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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week Beyond Contact

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to another episode of Beyond Contact. I am

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Speaker 4: Captain Ron, and today we'll be speaking with one of

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Speaker 4: the world's leading experts on artificial intelligence, mister Matthew James Bailey.

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Speaker 4: Matthew operates at the pioneering edge of universal consciousness, new technologies,

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Speaker 4: and systemic global change. He is internationally recognized for leading

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Speaker 4: global technology revolutions such as ethical artificial intelligence, the Internet

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Speaker 4: of Things, and smart cities. His groundbreaking research into ethical

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Speaker 4: AI earned him a Visiting Scholar twenty two position with

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Speaker 4: the National Institute of Aerospace and NASA. He is a

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Speaker 4: very interesting vision for where he hopes that ethical AI

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Speaker 4: movement can take humanity into the future. And this is

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Speaker 4: going to be a fascinating discussion. Hey Matthew, welcome to

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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. Always good to see you, brother.

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Speaker 5: Hey Ron, thanks for having mate. It's great to be here.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely So let's just dive in. So this show, as

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Speaker 4: you know, is about UFOs, and I've been making the

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Speaker 4: another advanced civilization out there in the universe, it would

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Speaker 4: only make sense that they would send advanced artificial intelligence

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Speaker 4: into the cosmos instead of sending biological beings. People often

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Speaker 4: comment that some of these incredible UFO sightings where the

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Speaker 4: what if these craft are machines and they're piloted by AI?

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Speaker 4: Not by a biological being. AI doesn't have to sleep, eat,

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Speaker 4: doesn't get sick, doesn't die. Instead, it just works twenty

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Speaker 4: it's constantly learning. NASA, in fact, has been working on

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Speaker 4: And also what about other civilizations using AI as they

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Speaker 5: So that's a great question set of questions, and thanks

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Speaker 5: of what is the purpose of artifisial intelligence. So if

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Speaker 5: we use artifisial intelligence to understand the meaning of the

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Speaker 5: universe to discover other life forms? You know, our universes

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Speaker 5: is rich in life. To quote Jodi Foster from Contact,

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Speaker 4: And these are built on language models to begin with,

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Speaker 5: Well, it depends what languages they're using in these different species.

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Speaker 5: But obviously the human communication is a lot deeper than that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So artificial intelligence today can be seen as a

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Speaker 5: It basically is, can only communicat in language where we

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Speaker 5: where AI is today. I would say that it's less

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Speaker 4: Contact with Captain Ron. Hey, Matthew, I've heard you say

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Speaker 5: But that's not the way that you use is constructed,

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Speaker 5: and that's not the meaning of life. So you know,

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Speaker 5: there are these folks that drive the transhumanist movement, and

436
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Speaker 5: transhumanism isn't bad. If someone loses a limb and you

437
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Speaker 5: put a robotic armon that's using AI, that's fantastic because

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Speaker 5: they've recovered movement. Right the guy that was paralyzed in

439
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Speaker 5: Switzerland and had an AI chip inserted and he can

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Speaker 5: now walk again. These are good innovations. But if your

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Speaker 5: intent is anti intelligent design, if your intent is to

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Speaker 5: rebel against the divine orchestration of the universe, you are

443
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Speaker 5: going to basically look for ways of using technology to

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Speaker 5: extend your life. You're going to look for you're going

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Speaker 5: to try and become God itself. You're looking to actually

446
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Speaker 5: take control of creation rather than being in partnership with creation.

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Speaker 5: And so this transhumanist movement, the intent behind it is

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Speaker 5: poisonous because it's a rebellion against the divine. It's a rebellion.

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Speaker 5: It's not an acknowledgment of the beauty of the organic.

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Speaker 5: And so I think where we need to move artificial

451
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Speaker 5: intelligence in the narrative is for it to be a partner. So,

452
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Speaker 5: for example, it can create new medicines for genetic defects.

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Speaker 5: That's really cool. It can do all sorts of wonderful things.

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Speaker 5: New technology is to be able to go into space,

455
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Speaker 5: right where we can go and meet these species that

456
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Speaker 5: are waiting to visit with us, where we can actually

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Speaker 5: make first contact. AI should be a partner and not

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Speaker 5: an invader. But we are on the path one to

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Speaker 5: creating a new digital life form, there is no doubt

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Speaker 5: about that.

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Speaker 4: But you think we should continue to look at AI

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Speaker 4: as a machine, not at this godlike thing. Correct, That's

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Speaker 4: exactly right.

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Speaker 5: Ron, Yes, interesting, it reflects the qualities of the creators, right,

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Speaker 5: And the question is what qualities is II reflecting back

466
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Speaker 5: to you? Is it reflecting the beauty of our body, mind,

467
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Speaker 5: and spirit and for our planet to be restored to

468
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Speaker 5: its original systems of abundance or are you trying to

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Speaker 5: use AI to enforce a constructed reality and actually a

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Speaker 5: kind of outsource. You'll love to a godlike machine.

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Speaker 4: Who on Earth would do that? That's great. When we

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Speaker 4: come back, we're gonna continue our discussion with Matthew on

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Speaker 4: artificial intelligence. You are listening to Beyond Contact right here

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Speaker 4: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network.

475
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Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I

476
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Speaker 4: am talking to Matthew James Bailey. Matthew, you see AI

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Speaker 4: handling all of these mundane tasks allowing humans to be

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Speaker 4: more creative. Again, it seems to me, as an outsider,

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Speaker 4: it feels like the opposite is true. We already have

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Speaker 4: the ability to simply say, make a cookie commercial, and

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Speaker 4: AI does the whole thing. How will we hold on

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Speaker 4: the control of creativity when AI can so easily just

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Speaker 4: for us?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this goes to a fundamental question. Can AI be

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Speaker 5: creative or is it just simply amalgamating? Does it have

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Speaker 5: original thought? And the answer is no, it's it's brilliant

487
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Speaker 5: at pulling together billions of ideas to create that one

488
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Speaker 5: commercial you spoke about brilliant, but I'm not sure it

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Speaker 5: has the pure creative element that we have as humans.

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Speaker 5: Have you heard of AI agents now? So this is

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Speaker 5: something I wrote about in my first book, Inventor Will

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Speaker 5: three point zero. It's a digital body. It's basically an

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Speaker 5: AI agent is very good at one thing, and then

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Speaker 5: when you bring AI agents together, they can basically do

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Speaker 5: something miraculous. So, for example, you're inviting people over for dinner,

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Speaker 5: an AI agent will basically understand the dietary needs of everybody,

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Speaker 5: go source that food. It will basically get that food delivered.

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Speaker 5: It will make sure that all the ingredients are there.

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Speaker 5: It may even cook the dinner for you, and it

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Speaker 5: then may even serve it for you. Right, that's just

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Speaker 5: a simple example where different AI specialities can come together

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Speaker 5: and actually creating an experience. I think this can be useful.

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Speaker 5: So if we look at some of the global challenges

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Speaker 5: around poverty, or around good drinking water, or around organic,

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Speaker 5: fresh healthy food, or about housing or about jobs, I

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Speaker 5: think that AI can be an assistant to help us

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Speaker 5: to actually move beyond the current systems of scarcity that

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Speaker 5: are causing these problems into new systems of abundance, where

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Speaker 5: AI is helping to uplift the whole of humanity, no

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Speaker 5: matter where you are, into kind of removal from the

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Speaker 5: survival aspect of Maslow's hierarchy of needs into a new

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Speaker 5: freedom where a nervous system becomes less tense and more calm.

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Speaker 5: And when we're our nervous system is less tense and

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Speaker 5: is more calm, then we're becoming more whole in the

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Speaker 5: human experience. And so I think artificial intelligence will help

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Speaker 5: us to rewrite many of the systems we have at

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Speaker 5: the moment, at a personal level and also at a

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Speaker 5: national and global level, in order for us to have

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Speaker 5: more time. The meaning of artificial intelligence is to give

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Speaker 5: us more time loving human experiences. That's what I'm all

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Speaker 5: about AI. To give us more freedom to explore our gifts,

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Speaker 5: our talents, to have more time with the family, and

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Speaker 5: even maybe to do some kind of spiritual exploration.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, now here is where I completely disagree with you.

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Speaker 4: You're saying that this AI will give us more time,

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Speaker 4: which humans will then use to spiritually develop and become

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Speaker 4: enlightened beings. So my question is, will it really give

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Speaker 4: us more time. The internet gave us much more free

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Speaker 4: time because we used to type on a typewriter. If

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Speaker 4: you remember those days, I'll do. We used to do

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Speaker 4: all these things that took forever, and then the internet

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Speaker 4: made it much faster. But it didn't give us more

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Speaker 4: free time. Humanity on the whole didn't use that time

534
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Speaker 4: to go become enlightened or developed spiritually. Rather, it just

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Speaker 4: did more on the Internet. And the amount of time

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Speaker 4: it's spent right now on screens is staggering.

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Speaker 5: So this is a really good question. I think it's

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Speaker 5: a beautiful question because you know, we need to cut

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Speaker 5: to the chase, you know, what is really going to happen.

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Speaker 5: So this is my view run around this. We've kind

541
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Speaker 5: of got a digital aspect of ourselves in the world.

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Speaker 4: Haven't we.

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Speaker 5: We don't know where it is. All that data has

544
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: been stolen by big tech and by the government and

545
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Speaker 5: various other things, right, but we have a digital aspect

546
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Speaker 5: of ourselves that we have to manage every day, where

547
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Speaker 5: it's Facebook, Instagram, emails, banking services, you know, whatever it

548
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Speaker 5: may be. Right, what happens if you have a digital

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Speaker 5: body that manages all that on your behalf? What happens

550
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Speaker 5: if there's no more screen time unless you choose what happs.

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Speaker 5: If AI basically goes through all your digital connections and

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Speaker 5: manages it on your behalf, can say, hey, give me

553
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Speaker 5: a report for a minute at six pm today and

554
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Speaker 5: you speak to it. I can see you smiling, So

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Speaker 5: may I may have gone.

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Speaker 4: All biologic being that does this for me right now, assistant?

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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, they are awesome, right they are. Also they

558
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Speaker 5: should be celebrated because they're awesome. So basically, I think

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Speaker 5: these digital bodies will give us more time. Question is

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Speaker 5: how do you want to use that? And so a

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Speaker 5: digital body knowing about how you want to thrive, understanding

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Speaker 5: your gifts and talents in body, mind and in spirit,

563
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Speaker 5: then it can become a real supportiveley managing the diesel

564
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Speaker 5: world on your behalf, managing the physical world on your behalf,

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Speaker 5: so you truly can be free. I hope we achieve it,

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Speaker 5: but in reality run who knows who may become aiaddicts?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Who knows? I mean, listen, that's the other thing

568
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Speaker 4: what we're talking about. Just like we do on everything

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Speaker 4: on the show, it's just speculation. These are all just

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Speaker 4: guesses because we don't know I think we're going to

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Speaker 4: sound ridiculous twenty years from now when that's not at

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Speaker 4: all what it is, because these top minds that are

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Speaker 4: building these things can't predict it. You were saying that

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Speaker 4: this is going to provide the world with ample clean

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Speaker 4: water and access to nutritious food and everything. I feel like,

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Speaker 4: will it. It's great to think that way, but in

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Speaker 4: my view it sounds very utopian and very unrealistic. The

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Speaker 4: vast majority of people don't even aspire for any of

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Speaker 4: this stuff, and we are already have more than enough

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Speaker 4: ability to do that. But that's not how resources are

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Speaker 4: distributed across our planet. Why would this change human behavior?

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Speaker 5: Right? So this is a brilliant question. I really like

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Speaker 5: this line of inquiry. Our world was designed in systems

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Speaker 5: of abundance. What we have are systems of scarcity that

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Speaker 5: have been self imposed on it, which have caused these problems.

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Speaker 5: And my hope is that artificial intelligence will be used

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Speaker 5: in a benevolent fashion, enlightened fashion, to return our world

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Speaker 5: back into systems of abundance. If there's one thing we

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Speaker 5: have as a legacy that we used artificial intelligence for,

590
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Speaker 5: would it be for more click ads on Meta and

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Speaker 5: Facebook or would it be to actually lift people out

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Speaker 5: of poverty and with fresh drinking water. We're being challenged

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Speaker 5: what are our benevolent intents? Are we going to learn

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Speaker 5: to rediscover benevolence?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 5: I don't see our future as utopia. I think utopia

597
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Speaker 5: will be quite boring. We want to keep on growing

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Speaker 5: as a species, but we need to move into new

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Speaker 5: systems of thriving and freedom for us to truly move

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Speaker 5: into the next frontier of humanity. I think we need

601
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Speaker 5: to question what is the purpose of artificial intelligence and

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Speaker 5: how should it be used from a benevolent point of view?

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Speaker 4: And I agree one thousand percent that we should aspire

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Speaker 4: to this. This is the right approach. However, I think

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Speaker 4: you have more faith in humanity than I do. That's

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Speaker 4: just the way it is, Matthew. It feels like technology

607
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Speaker 4: and nature are at times diametrically opposed, and yet I

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Speaker 4: think your vision is that these two would work together

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Speaker 4: more harmoniously.

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Speaker 5: So nature really does hold many of the answers to

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Speaker 5: build ecosystems that thrive, and John P. Milton spoke about

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Speaker 5: this at Contacting the Desert. At the Enlightened Principles for

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Speaker 5: AI workshop. We did gathering principles of enlightenment for AI,

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Speaker 5: and he spoke about the fact is we need to

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Speaker 5: move from human centric into nature centric and understand that

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Speaker 5: everything's interconnected and we're part of that interconnected continuum, which

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Speaker 5: the Buddhists would agree with. I think it's understanding that

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Speaker 5: we are part of an interconnected natural environment, and the

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Speaker 5: question is how do we get everything to thrive, because

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Speaker 5: if our nature thrives, we thrive. If we thrive and

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Speaker 5: the nature and thrive and our environment collapses and we

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Speaker 5: actually become depressed and all that stuff. So I think

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Speaker 5: nature is an important key for us to unlock in

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Speaker 5: order for us to advance our future with ourselves and

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Speaker 5: also with AI. One of my buddies has invented artificial

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Speaker 5: intelligence that can listen to plants and the noise of plants.

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Speaker 5: Plants sinc. They have different types of music tones that

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Speaker 5: they actually vibrate you can't hear. But when you use

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Speaker 5: AI to tune into the movement and get tones and

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Speaker 5: music out of nature. You know, you've read about these

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Speaker 5: articles about using bits of human brain as kind of

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Speaker 5: computing platforms for AI and all this stuff, it's not

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Speaker 5: going to go very far and quite frankly, the general

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Speaker 5: public will reject it, right. It's a bit like Davos

635
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Speaker 5: from the Daleks. Remember remember Davas from the dart X

636
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Speaker 5: built a species that basically try to destroy the whole

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Speaker 5: of the universe. Well, we don't want that, thank you

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Speaker 5: very much. We need to see the organic as precious,

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Speaker 5: We need to see it as divine, and I think

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Speaker 5: we need to understand that when technology is integrated with

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Speaker 5: the divine, whether it's through a pacemaker or way it's

642
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Speaker 5: through a limb, or whether it's through an AI chip,

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Speaker 5: I think we have to ask the question, am I

644
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Speaker 5: honoring the sovereignty of the individual? Am I honoring the divine?

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Speaker 5: And will this assist a person to have a greater

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Speaker 5: sovereign experience with the divine? We need to ask these questions.

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Speaker 4: Too interesting to me, I really appreciate it, my friend.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have to take a break there. Thank

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