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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Second hour of The Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show begins right now. I've got a lot

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Speaker 1: to break down for you. The judge is deciding whether

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Speaker 1: or not the affid David and the Trump maral Lago

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Speaker 1: raid by the FBI will be unsealed. That is underway now. Fortunately,

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Speaker 1: we have one of the best people you can think

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Speaker 1: the next hour. We'll hopefully have some more breaking news

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Speaker 1: on this to share with you as well. Alan Dershowitz

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Speaker 1: will be with us bottom of this hour too. We

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Speaker 1: have our friend Tomahome and former Immigrations and Customs Enforcement

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Speaker 1: director knows the border backwards and forwards, north and south

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Speaker 1: what's happening now. The short version is the US Mexico

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Speaker 1: border under the Biden administration is the worst it has

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Speaker 1: ever been. And that is how they like it in

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Speaker 1: Democrats racles. They like the lawlessness. It is a feature,

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Speaker 1: not a bug. Um. But we've got a little more

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Speaker 1: on the law enforcement angle to discuss with you right now.

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Speaker 1: Where the first of all, the CIA director. Former CI

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Speaker 1: director was trending on Twitter this morning. I said, what

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Speaker 1: what happened? Now? What what did Mike do? Are you

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Speaker 1: of the opinion too when you see someone that you're

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Speaker 1: kind of paying attention to that you know, trending, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, it's probably not a good thing. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well for what we do? If I see if I

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Speaker 1: somebody's come after them. What have they done? Now? The

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Speaker 1: only way you're going to trend as a former CI

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Speaker 1: director right now is it basically if you end up

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Speaker 1: trashing Trump and Republicans. And sure enough, I was. I

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Speaker 1: was just a little underling at the CIA, writing my

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Speaker 1: memos in my cube did deployed a couple of war zones,

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Speaker 1: but you know, just as an analyst, and I was

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Speaker 1: working for Mike Hayden at the time, as in he

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Speaker 1: three letter agencies. He was an Air Force general I

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Speaker 1: believe before that. And here is what happened. Here's why

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Speaker 1: he's trending. Donald Trump's I'm sorry that's the wrong thing's

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Speaker 1: reading the wrong quote. Former CI director Michael Hayden on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday agreed with a British journalist contention that quote Republicans

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Speaker 1: were more nihilistic and dangerous than extremist groups and dictatorships

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Speaker 1: around the world. I've covered extremism and violent ideologies around

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Speaker 1: the world over my career, tweeted Financial Times columnist Edward

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Speaker 1: more nihilistic, dangerous, and contemptible than today's Republicans. Nothing comes close.

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Speaker 1: Former CIA director Mike Hayden chimed in with I agree,

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Speaker 1: and I was the CIA director. Couple of things here.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there are plenty of people who are

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Speaker 1: world class jackasses who have had very fancy jobs, very

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Speaker 1: fancy titles in government. It means nothing whenever and understand

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Speaker 1: this prestige bias is real, meaning, oh, well, that person

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Speaker 1: has an MD, pH D M, A mph, MPC, elemental PQRS,

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Speaker 1: so I better listen. No false. They may be a

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Speaker 1: total moron who got the job for reasons that have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with competency or judgments. Start with that.

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Speaker 1: So the idea that the Republican Party is can't you

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Speaker 1: just feel all the healing, Clay. Remember we're told there's

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Speaker 1: going to be all the healing by Biden. But you

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Speaker 1: and I, as Republicans more dangerous than al Qaida, more

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Speaker 1: dangerous than the head choppers of Isis. Sir Kim Jong

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Speaker 1: Uns Knukes have got nothing on us because we think

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Speaker 1: that men can't become women. This is this is Buck.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say. When we finished the show first hour,

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Speaker 1: what did I say? I said, Democrats are better at

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Speaker 1: getting Republicans to talk about the topics that they want

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Speaker 1: Democrats do to be talked about than Republicans are. I

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Speaker 1: think you have to admire it. Democrats attack far better

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Speaker 1: But also I think a lot of Republicans are afraid

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Speaker 1: so combative. But Buck, how often do you see mainstream

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Speaker 1: reservatives can't say defund the FBI. A tiny percentage of

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Speaker 1: at the FBI. The Republican Party as the party of

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Speaker 1: law and order. Our party stands with the men and

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Speaker 1: federal and state and local level, and these attacks on

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Speaker 1: the FBI must stop. Calls to defind the FBI are

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Speaker 1: just as wrong as calls to defund the police. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with anything Mike Pence said there. The

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Speaker 1: problem is as soon as he said that, Buck, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's going to become a huge talking point. The White

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Speaker 1: House is already saying Joe Biden disagrees with calls to

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Speaker 1: defund the FBI, just like he disagrees with the calls

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Speaker 1: FBI to be gone. No. Look, I speak, I think,

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Speaker 1: and I think you do too, Buck. For the vast

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Speaker 1: political opponent and trying to knock him out politically. That's

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Speaker 1: different than saying the entire FBI shouldn't exist. But soon

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Speaker 1: that all Republicans want the FBI gone. It's also very different.

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Speaker 1: I actually do disagree a little bit with Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: right now, sir, that's what don't help the Democrat rats

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Speaker 1: When I say no one, no person of following, and

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Speaker 1: but I mean, do I think that there should be

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Speaker 1: also a lot of senior officials should be cashiered. Yes,

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Speaker 1: understand this. Right you defund the police, you get mobs

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Speaker 1: Who have you know, full of criminals who have been

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Speaker 1: very unhelpful. And why is it that whee always have

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Speaker 1: to calm everything down? You ever noticed that. Yeah, calm

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Speaker 1: it makes us a better society. Right, everybody's subject to

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Speaker 1: of course you shouldn't be, you know, yelling at some

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Speaker 1: and that's it's it's insane, illegal and counterproductive on every sense.

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Speaker 1: But we just went through a year Clay where people

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Speaker 1: this is tyrannical. I'm not going to get the shot.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak hypocritically about this. How many

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Speaker 1: People on the left just go from what they fail

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Speaker 1: the other aspect to think about big picture in terms

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Speaker 1: place because over half, basically of the American population is

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Speaker 1: served by Fox News, and people always say, oh, Fox

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Speaker 1: News is so right wing. Now if you look at

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Speaker 1: the data on who watches Fox News, oh, oftentimes Fox

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Speaker 1: and it's CNN combined. In fact, more Democrats in some

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Speaker 1: hours watch Fox News than watch MSNBC or CNN. That's

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Speaker 1: according to twenty five fifty four year olds. Maybe some

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Speaker 1: of us hate watch I think more likely they just

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Speaker 1: approve of the coverage of Fox News because Fox News,

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Speaker 1: to my opinion, covers what the vast majority of people

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Speaker 1: agree with. MSNBC buck is I'm sure you would acknowledge,

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Speaker 1: and all of our audience out there would acknowledge is

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Speaker 1: admittedly a far left wing news organization. What should CNN's

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Speaker 1: role be, Well, in an era where everybody with a

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Speaker 1: CNN really bringing? So I do think that'll be interesting,

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Speaker 1: But we want to get to our buddy Tom Holman

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Speaker 1: and the boarder. We promise you the border. We keep

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Speaker 1: talking about this issue because it's one of the ones.

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Speaker 1: but uh, it sounds a little bit like missus tough,

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Speaker 1: but what was like? Oh yeah, they asked me at

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Speaker 1: the wide open border. We're to come into that with

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Speaker 1: Tom home and tell you the latest on it in

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Speaker 1: four relief. Welcome back in Klay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: You just heard Buck talking about one of the least

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Speaker 1: covered stories in all of American life today in terms

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Speaker 1: of things that are impacting us every single day, what

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Speaker 1: is going on at the border and the absolute failures

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Speaker 1: of the Biden administration. Joe Biden hasn't even made a

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Speaker 1: trip to the border. He cares more about the border

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Speaker 1: with Ukraine and Russia than he does the border in

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Speaker 1: the United States. And we're joined now by Tom Holman,

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Speaker 1: former Acting Director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Ice worked in border security and immigration enforcement for thirty

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Speaker 1: five years. Visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation, Tom, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you making the time for us. Has the border

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Speaker 1: ever been as bad in your thirty five year knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the border situation than it is today? No, that's

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Speaker 1: the worse has ever been And nine, close by far

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Speaker 1: Be last year that had one point seven two illegal entries,

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Speaker 1: and that was the historic rectory. We're at two million

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Speaker 1: already and we got two months less and this year

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Speaker 1: about two point four two point five with a new

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Speaker 1: historic record blown away last year's record. So it's just

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Speaker 1: keeps getting worse. Tom, It's buck. What are the frontline

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Speaker 1: border patrol agents telling you they're facing now? And and

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Speaker 1: also what does their leadership from DC tell them about

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Speaker 1: the situation. I mean, there must be at some level

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Speaker 1: or recognition that there's no effort made whatsoever from this

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Speaker 1: Biden White House to try to push back on this

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Speaker 1: tidal wave of illegal immigration in the country. So what

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Speaker 1: are the rank and file being told by DC leadership,

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Speaker 1: at ICE, at border patrol? What are you hearing? They're

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Speaker 1: not being told anything? I mean, barb relatesis that's why

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Speaker 1: you see these videos being lead to the Secretary having

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Speaker 1: the town halls. You've noticed he isn't having any mar

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Speaker 1: Beaus because the board Joe, they're frustrated. They're saying, the

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Speaker 1: Secretary Home Insecurity comes her for town hall and we

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Speaker 1: get an argument because we're not allowed to do our jobs,

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Speaker 1: and we got the crazies at the border. We don't

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Speaker 1: have enough resources to handle it. They just want to

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Speaker 1: hear what's the plan, what's the strategy? The Secretary is

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Speaker 1: gonna make a trip down to talk to borders. They

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Speaker 1: just explained to him, what is your strategy? What is

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Speaker 1: your plan? What's the administration going to do? Because these

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Speaker 1: ages are just working their bucks off every day twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven with the record number of migrants that

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Speaker 1: has taken up to seventy percent of them off the

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Speaker 1: patrol into facilities to change diapers, make baby farming, and

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Speaker 1: make hospital runs, make airport runs. These guys can't do

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Speaker 1: their job, and all they want to answer, what is

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Speaker 1: the plan, what is the strategy? How are we going

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Speaker 1: to secure the Are we not going to secure the border?

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Speaker 1: The ministry doesn't talk to them. So look the men

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Speaker 1: and win in the boarder trow, the men win the life.

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Speaker 1: They've they've lost confidence in the President, they lost confidence

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Speaker 1: in the secretary horn of security. They feel like they've

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Speaker 1: been abandoned by both of them, and they have so

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Speaker 1: the boarder crow at nice morales in the toilet. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm probably they get up and go to work. Everything

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Speaker 1: you do. What they can, but they're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: do their job. I'll pull them all state. It's just

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Speaker 1: is terrible, Tom. It seems clear that the cartels are

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Speaker 1: also flexing their muscle in a way that we have

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Speaker 1: never seen before. Finn Als shipments continuing to roar across

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Speaker 1: the border, killing hundreds of thousands of people in the

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Speaker 1: United States. In addition to our own border security being,

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Speaker 1: as you said, weaker than you've ever seen in thirty

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Speaker 1: five years. Has the cartel's power on the southern side

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Speaker 1: of this border ever been higher than it is right now. No,

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Speaker 1: the Mexican the Mexican cartels control our southern border. I've

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Speaker 1: had several cheap patroys and tell me directly, they have

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Speaker 1: lost operational control or southern border. They cannot contain what's coming. True.

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Speaker 1: That's evidenced by the nearly nine hundred thousand gataways since

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden become president. These are gataways around the film

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Speaker 1: censored drone traffic. These are people that enter the country

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Speaker 1: getting Ballertroll couldn't arrest him because they don't have the

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Speaker 1: resources to do it. So, you know, one cheap patrol

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Speaker 1: used the term broken out. That's the term he used

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Speaker 1: to me he was or overrun. We can't contain it.

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Speaker 1: So the Mexican cartels are powerful. They're making them more

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Speaker 1: money right now they've ever made. They're making record money

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Speaker 1: with aliens smugment, they're making record money with human and

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking women. They're making record money on drug smugment.

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Speaker 1: You guys, up to seventy percent of mortal morditroigents off

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Speaker 1: the line. They're moving massive amounts of drugs. That's why

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Speaker 1: you see so many overdooked us of fentanyl. THEA says

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Speaker 1: nine off comes across the Southwest border. Why because up

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Speaker 1: to seventy percent of bordities aren't on the line. So

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Speaker 1: you know, the cartels are having the field day, and

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Speaker 1: that's why you see so much violence in the next story.

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Speaker 1: Now the cartels are fighting each other, but control of

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Speaker 1: the plausas. Speaking of Tom home In, former Immigrations and

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Speaker 1: Customs Enforcement Acting Director Tom you know, we've been talking

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Speaker 1: today about how Republicans it's not enough to point out

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Speaker 1: although it's a necessary, really a precondition for the debate,

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Speaker 1: the failures of this Biden administration, specifically on the border.

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Speaker 1: But fixing this, what does fixing the situation look like?

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Speaker 1: I mean if someone made you and I know a

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Speaker 1: you were in charge of restoring law and order down there,

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Speaker 1: what would that look like? What needs to happen? We

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Speaker 1: dust off Trump policies and re estate them in one day,

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Speaker 1: and we get control of the border in thirty days.

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Speaker 1: We would we would reinstate remained mesical full travel. We

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Speaker 1: were reinstate titled forty two full Thravele. We would reinstate

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Speaker 1: the third Safe Country Agreement. So if you're escaping, you know,

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Speaker 1: so called asylum from Honduras, you get the Mexico guests

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Speaker 1: where you planned to sign on the mensical because you've

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Speaker 1: escaped that so called fear of persecution. We would continue

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Speaker 1: building the wall. We were stopped. We were stopped catching release,

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Speaker 1: We retained those we had to detained. They would be detained,

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Speaker 1: and we would remove people as they get the removed order.

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Speaker 1: We would it's been done. We had to board it

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Speaker 1: some most secure it's ever been. And we had some

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Speaker 1: more working that. We had to finish wall to other things.

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Speaker 1: And I read a lot of paper right now people say, well,

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Speaker 1: you're more on because you second questions to be where

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Speaker 1: are they coming. They're coming, whether it's in a wall.

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Speaker 1: So we were continued to building the wall. We dust

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Speaker 1: off the Trump plans and put it in place, and

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Speaker 1: we'd get the border under control and in thirty days,

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Speaker 1: if not sooner we had the president who are the

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Speaker 1: president would be I hopefully would be Trump called Mexico

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Speaker 1: and says you're going to do this, and you're going

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Speaker 1: to do that, or I'm going to tariff the hell

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Speaker 1: out of you. He wouldn't be sending money to Central

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Speaker 1: American countries like it's been done, like the my administration doing.

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Speaker 1: We've done it for decades. It don't work. What the

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Speaker 1: Trump the president Trump did it says, hell, I'm not

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Speaker 1: giving them a diet. A matter of fact, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take money away if they don't step up and do

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Speaker 1: it they're supposed to do. And that's what he did.

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Speaker 1: He didn't play. He didn't pay a bride to these

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Speaker 1: Central American countries. He said, whatever international age you get

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Speaker 1: from the United States, it ends if you don't start

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Speaker 1: doing what you're supposed to do on your border. And

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Speaker 1: it worked. So we just reinstated the Trump policies and

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Speaker 1: take a little further and we would secure the border.

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Speaker 1: Outstanding stuff. As always, Tom, we appreciate your time and

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Speaker 1: we need to keep you on the show as often

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Speaker 1: as we can to let people know what a disaster

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Speaker 1: it is the border. We appreciate everything you did to

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Speaker 1: help make it safe there. Oh gotta thank you, sir.

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Speaker 1: That was Tom Holman for the thirty five years in

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Speaker 1: the border, former ICE director. He knows how to fix

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Speaker 1: everything when we come back. Big hearing going on today

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Speaker 1: into the warrants and whether the affidavit is going to

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Speaker 1: be published so that we can all read it to

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Speaker 1: see whether or not the mar Lago raid was justified.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be joined by the legendary constitutional scholar

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Speaker 1: and lawyer Alan Dershowitz to break down this story and

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Speaker 1: more for you. Was the FBI's raid justified? What is

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Speaker 1: going on inside to the Department of Justice, and how

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Speaker 1: overall is this power dynamic existing where Merrick Garland is

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Speaker 1: investigating his chief political rival Buck. It is going to

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Speaker 1: be a fantastic conversation and it's happening next