WEBVTT - Branded w/ Bess Rous 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.080 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:06.880 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.720 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.320 These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:31.160 Done, Hello everybody, and welcome to That's Messed Up, an 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:32.120 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.600 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger. We talk SVU 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.720 true crime. We have celeb guests up top. We catch up, 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:45.760 we chit shot right now. We're also a scandabal drag race. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.000 There's a lot going on. We also just hung out 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:49.960 in New York together. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:50.760 We just did. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.040 I took Rosie on a little spring break trip to 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.400 New York. We saw Lisa for a little pre Lion 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.360 King lunch. Embarrassingly, she ran up to Lisa, gave her 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:00.840 a huge hug, and then said, do you have a 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:04.000 present for me? Because she knows Lisa gives her presence 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.200 and so now that's the association. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.080 Yeah, that is so I'm like, no, that's rude. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.760 And then I'm like, but to be fair, Lisa is 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:13.520 a big gift. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:14.039 Giver, so. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.280 I know, but I don't know what I want to 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.319 It's gonna be a belated birthday present. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.360 But I'm not. I haven't found. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.880 Thee as belated as you want, because she's still like 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.559 we had to take a separate bag back from New York, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:29.759 like that I did not bring there of like all 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.360 the crap my mom gave her, my sister, my brothers, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.600 like everybody gave her stuff. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.720 Yeah, because I was I found something on the line 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.399 that I really like, but I'm not. 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:40.280 I got to think on its own. 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.319 Okay, okay, hold on, you guys got upgraded. You weren't 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:47.080 laid down my lapbeds. How did Rosie like first class? 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.960 Well, of course it's like over her head, Like I 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.640 kept being like, Rosie, we're going to get to sit 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.400 in this special section of the plane where we get 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.040 to lie down. She loved the lounge. She loved the 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.000 lounge like she got to pick what she wanted to eat. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.240 And then I got her lemonade. And then she saw 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.600 this ice cream scoop station because it was Easter, they 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.880 were giving out little ice cream scoops and cups with 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.440 like toppings, and she was like a like and she 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.839 could pick like she first she had a cookie because 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.480 I didn't see the ice cream scoop station, and then 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.720 she saw that and was like she just loved that, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.919 and she was having a ball at the lounge then 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.640 on the thing to her, like a coach seat is 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.360 like a lie out seat practically, I mean like she 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.240 doesn't care and she doesn't want to sleep, like I 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:25.799 tried to get her to sleep so badly. 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.320 I lied our seats all the way down. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.520 I've never flown Delta one, so it was like a 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.399 real treat for me, and I gotta say, wow, that's 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:33.000 really nice. 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.840 What did you eat ravioli or no, cause it's usually 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:36.320 a mushirt. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:37.880 They didn't give you a vegetarian option. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.360 They didn't give me a vegetarian option, And so I 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.560 picked this chicken thing and the woman goes, it's really 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.160 easy to pick the chicken off, And when it got there, 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.360 it was frozen solid, and I was like, forget it. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.280 I'm just not gonna eat. I just ate like the 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.720 little snacks they brought by. And I had some sparkling wine, 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.440 and I don't usually drink on planes, but for some reason, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.480 when you're in Delta one, it feels right. So I 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.280 had a great time, like just being able to like 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:01.000 lie down and like have my back and but not hurt, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.320 like was so nice, and I totally get why people 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.280 do it. I mean, I don't see myself doing it 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.840 again unless it's the upgrade situation. But basically what happened 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.480 to everybody is they canceled my flight, and then when I 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.240 called and I said, I'm traveling with my daughter, I 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.760 really need to go earlier, they were like, okay, we 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.760 actually were able to get you on Delta one for 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.120 the five thirty flights. So but then it's like she's 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.200 so tired when she gets there. She was crying in 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.520 the uber, going I need a blanket. I'm like, I 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:26.400 don't have a blanket. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.960 She's like, yes, you do. She's like accusing me. 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:32.040 So it was a pain in the ass, but they 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.120 did make up for it with the Delta one. I 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:35.960 want to check my Delta app and see if I 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.360 get Do I get extra miles for Delta one since 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:39.600 I didn't spend it. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.280 I don't think so. But always were always worth all. Look, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.760 since you canceled your flight, you could fangle it. 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.520 I had a moment. So there's memes. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.120 About this where it's like you want to be the 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.840 most efficient person at TSA and it's like for what 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.760 And I didn't have a TSA moment. But as I 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.040 pulled up to the gate agent, not the gate agent, 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:04.200 but like the baggage dry Yeah, the woman went, wow, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.920 you're so prepared. We love a prepared queen. And I 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.440 was like, this is all I live for, like I 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.160 was and and I have air pods now, you know, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.720 I just bought air pods, and so I was like, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.880 I had my friend in my ear, I had my phone, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:25.400 my ID, everything was ready, and she just complimented me. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.560 And I was like, I'm living in the future, man, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.440 Like I do love my AirPods. 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.920 I don't know why I held out for so fucking long. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.839 They're so great, Like I can just like do chores 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.960 around the house while I'm listening to something too, and 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.560 no one else has to hear, Like I really love AirPods. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.760 Well, so our friend did send us a DEMI. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.240 So if anyone is on desmis, maybe you saw this 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.719 and this is the des moin it says end quote. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.000 My fiance worked on a season of SVU and for 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.880 the holidays that year, Marishka gave everyone five hundred dollars 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:00.240 gift cards in addition to the company holiday gifts. Least 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:06.960 favorite rap gift He's received are personalized crocs show Celebritt acted. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.520 That's fine, but five hundred dollars. I mean, if you're 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:11.480 that rich, why not. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.200 Yeah, that's gonna really help people at Christmas. And that 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.599 doesn't mean anything to her. I mean she's well so 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:23.320 famously not famously. Since we've recorded this episode last my 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.039 brother comes to visit me in La We go to 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:26.880 six Flags. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:27.560 I lose my phone. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.000 I'm sure I told you guys that it fell out 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.440 of my pocket on a roller coaster. Then my brother 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:36.599 goes to fly home on that Saturday, and uh, Marishkagte 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.839 is in Delta one with him. My brother paid for 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.680 Delta one and he is in there and he goes, 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.080 I think I see Marisha Gargat's husband on this flight 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.719 with me. And then he goes, it is him and 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.799 she's with him, and I'm like, how is this possible? 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.279 Everyone sees her except for us. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.320 Well, and then we were eating lunch in New York 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.640 and our friend went to take a work call, comes 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.960 back out faith full of Joy. Marishka was on the 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.200 streets of New York filming svo so she then Summerish 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.240 go on the street. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.279 And then we saw we saw her post to her 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.799 Instagram that she was in Times Square like a block 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.520 from where we were eating. Yea, so we could have 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.360 like gone out and tried to Like I don't know, 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.080 I don't think we would have done anything, but we 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.320 could have gone out there, and we. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.200 Did see her close. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.240 He's ceremony and that's still in me. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:23.960 You know, I'm still having that. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.600 That magic is still there. But that is, Uh, that 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.080 was so funny. Just like two of our people close 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.480 to us had run ins with her within like five days, 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.160 and then we were right near her. But anyway, maybe 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.400 that's uh the universe telling us we're getting closer. I 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.080 wanted to ask you. I wanted to bring this up 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.000 because I'm obsessed right now. My siblings and I love 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.000 true crime. We always like to watch like the same 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.520 stuff as each other. So when we were in Connectic, 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:52.960 when I was in Connecticut after a couple days in 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.440 New York, I took my daughter out to Connecticut to 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.480 stay with my brother and like, uh, we watched this 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.920 peacock documentary call Who Killed Robert Wan? And it's one 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:08.000 is spelled wne. It's a wild fucking case and I 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.520 really kind of want you to watch it. It's only 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.120 two episodes, two one hour episodes, and it's on Peacock 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.880 and it's this crazy case. I hope if somebody is 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.640 listening that has watched this or knows about this case, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.040 like it basically to summarize it. 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.960 Like in Washington, d C. 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.880 In DuPont, which is where we recently performed, which is 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.640 a nice ass area of DC. In this beautiful row house, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.200 these two guys live that are married to each other, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.880 and then they have a third guy who lives there 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.520 who's like the third in their relationship. 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:36.680 They call themselves a family. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.440 One of the guys in the married couple is good 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.640 friends with this guy, Robert Wan, who he's known for 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.640 twelve years, even longer, like years and years since the 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.200 guy was eighteen fourteen years he's known him. And the 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.080 guy Robert is like, can I come over and stay 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.960 at your guy's house so that I don't have to 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:53.560 like commute out to the burbs and I come back 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.760 to work tomorrow. They're like, no problems, stay in our 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.520 guest room. He gets there. Within seventy nine minutes, there's 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.080 a nine on one call that he's been stabbed. All 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:04.600 three of the men that live in the house. When 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.200 the cops get there, are freshly showered in white robes. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.760 The man has three almost surgical stab wounds in his 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:16.080 torso and there's barely any blood. There's like barely any blood. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:22.160 And the whole situation is so fucking crazy. They invented 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:24.520 that there's an intruder. They said an intruder came in. 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.480 We heard a grunt, we heard the door open, but 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.480 they never saw an intruder. The knife was sitting on 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:30.960 the counter. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.000 He just seems so young. This is sad fu. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.760 Yeah, he was thirty two. He was this nice guy. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.840 He just wanted to become a lawyer soho could help people, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:42.360 Like I think he did nonprofit law or something like that. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.439 He had a wife everybody. So now I'm deep in Reddit. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:50.040 My siblings and I have been literally batting around like 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.840 theories for the last seventy two hours, and I'm on Reddit. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.880 People are like some people are saying it was like 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.160 sex plagu gone wild. There's like zero proof that this 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:01.920 guy was into any of that. He's been friends with 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.679 these guys for years and years and one of the guys, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.800 the third in the relationship, had like a closet full 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:14.160 of like sex toys, dom masks, like crazy electromagnetic So 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.360 here's one of the crazy parts of it. They find 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.240 semen on the victim's penis and in his rectum when 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:23.760 they tested it's his own semen, So everyone's like, how 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.920 did it get up there? And then they find all 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.440 these what they call joy toys in the documentary, they 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.760 find all these toys and now it's like, oh, did 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.160 they electromagnetic shock him, like what we've talked about on 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:40.840 us on our podcast, like and to get him to come. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.160 Like it's a crazy story, but I don't want to 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.000 give more away because there's so many little details. But 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.520 there's also huge cop fuck ups that happen in it 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.320 as well. It's it's a ride. If you have two hours, 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.360 I would just suggest it. But it is sad. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.600 It's sad, and nobody fucking knows. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.840 Like it's really like unsolved, but it's not really unsolved 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.280 in my opinion. In my opinion, they're responsible, whether they 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.920 did it on purpose or by accident. I think they're 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:10.280 responsible for him dying. But it's wild. That was your 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.680 the clink, that was the family fun. Yeah, that's what 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.800 we were doing. And does Collins husband like this stuff too? 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.000 Or yes, yes, and then we watched we were really 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.640 deep and I was like, Lisa said, the woman in 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.560 the photograph is really fucked up, and they were like 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.880 maybe too dark, and so we kept watch, we kept scrolling. 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.199 We were really getting into the and we ended up 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.200 watching the story of did you ever hear of this 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.840 guy named Kai who saved a woman from being hit 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.760 by this guy who was fucked up and was like 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.199 trying to strangle this woman and he was a hitch 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.040 hiker and he hit him three times and he goes smash, smash, smash, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.920 and then he became a viral sensation. He was on 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.559 Jimmy Kimmel and he was called the hatchet wielding hitchhiker. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:56.200 But then he murdered someone. We watched that one. We 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.960 watched that one together. It's wild that one is like 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.680 a one hour, one and a half hour one off thing. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.440 But it was just crazy, like because it happened in 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.400 like I think twentyd and like twelve or thirteen, and 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.480 I feel like that was like the peak time for 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.080 like tan mom or like you getting super famous off 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.559 of being viral. Now, I feel like something goes viral 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.160 and like you don't really know who that person is 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.559 in like five days. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:21.000 You know what I mean. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.560 But this was like this guy was getting offers for 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.360 reality shows, like a producer from the Kardashians was like 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.040 letting him stay at her house, like he was getting 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.240 all this shit like and he was this hippie dude 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.840 with like you know who played guitar who said he 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.839 was homeless by choice. And then you find out all 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:45.040 this fucking stuff and uh, it's wild, but that's Those 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.160 are the two little true crime jockeys that I watched 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:48.120 with that with my fam. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.559 No, I got deep into love. I didn't watch the 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.760 last season of Love is Blind. I think it jumped 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.000 the show. I wasn't interested in that cast, but this 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.960 one did pique my interests. And then I had a 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.080 phone call with a friend yesterday and then I went, okay, 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.800 and now I'm nine episodes in and I know I. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.200 Love You're like I started last night. I'm nine episodes in. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.240 I watched it all that it's it's it's like a 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:12.760 good cat. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.560 I mean, the casting did a great job. Like what 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:15.120 can I say? 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.839 They did a great job and it but I did okay, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.360 so Karen knows I follow this account called a little nudge. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.199 Well yeah, so I messaged her. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.120 I'm like, thoughts on love is blind, and she's like 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.120 really blind if you follow her, Like when people ask 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.000 for advice, she's very much like you did wrong, Like no, 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.200 this is bad, Like she she doesn't beat around the bush, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.080 so she's I was like, maybe alive. She goes, people 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:41.760 aren't really interested, like what do you want from me? 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:43.440 And so I was like, well, can you fall in 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:45.480 love this fast? Like what are your beliefs on this? 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.400 Like is this psychotic? Is this real? Like can you 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.920 do this? And she goes, in short, I think it's insane. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.600 She goes, it's made for good TV. But she believes 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.080 in the classic, like you need to know someone through 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:03.440 all four seasons before committing to a life. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.560 I'll tell you something. I haven't dated in thirteen years. Really, 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.440 I've been like out of the whole. I never really 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.240 even got to hit the app games. I did match 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.080 and stuff or not match like e harmony. But like, 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.360 this woman's account is so interesting. I just love the 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.960 way people come to her and they're so sure that 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.040 they didn't do anything wrong and that the other person 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.000 is like ghosting them or playing a game with them, 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:26.800 and it's like, but you didn't make it clear to 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.160 them what you wanted, you know, Like she's very but 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.679 then blunt. Yeah, and then she also says, yeah, you 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:33.880 can reach out to her if you want to make 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:35.480 sure she's okay, but you're not gonna hear back from 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.559 her like she ghosted you. Like she's blunt, and I 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:39.920 really like that because I think that's what. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.160 People need to hear. Well or it's people. Ah she 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.360 said this, She's like, just ask this person. 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.280 Yeah yeah, yeah, Like you want to be in a 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:51.160 relationship with a person and yet you refuse to communicate 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.080 with them for what you want, Like what kind of 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.280 life are you trying to? Yeah, it just makes no 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.680 sense where it's like, well he said it's exclusive, and 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.320 I googled what it means and I that's not a 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.200 ment girl friend and boyfriend, but it doesn't. 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.400 So what ask this person that. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.880 You're you're like letting put his penis inside of you? 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.480 Like it's so much of like, uh, well did you 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:16.520 ask him? Like I know, simple, So it's fine. So 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.240 I just wanted to know how she felt because one 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.280 couple does seem like really into each other and it's real. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:24.600 So I was like do you believe in it? 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:26.840 And season one had this like, you know, great story 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.400 and they're still together, but she's like, no, it's insane, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:30.800 and she's like, it's great TV. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:31.240 But it is. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.680 Aren't two of them still together? Aren't Barnett and the 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.560 Crazy Girls still together from the first season? 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:36.240 They are? 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:40.720 But I don't believe. I don't believe in healthy, good relationship. Yeah, sure, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.920 people could be together for thirty forty years, it doesn't 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:50.480 mean that's admirable, Like, yeah, life isn't great. It's also 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:53.720 like you could be miserable for fifty years. So I 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.160 just think like Lauren and Cameron, Cameron were the ones 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.400 that like actually seemed like healthy. I think that man 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.000 had to sell his house to pay that lunatic's debt off. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.720 You know what I mean, Like. 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.400 He couldn't like look at another girl, so they could 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.360 be together. But I don't know if that's the success story. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:14.600 I'm sure, but I. 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.280 Just mean like they like they also could have broken up. 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.120 I don't really feel like the spotlights on them anymore. 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.560 And they're still together, so but I don't know. Like, 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.760 but I didn't watch the last season either, but then 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.760 people just oh, I. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:30.000 Read every BuzzFeed. I read every article I could find. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.520 I just wasn't interested because it looked like people that 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.800 just wanted to be on TV. And now there's spinoffs 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.040 and there's more reality because now they have like Temptation Island, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:44.640 not Temptation Island, Bachelor in Paradise. Netflix has a version 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.480 of it now, oh right, where people from the Netflix 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.040 shows I think Perfect Match or something go on it. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.360 So now it is people that just want to be 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:54.960 reality TV show stars. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.240 And last season just that's the vibe I got. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.080 I didn't watch it, so who knows, but this one 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.680 it's probably people that just want to be famous as well. 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:08.680 But it does something in It did draw me in 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.480 in a very intense way. But there is also an 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:16.920 evil woman on it that there's two very evil Casey's laughing. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.240 Are you watching it? Yeah, he's been nodding at you 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:19.960 the whole time. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.960 Irena is evil and she's a you know, she's called 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.600 turally one of mine, so I am obviously taking it personal. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:32.040 I claim her, so I take it personal. They're also young, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.200 they're like a decade younger than me, so it's like 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.560 wild to watch as well. But there's meme girls and 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.680 there's lies, and there's men making the wrong decisions and 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:46.000 like there's just silliness. But then there's like really sweet couples. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.120 But then there's like there's just wild behaviors or it's 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.080 like someone being like I don't allow dishes in the sink, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.680 and it's like get get get a life, get a life. 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.480 It's so crazy when like a life. What was the 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.040 first one? Like there was that couple they were really 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.840 boring and like you could just tell she got the 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.639 ick and was just like, nah, like this isn't gonna 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:14.280 work for me, Like the boring one, like not the blonde, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.199 crazy one who fed wine to her dog, but the 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.080 other couple, like and it's just like yeah, you can't 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.800 even explain that. It's like I don't know, I just 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:23.280 kind of got oh here. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.240 So so this guy there was like a great girl 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.280 and an evil girl, and the great girl is telling 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:32.439 him like the fact that you even like this evil 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.480 girl is like worrisome to me that you don't see 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.320 that she's evil, Like right, she's pulling evil shit. And 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.840 he goes what and picks the evil girl. She treats 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.639 him like shit in the best way. She she meets 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:49.240 him won't let him touch her, won't let him hold 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.639 her hand, pillows in between them in bed. She sees 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.919 him and goes, you look like a cartoon character? Can 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:56.800 you just blink? 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:57.399 Like you? 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.359 Just like she hates him but wants to be on TV, 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.760 so she won't just like say it. But he's just 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.640 so desperate, so like, I don't know, Wow. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:09.320 It's wild. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.680 But like at one point, this evil girl, like the 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.400 nice girl's making this guy cupcakes for his birthday and 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.359 she forgot his birthday and goes, hey, can you just 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.480 give me one of the cupcake or give me a candle? 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.320 Like it's just or one girl is crying because she's 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.760 just going through her own shit where she obviously is 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.200 like attracted to toxic men, but this really nice guy 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.040 likes her and she's just struggling, and so she's crying 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:38.120 and the evil girl's laughing, like laughing at her. Jesus, well, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.200 she's trying to be a reality villain. It's like, oh, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.760 I don't think she's trying, babe. I think she's I think. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:44.280 That's just her. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.320 No, she tell she tells the guy. There's a clip 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.520 of her going, I'm not a nice person. I wish 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.360 I was, but I'm not like verbatim, and he goes, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.000 you are nice, I know it, And then the girl 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.720 Bliss is like, I'm telling you she's evil. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.040 Yeah, really funny. Fuck that's crazy. 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.920 Wait, Casey, say something, for the love of God, tell 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:05.960 the viewers. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.800 Well, I Arena is great. And I loved when she 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.520 went to her best friend and asked her if her 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.400 best friend's fiance is like, would want to fuck Arena? 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.040 That was wild? Yeah, And her best friend's like what, 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.399 And she's like does he talk about me? Or like 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:23.639 does he have any interest in me? 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:25.879 She's crazy. I forgot about that. 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.360 Yeah, she's trying to fuck her best friends fiance. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:31.320 I gotta get into this. I gotta get into But 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.480 you know, I'm behind on Girls Trip. I gotta watch 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:34.680 all this shit. There's too much. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:35.879 Girls Trip's boring. 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.080 I just missed a week of TV being with my 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.879 child and trying to go out at night and have 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.480 and have dinners and hang out. But I was glad 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:43.879 we got to hang out in New York. We had 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.679 a big dinner with a bunch of fun people and 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.040 that was fun. 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I think we're an sv podcast on TikTok. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.960 So go find us and help us grow our tiki 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.240 talkie and then don't go anywhere because we've got a 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:57.439 great episode coming up for you. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:07.320 We are doing the episode Branded, Season twelve, episode six, 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.360 and yeah, the word branded SVU. 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.480 You know, our brands go to dark places. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:20.600 We don't know what's gonna happen here. Also, you know 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:24.440 who loves to get branded Christians where tattoo is not enough. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.480 They loved a brand across on them. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:31.280 And of course famously Nextian, you know, Vagina brandings. We've 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.360 talked about branding on this podcast before. 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:34.600 I forgot. 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.600 I've forgot about the sex called the volleyball sex cult, 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:39.560 the Chinle. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:43.239 Volleyball sex cult, the Chillen youth Van you thought it 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.480 was a get gateway to enlightenment and changing your life, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.520 but it was a volleyball sex cult the whole time. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:50.199 These poor girls. 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:53.000 So we open up on a hot mom and she's 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:57.239 in a Periwinkle matching tank cardigan set. And Periwinkle had 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:00.760 a real hold on my generation prom dress, I would say, 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:02.000 and Kara as well. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.119 Yeah, Harry Winkle. 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.720 Yeah, I don't think it's as strong of a color 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:08.560 for the gen Z youth. 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.760 No, I don't see it as much anyways. 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:15.720 So this hot mom, she's walking out of this elevator angrily, 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.439 and she's reminding her children it's family night, and it's like, lady, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.520 it doesn't seem like any of you want to do it. 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:23.960 And the tween daughter she doesn't want to watch that 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.720 dumb show where celebrities do the tango. And I feel 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:32.600 like NBC is shading ABC here. Yes, and hot mom 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:36.120 says dad wants to play a board game and Nintendo's 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.320 son is like, ugh, not again, and the kids are like, 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.200 we have homework and run off. Not a good sign 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.280 for the unity of a family if your kids would 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:48.440 rather do schoolwork than hang out with you. Yeah, she's 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.720 using reusable shopping bags, which I'm into, and I did 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.560 not really, I wouldn't have anticipated that from a hot mom. 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.199 So she puts the keys down and then, oh my god, 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.240 she notices something's off in the house. Her husband is pantsless, 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.040 he's tied up on the floor. He asks for her 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:08.560 to call the authorities. Family game night is canceled. Done done, 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:13.200 So I'm very canceled. That's the game, that's the fun game. 0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:17.479 He goes, Let's solve the crime. Yeah, murder mystery. And 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:22.280 it's a murder mystery. Daddy's pantsless, who did this? Foreign 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:27.399 objects in his anus? Tell it like, start gathering clues, kids, Yeah, 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:33.280 grab the lube, boys, ice teas on the scene with 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:37.359 Benson and Stabler and a bunch of uniformed officers. Bill 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.840 Dixon is his name. Uh, he's tied up, stripped. He 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.080 runs a leather goods company. He remembers nothing except for 0:23:45.119 --> 0:23:47.840 setting up a game for family night. And there's no 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.639 sign of forced entry. The doorman saw nobody come or go. 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:54.800 That was not a regular. The cameras are only in 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.600 the elevator. Nine people went up between six and eight pm. 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:00.760 Nobody got off on the twelfth floor. Ben's like, okay, 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.640 so Spider Man and they love fucking referring to Spider Man. 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.280 You know what's the other episode, Sperm in the Mouth? 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:12.359 We do manipulated, manipulated always Spider Man. Finn is like, 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.960 I'd say more like Casper the Unfriendly Ghost. 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:16.640 And he's. 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.600 And he's in a stretcher with his wife standing behind him, 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:23.199 saying what went down. One moment he was setting up 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.520 game night, waiting for his family to come home. Next 0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:28.200 he's tied up on the floor. She does the classic 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.200 why are you here getting information? And now it out 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:36.120 there searching for the madmen. So Benson for the advertising man. 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:39.000 Out there like people that don't know how police work works, 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.120 They're like, just start wandering the streets find this person. 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.040 Like it's like what it's like, we need to get 0:24:46.119 --> 0:24:50.159 some information, a dust, a fingerprint, like yeah, ladies. So 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.480 Benson's like, Finn, can you take her out of here please? 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.880 So Benson's like, okay, tell us the real story. He's offended. 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.120 He's like, you think I'm hiding something there, like you're 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.520 you're holding you're covering your chest, sir. And now I 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:05.440 notice he's holding his button down shirt closed. And then 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.840 I notice fully it's covered in blood and he's holding 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.840 it with his closed fists. So it's like the fact 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.399 that I didn't notice he's holding his shirt closed, I 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.239 feel like such a naive viewer. And the Stabler's like, 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.000 you don't mind if we take a peek. Finally he 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.879 opens his bloody ass shirt and he's branded and the 0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:29.600 wound spells out ruiner in all caps. He passes out 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.440 from the blood. The pulse is low. We got to 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:33.840 get him to the hospital. Chat time is done well. 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.680 So it's actually like it's actually kind of I don't 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.960 Maybe I'm wrong, but to me, branding is like you 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.040 do it with heat. This is like this is it's 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:43.000 cut into him. 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:44.399 Yeah. 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:49.360 We find out later it's a wire hangar and it's 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.560 heated with a blowtorch Ah. 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:54.080 Okay, so it is Yes, you're right, so that is 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.760 a brand. It looks like it's like fully cut with 0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:59.880 a knife. Geez, that's awful. 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.120 Yeah, and I'm sure I mentioned this on the podcast before, 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:07.120 but it reminds me of the Marilyn Manson book where 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:11.080 girls there's like a famous photo or like these girls 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:15.640 cut Marilyn Manson into their upper chest and it's like bloody. 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:19.560 And it says Marilyn Manson on their like titties es. Yeah. 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:24.680 So anyways, so we're at the hospital now after the credits, 0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.040 and the doctor's explaining that he slept pretty good last 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:33.240 night even with all of his injuries and only second 0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:36.600 degree burns, which the doctor actually calls lucky. The guy 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.879 was knocked out cold with ketamine, which you know people 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:42.520 love doing right now, people love. 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.359 To party with ketamine, but not this guy. 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:45.640 No. 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:50.159 I wonder if it's a dosage issue because yeah, so 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.840 there was a puncture wound at the base of his neck. 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.720 He was drugged from behind and violated in his behind 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:03.200 some weird items three dice and a little timer this way. 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.879 This reminded me though, because she goes, you'll never you 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.879 wouldn't believe the stuff people say they slipped and fell on. 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.199 And my mother in law was an eer nurse and 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.640 she told me that in one of our first conversations ever. 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.080 She was like, you don't even believe the stuff people 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:19.119 say that they just slipped and fell on. She's like, 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.439 I've found a light bulb up there, like she's found like, 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.639 but people will always say I just slipped and fell 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:30.400 naked and something went up my buttthole, which is. 0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:36.800 Like pretty closed. You really have to open it up, yeah. 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.400 Something you're using lube to get those kind of things. 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.960 She was like, you batteries, Like you wouldn't believe the 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.840 stuff we find up in people's antal cavities. 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.160 I just wonder do people think they're the only ones 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.600 shoving shit up there? They're just some I mean, of 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.240 course they're embarrassed. I'm like, do you think people are embarrassed? 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.119 And it's like yeah, they're embarrassed they put the battery 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:54.400 up there, But I don't. 0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.040 Know, Yeah, they're embarrassed, and I guess like when you 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.280 reach like a certain level of embarrassment, you just like 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.320 shut off the ability to have like a lot. I mean, 0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.840 there's no logic that could like say how that really 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:05.440 got up there? 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.680 So you're just like I fell. 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.600 Because you could just say it was a dare. You 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:12.680 could be like I was dared. I lost the bet, 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.920 Like it doesn't have to be sexual. Yeah, people truly 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.400 like their shame of being gay like ruins their life, 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:19.480 like like their brain. 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.080 Fully, Like you could just be like I lost the bet. 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.760 I was playing poker and all my guy friends decided 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:28.160 that they were gonna they were gonna hold me down 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:29.560 and put the battery in my butt. 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.800 I think maybe people didn't think about that because. 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.520 They're just so scared of being gay that they forget 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.040 that they could lie about something else, you know what 0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:43.719 I mean, just lie more logically, Yeah. 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:44.400 Oh god, it fell. 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.960 You could just be like, you know what, I just 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.520 thought it would be a fun goof for my wife 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:52.120 to find a battery in my butt. 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.800 Like I don't know, it's just like so funny. 0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.880 I guess not everyone's as gift as an improviser as you, Lisa. 0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.000 And I'm not even that good a liar, like I 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:03.400 do kind of freeze it look but like but I don't. 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:05.360 I don't know what I would do if I put 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.120 stuff in my butt. That's just not really a thing. 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.240 And then you had to go to the hospital and 0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:09.960 explain it. 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.160 I just remember once in high school we had to 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.440 take this guy to the hospital, but he just broke 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:17.720 he just hurt his dick, fucking our friend. 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.880 Yeah, I've told the story about how my friend, my 0:29:20.960 --> 0:29:21.960 friend broke his dick. 0:29:22.320 --> 0:29:25.680 So the victims in the hospital outfit and he's like, listen, 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.760 I didn't say anything because I'm embarrassed, which is fair 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.680 and understandable, and he says it doesn't make sense. But 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.520 Sailor's like, come on, you have no clue why someone 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.760 would brand you ruin her, and you gotta admit it's 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:39.400 a strange word. And he's like, what do you want 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:44.160 me to say? You think I'm lying? And Stabler's like, yeah, no, listen, 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.760 no evidence that anybody forced their way inside the apartment, 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.040 so that means you let them in, or someone had 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.560 a key, like, are you having an affair? Bill? And 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.880 the blonde is out with Benson being like, we have 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:54.840 a great relationship. 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.760 He wouldn't he wouldn't cheat on me. The sex is fantastic. 0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.480 Benson asked if anyone would want to hurt him or 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:02.280 like arrival. 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:03.640 She can't think of anybody. 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.840 So now we're back to Stabler and Bill Dixon, and 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:10.160 Bill is pissed and he feels like he's being interrogated, 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.320 like he's the purp, and he's like, listen, there is 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.320 some homosexual nutcase on the loose. And Stabler's like, what 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.840 makes you think he's a homosexual? And Bill's like, he 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.280 shoved game pieces up my ass and quickly Stabler's like, 0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:26.280 well he drugs you. And Bill goes yeah, and they're 0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.600 like well and he branded your chest and he's like, yeah, 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.520 I'm not the criminal heels and Stabler's like, yes, I 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:35.320 understand that, but it's a very specific, twisted thing, like 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.880 you gotta help me out, dude, and he's like, did 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.960 you piss someone off? And he thinks, thinks and goes, 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:45.280 you know what. Jonas Rothenberg, the president of the Crooked 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:49.400 Green Pond Foundation, he tried to stop Bill from making 0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.800 snake skin boots and the wife, you know, they do 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.280 the flip and flop where they go from each conversation 0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.840 to you know, finish each other's sentences. And so the 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:03.280 wife continues to Marie and she calls him an envinoh nazi, 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:07.040 enviro nazi, whatever an environmentalist in a Nazi does get 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:12.000 combined into a lovely little word, and you know, pay 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.880 for destroying the environment and ruined everything. 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:15.160 That he touched. 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.560 She basically says that this guy said that bill you 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:24.000 know it like, is destroying the environment and ruins everything 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:27.120 that he touches. And one time he attached a threatening 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.800 letter to the door after sneaking into their building. So 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.600 obviously let's go investigate this red herring. So they go 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.040 to the the Bronx and the guy is knee deep 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.400 in a pond with those like, you know boot pants 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.440 that pond pond people. 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.480 Wear waiters, waiters, waiters. 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:49.200 Yeah, so he snuck him so while the doorman was sleeping, 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:53.360 this like environ environ nazi and used the backstairs and 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:55.320 then he and then this guy goes and I would 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.080 do it again because he didn't have the proper permits 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.040 to trap wildlife. But It's like this guy doesn't believe 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.440 probably any you know, permits. He likes s nature. Oh 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.880 that's that's just reminded me about my time fishing in Finland. 0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:09.719 I love it. Okay. 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.320 So when the letter didn't work, he took him to 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:15.800 court and he's pissed. What people do to animals? They 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.160 make raincoats out of eels. Ew, I didn't know that. 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.200 That doesn't even sound cool, sexy sheet comfortable, like, I 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:26.520 don't get that. And then bat testicle ear rings again? 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:32.280 What what Casey? Start researching? Is this real eel raincoats? 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.880 Bat testicle ear rings? Please investigate? While I keep. 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.880 Talking, yeah, find that Etsy store, Casey, and he goes, 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.200 I want to trap Bill in a trap. Beep beep. 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.920 Stabler gets a call. He answers it while Benson keeps talking. 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.840 You know about the tree huggers whereabouts? And this guy, 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.000 if you're wondering, he's the high maintenance actor Ben Sinclair. 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.440 I thought, so yeah, yeah, and he looks like a 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.840 baby John Malkovich. If you know, my husband just went 0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.400 to dinner with him a week ago. With Ben's Sinclair, 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:05.520 not John Malcolmvich. Correct, with Ben Sinclair. No, I was 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:08.040 about to get in a really big fight with you 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:08.720 and your family. 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:10.560 Oh my god, that would be the only thing I 0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:15.000 talked about for I mean, I would I would like 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:16.320 hit your you. 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:21.680 In the neck if I'd be so pissed if I 0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:25.000 was not told about a John Malcovitch dinner. So, and 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.920 the night before while the attack was happening, he was 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.160 at a lecture on the use of algae as a 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:36.760 source of energy. Stabler comes back and party, first time party. 0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:40.920 He he goes back in the water. 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.880 Sabler said, I love drug race. Okay. 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.920 So Stabler comes back, thanks him for his time, and 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.320 so the door goes back in the water and Stabler 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.840 tells Benson. Finn says, we know how the attacker got 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.760 in the building maybe, And what we see is there's 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.280 a vacuum box on a video and it's like really 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.560 tacky box. Okay, Casey, we got we got scoop Kara, 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:04.640 what is it you want to read? 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:08.560 You cannot find anything on bat testical earrings or eel raincoats. 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.920 So this guy, I think, like the point is this 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.200 guy's being a little bit paranoid, like of course, snake 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.440 skin boots, like fox fur coats. 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:16.720 I'm sure that stuff's happening. 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.760 But like I think this guy's going like a little 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.080 bit crazy. Yeah. Like also, maybe they do this in 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.040 foreign countries and we don't have the right Google search 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:26.960 terms because it's in different languages or something. 0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:33.200 Yeah, that's Google. Google has the Come on, Google knows everything. 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:35.960 I don't know if they do it in like, if 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.040 they do it in like China and we don't have 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.480 Chinese character, we're not looking it up in Chinese characters 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.800 might not uh, they might not be written. 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.160 I don't know, Kara, please take that. 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.359 You think that it's just impossible it exists if it's 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:50.000 not on Google. 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.960 Okay, but if I wrote people who eat crickets, it 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.160 doesn't like in America, we don't eat crickets, but it 0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:58.040 would say what countries people eat crickets in. 0:34:59.040 --> 0:34:59.720 That's different. 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.440 That's more cow is that because that's more common. This 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:08.280 is very very okay, but Anthony very specific a niche No, okay, 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.600 then it's just a very creative as telling me. 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.280 You're telling me Google doesn't tell us things that happen 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:14.799 in different countries that don't happen here. 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.839 It's not what I'm telling you. I'm saying that that's 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.600 exactly what different. No, it's not. 0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:20.960 I'm saying if if it's in a different language with 0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.440 different characters, and we're not using the right search terms, 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.520 it might not come up. If something only happens in 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:28.920 France and you don't search for the French word for bat, 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:31.879 then you might not there might not be an article 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:33.279 about it written in English. 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.400 That's all I'm saying. Okay, So we're back to this 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:42.400 vacuum box. Who even vacuums anymore? Okay? So we so 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:43.560 we see this box. 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:45.319 Is there a new technology where you don't have to 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:46.120 vacuum anymore? 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:56.440 It's red, yellow, orange, okay, Tina Berner. 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:03.759 So then the vacuum is called vacattack. 0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:07.360 And the super said the box was delivered two hours 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.880 before the attack, and it was sent to the super 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:12.759 and he left it in the basement and when he 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:14.440 went back to get it in the morning, boom, it 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.560 was ripped open and empty. So the purp had himself 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.880 delivered last night, which is a good way to avoid 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.840 cameras and dormant. 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:25.080 So they go over to. 0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.200 The local freight company that handle the delivery. They go 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.200 to talk to the employee and get all the scoop. 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.880 No warrants are asked, She's down to give all the scoops. 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.120 She doesn't give a fuck. So one label is for 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.720 the real vacuum, and then there is a duplicate label 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.640 and it's made from a different IP address, and then 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.040 it cuts straight to Reuben Morales, friend of the pod, 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:48.759 and he's like, oh my god, this hacker is genius, genius, 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:54.000 black hat level, holy shit high tech breach braking uses 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.800 a lot of you know, high tech words. 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.319 They can't track at all. 0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.640 Finn comes in and debunks the theory that it can 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.319 be because he can't be at two places at once. 0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.160 He was at this Algae event. Dixon is not having 0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.279 an affair. It's very not likely. And also outside of 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:13.480 the tree hugging community, he's very well liked. But Benson 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.320 is like, you don't get branded ruiner for no reason, 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.920 so there's got to be something else. Let's take another 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.480 run at Dixon. Craigan busts in and says, well, he 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.480 needs to get in line. We got another victim, so 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:28.160 they rushed to the apartment of Victor Ramos on one 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.680 hundred and sixteenth Street. He's boud, he was bound and 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.200 trust I never ever heard that word trust. 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:39.200 Oh yeah, trust that. What does that mean? Tiede tied? Okay? 0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.240 Yeah, And but I think trus trust. 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.080 Is when you're tied like back, okay, like okay, like 0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:45.720 a little pig. 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.320 Yeah. 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:51.080 And so Upper West Side guy, no witnesses and his chest, 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:56.320 says Trader. And he's on a stretcher. Intense, blue eyes, 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.600 very intense. And he's at the precinct. Did we ever 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:02.279 talk about aout the Hugh Grant Ashley Graham interview or No. 0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.879 We did, but I don't remember if it was here 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.840 or somewhere else we did. 0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.680 I just think of that movie Mickey Blue Eyes when 0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:12.680 I say blue Eyes. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:17.920 Oh you don't at all. No, you don't think of 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:19.760 that cover. Nope. 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.080 So whatever, But he's at you know, he's at the precinct, 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.319 this blue eye guy, and he's more alert than the 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:30.720 previous dude. He's ready to talk. He was cooking dinner 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.200 for his daughters. They were coming home from soccer practice 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.200 in a half an hour, and he felt a sharp 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:37.560 pain in his neck as well. 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:38.719 And then he woke up. 0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:40.920 His hands and feet were tied, and his chest burned 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:41.800 with the word Trader. 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:43.960 I wonder how he called the cops. Surf. 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:45.680 His daughters found him and called the cops, like, I 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:50.279 wonder what happened. So Stabler is like, so, any idea 0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:52.480 about like what happened? And he goes, No, I've never 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.319 betrayed anyone. I'm a good man, and this is a 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:57.319 red flag for me. This is kind of like when 0:38:57.360 --> 0:39:01.400 people say I've never lied in my life, and it's like, really, 0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:07.600 come on, We've all betrayed and lied, and these the 0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:13.000 sayings of ultimatums are clear red flags that you are 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.960 a liar and be tire like sorry, So he goes, 0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.279 why would I use a candle from my kitchen? And 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.719 then he can't finish his sentence, and Stabler finishes it 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.719 for him and goes and sexually assault you with it. 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:28.160 So up his butt is a candle? What's up your button? 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.560 Around the corner? Your own candle? Go, We're gonna find out, 0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:35.440 but we're gonna start with work. Do you have any 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:39.360 enemies from work? He's a tax accountant and he doesn't 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.920 feel like he's pissed anyone off, and he has no 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.080 enemies outside of work. This would be the opposite of me. 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.359 They'd be like, so, who would want to do this 0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.799 to you? And I'd be like, all right, well, get 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:56.279 your pen and paper out, get a scenographer in the room, 0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.640 get a couple of scenographers. Someone's wrists might get tired, 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.879 and it would be like an eight month investigation. 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.160 Yeah, a lot of alibis. 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.160 Well, you have enemies, but I don't know how many 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:11.920 people would throw you and stick something up your booty. 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.120 No, they'd all be on the road. It would be 0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:15.480 like so many schedules. 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:16.479 It would be so hard. 0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:17.960 They'd be like, well, we got this one guy, but 0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:21.280 we can't talk to him until he's done doing Zany's Nashville. 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.000 They're all podcasting and they're all selling out theaters, so 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.640 they would be too busy to you know, stick my objects. 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.400 Oh my, but they would find enough objects in my 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:35.040 apartment to do it. If they did, that's part of 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:35.799 the decluttering. 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.120 You need to you're gonna fall and something's gonna slip 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:39.120 up there, Lisa. 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:43.200 It would just be like a goofy movie toy they found. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:49.440 They'd be like, any significance to this goofy movie object. 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.360 So he's, uh, He's like, I'm just trying to he 0:40:53.440 --> 0:40:56.239 seems stressed whatever, And Sailor's like, listen, I'm just trying 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.440 to find a possible motive. 0:40:57.760 --> 0:40:59.719 He's like, I don't know my wife died of a 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.080 brain or two years ago. 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.480 I'm dating a woman from church and my daughters will 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.640 go to Saint Gerald's. I've never betrayed anyone, and I 0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.160 don't know what his wife dying has anything to do 0:41:11.200 --> 0:41:11.560 with it. 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:13.919 Like you know new Gingrich has a wife that died. 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.239 We don't like him. I don't get that. I don't 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.280 get this little good boy act he's doing. Stabler slides 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.080 a photo of Bill Dixon and he goes, you know 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.680 this guy. He goes, no should I and b d 0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.799 Wong is spying and he goes his anguish seems real, 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:30.360 and Stabler and Benson are like okay, and the story 0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:32.920 and Bedie Wong goes, I'm not a lie detector. I'm 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:37.920 a man, you know, but is there a connection? And 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.120 he goes, listen, you gotta find it, like, I don't 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:41.919 know what to tell you. And they're like, well, the'll 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.319 purt broke into their homes, drug them with kenna, I mean, 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.360 penetrated them with foreign objects and targeted them. Huang's like, okay, 0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:51.600 but you're assuming the attacker isn't delusional. Something could have 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.920 set this guy off. Stabler's like branding seems like revenge, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.440 and Benson's like, I just really don't buy that this 0:41:57.480 --> 0:42:00.919 is a coincidence. Huang's like, Okay, if they did something 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:02.960 bad together, they're not going to cop to it, but 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:04.759 at some point they might want to reach out to 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.280 one another. And they're like, oh my god, you're saying 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.200 we should tail the victims. Then they're like, well, they 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.040 know us, but they don't know Finn, so let's fucking go. 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:17.400 So rhythmic music plays, and the two men go to 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:19.720 meet a third man and they're yelling on the street 0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.839 as Finn takes photos and says smile dirt bags. And 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:28.080 they're in front of a place called Gammon Imports, Importing Exporting, 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:33.879 another Seinfeld reference. And then the third guy of this 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:37.600 little trio is Alexander Gammon. So they are liars and 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:41.880 they are betrayers, Like fuck the fuck the ease at 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:47.680 which people lie. So they're pissed and scare. Benson clocks 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.840 Alexander's two thousand dollars Armani suit like that our girl 0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:57.920 knows not only purses, sunglasses, hat lingerie. Yeah, men's suits 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.680 as well. Honey, she can clock on our money for 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.080 miles away. So they head over to Gammon's place to 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.040 ask why the two men went over there to yell 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.960 at him. He's like, sorry, dudes, I don't know these guys. 0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:11.600 And then they show the receipts and he cops to 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:15.080 annoying them when he's pushed against a corner. He says 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.360 they were having a business discussion, and he's like, okay, 0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.200 well then why would you li for no reason? And 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.880 he's like all secretive and doesn't want to talk about 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.200 business and you know whatever, and then it's like not interesting. 0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:29.960 He goes listen. Bill makes high end belts and I 0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.680 give them his Christmas gifts. And Victor does accounting and 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.239 he speaks Spanish, so he works with all my Spanish clients. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.600 And Benson's like, so that's what you're secretive about. These 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.359 are the hush hush fights. You're having your belts guy 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:48.920 and your accountant and they rushed after questioning to me 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:52.400 and yell outside your business and you're being secretive. 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:53.200 Like fuck off. 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.120 We also find out that they've all been working together 0:43:56.200 --> 0:44:00.200 for ten years, and this Gammon guy's getting annoyed is 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.359 like what is this about? And then they tell him 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.520 a lot. They're like, well, both those guys have been 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:08.799 branded and sodomized. And it's like, are you allowed to like. 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.960 Just disclose what's happened to them? Yeah. 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.560 I love the therapists and doctors up to stay secret, 0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.800 but I guess the cops can just tell this guy 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.520 that these other guys have been branded and sodomized. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.400 And so Gammon's like, what's this got to do with me? 0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.120 And so they're like, well, we're trying to find some 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.680 connection between these two guys, and you seem to be it, 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.239 and you can be next, and we wouldn't want to 0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.960 have like have this happens to another innocent person. And 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.920 then he takes out a gun and says, if someone 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:40.400 wants to try it, let's go, and yes, I have 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.359 a permit, so leave. And they leave, but they don't 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.560 buy a word he said. And then holy shit. As 0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:48.440 they walk out of his place, in walk like in 0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:52.919 like past them, walks a delivery person wheeling a vack 0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:57.880 attack box. They look done, yes, chin on the floor, 0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:01.399 They're like whoa. So they have all the cameras set 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:03.480 up and they're waiting a long as time for someone 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:07.920 to pop out of this box hours hours, Like passage 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:11.279 of time is very obvious in this. Uh, these shots 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:14.319 and the shaking begins of the box after a while. 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:16.920 This is very like ace Ventura, you know with the 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:21.640 rhino ace venture too. Yes, my friend and I always 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:26.320 go sure gets hot in these rhinos when he comes out. Uh. 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:30.880 And the person scurries out of the box uses the backstairs. 0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.040 They're heading into the apartment. Wait, did you get the 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:34.480 wordle from two nights ago? 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:37.319 What the fuck that was? It was yesterday and it 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:42.200 was so hard it was guano. Yeah, and I was 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.600 like from ace Ventura, Like I thought that word was 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:46.600 in another language. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:47.759 But here we go. 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:53.160 Yeah, they're heading into the apartment. The detective watch on 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.960 the screen. The attacker enters the apartment, the TV is on. 0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.759 It's like a black and white movie. There's like, you know, 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:05.880 a business style, big leather chair, and then you know, 0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:09.160 the attacker picks up the syringe, ready to attack. He's 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:12.040 going to the chair and then the chair spins around. 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.120 It's Stabler with a gun going freeze. It's the cops 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.120 and then Benson pops up behind the attacker. They have 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.680 him on both sides and they say drop the syringe, 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.839 but instead he charges Stabler, who stops him. And then 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.160 they get to the person and holy shit, it's actually Camille, 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.000 the girl from the shipping place, and she is under arrest, 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.720 and she is out of breath, she is not happy, 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.360 and she is now in interrogation. Benson is standing behind 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.400 her like you got nothing to say, no denial, no nothing, 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:42.319 no explanation. 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:44.920 You do have the right to remain silent. But I 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:45.720 did some digging. 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:48.440 Your mom died when you were five, your dad went 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:52.360 to bellevue for schizophrenia. You've been to six foster families, 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.680 multiple arrests for drug use and delinquency. That's a good 0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.239 resume for a life of crime, except for one thing. 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.480 At sixteen, you took a state IQ test and scored 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.200 in the exceptional range. And you are so smart, but 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:09.080 you hate authority figures. Hmm, So tell me, Camille, who 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:12.239 are you? And all she says back is I'm nobody? 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:13.319 Who are you? Are you? 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:18.440 Nobody too? While crying softly, which is an Emily Dickinson poem. 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:22.520 Oh okay, I thought it was doctor Seuss, So I'm 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:24.040 glad you did a little research on that. 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.399 Or is that top of the noggin Is that a top? 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.920 No? I knew it was somebody, and so I just 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:30.200 looked it up. I'm nobody. 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:31.400 Who are you? Are you nobody too? 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.080 It goes on, but yeah, So they bring the three 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.880 stooges in to meet Camille, not to me, you know, 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.320 to identify her, and she's sitting at the table alone, 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:41.680 and the three of them look through the two a 0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.000 mirror and the Gammon guy's like this, says who you 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:46.000 ran me out of the apartment for? And that's not 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.239 his accent, but whatever, and he goes he is kind 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:51.640 of hot, but he is a douche, and so he goes, Yep, 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.080 she was gonna brand you like she branded them. And 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.000 he's like that little thing could not have done that 0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.600 to me or to them, Like, no way, and Bill says, 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.239 no way she did it, and Sailor's well, you were unconscious, 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.600 and Bill goes, no way, and Ramo says, anything's possible. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.839 I suppose, but that girl did not attack me. A 0:48:06.840 --> 0:48:09.600 man did it. And Gammon says, I don't know this girl. 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.120 We've never seen her before, and Saber's like, is that 0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.600 the same as when Bill says he's never seen any 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:16.920 of you, and then we followed him to you and 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:21.200 he answers, what are you insinuating, Detective I love it? 0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:24.000 And he's like, I'm just reviewing the facts. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.960 She went after all three of you with the intention 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:29.799 of branding new and Gammon says she's looney Tunes and 0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.759 Bill says that girl is obviously mentally ill, and Stabler's like, 0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:35.960 that's your story. All three of you are sticking with 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.799 and Gammon's like, oh, is that what you do? You 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.719 can't solve the case, so you harass the victims. So 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.640 they leave, as Gammon goes, listen, I'm buying breakfast my 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:45.239 kind of guy. 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:48.320 Only at that part. Only at the buying, only that 0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.600 part about it. Yeah. 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.799 Cragan walks right in and asks if they id'd her, 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:56.040 and they're like no, none of them have any com 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.319 like connection to Camille. For Kragan's like, well, we have 0:48:59.400 --> 0:48:59.920 to charge her. 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:01.799 We're done. Stabler breathes deep. 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:04.480 Now Craigan's, Stabler, and Benson are hanging out, and then 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:07.080 a forgettable woman da walks in and says, ugh, I 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:10.760 can't prosecute this case, and Craigan introduces her to the squad. 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:14.120 It's Jillian Hardwick. She says, I don't have enough evidence, 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.880 and Stabler's like, oh, is this your first job or something. 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.880 She's like, no, I was in the Brooklyn Blue Zone 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:23.360 when you're a da poached me and she smiles. She's 0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:27.680 like a Midwest version of Malan Ackerman. I would say, yeah, 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.520 she's the one in our live shows. I think we 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:32.600 call her white House black Market, like that's very her vibe, 0:49:32.640 --> 0:49:37.760 Like she's just like sort of a plane Jane's strawberry blonde. 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:39.239 Like yeah. 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.480 She says she's glad she did because she's a huge 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:45.600 fan of their unit, and Stabler raises his eyebrows and 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.400 she realizes that came out wrong. But she does have 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.319 a conviction rate of ninety two percent, which sounds fake. 0:49:51.719 --> 0:49:51.759 What. 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:53.880 She had one of those Etsy T shirts on like 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:56.320 under her like court clothes, and it's like the Benson 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.839 and Stabler like old like T shirt. She's like, I'm 0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.040 a huge fan. I love you guys. 0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:08.399 Yeah, so we no one cares about her and they 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.760 do have enough evidence, like they caught her in the box, 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:11.919 Stabler stopped her. 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.040 She had all the tools, and she's like, well, not exactly. 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.719 Taru did a dump on the GPS on Camille's phone 0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:20.920 and it has her at a midtown Macy's and all 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.600 Harlem target at the exact time of the first two attacks. 0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:26.880 And Stabler is like, she's a good hacker and the 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.000 men can't I d her? And Craigan's like, well, what 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:33.360 about the alleged attack like Gammin And She's like again, 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.600 he doesn't want to press charges, And Benson is like, 0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:40.719 those men did something to Camille. Huang walks in and says, wow, 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:42.800 I never thought I would hear you blame the victims, 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:45.560 and she just is like, I feel like Camille is 0:50:45.600 --> 0:50:48.480 the real victim here. Craigan says, how do we prove it? 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.160 Huang says, maybe we can find out through her method 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.600 of assault? But why now? Like what catalysts happened that 0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.840 popped her off? Like you know she's had suppressed anger, 0:50:58.360 --> 0:50:59.880 something brought it to the surface. 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.200 What happens? So they all scattered to get to work. 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.520 They get a warrant to search for space and get 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.319 to the bottom of the case. Benson and Stabler are 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:10.040 at her apartment. They can't find anything but hacking gear. 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:14.000 Stabler thinks, like Wan Huang is off the mark right 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:17.080 When Sabler says that Benson finds old photos in a 0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:21.200 report card and then boom baby summer camp photo, clean 0:51:21.360 --> 0:51:22.120 air Camp. 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.080 Weird camp. Well, it's based off of. 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.440 Fresh Air Fund, which is a real camp and like 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.640 things for kids that are like in the foster care 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.799 system or like need camp. My friend did that for 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:36.040 her wedding instead of gifts, she had everybody give money 0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:36.879 to the Fresh Air Fund. 0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:39.600 And why can't it be like a more fun name, 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:43.759 like sports and games, you know, like what, because I. 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.440 Think it's like mostly getting kids out of cities into 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.520 like the country where they can like have like clean 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:50.319 it more fresh air. 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:51.719 Yeah, got it. 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:56.239 So a female camper's face has been erased and at 0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.719 the top guests who's there? Alexander Gammon? He is a 0:51:59.719 --> 0:52:03.520 fuck counselor. So we found the connection these fucking liars. 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:06.200 Everyone's a goddamn liar. So we go to camp. They 0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:08.759 talked to an employee who remembers Gammon. He worked there 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.640 for one summer in nineteen eighty six and he sucked. 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.480 His rich daddy got the camp owner to get him 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:17.080 a job, and he was a jerk. Stabler shows her 0:52:17.120 --> 0:52:19.360 photos of Dixon and Ramos and asks if they were 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:22.040 friendly with him, and she goes, oh, yeah, Bill was 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.279 a lifeguard and Victor worked in the kitchen, and she 0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:27.560 remembers Camille. She was a very talented girl, but she 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:30.960 came from really abusive foster homes. Stabler's like, is there 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:33.720 any evidence that Camille was molested or assaulted at camp? 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:36.080 And the employee gets pissed, like. 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.720 Nothing ever happens at camp like this blah blah blah, 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.080 and it's like, okay, Chilla out, something did happen, So 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.480 why don't you think a little harder? And she thinks 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.239 and she's like, actually, I remember something. So after the 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.160 fourth of July, there were after the fireworks, she walked 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:52.160 down to the docks and found Camille and she was 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.680 dazed and out of it, and she asked what's wrong? 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:57.080 And all Camille said was I'm nobody? Who are you? 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:58.120 Are you nobody? Too? 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:02.480 Music plays Ben's knots. So now we're in jail with Camille. 0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:05.480 As Benson tries to reach her, she says, girl, you 0:53:05.520 --> 0:53:08.239 are not nobody. Camille gives her a dirty look like 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:11.360 please don't try me. Her dark makeup is smeared underneath 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:13.759 her eyes, and Benson's like, you were fourteen we know 0:53:13.800 --> 0:53:17.680 about the Clean Air Camp Fund. Something terrible happened, and 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.320 whatever that was, you've been holding it in all these years, 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.680 and you need to talk about it now. She says, 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.400 I don't want to. Benson says, you've been through terrible 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.279 pain and I'm here to listen. Benson gets up and 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.480 moves to sit closer to her. Her gold necklaces move 0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:35.239 in a very beautiful way during this seat change, and 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:38.160 she's like, I'm asking you to tell me, Please tell me. 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.560 Camille is uncomfortable and sniffles and then starts. It was 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:45.279 fourth of July. Fireworks happened. She was walking back to 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:48.160 her bunk. Alexandra said a bunch of people were going 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.120 into the woods to drink and play games. Victor and 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:54.040 Bill were there too, and they were already drunk. After 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.799 they led her into the woods, she asked where everybody was, 0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:58.840 and they laughed and said it was a private party. 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.600 She is struggling to tell the story and begins to 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:06.279 fully sob Benson says, it's okay. Alexander and Bill held 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:09.040 her and then Victor uh tried to get them to stop, 0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:11.439 but Alexander ripped off her shorts and then raped her 0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:13.520 and then billed it as well, and then she was 0:54:13.560 --> 0:54:16.279 bleeding and Victor didn't want to, but Alexander pushed him 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.799 into it and called him a punk and made him 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.480 do it. And then Alexander said if she told anybody, 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.360 he would deny it, and he said, who would believe 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:27.239 the word of a little nobody anyway. Benson sighs with sadness. 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.200 She says, yeah, I branded them so they'll never forget 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.040 what they did to me. And I wish that i'd 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:35.360 branded Alexander. I would have burnt hell on his chest, 0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:38.640 because that's where I was going to send him. Benson says, Camille, 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:41.160 why would you wait fourteen years after you were raped? 0:54:41.560 --> 0:54:44.000 She looks down. She's been looking down a lot. She 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.759 you know, she's tough, but this is all hard for her. 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:49.160 And she explains a few weeks ago, she was walking 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.239 down Central Park South and her to laugh and it 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.880 sounded exactly like the way she used to laugh, and 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:55.080 she knew that it was her. 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:56.200 She could feel it. 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.520 And Benson asks who, and she cries, and she goes 0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:02.719 my daughter, and she cried so hard, and Benson whispers. 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:03.960 The rape got you pregnant. 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:06.560 I couldn't bear to keep her knowing one of them 0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:08.279 was the father, and I gave my baby up for 0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.080 adoption the day after she was born. And then it's 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:14.120 very deep crying and Benson takes us personally because of 0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:15.040 her own backstory. 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:16.000 Yeah. 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:20.520 This actress, by the way, is Bess Rouse. Incredible, crushing it, 0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:23.759 very good acting, tears, the pacing, the emotions, all of it. 0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:26.920 And she's in the new Nicholas Cage vampire movie that 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:27.879 I cannot wait to see. 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:30.520 Yeah, Renfield, Yeah, yeah. 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.040 So you know we're gonna keep peeling back the layers 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:35.759 of this. So we're in the squad room, Benson is 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.560 filling everyone in and the hospital confirms that Camille gave 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:43.120 birth February nineteen ninety seven. And the new DA is 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:46.319 a fucking bitch. She went from a nobody to a 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.960 fucking bitch. She goes, this seems like a stretch. You 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.000 hear a laugh, and it's your daughter that you gave 0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:55.560 up for adoption, and Benson goes in a very serious tone, 0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:58.279 a mother knows her child, and Sadler's like, one of 0:55:58.320 --> 0:56:01.600 these pricks is the father, and Da Robbery Blond is like, okay, 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.960 well if Camille is telling the truth, and Benson goes, 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.480 that's easy to prove. We find the girl, we take 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.279 the DNA and we match it to the creeps, and 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:11.000 the DA is like, okay, the files are sealed, so 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:15.000 we're done, and the statue of limitations has expired. Sailor says, fine, 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:18.040 let's get them on obstruction, like they lied about knowing her, 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:20.600 and she's like, any half assed attorney would get them off, 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:24.160 and Benson yells they're rapists, and she goes, well, my 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.120 jury's not going to hear any of that, and she's 0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:29.040 like proud of it. This isn't even bothering her. Yeah, 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:31.359 Like she doesn't want to try to help it at all. 0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.239 And so she's prosecuting Camille and she's acting like she 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:37.360 has no choice, and Benson's like, she was gang raped. 0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:40.440 And then the DA is like, okay, well she sodomized 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.759 two men and branded them with coat hangers. And Benson's like, oh, 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:46.880 you're trying to keep your percentage up. That's important to you. Huh. 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:49.440 She snaps back, you did your job and now it's 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:50.680 time to do mine, no matter how. 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:51.240 Much it hurts. 0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:54.560 So now we're in Supreme Court and we're watching the 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:57.719 video of the aggressive confession and they cut it off 0:56:57.800 --> 0:56:59.799 right before she talks about the rape, and Benson's on 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:01.520 this Dan and won't let it go. And she's like, 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.680 you didn't play like the whole confession, and the DA 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.279 cries to the judge, and the judge reminds her, like 0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:10.799 reminds the jury that she took parts out of the 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.680 confession she finds irrelevant to the case, and Benson's like, 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:17.920 what Camille said is not irrelevant. Benson's pissed. The judge 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:22.160 threatens her. David Allen Greer is Camille's attorney. Fun Love It. 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:24.240 So Bill is on the stand and he's claiming to 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:28.160 barely remembering Camille, like, oh, maybe she was a camper 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:32.360 around ninety six. He says there was no intimate contact, 0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.200 she was fourteen, and he can't think of any reason 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:38.640 besides her being insane for the attack. David Allen Greer 0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:40.680 comes up and says, Okay, so when the cops first 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:42.320 asked you about this, why did you say you didn't 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:43.040 know who this was? 0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:44.520 Now you know who it is. 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.840 And he's like, well, it's because the relation to like 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:50.640 the other guys. And so now Gammon is on the 0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:52.760 stand and he's a dick and he says, oh, yeah, 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.600 I remember her from camp. She was moody, prone to lying, 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.400 and was sexually provocative and would skinny dip with a 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:02.040 number of boys. And this guy belongs on vander Pump rules, 0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:04.080 Like this is what big of us scumbag he is. 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.480 So she screams and calls him a liar. And the 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:09.720 judge obviously is not a fan of this behavior, and 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.360 he says that she would flash him, and it's like, 0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:13.720 come on, we could just see that. 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:15.160 It's not the vibe of this person. 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:17.760 But he said that he let her down and so 0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:21.120 that's why she's attacking him and everything. And he then 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:24.560 calls her dad a whack job, and she stands up 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:26.920 and calls him a son of a bitch. And then 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:30.240 David Allen Greer grabs her to subdue her and calm 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.240 her down and says, calm down, and she screams, but 0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:36.160 he raped me. They all raped me. And then the 0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:40.120 judge says, to disregard that. But I don't get how 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:42.000 you do that. Like I know that the judges are 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:44.800 always telling the jury like, don't listen to that, but 0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:48.200 like we are human, Like I don't understand how you're 0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:51.480 supposed to just like not be human, like we heard it. 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:54.080 What do you mean like not like? 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:56.720 I just don't get how they expect people to like 0:58:56.920 --> 0:59:00.960 not take things into account. 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:01.720 Get why they're not allowed to bring it up. 0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.800 The satutal limitations is up because well, I guess because 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:05.560 you can't prove it. 0:59:05.560 --> 0:59:06.800 It's just like an accusation. 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.040 Well, yeah, like you can't bring up old things that 0:59:09.080 --> 0:59:12.120 are it's the law. 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:13.040 It's crazy. 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:17.560 So so Stabler looks pissed, and Victor's outside smoking and 0:59:17.720 --> 0:59:20.480 is not calm about any of this, and Stabler runs 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:23.760 up to him. You should have heard the accusations against you, 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:26.480 that all of you raped her, and he says that 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.120 girl is nuts and he walks off as Stabler yells, 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:31.640 are you sure, and he says, leave me alone, And 0:59:31.640 --> 0:59:34.200 Sailor's okay, it seems like you're a decent guy, not 0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:37.120 like those douchebags in there. What Camille did to you 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.800 was terrible. But those animals are painting her with a 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.200 black brush, and you have daughters, one of the same 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:46.840 age as Camille. Back then, really dramatic music plays and 0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.960 he's thinking about his daughters. Victor is on the stand 0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:52.480 and we're hoping for the best, the truth. 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:54.920 Is dot dot dot Okay. 0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:57.960 So then David Allen Greer repeats his question, what was 0:59:58.000 --> 1:00:01.760 the exact nature of your relationship with the defendant that summer? 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.720 He says, that's complicated. He's wearing the version of the 1:00:04.760 --> 1:00:07.400 outfit that's let's swear to look good in court. You know, 1:00:07.440 --> 1:00:11.760 it's like her church boy blues, like a Tom Sawyer outfit. 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:15.520 Camille is looking hissed. He says, Camille had a crush 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:18.560 on Alexander. She wanted to hook up with him all summer, 1:00:18.600 --> 1:00:20.520 and that's why she went after him. But I don't 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.080 know why she went after me and Bill. Camille does 1:00:23.120 --> 1:00:26.120 not respect the judge, and she yells out again because 1:00:26.160 --> 1:00:30.160 I heard her referring to, you know, the laughing that 1:00:30.200 --> 1:00:32.360 she heard in the park earlier, you know, and she 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:33.720 yells out she was laughing. 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:35.400 And then you know, order order. 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:38.440 The gavel hits, and then Camille says I took her picture, 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:42.120 and the judge threatens her. Benson goes into the DA's 1:00:42.120 --> 1:00:45.120 office to yell at the DA, you proud of yourself. 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:47.520 You had to trash her. She says, I have to 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:49.440 win the case. That's my job, and she's like, no, 1:00:49.520 --> 1:00:51.640 your job is to make sure that justice is done. 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:54.600 Convicting Camille is not justice. She says, that's for a 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:58.240 jury to decide, and Benson is like, they're gonna fucking 1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:00.360 have at her because you turned her in to some 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:05.240 crazy slut. Congrats, bitch, She calls out, detective, since you're 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:07.600 storming off, can you actually drop this off at like 1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:11.720 defense counsel? And that's like confusing, and then she hands 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:12.720 over a green folder. 1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:13.840 Benson is shocked. 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.120 She grabs it hesitantly, and the DA says, don't look 1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:20.800 at what's inside. But she does anyways, but the DA. 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:22.880 Says it in a way that's like, don't look at 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:24.560 what's inside, like she wants her to. 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:27.600 Oh yeah, I thought it was one of those situations 1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:29.760 where it's like if Benson looked at it, like she 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.480 would be in trouble or implicated into something, you know, 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.680 like sometimes it's I think types of games. 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:36.760 That's what I thought it was. 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:38.680 I know what you're saying, but I think she's giving 1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:41.240 her like a little hint to go do the right thing, 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:42.760 but in a way that doesn't get. 1:01:42.640 --> 1:01:43.200 Her in trouble. 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:47.320 Yeah, her eyes do open wide, marishkas and the DA 1:01:47.720 --> 1:01:51.960 says see you tomorrow. I'll like, hmm, yeah, I no 1:01:52.080 --> 1:01:55.120 exactly what you think I am. So David Allen Greer 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:58.640 then calls Hannah Milner to the stand and a blue 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.560 eyed teen walks in and I know her from Ladybird 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:05.640 and the blue eyes matched someone else's blue eyes, if 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:08.040 you know what I mean. And she walks in with 1:02:08.080 --> 1:02:12.400 a very confident swagger. Gammon leans into the da and 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:14.360 is like, who is that? And she goes, I guess 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:18.320 a defense witness. I don't know, bad acting. So this 1:02:18.400 --> 1:02:20.680 Hannah Milner's on the stand and she points at her 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:23.880 adoptive parents and there are Kansas looking as fuck, Like 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:25.760 these people do not live in New York. I don't 1:02:26.520 --> 1:02:28.760 They remind me of the scrunchy woman from Sex and 1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:31.600 the City. Like these are fucking country bumpkins if I've 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:34.800 ever seen them? So okay, And then the girl knows 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:37.680 that she has biological parents as well, and she knows 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:40.960 who her bio parents are because David Allen Greer reached 1:02:41.000 --> 1:02:43.880 out to her, Hannah Milner to do a blood test 1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:45.960 and the results came back yesterday, and she got a 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:49.920 call and was shown photos of her parents. He asks 1:02:49.960 --> 1:02:52.520 if her biological parents are in the courtroom today. She 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:55.840 says yes, and he asks if she can point them 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:59.200 out please. She points to her mother and that is Camille. 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:02.640 Before she can point, Gammon gets up and says, this 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:05.800 has nothing to do with that lunatic stalking us, and 1:03:05.840 --> 1:03:08.400 the judge obviously tells him to sit down and shut up, 1:03:08.720 --> 1:03:11.560 and so she gets back to pointing, and David Allen 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:14.120 Greer is like Alexander Gammon in the blue shirt, and 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:17.600 he pops up and says objection, this is insane. The 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:21.200 judge is like, sit down now, and Hannah says no. 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.040 The man behind him and they all look around, and 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:27.240 he says it's true. It's my daughter, and Gammon says 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:31.120 shut up. And Ramos says we raped her. I'm sorry Camille, 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:33.840 and Gammon says keeps saying shut up, shut up, and 1:03:33.920 --> 1:03:36.120 he continues, all three of us did it. We raped her, 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:39.720 and the judges had enough officers escort mister Ramos out. 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:44.080 But before Ramos is the dad right, ye, yes, yeah, 1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:46.400 the guy with bright blue eyes, yeah yeah yeah. But 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:48.800 before he is fully dragged, he gets a few hits 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:51.960 and pushes on Gammon and says that he's been paying 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:54.880 them off for their silence for years, and he made 1:03:54.960 --> 1:03:58.360 them do it. Gammon says he's crazy, and he then 1:03:58.480 --> 1:04:01.880 screams while being dragged out by two court officers. Then 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:04.760 he screams, there's other women. He pays them off. I 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:09.040 know this, I do his books. You're a rapist. Gammon 1:04:09.160 --> 1:04:12.920 keeps repeating the crazy line. Oh yeah, you know. Tax 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:17.200 accountants they don't have a what is it like therapists. 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:21.440 They don't have to keep anything secret. There's no confidentiality clauses. 1:04:22.320 --> 1:04:26.840 Accountants can spill your beams. Gammon keeps repeating the crazy line, 1:04:26.840 --> 1:04:30.520 like everyone's crazy, everyone's crazy. Ramos keeps repeating the rapist line. 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:33.400 You're a rapist, You're a rapist. The DA smiles a 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:37.520 coy smile. Stabler walks into interrogation in the brick wall 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:41.800 cage window vibe room where Gammon is sitting in all 1:04:41.840 --> 1:04:45.840 of his stewing anger, and Stabler reveals that Ramos and 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:49.760 Dixon are going to do some time for perjury, which 1:04:49.840 --> 1:04:51.720 is a small price to pay for rape, but it 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:55.240 is something. But you you're looking at a very long bid. 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:57.959 And he asks how he knew Ramos was the father, 1:04:58.040 --> 1:05:02.320 and Stabler goes DNA duh, but we also have more picks. 1:05:02.360 --> 1:05:05.080 And Stabler opens a folder with two women's faces and 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:08.600 he's like, do you recognize them? Hmmm, But obviously this 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:10.919 dude doesn't want to talk, and Sabler says, well, they're 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:13.520 on your payroll for your silence, except they're giving the 1:05:13.560 --> 1:05:16.240 money back and they're pressing charges against you, and un 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:18.880 like Camille, the statue of limitations has it run out 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:21.640 on them. And so then Gammon asks what happens now, 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:24.640 and Stabler smiles and he's really finding joy and putting 1:05:24.720 --> 1:05:28.400 the scum away, and he goes not very clever, but 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:31.440 Stabler does have fun, and he says, go directly to jail, 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:35.240 do not pasco, do not collect two hundred dollars. And 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:37.280 Camille gets to watch this on the other side of 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:41.640 the glass, and she thinks Detective Benson, and then Benson 1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:43.720 does tell her she still needs to see the judge 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:46.600 about sentencing, who might need a few days off after 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:50.680 the trial, Like I don't like, how is a crazy trial? 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:53.600 Like she needs so like a Bermuda four day like long. 1:05:53.680 --> 1:05:56.680 The judge is doing self care and needs to just reset. 1:05:57.000 --> 1:06:00.120 Yeah, like no one is listening to her, like you 1:06:00.240 --> 1:06:04.800 had a gavel so many times, but she's gonna have 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:07.919 two minor counts of trespassed, so like that's pretty chill 1:06:07.960 --> 1:06:11.440 for branding, I think. But she's okay to pray the 1:06:11.480 --> 1:06:14.160 price for her crimes, like she's a chill girl. So 1:06:14.200 --> 1:06:16.360 then she goes to meet Hannah, and Hannah wants to 1:06:16.360 --> 1:06:19.360 wish her good look in court, and Camille apologizes that 1:06:19.400 --> 1:06:21.080 this is how they had to meet, and Hannah's like, 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:24.200 I don't mind, Like this is cool, and Camille says 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:26.640 thank you, and they cry and smile and embrace and 1:06:26.680 --> 1:06:30.160 they hug deep and Benson has moved and Camille really cry, 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:33.160 like they really cry of joy, and it's like a 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:40.320 very beautiful moment. And Dick Wolf Baby Oh branded branded 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:42.600 A good one, A good one. 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:47.080 Thank you Lisa for taking us through that episode. We'll 1:06:47.080 --> 1:07:05.080 be right back with several little cases to discuss, and 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:08.840 we're back. So one of the things this episode is 1:07:08.880 --> 1:07:11.560 based on, it seems, is the Millennium book series, which 1:07:11.560 --> 1:07:14.080 are the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo books, which I'm 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:16.680 obsessed with. The you know, the Millennium book series were 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:20.240 written by Steve Larson who's a Swedish journalist and the 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:23.640 main protagonist is a woman named Lizabeth Salander, and she 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:26.080 is like a rape victim who partakes in a lot 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:29.520 of vigilante justice. And these books are like the Girl 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:31.360 with the Dragon tattoo, the Girl who played with Fire, 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:33.200 and the Girl kicked the hornet's nest and then he 1:07:33.480 --> 1:07:37.800 unexpectedly died, I believe, And oh yeah, Stieg Larsen died, 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:42.440 and so another Swedish author picked up like his estate 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:44.720 like hired him to keep going on the books. So 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:46.680 he wrote the Girl in the Spider's Web, the Girl 1:07:46.680 --> 1:07:47.960 who takes an eye for an eye, and the Girl 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:50.000 who Lived Twice And is. 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:52.520 It all one girl doing all this or is each yeah, 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:53.600 different person. 1:07:53.760 --> 1:07:57.280 No, it's always Lizabeth Salander. And she's this very skinny, 1:07:57.440 --> 1:08:01.400 genius hacker who has had like a tough upbringing. And 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:04.240 she also does at one point brand a rapist with 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.960 the words quote I am a sadistic pig, a pervert 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:07.680 and a rapist. 1:08:07.880 --> 1:08:10.760 So but only one movie, or they're gonna continue doing 1:08:10.760 --> 1:08:11.400 all these movies. 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.680 They made three movies in Swedish. I've watched all of them, 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:18.080 and they star knew me Repace and she's like a 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:20.760 Swedish actress who kind of had some crossover success. I 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:23.240 think she was in one of the Sherlock Holmes movies 1:08:23.280 --> 1:08:28.000 with Robert Downey June's and she is a great Lizabeth Salander. 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.640 Then they read that David Fincher made The Girl with 1:08:30.640 --> 1:08:36.360 the Dragon Tattoo with Svu Alum Rooney Mara, and I 1:08:36.400 --> 1:08:38.559 just didn't think that was that great. I think that's 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:41.120 why they didn't really. I think they expected them to 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:44.280 really hit and they didn't. But I loved those books 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:47.160 so much, Like I remember closing The Girl Who Played 1:08:47.160 --> 1:08:49.479 with Fire and putting it down on my coffee table 1:08:49.479 --> 1:08:51.360 and just walking out the door of my apartment to 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:54.559 go buy the next one, Like I was obsessed. Like 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:56.680 I was like, I have to read the next one immediately. 1:08:57.160 --> 1:08:58.680 So I have seen the Sweet I do like the 1:08:58.720 --> 1:09:03.439 Swedish movies. But there's a couple. There's another episode we 1:09:03.520 --> 1:09:05.400 talked about that I feel like has grow with the 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:08.680 Dragon Tattoo vibes as well, so this seems to be 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:12.840 borrowing a little bit from it. Another reference in this 1:09:13.040 --> 1:09:16.559 episode is to Richard Lee McNair, and he is a 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:18.200 murderer and I'm not really going to get into his 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:21.280 crimes because it's not really relevant, but he was in 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:24.880 prison in Louisiana and he worked in a part of 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:28.519 the prison where he repaired old mail bags, and in 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:31.559 two thousand and six he figured out a way to 1:09:31.800 --> 1:09:33.439 mail himself out of prison. 1:09:33.560 --> 1:09:35.200 Basically he made it like this. 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:37.840 Yeah, so that's kind of where the was he in 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:41.360 prison for murder? 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:42.520 M murder? 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:44.920 I don't know, but he deserved to be in jail, 1:09:44.960 --> 1:09:46.000 like he deserved to be in jail. 1:09:46.040 --> 1:09:46.559 He's a murder. 1:09:46.560 --> 1:09:46.880 Do you know? 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:47.920 I love an escape? 1:09:47.960 --> 1:09:50.680 Like, yes, that's the thing. It's like so fun when 1:09:50.720 --> 1:09:53.040 they escape, but they do deserve to be in there. 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:55.360 Here's why you're gonna love Richard Lee McNair even more. 1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:59.080 This was his third escape, Oh my third fucking escape. 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:02.559 His first escape he only lasted a few hours. His 1:10:02.640 --> 1:10:05.360 second escape, he made it October to July, so like 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:08.800 eight or nine months. And then basically what happened with 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:12.000 this one is he made an escape pod much like 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:15.040 the back attack box. It had a breathing tube and everything, 1:10:15.120 --> 1:10:18.080 and then he buried himself under mail bags and then 1:10:18.120 --> 1:10:20.960 the whole palette was shrink wrapped and forklifted to a 1:10:21.000 --> 1:10:23.920 warehouse that was outside of the security area of the prison. 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:26.400 So when all the guys broke for lunch, he just 1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:29.679 cut himself out and walked right off the property and 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:32.880 on that prison break that was from April six. They 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:35.080 didn't catch him until October of seven, so he was 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:37.240 gone for eighteen months. He got a nice little vaca, 1:10:37.960 --> 1:10:41.759 and now he's in jail forever for murder and prison escape, 1:10:41.800 --> 1:10:44.719 which is so I wonder what security he's at now. 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:47.840 Yeah, but I wonder if he's treated like a king. 1:10:47.880 --> 1:10:52.400 I wonder if you're an escape guy, if everyone's like, hell, yeah, 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.960 that's our dude, Like way to go, bro, Like if 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:56.880 you're the opposite of a pedophile, Like, I. 1:10:56.840 --> 1:10:59.200 Mean, it's wild after two escapes, they would give him 1:10:59.200 --> 1:11:01.599 any kind of job where he would have any access 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:03.360 to like the outside, you know what I mean. 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:06.000 I feel if you escape three times, that's bingo. You 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:11.000 get to leave. Yeah, you did it. You in eight 1:11:11.040 --> 1:11:13.480 to nine months alone and then eighteen months. 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:15.360 Like, yeah, we need to clever your we need to 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:18.080 harness your cleverness for good, Like you need to let 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:19.559 you out and like put you in a lab and 1:11:19.600 --> 1:11:21.000 make you solve some problems. 1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:24.080 Yeah, Like why should he should work for the FBI 1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:28.720 and help like POW's escape or something. I don't know, 1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:31.120 let me look up what he looks like. Maybe maybe 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:32.280 I'll change my opinion. 1:11:32.400 --> 1:11:32.840 I don't know. 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:35.160 I mean, I think I didn't really get into all 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:37.080 of his crimes because at first I couldn't figure out 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.280 why it was related to this episode, and then I 1:11:39.360 --> 1:11:42.840 was like, ah, yes, because he is. There was even 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:44.439 like a book or a movie or something that was 1:11:44.479 --> 1:11:47.080 like the man who mailed himself out of jail or 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:49.840 something like that. He murdered a man and shot a 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:51.280 second man in a botched robbery. 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:55.360 I'm glad he's killing men. Honestly, I'm glad it's not 1:11:55.439 --> 1:12:01.559 a woman or a child. I mean it's someone's child. Yeah. 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:04.160 So then the case that this is also based on 1:12:04.320 --> 1:12:09.639 more broadly, it appears, is a case that happens. 1:12:09.760 --> 1:12:11.400 So he was just trying. 1:12:11.240 --> 1:12:15.240 To do a burglary and was surprised by two men 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:18.160 and murdered one of them, Like he wasn't planning on. 1:12:18.200 --> 1:12:22.560 Murdering, Okay, but he murdered somebody. 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:25.000 Yeah, an accident and then he just shot someone four 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:26.320 times but they survived. 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:28.400 And I think I wonder if he would have gotten 1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:29.879 parole if he hadn't kept escaping. 1:12:30.600 --> 1:12:34.400 I wonder, No, obviously this is a psychopath, but like 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:37.240 I'm just I love an escape. 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:40.000 Okay, yeah, let's let's keep it moving. Let's sell. 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:43.120 The case that this is also based on is the 1:12:43.120 --> 1:12:47.000 case of Masami Yoshinaga. This happened in nineteen ninety five 1:12:47.040 --> 1:12:51.360 in Okinawa, Japan, where there was and I believe still is, 1:12:51.840 --> 1:12:53.920 and I know there still is a US military presence. 1:12:53.920 --> 1:12:54.960 I don't know how heavy it is. 1:12:55.479 --> 1:12:58.240 This case involved one guy from the Navy named Marcus 1:12:58.280 --> 1:13:02.719 Gill and two Marine named Roudriko Harp and Kendrick Ledett, 1:13:03.120 --> 1:13:07.000 who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa. So Gil, 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:09.920 who seems like he was the ringleader of this group 1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:12.400 of dudes, rented a white van and picked up the 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:14.360 other two guys, and then there was a fourth guy 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:14.800 as well. 1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:16.280 They went around to lunch. 1:13:16.439 --> 1:13:19.120 They drove around all afternoon, and then Gil started talking 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:22.120 about raping someone and the fourth man was like, I'd 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:23.760 like to be dropped off please, and so he got 1:13:23.760 --> 1:13:26.000 out of the car and didn't want anything to do 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:28.920 with what they were doing. Ladette and Harp wanted to 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.240 pay for sex, like they had some money between them, 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:33.360 and they were like, let's just go find like a 1:13:33.400 --> 1:13:35.880 sex worker. And Gil had no money, and plus he 1:13:35.960 --> 1:13:40.400 said paid sex was quote no fun. So Harp's attorney, 1:13:40.920 --> 1:13:46.439 mitsu Nobu Matsunaga, said that Gil said it was just 1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:49.559 for fun. So Harp and Ledett thought he was joking 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.760 about this whole thing until he showed them that he 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:56.320 was prepared with duct tape and condoms. So I don't 1:13:56.360 --> 1:13:59.559 know why they didn't bail then, but they were still 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.040 in the car and at eight pm they saw a 1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:06.080 twelve year old Japanese schoolgirl named Masami Yoshinaga, wearing a 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:08.400 school uniform and carrying a bag of books, just walking 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:11.360 along the street. They pulled her into the van, kidnapped her, 1:14:11.439 --> 1:14:14.000 beat her to be quiet, duct tape her eyes and 1:14:14.040 --> 1:14:16.400 her mouth shut, and bound her hands, and then they 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:19.160 drove to a secluded field. Another source I read said 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:20.240 it was a beach. I don't know, but it was 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:22.920 about twenty minutes away. They parked the car and the 1:14:22.960 --> 1:14:26.040 men all got out, and then Gil, the ringleader, who 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:28.840 is humongous, like a six feet tall two hundred and 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:31.440 sixty to two hundred and seventy pounds, got in the backseat, 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:34.240 and when the girl struggled, he said, quote unquote, let 1:14:34.280 --> 1:14:36.040 me do what I want to do. And this whole 1:14:36.040 --> 1:14:37.559 story like makes me want to throw up because the 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:40.360 girl is so young and it's just horrible all five. 1:14:40.280 --> 1:14:42.679 Ways, guys, And this is I mean, we talk about 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:46.160 this on the pod so much, but it's like American heroes, 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:49.120 you know, yeah, like military, you're a hero. 1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:51.640 Like fuck no, these are just men that think they 1:14:51.680 --> 1:14:55.080 can take what they want and like they're especially it's 1:14:55.120 --> 1:14:58.240 like you're like a guest in this country, Like what 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:01.760 are you? You can't come at crimes. It's horrible. And so, 1:15:02.200 --> 1:15:06.080 according to Harp's lawyer, Ladette and Harp, the other. 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:07.920 Two guys feel like they're victims of this too. I'm 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:10.639 sure they take no responsibility. We sure they're like this 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:13.320 big guy made us. We had no choice. Yeah, but 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:15.400 you think you're you think your heroes and in the 1:15:15.400 --> 1:15:21.240 military and deserve so much attention and accolades, and yet 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:23.600 you don't even have the courage to stand up to 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:24.320 a colleague. 1:15:25.080 --> 1:15:26.800 Get yes, girl, you're gonna hear it all. 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:31.240 So Ladett and Harper apparently went into the backseat as 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:34.040 well and saw how young the girl was and bailed. 1:15:34.280 --> 1:15:37.080 The confusing thing is that Harp signed a documents saying 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:39.320 he committed the rape, and then later he said he 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:42.120 just helped Gil do it, So it's really unclear whether 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:44.200 he did it or not because he did confess and 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:47.479 then he recanted his confession. Ladette said he only pretended 1:15:47.520 --> 1:15:49.120 to do it because he was scared of Gil, and 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:52.479 everyone seems to back up Ladett's story, like he's really 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:55.800 mostly considered an accessory through most of this. Then they 1:15:55.920 --> 1:15:57.760 threw her out of the car after they were done 1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:00.920 and left. They were arrested by US military police two 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:01.679 days later. 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:04.080 Who let them go with a pat on the back. 1:16:04.479 --> 1:16:06.760 No no listen in this case actually, like this case 1:16:06.760 --> 1:16:10.439 actually became extremely political with and became a huge thing 1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:13.720 with US Japan relations. These men claim that they were 1:16:13.760 --> 1:16:16.519 being discriminated against because they were all black, and they 1:16:16.520 --> 1:16:19.720 said that their confessions were coerced and they recounted them 1:16:20.120 --> 1:16:23.200 and in the Japanese media, I thought this was interesting. 1:16:23.280 --> 1:16:25.840 Photos of their faces were almost non existent, like they 1:16:25.840 --> 1:16:29.800 weren't splashed all over papers because they were worried that 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.760 the angry public reaction as it was because people were 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:35.360 extremely angry about how the attack and who these men 1:16:35.400 --> 1:16:38.040 were as military men, and how they were, how young 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:40.040 the victim was, but they were worried that it would 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:44.000 further develop into a race issue. But back in the US, 1:16:44.080 --> 1:16:46.680 I'm reading an LA Times article that goes Ldett is 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:49.679 literally a boy scout and a church usher. Gil took 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:54.519 AP classes and played football and Harp's only criminal record 1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:56.639 was stealing five dollars from another student. 1:16:56.800 --> 1:16:58.439 Good boys, like you. 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:00.320 Know, the whole slant of these stories is like who 1:17:00.320 --> 1:17:03.200 would have expected it? And it's like we hear this 1:17:03.280 --> 1:17:06.760 shit all the fucking time. So what happened after that, 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:10.160 after they were arrested is because of the there's something 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:13.840 called the US Japan Status of Forces Agreement, which grants 1:17:13.880 --> 1:17:17.000 the US military some privileges in Japan, and these men 1:17:17.040 --> 1:17:19.800 were because of that, These men were initially held on 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:22.439 the US base, even though the crime was committed off 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:25.320 the base. There were rumors going around that these guys 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:28.400 were like roaming free on the base, eating burgers, living 1:17:28.400 --> 1:17:31.519 their lives like nothing happened. But the US military says, no, 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:33.720 we had them in a jail on our property. And 1:17:33.800 --> 1:17:36.720 I will say, when I went to Kuwait to do 1:17:36.800 --> 1:17:39.000 stand up for the troops. I did go to a 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:41.360 Navy base where I saw the jail that they keep 1:17:41.720 --> 1:17:45.120 guys in when they commit crimes, like in Kuwait, they 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:45.719 where they. 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:48.960 Keep the guys so they do exist. That's all I'm saying. 1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:50.639 I don't know if they put the guys in there 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:54.080 that much, but the people of Japan were obviously furious. 1:17:54.160 --> 1:17:57.599 They wanted these men turned over to Japanese authorities, which 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:00.439 is the policy after formal charges are brought, which I 1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.640 think in our case would be called like an indictment. 1:18:03.120 --> 1:18:05.400 So basically, these guys got. 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:07.719 Taken in on September sixth, and a couple of weeks 1:18:07.760 --> 1:18:09.320 go by and they're still not hands it over to 1:18:09.400 --> 1:18:11.880 Japanese authorities because they haven't been brought up on formal 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:15.560 charges yet. There's all these anti American feelings in Okinawa 1:18:15.640 --> 1:18:17.760 as it is because of their presence there, and then 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:21.759 this crime did not help any of that. So Okinawa 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:24.439 was one of the most important American military outposts in 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:27.960 the Pacific at that time. Forty five thousand US troops 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.400 were stationed there, and this led to a lot of 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:33.479 debate about whether Japan should ask for a lighter presence 1:18:33.520 --> 1:18:36.640 from the US military so they were formerly indicted on 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:38.840 September twenty ninth, and they moved into the custody of 1:18:38.920 --> 1:18:42.600 Japanese authorities. So whether or not they had this like 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:47.200 twenty four day twenty three day, like you know, vacation 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:50.639 on their military base, who knows. On October twenty first, 1:18:50.680 --> 1:18:53.519 there was a huge rally to protest this incident and 1:18:53.560 --> 1:18:57.760 protest US military bases. Eighty five thousand residents participated in 1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:00.439 the rally in Ginowan City Ginewan City, sorry if from 1:19:00.439 --> 1:19:03.360 pronouncing that in quickly, and and that included the governor 1:19:03.400 --> 1:19:07.719 of Okinawa, Masahide Ota, and the largest protest in Okinawa 1:19:07.800 --> 1:19:09.880 since this treaty was signed to nineteen sixties. So this 1:19:10.000 --> 1:19:12.880 really was like a huge up like this crime really 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:16.280 caused a huge uprising in Japan due to the protests 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:21.439 regarding jurisdiction. The US actually made some concessions and agreed 1:19:21.479 --> 1:19:25.320 to consider transferring suspects over to Japanese authorities beforeign indictment 1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:27.200 if the severity of the crime warrants it, which you 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:29.920 would assume in this case, like a brutal rape of 1:19:29.920 --> 1:19:33.439 a child, a murder like something like that. So this 1:19:33.560 --> 1:19:37.160 agreement was decided at an emergency meeting between Bill Clinton 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:42.840 and Japanese Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto. So this crime is 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:46.840 making like legislation and you know, international foreign policy happen. 1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:50.040 So the people of Okinawa also placed a full page 1:19:50.040 --> 1:19:52.200 ad in the New York Times decrying the rape and 1:19:52.240 --> 1:19:55.240 other aspects of having the US base in Okinawa. And 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:58.040 then in nineteen ninety six, the United States and Japan 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:01.479 signed a bilateral agreement to reduce the amount of land 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.280 on Okinawa covered by US basis by twenty one percent. 1:20:04.439 --> 1:20:09.160 So some change did come from this and the okay. 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:12.160 So then US Navy admirals, remember one of these guys 1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:13.400 is in the Navy and two of them are in 1:20:13.400 --> 1:20:16.519 the Marines. The US Navy Admiral Richard C. Mack was 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:19.080 the commander of the United States Pacific Command at the 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:21.879 time of the attack. At a press conference in November 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:25.400 of ninety five, so two months after the attack, he said, quote, 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:27.960 I think it was absolutely stupid. I have said several 1:20:27.960 --> 1:20:30.000 times for the price they paid to rent the car, 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:32.840 they could have had a girl, meaning they could have 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:35.280 just hired a sex worker. There was no need to 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:38.040 do what they did. And like obviously these remarks were 1:20:38.560 --> 1:20:42.000 very much condemned, and he lost his job and he 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:45.000 was forced into early retirement. He also had his rank 1:20:45.080 --> 1:20:48.160 reduced to rear admiral, which is a two star, from 1:20:48.200 --> 1:20:50.479 a full star admiral from a full admiral which is 1:20:50.479 --> 1:20:53.439 a four star. So that's it means nothing to us, 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:56.680 but that's a huge like shame probably in the military. 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.599 And his pension got reduced from like seventy three hundred 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.080 dollars a month to fifty nine hundred dollars a month, 1:21:02.120 --> 1:21:06.400 still living large. So eventually these three men were tried 1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:08.960 in Japanese court in March of nineteen ninety six, and 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:10.880 the cases were heard by three judges. They do not 1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:14.000 have jury trials in Japan, they have judges. So Gil 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:17.320 pleaded guilty to rape, so even though he originally like 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:20.040 recnced his confession, he pleaded guilty, and the other two 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:24.200 pleaded guilty to conspiracy. Gil described the incident to the 1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:28.439 court in such graphic detail that the court interpreter broke 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:29.200 down in tears. 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:31.000 Horrible. 1:21:31.760 --> 1:21:35.000 Prosecutors asked for the max for each of them, which 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:38.840 was ten years each. Harp's lawyer Matsunaga told the La 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:43.120 Times that rape convictions under Japanese law normally result in 1:21:43.160 --> 1:21:46.240 three to four years, which does not seem like a lot, 1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:49.240 but the US court martial for rape in Okinawa has 1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:52.240 typically carried a minimum sentence of ten years. So Gil 1:21:52.280 --> 1:21:56.360 and Harp. Gil is the main guy, he gets seven years. 1:21:56.800 --> 1:21:59.280 Harp also gets seven years. He's the guy who first 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:01.040 said he did it and then said he just helped. 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:05.000 The judges said they believed Ladette the real the guy 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:08.519 who was the helper, who didn't actually commit a rape, 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:11.880 and said that, but Harp had already confessed to the rape, 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:14.160 and they could not rely on his later testimony that 1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:16.880 denied it. So they gave him seven But the other 1:22:16.920 --> 1:22:19.240 guy got six and a half. Ladette got six and 1:22:19.280 --> 1:22:22.600 a half. So that's I cannot believe that's what a 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:25.080 judge feels is a fair punishment for like ruining the 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:26.439 life of a twelve year old child. 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:31.200 But you know, this is Japan. They what they're But. 1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:35.040 I looked up California and it feels like the sentences 1:22:35.080 --> 1:22:38.320 are more like ten years and then thirteen years if 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:40.439 depending on the age of the child. If it's a child, 1:22:40.560 --> 1:22:42.800 it's a minor. Excuse me, that's what that's the word 1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:44.960 I'm supposed to be using if it's a minor, so 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:47.839 we definitely have harsher sentences here. 1:22:48.080 --> 1:22:50.320 But this feels like I don't. 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:51.680 Know why they would have gotten any leniency, and they 1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:54.439 wouldn't have all just gotten the max. Their families also 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:58.000 paid monetary compensation to the family of the victim, which 1:22:58.000 --> 1:23:02.040 I guess is common practice in Japan. Darryl Johnson, who 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:04.600 was the president of the Okinawa chapter of the NAACP, 1:23:04.760 --> 1:23:08.639 said the sentence was excessive. He said, quote excessive compared 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:11.720 to verdicts that would be given to Okinawan nationals. I'm 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:14.040 not sure whether it's because they are American or African 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:16.839 American end quote, And I'm like, it doesn't seem excessive 1:23:16.840 --> 1:23:18.800 to me at all for what they did. They like 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:21.360 went on a hunting expedition. Are you kidding me? Like 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:25.600 this wasn't like a he said, she said date rape situation, 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:27.799 like this is a child that they kidnapped. 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:31.240 Also, is there not a kidnapping charge? I don't know. 1:23:31.360 --> 1:23:33.559 I'm getting angry at Japanese court right now. 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:36.720 No, I'm honestly looking this Daryl Johnson guy up so 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:37.879 I can write him an emails. 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:41.160 That's what I'm doing right now to think that. 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:45.160 That's not I just don't understand how no one thinks 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:47.479 that that's a light sentence. I'm like truly sitting here 1:23:47.520 --> 1:23:50.200 in chakra right now that anyone thinks that this is 1:23:50.560 --> 1:23:52.719 an excessive sentence to rape. 1:23:52.760 --> 1:23:55.400 I just like I don't understand. 1:23:55.760 --> 1:23:59.000 Yeah, yeah, seven years feels like what you get for 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:03.160 like dealing drugs or like a nonviolent robbery or something. 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:06.160 But I mean, I'm also going by us where we're 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:12.280 obsessed with the prison system, so maybe Japan has different situations, don't. 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:18.639 I don't think I'm obsessed with punitive like punishments. I 1:24:18.960 --> 1:24:23.160 just I'm like, if you are someone that is down 1:24:23.439 --> 1:24:27.320 with raping a twelve year old, I don't think you 1:24:27.360 --> 1:24:30.200 should be allowed to interact with humans. 1:24:30.360 --> 1:24:32.160 Yeah, you're a danger to the public. 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:37.880 Like and if you're okay chilling while your friend does that, 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:42.400 you shouldn't be allowed in public, Like I don't. 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:45.280 I don't think I'm the crazy one. Yeah. 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:51.439 Yeah, and not only that, you join the military, you're 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:56.400 not even just a regular person, Like you have special privileges. 1:24:57.600 --> 1:25:01.920 You chose to have a gun, you chose to like 1:25:02.960 --> 1:25:05.640 have you know, I don't know, special key card, access 1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:07.720 to other privileges. 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:09.120 It's just like twisted. 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:12.400 Yeah, it's twisted for someone to say it's excessive. 1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:16.880 Daryl Johnson, go fuck yourself. Yeah. 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:20.320 So these three men served prison terms in Japanese prisons. 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:22.880 They were released during two thousand and three, so they 1:25:22.960 --> 1:25:25.880 all did their full sentence and they were given other 1:25:25.960 --> 1:25:29.519 than honorable discharge from the military. Seems like a very 1:25:29.560 --> 1:25:33.880 euphemistic way to say rapists. After their release, Rodriko Harp 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:37.680 decried the prison conditions in Japan and said that the 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:40.080 prison labor he was forced to do it was basically 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:43.360 like slave labor. Well, I mean, but that's that is true, 1:25:44.000 --> 1:25:48.160 and then this is wild Ladette, the one who claimed 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:52.000 he didn't even do this, died in two thousand and 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:55.879 six in an apparent murder suicide in the United States. 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:59.200 He was found in the apartment of Lauren Cooper, who 1:25:59.280 --> 1:26:02.559 was a Jew at Kenesaw State University. And I believe 1:26:02.560 --> 1:26:04.960 also that's the name of Erica Christensen's character in her 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:08.240 episode Wildly, But she was a junior at Kanessas State 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:11.760 University who he had apparently sexually assaulted and murdered by strangulation, 1:26:11.840 --> 1:26:13.479 and then he took his own life by just like 1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:18.000 cutting his arm open at the elbow and that's how 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:20.640 he died. And he's the one that was the accessory. 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:23.639 Yes, but this is what we were just talking about 1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:26.120 four months ago. People like, if. 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:29.080 You can do that, yeah, what can't you do? Yes, 1:26:29.439 --> 1:26:31.519 this is what like if you can. 1:26:31.760 --> 1:26:36.160 Rape or sit idly by while your friend rapes a 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:40.160 twelve year old, I'm not shocked that you would fucking 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.840 slice a woman's throat and take your own life, Like 1:26:42.840 --> 1:26:47.519 that's not Yeah. 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:47.920 Yeah, so that's that case. 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:50.760 I mean, it's like it's it's similar in the sense 1:26:50.800 --> 1:26:53.200 that it's like three men and it's not summer camp. 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:56.600 It was more of a kidnapping situation. But and I unfortunately, 1:26:56.640 --> 1:27:00.519 like I can't find any information on like the victim. 1:27:00.560 --> 1:27:02.800 I wanted to see if maybe she had like you know, 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:06.320 I bet Japan locks that shit down. Yeah, yeah, I 1:27:06.360 --> 1:27:08.880 think that's probably it. So there's no information on like 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:12.599 how she's doing or anything. But if she was twelve 1:27:12.600 --> 1:27:15.679 and ninety six, she's in her like thirties by now, 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:19.440 so I hope she's been able to heal. But horrible, 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:24.000 and I just like, ugh, just this idea of like 1:27:24.600 --> 1:27:27.240 you're in this are you in this country to protect people? 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:29.000 What are you in this country for? Why are you? 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:32.120 Like you just don't have any respect for the country 1:27:32.160 --> 1:27:35.280 that you're living in. And but these guys probably would 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:37.040 have done something like this in the US too. It 1:27:37.120 --> 1:27:40.040 doesn't really have anything to do with the location. It's 1:27:40.200 --> 1:27:44.200 just fucked and it gives us all a bad name, 1:27:44.360 --> 1:27:48.920 all Americans when the military guys act like assholes. 1:27:49.800 --> 1:27:52.439 Then it's also the theory of like men will just 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:55.600 defend any other man, like this Daryl guy being like, 1:27:55.720 --> 1:27:58.800 I don't know, is this successive? Like why is your 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:01.640 instinct not put them away for life? They raped a 1:28:01.680 --> 1:28:05.280 twelve year old? Fuck that guy, Like, I don't get 1:28:05.320 --> 1:28:07.559 the instinct to be like, I don't know. I think 1:28:07.560 --> 1:28:08.320 it's political. 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:10.439 I think it's political because he's the head of an 1:28:10.800 --> 1:28:14.760 organization that's you know that where he has to They 1:28:14.800 --> 1:28:16.640 asked him for a statement about this, and you know 1:28:16.680 --> 1:28:18.679 he has to look at it from that through that lens. 1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:21.360 I guess I think the lens can be what a 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:24.960 sad day and he makes all of us look bad. Yeah, 1:28:25.120 --> 1:28:28.360 I'm so glad someone that rapes twelve year olds is 1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:30.160 put away their. 1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:33.040 Right, Like I don't I don't. 1:28:32.920 --> 1:28:39.599 Understand how the nc NAACP how it's the advancement for 1:28:39.720 --> 1:28:43.960 their people to defend or think it's excessive to punish 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:48.080 a rapist, like in what world? Right, change the race 1:28:48.120 --> 1:28:52.439 of the victim? Yeah, change the race of the victim? 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:57.920 Like does then suddenly is the sentence successive? 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:00.000 Right? 1:29:00.080 --> 1:29:00.280 Right? 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:07.400 It's just the it's just like the instinct, Like why 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:11.800 is your instinct to defend the predator? Yeah, well that 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:15.320 speaks volumes because I could be wrong all the time. 1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:18.200 I can be wrong often, but my instinct is always 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:22.160 to defend the viac, Like you know, there could be 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:25.240 instances when I'm wrong, but my but my instinct is 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:30.120 always who's being victimized? Or like who is who is 1:29:30.160 --> 1:29:33.679 the power? Who lacks the power in the situation? Like, yeah, 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:35.479 what's going on? And then I could be wrong or 1:29:35.479 --> 1:29:38.400 like oh yeah, you're right, Like I think it's like 1:29:38.880 --> 1:29:42.880 important or like interesting, like where your instinct goes to 1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:45.120 who you empathize with or like who you want to 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:50.120 side with? So often men like the instinct is to 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:54.960 defend a predator, and that is confusing to me. 1:29:55.160 --> 1:29:59.120 Yeah, this is a man defending other men about the sentence, 1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:01.360 Like I don't think he's condoning their crimes in any way, 1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:04.759 but he's it's about the sentence, and it's like, however 1:30:04.800 --> 1:30:06.559 you look at it, the sentence is too light for 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:08.720 Okinawa Nationals. If you think that it would be more 1:30:08.880 --> 1:30:11.640 less f it's too light, like it's too light as 1:30:11.720 --> 1:30:14.360 it is. It makes you no like it truly is 1:30:14.600 --> 1:30:17.720 mind boggling. But oh my god. On the Housewives they 1:30:17.800 --> 1:30:20.800 keep saying I'm mind boggled about this, Like, Wow, you're 1:30:20.800 --> 1:30:23.360 mind boggling me right now, and it's really cracking me 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:25.600 up these days. Sorry, trying to get it onto a 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:28.519 lighter note before we move on to our amazing guest. 1:30:29.000 --> 1:30:31.160 You guys are gonna love her. We'll be right back 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:41.479 with that. Our guest today is an actor who has 1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:43.559 had her life saved by some of the best TV 1:30:43.640 --> 1:30:46.519 doctors out there, having recently been featured on Chicago Med 1:30:46.560 --> 1:30:49.680 and Gray's Anatomy. But you can also catch her in 1:30:49.760 --> 1:30:53.599 a new Nicholas Cage vampire movie called Renfield out right now, 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.639 very anticipated and she's in the very small cast. 1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:59.120 And you guys know her today as. 1:30:59.040 --> 1:31:04.040 The cardboard box busting hacker Camille Walters. Guys, please enjoy 1:31:04.080 --> 1:31:06.719 our convo with the lovely best Rouse. 1:31:07.120 --> 1:31:10.479 I guess the first question seeing you, are you a 1:31:10.600 --> 1:31:14.880 natural curly haired woman or are you straightening your hair? 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:15.559 What's happening. 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:20.280 I'm a very very curly haired gal. I started straightening 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:22.639 it around twenty eighteen, so. 1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:26.880 Yeah, how'd you get good at it? 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:31.040 So you never straightened it before twenty eighteen? And then I've. 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:33.519 Not really like my mom, let me get it blown 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:38.280 out once when I was thirteen, which was just major. 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:44.160 And but we're going to about mitzvah or something, well. 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:46.320 Yes, yes, it was mine. 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:49.799 Yeah, what was that theme? 1:31:51.560 --> 1:31:54.320 Was ice skating because I was an ice skater in 1:31:54.360 --> 1:31:59.400 my childhood, so that was my theme. Yeah. 1:31:59.479 --> 1:32:01.559 Do you ever get called in for parts where you'd 1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:02.280 have to ice skate? 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:03.240 Never? 1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:06.920 Oh, they need to make it more prominent on your 1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:09.160 resume as a special skill. 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:12.960 I've never, I know, people ask that. I'm like, no, 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:16.280 you know, I've never. I've never gotten the call. 1:32:18.920 --> 1:32:23.840 This episode is wild. Tell us about Kara Loves Summer camp. 1:32:23.920 --> 1:32:26.400 So I'm sure you were, well a fresh air Yeah, 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:29.400 a fresh air campus. Yeah, I did love them going 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:33.080 to a fresh air camp. But you tell us about 1:32:33.080 --> 1:32:33.800 your like like. 1:32:33.800 --> 1:32:34.799 Law and Order journey. 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:38.080 You had done two episodes of Original Recipe before you 1:32:38.080 --> 1:32:41.080 did SVU, and so then did they just know you 1:32:41.120 --> 1:32:42.519 and kind of bring you in for this one? Did 1:32:42.560 --> 1:32:44.559 you have to audition? Did they get like, oh, how 1:32:44.560 --> 1:32:45.000 did it work? 1:32:45.520 --> 1:32:48.280 Like it actually took me seven and a half years 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:49.439 to get on SVU. 1:32:50.560 --> 1:32:51.080 Wow. 1:32:51.880 --> 1:32:54.719 Yeah, it's like, I mean it was worth it because 1:32:54.840 --> 1:32:57.400 I love the role of Camille and I love that 1:32:57.520 --> 1:33:00.960 episode and it was so special. But yeah, they'll tell 1:33:01.000 --> 1:33:07.640 you Peter Liedo ned Alita, you know sometimes so he 1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:13.240 and Neil Bayer and all those guys and Jonathan's jazz. Yeah, 1:33:13.280 --> 1:33:15.960 I would go in every year for seven and a 1:33:16.000 --> 1:33:18.439 half years, and I just I couldn't get it until 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:18.920 I could. 1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:21.200 Well, it wasn't that you couldn't It was you were 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:24.440 waiting for the right one, right, Yes, waiting. 1:33:24.080 --> 1:33:27.400 For the right one. It was a long, long journey. 1:33:27.479 --> 1:33:29.679 But I really do think it was worth it because 1:33:29.680 --> 1:33:31.639 had I gotten any of those other roles, I don't 1:33:31.680 --> 1:33:35.559 know that it had. Like that episode was so a 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:36.840 really special episode. 1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.480 So yeah, it's crazy. 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:43.640 Your character is like a genius hacker with a vendetta. 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:46.240 I'm like, this is the girl with the dragon tattoo 1:33:46.400 --> 1:33:48.880 on SVU. 1:33:48.479 --> 1:33:51.640 Which is so funny because your producer just had to 1:33:51.680 --> 1:33:54.360 help me do like every small technical thing to just 1:33:54.439 --> 1:33:55.439 get out of the zoom. 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:56.840 He had to like. 1:33:56.840 --> 1:34:00.880 Help me write my name. It's just so funny that 1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:04.280 the technological thing is so far. 1:34:04.080 --> 1:34:06.600 From shows how good the acting was. 1:34:09.760 --> 1:34:14.000 Were you able to have fun shooting even though it's 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:19.040 such an intense part or was it like serious hard work, 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:21.360 which also I guess can be fun. 1:34:21.960 --> 1:34:24.920 Yeah, I mean, I would say because also again it 1:34:25.000 --> 1:34:29.640 was my first big role. I was very very focused 1:34:29.960 --> 1:34:34.960 and not wanting to disappoint anyone and wanting to do 1:34:35.040 --> 1:34:38.400 my best. So I was really really kind of nose 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:41.559 to the grindstone, and you know, there were some you know, 1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:44.639 everyone was so nice there, so like definitely there were 1:34:44.680 --> 1:34:48.880 moments of laughter, but I wanted to make sure I 1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:52.240 really kind of stayed in the zone and told the 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:57.360 story and just really didn't let anyone down. Let can 1:34:57.400 --> 1:35:01.040 you all down, let you know, the writers. 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:03.960 Or anybody, so totally well, you didn't. 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:06.000 It was It's real like I remember that, like I 1:35:06.040 --> 1:35:08.240 always remember your face from this. You know, there are 1:35:08.280 --> 1:35:10.200 five hundred episodes and we've seen all of the many 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:12.719 times but like I always just like remember your face 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:15.880 in the courtroom, Like I always remember you from this episode. 1:35:16.439 --> 1:35:19.559 So a very important question about the craft is that 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:21.800 you busting out of that box in the episode? 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:23.280 Is that you coming out of it? 1:35:23.280 --> 1:35:23.960 It really is. 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:26.240 Yeah, I love it. 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:28.800 I was like, is that a double because like your 1:35:28.840 --> 1:35:30.800 face is hidden, So I was like, maybe it's a 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:33.080 body double or whatever or a stunt person. 1:35:33.680 --> 1:35:35.800 No, and so they like to put you in a box. 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:37.120 And they were like, Okay, on the count of three, 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:38.040 get out of the box. 1:35:38.240 --> 1:35:41.599 I love this, And I had like an actual which 1:35:41.760 --> 1:35:43.200 you know, it's funny. I don't know because you know 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:45.920 the times they are changing, you know, I don't know 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:48.040 that I would be given this now, But I had 1:35:48.080 --> 1:35:52.240 an actual weapon in my hand in that box. It 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:55.960 was like partially a box cutter and partially like a 1:35:56.000 --> 1:36:01.720 pocket knife or something. And so Needlelito was sitting right 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:05.120 outside of the box and they would do a countdown. 1:36:05.960 --> 1:36:08.040 I would like, burst out of the box. 1:36:08.520 --> 1:36:10.559 How many boxes did you guys go through? 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:15.519 You know, I don't remember that part, but. 1:36:15.520 --> 1:36:17.120 If they had a lot of boxes on. 1:36:17.120 --> 1:36:20.639 Deck, you know they I think they had it sort 1:36:20.640 --> 1:36:24.000 of like perforated inside so I knew what to like 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:25.800 a cut through you could. 1:36:25.520 --> 1:36:27.720 Like put yeah, maybe they put it back together a 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:28.599 little bit every time. 1:36:29.200 --> 1:36:31.880 Yeah, it was it was funny. That was That was 1:36:31.920 --> 1:36:32.320 the fun. 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:35.920 And so when you were when they caught you, like, 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:39.479 you know, when Stabler is in that chair spins around, 1:36:39.520 --> 1:36:41.800 were you were you holding the real weapon there too? 1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:44.360 No, I was holding like a needle. 1:36:44.760 --> 1:36:47.439 Oh yeah it was the needle to Yeah it. 1:36:47.400 --> 1:36:50.439 Was a needle, but yeah, I don't I'm pretty sure 1:36:50.520 --> 1:36:53.880 I think it was a real needle. I feel like 1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:56.160 I would have been told, like, you're holding a real needle, 1:36:56.680 --> 1:36:59.639 but yeah, it was a needle. And then and then 1:37:00.280 --> 1:37:01.840 Maloney had he had the gun. 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:05.960 Yeah wow, Yeah, how was working with him? 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:07.439 How was working with Chris Maloney? 1:37:07.880 --> 1:37:08.200 Oh? 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:12.080 He was so so nice and both of them. I mean, 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:16.600 I have a couple of wonderful story moments with Marishka 1:37:16.640 --> 1:37:21.320 and I just even to this day, I remember how 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:25.000 generous they were and how like genuinely they were not 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:27.559 only supportive, but really you could feel that they wanted 1:37:27.600 --> 1:37:31.280 me to do well. And I remember when we finished 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:37.080 that scene, Marishka said, you made it sing, you know, 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:41.240 And they were just so like so many years later, 1:37:41.280 --> 1:37:44.080 I just still it still brings a smile to my face, 1:37:44.080 --> 1:37:48.559 and I think about how how just authentically nice they 1:37:48.600 --> 1:37:49.439 both were to me. 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:53.760 So that would you be open to sharing some of 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:56.160 your stories that you remember? 1:37:56.920 --> 1:37:59.400 Oh sure, well that was one of them. They're not 1:37:59.439 --> 1:38:03.800 they're not too extravagant. But I remember when I did 1:38:03.840 --> 1:38:09.600 the scene, you know, the very big monologue where I 1:38:09.680 --> 1:38:13.200 confess to what happened to me and yeah, you know 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:16.400 why I did what I did. So the night before 1:38:16.560 --> 1:38:19.640 we were shooting, and it's so nice. Now, I was 1:38:19.680 --> 1:38:22.720 a stranger to Marishka, like she didn't know me, she 1:38:22.760 --> 1:38:25.800 was never going to see me again, and she pulled 1:38:25.840 --> 1:38:28.720 me aside and she asked me if I wanted to 1:38:28.760 --> 1:38:31.799 come to her home that night that she was hosting 1:38:31.840 --> 1:38:36.200 a benefit gala at her home. And I was like, 1:38:37.320 --> 1:38:43.040 oh my gosh, what Like it was so just I 1:38:43.080 --> 1:38:46.519 don't know, she's a big star and I'm just like this, 1:38:47.240 --> 1:38:51.080 you know, kid, trying to like not mess up my 1:38:52.160 --> 1:38:55.360 first big TV role. And I was so grateful. I 1:38:55.400 --> 1:38:58.559 actually turned her down because I had my big monologue 1:38:58.560 --> 1:39:01.880 the next day and I was a read that oh gosh, 1:39:01.920 --> 1:39:03.960 like if I don't work on it, the night before 1:39:04.120 --> 1:39:07.200 and if I'm like out, oh. 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:11.679 My gosh, the dedication, I cannot even I would be like, I'm. 1:39:11.439 --> 1:39:16.519 There, what's the dress code? I was just like, when 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:18.040 I get it, you don't want to like be. 1:39:18.120 --> 1:39:19.559 Out with the star of the show and then the 1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:22.439 next day be bumbling over your monologue Like that would 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:23.520 be Yeah. 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:26.080 I just thought because the monologue was so big and 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:28.640 so important to the episode, it was really like the 1:39:28.640 --> 1:39:32.240 clincher of the whole story, and I just wanted to 1:39:32.280 --> 1:39:36.280 be I think I had to know within myself, like 1:39:37.000 --> 1:39:39.400 if I messed up, at least I know I stayed 1:39:39.439 --> 1:39:41.200 home and like worked on it. But I'm. 1:39:42.640 --> 1:39:43.559 How'd she take it? 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:46.960 Oh? She was lovely and she understood because she knew 1:39:47.000 --> 1:39:48.479 like what I had to do the next day. And 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:51.200 it was also first thing in the morning. It was 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:55.840 like the first scene up, so she completely understood. And 1:39:55.880 --> 1:39:59.559 then when we sat down to do that scene, and 1:39:59.640 --> 1:40:02.639 you could just feel the like I just still remember 1:40:02.680 --> 1:40:05.280 the feeling of the air in the room, you know, 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:11.280 because the content was so unimaginable, you know. And I 1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:14.640 remember that she said to me, this scene belongs to 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:18.000 you kids. She's like, whatever you need, you tell me. 1:40:19.439 --> 1:40:23.320 And it was such like I in many ways, I 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:26.000 credit anything I was able to do on that episode 1:40:26.040 --> 1:40:30.759 to her and to everyone around me, because how helpful 1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:33.519 is that to be having the big star of the 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:37.880 show say that to you right before you have to 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:42.839 deliver a model like that, you know, And I always 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:46.680 always remembered it was so she was just so like 1:40:46.840 --> 1:40:51.719 truly kind, and I felt, oh, she really I'm okay, 1:40:51.840 --> 1:40:53.840 like I can do this. I mean I didn't say 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:58.519 anything like to even elicit her saying that. I was 1:40:58.560 --> 1:41:00.840 just sitting there like waiting for them to like set 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:03.439 up the cameras, you know, but it was so so 1:41:04.560 --> 1:41:08.840 nice and yeah, so if there is anything about that 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:11.840 that that worked out well, it was probably because she 1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:15.280 made me feel you know. 1:41:15.520 --> 1:41:15.760 Yeah. 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:18.240 We just hear that so much from like everybody we 1:41:18.280 --> 1:41:20.839 talked to on this podcast that I feel like it's 1:41:20.920 --> 1:41:24.439 it's a really a huge contributor to why the show 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:26.840 is successful, as she makes all the guest stars feel 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:31.600 so so like at home that everybody delivers these amazing performances. 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:34.040 You know, it's like and she doesn't have to do that, 1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:35.360 you know, she. 1:41:36.840 --> 1:41:39.760 Really doesn't, Like I was. I was just sitting there, 1:41:39.800 --> 1:41:41.880 you know, they they're setting up the lighting and the 1:41:41.880 --> 1:41:44.559 camera and they're kind of marking and she didn't have 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:50.280 to say anything, but she she did, and I feel like, 1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:55.160 you know, it really set the tone and probably made 1:41:55.160 --> 1:41:59.080 me feel like I could, you know, go for it. 1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:03.719 And yeah, and I never forgot that because you always 1:42:03.760 --> 1:42:09.800 remember the kindness, like you know I do. Anyway. 1:42:10.880 --> 1:42:15.360 Yeah, so, and how were the courtroom scenes? That's exactly 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:17.000 what I was going to say. Yeah, I know it 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.120 was just like that courtroom scene. You got to have 1:42:19.520 --> 1:42:21.439 an outburst. The judge yelled at you. 1:42:21.560 --> 1:42:24.679 I mean that was great, a great scene. 1:42:25.240 --> 1:42:26.599 I know the judge was really scared. 1:42:26.720 --> 1:42:28.000 Camille meets her daughter. 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:32.120 Yeah, wasn't she the most beautiful little girl you've ever 1:42:32.160 --> 1:42:33.000 seen in your life? 1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:37.120 So beautiful? But I looked her up. She's working, she's like. 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:40.120 She was a ladybird because yeah, yeah, when I was rewatching, 1:42:40.160 --> 1:42:40.599 I was like. 1:42:40.560 --> 1:42:44.639 I know this girl. Yeah she's a beauty. She's Israeli. 1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:49.640 Yeah, it's beautiful and she's so talented. Yeah the courtroom 1:42:50.439 --> 1:42:54.240 there's two things. One I remember learning. So I know 1:42:54.280 --> 1:42:56.040 I said a couple of times that I was so 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:59.439 new still in my career and I was learning just 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:04.360 how things go. And so they were doing Kevin Alejandro's coverage. 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:08.000 So Kevin is the one who it was actually him, 1:43:08.840 --> 1:43:15.080 he who impregnated me during the right during it he 1:43:15.280 --> 1:43:17.680 so it was our child. And when he was on 1:43:17.720 --> 1:43:23.920 the stand, the camera was like not even remotely, when 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:26.360 I tell you, it was fully on Kevin. Like, I 1:43:26.400 --> 1:43:29.360 don't know what I was thinking, but for some reason, 1:43:29.800 --> 1:43:32.640 I thought I had to be at my fullest emotional 1:43:34.000 --> 1:43:37.200 in that scene. So I was doing all of my 1:43:39.479 --> 1:43:42.160 lines and everything as if the camera was on me, 1:43:42.680 --> 1:43:45.000 which you don't have to be at full emotion when 1:43:45.000 --> 1:43:48.320 the camera's not on you. And I'm like weeping for 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:53.080 hours and hours and the camera was only on Kevin. 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:56.639 Wait, but how do you even weep for hours? Not 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:59.200 to change the subject fully, but like how do you 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:00.000 do it for hours? 1:44:00.920 --> 1:44:04.519 Well? You kind of you have to. And I think 1:44:04.600 --> 1:44:09.160 if if you lose yourself in the character, I mean, 1:44:09.439 --> 1:44:14.640 I bet you Kumille weeped for years years. Ours is 1:44:14.680 --> 1:44:15.519 probably nothing. 1:44:16.080 --> 1:44:18.320 So did anyone say anything to you as you were 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:19.559 weeping off camera? 1:44:20.120 --> 1:44:22.920 No, Kevin, Elijandra was just like thank you so much, 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:25.640 like you really, you know, because I didn't know that 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:29.760 I could like just do the same but not have to. 1:44:31.400 --> 1:44:33.120 But in a way, I was glad because if it 1:44:33.200 --> 1:44:36.120 helped Kevin, that is great. Like, in a way, I'm 1:44:36.160 --> 1:44:39.160 kind of glad that I didn't even know, because you know, 1:44:39.160 --> 1:44:40.800 it allows you to like save it for when the 1:44:40.840 --> 1:44:46.400 camera turns around or something. But yeah, that was I 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:49.920 learned about when the camera is completely facing another direction, 1:44:51.120 --> 1:44:51.840 it's not on you. 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:54.800 But now you know, now you know. 1:44:55.640 --> 1:44:56.000 Yeah. 1:44:56.439 --> 1:45:00.920 This other thing I remembered was when they take Kevin out, 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:04.800 when he starts screaming and he confesses, like we did it, 1:45:04.880 --> 1:45:09.720 we did it. He said there was something that was 1:45:09.760 --> 1:45:12.240 not in the script, and he said, I'm sorry, Camille, 1:45:12.320 --> 1:45:16.559 I'm so sorry. And it like my heart broke into 1:45:16.600 --> 1:45:20.400 a million pieces because it wasn't in the script. But 1:45:20.479 --> 1:45:23.800 he was so good and he was so genuine in 1:45:23.880 --> 1:45:28.760 his commitment to the character or whatever his choices were. 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.920 That it was. That moment was I thought was amazing 1:45:32.960 --> 1:45:34.439 because he it wasn't even in there. 1:45:35.080 --> 1:45:36.560 Did you watch the episode? 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:38.679 I did watch the episode when. 1:45:38.560 --> 1:45:41.519 It came out, Like, like, were you like friends, family 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:42.000 come over? 1:45:42.160 --> 1:45:44.000 Were you like I have to watch this by myself? 1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:48.400 I mean I went to a friend's house but I 1:45:48.479 --> 1:45:52.439 remember thinking like, oh, I didn't do this, This didn't 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:55.639 like I remember not you know, kind of doing that 1:45:55.680 --> 1:45:59.680 thing of where you you know. But then later I 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:03.040 had seen it you know again like over the years, 1:46:03.080 --> 1:46:07.720 and you know, I'm really happy with it, and I 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:11.559 always am probably going to think it's a special episode. 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:14.360 I just felt Also it was written, you know, Chris 1:46:14.400 --> 1:46:18.240 Broncato was the writer, and it was written so deeply, 1:46:18.439 --> 1:46:21.759 like so it just stood out to me as almost 1:46:21.800 --> 1:46:25.840 something that would be like on streaming for cable, you know, 1:46:25.960 --> 1:46:28.840 it was it was really I don't know, maybe I'm 1:46:28.880 --> 1:46:30.120 biased because. 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:30.920 I got to be in it. 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:31.479 I don't know. 1:46:32.439 --> 1:46:34.360 Do you get texts because you know, as the beew 1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:37.200 reruns all the time, Like, do you get hollered at 1:46:37.520 --> 1:46:38.640 kind of sporadically? 1:46:39.240 --> 1:46:42.040 I do. It's like it's like the only thing people 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:43.800 have like pretty much ever seen me. 1:46:46.040 --> 1:46:49.800 Well speaking, yeah, like other stuff, Well, you've done like 1:46:49.880 --> 1:46:52.800 a lot of like other procedurals and stuff, right, You've 1:46:52.840 --> 1:46:56.440 done like Chicago at like a different procedurals. 1:46:56.560 --> 1:46:57.679 Well we had a fun game. 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:02.439 Yeah, all you needed help Grey's Anatomy or Chicago Med. 1:47:02.760 --> 1:47:04.479 Which doctors would you want? 1:47:05.479 --> 1:47:09.559 Oh? Probably Grey's Anatomy. I mean, it's a hard decision. 1:47:09.680 --> 1:47:14.760 They were both great, but yeah, I think Gray's Anatomics. 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:16.719 Well I think I got my life saved on both. 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:19.320 Oh well that's good. 1:47:19.479 --> 1:47:24.679 Well yeah, so can you talk to us about ren Field. 1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:27.320 That's like this hot new movie that's coming out, Like, 1:47:27.400 --> 1:47:30.240 my husband is a big Dracula guy, so excited to 1:47:30.280 --> 1:47:33.200 see it. And you're I think you're Are you in 1:47:33.200 --> 1:47:35.080 a scene with my friend Brandon Scott Jones. 1:47:35.880 --> 1:47:39.240 I am in several scenes with Brandon Boas. 1:47:40.120 --> 1:47:44.080 Yeah, the whole cast seems so fun. Tell us about it. 1:47:44.680 --> 1:47:47.320 Yeah, it's a great cast. I mean I probably laughed 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:50.679 more on that set than ever, like in any job. 1:47:50.720 --> 1:47:54.320 I mean, it was just so everybody was really funny 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:58.719 and fun and it was just a good vibe and 1:47:59.160 --> 1:48:02.519 a lot of just like really silly people who just 1:48:02.640 --> 1:48:05.519 like And we shot overnight most of the time, so 1:48:05.600 --> 1:48:10.360 there was some like delirium, but like overnight funny where 1:48:10.479 --> 1:48:13.679 you're so tired, and I mean, I hope, I hope 1:48:13.680 --> 1:48:17.400 it turns out great. Everything I saw was you know, 1:48:17.600 --> 1:48:22.200 just like really strong actors. And I've done adr a 1:48:22.200 --> 1:48:24.240 few times, like I you know, just did it a 1:48:24.240 --> 1:48:26.120 couple of weeks ago again, and so I've seen a 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:27.160 little bit of it. 1:48:28.040 --> 1:48:30.200 And it looks what is it coming out? Do you know? 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:33.600 Yes? It comes out on April fourteenth. 1:48:33.800 --> 1:48:37.760 Everybody goes see Renfield. I can't wait to see you 1:48:37.840 --> 1:48:40.920 in it. How exciting? And who do you play? 1:48:40.920 --> 1:48:41.000 Like? 1:48:41.040 --> 1:48:43.599 What do you play? Are you spooky? 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:48.000 I don't know per universal what I'm allowed to say, 1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:51.240 but I know what's been publicly stated, which is that. 1:48:51.320 --> 1:48:54.400 So my character's name is Caitlin, and I play a 1:48:54.520 --> 1:48:59.920 member of a support group for people in abusive relationships. Okay, wow, 1:49:00.560 --> 1:49:02.479 I probably can't elaborate. 1:49:02.680 --> 1:49:05.400 Don't tell us anymore. But I have to get to 1:49:05.439 --> 1:49:06.920 go to the premiere and have fun. 1:49:07.000 --> 1:49:10.240 And you can bring in some of your SVU, your 1:49:10.360 --> 1:49:13.840 SVU skills into that role. I'm sure you did. Thank 1:49:13.880 --> 1:49:16.240 you so much for taking the time to talk to us. 1:49:16.560 --> 1:49:17.439 Oh, thank you. 1:49:21.800 --> 1:49:23.559 She was so nice. I can't believe this is coming 1:49:23.600 --> 1:49:23.920 out so. 1:49:23.880 --> 1:49:25.280 Close to her movie. Everybody. 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.839 I know my husband's definitely going to go see Renfield. 1:49:28.880 --> 1:49:30.920 I think it's gonna be too bloody for me. Even 1:49:31.040 --> 1:49:33.080 what we do in the shadows, like fake bloody, is 1:49:33.120 --> 1:49:33.960 like too gross for me. 1:49:34.200 --> 1:49:35.080 Oh, I forgot to tell you. 1:49:35.160 --> 1:49:38.200 I watched M threegan in first class and I loved it. 1:49:38.200 --> 1:49:41.240 It's funny, it's great. I watched it again. It was great. 1:49:41.640 --> 1:49:42.559 It was really fun. 1:49:43.520 --> 1:49:47.000 Wait, Casey, but you know what, her best friend Micah 1:49:47.040 --> 1:49:48.479 is also a mean girl. 1:49:48.640 --> 1:49:49.599 She's also evil. 1:49:49.760 --> 1:49:51.040 Yes, she also just. 1:49:51.000 --> 1:49:53.360 Wants to be on TV and didn't like that guy 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:56.120 at all and is trying to steal another girl's man. 1:49:56.640 --> 1:49:57.320 This is our. 1:49:57.200 --> 1:49:59.679 Post mortem for the episode as more Love is Blind. 1:49:59.760 --> 1:50:01.920 We just can't stop talking about it. 1:50:02.240 --> 1:50:05.120 Well, it's exciting for Casey and I to connect. Yeah, 1:50:05.280 --> 1:50:06.320 Casey's the co host. 1:50:06.439 --> 1:50:08.439 There should be a time where, like I can't make 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:10.960 it and you guys, instead of rescheduling, it's just Lisa 1:50:11.000 --> 1:50:14.479 and Casey host together. That would be so funny. Anyway, 1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:17.640 this episode is wild. I consider this like a classic one. 1:50:17.680 --> 1:50:21.160 I always remember the like a ruiner like branding all 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:25.479 that stuff in this episode. So but I'm also glad 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:29.160 that there's weird little bit of a happy ending who buys. 1:50:28.960 --> 1:50:31.680 Vacuums, you know what I mean. It's like get a 1:50:31.760 --> 1:50:33.080 Dice Center bus. 1:50:35.520 --> 1:50:38.160 But it's from the episodes older so like, I guess, 1:50:38.439 --> 1:50:40.759 but why does this building thing someone's getting a vacuum. 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:45.680 I guess it's different people, different buildings, but yeah, I 1:50:45.760 --> 1:50:46.839 get back attack. 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:52.240 It's so funny. It's so the best vacuum you can buy. 1:50:53.320 --> 1:50:56.160 Yeah, and I guess if you guys are I think 1:50:56.200 --> 1:50:58.360 we need to stop with all the guys that are 1:50:58.400 --> 1:51:00.000 just like helping out while their friends. 1:51:00.160 --> 1:51:02.519 Right, people, you guys need to stop. You're just as guilty. 1:51:02.600 --> 1:51:05.559 You all need to fucking step up and say let's 1:51:05.600 --> 1:51:08.439 not do this and maybe use some physical force to 1:51:08.479 --> 1:51:13.400 stop this from happening. Because that's both stories, the episode 1:51:13.400 --> 1:51:19.160 and the true But fuck man, the real story was 1:51:19.240 --> 1:51:24.599 so sad. Anyway, should we move on to this week's 1:51:24.680 --> 1:51:25.720 what would Sister Peg do? 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:29.639 A real quick post mortem? This is our quickest ever. 1:51:30.080 --> 1:51:32.439 I know this is a fast, little, fast, little one, 1:51:32.479 --> 1:51:34.840 but who knows how long our episode was. 1:51:35.080 --> 1:51:37.639 Also, if you have icy blue eyes, be careful where 1:51:37.720 --> 1:51:41.200 you jiz, because an icy blue eyed daughter will come out, yes, 1:51:41.640 --> 1:51:42.760 out your ass, and. 1:51:42.720 --> 1:51:45.120 They don't even need DNA, they just match those eyes. 1:51:46.520 --> 1:51:48.640 So let's move on to what would mister Peg Do? 1:51:49.080 --> 1:51:52.040 This is our weekly segment where we point you guys 1:51:52.040 --> 1:51:54.240 to a resource that can help flesh out a little 1:51:54.280 --> 1:51:56.879 bit more of what we talked about in today's episode, 1:51:56.880 --> 1:52:00.439 But today I wanted to just direct you guy to 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:02.640 the Fresh Air Fund, which is the camp that the 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:04.840 camp that Camille went to is based on. Obviously what 1:52:04.880 --> 1:52:07.200 happened to her was not good at that camp, but 1:52:07.760 --> 1:52:12.679 in real life, the Fresh Air Fund is a life changing, 1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:15.599 free summer experience. It was founded in eighteen seventy seven. 1:52:16.120 --> 1:52:18.519 It's the Sleepwoy camps or in New York's Mid Hudson 1:52:18.800 --> 1:52:21.240 Valley and they serve eight to fifteen year olds that 1:52:21.240 --> 1:52:23.920 attend school in New York City. And as you all know, 1:52:24.040 --> 1:52:27.679 camp is huge for me, and it's a hugely life 1:52:27.760 --> 1:52:31.360 changing and transformative experience, and I just love that this 1:52:31.520 --> 1:52:35.280 organization helps give that to kids who live in this 1:52:35.560 --> 1:52:38.200 major urban area and might not otherwise have the chance. 1:52:38.240 --> 1:52:40.519 So if you'd like to donate or learn more about it, 1:52:40.840 --> 1:52:44.639 go to fresh air dot org. And that's fresh air 1:52:45.080 --> 1:52:49.560 dot org. And that will as always be on our highlights. 1:52:50.040 --> 1:52:52.200 It will be in our stories on the day of 1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:53.880 the show release, and then it will be in our 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:55.880 WWSPD two highlights. 1:52:56.200 --> 1:52:59.400 Thank you so much with that, we know how much 1:52:59.439 --> 1:53:00.120 you love camp. 1:53:01.120 --> 1:53:04.479 And next week we will be doing Inheritance and that's 1:53:04.479 --> 1:53:09.960 season three, episode eight, So rewind your times and hit up. 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:14.120 You're Hulu and Peacock, and thank you so much for listening. 1:53:14.200 --> 1:53:27.280 We appreciate and are obsessed with all of you. 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