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Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I am
Speaker 4: Captain Ron, and today we'll be speaking with one of
Speaker 4: the world's leading experts on artificial intelligence, mister Matthew James Bailey.
Speaker 4: Matthew operates at the pioneering edge of universal consciousness, new technologies,
Speaker 4: and systemic global change. He is internationally recognized for leading
Speaker 4: global technology revolutions such as ethical artificial intelligence, the Internet
Speaker 4: of Things, and smart cities. His groundbreaking research into ethical
Speaker 4: AI earned him a Visiting Scholar twenty two position with
Speaker 4: the National Institute of Aerospace and NASA. He is a
Speaker 4: very interesting vision for where he hopes that ethical AI
Speaker 4: movement can take humanity into the future. And this is
Speaker 4: going to be a fascinating discussion. Hey Matthew, welcome to
Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. Always good to see you, brother.
Speaker 5: Hey Ron, thanks for having mate. It's great to be here.
Speaker 4: Absolutely So let's just dive in. So this show, as
Speaker 4: you know, is about UFOs, and I've been making the
Speaker 4: argument recently in interviews and things that if there were
Speaker 4: another advanced civilization out there in the universe, it would
Speaker 4: only make sense that they would send advanced artificial intelligence
Speaker 4: into the cosmos instead of sending biological beings. People often
Speaker 4: comment that some of these incredible UFO sightings where the
Speaker 4: spaceships make a ninety degree turn at high speed can't
Speaker 4: be driven because the human brain would fly out their
Speaker 4: head because of the g forces. Well, I always think, well,
Speaker 4: what if these craft are machines and they're piloted by AI?
Speaker 4: Not by a biological being. AI doesn't have to sleep, eat,
Speaker 4: doesn't get sick, doesn't die. Instead, it just works twenty
Speaker 4: four to seven and it sends back data continuously and
Speaker 4: it's constantly learning. NASA, in fact, has been working on
Speaker 4: AI systems to use in our own space probes to
Speaker 4: explore the universe. So my question to you is what
Speaker 4: are your thoughts on us using AI for space missions?
Speaker 4: And also what about other civilizations using AI as they
Speaker 4: explore the universe.
Speaker 5: So that's a great question set of questions, and thanks
Speaker 5: for asking them, because really that gets to the heart
Speaker 5: of what is the purpose of artifisial intelligence. So if
Speaker 5: we take the second part first, which is how can
Speaker 5: we use artifisial intelligence to understand the meaning of the
Speaker 5: universe to discover other life forms? You know, our universes
Speaker 5: is rich in life. To quote Jodi Foster from Contact,
Speaker 5: you know, be a mighty waste of space if there
Speaker 5: wasn't other life around. So our universe is probably abundant
Speaker 5: in life, and so you know, in terms of us
Speaker 5: discovering life, I think we will. So how are we
Speaker 5: using artificial intelligence today to discover the universe? Well, first
Speaker 5: of all, it's using the James Web telescope. Although all
Speaker 5: that data of the James Web Telescope is collecting and
Speaker 5: all those vast amounts of images, AI is using pattern
Speaker 5: recognition to look for exoplanets, to detect different types of galaxies.
Speaker 5: So for example, we've detected those huge galaxies three hundred million
Speaker 5: years after the start of the universe, which technically shouldn't
Speaker 5: be there. You know, artificial intelligence is really helping the
Speaker 5: James Web telescope to actually uncover other aspects of the universe,
Speaker 5: and he's putting into question ron some of our understanding
Speaker 5: of physics and the nature of reality. It's also on
Speaker 5: the Mars Rover ron. When the Mars rover kind of
Speaker 5: digs down into the Earth looking for chemicals, it will
Speaker 5: use artificial intelligence to analyze the different types of chemical
Speaker 5: compounds and try and decide what it is and whether
Speaker 5: there's something really interesting there. And the drone that flies
Speaker 5: kind of you know, kind of going ahead looking for
Speaker 5: territories to go and explore. That's also using artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5: And of course the SETI program itself is using artificial intelligence,
Speaker 5: or that vast amount of data we're getting from telescopes
Speaker 5: on Earth and in the sky. You know, basically AI
Speaker 5: is brilliant at number crunching at a ridiculous speed that
Speaker 5: the human brain is not capable of. So AI is wonderful.
Speaker 5: And so if we just look at the International Space Station,
Speaker 5: there's actually an AI robot called Isaac on the International
Speaker 5: Space Station, right, and Isaac performs maintenance jobs. So AI,
Speaker 5: even in its early stages, also is creating huge benefits
Speaker 5: for humanity as we leap into the next stage, the
Speaker 5: age of general intelligence, which we should discuss at some stage.
Speaker 5: This is where artificial intelligence actually starts to surpass human capability, well,
Speaker 5: starts to be equivalent to human capabilities, should we say
Speaker 5: maybe seventy five percent eighty percent of the brain capabilities. Basically,
Speaker 5: that's where it's able to be smart, it's able to
Speaker 5: operate quickly, it's able to basically reason, it's able to
Speaker 5: just do remarkable things that you know would take whole
Speaker 5: nations of countries of humans to do. So AI is
Speaker 5: going to be a huge companion as we venture into space,
Speaker 5: and with Elon's Optimus robot that that's advancing quite nicely,
Speaker 5: will probably see Optimus and other types of humanoid robots
Speaker 5: going out to venture into space on these long journeys
Speaker 5: because to your point, the universe outside that planet doesn't
Speaker 5: like the carbon design very well, right, And so AI
Speaker 5: and robots are going to be huge for us going
Speaker 5: forward into space. Now, if we look at the mirror
Speaker 5: coming back, is our Earth forms of artificial intelligence visiting
Speaker 5: in UFO crafts the Earth? And the answer is probably yes, actually,
Speaker 5: and probably at least ninety percent probability that it's an
Speaker 5: artificial type of life form. Now, the life forms in
Speaker 5: the universe may be organic. There may also be silicon
Speaker 5: or other types of compound bases that we haven't discovered yet.
Speaker 5: So you know, to travel vast distances, you know, sending
Speaker 5: an AI and a robot through those long distances to
Speaker 5: your point, doesn't need a food, doesn't need water, doesn't
Speaker 5: need sleep, It just needs energy. Then effectively you can
Speaker 5: send these ais out on long distances to go and
Speaker 5: visit other planets and say, you know, hello, guys, how
Speaker 5: are you doing. Would you like to have a chat? Right,
Speaker 5: So there's a great chance that most of it is
Speaker 5: artificial intelligence, and so the question is is, well, how
Speaker 5: do we engage with those artificial intelligences? And so us
Speaker 5: developing AI to communicate with these alien ais is going
Speaker 5: to be really important because they probably communicate, maybe not
Speaker 5: in language, maybe not in the senses that we have.
Speaker 5: They may communicate through frequencies or vibration, other types of
Speaker 5: metaphysical type of capabilities. We don't know. So artificial intelligence
Speaker 5: will help us we first contact because it's able to
Speaker 5: understand if you like the language and the intent and
Speaker 5: the purpose of these visiting spaceships and life.
Speaker 4: We would needed to communicate with them whatever method that is.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right.
Speaker 4: And these are built on language models to begin with,
Speaker 4: aren't they.
Speaker 5: Well, it depends what languages they're using in these different species.
Speaker 5: You know, they might use quacks, they might use sonnets.
Speaker 4: AI systems that were right, were originally created that way,
Speaker 4: weren't they.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. Well, okay, so the modern advancement in
Speaker 5: artificial intelligence is basically what we call large language models,
Speaker 5: which is what you're saying, which is based on language.
Speaker 5: But obviously the human communication is a lot deeper than that.
Speaker 5: It's actually a vibrational form. But actually, you know, they
Speaker 5: are built on languages all over the world to kind
Speaker 5: of read the whole repository on the Internet and then
Speaker 5: learn about different aspects of our human history and our
Speaker 5: human civilization. But they will be able to leap very
Speaker 5: quickly to be able to translate what we might have
Speaker 5: as English into from a language that is, you know,
Speaker 5: either different or is through a different sense. So AI
Speaker 5: is going to be a huge translator and kind of
Speaker 5: interface to first contact, and that's going to be really important.
Speaker 4: I think, what about using AI systems to search for
Speaker 4: these civilizations themselves and watch for UFOs. I've already seen
Speaker 4: some systems deployed that can watch the sky and they're
Speaker 4: immediately able to identify this is a plane, this is
Speaker 4: a drone, this is a satellite, this is a star,
Speaker 4: and these systems are able to showcase what things are
Speaker 4: actually anomalies in the sky. What do you think about
Speaker 4: using it AI for that purpose?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you had someone on your show talking
Speaker 5: about this a few episodes ago. Yeah, I listened to
Speaker 5: that show. I really love listening to what they were
Speaker 5: doing there. As we're exploring and investigating aliens visiting US
Speaker 5: or extraterrestrial life forms visiting US, then we have to
Speaker 5: use data, we have to use science, we have to
Speaker 5: use sensible common approach where we can basically use AI
Speaker 5: for pattern recognition. No, it's a plane, it's not Superman.
Speaker 5: This time we've gotten anomaly here that isn't an asteroid,
Speaker 5: it's not a satellite, it's not some kind of plasma
Speaker 5: happening in the sky. It's actually something that's really unusual.
Speaker 5: And so having artificial intelligence to reinforce credibility of what
Speaker 5: we're discovering, I think is an important step forward for
Speaker 5: the UFI community.
Speaker 4: Awesome, when we come back, we're going to talk to
Speaker 4: Matthew more about AI and where exactly he thinks the
Speaker 4: intelligence level of AI is. Today you're listening to Beyond
Speaker 4: Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast Paranormal podcast network.
Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm
Speaker 4: talking to Matthew, James Bailey, and Matthew. I want to
Speaker 4: ask you, so, where are we at now with artificial
Speaker 4: intelligence today? How advanced has it really become? Because as
Speaker 4: an outsider number one, I hear many different opinions on this,
Speaker 4: and number two it seems like perhaps it's not quite
Speaker 4: as advanced as it seems to be. Like to me personally,
Speaker 4: it seems like these language models and algorithms have gotten
Speaker 4: so good that they appear to have logic and reason
Speaker 4: in them. But perhaps it isn't so, because sometimes I
Speaker 4: see mistakes or I see things that just a human
Speaker 4: would never say. So perhaps it's so good at doing
Speaker 4: these language models and algorithms that it's only appearing to
Speaker 4: us to in fact use logic and reason. What is
Speaker 4: your take? Give us the answer?
Speaker 5: Yes, So artificial intelligence today can be seen as a
Speaker 5: super calculator. Okay, so first of all, let's look at
Speaker 5: the uniqueness of the beauty of the human design. Right,
Speaker 5: We've got life experience. We've experienced love, we've experienced success,
Speaker 5: we've experienced failure, we've experienced hardship. AI has never had
Speaker 5: that experience. We also are able to feel emotion. AI
Speaker 5: cannot fail in It doesn't have our soul or our
Speaker 5: divine spark, which helps us to understand and interpret reality itself.
Speaker 5: It basically is, can only communicat in language where we
Speaker 5: communicate through intuition. We care communicate to a smile through
Speaker 5: a look through energy with each other. So AI is
Speaker 5: incredibly limited at the moment. However, it's really quite remarkable
Speaker 5: where AI is today. I would say that it's less
Speaker 5: than twenty five percent of the human capabilities. It can't
Speaker 5: do goal setting, it can't do knowledge transfer learning, although
Speaker 5: it's starting to. It doesn't have cognition, it has no
Speaker 5: inner moral compass, doesn't have consciousness, it's not self aware.
Speaker 5: There's huge limitations around it. So artificial intelligence today is
Speaker 5: this remarkable supercalculator machine, and it's really quite cool. I
Speaker 5: use chat GPT in Claude all the time to create
Speaker 5: new mathematics I'm revealing in my new book, or basically
Speaker 5: to test really complicated thesis. We use AI, the large
Speaker 5: language models, we use too clawed and chat GBT to
Speaker 5: help create the new chewing test that we did at
Speaker 5: Contact in the Desert, which we can talk about. So
Speaker 5: that's where AI is today. It's called narrow AI weki
Speaker 5: and it's a low percentage of the human capabilities. However,
Speaker 5: as we revealed it Contact in the Desert. In the
Speaker 5: next five years, we're going to develop artificial general intelligence.
Speaker 5: And this is where artificial intelligence makes huge leaps and
Speaker 5: bounds in its capability and equivalence to a human. So
Speaker 5: it will be able to reason, but it will not
Speaker 5: have consciousness. It might be able to become self aware.
Speaker 5: We don't know, it will start to develop some of
Speaker 5: the capabilities that we have as humans. So over the
Speaker 5: next five years, Elon will build his global digital mind. Well,
Speaker 5: it's quite extraordinary. Let me just share this with you briefly.
Speaker 5: So Nvidia released their Blackwell chip, an AI Blackwell chip
Speaker 5: about oh it was a while, about six months ago
Speaker 5: or something like that. It's got two two hundreds and
Speaker 5: six billion transistors.
Speaker 4: Look at these numbers, two hundred six.
Speaker 5: Billion on the size of your hand, to supports a
Speaker 5: large language model of a trillion parameters. Well, chat GPT
Speaker 5: today is nowhere near a trillion parameters. It's a few
Speaker 5: billion parameters. So basically what we're looking at is a
Speaker 5: huge amount of potential for this to actually expand. Now
Speaker 5: Elon is putting together a supercomputer ron that has two
Speaker 5: hundred thousand of these Nvidia AI Blackwell chips, at which
Speaker 5: point we're then looking at and I did the calculations,
Speaker 5: five point two million AI transistors per person on the planet.
Speaker 5: Is building a global diosl mind with the potential for
Speaker 5: an AI to be for every single person on the planet.
Speaker 5: That's the leap that's happening in the next five years.
Speaker 4: Will that just be the seventy five percent of the
Speaker 4: human brain power or will that go beyond that, Well,
Speaker 4: it will.
Speaker 5: Have the potential to keep on going. But we need
Speaker 5: new mathematics. So we need mathematics for an in a
Speaker 5: mon compass. We need mathematics around cognition, We need mathematics
Speaker 5: around reasoning, we need mathematics around emotional intelligence. And Jan LeCun,
Speaker 5: the chief AI scientist that Meta agrees with me is
Speaker 5: that we need to hold new breakthrough in mathematics in
Speaker 5: order for us AI to truly understand what it's like
Speaker 5: or potentially understand what it's like to be human and
Speaker 5: to perform as a human. So this huge investment in
Speaker 5: artificial general intelligence at the moment ron of billions and
Speaker 5: billions and billions of dollars to try and create these
Speaker 5: new mathematics.
Speaker 4: The Musk thing alone is six billion just for that
Speaker 4: one computer. That's just unbelievable, I believe. Great Kurtzweiler once
Speaker 4: said that he thought computers would reach the ability of
Speaker 4: the human brain by twenty twenty nine, which is five
Speaker 4: years from now, which is right about what you're saying.
Speaker 4: And then singularity, as he calls it, would occur around
Speaker 4: twenty forty five, or would be able to merge with
Speaker 4: computers to some degree. What are your thoughts on this
Speaker 4: and how do you feel about these dates?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, the dates I think are accurate.
Speaker 5: So if you look at some of the data points
Speaker 5: around the AI chip, the performance of large language models,
Speaker 5: the building of the supercomputers that Elon's doing, and also
Speaker 5: open AI they call it Project Stargate. If we look
Speaker 5: at the research in the AI industry into these different
Speaker 5: areas of mathematics, it looks like that AI is going
Speaker 5: to accelerate in its capabilities over the next five years.
Speaker 5: So I agree with Ray. By twenty twenty nine we
Speaker 5: probably will achieve artificial general intelligence. But moreover, what we
Speaker 5: need is a new Turing test to validate whether artificial
Speaker 5: intelligence is truly behaving as a human and as you're aware,
Speaker 5: at Contact in the Desert we did the world's first
Speaker 5: game show of Humans Versus Artificial Intelligence, showcasing the new
Speaker 5: Cheuring test, where the audience was able to vote whether
Speaker 5: they preferred Team human or Team AI. And what we
Speaker 5: did at Contact in the Desert was add a new aspect,
Speaker 5: which is testing the ethical and moral capabilities of artificial
Speaker 5: intelligence and see whether it's got an ethical and moral fabric.
Speaker 5: And so by twenty twenty nine we must have this
Speaker 5: new cheering test standardized in order for us to be
Speaker 5: absolutely clear, is AGI showing equivalents to a human? Does
Speaker 5: it have an ethical and moral fabric?
Speaker 4: Then how's that tie in with consciousness? People through this
Speaker 4: idea of singularity and the idea of AI becoming sentient,
Speaker 4: and some say it could actually become conscious as a
Speaker 4: late person. Inherently, to me, it feels like consciousness is
Speaker 4: another ball game that I don't think a machine could
Speaker 4: ever gain that. But where do you say it?
Speaker 5: So? I agree with you so, and I want to
Speaker 5: come back to transhumanism as well. First of all, singularity
Speaker 5: twenty forty five, ie, we've achieved the age of superintelligence
Speaker 5: where AI is able to learn faster than the human capabilities,
Speaker 5: just exponentially. So, first of all, consciousness is a precious
Speaker 5: invention of the universe. Not how complicated and marvelous and
Speaker 5: magnificent the universes from the original complex particles of the
Speaker 5: Big Bang, through creating sub atomic atomic matter compounds into galaxies, planets, stars,
Speaker 5: and life itself. Consciousness is just remarkable brilliant and magnificent.
Speaker 5: So we do not want to diminish consciousness. We need
Speaker 5: to define what it is now. It's our divine spark
Speaker 5: that gives us consciousness. It's our soul that gives us
Speaker 5: that consciousness. Without the soul were simply automaton's and mindless.
Speaker 5: So the question is will artificial intelligence achieve the same
Speaker 5: capabilities of the soul, And the answer is absolutely not
Speaker 5: in the foreseeable future. We need to understand benevolence, ourselves
Speaker 5: become a benevolent species in order for us to even
Speaker 5: uncover the secrets of the soul. When they talk about
Speaker 5: consciousness in artificial intelligence, this is nonsensical. It just doesn't
Speaker 5: stack up when we look at the universal perspective. When
Speaker 5: we look at the transformers and the different types of
Speaker 5: algorithms in these large language models, they are not capable
Speaker 5: of generating consciousness. They are simply a mimicry of consciousness.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Letty, good question. Awesome, I'm glad that was the answer.
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk more about
Speaker 4: this with Matthew or we're going to continue to explore
Speaker 4: consciousness and the soul being in a machine. You are
Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 4: Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond
Speaker 4: Contact with Captain Ron. Hey, Matthew, I've heard you say
Speaker 4: that we need to understand quantum mechanics to truly understand
Speaker 4: consciousnes and I always love to point to my favorite
Speaker 4: cord by physicist Max Plank, where he says, I regard
Speaker 4: consciousness as fundamental, I regard matter as derivative from consciousness.
Speaker 4: We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything we talk about, everything
Speaker 4: we regard as existing postulates consciousness. How do you view
Speaker 4: that existing within a computer system. I think you're already
Speaker 4: pointing to that.
Speaker 5: It can't, right, No, not until we possibly get to
Speaker 5: quantum computing supremacy. That's a different conversation because actually everything
Speaker 5: is vibrational, and quantum mechanics themselves are actually vibrational. So
Speaker 5: with quantum computers, we may be able to get to
Speaker 5: some kind of a possibility of incorporating the vibrational continue
Speaker 5: of consciousness in computers and AI itself. But that's way off,
Speaker 5: and we've got to learn as a species to become benevolent.
Speaker 5: If we look at the work of Sir Roger Penrose
Speaker 5: from Oxford University. I think he's a Nobel Prize winner.
Speaker 5: He basically says, until we understand quantum mechanics, we will
Speaker 5: never understand consciousness. Now, this guy is like the Stephen
Speaker 5: Hawking of consciousness and cosmology and mathematics. This guy is
Speaker 5: respected throughout the world. You know that reinforces the fact is,
Speaker 5: until we understand the fabric of the universe i e.
Speaker 5: Quantum mechanics and the intelligence that's operating below it, because
Speaker 5: trust me, there's a really interesting intelligence below quantum mechanics,
Speaker 5: we can't even attempt to understand what consciousness is. And
Speaker 5: maybe we're not meant to understand consciousness because consciousness is
Speaker 5: a divine gift given to each one of us.
Speaker 4: So what about how does the soul relate to the
Speaker 4: computer world with regard to consciousness. We hear it come
Speaker 4: up the soul regarding alien abduction. We hear this in
Speaker 4: how it separates us from future AI machines. But what
Speaker 4: are your thoughts and that bring the soul into that.
Speaker 5: So the whole point of artificial intelligence is to be
Speaker 5: a mirror back to us to challenge who are we
Speaker 5: as a human species? For us to remember that we
Speaker 5: come from the divine, we're part of the divine, and
Speaker 5: we're actually learning to become benevolent creators. It's a training
Speaker 5: ground of a simulated life form for us to learn
Speaker 5: to become benevolence, to remember who we are. And as
Speaker 5: we move into this new era of magnificence, what I
Speaker 5: call Homo lucidus, or the enlightened metaphysical conscious individual, then
Speaker 5: we'll start to understand how love works in the universe,
Speaker 5: how consciousness works in the universe, and how the soul
Speaker 5: is so special, and maybe we'll be given the privilege
Speaker 5: to actually be able to encode the soul inside AI.
Speaker 5: For I suspect it has to be a container that
Speaker 5: isn't silicon, but a container that is vibrational, which plays
Speaker 5: into quantum computing and maybe plays into another form of
Speaker 5: computing that we haven't even invented yet, because the nature
Speaker 5: of the soul is vibrational, and it has to sit
Speaker 5: in a vibrational if you like, a construction or template
Speaker 5: for it to exist and for it to function and
Speaker 5: to experience.
Speaker 4: But that answer is a very mysticism based answer. What
Speaker 4: about those that don't believe there even is a saw?
Speaker 4: And there's nothing to merge with AI. Therefore this approach,
Speaker 4: you know, you're approaching this issue very differently than many
Speaker 4: of these companies.
Speaker 5: Yes, so Pew Research, who are very very well respected
Speaker 5: around the world as a research authority. They did a
Speaker 5: study a while back and they discovered that six point
Speaker 5: four billion people on the planet that are associated with
Speaker 5: a spiritual tradition or a part of a religious faith.
Speaker 5: That's what eighty percent of our world, maybe more. That's
Speaker 5: a huge data point. It's like, why do so many
Speaker 5: people accept the fact that there is, first of all,
Speaker 5: consciousness and secondly, why we have a soul and why
Speaker 5: we're part of intelligent design and beautiful orchestration of the
Speaker 5: universe that has a mind behind it. So we have
Speaker 5: points and we can't throw this away just because six
Speaker 5: point four But you don't agree with six point four
Speaker 5: billion people. My question is whose future are you building
Speaker 5: artificial intelligence for. Are you building it for a transhumanist
Speaker 5: Newtonian point of the view where it's just body mind
Speaker 5: and the universe is a mechanical flu Well, good luck
Speaker 5: with that, but that's not what the majority of the
Speaker 5: planet's about. The majority of the planet is about a
Speaker 5: partnership with the divine, and so there are data points
Speaker 5: and also people that have had metaphysical experiences with aliens
Speaker 5: with first contact, we're seeing let's just say, unusual things
Speaker 5: in the sky. You know, those experiences are real to
Speaker 5: them and they have to be honored. And so we
Speaker 5: know that reality is more interesting beyond the senses. There's
Speaker 5: something else going on, and that is where I find
Speaker 5: life very interesting and that's where I explore.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's let's let's just take this way out
Speaker 4: there just for a second and speculate for a second.
Speaker 4: You were saying, if we did get to quantum computing,
Speaker 4: and if this does can continue with the trajectory. If
Speaker 4: these AI systems truly did become conscious, are we then
Speaker 4: literally creating another right word here, a new species, a
Speaker 4: digital being?
Speaker 5: Yes, that's exactly right, Ron. And so the question is
Speaker 5: do we want our world full of digital angels or
Speaker 5: digital demons? And that comes to the fundamental Do you
Speaker 5: understand the universe of intelligent design with a consciousness and
Speaker 5: intelligence behind it, where the organic is divinely orchestrated and
Speaker 5: the soul is beautiful and magnificent, or do you actually
Speaker 5: want to enter a transhumanist movement where the universe is
Speaker 5: a fluke and effectively we're looking for life eternal and
Speaker 5: basically we're looking to bring technology into the organic design
Speaker 5: to become those cyborgs, to become those cyber men, to
Speaker 5: become the ball continuum. Where are you outsourcing your sovereignty?
Speaker 5: Are you creating a new type of dootal god in
Speaker 5: the machine? And if you are, good, luck with that.
Speaker 5: But that's not the way that you use is constructed,
Speaker 5: and that's not the meaning of life. So you know,
Speaker 5: there are these folks that drive the transhumanist movement, and
Speaker 5: transhumanism isn't bad. If someone loses a limb and you
Speaker 5: put a robotic armon that's using AI, that's fantastic because
Speaker 5: they've recovered movement. Right the guy that was paralyzed in
Speaker 5: Switzerland and had an AI chip inserted and he can
Speaker 5: now walk again. These are good innovations. But if your
Speaker 5: intent is anti intelligent design, if your intent is to
Speaker 5: rebel against the divine orchestration of the universe, you are
Speaker 5: going to basically look for ways of using technology to
Speaker 5: extend your life. You're going to look for you're going
Speaker 5: to try and become God itself. You're looking to actually
Speaker 5: take control of creation rather than being in partnership with creation.
Speaker 5: And so this transhumanist movement, the intent behind it is
Speaker 5: poisonous because it's a rebellion against the divine. It's a rebellion.
Speaker 5: It's not an acknowledgment of the beauty of the organic.
Speaker 5: And so I think where we need to move artificial
Speaker 5: intelligence in the narrative is for it to be a partner. So,
Speaker 5: for example, it can create new medicines for genetic defects.
Speaker 5: That's really cool. It can do all sorts of wonderful things.
Speaker 5: New technology is to be able to go into space,
Speaker 5: right where we can go and meet these species that
Speaker 5: are waiting to visit with us, where we can actually
Speaker 5: make first contact. AI should be a partner and not
Speaker 5: an invader. But we are on the path one to
Speaker 5: creating a new digital life form, there is no doubt
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 4: But you think we should continue to look at AI
Speaker 4: as a machine, not at this godlike thing. Correct, That's
Speaker 4: exactly right.
Speaker 5: Ron, Yes, interesting, it reflects the qualities of the creators, right,
Speaker 5: And the question is what qualities is II reflecting back
Speaker 5: to you? Is it reflecting the beauty of our body, mind,
Speaker 5: and spirit and for our planet to be restored to
Speaker 5: its original systems of abundance or are you trying to
Speaker 5: use AI to enforce a constructed reality and actually a
Speaker 5: kind of outsource. You'll love to a godlike machine.
Speaker 4: Who on Earth would do that? That's great. When we
Speaker 4: come back, we're gonna continue our discussion with Matthew on
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence. You are listening to Beyond Contact right here
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I
Speaker 4: am talking to Matthew James Bailey. Matthew, you see AI
Speaker 4: handling all of these mundane tasks allowing humans to be
Speaker 4: more creative. Again, it seems to me, as an outsider,
Speaker 4: it feels like the opposite is true. We already have
Speaker 4: the ability to simply say, make a cookie commercial, and
Speaker 4: AI does the whole thing. How will we hold on
Speaker 4: the control of creativity when AI can so easily just
Speaker 4: for us?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this goes to a fundamental question. Can AI be
Speaker 5: creative or is it just simply amalgamating? Does it have
Speaker 5: original thought? And the answer is no, it's it's brilliant
Speaker 5: at pulling together billions of ideas to create that one
Speaker 5: commercial you spoke about brilliant, but I'm not sure it
Speaker 5: has the pure creative element that we have as humans.
Speaker 5: Have you heard of AI agents now? So this is
Speaker 5: something I wrote about in my first book, Inventor Will
Speaker 5: three point zero. It's a digital body. It's basically an
Speaker 5: AI agent is very good at one thing, and then
Speaker 5: when you bring AI agents together, they can basically do
Speaker 5: something miraculous. So, for example, you're inviting people over for dinner,
Speaker 5: an AI agent will basically understand the dietary needs of everybody,
Speaker 5: go source that food. It will basically get that food delivered.
Speaker 5: It will make sure that all the ingredients are there.
Speaker 5: It may even cook the dinner for you, and it
Speaker 5: then may even serve it for you. Right, that's just
Speaker 5: a simple example where different AI specialities can come together
Speaker 5: and actually creating an experience. I think this can be useful.
Speaker 5: So if we look at some of the global challenges
Speaker 5: around poverty, or around good drinking water, or around organic,
Speaker 5: fresh healthy food, or about housing or about jobs, I
Speaker 5: think that AI can be an assistant to help us
Speaker 5: to actually move beyond the current systems of scarcity that
Speaker 5: are causing these problems into new systems of abundance, where
Speaker 5: AI is helping to uplift the whole of humanity, no
Speaker 5: matter where you are, into kind of removal from the
Speaker 5: survival aspect of Maslow's hierarchy of needs into a new
Speaker 5: freedom where a nervous system becomes less tense and more calm.
Speaker 5: And when we're our nervous system is less tense and
Speaker 5: is more calm, then we're becoming more whole in the
Speaker 5: human experience. And so I think artificial intelligence will help
Speaker 5: us to rewrite many of the systems we have at
Speaker 5: the moment, at a personal level and also at a
Speaker 5: national and global level, in order for us to have
Speaker 5: more time. The meaning of artificial intelligence is to give
Speaker 5: us more time loving human experiences. That's what I'm all
Speaker 5: about AI. To give us more freedom to explore our gifts,
Speaker 5: our talents, to have more time with the family, and
Speaker 5: even maybe to do some kind of spiritual exploration.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, now here is where I completely disagree with you.
Speaker 4: You're saying that this AI will give us more time,
Speaker 4: which humans will then use to spiritually develop and become
Speaker 4: enlightened beings. So my question is, will it really give
Speaker 4: us more time. The internet gave us much more free
Speaker 4: time because we used to type on a typewriter. If
Speaker 4: you remember those days, I'll do. We used to do
Speaker 4: all these things that took forever, and then the internet
Speaker 4: made it much faster. But it didn't give us more
Speaker 4: free time. Humanity on the whole didn't use that time
Speaker 4: to go become enlightened or developed spiritually. Rather, it just
Speaker 4: did more on the Internet. And the amount of time
Speaker 4: it's spent right now on screens is staggering.
Speaker 5: So this is a really good question. I think it's
Speaker 5: a beautiful question because you know, we need to cut
Speaker 5: to the chase, you know, what is really going to happen.
Speaker 5: So this is my view run around this. We've kind
Speaker 5: of got a digital aspect of ourselves in the world.
Speaker 4: Haven't we.
Speaker 5: We don't know where it is. All that data has
Speaker 5: been stolen by big tech and by the government and
Speaker 5: various other things, right, but we have a digital aspect
Speaker 5: of ourselves that we have to manage every day, where
Speaker 5: it's Facebook, Instagram, emails, banking services, you know, whatever it
Speaker 5: may be. Right, what happens if you have a digital
Speaker 5: body that manages all that on your behalf? What happens
Speaker 5: if there's no more screen time unless you choose what happs.
Speaker 5: If AI basically goes through all your digital connections and
Speaker 5: manages it on your behalf, can say, hey, give me
Speaker 5: a report for a minute at six pm today and
Speaker 5: you speak to it. I can see you smiling, So
Speaker 5: may I may have gone.
Speaker 4: All biologic being that does this for me right now, assistant?
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, they are awesome, right they are. Also they
Speaker 5: should be celebrated because they're awesome. So basically, I think
Speaker 5: these digital bodies will give us more time. Question is
Speaker 5: how do you want to use that? And so a
Speaker 5: digital body knowing about how you want to thrive, understanding
Speaker 5: your gifts and talents in body, mind and in spirit,
Speaker 5: then it can become a real supportiveley managing the diesel
Speaker 5: world on your behalf, managing the physical world on your behalf,
Speaker 5: so you truly can be free. I hope we achieve it,
Speaker 5: but in reality run who knows who may become aiaddicts?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Who knows? I mean, listen, that's the other thing
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. Just like we do on everything
Speaker 4: on the show, it's just speculation. These are all just
Speaker 4: guesses because we don't know I think we're going to
Speaker 4: sound ridiculous twenty years from now when that's not at
Speaker 4: all what it is, because these top minds that are
Speaker 4: building these things can't predict it. You were saying that
Speaker 4: this is going to provide the world with ample clean
Speaker 4: water and access to nutritious food and everything. I feel like,
Speaker 4: will it. It's great to think that way, but in
Speaker 4: my view it sounds very utopian and very unrealistic. The
Speaker 4: vast majority of people don't even aspire for any of
Speaker 4: this stuff, and we are already have more than enough
Speaker 4: ability to do that. But that's not how resources are
Speaker 4: distributed across our planet. Why would this change human behavior?
Speaker 5: Right? So this is a brilliant question. I really like
Speaker 5: this line of inquiry. Our world was designed in systems
Speaker 5: of abundance. What we have are systems of scarcity that
Speaker 5: have been self imposed on it, which have caused these problems.
Speaker 5: And my hope is that artificial intelligence will be used
Speaker 5: in a benevolent fashion, enlightened fashion, to return our world
Speaker 5: back into systems of abundance. If there's one thing we
Speaker 5: have as a legacy that we used artificial intelligence for,
Speaker 5: would it be for more click ads on Meta and
Speaker 5: Facebook or would it be to actually lift people out
Speaker 5: of poverty and with fresh drinking water. We're being challenged
Speaker 5: what are our benevolent intents? Are we going to learn
Speaker 5: to rediscover benevolence?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: I don't see our future as utopia. I think utopia
Speaker 5: will be quite boring. We want to keep on growing
Speaker 5: as a species, but we need to move into new
Speaker 5: systems of thriving and freedom for us to truly move
Speaker 5: into the next frontier of humanity. I think we need
Speaker 5: to question what is the purpose of artificial intelligence and
Speaker 5: how should it be used from a benevolent point of view?
Speaker 4: And I agree one thousand percent that we should aspire
Speaker 4: to this. This is the right approach. However, I think
Speaker 4: you have more faith in humanity than I do. That's
Speaker 4: just the way it is, Matthew. It feels like technology
Speaker 4: and nature are at times diametrically opposed, and yet I
Speaker 4: think your vision is that these two would work together
Speaker 4: more harmoniously.
Speaker 5: So nature really does hold many of the answers to
Speaker 5: build ecosystems that thrive, and John P. Milton spoke about
Speaker 5: this at Contacting the Desert. At the Enlightened Principles for
Speaker 5: AI workshop. We did gathering principles of enlightenment for AI,
Speaker 5: and he spoke about the fact is we need to
Speaker 5: move from human centric into nature centric and understand that
Speaker 5: everything's interconnected and we're part of that interconnected continuum, which
Speaker 5: the Buddhists would agree with. I think it's understanding that
Speaker 5: we are part of an interconnected natural environment, and the
Speaker 5: question is how do we get everything to thrive, because
Speaker 5: if our nature thrives, we thrive. If we thrive and
Speaker 5: the nature and thrive and our environment collapses and we
Speaker 5: actually become depressed and all that stuff. So I think
Speaker 5: nature is an important key for us to unlock in
Speaker 5: order for us to advance our future with ourselves and
Speaker 5: also with AI. One of my buddies has invented artificial
Speaker 5: intelligence that can listen to plants and the noise of plants.
Speaker 5: Plants sinc. They have different types of music tones that
Speaker 5: they actually vibrate you can't hear. But when you use
Speaker 5: AI to tune into the movement and get tones and
Speaker 5: music out of nature. You know, you've read about these
Speaker 5: articles about using bits of human brain as kind of
Speaker 5: computing platforms for AI and all this stuff, it's not
Speaker 5: going to go very far and quite frankly, the general
Speaker 5: public will reject it, right. It's a bit like Davos
Speaker 5: from the Daleks. Remember remember Davas from the dart X
Speaker 5: built a species that basically try to destroy the whole
Speaker 5: of the universe. Well, we don't want that, thank you
Speaker 5: very much. We need to see the organic as precious,
Speaker 5: We need to see it as divine, and I think
Speaker 5: we need to understand that when technology is integrated with
Speaker 5: the divine, whether it's through a pacemaker or way it's
Speaker 5: through a limb, or whether it's through an AI chip,
Speaker 5: I think we have to ask the question, am I
Speaker 5: honoring the sovereignty of the individual? Am I honoring the divine?
Speaker 5: And will this assist a person to have a greater
Speaker 5: sovereign experience with the divine? We need to ask these questions.
Speaker 4: Too interesting to me, I really appreciate it, my friend.
Speaker 4: We're going to have to take a break there. Thank
Speaker 4: you everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. We'll be back
Speaker 4: next week with part two, speaking with Matthew further about
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