then and

439
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: then Borge is still in the mix. It's gonna be

440
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: They just need a functioning quarterback. And I think everything

441
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 3: else they've done with this roster will be fine. Uh,

442
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a dip at a tight end obviously

443
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: with Texas Tech, but I think for the most part,

444
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: the talent that they've collected, I think they have every

445
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 3: ability to maybe be a functional team moving forward. And

446
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: that's really all you want is like if you buy

447
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 3: a DVD player, all you really care about is if

448
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: it plays DVDs, right, Like Arizona State for a minute,

449
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: was like a football team that couldn't football, and they

450
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 3: like it wasn't even they weren't even bad. They just

451
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: couldn't football, Like they couldn't the idea that they couldn't

452
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: even put enough lineman out to kick a field goal

453
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: to beat Washington, Like that's a broken product. So but

454
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: coaching will like.

455
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: Women's basketball during during this season, ye had to miss

456
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: two They had to miss two basketball games because they

457
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: didn't have enough players, like they were a ranked team.

458
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: Like they were a ranked team and then lost and

459
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: then had to like forfeit games.

460
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 3: Or they asked their student population, hey, if you could ball,

461
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: you might coming down to the gym today. Yeah we

462
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: might need you.

463
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. They they had to pick up They picked up

464
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: three or four players as walk ons on the roster,

465
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: and ironically they actually had some state champions and all

466
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: of this stuff just just just walking around campus.

467
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: Now, people forget, man, people forget there's a lot of

468
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: people who are really good high school athletes that don't

469
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: pursue it at the collegiate level. But yeah, I don't know,

470
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: Arizona State was not a functioning football team. I think

471
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: they'll probably have the personnel to make that work. This year,

472
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: we are twenty one months or something cartoonish like that

473
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: into this NCAA investigation and waiting on and oh wait, no, no, no, no,

474
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: that's not right because it started one correct. Yeah, so

475
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: that's seven months and then you have two years. That's

476
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: thirty one month. So we're thirty three months into waiting

477
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: for a notice of allegations to drop. So once that happens,

478
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: I think the Arizona State will have the ability to

479
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: kind of move.

480
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: On for this it's time to just stop and see

481
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: double eight like like it's like it's like if you

482
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: get in trouble and your parents are out of town

483
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: and they're not back for you know. There you you

484
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: have those absentee parents who who are gone for those

485
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: absentee rich parents who were in the midst of their

486
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: two month summer vac vacation, and you get in trouble

487
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: and then you and then they get back and they

488
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: find out what happened and they're like, we're gonna punish you.

489
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: You're like, bro, that was like months ago. What are

490
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: you talking about?

491
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: Or even your mouth off to your mom at breakfast

492
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm telling your father when he gets home.

493
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: But he doesn't get home till nine at night, So

494
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: you got fourteen hours to sit and think about how

495
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna get your ass whooped. That fourteen hours is

496
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 3: the punishment. Yes, that's the punishment, right, Like I think

497
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: I think ASU has done. It's fourteen hours, and I

498
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: think it's probably time to move on.

499
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: Yes, first, for sure, Kenny Dillingham head coach. How I

500
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: am still Arrow's still up on him. To me, I

501
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: thought that this year actually proved like how good of

502
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: a coach he could be.

503
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very hopeful. I think he's the right man

504
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: for the job. I think his greatest enemy at this

505
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: point is the apathy caused by the herm era. Yeah,

506
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: because like when the excitement started, it was probably spring

507
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and it immediately got snuffed out. So

508
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: I think he is fighting an uphill battle with a

509
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: disengaged fan base that and a lot of the responsibility

510
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 3: for that belongs to the athletic administration and the president.

511
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: But if they can get this thing going, I'm not

512
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: a sleeping giant guy. I don't believe that's even a thing.

513
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 3: Definitely do not believe Arizona State is a sleeping giant.

514
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: I think that Arizona State is an incredible, maybe the

515
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: best in the country, second decision you can make. And

516
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: I think that in the era of the transfer portal,

517
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: why would you not consider Arizona State like that? I

518
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: believe that I feel like I'm being objective in that

519
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: I think that Arizona State as a second chapter mirrors

520
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: Arizona as a second chapter for all these snowbirds, like

521
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: is just a good life to live. Once you've established

522
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: like what it is you want to try to accomplish.

523
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: So I think they'll be fine it, but you do

524
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: want to see what Kenny Dillingham can do with a

525
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: fully functioning roster before you make any determinations. Maybe Marcus

526
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: Arroyo is going to be a big part of that.

527
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: I know you you got feelings about you know, Marcus

528
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: Arroyo and maybe Peter principle of like there's an area

529
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: where maybe he's really good, but if you elevate him

530
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: beyond that, maybe he's not ready. I think as an

531
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator with Kenny Dillingham there, maybe he could be good.

532
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: We'll see, but it's definitely going to be interesting moving forward.

533
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: Best year, worst year for Arizona State. What do you think?

534
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: I would have to say, probably the what was that

535
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, the year that they wait, actually no, no, yeah,

536
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: I think you got to pull one of the tie

537
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Graham years. Yeah, fourteen, probably twenty fourteen because they finished

538
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: in the top twenty. Yeah.

539
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: So so that's Yeah, twenty fourteen's tough to digest because

540
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: had they not lost to Oregon State, they would have

541
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: had a shot at the College Football Playoff. But when

542
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: the wheels fell off, they really fell off hard, and

543
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: they end up losing the Territorial Cup.

544
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

545
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: So that that's definitely tough to digest. So I feel

546
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: like going eight and one in conference in the twenty

547
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: thirteen year was to me the better season because they

548
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: finished strong even though they lost a Holiday Bowl.

549
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh and then it brought momentum to the next year.

550
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think so, But it has

551
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: to be one of those two for sure. I don't.

552
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: And the best herm did was eight wins. I don't.

553
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: I'm not a wins mean everything guy, but it didn't

554
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: impress me.

555
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and their worst year to me had to be

556
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one.

557
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, twenty twenty two was when Herm lost to

558
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: Eastern Michigan.

559
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, then then yes,

560
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: it was twenty twenty two, because that was the year

561
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 2: when you were like, Arizona's State's a ten win team,

562
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, they're not, Ralph, Yeah, you

563
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: weren't even saying ten win. You said we might go

564
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: undefeate it.

565
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: Well because well also, like Jayden left before the season,

566
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: Omar Norman Lott left, like the whole team bailed, and

567
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: then Herm quit and I'm gonna say that Capitol Q.

568
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: Herm Edwards quit after the Eastern Michigan game, and Arizona

569
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: State still found a way to pay a quitting man

570
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: half his buyout, very very strange circumstances. The highlight of

571
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: that year, though, was I got to see my guy,

572
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: Sean Iguano, who is the head coach of the high

573
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 3: school that I went to. He got there the year

574
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: after I left. I got to see him spend nine

575
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: games as the head coach of Arizona State. That's a

576
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: moment I'll never forget. Them beating Washington was cool, Trent

577
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: Borgay being at the Helm for that was cool. But overall,

578
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: that was an absolutely disastrous year. I will also say

579
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: that twenty twenty sticks out to me because of the

580
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: way in which they lost to USC and the fact that,

581
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: like the rumor is that ASU went into that game

582
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: with athletes with COVID and got everybody sick on both sides,

583
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: and so we only got three or four games from

584
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 3: a bunch of these different Pac twelve teams. That year

585
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: sucked very bad. But I will give you that twenty

586
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: twenty one was very disappointing because that's the year I

587
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: believe that they'd be ten to eleven win team, and instead,

588
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 3: Jade Daniels had the most mediocre year of all time,

589
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: and they went from getting up to eighteenth ranked of

590
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: the country to being a five lost team with a

591
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: Vegas Bowl loss. So I don't know, man, I'm glad

592
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: the Hermira is over best player of the PAC twelve

593
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: era for Arizona State.

594
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Easy, Nikill Harry, Okay, Okay.

595
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I'm this is gonna sound like I'm saying

596
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: something bad about Nikiel, but I do put DJ Foster

597
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: a little bit above him. He's I think he's the

598
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: most important player for Arizona State of the PAC twelve era.

599
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: I will, however, throw Will Sutton's name in there because

600
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: I feel like he's the most dominant defensive player ASU

601
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: has had in the last twenty years. He had a

602
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 3: run where he was completely unstoppable, and I was a

603
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: really big fan of his, And of course that's from

604
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: the early days. Yeah, but yeah, I he had as

605
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: a noseguard in twenty twelve, thirteen sacks.

606
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he was a problem. Major problem. Now on

607
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: to Cal as we stay in alphabetical order. Who is

608
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: headed to the act the ACC.

609
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Well, I love living twelve miles from their conference headquarters

610
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 3: and I'm on the East coast.

611
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: So Cal who Justin Wilcox is their head coach. I mean,

612
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 2: there's not really a lot to talk about about this team.

613
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: I mean when we said that there was, there wasn't

614
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 2: a lot to talk about about Arizona State in terms

615
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: of it's been quiet. Hell, is there been any more

616
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: quiet place? I mean Washington, Washington State's been louder, but

617
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: that's because they've been you know, their coach has been

618
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: speaking out about their players being gouged and robbed and pillaged.

619
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: And Cal is like after Mint Mendoza had a pretty

620
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: good year last year, they're bringing they brought in additional

621
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and that's gonna be interesting. They have They fired

622
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: bow Balwin, their office coordinator. The guy who ended up

623
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: calling the play for the second half of the season

624
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: is that UC Davis as head coach Tim plow.

625
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: So.

626
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: And last year was a complete reversal of the team

627
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: in that their defense is usually good, but their offense

628
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: is usually cheeks and this year their offense actually showed

629
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: some competency and their defense was atrocious. So I honestly,

630
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of this team. They

631
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: made their first bowl game since what was that? They

632
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: made their first bowl game since the Red Box Bowl

633
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and it was the Independence Bowl, which

634
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: they lost. So they didn't finish the season with a

635
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: renting record or Regger record for the first time. I mean,

636
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: but they did win six games record yep, dude, that's

637
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: a long time to keep a job like and not

638
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: have the success. But they're I got do think have

639
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: to put an asterisk on it because the COVID stuff

640
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: just threw everything off for.

641
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 3: Col Maybe I don't they they had some momentum before.

642
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Here's a deal.

643
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 3: They finished thirty six games under five hundred in conference

644
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: in the PAC twelve. They never, never, never had a

645
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 3: winning record in conference in the Pac twelve, never, not

646
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: one time.

647
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, bro, they haven't had a winning record

648
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: in conference since Jeff Tedford in nine.

649
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. They have been as mediocre as

650
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: mediocre gets. And so the question then becomes, how do

651
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: you think they'll fare in the ACC. Do you think

652
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 3: it will be more of the same, and do you

653
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: think that the col fan base will tolerate that? Because

654
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 3: Cal did get rid of Sonny Dyke's after four years

655
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: and then they had to watch him take TCU to

656
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: a national championship game, but that was after Sonny Dike's

657
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: had three losing seasons in four years. Justin Wilcox has

658
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: had four losing seasons in what seven eight years? So well,

659
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: you know, well his extension hasn't even kicked off yet,

660
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 3: he's still like he has five years left on his contract.

661
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: Well that's the issue, Ralph, is that that's a significant

662
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: problem because they're going to the ACC and Cal is

663
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: running at such a financial deficit. I doubt, I highly

664
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: doubt that that Justin Wilcox's contract is like a lot

665
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: of these high paid head coaches because he's not one

666
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: of them that the majority of it is coming from

667
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: boosters and donors, So that means that you got to

668
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: buy him out and that's coming from the school and

669
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: them in UCLA are running at the biggest that deficit

670
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: they make that that Arizona thirty million dollars. That deficit

671
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,479
Speaker 2: looked like child's play.

672
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: Are they a top half team in the a CEC

673
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: with access to California athletes?

674
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: Okay, so assuming that Florida State is still in there, right,

675
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: so let's just go with for next year. I think

676
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: that Florida State's better, Clemson's better, MC State is better, yep,

677
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: NC State's better, Louisville's better, but they could be Louisville

678
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: next year. Yep.

679
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: Louisville is another one of those schools like LSU where

680
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 3: the checks clear.

681
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: My Miami could be good. Who oh, they're they're gonna

682
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: they're gonna have the most talented roster in the ACC. Besides, lord,

683
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: they're certainly better than cal yep at this point, Duke,

684
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Yeah, they'll they'll be damn. And

685
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: then you got Syracuse, Pitt Virginia Wake. Oh god, now

686
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna be somewhere to the middle to bottom third

687
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: of the ACC.

688
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: So we're probably running into more of the same. Who

689
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 3: is the best player of the cal PAC twelve era?

690
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: Yes, Uh, I'm gonna go with Cam Jordan.

691
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: I don't think he ever played in the PAC twelve.

692
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 3: He didn't, I don't think so.

693
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: He's that old Jesus.

694
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah in that wild I think he might have.

695
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: And you might be right because the PAC twelve era

696
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: started with twenty eleven. Yeah, I think his senior year

697
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 2: was the last year of the PAC tenacy. Yeah, because

698
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: he's been in the league for quite some some time.

699
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: So then let's amend that and go Jared Goff.

700
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a I mean, number one overall picks. Tough

701
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: to possibly about to go to a second Super Bowl. Yeah, Yeah,

702
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: it's got It's got to be him. Uh. Best year

703
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: worst year is weird because they only had the one

704
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: A two eight and five years. Do you like the

705
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: Sonny Dikes eight and five year or do you like

706
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: the the Justin Wilcox eight and five year? One of

707
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: them had Jared Goff and uh in a better strength

708
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: of schedule. But in twenty nineteen they did get up

709
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: to number fifteen.

710
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: A people. I'm going twenty nineteen because Sunny Dyke's team

711
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: broy they were a freeway to the to the end

712
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: zone for the opponent. They literally had to score eight

713
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: thousand points just to win. So and I will split

714
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: the baby with you.

715
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: I'll go with the other one. Yeah, I mean, we're

716
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: still talking about a losing conference record, but a harder

717
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 3: schedule to get there. And then are we You want

718
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: to say one and eleven is the worst year the

719
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen Sunny Dykes, But that's like saying that one

720
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: eleven year for Jetfish would be the worst Arizona year

721
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 3: because yeah, but it was the upswing. Yeah, but they

722
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: did not win a game in conference. That's very tough

723
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: to do.

724
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very tough to it, just like going undefeated

725
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: is tough to do. Going windless, Yeah, that's tough. I

726
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: don't know. Twenty twenty two is pretty damn bad. Yeah,

727
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 2: I mean, they were just atrocious. They were doormat in

728
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. So I'm gonna go twenty twenty two

729
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: is the worst year.

730
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: All right, I'll go with the windless, even though they

731
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 3: did have Jared Goff and that was on the upswing.

732
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 3: Windless is wild as hell. Those all go with that,

733
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 3: all right, Colorado.

734
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: Wow, I guess their their history in the PAC twelve sucks.

735
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean they they did make the championship

736
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: game once and they got their doors knocked off. But

737
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: I mean they're there. Their history is checkered at best.

738
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's a bunch of their Their history is

739
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of mid.

740
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 3: Bro Yeah, they they're they were never they really came

741
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: in to the PAC twelve and served as a tackling

742
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: dummy every year outside of one. It was it made

743
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: sense that they left. They had I mean, they had

744
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: one really really good year under Mike McIntyre and then

745
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: fired him the next season because the wheels fell off.

746
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, they waited two years. They

747
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: waited two years. I always forget that there were two

748
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: years between the ten wins and firing him for like

749
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: starting five and zero and then dropping six straight. But

750
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: I thought I thought twenty sixteen was very special. I

751
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: think a lot of people thought that Mike McIntyre was

752
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: gonna be able to build off of that. The fact

753
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: that the slide in the back half of that Mike

754
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: McIntyre year where he got fired was so bad that

755
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: Meltucker even going five and seven made him one of

756
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: the hottest names in college football. Was very funny because

757
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: they had the same record they had the two years before.

758
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 3: But I uh, yeah, I don't know that they they

759
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 3: only had the one good year and then they also

760
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: had the most exciting year of any Pac twelve team

761
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three, but they happened to go one

762
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 3: in eight in conference. So I don't know. But best

763
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: year is very obvious, and I think worst year is

764
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: very obvious because of I mean, you sounded the alarm,

765
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: don't hire Mike Sandford. They did, then they made him

766
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: the head coach after firing Karl Durell, and now to

767
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: this day, I still believe Mike Sandford is not employed.

768
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mad. That was madness. And the funny part

769
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: about it is that, like they've had some very interesting

770
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: situations because they went through a phase where they wouldn't

771
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: give their coaches, you know, long term deals after Rick Neuheisel,

772
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: they were trying to operate under the one year thing

773
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: and all of that. It just was not gonna work.

774
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: And they actually fired Gary Barnett, who was actually doing

775
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: a pretty good job.

776
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then.

777
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 2: And they were seven and six that that year, and

778
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: they were wishing for seven and again after two thousand

779
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: and five. They were wishing for those years back until

780
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: what twenty sixteen when Mike Mcatarre won ten games and

781
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: then they were wishing for him back again. So dude,

782
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: it just that. But that mel Tucker parlay bro that

783
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: was awesome, Like the homeboy went there for one year,

784
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: went five and seven, got a bag, and then when

785
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: won ten games in his first year at Michigan State,

786
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: got another bag and then blew the bag.

787
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: In more than one way. But moving on, Uh, Colorado

788
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: had three very very bad years. One of them they

789
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: went winless in conference in twenty fourteen under Mike McIntyre.

790
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: One of them was the John Embery year of going

791
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: one and eleven and one in eight in conference, and

792
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two the Carl Derell Mike Sanford year. Which

793
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: of those do you believe.

794
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: Is the worst? Oh, I'm gonna go with the Carl

795
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: Durrell Mike sam For year because that was so pitiful

796
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: and you could see it coming. There was never any

797
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: hope because they couldn't score points. It was the worst

798
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: offensive team I've ever seen. In my life, Ralph, I

799
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen a more inept offense than

800
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: what I saw that that year, regardless whether you blame

801
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: blame the players, blame the coach, talk about what you

802
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: saw on the field was well whatever you think you've

803
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: seen a struggle offense as it was worse.

804
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: But they beat Justin Wilcox, So there's that best place.

805
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 4: So so so Colorado got them and Arizona got cal

806
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: Yeah but.

807
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but the Arizona game never should happen. Yeah,

808
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: best call Ratto player.

809
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: Of the PAC twelve era Christian Zales.

810
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 3: That is not a fair thing to say, and you

811
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: know it. It's it's actually quite mean. Why was he

812
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 3: because Christian Gonzale has left and went to Oregon?

813
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean he was he was an all packed pack

814
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: twelve player in both places, one of them. He just

815
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: a first round pick from I wonder what what he

816
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: identifies as.

817
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 3: Was he a grad transfer? You don't get to identify

818
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: as anything if you're not a grad transfer, good point,

819
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: you are what you finish at, unless.

820
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: You then he did graduate from Oregon, I believe.

821
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: Well even then, like do you think Jayden Daniels with

822
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: his ASU degree calls himself a sun devil. Do you

823
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: think Russell Wilson says, go wolf pack. I don't know.

824
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: He might because he's a politician. So he was like,

825
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: go wolf back Badgers.

826
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: All right, So I don't. I think that that is

827
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: pretty ridiculous and invalid. So I'm going to say.

828
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna brend Brendan Rice.

829
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: Then that's also messed up. I think Leviska Chanault for

830
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: a small yeah point in time, was the most feared

831
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: player if healthy in the PAC twelve.

832
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.

833
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, so number one, My number one is Philip Lindsay.

834
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 3: Philip Lindsay, he I mean, that's just my favorite Colorado player.

835
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: So I'm going with Labishka okay, since you won't let

836
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: me take Christian.

837
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll go with Lindsay because he was a Colorado

838
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 3: boy who rushed for like five thousand year olds in

839
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: high school, went to Colorado, did it up there and

840
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 3: then and then did some things in the NFL too.

841
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 3: So shout up, Philip Lindsay, who is that? I honestly, alphabetically,

842
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: what are we onto Oregon? This is where I get lost?

843
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: Yes? Correct?

844
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is gonna be a fun question for you.

845
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: What was Oregon's best year in the Pact twelve?

846
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: There are so many options? Shut up, geez, I mean

847
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 2: is it? Well? Actually, I guess you have to take

848
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 2: the national championship year where they played in the National

849
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: Championship in twenty fourteen, okay, because twenty ten was prior

850
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: when they played in the National Championship, which, yeah, that's weird.

851
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: It's weird because now we're in a situation where, like

852
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: arguably three of the teams we've already talked about, its

853
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: best year is twenty fourteen.

854
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and Arizona beat Arizona, who we said they

855
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: beat Oregon in the regular season on a on a

856
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Friday night when Oregon was wearing those black and pink

857
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: uniforms and they didn't wear them again for eight years, Broca,

858
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: because that because they put the bad luck ones away.

859
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 3: And do you know what your blood here came under

860
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: Mark Helfrich. How does that feel?

861
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: Chip is? It was a chip hold over yere.

862
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: Chip old way he did turn around? When I mean,

863
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: you know what's crazy that Mark Helfrich won what was

864
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: it thirty seven games or something like that in in

865
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: four years and hasn't worked since.

866
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: Uh, I know he's worked. He's just doing announcing.

867
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

868
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: He went to the Chicago Bears to be their OC.

869
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: That's a guaranteed l trying to call offense in Chicago.

870
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went to let me make sure he went

871
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: to Yeah, he went to the Chicago Bears that as

872
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 2: their OC in eighteen and nineteen.

873
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: You know why I think Mark Halfrich gets so little respect.

874
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 2: Because he let the team fall apart and let any

875
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 2: old thing happen in the locker room.

876
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: What do you mean, Well, when you're a team that

877
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 3: has gone to a bowl every single year since two

878
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 3: thousand and five and only one of those years doesn't

879
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: have a bull, I think that's why he is the

880
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: only coach since two thousand and five four to not

881
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: take Oregon to a ball game.

882
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 2: Dude, Oregon has been to a ball game every single

883
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: year since ninety four except for ninety six, two thousand

884
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: and four, and two thousand and fifteen. Is is is

885
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: that good?

886
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: Shut up? Shut up, shut up?

887
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm asking is that good?

888
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: It's probably probably.

889
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: But you will have happen.

890
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: And what sucks is if you read the bull names

891
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: out loud, because I wanted to be like, yeah, Vegas,

892
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 3: but like no, when you read them out, like its

893
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: Fiesta Fiesta Rose, Rose Fiesta Rose BCS National Championship Rose.

894
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: Man notice associated with poverty teams Man congratulations. So okay,

895
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: so there, I mean here, here's the truth is that

896
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: Oregan's at the at the point if they want to

897
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: raise any higher, they gotta win a national championship. Yeah,

898
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 2: like there is no there's twelve wins is going to okay, Yeah,

899
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: we had a good year, but that's not like nobody's

900
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: gonna get excited and like they're they're gonna be excited

901
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: for the next year, but nobody's gonna be like, oh

902
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: my god, this was the greatest year ever. And you

903
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: don't hoist the trophy, not even a PAC twelve trope,

904
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: the trophy. A Big ten championship will be celebrated because

905
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: it's the first year that they that they would be

906
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: in if they win it. But anything aside from winning

907
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: the national championship is not gonna be you know, I mean,

908
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: I guess going and losing because then you're super excited

909
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: for the next year, and you know, like that sort

910
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: of thing keeps on going. But it's like How can

911
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State fans be happy with this season?

912
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? All right, easiest question in the world. Best player

913
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: for Oregon of the pactove era? Why? How are you

914
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 3: even delaying on this?

915
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, there's been a lot of really good players.

916
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's only been one.

917
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go with Marcus Mariota. But the most

918
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 2: exciting player of the PAC twelve era out of any team,

919
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: had to be d Anthony Thomas.

920
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: Anthony Thomas, I figured I figured he was gonna give

921
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: your runner up thing. I am such a huge Pinasul

922
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 3: fan that I just want to mention his name.

923
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: Oh yep, monster.

924
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, congratulations to your PAC twelve run, which

925
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: is now over. How do you think they are set

926
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: up to fare in the Big ten?

927
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 2: Excellent?

928
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: Better?

929
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, they got a they got a coach who stable,

930
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: The money's right, the buzz is right. I mean everything, like,

931
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: they're able to recruit. Everything looks good right now. As

932
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: long as Dan Lanning doesn't get caught up in some

933
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 2: sort of weirdo scandal that caused him to be immediately fired,

934
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: then everything's okay.

935
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: You just like find out that he collects Nazi memorabilia

936
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: like Mark Furman or something. Yeah, something just way out

937
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: of left field. I don't oh man, I've seen some

938
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 3: Oregon fans in your mention. He might actually like gain

939
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: points with a couple of those dudes.

940
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: Some of those people live.

941
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 3: Some of those people that live out in the trees, they.

942
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: They are they got some I live out in the

943
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: tree thoughts, Yes they do.

944
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: They don't even like that. The bark is brown. But

945
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: let's move on. Oregon State. Oregon State, they're PAC twelve run.

946
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: It felt like they were always trying to ice skate

947
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: uphill and then at the end there they really caught

948
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: some traction. How do you feel like they I mean,

949
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 3: it's weird to say, how are they set up for

950
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: the future, because what even is the future? But yeah,

951
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: I'm I'm really curious what you think about their PAC

952
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 3: twelve run and how they'll move forward.

953
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing is their their history, Oregon State's history.

954
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: They go through these ebbs and flows, you know what

955
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean, like to where they're they catch a little

956
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: wave when when the team is right and then they dip.

957
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: But that was so they had a big run in

958
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: the right direction, like two thousand and two, three with

959
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: Dennis Ericson, and then Mike Riley had some good times.

960
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 2: Then he goes ten and four, nine and four, nine

961
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 2: and four, and I mean he had a nice little

962
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: run there at Oregon State, and then things got bad

963
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: after he left. But but even during those years he

964
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: had some five and seven, three and nine. You know,

965
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: it's it's ebbs and flows there, the bad.

966
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: Very amount of stability considering that the beginning of their

967
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: Pac twelve run was well, not the beginning, but the

968
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 3: next five six years were treacherous.

969
00:59:53,160 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's where if college football coach was is

970
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: what it is now, Mike Riley would have got snatched

971
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: up long before then. Yeah. Absolutely, And then Jonason Smith

972
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: gets the job in twenty eighteen, and it's just a

973
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: steady ascension. It's just every single year you're like, oh,

974
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: they're a little bit better, a little bit better. They

975
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: got the offense figured out, they got the defense figured out,

976
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: and in places like Oregon State, Arizona, stuff like that.

977
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: If you can figure out recruiting and stop recruiting off

978
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: a list and worrying about how many stars a kid

979
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: has and all of that and just go evaluate talent,

980
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 2: you're going to be good because you are going to

981
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: be able to get kids that the big schools and

982
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: the big budgets are ignoring, and they're just as good

983
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: as their players.

984
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: Yep. They got the stadium upgrade. I felt like, I

985
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: felt like maybe the most brutal thing of any because

986
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 3: you know, Arizona fans are up in arms, Washington fans

987
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 3: are up in arms. I think it was maybe most

988
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 3: brutal that Like, if the PAC twelve stays together, I

989
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 3: think Jonathan Smith is still there.

990
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

991
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 3: I think they're probably a top four team going into

992
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: next year with a chance to maybe make a serious

993
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: run surprise some people. And with twelve teams going to

994
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: the college football playoffs, all of a sudden, you start

995
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 3: to think of Oregon State as a contender. And so

996
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: I really feel I actually do feel for them because

997
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: what happened cost them dearly. Could they be fine? I

998
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: don't know, because I honestly don't even know what life

999
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: looks like for them moving forward. It's one of those

1000
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 3: things I gotta see to actually understand, oh for sure,

1001
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: for sure, because there's no clear path forward.

1002
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, we're not even sure what forward looks like.

1003
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: In the short term, they're a Mountain West School sort of. Yeah,

1004
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: and they do still get to play Oregon, but like

1005
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: there's no chance that they upset Oregon, you know what

1006
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 2: I mean, Like like that's the I think the bad

1007
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: part about it for their fans and for people who

1008
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: wanted that rivalry to keep on going is that when

1009
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: you look at one roster compared to the other, it's

1010
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: just not like I mean, it's just not gonna happen

1011
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: and it and you can go into that game hoping

1012
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: against hope, but unless Oregon has a bunch of turnovers

1013
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: or something like that, it's it's it's not going to

1014
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: be pretty.

1015
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 3: I think they've a pretty obvious best year worst year

1016
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. Yeah, winning ten wins, Vegas Bowl and

1017
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 3: then the Gary Anderson getting fired in the middle of

1018
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 3: the year, Corey Hall taking over them. Going one and

1019
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 3: eleven feels like the worst year, but it led to

1020
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: some cool things with Jonathan Smith. See best player is

1021
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: very tough.

1022
01:02:54,600 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: M what's the what's the little five five five wives?

1023
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's your favorite guy.

1024
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 3: No it's not. He's not even a top five favorite

1025
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: receiver of mine. I just thought it was cool that

1026
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: he was out there doing like Earl Boykins. They had

1027
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks and Marcus Wheaton on the same roster.

1028
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm gonna go with Brandon Cooks because that that

1029
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 2: boy was dangerous.

1030
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 3: He was very very good. It's hard. It's also hard

1031
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 3: to not go with someone maybe more more recent, you know,

1032
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: but even then it's not like, you know, they were

1033
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 3: given all the carries to Fenwick or all the carries

1034
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 3: to Martinez, so nobody like really blew up, blew up.

1035
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 3: If you take Cooks, I'll take Wheat and we'll just

1036
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 3: split the baby on that one. But it feels weird

1037
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 3: not picking. Ah, it always feels weird not picking like

1038
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 3: an Oregon State running back because it feels like they've

1039
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 3: always been able to kind of run the ball a

1040
01:03:59,040 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: little bit.

1041
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 2: No, that makes a lot of sense.

1042
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 3: Definitely nobody on defense. No, in my opinion, from the

1043
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: last from their from their PAC twelve run.

1044
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all right, go for me. Their all

1045
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: time best player is probably Chad Johnson.

1046
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so well, Stephen Jackson was there. They had houstin

1047
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 3: Zada for a minute. Man, Dennis Erickson really went eleven

1048
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: to one with these dudes. That was wild, all right,

1049
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:38,439
Speaker 3: So I have I'm officially stumped. What follows Oregon state

1050
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 3: in the alphabet. We've been doing this for four and

1051
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: a half years and I still don't know, Like without

1052
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: pulling it up, I don't know.

1053
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: Uh, Stanford.

1054
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 3: For real? Yeah, all right, why not, let's go to Stanford.

1055
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: If we're wrong, We'll find out.

1056
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I will. I mean it is USC,

1057
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: A U or A.

1058
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 3: It's gotta be a even though University of Oregon is

1059
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 3: not a you whatever, Stanford it is. It feels very

1060
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 3: weird to be talking about Stanford and being dumb at

1061
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: the same time. Again, accuh, if Troy Taylor is who

1062
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: he maybe feels like he could be, maybe they have

1063
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: a decent future. They're still gonna get five of the

1064
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 3: top one hundred and fifty recruits in the country every

1065
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 3: single year, because when Stanford offers your kid, it's very

1066
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: hard to say no.

1067
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: Great.

1068
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 3: But they just they just went three and nine three

1069
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 3: years in a row. Yes, their last four full seasons

1070
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,919
Speaker 3: were all very bad.

1071
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as Yeah, that's tough.

1072
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: Are they are they gonna be duke two point zero

1073
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: in the a CC or are they going to have

1074
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: like a crazy home field advantage from people having to

1075
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 3: fly all the way across the country.

1076
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: Certainly they have no home field advantage.

1077
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: Nobody did when they did when they had to play

1078
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 3: in a park or whatever, or practice in a park.

1079
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 2: That's funny. When they were up at Yeah, when they

1080
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: went out to Washington and they were practicing in a park. Bro,

1081
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: that's wow.

1082
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: The best player is This is the fun This is

1083
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: the most fun one because it's it's McCaffrey or Luck.

1084
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: Even though they did have what like Slomon Thomas and

1085
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 3: Toby Caerhart and uh, there's a lot of dudes to

1086
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: choose from.

1087
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 2: He should have won the Heisman Trophy. He had things

1088
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: going against him. Number Number one, he was white at

1089
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 2: playing running back. I definitely do did that. I think

1090
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 2: it took people a while to but because there was

1091
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: already that narrative about the PAC twelve. So then it

1092
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: was oh, white running back doing it in the soft

1093
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: PAC twelve, So I think that that was the narrative.

1094
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now he's doing it in the soft NFC West,

1095
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 3: home of the most Super Bowl appearances of like any

1096
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 3: conference in the last twenty years. Yeah. I I'll say

1097
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 3: Andrew Luck, but that's a tough one. Man. Worst year

1098
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 3: is tough, because you know it's got to be one

1099
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: of the last three. They did have a very good

1100
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 3: PAC twelve run. Yeah, yes, they very good. Yes they

1101
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: did it.

1102
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: And remember people were yelling at me, and I was

1103
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: trying to I've been trying to yell at everybody since

1104
01:07:55,320 --> 01:08:02,360
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen and tell them intellectual brutality is dead. And

1105
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 2: what do they say, No, it's not, No it's not

1106
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 2: He'll be fine. No that's not the truth. It was

1107
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: clear as day that that in twenty seventeen, that the

1108
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: that the switch was flipping off twenty eighteen. Yeah, in

1109
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen goes from nine wins to four and then

1110
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: four again to three and three more.

1111
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: And I thought NCAA rules always disadvantaged Stanford, which is

1112
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 3: a dumb thing to hear yourself say out loud, because

1113
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 3: like all those poor Stanford kids, but the early signing

1114
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 3: day brutal, just brutal for them.

1115
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the recruiting didn't match, Like the holdover from Hardball

1116
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 2: was good, but then something got lost in strategy and

1117
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,760
Speaker 2: and like something got lost in the direction towards the

1118
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: end of David Shaw's tenure and he couldn't get it

1119
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 2: back on track. Yeah, and it was a try.

1120
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 3: You have the nine wins. The nine wins though in

1121
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, and some Stanford fans were like, well,

1122
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 3: we're closer to eleven wins than we are to seven,

1123
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 3: and there are people who felt very differently, and then

1124
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: it just all fell off. It fell off really when

1125
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 3: this podcast started. So maybe it's our fault. No, I

1126
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 3: mean we never got to cover a good Stanford team.

1127
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 2: Don't mind that, all right, was the best year they

1128
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 2: were side for a long time.

1129
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 3: I mean they I mean they were them being good

1130
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 3: is what really threw it over the top. That the

1131
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 3: North dominated the South for the majority of the PAC twelve.

1132
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yep, yeah, Oregon, Oregon had USC I mean

1133
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: had Stanford trauma for a while.

1134
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 3: So which Rose Bull season was their best? The twenty

1135
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: fifteen twelve and two won the Rose Bowl or twenty

1136
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 3: twelve twelve and two won the Rose Bowl?

1137
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 2: You go with twenty fifteen one twenty fifteen because they

1138
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: actually won the Rose Bowl that year. They won in

1139
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: twenty twelve two. Oh yeah yeah, yeah they did.

1140
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 3: So their losses in twenty fifteen were to Oregon by

1141
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,839
Speaker 3: two and to Northwestern in week one of the season.

1142
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: Oh, that's when they went to North Northwestern and played

1143
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: that early game.

1144
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: And then in twenty twelve, their only losses were to

1145
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: Washington by four and Notre Dame by one score, and

1146
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 3: then they just rattled off I think eight straight to

1147
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 3: end the season, including running through four straight ranked teams

1148
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 3: Oregon State number one Oregon at the time, number fifteen UCLA,

1149
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 3: and then turn around and beat UCLA again in the

1150
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 3: Pactal Championship one week later, six days.

1151
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: Now, they finished number number three in the nation. So

1152
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, So I'm gonna take that twenty fifteen

1153
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 2: with the Rose Bowl win.

1154
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say because they beat

1155
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 3: the number two and number three team in the country,

1156
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 3: no Number two and number one team in the country

1157
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve USC and then at Oregon, I'll take

1158
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 3: that year because the Beach of Ducks.

1159
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, how do you think that they're gonna fare

1160
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 2: in the ACC.

1161
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 3: Better than Cal? Slightly better than CAL. I do think

1162
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: there'll be a top six to seven team right out

1163
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: of the gate.

1164
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: And then.

1165
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 3: What will be very interesting is if the stability of

1166
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 3: the ACC comes into play, because if you have Clemson

1167
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: and Florida State breakoff, then maybe Stanford is like, hey,

1168
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 3: we could win this thing, so we'll see.

1169
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we shall see. All right, next team up is

1170
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: I guess we go to from Stanford to the US. Right,

1171
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: so then pose, why not you tak okay? So then

1172
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: that goes UCLA.

1173
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 3: Or UCLA again, can't alphabet English major from Arizona State

1174
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 3: can't alphabet here, we go UCLA, they believe it or not,

1175
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: only had three coaches in the Pac twelve era. They

1176
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 3: had two interims, Jetfish for two games in twenty seventeen

1177
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: and Mike Johnson for two games in twenty eleven.

1178
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: Oh so they had Moura Chip and.

1179
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 3: They had one year of new Heisel the first year

1180
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 3: of Pac twelve play.

1181
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 2: They are not better often they were. I mean it's

1182
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 2: so hard for me because they're not recruiting.

1183
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 3: Yes, Mora was recruiting, but those kids would flame out

1184
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 3: like good kids with really good evaluations, like Jalen Phillips

1185
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 3: had to go to Miami to like do something different.

1186
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: You know.

1187
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't understand, like how they are so

1188
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 2: bad at recruiting. I mean when you look at UCLA

1189
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 2: in I said in twenty twenty four. Right, according to

1190
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,560
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven, they are, Lord, have mercy. Let

1191
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 2: me find them all the way down in the forties

1192
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 2: and I can't find them. They've had continuity at head

1193
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 2: coach for quite some time, right, like they've been living

1194
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: in the portal. Oh my god, where are they? They're below?

1195
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 2: You tell how they doing. I thought I had to

1196
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: have passed them, bro. They have eleven commits in twenty

1197
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1198
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 3: And they're probably all like six foot three and a

1199
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,600
Speaker 3: half thirty pounds away from being able to get on

1200
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 3: the field.

1201
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: Ralph, they're ranked number seventy seven. They have one four

1202
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: star kid, a kid, a kid kid I know named

1203
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: Quasi Gilmore at wide out. He'll be good.

1204
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 3: I don't wander Angelus, California.

1205
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 2: They are all very tall, jeez.

1206
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: That is what he with. Tall kids that sleep nine

1207
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 3: hours a night and don't have shellfish allergies.

1208
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 2: That's that's And they have eleven transfers D line, offensive tackle, safety, cornerback,

1209
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: long snapper, linebacker, edge, edge kicker, wide receiver, and safety.

1210
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: That's what they got. Yeah, So, I mean, recruiting rankings

1211
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 2: aren't everything, as we all understand. But you're going to

1212
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 2: have more success if you put good coaching with higher

1213
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: rank recruits. Yeah, so I'm not sure what the strategy is.

1214
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: But then there's also talk that Chip may be headed

1215
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: to the NFL, which is very strange to me, bro

1216
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: because this timing would be atrocious. However, though, if he

1217
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: does go to the NFL, somebody's getting that job and

1218
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: UCLA is not going to hire an inexperienced head coach.

1219
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 3: I don't think there's guys out here interviewing for jobs

1220
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 3: right now. Now, do I think they come back to

1221
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 3: college football? But no, But David Shaw put his name

1222
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 3: back out there, like there's there. You know there will

1223
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 3: be people available. Will it be the best person available?

1224
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 3: Probably not?

1225
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: But like u c LA's a d Jarmond and UCLA

1226
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 2: is clearly being very aggressive because they're going to the

1227
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 2: Big ten. But I don't know how you leave them,

1228
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 2: Like how do you do that? Right? I mean, how

1229
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,440
Speaker 2: who do you hire at UCLA of Chip leaves.

1230
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 3: Man? I would I would probably, I mean I'd probably

1231
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 3: reach out to one of these. And I know it's

1232
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: hard to get people out of the NFL at this point.

1233
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 3: I know that, But Baltimore's got a hell of an

1234
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator. Man, they really do, and he won a

1235
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 3: national championship.

1236
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: Could you take UCLA's USC's defensive coordinator back from.

1237
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 3: Your head coach? Yes, that'd be so funny. Uh we

1238
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 3: remember before the season, We're like Danton Lins never called

1239
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 3: the defense. This could be disastrous for u c l A.

1240
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: He was like the best hire of the year. Yeah,

1241
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, So here is one that I

1242
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 3: think maybe you'll have a tough time with. Best player

1243
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 3: of the Pac twelve era for.

1244
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: U c l A. M M gotta be the quarterback.

1245
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 3: They have three very very very good quarterbacks in this time.

1246
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: You know who I'm gonna go with? Two hold on,

1247
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 2: let me let me google his name to make sure

1248
01:17:53,880 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: the years that he played, because if so, I'm this

1249
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 2: is an easy selection for me because on one hand

1250
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: I thought the guy was so he got drafted in

1251
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 2: two thy fourteen perfect. Perfect Anthony Barr.

1252
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: He's very good. He's very good. I don't know if

1253
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 3: i'd put him above Eric Kendricks, but he is very,

1254
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 3: very very good. I mean he was kind of better

1255
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 3: than Kendricks on one of the teams where they were

1256
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 3: on the team together.

1257
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, he was. And if you think about it,

1258
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: he was doing what LA two was doing this year,

1259
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: except for LAT two. He did it longer at UCLA

1260
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: than LAT two did, so I think that you have

1261
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 2: to put him above LAT two, even though that LA

1262
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: two may end up being better, but Anthony barstill playing

1263
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 2: in the League two.

1264
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: I will say they had some very I mean, they

1265
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 3: probably had four of my favorite running backs in the

1266
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 3: Pac twelve era. The fact that they still were mediocre

1267
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,640
Speaker 3: is wild to me. They had definitely some of my

1268
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 3: favorite linebackers. They had both a Diggy zooas on the

1269
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 3: on the defensive line. They had so many good players.

1270
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 3: But it's funny because you get into the quarterback thing

1271
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 3: and you're like, Okay, well, Dorian Thompson Robinson was a

1272
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 3: quarterback there for five years, but I don't think you

1273
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 3: ever had a double digit win season. So then you go, well,

1274
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 3: what about the guy that was pick tenth overall Josh

1275
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 3: Rosen who took the whole country by storm? Maybe, but

1276
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: truly the quarterback that they had the most success with

1277
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: is Brett Hunley. Yeah, and so I think I think

1278
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: I have to go Brett Hunley because wasn't he part

1279
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 3: of the ten win teams?

1280
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: Brett Hunley, Oh god, yes, yes, he was bro they

1281
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: and he was super good.

1282
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: M Yeah, I when they've also had some really good

1283
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 3: O linement and then they they had Tac McKinley too,

1284
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 3: who I always forget what went to UCLA. But yeah,

1285
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 3: I don't know. To me, I'm I'm gonna go Brett Huntley.

1286
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 3: But like, that's a tough one with Rosen and uh

1287
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: and Dorian Thompson Robinson there and then just all of

1288
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: those linebackers running backs. It's such a surprise that they

1289
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: that they didn't put together better years. Which of the

1290
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 3: ten win seasons do you think was better? Because they

1291
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 3: actually I think in twenty in one of the years

1292
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 3: they lost to like every ranked team they played. Yeah,

1293
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 3: I know they lost to Oregon. They lost to Oregon

1294
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 3: both those years. Actually yeah, but they did be USC twice,

1295
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 3: so maybe it's a tie. Maybe it's a tie between

1296
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 3: both those seasons. But yeah, I don't know. How do

1297
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 3: you think they'll fare in the Big Ten?

1298
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 2: I think terrible, terrible, terrible. I mean they will be

1299
01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 2: what Nebraska Maryland ruggers are now. They'll have a.

1300
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: I think it was a waste of their entire big huh.

1301
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 3: You think four and five like I'm I'm I mean,

1302
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 3: I think disastrous. Think about it, dude. They they spent

1303
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 3: the last five years trying to get big for the

1304
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 3: Pac twelve. Now they're gonna go after spending the last

1305
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 3: five years trying to get big, go be undersized in conference.

1306
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: They should like if they had they focused on speed

1307
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 3: and athleticism, then maybe they would have some type of

1308
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 3: like gimmick to get through this.

1309
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,520
Speaker 2: Mm okay, let's see their schedule.

1310
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna suck. I think the only reason

1311
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 3: you would hear Chip Kelly thinking about being an offensive

1312
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: coordinator instead of getting five plus million dollars a year

1313
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 3: to keep his job would be if he knew it too.

1314
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: So they play at Hawaii, so they'll win that game.

1315
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 2: They play in Siana at LSU, yikes, Oregon at Penn State.

1316
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: So what's their record through five games?

1317
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 3: Two and three? Optimistically?

1318
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: Then they play Minnesota that feels evenly matched. Yeah, at Ruggers,

1319
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: toss up at Nebraska Okay, Iowa Okay, at Washington Okay,

1320
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: and USC.

1321
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: I think that's a five win team at best. I

1322
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: don't mean to be a hater. I just never thought

1323
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,879
Speaker 3: the Big Ten was a good place for UCLA.

1324
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you got to have a roster bro or

1325
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 2: you gotta have a gimmick. You have a roster or

1326
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 2: a gimmick, which USC has Yep, UCLA does not. Okay,

1327
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: now on to usc USC. I mean they are in

1328
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 2: the Lincoln Riley era. How are you judging them so far? Well? Actually,

1329
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 2: I would say, first, how would you judge their PAC

1330
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 2: twelve era?

1331
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: Considering that they were had some sanctions. I would say

1332
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 3: it was probably overall disappointing. They had five five double

1333
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 3: digit win seasons in twelve years of the of the

1334
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 3: PAC twelve. You, if you're USC, you have to consider

1335
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 3: that a disappointment because you had five double digit win

1336
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 3: seasons from four to eight, right, So I think overall

1337
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 3: it was an extreme disappointment. The fact that even when

1338
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 3: they went eleven and three, people hated Clay Hilton, the

1339
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 3: fact that they hung on for another four years in

1340
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 3: two games, I think upset a lot of that fan base.

1341
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 3: And they were ready to be back back in twenty

1342
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 3: twenty two and thought they'd be building on it in

1343
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. So I think they end the PAC

1344
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: twelve era with a really, really bad taste in their mouth.

1345
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 3: There was not a single season, not a single season

1346
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 3: in which and I know that twenty twenty being in

1347
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 3: there probably maybe shouldn't count, but there's not a single

1348
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 3: season in here where they didn't lose less than three

1349
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 3: games except for the first year of the PAC twelve

1350
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 3: when they were not allowed to participate in a bowl.

1351
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 3: So I think overall that you based on the standard

1352
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 3: at USC. I think it was a really really bad

1353
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 3: time because they were in a down PAC twelve South.

1354
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 2: The entire time as well, and they couldn't win it, Nope.

1355
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 3: And they did not play in a bowl in twenty

1356
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 3: twenty one, did not play in a bowl in twenty eighteen,

1357
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 3: and then we're not allowed to I believe in twenty ten,

1358
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven. So three of the years didn't make

1359
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 3: a bowl. Don't count the COVID year. But that's not

1360
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: USC's standard, not by a long shot. Bro.

1361
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 2: That's crazy that they that they tarmac Lane at hit

1362
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: three and two. That's wild. But because because he had

1363
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: had a ten win season then was seven and six

1364
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: and then started out the season two and three, say nara, buddy,

1365
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 2: and went through Sark Clay Helton. Yeah, this was this

1366
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: is not the move out. But I would say that

1367
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 2: they're for USC. They're not going to feel like the

1368
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 2: Pac twelve run was good at all because they're USC

1369
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 2: and they believe that they are supposed to be at

1370
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain top and they have yeah,

1371
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: and they are supposed to be at the at the

1372
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 2: top of the mountaintop.

1373
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1374
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 2: So and they're not going to be happy with that.

1375
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 3: And it's weird because we talk about like best year

1376
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 3: or whatever, and even buy USC fans standards, I don't

1377
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 3: think they have a lot of best years in here.

1378
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: But you do have to point out the fact that

1379
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 3: Clay Hilton did win a Rose Bowl in twenty sixteen,

1380
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 3: so and they were they finished top ten. The best

1381
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 3: they actually did was under Clay Hilton with two top

1382
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 3: ten finishes yep, which is probably a hard pill to

1383
01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 3: swallow because they didn't want that dude there. And yeah,

1384
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 3: I would have to say that winning the Rose Bowl

1385
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: is probably their best pack twelve year twenty sixteen, right, Yep,

1386
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 3: for sure is the guy because I mean then then

1387
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 3: you're probably saying it is Caleb Williams over Sam Donald.

1388
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: Yes, one guy has Do you remember how you brought

1389
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 2: that Heisman Trophy thing up to me about they got

1390
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 2: an all time great and a number one pick, Yes,

1391
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 2: going to the College Football Hall of Fame. Everything else

1392
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: they got a razy I don't think Sam Donald's going

1393
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: to the College Football Hall of Fame. He's not going

1394
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 2: to be remembered with the love that he probably should be.

1395
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably even after being a red shirt sophomore. Not great.

1396
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 3: Uh And it was really that freshman season that was

1397
01:27:59,600 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: his best.

1398
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: And was he an All American? I don't know, because

1399
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 2: you can't go to the College Football Hall of Fame

1400
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: if you're not if you haven't been in All America.

1401
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not one hundred percent sure, but

1402
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 3: I do know that.

1403
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 2: He wells that aren't even eligible.

1404
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 3: He lost a rivalry game to Notre Dame, he lost

1405
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 3: a rivalry game to Stanford, He lost at Utah, he

1406
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 3: lost to Alabama, but he didn't really I mean he

1407
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 3: didn't really play. He didn't actually play in that Stanford

1408
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 3: and Alabama game. So that first year when he took over,

1409
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 3: he after losing to Utah, he never lost again. It

1410
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 3: really was a pretty magical run that lasts like nine

1411
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 3: games of the twenty sixteen season. Skill wise, I'll give

1412
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 3: you Caleb, but that season, the way it ended, would

1413
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 3: they lose to like Tulane or something? Yeah, I mean,

1414
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 3: I mean Caleb is better than Sam dark in my

1415
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 3: He's better. Was he a better Trojan?

1416
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, So let's let's just look at right

1417
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 2: pro football Hall of famers that aren't in the college

1418
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 2: football Hall of Fame, Right, Okay? Eric Dickerson, Right, Lynn Dawson,

1419
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: Anthony Munos wow, who was also a pitcher for the

1420
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 2: their national championship team as well in baseball, Bruce Matthews,

1421
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: John Mackie, who the college Award for tight ends is

1422
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 2: named after, Larry Wilson, Lou Groza, who the who the

1423
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 2: kicking Award is named out, Uh, Joe Namath, Joe Montana,

1424
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:52,879
Speaker 2: and Vince Lombardy.

1425
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, well I'll throw I'll throw one other

1426
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 3: name out there in the pack to era, because you

1427
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 3: brought up to Anthony Thomas and so I think just

1428
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: on the level of excitement alone, Uh, you have to

1429
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 3: you have to say this guy's name, and that's a

1430
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 3: Dorr Jackson. Yeah.

1431
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 2: I think it was a little bit over over radio

1432
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: compared to the hype. But like and when I and

1433
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: when I say that over the word over rated. I

1434
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 2: mean no disrespect with that. I mean he was super good,

1435
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: but I think that like Robert Woods would have been better.

1436
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. But but Dorry, I'm talking so Dory won the

1437
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 3: Thorpe he did. Yeah, yeah, he won Pack twelve Defensive

1438
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: Player of the Year too. So I'm not even talking

1439
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 3: about his special teams or offense.

1440
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that.

1441
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 3: Yeah he was he.

1442
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 2: The year before he came out, right.

1443
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 3: I think so?

1444
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, because because the year he ended up

1445
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: coming out. Yeah, they threw Adam at Utah. I didn't

1446
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 2: think that was tough.

1447
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I they you know, they have a lot

1448
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 3: of good players. I mean they had players that were

1449
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 3: not good in college who you knew were good that

1450
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,640
Speaker 3: are tearing up in the NFL, like a Monroe Saint Brown. So,

1451
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 3: and then they had the like the rental guys like

1452
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 3: Jordan Addison and like, yes, he deserves to be in

1453
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 3: a conversation about just overall greatness, but maybe not no

1454
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 3: Trojan Yeah.

1455
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so who So, how are they positioned to

1456
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:30,720
Speaker 2: go into the Big Ten?

1457
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 3: Better than UCLA but still not I'm not super confident.

1458
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: So they're twenty twenty four schedule. So l LSU's whole

1459
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 2: year is gonna depend on how they fare in the

1460
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 2: beginning of the season versus H. You said USC, then

1461
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 2: U C l A. So they got LSU win or loss.

1462
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: It's an ellegial I think it's a toss up. You

1463
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 2: want to know my primary worry about USC. That primary

1464
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 2: worry the way that the LA and surrounding area high

1465
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: school coaches talk about him, because now you're going into

1466
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 2: the Big Ten and you should own Southern California. You should,

1467
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 2: especially because you'd be able to say we're we're going

1468
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 2: to go play against all of them, so you don't

1469
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 2: have to worry about, oh, I want to go to

1470
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,719
Speaker 2: Ohio State. No, you get a chance to play against

1471
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 2: them here we are.

1472
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Because even if you have somebody who grew up

1473
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 3: a UCLA fan that rushes for six thousand yards at

1474
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 3: the high school level and wants to go to UCLA,

1475
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 3: if they're not five to nine, then chim Kelly's not

1476
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 3: gonna take them like, so you like, there has never

1477
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 3: been a bigger opportunity for a monopoly over some of

1478
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 3: the best athletes in the country than there is right

1479
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 3: now for USC. But you listen to some of the

1480
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 3: ways that the high school coaches talk about him, and

1481
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 3: it is not encouraging. Yeah, I think it's repairable because

1482
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: you're still us.

1483
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, cause, see, the problem is is that you

1484
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 2: can't look snooty about the California kids and then want

1485
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 2: to get more California kids. So on some level, like

1486
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 2: you do have to scratch your back every now and then,

1487
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 2: yeah and yeah and Okay. So they got LSU, Utah

1488
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 2: State at Michigan, Wisconsin at Minnesota, Penn State at Maryland,

1489
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 2: Rutgers at Washington, Nebraska at UCLA, and Notre Dame. I

1490
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 2: think that this, dude, they they got a chance because

1491
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 2: Michigan's going to be down some except they probably still

1492
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 2: will be exceptionally physical, so that could present a problem.

1493
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 2: But this looks like a nine win team to me.

1494
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't see them winning seven games.

1495
01:33:56,040 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 3: Again, No, but nine is also not the standard. This

1496
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 3: is Lincoln Riley. What like nine wins at Oklahoma would

1497
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 3: have got him strung up. So I don't know, dude,

1498
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 3: They definitely to me seem very much better positioned than U. C.

1499
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: L A.

1500
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 3: And then just based on talent loss alone, I would

1501
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 3: say probably Washington as well.

1502
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 2: If I were the love the move, if I if

1503
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,320
Speaker 2: I were them, the one thing I would want to

1504
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 2: do is switch the Notre Dame game with the Maryland game,

1505
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 2: so then we can play Penn State then Notre Dame.

1506
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 2: If we drop those two, then on the back end

1507
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 2: we got Rutgers Washington, who's going to be down a

1508
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 2: little bit, uh, Nebraska U C l A. And then

1509
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 2: finish the season with with Maryland.

1510
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1511
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 2: Like so then you got all of this momentum and

1512
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 2: runway heading into the bowl game.

1513
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 3: I need a five minute.

1514
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 2: Direction now onto the Utah youths because Ralph, I actually

1515
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: think that they had the best run in the PAC

1516
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 2: twelve from where they came from, because you would not

1517
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 2: have expected, like if I told you when they first

1518
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 2: entered the PAC twelve. They came in the same time

1519
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 2: as Colorado, and they have had a much easier time

1520
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 2: in the PAC twelve than Colorado has.

1521
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 3: Definitely that is true. Do you know how sometimes they

1522
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 3: say that like there's a there's no better Christian than

1523
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 3: a convert, right, Like if you were raising it, maybe

1524
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 3: you take it for granted, but like you if you're

1525
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 3: one of those big tent revival converts, then it's about

1526
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 3: to become your whole life, your whole personality. You'd be

1527
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 3: down at the river doing baptisms every weekend. I feel

1528
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 3: like Utah is the quintessential Pac twelve member. They embraced

1529
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 3: it more than anybody else. They went. They left kicking

1530
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 3: and screaming. They hate the idea of going to the

1531
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 3: Big twelve, even though I feel like they'll fit in

1532
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 3: fine there, and they really really finished strong. The bizarre

1533
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,880
Speaker 3: stat about how strong they finished, though, is that they

1534
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 3: are zero to five in bowl games since twenty eighteen.

1535
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's actually a little bit surprising because you

1536
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: would have thought that they would have been better in

1537
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 2: bowl games considering how much success that the team had.

1538
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 3: I mean, as an Arizona State fan, I've built my

1539
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,559
Speaker 3: whole person personality around a nineteen ninety six Rose Bowl loss.

1540
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 3: So I mean, I can't imagine the joy of going

1541
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 3: to a Rose Bowl and back to back seasons like

1542
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 3: they did in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two.

1543
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 3: But they did lose them both. They did go ten

1544
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 3: and four both times. But I mean, if you throw

1545
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty out and you just say the last four

1546
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 3: seasons eleven and three in twenty nineteen, ten and four

1547
01:36:50,439 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, ten and four in twenty twenty

1548
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,719
Speaker 3: two and eight and five and twenty twenty three without

1549
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 3: their quarterback. So I mean, yeah, I mean, I have

1550
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 3: nothing but good to say about how Utah adapted, how

1551
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 3: they slowly built their program to be better than UCLA,

1552
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 3: be better than USC. Overtake Arizona State, who they struggled

1553
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 3: with for fifteen sixteen years. Even outside of the time

1554
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 3: of the PAC twelve struggle with Arizona State, they overtook them.

1555
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 3: They really were the pride of the PAC twelve South

1556
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 3: and had won two, three, four or five, six, seven

1557
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 3: top twenty five finishes as a member of the PAC twelve.

1558
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 3: Very very impressive.

1559
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense to me for Utah

1560
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 2: because they in like when they were able to hire

1561
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 2: Kyle Whittingham, they did a great job, Like that was

1562
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 2: an excellent hire, and they found somebody who was willing

1563
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 2: to stay because how many times do you think that

1564
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 2: he's been offered jobs.

1565
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 3: Based on your definition of offered, probably every five seconds

1566
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 3: for the last ten years, Like the the idea that

1567
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 3: he's on people's wish lists, I mean, and then we

1568
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 3: were getting rumors that he was going to retire, and

1569
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 3: he and he signed an extension, you know, yep. And

1570
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 3: given you know, a couple of players passing away in

1571
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 3: a short amount of time, that's a lot to deal with.

1572
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 3: I get it.

1573
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was probably very emotional.

1574
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 3: But he I mean, when people think of Utah, they

1575
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 3: think of him. They don't think of urban Meyer anymore.

1576
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 3: Like he took over for urban Meyer, and most of

1577
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 3: his assistants have been with him for a very long time.

1578
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 3: He's got more program loyalty than any college football program

1579
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 3: that isn't you know, built in nepotism of like the

1580
01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:55,519
Speaker 3: Iowa Hawkeyes or whatever He's got. He's got so.

1581
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 2: Many assistants that have been with But is that really loyalty.

1582
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know, because well, you're talking

1583
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 3: about Morgan Scalley. Be hard to get a job anywhere else.

1584
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 2: No, No, well no, no, I was I was talking

1585
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 2: about the Iowa situation.

1586
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 3: On the only person you need to be loyal at

1587
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 3: Iowa is whoever's signed the check. So somebody's loyal to

1588
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 3: somebody over at Iowa, and the rest of it, you know,

1589
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 3: is just whatever Kirk Farns wants you know. But yeah,

1590
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 3: I think Utah is maybe a healthier situation, even though

1591
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 3: Iowa fans will tell you, well, we won ten games too, sure,

1592
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 3: sure you did. Utah had a better offense than you

1593
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 3: starting a pig farmer, So walk on, pig farmer. I

1594
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 3: do not believe Utah to be the Iowa of the

1595
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 3: PAC twelve, but I don't know. I can't say enough

1596
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 3: good about Utah objectively speaking, if you're holding every team

1597
01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 3: to the same standard, was Utah the best? No, they

1598
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 3: might not even be in the top three. But as

1599
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 3: far as expectations, how they acclimated, what they overcame, the

1600
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:13,439
Speaker 3: program's stability, the excitement, the fan base, Like, I just

1601
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 3: couldn't say enough good about them. And to know that

1602
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 3: they hated leaving the PAC twelve more than anyone else,

1603
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 3: I think gives me a little bit more affinity for

1604
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 3: Utah than most of the other fan bases.

1605
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I believe that they are headed in the

1606
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 2: right direction, and I actually think that they're actually poised

1607
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 2: to do really well in the Big twelve. I mean,

1608
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 2: when you look at what the Big twelve has left

1609
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 2: Oklahoma State, can you talk compete with them? Yeah? Iowa State, Yeah,

1610
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 2: Kansas State, West Virginia, Texas Tech, Kansas, UCF TCU Houston, BYU, Baylor,

1611
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 2: and Sincy. This seems exactly where they should be.

1612
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 3: It's a different welcome though. When they came to the

1613
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 3: Pac twelve, we were like, hey, you know, cool, another

1614
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,640
Speaker 3: win for us. The Big Twelve. The Big twelve is

1615
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 3: already hates them so much. There is already so much

1616
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 3: built in animosity toward Utah. Every environment they go to

1617
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 3: is going to be extra hostile. And I've tried to

1618
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 3: warn these Big Twelve fans George, like, you guys don't

1619
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:29,560
Speaker 3: know what you're getting into. This team is nasty. You

1620
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 3: will leave a win against Utah feeling like you lost.

1621
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 2: Yep, that's a fact.

1622
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 3: But I don't know what would you say their best

1623
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 3: year is and best player. They did have the eleven

1624
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 3: win twenty nineteen, but it wasn't a Rose Bowl year.

1625
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:50,400
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two were Rose Bowl years,

1626
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty one they went eight and one in conference.

1627
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm going back way too far with like

1628
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 2: with like Star to.

1629
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 3: Star Lotule or whatever his name is, Yeah.

1630
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 2: But probably Ooh or Devin Huh of the linebacker numbers

1631
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 2: three ro yes.

1632
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was the twenty twenty one year. Is

1633
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 3: was like Cam Rising's first year on the job. Twenty touchdowns,

1634
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 3: five interceptions. You had the tavi On Thomas who is

1635
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:38,639
Speaker 3: one of the players that unfortunately lost his life. Eleven

1636
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 3: hundred yards, twenty one touchdowns, and then you had Devin Lloyd,

1637
01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 3: who is probably the best defensive player in the Pac twelve.

1638
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:48,639
Speaker 3: You know, twenty two tackles for lost, seven sacks, scored twice,

1639
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 3: had four picks. That was a really, really good year,

1640
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,640
Speaker 3: and I think they still had some of those d

1641
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:01,400
Speaker 3: lineman like Van Fillinger, and I don't know that that

1642
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 3: was a really really good team. I don't know, man,

1643
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 3: I think maybe twenty twenty one is it for me.

1644
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 3: It's hard to believe Cole Bishop was still there at

1645
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 3: that time.

1646
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 2: Clark Phillips actually might be like he's one of those

1647
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 2: staples of the program, or.

1648
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 3: Like, didn't they have Britain Covey at like twenty five,

1649
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 3: twenty five year old Britain Covey.

1650
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder you're like, get your old ass up

1651
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 2: out of here.

1652
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 3: Who would you say the best player of the PAC

1653
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 3: twelve era was for for Utah, and it can't be

1654
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 3: an offensive player, can it.

1655
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 2: I think it's got to be a defensive player. It

1656
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 2: has to be because the defense that has been their

1657
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:56,799
Speaker 2: calling card and their hallmark.

1658
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 3: Devin Loyd, it's pretty good, but you'd be talking about

1659
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 3: Bradley and I you be talking about being better than

1660
01:44:06,479 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 3: Lucky Foeto. So I don't know. I think it's a

1661
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 3: it's a tough question, but I don't think you can

1662
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 3: go wrong with Devin Lloyd. If you did have to

1663
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 3: pick somebody on offense, maybe is Zach Moss.

1664
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 2: Hmmm, ooh, Zach Moss was really good. I forgot about

1665
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 2: about him. Yeah, yeah, either de Loyd or Zach Moss.

1666
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 3: De Yeah, I'll go with you. Devin Lloyd's got to be.

1667
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 2: It's got to be him, Yeah, yeah, because they because

1668
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 2: they've had some really good defenders on that on that team.

1669
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 3: So put you on the spot if you had to.

1670
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 3: If somebody handed you five thousand cash and they said,

1671
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 3: all you can do with this cash is bet on

1672
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 3: the winner of the Big Twelve next year. But you

1673
01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 3: could split up the money if you want to, but

1674
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 3: you don't have to.

1675
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 2: I am putting half my money on Utah. Half my

1676
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 2: money on Arizona.

1677
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 3: Man, I don't think Big twelve fans are gonna like

1678
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 3: the new guys coming.

1679
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 2: In and mm hmm nope. Whereas in the SEC, I

1680
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 2: think they're gonna hate Texas, but they won't mind Oklahoma

1681
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 2: as much.

1682
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 3: It would be interesting, for sure.

1683
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 2: Well, but but even Oklahoma's gonna cause a little bit

1684
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: of chaos if they go to nine conference games, bro,

1685
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 2: they are gonna be miserable for sure.

1686
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 3: Well, Washington Husky's best year is gonna be the easiest

1687
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 3: thing we've ever done.

1688
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:54,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, So all to the Washington Huskies.

1689
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:58,560
Speaker 2: Washington Huskies best year twenty twenty three. They went undefeated,

1690
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 2: only team in past twelve history to go to a

1691
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 2: UH to go through the conference play undefeated. They beat

1692
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Oregon again in the conference championship game, get to the playoff,

1693
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 2: beat Texas, end up in the Natty, and then run

1694
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 2: out of gas versus Michigan.

1695
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 3: Run out of Gaspers in Michigan. But I do want

1696
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 3: to point out had four opportunities in the second half

1697
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 3: to tie the game. Correct, Yes, so like they didn't

1698
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,160
Speaker 3: want to talk, It felt like it at the end,

1699
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 3: but that's just because you got people playing desperate.

1700
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and turning it over in your own territory and

1701
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff.

1702
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Four opportunities to tie it in the second half, though,

1703
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 3: is a boat as close as you could hope for.

1704
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 3: They just got punched in the mouth. Uh best? Would

1705
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 3: you say the best player has to come from this

1706
01:46:54,680 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 3: team then, because they their legacy of defensive back. He's

1707
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 3: crazy in the Pac twelve era.

1708
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Byron Murphy Botah Yeah, Buddha Baker. Oh god,

1709
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:17,400
Speaker 2: I forgot his name, the cornerback over at Tennessee whose

1710
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 2: dad went to Oregon. Oh my gosh, his name is

1711
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 2: just stearing me right in the face. Anyways, Yeah. There.

1712
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 2: Their their defense has been, particularly at the defensive back spot,

1713
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 2: has been special. And I look at them and hmm,

1714
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 2: what else like that? This season was so special, But

1715
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 2: their road has been a little bit hectic because the

1716
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 2: Chris Peterson years were obviously really good, but not really

1717
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 2: like marked with the type of success that they would

1718
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 2: have won it except for the year that obviously they

1719
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 2: went to the College Football Playoff, but they were so

1720
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 2: far away in that moment that it was probably hard

1721
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 2: for them to I enjoy it because it felt like

1722
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 2: a little bit hollow because they were like, we weren't

1723
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 2: even close, Like we were undefeated in that season and

1724
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:23,439
Speaker 2: we weren't even close, Like we got our like we

1725
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 2: got everything pushed in wasn't good.

1726
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 3: So wait, were you talking about Marcus Peters or Shaq

1727
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 3: Thompson or Desmont Trufont Who were you?

1728
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh, Mark, Marcus Peters was was really good. Oh god,

1729
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 2: he got drafted by the Titans two years ago. Oh oh, molding, molding, Yeah,

1730
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 2: because his dad went to Oregon. So everybody was like, bro,

1731
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 2: what's what's up with you?

1732
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 3: But I did like they had monsters too, They had

1733
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 3: what Danny Shelton and Vida ba y.

1734
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 2: Yep. And if you're going in the NFL, then yeah

1735
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 2: you're If you're including their NFL career, then Vitave has

1736
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 2: been the best.

1737
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 3: He's been great, for sure. It's weird, And it's weird

1738
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 3: because you have the different chapters. The Sark leaving for

1739
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 3: USC pretty pretty big deal at the time, the Peterson years.

1740
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 3: You know, I think Klein Debor even kind of eclipsed them.

1741
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, Jimmy Lake was only the head coach for

1742
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:34,960
Speaker 3: thirteen games, yep, And no, I didn't get him fired.

1743
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 3: That was his fault. Every once in a while people

1744
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 3: point out on Twitter that I was standing in my

1745
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:46,480
Speaker 3: living room video taping my TV when he popped Ruperaki

1746
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 3: FORV in the helmet. I tweeted it out, and then

1747
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:52,360
Speaker 3: it became a thing like trust me, they were already

1748
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:56,240
Speaker 3: Jen Cohen was already talking about it, regardless of whether

1749
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:57,720
Speaker 3: somebody put it on Twitter or not.

1750
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 2: Dude, so oh and twelve. So they went oh and

1751
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 2: twelve and eight. And I remember Reggie Williams being in

1752
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:07,879
Speaker 2: the locker room with me in Jacksonville, him and Khalif

1753
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 2: Barnes from Washington, and I was like, oh, y'all went

1754
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 2: defeated this season. That's where I coined the term defeated

1755
01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 2: instead of undefeated.

1756
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 3: And they that wasn't even the only time they pulled

1757
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 3: that off. In PAC twelve play, well, they were oh

1758
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 3: and twelve on the season. There were twelve to in

1759
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 3: the season. They went one in ten and four and

1760
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 3: eight and packed ten play. I still remember that.

1761
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 2: Sheh Keith Gilbertson. That was the Keith Gilbertson era.

1762
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been good though, they've been good. They got

1763
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 3: three top ten finishes since twenty sixteen. I believe made

1764
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 3: the College Football Playoff twice. Yep, they got a Fiesta Bowl,

1765
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:58,719
Speaker 3: they got a Rose Bowl, they got a Sugar Bowl.

1766
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 3: Think it was a good run. I don't think it

1767
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 3: was the best. I think you I don't. It's weird

1768
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 3: because you want to say, like Oregon probably had a

1769
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 3: better run than they did, maybe make the argument that

1770
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 3: it was close, but you did have You do have

1771
01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 3: to factor in the Jimmy Lake year, and I think

1772
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 3: that gives the edge to Oregon and the fact that

1773
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 3: you know they Sark had this you know, seven wins,

1774
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 3: seven wins, eight wins, and then Peterson also had a

1775
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 3: seven win years. So it's probably Oregon as far as

1776
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 3: the best team of the Pac twelve era, but Washington.

1777
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Because there four times and Washington won at three. USC

1778
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 2: only won at once. In the back twelve era, Stanford

1779
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 2: run it twice and Utah won it twice. End the story.

1780
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, best year is is easy. Second best year would

1781
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 3: be the fun debate because I think it could go

1782
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:04,800
Speaker 3: on forever. Worst year feels like the Jimmy Lake year.

1783
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 3: But they were pretty pissed off on Sary raft and

1784
01:52:10,479 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 3: I know they went eight and six the next year

1785
01:52:12,320 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 3: four and five in conference, but they were they spent.

1786
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 3: I remember them spending all of twenty fourteen pretty salty.

1787
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, Bro, they were big man, big mad. Yeah.

1788
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 3: So what about so is best player? Do you have

1789
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 3: to ignore all those defensive studs to say Pennis or

1790
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,599
Speaker 3: a Donza because they went fourteen and won this year?

1791
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 2: I am going to ignore the defensive guys, not because

1792
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 2: they shouldn't be in consideration, but just because it's very

1793
01:52:49,880 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 2: hard to put a defensive guy and quantify his impact

1794
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 2: compared to a quarterback. And Michael Pennock junior, Like, this

1795
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 2: was a program potentially changing time if Kaylin de Boor

1796
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:06,759
Speaker 2: had stayed, but now it's a reset, which is crazy,

1797
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 2: like to think that they were in this position. I mean,

1798
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 2: it's got to feel like this is way worse, one

1799
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 2: hundred times worse than what it was for Oregon fans

1800
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:25,640
Speaker 2: when Taggert and Cristal Ball left, because you felt like

1801
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 2: you were in bro. I'm telling you because people liked

1802
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 2: Crystal Ball, but it was also frustrating to watch him

1803
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:36,759
Speaker 2: because even though on paper their teams would be more talented,

1804
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 2: you wouldn't blow people out and you would lose games.

1805
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 2: They'd be closer than you won and all that stuff,

1806
01:53:42,760 --> 01:53:45,920
Speaker 2: and like if Dan left, this is what it would

1807
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 2: feel like for Oregon fans what it felt like with

1808
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 2: Kayln de boor because for Washington fans, even though you

1809
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 2: weren't one hundred percent sure about his recruiting, you were

1810
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 2: sure about his coaching.

1811
01:53:56,439 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to coach dude, for sure. And will

1812
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 3: remind people that in the early years of this podcast,

1813
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,800
Speaker 3: we hated that man because of what he was doing

1814
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 3: to pack twelve teams while at Fresno. But yeah he was.

1815
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 3: He's a special guy, and I think that that brings

1816
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 3: up the next question. They've got Jetfish yep, proven program

1817
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 3: rebuilder yep. But they got to switch conferences while breaking

1818
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,440
Speaker 3: in a new head coach and trying to retain what

1819
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 3: they can of the roster. Would you put them above

1820
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 3: or below USC in confidence moving into the Big ten?

1821
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 2: I am putting them Ooh, I am putting them above USC.

1822
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 3: They got Will Rogers. Huh they got Will Rogers. Yeah,

1823
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:10,920
Speaker 3: they got him to come back. Bringing demand Williams from

1824
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:15,240
Speaker 3: being committed to Arizona to being committed to Washington could.

1825
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 2: Be yeah, yeah, yeah.

1826
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 3: On the line.

1827
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 2: They found a way to recruit guys who would block

1828
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 2: and run and all of this stuff at Arizona washing

1829
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 2: him with the resources and shouldn't be able to do better.

1830
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:35,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm more encouraged, and like I just don't. And

1831
01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:39,600
Speaker 2: with USC Lincoln Riley's obviously a really good offensive coach,

1832
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 2: He's got to get to running the ball a little

1833
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 2: bit more like he's got to do a little reset

1834
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 2: on offense as well as the defense. So we'll see.

1835
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:53,560
Speaker 3: I feel like Kaylen de Bor is a better coach

1836
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 3: than Jedfish, But I feel like, if you're gonna lose

1837
01:55:56,200 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 3: Kaylen de Bor, maybe one of the best things that

1838
01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 3: could have happened to you is getting Jetfish. And if

1839
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 3: any Arizona fans are still listening to this, I'm sorry,

1840
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,320
Speaker 3: but he was a good coach, and you know he was,

1841
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 3: or you wouldn't be.

1842
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 2: Mad, correct, bingo bingo buddy, Yeah right, you wouldn't give

1843
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:19,080
Speaker 2: a damn.

1844
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 3: That brings us to the weirdest Pac twelve run of

1845
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 3: any team, the most nonsense by far, spent a year

1846
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:35,880
Speaker 3: competing to go to the national championship, also had some

1847
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 3: absolute stinkers. Lost a coach for being the same religion

1848
01:56:41,400 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 3: as his boss, but claiming that the religion told him

1849
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,480
Speaker 3: to do something different than his boss wanted him to

1850
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 3: do and the state wanted.

1851
01:56:49,400 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: Him to do.

1852
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is possibly the most bizarre tenure Washington State.

1853
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah with Nick Rolovich. Yep, yep, yep. I lost

1854
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 2: a friend over this, which is which is crazy.

1855
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,880
Speaker 3: Over over, like somebody who worked at Washington State.

1856
01:57:09,200 --> 01:57:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah and so and so. Now they're sitting there with

1857
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 2: Jake Dickard and they have not had I mean, like

1858
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 2: the Mike Leech years look like the golden years right now,

1859
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 2: I mean, aside from the Mike Price years. Yes, this

1860
01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 2: looks amazing, the nine eight, nine eleven wins. He figured

1861
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: something something out and now with them not heading into

1862
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 2: a conference, I just don't know how. I don't know, man,

1863
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 2: This this just I don't know what the future looks

1864
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 2: like for them.

1865
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 3: I hate I definitely hate it for them. They also

1866
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 3: are going to look back on the PAC twelve era,

1867
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 3: and I think it interestingly because they got screwed. Okay,

1868
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 3: so let's say that you're on Nick Rolovic's side. You

1869
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:12,000
Speaker 3: believe that you got screwed three times. You got screwed

1870
01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 3: out of the opportunity to compete for the college football playoff,

1871
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:22,280
Speaker 3: by the conference, by the conference, you got screwed out

1872
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 3: of your head coach, depending on what you believe there

1873
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 3: in Nick Rolovich, and you got screwed out of being

1874
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:32,320
Speaker 3: in any conference at all based on the breakup of

1875
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve.

1876
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's nasty work. Bro mm hmm. I mean that's

1877
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 2: really that's that's nasty work. And when you look at

1878
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 2: their schedule for twenty twenty four, they start out with

1879
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 2: Portland State, then they got Texas Tech, Washington with the

1880
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 2: Apple Cup, San Jose State at Oregon State, San Diego State,

1881
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 2: Boise State, Fresnos State, New Mexico, Hawaii, Utah State, and Wyoming.

1882
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 2: I just don't know how their fans stay engaged past

1883
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, because you're not used to.

1884
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 2: After the Oregon State game, then San Diego State, Boise State,

1885
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 2: Fresno State, New Mexico. Like, even if they win all

1886
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 2: of those games, is it gonna feel good.

1887
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 3: You're just always gonna be reminded that everybody left without you.

1888
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 2: Yep, and you're still trying trying to find a home.

1889
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. That makes Roto I feel I do be and

1890
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 3: I feel so bad and I it isn't like I

1891
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 3: just I kind of feel like they got screwed. And

1892
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:53,080
Speaker 3: I feel the same way for for Oregon State. But

1893
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:55,600
Speaker 3: I look at the other things that happened to Washington

1894
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 3: State while they were in the conference. Now, it wasn't

1895
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:00,480
Speaker 3: all bad. Refs gave them a fifth down and they

1896
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 3: beat Arizona State with it, So I don't know if

1897
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 3: that's a good trade off. That definitely helped them, but

1898
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 3: it I mean, I don't know, I don't It's one

1899
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,520
Speaker 3: of those things where we talk about, like how do

1900
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:14,760
Speaker 3: you feel about them moving forward? I don't even know

1901
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:16,680
Speaker 3: if they're going to be able to get the talent anymore,

1902
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 3: and like if you to.

1903
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:23,640
Speaker 2: Make these runs like this, Yeah, yeah, I think that

1904
02:00:23,800 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 2: that part of it is going to be very tough.

1905
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 3: How does the Pac two factor into the auto bids?

1906
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 3: Would you consider if Washington State went eleven and one,

1907
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:36,360
Speaker 3: are they then the top group of five team and

1908
02:00:36,440 --> 02:00:38,200
Speaker 3: then they get the College Football Playoff?

1909
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 2: That's a good question. That's a legitimate question. Are they

1910
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:48,720
Speaker 2: the top group of five team? Because that is damn

1911
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:53,920
Speaker 2: I would say the answer to that is yes, yeah.

1912
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:56,400
Speaker 2: Could you can't call them a Power five anymore?

1913
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1914
02:00:58,440 --> 02:00:58,640
Speaker 2: Yep?

1915
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 3: All right, ultimate ultimate debate question because they didn't actually

1916
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:06,040
Speaker 3: have that. I think this is what made Mike Leach's

1917
02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:08,920
Speaker 3: tenures so special. They didn't actually have a ton of

1918
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 3: really good players. They had some stat pop pop in quarterbacks.

1919
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:20,800
Speaker 3: And to me, it comes down to Luke Falk or

1920
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:25,440
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew, and you can't factor in any NFL anything.

1921
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:30,120
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew had the best individual year team success wise.

1922
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, But when I.

1923
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 3: Think of Washington State, I think of Luke.

1924
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:38,560
Speaker 2: Falk because he was Yeah, his numbers were gotti bro,

1925
02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 2: his numbers were gotty and incredible.

1926
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:45,640
Speaker 3: Fourteen four hundred and eighty one yards, one hundred and

1927
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 3: nineteen touchdowns.

1928
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that offense is actually harder to score in

1929
02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:56,360
Speaker 2: the in the red zone than it is during the

1930
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:58,240
Speaker 2: rest of the field.

1931
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Respect, I get respect to Gardner Minshew, but I

1932
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 3: when I when I think of Washington State, it's Luke

1933
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:12,240
Speaker 3: Falk and that's that's it. To me. I think of

1934
02:02:12,280 --> 02:02:14,640
Speaker 3: the Leech era and I think of Luke Falk, and

1935
02:02:14,760 --> 02:02:17,360
Speaker 3: I think of the fact that like every single year

1936
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Speaker 3: when they came to town, you knew he was going

1937
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Speaker 3: to put four fifty on you.

1938
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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, And the only people that could stop them,

1939
02:02:25,840 --> 02:02:29,120
Speaker 2: Well that could stop that air ray was the was

1940
02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:34,000
Speaker 2: was Cal was Cal and Washington were the only defenses

1941
02:02:34,080 --> 02:02:36,520
Speaker 2: that figured out how to how to do it, and

1942
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Speaker 2: it was the.

1943
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Speaker 3: Way Weddingham fits. Yeah, all right, more fun challenge, More

1944
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:46,360
Speaker 3: fun challenge. Best defensive player of the of the Washington

1945
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Speaker 3: State PAC twelve era and is the Hercules?

1946
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, yeah, the d lineman Hercules. I forgot his

1947
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Speaker 2: last name.

1948
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Speaker 3: That that that'll go right there. I remember, I'll say

1949
02:03:01,480 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 3: day on Buchanan, even though I think he probably was

1950
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:09,560
Speaker 3: just first round pick based off measurables. But yeah, man,

1951
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:11,760
Speaker 3: the stuff that Washington State was able to accomplish with

1952
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 3: Mike Leach, with the level of talent they had. You

1953
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:17,680
Speaker 3: gotta and Mike Leach used to drive me nuts blaming

1954
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:20,480
Speaker 3: everything on everybody, but you look back to talent he

1955
02:03:20,520 --> 02:03:22,840
Speaker 3: had him. Maybe he was right, Maybe he was right

1956
02:03:23,240 --> 02:03:24,960
Speaker 3: to be trashing as players all the time.

1957
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Speaker 2: We got too fat and happy end and titled.

1958
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Speaker 3: Then yeah, well that brings us to to the end. Man,

1959
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Speaker 3: favorite PAC twelve memory for you?

1960
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Speaker 2: Ooh, it's got to be PAC twelve after Dark, Okay,

1961
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:53,120
Speaker 2: just because of the instability that it caused and how

1962
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:56,120
Speaker 2: everybody knew it was a real thing and that you

1963
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:59,400
Speaker 2: couldn't trust. You couldn't trust the number one team in

1964
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 2: the nation versus you know, the worst team in the

1965
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 2: conference on a Friday night or a Thursday night or

1966
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:14,240
Speaker 2: a Saturday seven thirty eight o'clock kick. You couldn't trust it.

1967
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you what I'm gonna miss so much

1968
02:04:19,080 --> 02:04:28,560
Speaker 3: about it, Ashley, Yogi, Mike, some of these coaches. Man,

1969
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you my best my favorite pack to a memory.

1970
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Speaker 3: Are you ready?

1971
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1972
02:04:34,760 --> 02:04:40,320
Speaker 3: Twenty nineteen Packed twelve Media Day.

1973
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 2: Why Why is that?

1974
02:04:45,560 --> 02:04:48,440
Speaker 3: Because I told you I was thinking about starting a podcast,

1975
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:50,640
Speaker 3: and you said, I'll be your first guest, And we

1976
02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:53,240
Speaker 3: sat down on a couch and recorded the first episode

1977
02:04:53,320 --> 02:04:55,440
Speaker 3: right there, and it went so well that we were like,

1978
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:56,560
Speaker 3: why don't we just co host?

1979
02:04:56,920 --> 02:05:01,440
Speaker 2: Yep? Oh, yes exactly. Yeah, because a me being your

1980
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:05,320
Speaker 2: first guest turned into us doing a podcast together.

1981
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I told you. I was like, I offered

1982
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:09,560
Speaker 3: it to Yahoo and they don't want it, and You're like,

1983
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 3: do it anyway. And so with a handheld recorder, we

1984
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:17,200
Speaker 3: made our first show maybe twenty yards from Larry Scott

1985
02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 3: from Rick new Heizel to a people that were sitting

1986
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:24,840
Speaker 3: in the media room. And yeah, man, I'm glad. I'm

1987
02:05:24,840 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 3: glad that they happened.

1988
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 2: For sure, Me too, man, me too, and for more

1989
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:34,520
Speaker 2: reasons than just the PAC twelve apostles, our friendship and

1990
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 2: everything else along along the way. But you guys, though,

1991
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:42,600
Speaker 2: you guys can hit us up with your favorite PAC

1992
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:46,400
Speaker 2: twelve memory, Oh Ralph. What we do have to do

1993
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:50,240
Speaker 2: is there were people who tweeted some stuff to us.

1994
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:54,160
Speaker 3: Yep, that is true. I will let me pull that

1995
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,960
Speaker 3: up right now. Promise that I would read it out loud.

1996
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:00,760
Speaker 3: Don't want to break a prompt us on the way out,

1997
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:01,040
Speaker 3: do we?

1998
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:02,200
Speaker 2: No way?

1999
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:05,880
Speaker 3: All right?

2000
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 2: Okay? So I see one from the best PAC twelve moments,

2001
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 2: and this was from Alan Shuebridge. He said he has

2002
02:06:17,480 --> 02:06:20,760
Speaker 2: too the twenty fifteen Rose Bowl, great game, Gape, great

2003
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:25,320
Speaker 2: weather to see Mariota in person. Also, the ninety four

2004
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:29,120
Speaker 2: to ninety five men's basketball season was his first year

2005
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:31,720
Speaker 2: at Uo went to every game at Matt Court, saw

2006
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:35,480
Speaker 2: him beating number two years UCLA. Played pickup games with

2007
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:38,040
Speaker 2: some of the team that year. Fun times. He said,

2008
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:41,440
Speaker 2: I lived a block away from Matt Court, loved that place.

2009
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 2: Scoreboard would shake and the noise was unbelievable. Years later,

2010
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 2: I saw Luke Jackson score thirty one of Uo's last

2011
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:51,200
Speaker 2: thirty three points. I was watching that game, including twenty

2012
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:53,200
Speaker 2: eight in a row against Colorado and A and it

2013
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:58,720
Speaker 2: most dominant in person performance that I've seen. And dude,

2014
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,400
Speaker 2: that was a time like Matt Court is one of

2015
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:05,640
Speaker 2: the most unbelievable places in the in the to watch

2016
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:06,560
Speaker 2: basketball period.

2017
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely better than the busy basketball court y'all have.

2018
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:16,800
Speaker 2: Now, Man, that thing now is it's it's it's something.

2019
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:21,960
Speaker 3: My team lost to your team there last night, and

2020
02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:24,200
Speaker 3: I felt like it was a loss before tipoff because

2021
02:07:24,200 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 3: I had to stare at the floor. Uh well, I'm

2022
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:30,880
Speaker 3: gonna read Jacob Saligas to you. I think there's a

2023
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,720
Speaker 3: the troll comment. But my favorite moments include Diere not

2024
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,680
Speaker 3: being down, I Uke's eighty one yard bomb to ice

2025
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:40,720
Speaker 3: the Oregon upset, the Khalil Tate game versus Colorado, Mariota

2026
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 3: versus Barkley in twenty twelve, and many more.

2027
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:51,040
Speaker 2: Wow, that's nasty work. That's praying. How somebody's downfall right there? Bro,

2028
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:53,040
Speaker 2: we actually got this far.

2029
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:55,560
Speaker 3: In the final episode of Pack twelve Apostles Withoutklill Tate's

2030
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:59,440
Speaker 3: name being said, I love that, dude.

2031
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:04,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that was the original bit Khalil Tate Amson.

2032
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's awesome. Ariana Greeney My favorite PAC twelve memories

2033
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,720
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve Championship ASU hosted. I believe that was

2034
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 3: against Andrew Luck. Even though we lost, the stadium was

2035
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:17,080
Speaker 3: electric and it was a great way to end my

2036
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 3: first season covering college football. And then Solar Junkie my

2037
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:27,520
Speaker 3: first ASU game in Eric Guildford's muff punt that he

2038
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:29,160
Speaker 3: picked up and took to the house against U of

2039
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:32,240
Speaker 3: A in nineteen ninety one. They broke the streak. My

2040
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:34,400
Speaker 3: mom was an X ray tech at Desert Sam and

2041
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 3: scored those tickets from an er doc.

2042
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2043
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 3: I love how many details people remember from like their

2044
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:42,560
Speaker 3: first Yeah, like games they go to and some yeah

2045
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:46,120
Speaker 3: from their first time. And then Brad Denny says he's

2046
02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:48,440
Speaker 3: still not over your anti chocolate and peanut butter take,

2047
02:08:50,120 --> 02:08:53,040
Speaker 3: which did come out through the course of making these podcasts.

2048
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:57,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we should. I should definitely re revisit

2049
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:01,440
Speaker 2: that on the way back. So I have visited the

2050
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:05,400
Speaker 2: chocolate and peanut butter take, Ralph, I have revisited it,

2051
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 2: and after careful reconsideration and recalibration and you know, just

2052
02:09:15,240 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 2: really just taking stock and everything. I will say that

2053
02:09:20,240 --> 02:09:22,600
Speaker 2: chocolate and peanut butter is still ass.

2054
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,920
Speaker 3: I saw that coming. I can't believe I didn cut

2055
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:30,480
Speaker 3: you off. Oh my god. All right, we might as

2056
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:32,440
Speaker 3: well in there with the worst take of all time.

2057
02:09:34,360 --> 02:09:37,000
Speaker 2: Yep, good night friends.

2058
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:42,680
Speaker 3: We'll see you in a couple of weeks as a

2059
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:44,600
Speaker 3: completely different thing.

2060
02:09:45,400 --> 02:09:51,320
Speaker 2: I suppose, yes, yes, love it and uh, you guys,

2061
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:55,800
Speaker 2: appreciate your time, appreciate your energy. Peace out, Catch you guys.

2062
02:09:56,160 --> 02:09:57,960
Speaker 2: As college football apostles

2063
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Speaker 1: Y