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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 2: for a day at the state?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Woo whoo? And them and tie Dan Rubinstein? We have

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Speaker 1: a deal to report?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what is it? Are we going somewhere?

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Speaker 2: Do we have a new deal? What are we doing?

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Speaker 3: We don't have a deal.

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Speaker 1: I wish we had it.

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Speaker 3: We do not have a new deal to report, at

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Speaker 3: least not at this juncture.

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Speaker 1: But the ACC does.

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Speaker 3: The ACC does. So we've been talking about this now

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Speaker 3: on our show for what feels like forever, it's been

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Speaker 3: at least two years. Florida State, perpetually unhappy in the ACC,

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Speaker 3: has clearly been kicking the tires to see what's out there.

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Speaker 3: There have been lawsuits filed, testing the waters, seeing what

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Speaker 3: the grant of rights will or won't allow them to

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Speaker 1: Could they leave?

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Speaker 3: Might they pay exorbitant some If you've listened to us,

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Speaker 3: you know that we've talked about this in nauseum. Clemson's

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Speaker 3: sort of followed suit, though not quite as aggressively. There

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Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: The ACC has been on unstable ground now for a while.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna bring David Hale from ESPN dot Com on

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Speaker 3: here shortly to talk through exactly what the terms of

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Speaker 3: this new deal look like. It seems like for some

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Speaker 3: period of time we're gonna have some stability in the AEC,

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Speaker 3: which I guess is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's a good thing if you're the ACC.

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Speaker 2: It's a good thing if you are some of the

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Speaker 2: others as TV properties, I guess, And this is not

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Speaker 2: unique to the ACC, after we've been through a round

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Speaker 2: of realignment involving size of local markets, as it relates

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Speaker 2: Nothing new, nothing unique to the ACC. But it is

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Speaker 2: being positioned that you get bonuses for I think it's

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Speaker 2: going to be unequal revenue sharing, not exclusively for Florida

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Speaker 2: though neither one of those teams I don't believe were

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Speaker 2: And that's sort of a matter of circumstance. And Georgia

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Speaker 2: Tech was pretty good last year, so they were playing

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Speaker 2: in fun, entertaining games against interesting teams. It is kind

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Speaker 2: of a fascinating stay of decision making. As you know,

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Speaker 2: the Florida State and Clemson are trading financial flexibility down

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Speaker 2: the road for staying in for now and giving the

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Speaker 2: ACC some semblance of time to figure things out ahead

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Speaker 2: of the early twenty thirties when college football is going

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Speaker 3: You're borrowing my term. I love it, and you're absolutely right. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: twenty thirty, twenty thirty one, twenty thirty two, that will

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Speaker 3: be I think the next window when things go haywire.

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Speaker 3: In the interim, though, why don't we bring David on.

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Speaker 3: All right, Dan, help us sort all of this out.

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Speaker 3: Please to welcome, I believe for the first time to

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Speaker 1: Sir David, welcome. It's great to have you. I'm thrilled

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Speaker 3: So we reached out to you earlier today to see

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Speaker 3: Thankfully you did, and Dan made a joke about us

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Speaker 1: Yes, so, guys, sometimes whar an mommy and a daddy

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Speaker 2: Is there any element of five years is an eternity

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Speaker 1: I think there is a huge aspect of that of

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Speaker 1: an out a couple of years ago. Colorado's an inn

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Speaker 1: right now if you're thinking about it in those terms.

437
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Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of the acc in

438
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Speaker 1: particular who kind of viewed this as like our you know,

439
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Speaker 1: our we're we're borderline undrafted free agents or maybe we're

440
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Speaker 1: fifth rounders, and if we can get into the fifth round,

441
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Speaker 1: that's great for us. So this gives us a window

442
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Speaker 1: of five to six years to you know, get ready

443
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Speaker 1: for the combine basics.

444
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Speaker 2: Hurry up and get cool, hurry up and pull a

445
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Speaker 2: shees all that coming down the stairs.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that reference.

447
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Speaker 3: It's funny because as we're talking this through, I'm reminded

448
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Speaker 3: of that. I don't know where the post was from,

449
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 3: has been making the rounds about the very slight three

450
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Speaker 3: percent chance that the asteroid hits Earth in the year whatever,

451
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Speaker 3: A couple of years down the road. It feels like twenty,

452
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Speaker 3: twenty thirty or thirty one or thirty two somewhere in

453
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Speaker 3: that window is when all hell could break loose. If

454
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Speaker 3: you are a betting man, David, I don't know if

455
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Speaker 3: you are, What does that look like when all this

456
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Speaker 3: goes goes crazy? If it goes crazy?

457
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Speaker 1: I yeah, it's funny because I think if you asked

458
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Speaker 1: twenty different like high level college football people, you might

459
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Speaker 1: get twenty different answers. I think most people think we're

460
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Speaker 1: heading towards a contraction at the pop level. Whatever that

461
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Speaker 1: looks like, is it thirty teams, forty teams, sixty teams.

462
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Speaker 1: I think that's a little up in the air. The

463
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Speaker 1: networks probably play a big part in that. I think

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of people believe and I think this, at

465
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Speaker 1: least would be the smart decision is for football to

466
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Speaker 1: have its own thing and not have this drag every

467
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Speaker 1: other sport along with them. And I think you're starting

468
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Speaker 1: to see that sort of from the other direction, where soccer,

469
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Speaker 1: for example, is trying to sort of do its own

470
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Speaker 1: thing and not be so tethered to an amateurism model

471
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make a lot of sense for them. So,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, could I see a football breakaway at the

473
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Speaker 1: top level, I'd say, if you're putting odds, I think

474
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Speaker 1: that's probably the highest odds. Now is that a majority

475
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Speaker 1: odds over fifty percent? Probably not, It's probably maybe like

476
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Speaker 1: a one third chance, a twenty five percent chance. I

477
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Speaker 1: don't know. And one of the other things I keep

478
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Speaker 1: saying to people, I mean, you guys sort of mentioned this,

479
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Speaker 1: that sort of just surviving another day gives you another opportunity,

480
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Speaker 1: because I mean, just think about from the argument over

481
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Speaker 1: employee status for athletes three months ago, it looked a

482
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Speaker 1: lot different with Joe Biden and Democrats in power than

483
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Speaker 1: it does today with Donald Trump and Republicans in power. Well,

484
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Speaker 1: the political situation locally and nationally is going to change.

485
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Speaker 1: If you look at you know, if you're a student

486
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Speaker 1: of what's going on Higher ed financially, the economics of

487
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Speaker 1: higher ED right now, that's shifting a lot, and a

488
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Speaker 1: lot of the schools are using university money to cover

489
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Speaker 1: like the revshare money that they have to spend now

490
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Speaker 1: that twenty and a half million. You know, the courts

491
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Speaker 1: may have something to say about this with anti trust violations,

492
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Speaker 1: Like there's so many hurdles and roadblocks that like projecting exactly,

493
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Speaker 1: like you can sort of see the trend lines and

494
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Speaker 1: basic contours of where things are heading. And then it's

495
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Speaker 1: also entirely possible that they run into a roadblock that

496
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Speaker 1: turns everything around, and you know, maybe we're back with

497
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Speaker 1: five power conferences that are all regional and everybody goes

498
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Speaker 1: back to the way things were in two thousand. I

499
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Speaker 1: don't see that happening, but I know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who wouldn't mind seeing it that way.

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Speaker 3: By the way, what happens to the old acc grant

502
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Speaker 3: of rights now, because like nobody could get to it.

503
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Speaker 3: It was in a mysterious room, Like do they just

504
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Speaker 3: leave it there? Like it's the lunar module? Like what

505
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Speaker 3: happens to that?

506
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Speaker 1: My assumption is that it is now a place Matt

507
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Speaker 1: and a cookout in Greensboro. But other than that, I

508
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Speaker 1: have no clue because I don't think it's worth the

509
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Speaker 1: paper it's printed on anymore.

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Speaker 3: Just to as you talk to others around college football

511
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Speaker 3: about this, you know, Dan mentioned, is this going to

512
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Speaker 3: set a precedent? Is there a sense of relief that

513
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Speaker 3: there's sort of a stay of execution on more conference realignment?

514
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Speaker 3: Is it just sort of a continuation of general unease

515
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Speaker 3: in the sport with so much changing so quickly. What

516
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Speaker 3: is the I guess general sentiment in response to what

517
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Speaker 3: we've seen here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the first part is correct. There

519
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Speaker 1: is sort of this like we've been on a treadmill

520
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Speaker 1: running in a million miles an hour from the last

521
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Speaker 1: five years basically since COVID started, And if this gives

522
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Speaker 1: us a chance to catch our breath, like that's a

523
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Speaker 1: good thing, especially with the house settlement coming and that

524
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Speaker 1: landscape about to be markedly different than everything that's led

525
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Speaker 1: up to this. So it's sort of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: get you have to catch your breath and reevaluate it.

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Speaker 1: It almost sort of reminds me, I think a little

528
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Speaker 1: bit of like that like break of like a couple

529
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Speaker 1: of weeks off and bowl practices between the end of

530
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Speaker 1: the season and a bowl game, right, you know, it's

531
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Speaker 1: a chance to go back and figure out all of

532
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Speaker 1: the fundamentals you didn't have time when you're on a

533
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Speaker 1: week to week getting ready for the next game type

534
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Speaker 1: of thing. It's a reset, but it is not. It's

535
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Speaker 1: not safety by any any imagination, anyone's imagination. Like reset,

536
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Speaker 1: get your bearings, figure out where you are. Then you've

537
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Speaker 1: got to jump back on that treadmill because it's going

538
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Speaker 1: to be twenty thirty before we know it. And and

539
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Speaker 1: you know again the other you know, Texas and Oklahoma,

540
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Speaker 1: that stuff happened three years before their granted rights was up,

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Speaker 1: and then they had to wait out two years of

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Speaker 1: it and then buy out a year. Like the conversations

543
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Speaker 1: will start again, far sooner than any of us are

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Speaker 1: probably eager to have them.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that you've mentioned, a lot of

546
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Speaker 2: people have mentioned is the addition of Stanford Callen SMU

547
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Speaker 2: actually helped the ACC to buy time, or at least

548
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Speaker 2: look at itself in a position of safety for longer

549
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Speaker 2: than it may have been able to had they not joined.

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Speaker 2: What has been the what have been the returns sort

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Speaker 2: of emotionally to the additions of Stanford, cal and SMU.

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Speaker 2: Are people happy about it because of what it probably

553
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Speaker 2: means for the future. Are people sort of neutral? Are

554
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Speaker 2: they displeased with like the weird national element to the conference?

555
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 2: What's the vibe check of nationalizing the ACC?

556
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Speaker 1: You know, it probably depends on who you ask. I mean,

557
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Speaker 1: the truth is, I think you guys think back a

558
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago at the ACC spring meetings, and

559
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Speaker 1: there was rumblings about a potential breakaway of seven teams

560
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Speaker 1: that Brett Mumurphy brilliantly named the Magnificent Seven, proving once

561
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Speaker 1: again that if you give something a good nickname, ten

562
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Speaker 1: times better than it actually is. But that I think

563
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Speaker 1: scared a lot of folks in the ACC. And so

564
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Speaker 1: one of the advantages that adding those three teams did

565
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Speaker 1: was just make more votes. So it's harder to dissolve

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Speaker 1: the league because there's more teams who will vote not

567
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Speaker 1: to do it. You look at a place like SMU,

568
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Speaker 1: this could it be going better for SMU and their

569
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Speaker 1: fan Basically they made the playoff and just signed their

570
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Speaker 1: big recruiting class they have ever signed, and Red Lashley

571
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Speaker 1: will tell you, Like the number one thing I used

572
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Speaker 1: to hear in the recruiting trail was well you're not

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Speaker 1: power five. Well now we are, and I can answer

574
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Speaker 1: that question affirmatively. But also if you're like callan Stanford man,

575
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Speaker 1: you're taking less money. Now you're about to take even

576
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Speaker 1: less money. You left a place with absolute uncertainty for

577
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Speaker 1: another place that has a lot of uncertainty. And I

578
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: think just in generally, I mean, as you said, I

579
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Speaker 1: spend way more time than is healthy thinking about the ACC.

580
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Speaker 1: And there are days that I'm like, oh, yes, Stanford,

581
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Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that. Yes, So you know it's

582
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Speaker 1: but it's it's indicative of the larger issue. You know,

583
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Speaker 1: The aec IS issues, in many ways are a microcosm

584
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Speaker 1: of everything that's happening in college football. And so I

585
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Speaker 1: caution people when I want to point and laugh at

586
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Speaker 1: the ACC, I sort of get it because I've done

587
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Speaker 1: my share pointing in laughing over the years for many reasons.

588
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: But it's it's very much sometimes there. But by the

589
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: grace of God, go I and you never know when

590
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Speaker 1: the finger's gonna be pointed at you.

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Speaker 3: How did Jim Phillips negotiate this, Like I'm still trying

592
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: to figure out how do you go to a school

593
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: like we used Boston College before as an example, how

594
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Speaker 3: do you go to Boston College and say you're going

595
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Speaker 3: to take less money and you're going to like it.

596
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Speaker 3: And I know you said they want to avoid the

597
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Speaker 3: headaches and obviously everybody puts a premium on stability. That's

598
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Speaker 3: still a very awkward conversation to have, is it not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's so funny because a lot of what

600
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Speaker 1: just passed the ad. Michael Alford at Florida State proposed

601
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Speaker 1: all of this two and a half years ago, right,

602
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: it was a non starter, like they there was not

603
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Speaker 1: even a conversation about this, like we weren't going to

604
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: talk about it, and now here we are, and so

605
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: how much of that as Jim Phillips Jim Phillips has

606
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Speaker 1: been very good at consensus building within the ACC, and

607
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Speaker 1: that's hard to do. You look at the Big twelve

608
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Speaker 1: and I mean it's it's a lot of public schools

609
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Speaker 1: who care about football in very similar geographic areas. From

610
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Speaker 1: you know, from a demographic standpoint, the ACC is all

611
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Speaker 1: over the map, like literally and figuratively, and so it

612
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Speaker 1: has always been really hard to build consensus within this league,

613
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Speaker 1: and so Jim Phillips, to his credit, has done a

614
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Speaker 1: great job of that. But I would venture to guess

615
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Speaker 1: if you talk to the folks at Boston College, at

616
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Speaker 1: wake Forest, at Syracuse and some of those other places

617
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Speaker 1: that are probably not benefiting a lot from this, and

618
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Speaker 1: ask them in their heart of hearts, what convinced them.

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Speaker 1: The answer is the PAC twelve. The answer is I

620
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Speaker 1: see Oregon State in Washington State, and I don't want

621
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Speaker 1: to be that the cautionary tale, right, That's exactly right,

622
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Speaker 1: and it is. I don't think the timing is coincidental

623
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Speaker 1: that watching what happened to those two schools and having

624
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Speaker 1: direct conversations with Stanford and Cal about what they narrowly missed.

625
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Speaker 1: I think that that has been a wake up call

626
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Speaker 1: for a lot of folks as to we can't sit

627
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Speaker 1: back and rest on our laurels and be happy collecting

628
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Speaker 1: this check anymore. It's wild.

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Speaker 2: It's like being invited to a wedding. You don't get

630
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Speaker 2: a plus one. It's a cash bar for you. You can

631
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Speaker 2: only go number one in the bathroom. You're gonna have

632
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Speaker 2: to work the valet afterwards. But you can come to

633
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Speaker 2: the party, you can come to the wedding, and schools

634
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Speaker 2: in this modern world seem to be like you know what,

635
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Speaker 2: it's better than being on the outside looking in.

636
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Always better to be the at the cool kids table,

637
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Speaker 1: even if you're at the end of the lunch table,

638
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: than to be sitting down with the band nerds where

639
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: I sat in high school. I guess I don't know.

640
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Speaker 2: I'm also trying to figure out how Marylyn can accidentally

641
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Speaker 2: get an ACC check out of all of this, that

642
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: they're going to be like the Milton collecting you know,

643
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: checks from office space even though their grandfathered in.

644
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Speaker 1: All right, the glitch.

645
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Speaker 2: We fixed the glitch. Maryland's stopped receiving receiving ACC checks.

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Speaker 2: David Hale ESPN dot com, thank you so much for

647
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Speaker 2: explaining all of this to us, the eleven year olds

648
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Speaker 2: that we likely are intellectually and enjoy all things Chapel Hill.

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Speaker 1: I think, Ray, I'm sure Bill Belichick is gonna be

650
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: excited to chat with me.

651
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's a personality, that's what he is.

652
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's many people are saying.

653
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Speaker 3: All right, there you go, Dan, David Hale, first time

654
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: stopping on by at long last from ESPN dot com.

655
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: Probably should have had him on a long time ago.

656
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: It just didn't work out, But better late than never. Yeah,

657
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: I was get always glad to have a newcomer here

658
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 3: on the show, and especially one that can explain all

659
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: this to us as well as he did.

660
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: It is not funny to me, but I guess entertaining

661
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: to me on a certain level that the last year

662
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: or two with regard to this story has been more

663
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: Florida State than Clemson. But Florida State saying we are

664
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: big deals and we are not being paid as such,

665
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: and we are falling behind our co conspirators in the

666
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: SEC and the Big ten as major programs, but we're

667
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: not making as much money as them, and we are

668
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: this huge deal in this sport and we are being underpaid.

669
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: And then they went to intent. Now, as we know,

670
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: record does not determine your value. Apparently, the competitive nature

671
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: and the short term as David mentioned, like Georgia Tech

672
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: super valuable way back when you know, string of three

673
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: and nine seasons whatever, like you you are what your

674
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: eyeballs say you are, I guess on TV and a

675
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: lot of people still watch Florida State and then to

676
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: a lesser extent, Clemson. Just like the last couple of

677
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: years of Clemson, even though they didn't fall off like

678
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: Florida State did this past season, going from you know,

679
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: being on the edge of the playoff to once again

680
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: going to and ten like the last couple of years

681
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: of Clemson, has been sort of fraught with like Dabbo

682
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: melting down at a collar on his radio show, We're

683
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: just like, again, Clemson no different than many teams in

684
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: this sport that it's a year to year thing and

685
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: maybe you're not as good as you used to be

686
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: and maybe you're having an up year, maybe down year.

687
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: Whatever.

688
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: It's just been very entertaining the teams in the acc that,

689
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: like you have Miami people speaking up and then they

690
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: melt down, you have North care line of people speaking up.

691
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, the sidebar here is my favorite

692
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: quote through all of this was some like anonymous North

693
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: Carolina administrator trustee, somebody behind the scenes was just like, yeah,

694
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: we'll just let Floria State and Clemson pay their lawyers

695
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: and we'll just benefit from whatever's decided. We'll let them

696
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: pay those fees and we'll just figure out how we

697
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: fit in after that they're just sort of drafting from

698
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: all of this. I enjoyed that, but yeah, there is

699
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: the insane nature of the ACC this these past couple

700
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: of seasons with the Calgarithm and stand for joining it,

701
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: upsetting Louisville, and like, I know, you've talked about the

702
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: Big Twelve as like America's most entertaining conference because of

703
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: all the teams that are sort of jocking for upper

704
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: middle class. And I don't necessarily think you're wrong, but

705
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: the upheaval in the ACC with like the fre animal

706
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: and Bill O'Brien and Manny Diaz coming in, like SMU

707
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 2: coming in going to the playoff, Like it's been chaotically

708
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: very entertaining to me from afar, you know, to have

709
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: cam Ward come in from Pullman, Washington and light this

710
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: conference on fire in a good way for Miami and

711
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: might be like the number one overall pick after all

712
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: of this. Like I've just been very entertained by this

713
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: whole spectacle. And I hope we get for me, even

714
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: if Florida State whatever and Clemson whatever they leave in

715
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one or whatever, I hope that we get

716
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: the insane nature of the ACC forever because the idea

717
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: of a super conference turns my stomach. It absolutely turns

718
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: my stomach. I know people are pointing to like everything

719
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: being TV, everything being you know, going in the direction

720
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: of grouping these four dozen teams or whatever together. It

721
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: turns my stomach. I think it's antithetical to the entire

722
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: appeal of the sport. And losing Duke and SMU in

723
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: six overtimes, or losing cam Ward and Miami playing a

724
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: crazy shootout against was it Louisville or Duke, like, I

725
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: need that forever. I need that drug in my life.

726
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm hopelessly addicted to, you know, getting TCU Baylor fifty

727
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: one forty eight and having it be meaningful in a

728
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: major conference. I need it forever. And the idea that, like, well,

729
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: Florida State is a value add to the Big Ten

730
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: because they open up a new region and new viewership

731
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: to watch Florida State Indiana, It's just revolting to me.

732
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: It's revolting to me. And let me be clear, Oregon

733
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten still not my thing. Still does

734
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: it's not my kink. It doesn't get me going. But man,

735
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: the ACC is its own unique brand of seven and

736
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: five versus eight and four nonsense, and I just hate

737
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: to lose it. First, Well, this gets how you feel.

738
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 3: This gets back to the conversation we had months ago

739
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: at this point when I forget even the context in

740
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: which Joel Klatt was discussing this, when he was talking

741
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: about the big noon games and how it adds it

742
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 3: adds value, adds value. We don't talk about college football

743
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: in terms like you and I don't. Most of the

744
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: people listening to this show don't talk about college football

745
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 3: with their friends in terms of who adds value to

746
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: the bottom line, Like No, we don't think of it

747
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: in terms of that, And nothing highlights that more than

748
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: a deal like this that is based, as I said earlier,

749
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 3: on TV ratings and TV viewership, that type of thing.

750
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: It just goes to show there are two worlds, two

751
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: lenses through which people view this sport. You've got the

752
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: business executives who are looking at it in terms of hey,

753
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: Florida State might be a value add You've got the

754
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: rest of us who don't want to see too much upheaval.

755
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm with you on the super League thing. I mean,

756
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: for as much as as I think I hold dear

757
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: the idea of promotion relegation just because I've seen the

758
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: drama that can create. Yeah, I don't know if there

759
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: is a way to do that in college football that

760
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: doesn't just blow everything up, doesn't just blow everything up,

761
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: as you said, as we hold dear.

762
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 2: I think the biggest argument against promotion relegation is I

763
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: don't think that the teams that would annually be at

764
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: threat for being relegated. I don't think they're going to

765
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: have the type of fan loyalty that teams in Europe

766
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: or England or Scotland or wherever happen to have that

767
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: they're going to be right or die for. Who's the

768
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: team that JJ wat co owns is that Burnley? Burnley?

769
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 2: Like I know nothing about Burnley. This is a bad example.

770
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: I imagine the people and they're in the second tier?

771
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: Correct, I believe? Is that called the championshipfl Yeah, the championship.

772
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: The championship. I imagine people have Burnley. There are more

773
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: people who feel more complicated, passionate emotion about that football

774
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: club to use the proper parliaance or whatever than Duke football.

775
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: Care Field, be careful.

776
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: I know that there are diehard Duke football fans, but

777
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: if Duke were relegated, they'd just be like, well, we're

778
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: going to focus more on basketball, focus more on finding

779
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: the next Cooper flag.

780
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

781
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: And so that I think is the actual problem that

782
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: you're You're risking losing for a long time a fan

783
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: base that is going to care and donate money and

784
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: help support the team.

785
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

786
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: I here's what I want the ever Bolerhood to weigh

787
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: in with. Truly, this is where I was going with this.

788
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 3: Let's say twenty thirty twenty thirty one comes around, what

789
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: is your prediction. I'm not asking you, I'm asking them

790
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: for boler Hood. What is your prediction for what happens?

791
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: And I suspect this is opening a Pandora's box to

792
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: a whole load of or castic answers. You can go

793
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: that direction if you want to. I'm okay with that.

794
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: But again, anywhere you can leave a comment, be it

795
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: out on YouTube or Spotify, or just down on social media,

796
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: hit us up on emails, verbal at gmail dot com.

797
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: We get a thousand messages every time we put a

798
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: show out. I would very much welcome what people think

799
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 3: happens next, because this was the thing that I was watching,

800
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: and you know this I've been talking about Florida State

801
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: for an eternity and how it felt to me like

802
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 3: Florida State was the next, maybe the last big shoot

803
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: of fall. The ultimate big shoot of fall is Notre Dame.

804
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,959
Speaker 3: But my theory all along has been a Florida State

805
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: goes and if suddenly the ACC implodes upon itself, what

806
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: happens to Notre Dame? That could be the sign for

807
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: Notre Dame to jump in and get into a conference.

808
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: And look if they get the kind of deal that

809
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 3: they got when they signed on with the College Football

810
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 3: Playoff where they don't have to div you that money

811
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: out and like they actually ended up getting a pretty

812
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 3: good deal after all of a sudden, maybe that changes

813
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: the calculus a little. But if Florida State leaves, if

814
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: the a SEC becomes untenable, I think that has far

815
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: reaching ramifications for schools like Notre Dame and really just

816
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: the sport as a whole. That's what I am fearful

817
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 3: of Florida State Clemson leaving and then boom, everything blows

818
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: up again. I don't really want to see that, right.

819
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: That shouldn't stop us from commenting wherever we can. If

820
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: we're listening to the show. I'm speaking in a very

821
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 3: odd tense here. Let us know what your thoughts are

822
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: on what happens next, because we've got a stay of

823
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: execution here of about five years.

824
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: All I can tell you is when you look around,

825
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: whether it's corporations, whether it's schools, whether it's whatever, there

826
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: are very few instances of the most advantaged groups or

827
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: the most advantaged people or the most advantaged corporations who

828
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: have the most money, who make the most money, saying

829
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: we've made enough.

830
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 3: Never happens.

831
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: We're doing well enough. Everybody seems to be doing pretty

832
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: well here at whatever, and so like, let's just be cool.

833
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: That doesn't seem to be the case in any walk

834
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: of life all that often. So to say that like

835
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State or Oregon, or Alabama or Notre Dame is

836
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: going to look at the landscape of college football money

837
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: and say, what could we do to make sure this

838
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: sport is healthy for the long term? Versus are we

839
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: really maximizing shareholder value for Notre Dame, Oregon, Alabama, Fenn State,

840
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Louisiana State, whatever. Like, all I know is that's generally

841
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: the direction of the most advantaged corporations and places and

842
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 2: entities that they never seem to feel like they're growing enough,

843
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: especially as compared to their competitors, And so to think

844
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: that college football will be any different when new TV

845
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: deals are at the negotiation tables, I think it would

846
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: be pretty silly. Now, he says, holding up a single finger.

847
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: If you're watching on YouTube dot com slash soliverbal or

848
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: the solibble atlibal. Yeah, the smartest person in the room,

849
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: we'll say, why don't we organize the sport in a

850
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: way that would make the public very happy and trick

851
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: them into thinking we're going back to the way it

852
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: used to be, But at the same time we're also

853
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: consolidating power. So what I'm saying is Tony Petiti controls

854
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: the quote unquote new look Big ten that features it

855
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 2: happens to feature a ten team Pacific Division something like that.

856
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: That's what somebody smart will do. That they'll make people

857
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: think they're going back to what they really want well,

858
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: but at the same time further case and solidating their

859
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: own power and hopefully giving both parties something that they like.

860
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: But truly, there's really very little evidence. You know, you

861
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: hear about like maybe Patagonia was one of those companies

862
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: or something like we don't need to expand forever. You

863
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: hear about those every so often. But maybe I'm wrong

864
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: about Patagonia. But it's hard to see a universe in

865
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: which the people a top, for instance, Wisconsin are saying like, well,

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Speaker 2: the Wisconsin Badgers are happy with the amount of money

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Speaker 2: we're making it.

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Speaker 3: Right, Ohio State, it's Ohio State's not putting sharing is

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Speaker 3: carrying up on the right, on the back of the car. Right.

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Speaker 3: It's just not it's not the world that we're living in.

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Speaker 2: It's not the point of unfortunately, what we're seeing around

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Speaker 2: us in twenty twenty five. So that's you know, the

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Speaker 2: betting money, if you're so inclined, is on the people

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Speaker 2: that are most advantaged trying to eke out every single

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Speaker 3: Why don't we leave it there? Dan Again, you can

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Speaker 3: weigh in wherever you can leave a comment on this pod.

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Speaker 3: We'd appreciate it. Solidverbal at gmail dot com is the email.

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Speaker 3: You can always email us. You can always post to

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Speaker 3: us on social. We read everything. We don't always read

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Speaker 3: it right away, but we do get around to reading it.

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Speaker 3: I promise you I spend a good chunk of my

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Speaker 3: week doing that, so we will see it. If you've

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Speaker 3: got something to say, we welcome your opinion on the matter. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we very much appreciate David Hale's time. He was about

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Speaker 3: to go to a presser with Bill Belichick, so he

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Speaker 3: took time out of his busy day found a spot

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Speaker 3: quite enough spot that he could do the interview with us.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate his insight. He's done a good job

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Speaker 3: reporting on this story. He does a great job, by

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Speaker 3: the way, every Sunday morning doing his little whip around comment.

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Speaker 3: It's like, absolutely it's a central reading, a central reading

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Speaker 3: if you're a college football fan. David truly does a

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Speaker 3: really good job covering the sport, and we again are

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Speaker 3: grateful that finally got him on the show.

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Speaker 2: Took too long, you ever, sorry, it was the whole

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Speaker 2: time I was going through that soapbox diatribe of mine.

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Speaker 2: You ever go to a restaurant, like a chain restaurant,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, man, the fries just got so much worse,

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Speaker 2: Like they switch up an ingredient at take your pick

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Speaker 2: at Chili's killed them right, or like, man, the Chipotle

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Speaker 2: portions are way down from where they used to be

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Speaker 2: or like they changed out the steak and it's just

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Speaker 2: it's tough and gristly. And you ever sit across the

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Speaker 2: table from somebody that says, I hear you, but shareholder

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Speaker 2: values through the roof at Chipotle, and you're like Joel Klatt,

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Speaker 2: not now, And it's the saddest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Nobody actually says that, But that's what I think about,

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Speaker 2: Like who would ever feel good about like something that's

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Speaker 2: objectively making your life worse, but it's good for the

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Speaker 2: corporation that the fries are no longer fried in beef

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Speaker 2: tallow or something and taste like garbage, Like, come on,

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Speaker 2: everybody's leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, David Way, and let us know your thoughts,

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Speaker 3: We'll be back next week. Two new episodes as always,

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Speaker 3: for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubenstein,

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Speaker 3: for myself, tie Hilda Brand and you listen to the

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