1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Everybody, welcome to move the sticks. It's Daniel Jeremiah and 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and this is Sae Kwon Barkley three sixty. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: Do you think you're the best player in this draft? 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: No doubt. We'll give it a Parkley lof side of 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: course sideline for there girls, Parkleyla thirty of course sideline 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: twenty fifth tay time five touchdown s Klon Barkley on 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: exclamation point out of the cave for the dylon. Goodbye, 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: he is gone and what style? Sa Kwon Barkley goes 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: over one thus of yards of the season touch stuff, 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: Mr All like fresh today, lights it up? A favorite 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: stay after night. Oh, this is the big one, sa 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley. I've been looking forward to this one, Buck. 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a talented player of prospect, maybe the 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: best prospect in the draft. Live. Yeah, look easy, easy 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: to fall in love with when you watch se Kwon Barkley. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: And we're gonna get a chance to do a deep 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: dive here, Buck. For those that don't know, explain what 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: the three sixty series is all about. It's an entire 19 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: podcast dedicated to running back prospects Kwon Barkley. We break 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: down his game potential and NFL team fits. We interview 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: some of the coaches who know him best, including his 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: high school coach, Penn State head coach James Franklin, and 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: his teammate at Penn State, tight end Mike just say. Yeah, 24 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: we have got a lot of ground to cover, a 25 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: lot of interviews to get to. But Buck, before we 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: do that, why don't we break down a little bit 27 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: of se Kwon Barkley our evaluation of him. I'll give 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: you the floor first here, DZ. Quite simply, sa Kwon 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: Barkley is a solar system player, meaning that when you 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: have a player of dis caliber, everything on offense revolves 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: around him. He elevates the play off those around him 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: with his mere presence, and then when he has the 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: ball in his hands, he makes it happen. Outstanding runner, 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: terrific receiver, can give you some production in the return game. 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: He is a can't miss prospect at the running back position. 36 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: He should dominate the NFL level. Yeah, I love what 37 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: he can give you in the past game watching him 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: run round. You can split him out in the slot, 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: you can split him out wide. He gives you all 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: that versatility. I've said, Look, everything that Alvica America can 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: do in the passing game, I think sa Kwon Barkley 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 1: can do and he does it in a two plus 43 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: pound package. Uh. You know, to me, when I look 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: at comparisons, I probably go more with a guy like 45 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: Todd Gurley when he was coming out of Georgia. Even 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: saw both those guys return kicks and what they bring 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: to the table in that regard. If I want to 48 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: say the concern and I look, I think he's the 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: best player in this draft class. But there is no 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: such thing as a perfect prospect. The one concerned buck 51 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: is just getting muddy, getting dirty, something, grind out some 52 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: of those tough yards. Everybody's talked about the fact he 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: has a lot of negative plays, a lot of negative runs, um. 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: But to me, just being able to stick your head 55 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: down and grind out those two or three tough yards 56 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: that has been the one major criticism of se Kwon 57 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: Barkley is a major criticism. I did talk to an 58 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: NFC personnel directly said I worry about his creativity between 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: the tackles. Does he have enough slipping slide to maneuver 60 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: in there? And is he tough enough that when he 61 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: needs to kind of stick it up in there, that 62 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: he's physical enough to go and get it. Those are 63 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the things that you allude to. The interesting part about him, 64 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: he is so good and so many other areas, whether 65 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: it's pass catching, run blocking, I mean pass blocking, any 66 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: anything that you're asking to do. He really can can 67 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: fit the bill. I think he's a terrific pro I 68 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: don't see a lot of downside of taking a sea 69 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley wherever you take him to the top of 70 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, I have him as as the 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: number one player in this draft. Ward where do you 72 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: have him? Buck? Oh, he's number one. For me, he's 73 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: number one, and that's uncommon for me to put a 74 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: running back at the top of the charts. But when 75 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: you have a guy that really doesn't have many flaws, 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: he deserves to be the top prospect. Everybody we've talked 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: to about se Kwon Barkley, the reviews are just glowing. 78 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: It's almost like it's too good to be true. But 79 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: we keep fact checking this Buck and the more people 80 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: we talked to and getting second, third, fourth, fifth opinions 81 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: around that program, anybody that's known him, it all comes 82 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: back positive and you do get a chance to learn 83 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: a lot about se Kwon Barkley, and that's what we're 84 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: trying to do here on this three sixty episode. Let 85 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: you guys in on what we've been hearing for a 86 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: long time about se Kwon and what he brings to 87 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: the table. And that gets us to our first interview 88 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: Buck and this is a fascinating conversation with Brian Gilbert, 89 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: the se Kwon Barkley's high school coach at Whitehall High 90 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: School in Pennsylvania. Coach, thanks so much for taking the 91 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: time to visit with us today. My pleasure. Guys, thanks 92 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I would imagine ed Whitehall High School, 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: you haven't seen many guys like se Kwon Barkley rolled 94 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: through their coach. I think the same could be said 95 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: for just about any high school coach in the country. 96 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: Just how early on did you know you had a 97 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: special talent? Well, he was probably a little bit different 98 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: than a lot of the uh, you know, top NFL 99 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: draft picks. He uh, he was a kind of a 100 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: late bloomer. Actually, you know, he he got his chance 101 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: towards the end of his sophomore year. Um as we 102 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: got into the playoff run. The senior who was a 103 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: starter ahead of him got hurt, se Kwan got his chance, 104 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: and you know, never looked back from there. But you know, 105 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of a great story because he was 106 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: under sized, believe it or not, was strength and and 107 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: and size body weight throughout his middle school and freshman years, 108 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: and his hard work and dedication the weight room is 109 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: really why he's the guy he is today. Um. But 110 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: now he's the once in a lifetime, you know player 111 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: to coach, that's for sure. Hey, coach expanded a little 112 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: bit on that because naturally, when you talk about a 113 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: guy being the best player in a draft, you think 114 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: that he was a star at the entire time, But 115 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: discuss how he worked to put himself in a position 116 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: to supplant the guy that was playing ahead of him 117 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: and then continue to grow on that. Yeah. Absolutely. I 118 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: mean there was a time in his life middle school, 119 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: eighth grade and ninth grade year he wasn't gonna play football. 120 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget situation we had sophomore year. Got 121 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: a letter from Villanova University, UM asking you know, for 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: se Kwan to go to a camp, and I sat 123 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: down with him and he said, I, Coach, I don't 124 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: think college football is for me. Luckily we were able 125 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: to talk him out of that. And his hard work 126 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: in the weight room and and you know, on the 127 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: field and things like that just uh really is the 128 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: reason why he's the player he is today. Uh. And 129 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: I can I can go into numerous, you know, specific 130 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: situations where you know there's obstacles that he had to 131 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: overcome to get there. But you know, it's it's a 132 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: great story because you know, nothing was ever given to him. Um. 133 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like he had a football family 134 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: at home that you know, brothers, uncle's, cousins played football. 135 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: It was a boxing family. So you know, he did 136 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: a the old fashioned way. He earned every everything he's gotten. Well, 137 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: you don't have a boxing history like he does in 138 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: that family without having some toughness kind of handed down 139 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: to you. Is there an example or a specific story 140 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: where his his toughness or his grit or his determination 141 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: was on full display you can share with us. Yeah, 142 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: there's there's one particular game his junior year. We went 143 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: into halftime down twenty eight nothing, and uh, I'll never forget. 144 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: I was just about to come in and rip the 145 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 1: team and and try to get him back on track, 146 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: and he said, let me talk to him and he said, hey, guys. 147 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: He goes, we're not losing this game. And he and 148 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, the whole team kind of looked him, like, 149 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: we're down twenty eight nothing at halftime, what are you 150 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: talking about. He's like, we will not lose this game. 151 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: He goes, just jump on my back and you guys 152 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: do your part. And uh, we went out there and 153 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: the one play that you know, I I like to 154 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: talk about. He wasn't much of a punt returner. He didn't. 155 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: He didn't really like you know, but if I didn't 156 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: put him back there, that I probably would have been 157 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: ran out of town. But so we put him back there. 158 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: And usually he didn't catch the ball in the air. 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: He liked it when it hit the ground, let it roll. 160 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: So they punted from their twenty, went to about our twenty, 161 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: rolled to about the ten, and at this time their 162 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: whole punt team was down there. He ended up picking 163 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: it up seven guys surrounding in him. He made those 164 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: first seven miss, went down our sidelines, got a couple 165 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: of blocks, cut back across the field, stopped, like literally stopped. 166 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Three guys went flying by him, and then went went again. 167 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: And and that was a winning touchdown. We ended up 168 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: winning thirty and uh, it's you know, it's just something 169 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: that I'll never forget because at that point that from 170 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: that point on, you kind of knew he was going 171 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: to be really special. Coach. Everything that you've talked about 172 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: has been about his work, ethic, his character, his leadership ability. 173 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: Um are those his best traits? Do his intangible qualities 174 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: exceed what he brings to the table as a player? 175 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: I think so. You know, if you talk to anybody 176 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: that was around him through his Penn State days and 177 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: and obviously his high school days, UM, it is. You 178 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: know when he comes back into town, it's just still 179 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: same same s Kwon Barkley always has. He'll he'll find 180 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: a guy on our team currently that he can grab 181 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and work with. Um. If it's not his brother, it's 182 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: other players that we have. UM. You know, same thing 183 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: at Penn State. You know he talked to coach Off, 184 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: the running back coach at the time, and se Kwan 185 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: was always that guy to asked the next question, you know, 186 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: well why are we blocking it like that? You know what? 187 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: You know, what are the linebackers thinking if they're lined 188 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: up over the guards versus over the tackle, so um, 189 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: all those intangibles, you know, besides how fast and strong 190 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: and and tough he is. Um, I think that's why 191 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: he's going to be a great NFL back. What's the 192 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: What's the one thing when you watched him, not only 193 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: with you, but even watched him at Penn State, we 194 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: have a tough time trying to poke holes in him. 195 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: I mean you probably know him as as well as anybody. 196 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: What what's not perfect about se Kwon? Barkley coach? He 197 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: doesn't rest enough? He needs some rest. You know it's uh, 198 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I think you know, the day after his combine, he's 199 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: he's down in Orlando training, he comes home for uh, 200 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, a Sports Illustrated shoot uh, and and then 201 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: later that day he's in the gym working out. You know, 202 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: it's the day of his parade. The parade I think 203 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to start at twelve, and you know it 204 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: was a little late starting. And after doing a little research, 205 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: we were wondering where se Quan was. And you can 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 1: guess where he was. He was coming late because he 207 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: was at the gym, so he was he was back 208 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: home in town for a weekend. And you know, the 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: six thousand people are waiting to see him, and he 210 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: was at the gym. So it's you know, he's at 211 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: a downside. I don't know, but some somewhere along the line, 212 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to find a way to kind of 213 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: rest rest himself, rest his body. You got explain to 214 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: me this parade. Now, explain to me what. So we 215 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: had a parade in se Kwan's honor, just just for him. Yeah. 216 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,599 Speaker 1: Whitehall is a really blue collar town, great town. You know, 217 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: Matt Millen, Dan Cope and are two NFL guys from 218 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: from our town. And uh, you know, if you know 219 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: anything about those guys, I says a lot about our town. 220 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: And so they they wanted to have a parade. They 221 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: wanted to celebrate his success so far and celebrate what 222 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: he's about to achieve moving forward. Uh. No one understood 223 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: the magnitude of people that we're gonna show up. I 224 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: mean Penn State fans from all over the place, you know, Whitehall. 225 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: So we had six thousand plus UH fans there and um, 226 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: you know, one thing you'll know about se Quanto is 227 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: pretty shy. And he got up in front of all 228 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: these people and the first thing he said is he goes, 229 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous, you know, talking in front of 230 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: all those people, and uh, but very very humbling experience. Uh. 231 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: They're gonna do a bronze plaque on this big stone 232 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: that you see when you come into our doun with 233 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: his with his face on it. Um. But just a 234 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: great way to represent, you know, to to celebrate someone 235 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: that represented our town so well. You know, Coach, everything 236 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: that you said has been exemplary. UM praise, outstanding praise 237 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: on Kwan the player. If there was one thing that 238 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: we should look for him to do at the next level, 239 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: be it as a leader, be it as a worker. 240 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: What would be the thing that you expect him to 241 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: do when he goes to the National Football League. That's 242 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: hard for me to answer, but you know, I think 243 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: what I would say is, you know, when he when 244 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: he came to us as a junior after a sophomore season, 245 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 1: he wasn't a good receiver out of the backfield. His 246 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 1: hands were not that good. So he said, you need 247 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: to work on your receiving skills. And he spent all 248 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: summer and he became a great receiving running back as 249 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: we saw from Penn State. And moving forward, when he 250 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: got the Penn State. I asked the Penn State coaches, 251 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, what's he lacking? He said, Well, he's really 252 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: lacking some past protection, you know, which is hard to 253 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: duplicate in the high school level. Now you're asking a 254 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: back to protect you know, blitz and linebackers that are 255 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: two d and fifty sixty pounds. Um. So what I 256 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: could say the next level whatever the NFL team is 257 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: gonna say, And I don't know what that's gonna be. 258 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Maybe it's um knowledge of the playbook. Um, maybe it's 259 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: uh top speed. Who knows, but you watch whatever they 260 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: ask him to do, he'll master. And that's one thing 261 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: I can say about s Quan, you know, um going 262 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: into his senior year. You know, he had the offense 263 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: in high school downpath. But what he want to do 264 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: is he wanted to learn how the offensive linemen blocked 265 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: each play. And I never have and I'm not sure 266 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: I ever will have a running back in high school 267 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: want to sit down with myself and the offensive line 268 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: coaches and and and understand why they're blocking the way 269 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: they are. And um, you know, at that next level, 270 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: I can't see that stopping, you know, And it'll be 271 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: really interesting for all of us to see what these 272 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: NFL scouts and NFL running back coaches want him to 273 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: improve on. Coach, last question for me that I'm gonna 274 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: let you run. But one of the things that that 275 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: Bucky myself we do on here, we try and really 276 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: narrow things down. We do a three word evaluation. So 277 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: you can watch all the tape and study guys, see 278 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: him play live. But at the end of the day, 279 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: we try to strip it down to Okay, he is 280 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: these three things. If you're gonna give a three word 281 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: evaluation of say Kwon Barkley, what would the three words be. 282 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I'd say character, uh, size and speed. 283 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: That's a pretty good combination. Hey, coach, we know you're busy, 284 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: and we can't thank you enough for taking some time 285 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: to visit with us, and and we look forward to 286 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: following your star people as he marches on into the NFL. Alright, 287 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what happens in four point 288 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: oh because three point oh last night, I don't know 289 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: guard at number two, so'ch is not happy with that. 290 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: Everybody has something to say on mock drafts. I love it. Hey, coach, 291 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much. You have a great day. All right, 292 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: thank you, all right, take care. My favorite part of 293 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: these three six the episodes is when we get a 294 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: chance to hear from these high school coaches. Buck it 295 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: is good to talk to high school coach because they 296 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: really know how the kid grew up, They know the background, 297 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: they know the character. They were really there during the 298 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: formative years. But it's also good to talk to people 299 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: that continues to mentor them along the way. Let's hear 300 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: from James Franklin, sa Kwon Barkley's coach at Penn State. Coach. 301 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you so much for joining us. 302 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: The first question I have for is is when did 303 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: you know in the process, maybe with through recruiting or 304 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: when he got on campus with se Kwon Barkley, that 305 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: you had something special? You know? You know, when I 306 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: got the job, se Kwon was committed to Rutgers, and um, 307 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, we we identified him as a guy that 308 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: we didn't really want leaving the state. At that time, 309 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: we knew he was a good back, I was gonna 310 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: have a nice, big ten career. I wouldn't necessarily say that, 311 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: we you know, thought he was gonna be what he 312 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: is today obviously, Um, but then I will tell you this. 313 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: He committed US and then his senior year he had 314 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: a special senior year. You know, he started, uh know, 315 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: the hurdling thing that he does. Now. It's funny because 316 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: is after you graduate. He said, coach, I'm not I'm 317 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: not gonna hurdle guys anymore. Um, you know, I'm not. 318 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that anymore. I said, that doesn't 319 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: really make a whole lot of sense to me, because 320 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: in high school in the state of Pennsylvania, it's illegal, 321 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: and in college it's legal. So I'm like, it doesn't 322 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: make sense that you'd stop doing it now when when 323 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: it's actually legal, do it, you know. But he's kind 324 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: of like I describe him like, you know, Frankenstein running back. 325 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Like if you had to choose all the qualities you 326 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: were looking for to build it back, he's got him. 327 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: He's got the body type you're looking forward. It's got 328 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: the intelligence, he's got the leadership. Um, you know, he's 329 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: got the speed, to quickness to power. He can you know, 330 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: catch them all out of the backfield. I think that's 331 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: what makes him special, is the combination of traits that 332 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: he has. Not one thing that you get mesmerized about 333 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: but just a combination of all the different traits. You know, Coach, 334 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: he can be a one man show at times, his 335 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: ability to do so many things as you described, how 336 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: do you harnessed it as as a play caller? How 337 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: do you get your play caller to make sure we 338 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: want to feature si Quan and so many different facets 339 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: to really maximize his talent on the field. But I 340 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: think for us, you know, we're a true RPO team. 341 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: So you know, when he carries the ball in the 342 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: running game, he's carrying it into a pretty good look 343 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: because we're usually reading some defender, whether it's a d 344 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: N linebacker, safety, whatever it may be. UM, So that helps. 345 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: So you know, we're not like a pro style offense 346 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: that you see UM, where guys we're just gonna hand 347 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: the ball off to him and run power down people's throats. 348 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: So we've had a bunch of games where you know, 349 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily touch the ball, you know, especially as 350 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: a runner. UM. You know maybe in the first you know, 351 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: two series of the game, but we also realize that, 352 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, he's a difference maker and we need to 353 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: get the ball in his hands. So we have a 354 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: lot of different ways to do it as a receiver, 355 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: as a kickoff return guy in a traditional running game, 356 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's what also helps our 357 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: offense and helps our team is that, you know, we 358 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: can use them so many different ways. So it's hard 359 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: the game plan, you know, to completely eliminate him from 360 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: a game. You can obviously limit his impact when you're 361 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: running the one back offense that can always overload you 362 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: in the box, but you create other opportunities for us. 363 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: So that's where I would make the argument he's the 364 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: most valuable player in college football. And there's no doubt 365 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: he's the most exciting. I mean, he's made some plays. 366 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: I've been doing his twenty three years at every level 367 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: including the NFL, and he's made some plays that just 368 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, even me, my, my my mouth is wide 369 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: open watching some of the things that he's able to do. Yeah. 370 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: I had a front row sea at the Rose Bowl 371 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: last year and saw just what he was capable of. 372 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: He was outstanding and that in that football game. Coach, 373 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: everybody that I talked to that's rolled through their scouts 374 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: and different people close to the program say, as good 375 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: as this kid is on the field, uh, he's exceptional 376 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: off the field, in terms of in the locker room, 377 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: his leadership, and just personality wise, everybody raised about this kid. 378 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: Is there a story about him and you could share 379 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: with us that lets us know a little bit more 380 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: about se Kwon Barkley the kid. You know, I don't 381 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: know if I would say, you know, one specific story. 382 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of just a combination of examples of things. 383 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: You know, from a football perspective, he's never once asked 384 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: for the ball more um. You know, whenever he gets 385 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: an opportunity to praise his teammates, that that's what it's 386 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: all about. It's always about the team, not about him. UM. 387 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: In the community, he's the guy that we have to 388 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 1: pull away at the end of the game because they'll 389 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: stay out there for an hour and a half UM 390 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: after the game, signing autographs with kids and taking pictures. 391 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: You know, whenever we have any community service projects, he's 392 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: the first one in line. He just gets it. He's 393 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: a guy that's really embraced the whole collegiate experience academically, athletically, socially, spiritually, 394 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: UM and has taken advantage of all the resources and opportunities. 395 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: So you know, he's he's a special guy and I'm 396 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: really proud of him, um, in so many ways, and 397 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: and probably more so than than what he's been able 398 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: to do from a football perspective. Hey, coach, he came 399 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: up to the opening which was held at Nike Headquarters, 400 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: and he had opportunity to work out with Tom Shaw 401 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: and a bunch of great UH college athletes, and Tom 402 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: Shaw told me that he's one of the most explosive 403 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: athletes that he's ever seen in terms of his rent, 404 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: the power, his speed. Um. Talk about what you see 405 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: when he's away from the field, when he's going through 406 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: offseason workouts are in the weight room. How diligent of 407 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: work is he, What kind of special athlete is he? Well, 408 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: he sets the tone for our whole organization. I mean literally, 409 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: we stopped kind of testing him on testing day because 410 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, at some point, you know how much you're 411 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: squatting and how much your power cleaning and benching. You 412 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: know you've proven the point all right, you know we 413 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: don't need to do anymore. But he's such a competitive guy. 414 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: He gets in there and everybody's you know, Max testing 415 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: and he wants to jump in as well. But you know, um, 416 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think The biggest thing is when you 417 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: see him in person and you look at his lower 418 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: body from his waist down, it's freakish. I mean it 419 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: really is. Um, you're talking about a guy who's gonna run, 420 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: uh for three and I don't really believe four three 421 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: guys exists, but but he's gonna run for three. Um. 422 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: You know, he's one of these guys. Whatever you put 423 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: on the bar, he'll bench squat or power clean. Um. 424 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: You know, he just he's really really gifted. He really 425 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: is in so many different ways. I mean, he's throwing 426 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: a touchdown past, he's got touchdown receptions. Uh. He's a 427 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: guy that you could, you know, use like a Marshall 428 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: Falk and line him up as a wide receiver in 429 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: the slot. That's something I talked to him about for 430 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: the last two years in the summer that, you know, 431 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: something that he really needed to work on, whether we 432 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: were gonna use him at that or not, because it's 433 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: gonna be important for his future. You know, he's just 434 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: he's a he's a hard working guy who gets the 435 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: big picture and understands, you know, what we're trying to 436 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: do from a team perspective. But he also you know, 437 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: understands the impact that's gonna have on his future as well. 438 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: It's great when you talk to Coach Franklin, you can 439 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: kind of feel his energy and his enthusiasm almost when 440 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: you're not in the same room with him, you kind 441 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: of feel it come through the screen or come through 442 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: the phone line. Yes, infectious. Um. Obviously, Sa Kuon Barkley 443 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: means a lot to him, did a lot for the program. 444 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: Having watched him at the Fiesta Bowl, you saw what 445 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: Sa Kuan meant to the squad, and so James Franklin 446 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: hit the nail on the when he talks about Yeah, 447 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: he's Look, you always gonna hear coaches say nice things 448 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: about their players. That's not unusual, but when they're almost 449 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: jumping out of their seat with excitement and and telling 450 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: you how guys have been a part of really a 451 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: transformation of the program, which Sat Kwon Barkley was. He 452 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 1: was the face of this program as Penn State went 453 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: from a program in despair to all of a sudden 454 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: now national prominence. And he's he deserves a lot of 455 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: that credit. And I think you could sense that from 456 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: Coach Franklin. He appreciates not only the player that he is, 457 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: but the leader that he's been there as well, are right. 458 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: We talked to the high school coach, We've talked to 459 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: his college head coach, but now I'm looking forward to 460 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: talk into his position. Coach Bucking Charles Huff coach SA 461 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley at Penn State. He's now the assistant head 462 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: coach and running back coordinator at Mississippi State after following 463 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: their coordinator there. But he knows Sa Kwon Barkley as 464 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: well as anyone coach. How you doing today, I'm doing 465 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: a fantastic man, great day here in Starkville, Stark Vegas. 466 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: Man Stark stark Vegas. Absolutely, there you go. But we 467 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: want to go back to the Penn State though, and 468 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: talk about your guy in Sequon Barkley and and just 469 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: give us the story the first time you heard about 470 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: him and the first time you knew anything about Mr Barkley. Well, obviously, UM. 471 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: When we got the job, Derek, Coach Franklin and staff UM, 472 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: our big goal was to try and find and identify 473 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: the best players UM in the state of Pennsylvania, UM 474 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: and obviously si Quan and UM some other players in 475 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: the state or some of the highly touted guys. So 476 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: reaching out and getting some research on him and then 477 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: getting a chance to watch his film. Um, we knew 478 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: that he was a special guy. I'm not gonna say 479 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: that we knew he would be what he is today. Um, 480 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: but he did have some really good qualities, um, size, 481 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: speech strength, obviously, the things you can see on film. Um, 482 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: you could see that he was physically gifted but still 483 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: need to be developed. Um. You know, obviously his his 484 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: high school was well coached, you know, hard knows football 485 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: program there and and co play at Waite Hall High School. UM. 486 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: So just getting to know him, um, through his coaches 487 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: and his family. UM. So it was a really good, 488 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: really good experience, you know, just kind of i won't 489 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: say discovering him, but learning about who he was and coach. 490 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: So it's different to look at the guy in high 491 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: school and on film and kind of project what he 492 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: would be. What was he like when you first got 493 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: him in your room and you finally had an opportunity 494 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: to put your hands on him in terms of really 495 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: molding him and shaping him to the player that he 496 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: has become. To debt, Yeah, the one thing that separates 497 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: say Quan from a lot of players is He's very inquisitive. 498 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: He wants to know why, why why? Um? And it's 499 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: never a questioning you know your knowledge or your scheme. 500 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: He just wants to know the intricacies of every position, 501 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: every coverage. Why am I in this position? Um? And 502 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: And for him it's more of a thing to help 503 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: him understand the game of football and how he fits 504 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: into the system. Coach, I want to go back to 505 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: that that first year there and and I'm just looking 506 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: first game against Temple he gets one carry for one yard, 507 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we come back the 508 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: next week as an idiot, obviously, that's what I'm not 509 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: saying that. I'm just saying the next week he goes 510 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: twelve for a buck fifteen, and then Rutgers, who he 511 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: was committed to originally, Game three he goes twenty one 512 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: for a bucket. At what point during those first three 513 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: games did you go, WHOA, Okay, we we got something here. Well, 514 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: it actually happened UM in summer camp before the season. 515 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: We we kind of knew that Um after about three carries, 516 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: that he had something that the rest of the guys 517 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: did not. UM. We tried, as a staff two not 518 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: force feed him coach Franklin wanted us to press him 519 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: a little more. UM. We we kind of said, you know, 520 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: we wanted to kind of slow step him. UM. I 521 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: don't know if that made a difference or not. He 522 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: got in the Temple game and got one play and 523 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: got an m A simply came out. UM, that's his story. 524 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: His first play went in and went the wrong way. 525 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: As a coach took him out. But we knew in camp, 526 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: um that that he had, you know, a special gift. 527 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: And what we did not want to do as a 528 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: coaching staff is put him in in a situation where 529 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: he didn't have success and his confidence got shoke. So 530 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to try and put him in in situations 531 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: to have success, be successful. UM, things that we could 532 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: prepare him for. UM. You know, we kept him out 533 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: of a lot of third downs in the beginning. UM. 534 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, when teams were heavy blitz. You know, we 535 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: didn't play him as much, not because he wasn't ready, 536 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: but it's just different coming from high school. UM, getting 537 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: into a college football game. You know where you're reading coverages, blitzes, 538 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: UM and accounts, you know you missed your guy. The 539 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: quarterbacks probably get hit. UM. So we did that early 540 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: after the Buffalo game, we realized that we had to 541 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: speed is maturation up Um just because of his physical gift. UM. 542 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: And then from there on he took it, you know, 543 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: took the ball by the reins and kind of ran 544 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: with it. You know, be coach. One thing that is 545 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: uncommon for a college running back the se Kwan Barkley 546 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: is being able to do is he's a talented wide receiver. 547 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: How are you guys, how are you guys able to 548 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: really develop those skills and maximize what he brought to 549 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: the team as a receiver out of the backfield. Well 550 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: that that's a huge credit to him. Um. At the 551 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: end of the first year, you know, he came in 552 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: and asked me, coach, what do I need to get 553 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: better at it? Um? And one of the things we 554 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: talked about was catching the ball out of the backfield. 555 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: I think a running back that can catch the ball 556 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: out of the backfield, run with power, run with speed, 557 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: and pass block is a complete package. UM. And that 558 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: was one of the things that he concentrated on over 559 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: the summer, obviously through drills and UM jugs machines and 560 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: tennis balls and sand buckets. UM. And then he also 561 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: got with the whiteouts. UM. I think a huge part 562 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: of catching the ball out of the backfield is creating separation. 563 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: It's a little different for a running back creating separation 564 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: against a linebacker than it is a wideout creating separation 565 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: against the dB. UM. So he got with the wide 566 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 1: receivers and learn how to create space and learn how 567 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: to UM put itself in position to catches, you know, 568 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: uh with contact from the linebacker. UM. And that worked 569 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: out huge for us because that was another way for 570 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: us to get him the ball. In the season, you know, 571 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: team started to do certain things and try to take 572 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: away our ability to get him the ball, and you know, 573 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: him being able to catch the ball out of the 574 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: backfield allowed us to have another way to try to 575 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: get him the ball. Coach, I was there for that 576 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: epic Rose Bowl with you guys in in usc And, 577 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: and what a fun game that was to watch. And 578 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Sakwan just put on a show in that one for 579 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: a buck ninety four, a couple of touchdowns, had five 580 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: catches another touchdown through the year. One of the best 581 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: individual performances I've ever seen. Can you kind of take 582 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: us behind the curtain there? Uh? In terms of the 583 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: run up to the game and what the game plan 584 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: was for him, and is there any story you can 585 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: tell us about maybe what he was saying and what 586 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: he was feeling that special night. Yeah, Obviously, the Rose 587 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: Bowl was an unbelievable experience. It means the granddaddy of 588 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: them all. Um. The committee did an unbelievable job. The 589 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: week was awesome. UM. Kind of leading up to the game, 590 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, some of the things we talked about was obviously, 591 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: but Dorry Jackson, you know, the dB for USC had 592 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: is a guy that has some elite speed, UM, and 593 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: we had watched some games where he went and walked 594 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: down UM some running backs and wide receivers that had 595 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: got out on long runs. And one of the things 596 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: we talked about was if we get the opportunity to 597 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: break a long one, we gotta know where he's got 598 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: on the field. UM. So you know, if you talk 599 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: about the epic seventy nine yard run that that Quan had, 600 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: if if you watch he's kind of looking over his shoulder, 601 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: UM the entire time. Earlier in the game, you know, 602 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: he came off the field and he was like, you know, coach, 603 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: I know where he's at, but I don't know how 604 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: I can find him. And I said, well, what, you 605 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: don't have to find him when the play is going. 606 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: He's got to kind of know where he starts because 607 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: he starts on the right side, he's gonna be on 608 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: the right side. Um. And literally when we went in 609 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: at halftime before that or a couple of series before 610 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: that run, you know, I said, you know, identify where 611 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: he's at pre snap and just know if you break 612 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: one what side he could be coming from. Um And 613 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: and and if you watch that run, you can kind 614 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: of watch him look, kind of watch him look, kind 615 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: of watch him look. And Chris Godwin does a good 616 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: job downfield blocking um. You know. So that that's obviously 617 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: one one that when you have coaching points and you 618 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: have tips and keys and a player is able to 619 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: apply mose to the game, Uh, it makes the coaching 620 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: part of the fun. The The other one that is 621 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: a great story is we're standing on the sideline I 622 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: think it's forty two to forty two or whatever it is. 623 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: We're about to go in the score and we're standing 624 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: there on a commercial break and he taps me on 625 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: the shoulder and says, coach, this is a great experience, 626 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. And at that moment, coach, you say, you know, 627 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: these kids are just having fun, you know. And I 628 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: think that's the one thing that Sei Kwan and the 629 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: rest of those guys were able to do that year. 630 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: They just had fun, you know, as as as you know, 631 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: stressful as the game is from a coaching perspective, and 632 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to make the right calls and put him 633 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: in the right position for you know, a kid to 634 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: look up at that moment just say a coach is 635 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: a great experience. You know, he's enjoying the game. Coach, 636 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about uh as a 637 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: kick returner. How did he How do you put him 638 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: back there? What was behind the decision to use him? 639 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: Not only is a running back, but it put him 640 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: in the kicking game because it's uncommon for a team 641 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: to put their best player at returner. Well, I gotta 642 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: give credit to to coach Franklin All on that one. 643 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: Um as this besial teams coordinator when I was there, Um, 644 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about, you know, improving our return 645 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: game and and we did some research and we did 646 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: studies and the teams that were really really good at 647 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: kick returns. They had a good returner, so it was 648 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: it was you know, scheme matters, but you gotta have 649 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: a guy back there if we can make a difference. 650 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: And one of the things that we talked about going 651 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: into the year was what ways can we get, say 652 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley to touch the football And and that was 653 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: one of the ways that we looked at that either 654 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: one teams are going to kick away from him, which 655 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: is gonna give us great field position, or it's gonna 656 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: give him another touch. And Coach Franklin was very adamant 657 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: and took a head coaching role and said he is 658 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: going to be our starting kick return Um. Everybody on 659 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: the staff was not happy about it. As the best 660 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: teams coordinator, I was like, yeah, listen to the head coach. 661 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: But but but coach Franklin, you know, and and a 662 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: lot of head coaches won't take that stance. And Coach Franklin, 663 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: UM preaches and believe special teams and our kind of 664 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: goal and rule there was starters are going to play 665 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: on one special team, UM, and Kuan is no different. Um. 666 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: You know, we had Jason Covenda who was a starter 667 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: on the kickoff run. You know, so it was more 668 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: of a cultural philosophy, um than necessarily you know, I 669 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: stood on the table and said Sei Kwan, and obviously 670 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: it paid off big for us and him coach. The 671 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: one criticism if if people try and find it, and 672 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: a lot of us believe he's the best player in 673 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: the draft. But the one criticism here pop up is 674 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: this issue with the negative runs. Got a lot of 675 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: negative runs, and then you hear whispers of I don't know, 676 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: is he want to do that dirty working side. I 677 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: to see a grinding, gritty, tough inside runner or is 678 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: he a big dressed up home run hitter. How do 679 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: you address those criticisms when you hear him? Well, I 680 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: think you know, the one thing that you see with 681 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: the negative runs is it's a little bit of se 682 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley trying to make a play for a team 683 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: that he loves. Um. You know, he could easily just 684 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: run up in there and take a zero yard one, 685 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: or he could run in there and take a one 686 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: yard game. UM. But he's made a living on making 687 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: big plays and I don't think you ever want to 688 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: take that away from a home run hitter. You know, 689 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: you look at baseball, UM, no one's complaining when Mark 690 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: McGuire strikes out, you know, when he hits a home run. 691 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: You know, But that's to me, that's the give and take. 692 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: You know, when you have a young man who has 693 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: the ability to change the game, um easily and quickly 694 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: as he can, you're probably gonna have to live with 695 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: some of the negative. UM. Ken Sae Kwan Barkley pounded 696 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: up inside. Absolutely, he's two thirty pounds, he runs for 697 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, four or whatever. He squats the world. He's 698 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: power claims the world. UM. You know, but I do 699 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: think you know, he's also able to stick his foot 700 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: in the ground and get to the edge a lot 701 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: quicker than some other backs. UM. But I don't have 702 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: any hesitance of him being able to get downhill, take 703 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: two yards, take a yard. UM. If you pull up 704 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: his UM short yardage highlight, it's him getting his shoulder square, 705 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: running his legs, getting vertical, getting first pounds. Um. If 706 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: you look at first and ten, he probably is going 707 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: to try to make a play. UM. So I think 708 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of who he is and what 709 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,240 Speaker 1: makes him special. I don't think it's a a fear 710 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: or something he won't do. UM. I think say Kwan 711 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: Barkley is the most complete running back in the last 712 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: ten years. And that's no disrespect to any of the 713 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: great ones that have come before or after him. I 714 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: I just think when you put all of his attributes together, 715 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: it's hard to find flaws, and that, to me is 716 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: what makes him elite. Coach. We do a thing on 717 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: the podcast where we ask people to give a three 718 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: words scouting report. So I want you to give a 719 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: three word scouting report on say Kwon Barkley, humble, passionate, special. 720 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: That might be my favorite three word report. We've got 721 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: coach that's strong. That's I'm gonna end it on that 722 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: one because that is a powerful closing argument there. For sake, 723 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, thank you so much for taking some time. 724 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys about the position coach. Nobody 725 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: spends more time with the player than his college position coach, 726 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: and that was unique insight there from coach Off, absolutely 727 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: unique insight. Um he knows him will, He spent day 728 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: after day with him. He saw his development as a 729 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: college player, and so he can speak to the growth 730 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: and speak to the leadership and character. So you always 731 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: love to have those position coaches be able to kind 732 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,359 Speaker 1: of advocate for their players. All Right, we got time 733 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: for one more chat here and this is gonna be 734 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: a teammate of s Kwon Barkley's there at Penn State. 735 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: Here's our visit with tight end Mike KASICKI honestly, you know, 736 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: you can't say enough about Sa Kwon as a player, 737 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: but really as a person. Um, I mean he does, 738 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, so many great things on the field, but 739 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: he's just you know, such a such a great guy 740 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: to talk to, an awesome teammate. Um. I mean, you 741 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: guys have seen all the all the videos in him 742 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: Power Cleaning four oh five, and yeah, it's it's unbelievable. 743 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean, in the same day I I Power Clean 744 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: three eighty five and I think I think, I'm like, 745 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: oh yeah I did three and five, and he walks 746 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: in and banks out four or five and it was like, 747 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: all right, Mike, we'll see you. Like so, uh, I mean, 748 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: it's it's been unbelievable, you know, having him as a 749 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: teammate for the past um three seasons and uh so, 750 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean you can't really say enough about him. Canny 751 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: hoop um he can so if I mean, if you 752 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: ask him if if you ask a Kuan, I mean, 753 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: I mean he can do it because he's so you know, 754 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: athletically gifted. Uh, he doesn't have the greatest jump shop, 755 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: but I mean Duke can jump and dunk and do 756 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: all that crazy stuff. So uh, I mean, I'm sure 757 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: if you put him in front of somebody with that 758 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: kind of a jilt, he's probably a great defender too. 759 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: So he can't he had no skills. He's got no skills, 760 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: but he's very athletic between the lines there. Yeah, But 761 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: how fun was it talking with him? I always find 762 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: it fascinating to see how these guys are in other 763 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: sports when they interact with each other, and it sounds like, uh, 764 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley, great football player, great athlete, maybe not 765 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: the best jumper, may may not have a great jump shop. 766 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: But I've heard say Kwan talk about not being a 767 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: basketball player. But what he brings to the table he 768 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: he hustles, he plays hard, You can rebound and those things. 769 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: Anytime you talk to a player about basketball and they 770 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: talked about rebound, the first you know, you can't shoot. 771 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: They're not a score. Now what he can do though, 772 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: he can, he can tote the rock, all right, let's 773 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: get into this, uh this discussion here buck first overall pick, 774 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: and we have in this draft to Cleveland Browns with 775 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: a need at the quarterback position. A quarterback of the 776 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: future is see Kwon Barkley the type of player that 777 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: you'll regret passing on to take a signal caller in 778 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: this draft. You know, I think he very well could 779 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: be um. Obviously, we always talk about best player available, 780 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: who's the number one player on on the board, and 781 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: Sae Kwon Barkley would be the best player on a 782 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: bunch of teams boards. However, depending on circumstances and what 783 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: you need, will he be the first one to go. 784 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: We'll see, because it depends on what team is on 785 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,000 Speaker 1: the clock when we get the draft d But right 786 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: now at as we're looking, I don't know if he 787 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: goes first because the team at the top of the board, 788 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: if they're a quarterback needy team, I think the quarterback 789 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: with trump the running back. But that doesn't take anything 790 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: away from what se Kwon Barkley is as a player. 791 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: I believe he's the best player in this draft, and 792 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: in years we'll talk about this guy being kind of 793 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: a transcendent started position yeah. I look, I think if 794 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: you need a quarterback, because of the nature of that 795 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: position and it's importance, I think you would take a 796 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: quarterback over se Kwan, as great as he is. And 797 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: let me you know how great do I think he is. 798 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: It's the last amoutline of my report. Se Kwon Barkley 799 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 1: my number one overall graded player. Uh, last line overall, 800 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: Barkley is capable of becoming the best player at his 801 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: position very early in his NFL career. So that being said, 802 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,479 Speaker 1: you know, I still think you go quarterback because that's 803 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,640 Speaker 1: the value of that position. But I think it's a 804 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: very real possibility we could be looking at the best 805 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: running back in the NFL here in very short order, 806 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: I believe. So I agree with you. I think he 807 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: can be that kind of player, and I expect him 808 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: to be a guy that is a difference maker as 809 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: a runner and receiver. I kind of liken him to 810 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: those guys, to David Johnson's the Levan Bills, the guys 811 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: who can make plays not only as runners but as receivers. 812 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: They change the way you play offensive football. All right. 813 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: When we look at the uh, the ceiling for him 814 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: and the floor for him just in terms of worre 815 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: he could go in the draft, I think I guess 816 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: we could still put one in there. I don't think 817 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: he's in mix in the mix there for the number one. 818 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: Probably more realistically, the second pick is at least a 819 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: conversation there with the New York Giants would be the ceiling. 820 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: When you look at the floor, we're talking six to 821 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: the old, we're talking seven to tamp where we were 822 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: saying here. I think if Tampa Bay Buccaneers are seven 823 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: and Sa Kuwan Barkley's there, I think they hand in 824 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: the car because he would fit their offense. I can 825 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: imagine him getting past there. I really can't imagine him 826 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: getting past number seven. You have the Indon Napster's Coats 827 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: at six, who can need one. You have the Denver 828 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: Broncos at five, who also could take one. So for me, 829 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: seven is the floor. Sae Kwon Barkley is going to 830 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: hear his name called very very early on draft knock 831 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: all right, Buck, When you look for a team fit 832 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: here for Sae Kwon Barkley, it sounds goofy to say 833 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 1: team fit when you're talking about a guy were mentioned. 834 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: It might be the best player at his position in 835 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: the NFL. But where would be the spot he could 836 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: be the most productive, Say just break He can play anywhere, 837 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: but I think the best place for him would be 838 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: the New York Jihnts. In that offense, surrounded by weapons 839 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: on the outside Sae Kwon Barkley as a guy that 840 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: can run it and also make players in the past game. 841 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: He would be the perfect compliment to Eli Manning in 842 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 1: the backfield. Yeah, I mean, I can gosh, I can 843 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: go a lot of different places. I mean, where is 844 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,320 Speaker 1: he a bad fit? I don't know where he's a 845 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: bad fit. I guess I could even say that Cleveland Browns. 846 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: I know there's talk of, you know, going one quarterback 847 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: and coming back at fourth with either an edgedresser or 848 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 1: a corner. But man, you plug him in with some 849 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: of the skill position players they have there, with the 850 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: creative offensive coordinator, with coach Haley, who's been with Levian Bell. 851 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,839 Speaker 1: We've seen the numbers he's put up there. I can 852 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: make a strong case said that he would be He 853 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: would be dynamite there in that Cleveland offense. He would 854 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: be down in by one other place, uh, the Indianapolis 855 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: Coats alongside Andrew luck we saw Peyton Manning have Edgard 856 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: and James at the start of his career. Maybe you 857 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: give Andrew Luck a sa Kwon Barkley and they begin 858 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: to have similar success. Those two great quarterbacks that have 859 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: played Indianapolis and Luk back on the field. That's another 860 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: podcast for another day. Uh look, that's uh, that's a 861 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: fun episode there, the se Kwon Barkley three sixty. We've 862 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,439 Speaker 1: got a bunch of these three sixties already floating around 863 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: out there. If you haven't checked them out, you need 864 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: to go do that. Um you can. Let's see, Mark 865 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: Jackson was outstanding, Derwin James, we had fun with that one. 866 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,240 Speaker 1: Buck Josh Allen is out there. We've got all kinds 867 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: of of three sixties and more on the way, so 868 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: be on the lookout for those as well. For sure, 869 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: I love digging into the background of these prospects. These 870 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: guys gonna be stars for the next five to ten years. 871 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: Looking forward to talking about their journey from high school 872 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: stars all the way to this point. Now, all right, well, 873 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: there you have it. This has been sa Kwon barkleyree sixty. 874 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed it. Be sure to go to 875 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash podcast if you've missed any or 876 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: check us out there on Apple Podcasts as well. We'll 877 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: see you next time. Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks 878 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,360 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more, go to 879 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash Podcasts