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Speaker 1: does that you frank Oz? No? Excuse me, sorry, I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have had so much cheese and my eggs today.

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Speaker 1: Little got in my throat. Winter weather in Georgia. Give

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Speaker 1: me your best, um, give me, give me an adjective today,

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Speaker 1: but give me to me in Wookie? Come on? What

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Speaker 1: a Wookie? What a terrible wikie? What a Wookie? I

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Speaker 1: would say that Wookie is like dying under a car,

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Speaker 1: something that is like or woe. It's just begging for help,

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Speaker 1: just to be put out of its mystery. Yachts. Oh hey,

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Speaker 1: Star Wars fans, they all turned this off all right.

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Speaker 1: They heard They were like, no, lock this content from

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Speaker 1: for part two. George Marshall Lucas Um, what what a pair?

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Speaker 1: This should be a trilogy? Really? Oh, wouldn't that make

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Speaker 1: more sense, wouldn't it? Yeah? It could have been like

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Speaker 1: empire strikes back, which is this episode, and then the

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Speaker 1: return of the Jedi would be Maybe they haven't made

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Speaker 1: we'll tell it and he finally tells her he loves

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Speaker 1: be able to go back and do the stories of

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Speaker 1: their parents in like a three part prequel. Perfect, And

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Speaker 1: then we'll be and then we'll do individual episodes all

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Speaker 1: of that. You get the joke and paralleling Star Wars

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Speaker 1: board myself in the middle of that joke, hap, I know, right?

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, then, yeah, let's just jump into part

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Speaker 1: two of this amazing crazy power couple. Um. In part one,

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Speaker 1: we learned how Marcia Griffin and George Lucas got their

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Speaker 1: movies American Graffiti and Star Wars. And when we left them,

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Speaker 1: Marcia and George were planning to quit this crazy old

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Speaker 1: magazine in the summer of ninety seven, quote, getting our

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Speaker 1: private life together and having a baby. That is the

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Speaker 1: that project worked out perfectly for everyone involved. I'm picking

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Speaker 1: up on your sarcasm. Let's go. Hey, their friends come listen. Well,

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Speaker 1: Elien and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no

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Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio. Well, that whole plan about having a

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Speaker 1: to himself that it was all for Marcia. He said

426
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: in one quote, Marcia has sort of put her editorial

427
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: career on hold and is now working as an interior designer.

428
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't really know if she'll go back to editing,

429
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: and she's a good editor. Usually the offers are to

430
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: go to New York at Los Angeles, but that's no

431
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: fun for us. It's like six months apart and coming

432
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: home at weekends. Maybe, but once we got our facility

433
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: up here, if a director wants her to edit, it'll

434
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: be much easier to convince him to do it up

435
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: here rather than wherever he lives. The whole reason for

436
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: the ranch, actually, it's just a giant facility to allow

437
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: my wife to cut film in Marin County. Ah. Yes,

438
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: I conceive this entire project so my wife could cut film.

439
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: But to work from home, I know, I don't know.

440
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: Well also know I want my wife to be at

441
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: home and to be able to work. So I'm going

442
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: to tell all these directors who are used to working

443
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: in their own city, why don't you come out here

444
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: and leave your family behind and work with me. But

445
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: John Baxter, the author of myth Maker, The Life and

446
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: Work of George Lucas, wrote that quote the joke was

447
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: probably lost on Marcia, who stood by, befuddled by a

448
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: man who was supposed to be retiring was building a

449
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: multimillion dollar mini studio at the expense of his personal life.

450
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: And it was somewhat at the expense of his actual

451
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: dream too, because you know, he wanted a film school

452
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: campus vibe, loose, fun, comfortable people collaborating, a very easy

453
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: and free But when a corporation gets as big as

454
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: a lucasfilm and it incorporates many, many other companies like

455
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: Lucas Arts, Industrial Light and Magic, sprocket Works, Skywalker Sound,

456
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: the computer division which included the graphics group which would

457
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: later become Pixar Studios, and so on and so on

458
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: and so on, you know, it's a million little things,

459
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: and so you don't get to keep a casual vibe

460
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: with a corporation of that size. It's just not possible.

461
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: UM producer Gary Kurtz said it best quote, The saddest

462
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: thing about watching that process was the slow takeover by

463
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy with that slowly came this thing about dress code,

464
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: company policy, nobody talking to the press, and a firm

465
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: of pr people, and it was quite frustrating. Really. I

466
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: decided I was more interested in working on interesting films

467
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,719
Speaker 1: than being tied to a machine like that. And I

468
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: think that Marcia felt similarly, and she's like, I'll edit

469
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: a movie if it's like fucking taxi driver back in

470
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: the day. I don't want to do this. In nineteen

471
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: seventy nine, Lucasfilm had less than fifty employees. By two

472
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: there were over a thousand. So this is a i mean,

473
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: exponential growth in a very short period of time. And

474
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: apparently all his employees really loved him too, at least

475
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: at the time him. In nine three, they were telling

476
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: Dale Pollock, George is this great boss. He has high

477
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: corporate ethics, He instills this family atmosphere. He makes everybody

478
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: involved feel this real sense of pride and what they're

479
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: making together and what they're doing, and um, he's just

480
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: really good at getting really good people, really talented people

481
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: to work with him and stay, you know. So that's

482
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: something to be said for George, definitely. But I mean,

483
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, if I can pull into speculation space station.

484
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Of course, you can proceed with docking. I'm wondering if

485
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: maybe he worked so hard to create a family atmosphere

486
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: at work that he kind of forgot to make a

487
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: family atmosphere at home with his family. Sure, And I

488
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: wonder that because at a party, screenwriter Richard Walter talked

489
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: to Marcia, and he recounted it this way. Quote. What

490
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: she told me underscored a sense I'd always had that

491
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: intimacy was not a gigantic part of George his life.

492
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: She just sort of blurted it out that it was

493
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: extremely isolating. It was like Fortress Lucas. I'd heard this

494
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: from people who worked with him at that time. They

495
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: would say, I can't stand it. He's brilliant, but it's

496
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: so cold. I feel like I'm suffocating. I've got to

497
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: get out of here. And Marcia told me she just

498
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: couldn't stand the darkness any longer. So you're you're telling

499
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: me that, uh, that George had his wife telling him,

500
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, you've got to let go of all this desire,

501
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: this passion, this fear, you know, because fear is going

502
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: to lead to you know, other things. Um And meanwhile,

503
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: you've got like all the lucasfilm, Money and Power backeting

504
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: to him saying, come joy this side, and it's sort

505
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: of a darker side. So he's almost got to make

506
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: a choice here between like a lighter side and darker.

507
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: So you know that's amazing. Yeah, he should he should

508
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: write a movie about it. He should probably really write

509
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: a movie. You should put that into his work. He

510
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: should put some more it's something more personal into his work. Well,

511
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that we have got to go explore the

512
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: dark side real quick with this commercial break and we'll

513
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: be right back. Well, welcome back to the show everyone.

514
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: We're we're all fine here. How are you boring conversation anyway?

515
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: So I just shot their Spotify and uh, well okay.

516
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: So George here is getting more and more involved with

517
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: the Return of the Jedi shoot. Of course he can't

518
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: stay away. He's flying overseas to be on set. And

519
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: he actually became an official second unit director. And if

520
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: you're unfamiliar, second unit directors usually come in and film

521
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: the action sequences or pick up whatever has been filmed

522
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: on on time or anything like that. But generally it's

523
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: the action stuff and Marcia would be left alone in

524
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: hotel rooms or mansions whenever she tagged along. Then he

525
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: started prepping the Indiana Jones sequels to back in California,

526
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: Marcia was working on making Skywalker Ranch look good on

527
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: her awesome interior decorating skills. Yes, and it is a

528
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: beautiful building. Editing out the excess, I imagine, hey, you

529
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: don't need this column here. It's blocking my view and

530
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: it's unnecessary. Cut it out. There is no emotional resolution

531
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: to this hallway. So I think we should put a

532
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: little table here or something. I need a little occasional

533
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: table here with like a nice picture, right, can we

534
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: have You know, you've got all this Wayne Scotting in

535
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: the front room. Maybe we could throw back to it

536
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: later on in the house. Maybe it might be nice

537
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: to tie it together. I mean, if you foreshadow Wayne

538
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: Scotting in the front, you have to pay it off

539
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: at the end. Shakov's Wayne Scotting. It's a rule. So

540
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: while she's designing this, she remembered all the dark cubicles

541
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: that she had to work in as an assistant editor

542
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: at a film librarian, and she just wanted to make

543
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: sure that everyone who worked for Lucasfilm had somewhere comfortable

544
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: to work their film library was particularly gorgeous, and it

545
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: had this giant stained glass dome which was commissioned by

546
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: a local artist named Tom Rodriguez. And with George flying

547
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: off to Sri Lanka to make Temple of Doom, Marcia

548
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: was sad and lonely. But this handsome, young, talented stained

549
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: glass artist was just hanging out and being cool. So

550
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's no wonder that Marcia fell for him and

551
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: she and Tom started having an affair. So yeah, I mean,

552
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: we know Marcia pretty good at this point. She's not

553
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: the type to keep a secret for very long. She

554
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: doesn't sneak around. She's pretty open and field. So yeah,

555
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: she did not keep this affair secret for very long.

556
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: She told George and he was absolutely pummeled by it.

557
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it really broke his heart. And Marcia did

558
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: try to save their marriage, you know. She told him,

559
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: this is what I've been doing, and I'm sorry, maybe

560
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: we should go to marriage counseling. Well, George said no,

561
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: I ain't doing that. Then she's like, well, let's try

562
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: a trial separation, and he also said no to that,

563
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: and so she kind of chalked it up to the

564
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: fact that he had really conservative family values. He had

565
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: grown up from a conservative family values, very traditionalist. They

566
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: were like, you're not supposed to get divorced. You're supposed

567
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: to stick it out through thick and thin. You know,

568
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: that's what marriages. So he's saying, we'll just stay married

569
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: and just put all this behind us, and just yeah,

570
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I was just trying to yeah. Um. So she was

571
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: trying different things to try. I mean, you know, I do.

572
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: It sucks that she cheated on him, that's not cool,

573
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: but you know she had been telling him for several years, now, listen,

574
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: this is not I'm not happy. Um. And so when

575
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: she's trying to come up with solutions and he just

576
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: kept turning her down. Some sources say that this was

577
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: only because George was worried about the Return of Jedi

578
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: come out, so he was like, let's, you know, let's

579
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: save the news about our divorce until after the movies

580
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: hit the box office. We don't want to hurt the returns.

581
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: Then we'll tell everybody. But Michael Kaminski felt like George's

582
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: solution was to ask Marcia to edit Return of the Jedi.

583
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: It was like a project they could work on together,

584
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: like old times. They could collaborate and get creative together

585
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: and maybe that would kind of bring them back to

586
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: when they were young and in love. Maybe he thought,

587
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, and she did. She did say yes

588
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: to that, and she edited Return of the Jedi, especially

589
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: Yoda and Darth Vader's death scenes um as well as

590
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: space battles, you know, with equal applaum. She's still a

591
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: great editor. Spoiler alert Return of the Jedi Darth Vader

592
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: and Yoda both die. Yes. Sorry, Yeah. George was like

593
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: I gave her particularly the quote unquote dying and crying scene,

594
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: because I feel like he's like, these make no sense

595
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: to me. Why is everyone so sad? And she's like, well,

596
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: they kind of know each other in anyway. Let me

597
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: do this. I'll do this part. But of course this

598
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: wasn't going to bring them together, like we remember back

599
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: in their early days, working together was part of the problem.

600
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: Like that's one of the things that made their relationship

601
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: hard in the beginning. I feel it was like five

602
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: years before she had been like, if we work on

603
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: another movie too, it's the end of our I mean,

604
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: work had only ever torn them apart. In Part one,

605
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: we shared a quote from George back in the sixties

606
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: when they first got together that making films was his

607
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: whole life, and he was glad it was Marcia's whole

608
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: life too. But it wasn't Marcia's whole life anymore. She

609
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: had other goals we've talked about. She wanted a family.

610
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: She wanted to settle down and enjoy those rewards, like

611
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: we said, cash that check. Let me enjoy that check now, um.

612
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: But George simply could not stop, even though it seemed

613
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: like he kind of wanted to. In an interview in

614
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: he said quote, I'm not having much fun. It's all work,

615
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: and it's very anxiety written, very hard, very frustrating, and

616
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: we're endless. It's destructed my family life. I have a

617
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: wife and a two year old daughter, and they are

618
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: the most important things in my life. My family is

619
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: it for me. Amanda is two years old now, and

620
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: she's magic. She's this little girl and she ain't gonna

621
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: wait for me. She's going she's growing. The last thing

622
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: in the world I want is to turn around and

623
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: have her be eighteen and say, Hi, Dad, where have

624
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: you been all my life? But he couldn't suit his

625
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: actions to words, you know, which must have been so frustrating.

626
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: It's there's nothing worse than hearing someone go over and

627
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: over again, You're the most important thing in my life,

628
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: but I'm just not going to prioritize your feelings or

629
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: your needs. It's also feel about that. It's also very

630
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: frustrating to be that person I imagined in some ways too,

631
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: because again just on my like mini scale comparison, you

632
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: do have moments where you like, I am changing my

633
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: priorities now, and it's a swamp. You cannot it's quicksand

634
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: you can't just like you can't swim out of it.

635
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: It's very hard to escape that pull um and just

636
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: shift to a different lifestyle. So it's that's must have

637
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: been frustrating for everyone definitely, And like you said, I

638
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: totally feel George very hard because we work very hard.

639
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: We have several things going on at all times. It

640
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: feels like we're constantly busy in working, and there's people

641
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: in my life that I never see that I'm like,

642
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: I want you to know that you matter to me,

643
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: and I can't show it the way i'd like because

644
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: I feel so bogged down. God the number of times

645
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: that I've said I'm really busy this month, but next

646
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: month I'm going to have so much more time. That's

647
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: and I and I'm like, I know I've said that before,

648
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: and I know that at some point it will be true,

649
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: but it's very hard to make true. Yeah, you know,

650
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: I never know. In the back of my mind, this

651
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: is bullshit. I'm not going to have more time next month.

652
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: Every single time I say, I earnestly believe I'm going

653
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: to get to see my friends again. But but then

654
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: there's a pandemic, and you know, then you got a

655
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: new job. It's just it's always something. Yeah. Basically, then

656
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: they want a third Star Wars movie. Alright, alright, fine,

657
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: I'll make it. I guess. Yeah. I mean, you know,

658
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: George told Marcia everything would be different as soon as

659
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Jedi was over, kind of like you're saying, you really thought,

660
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: as soon as this thing, as soon as this thing,

661
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: and then the next thing is very similar, and he said, yeah,

662
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: as soon as Jedi is over, everything's going to be great.

663
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: Kaminski writes that he swore quote that he would settle

664
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: down and give her an Amanda the attention they deserved.

665
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 1: In between flights to the Indiana, Jones said, across the world,

666
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: that is it was the same old story. I know,

667
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: George wanted me to stay, but it was just too little,

668
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: too late, Marcia says. So finally, in June, while holding hands,

669
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: they appeared together in front of their staff and told

670
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: everyone they were divorcing. And apparently this made Steven Spielberg

671
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: lose faith in marriage for a very long time. Yeah,

672
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: he said, like they were that that was the like

673
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: the relationship to me, which I could totally we see

674
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: on the outside, you've got these two really great people

675
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: who have been together for a number of years. They're

676
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: building this incredible thing together. They're both partners and everything,

677
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: and you know it looks like, oh, that's exactly especially

678
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: if you're also a filmmaker. How perfect Like his wife's

679
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: also a filmmaker, she gets it. They totally on the

680
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: same page. And then you find out, no, they're not

681
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: on the same page, and I maybe I can't have that,

682
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: and maybe it's not like if Steven Spielberg was like,

683
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: oh shit, I gotta make a movie but an alien.

684
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: What really breaks my heart is that a lot of

685
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: this seems to have come out of Temple of Doom,

686
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: which is just not worth it, Like it was that

687
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: movie was not worth destroying a marriage over I'm sorry.

688
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: I love Indiana Jones, but Temple of Dooms a damn mess.

689
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that's oh foreshadowing, certainly an episode will do in

690
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: the future. Maybe what you're saying is why Steven Spielberg

691
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: was like, I better just marry this act us real

692
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: quick and snatched up. Kate cap Shot was like, you

693
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: and me, let's get married now. Who knows how long

694
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: it will last? Love is love is a lie, love

695
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: is trance again. We'll find out when we do the

696
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg Kate cap Shot episode someday in the future,

697
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: which I'm sure we'll have lots of screaming. I just

698
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: don't like templa Doom that much, y'all. I know a

699
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of Gen xers will be mad at me because

700
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: it's their favorite. But our friend Rob loves it. Rob

701
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: loves it, and we love Rob. But it's all I mean, okay,

702
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: so I'll just piss off everybody. Raiders isn't my favorite either.

703
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: It's all about Last Crusade for me, which is Raiders

704
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: is excellent, but the Last Crusade is phenomenal. I'm going

705
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: to get too into Indiana Jones here, but damn it,

706
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: that movie is fucking it's perfect love last Crusade that

707
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: definitely has the most nostalgia. I'm sure it's the one

708
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: I watched the most, you know when when I was

709
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: younger or something, but I definitely watched it like kid,

710
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: suddenly remember my Charlemagne. Um. So, Marcia and George divorced.

711
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: They split custody of their daughter, Amanda, and their divorce

712
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: settlement left Marcia with an enormous sum, as much as

713
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars, which in the mid eighties fifty million

714
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: dollars today is worth checking here a hundred and forty

715
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: million dollars. Whoa which I mean? Like to me, there's

716
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: no difference between fifty million and a hundred forty million.

717
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: Buy everything you could ever want and not even notice.

718
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: That's just infinite money. Um, all of our all of

719
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: our listeners with a hundred and fifty million dollars are

720
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: out there going. It's not that much. It's really not

721
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: that much. The thing is is that everything you buy

722
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: has additional costs. Like the yacht, you would not leave

723
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: the docking fees. And I'm like, you know, try me,

724
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: send me someone. I'll let you know how give me

725
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: a chance with your so Marcia ended up buying a

726
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: house in the suburbs of San Francisco with Tom Rodriguez,

727
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: and the two of them ended up getting married and

728
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: they had a daughter together in named Amy. Marcia finally

729
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: had the financial security and the cozy domestic life that

730
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: she had been wanting for so long. But George was

731
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: depressed and he was feeling really bitter about all this,

732
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: And it's kind of not really a surprise because he

733
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: had been cheated on and left for a younger man,

734
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: and then he lost about half of his fortune. This

735
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: actually put Lucasfilm in a precarious financial position throughout the

736
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: whole rest of the eighties. Kaminski writes that there's a

737
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: circular irony to their divorce, saying, quote, George emotionally neglected

738
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: Marcia for years in the hopes of securing his private empire.

739
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: Yet in the end this pushed her away completely, and

740
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: when she left, she took away the private empire that

741
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: had instigated the process in the first place. His greed

742
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: cost him his wife and his empire. It is my opinion,

743
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: rights Kaminski, that Lucas chose to shape Anakin Skywalker's arc

744
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: in the prequels. In a similar manner because of his

745
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: own reflections on his own self created loss. Wow, which

746
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: I have to say. We just recently watched the prequels

747
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: not long ago, and they're not good. Um, sorry, they're not.

748
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm not so glad that people love them, and I

749
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: maybe if I'd seen them when I was six, I

750
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 1: would have a fonder memories of them. There's a there's

751
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: good movies in there. Yeah, there's elements of great movies.

752
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: Maybe I almost think that like if an editor had

753
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: come in who had like who really strongly wanted more

754
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: of an emotional resonance throughout the film, and maybe it

755
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: was like, these characters aren't acting believably and this relationship

756
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: is unbelievably toxic, and there's no reason that this woman

757
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: should be interested in this man at all. Do not

758
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: believe their romance anyway you were going to say, you

759
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: go on? Um, it does like just having that in

760
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: mind makes me watch them kind of in my head

761
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: a little bit differently because I sort of agree with

762
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: Kaminsky's it makes the story better honestly, to know if

763
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: if George is putting his own life into it, there

764
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: is a lot more emotion to it because what you

765
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: have is Anakin going, I can have no love. I

766
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: cannot be in love if I want to do this

767
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: Jedi thing. That's basically what George was doing, was was

768
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: denying himself love and an emotional connection so that he

769
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: could instead make movies and believing he could have both.

770
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the parallel, too, is because Anakin

771
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: thought I can have both, and everyone was telling him

772
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: you can't. You you can be a Jedi, or you

773
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: can go marry this lady, but you should be a

774
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Jedi because you're like was on one. And that's probably

775
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: how George felt, you know, to some degrees, like I've

776
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: got everyone is obsessed with this thing I created. I

777
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: I it is my responsibility. They're calling me the chosen one,

778
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: you know. But it would be nice if I could,

779
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: if I could have this romance too, But push she

780
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: ticks me off, telling me you know how to live,

781
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: you know. So it's all in there and towards Lucas

782
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: notoriously hated sand all these years, so he kept putting

783
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: everything on a desert planet. And yeah, like it's not

784
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: like Marcia did not deserve the money that she got

785
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: from this divorced settlement. By the way, like people were

786
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: like talking like she's some gold diggers something at the time,

787
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: but no, she was a full business partner in Lucasfilm

788
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: and she was part of the reason that he was

789
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: ever successful in the first place. So Lucasfilm president Bob

790
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: Gerber pointed it out at the time in the eighties, quote,

791
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 1: people sometimes forget that Marcia Lucas owns half of this

792
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: company and is a very important part of it. So

793
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, she got what she was supposed to get

794
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: from their partnership, and if she had gotten less, it

795
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: honestly would have been a robbery of her. But even so,

796
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: like George got a little vindictive over this amount of

797
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: money that she had gotten, maybe even kind of forgot

798
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: that she was such so valuable to his success. Well,

799
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: and he's feeling personally injured, personally injured exactly, and you know,

800
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: you lash out, you say dumb ship and stuff. So

801
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: at this point he kind of told all his friends,

802
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: who of course we're all Marcia's friends too, that he's like,

803
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable being around Marcia. If you could just

804
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: like not invite her to stuff, that would be really

805
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: helpful for me. And guess who, you know, they choose.

806
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: Obviously they're going to choose George Lucas. He's the one

807
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: still in the industry. She's out in San Francisco having

808
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: a baby. Nobody cares, you know, so a lot of

809
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 1: her social circle evaporated, and Marcia said quote that really hurt.

810
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: It's not enough that I'm erased from his life. He

811
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: wants to blackball me too with people who were my friends.

812
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: It's like I never existed. And even though they split

813
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: custody of Amanda, Amanda did spend all her time with

814
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: George and very little with Marcia. And I couldn't find

815
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: a lot of explanation for why that might be. Maybe

816
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: it's just because she had her daughter Tom or something,

817
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: but that feels very cold of Marcia. It doesn't line

818
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: up for her character to me, that she'd be like,

819
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: all I wanted was a baby. I had one for

820
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: two years with George, and now I don't care about her,

821
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: Like that's very weird me. So there's something really private

822
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: happened with that. But I'm sure it was incredibly painful

823
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: for her to be separated from two people who she

824
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: really did love. I don't think the love is completely gone,

825
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, She's just like we can't be married. You know,

826
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: we're not a good married couple. But it seems like

827
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: he kind of I stir out after that, even more

828
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: than he had when they were married. Now, George Lucas,

829
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: of course, went on to do other things. He worked

830
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: on all the Indiana Jones movies, Jim Henson's Labyrinth, Don

831
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: Bluth's The Land Before Time, Ron Howard's Willow, his biggest

832
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: flop ever, Howard the Duck, and of course both of

833
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: the e Walks movies that we all, which I have

834
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: to say, I just want to say, as a creative person,

835
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: you can totally see how George is, like, how could

836
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: I not do this? Like you're getting scripts and ideas

837
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: Jim Henson for fucking Labyrinth and for Willow and all

838
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: these cool movies that like I love Now, it must

839
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: have been really really hard for him to go, well,

840
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: actually I'm supposed to be taking a step back and

841
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: hanging out at home, Like you know, if you're that,

842
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: if you're that type of person that seems like it's

843
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: just too good, you have to do the least this project,

844
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, and then you get another good one you're like, oh,

845
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: maybe after this one, like I could I totally feel

846
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: that would be very hard to say no to movies.

847
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: It would get rocky for us before I figured out

848
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: and really put a stop to it. You know, like

849
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: if Steven Spielberg called me it was like, I want

850
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: you to produce this movie for me, and you were like,

851
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: please don't. I need to stay home. I would say

852
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: I need you to let me do this, and that'll

853
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: be it. Yeah, and you'd be like, all right, I'll

854
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: let you do this, and then another one would happen.

855
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: You'd be like the last time, you know, I told

856
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 1: you I didn't want you to one more, one more,

857
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: one more word more, And it would take you telling me,

858
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: if you don't stop working for Steven Spielberg, I'm leaving

859
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 1: you for me to go. Oh my god, I'm getting

860
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg is sucking up all of my time. I

861
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: gotta step away. I'm sorry. I I I cannot do

862
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: Munich too for you, Steven Spielberg, I know you really

863
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: have been wanting a sequel. So yeah, Lucas is doing

864
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: all this stuff. He founded th h X Limited in

865
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: Night three, he sold Graphics Group to Steve Jobs in six,

866
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: and then he even dated pop star Linda Ronstat for

867
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, not bad. People magazine ran an article

868
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: about this in March of four. They said, quote ron

869
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: Stat's latest crush, George Lucas is just her type, right, Creative, curious, interesting,

870
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: and by all accounts, one of the nicest guys on

871
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: two legs. He has just as many reasons to fall

872
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: for her, and they each have one more. They are

873
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: both private Hermits from Hype, Hermits from Hype the Joy

874
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: Orged Lucas story Hire Hermits from High. This is from

875
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: our new album run Stat's latest crush. I mean, this

876
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: sounds like a good album. I won't listen to Hermits

877
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: from Right more, but it sounds like this whole thing

878
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 1: was probably a pretty short lived little fling. It also

879
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: quotes one of her friends is saying, quote, George is

880
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: so lucky to be with her. It's the eighties, friends,

881
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: She's got to be a Vale girl, right. George is

882
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: so lucky to be with her. He will have more

883
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: fun than he's ever had in his life, and then

884
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: she will break his heart into a thousand pieces and

885
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: go on to someone else. Another friend of her saying, quote,

886
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: Linda is already getting restless. She does have a roving eye.

887
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: Oh oh, we might need to do an episode about

888
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: whatever Linda run Stat was getting up to. Right, definitely

889
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: do she dated like everyone? She did it, Bill Murray,

890
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: she dated Jim Carrey me. I know, right, Linda, you

891
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: never called. I didn't get a call. I was years

892
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: old in March. You were not in March. I was not.

893
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: I was born. I was sixteen days old when this

894
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: article came out. So well, all right, let's go check

895
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 1: on lend Ron stats and take another quick commercial break.

896
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: You'll be right back. As you can see, my young listeners,

897
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: the marriage has failed. Now witness the firepower of this

898
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: Fully Armed and Operational podcast. Wow, look it's for the nerds. No,

899
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm one of them. I'm sitting here delighted

900
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: by are Fully Armed and Operational podcast. Yeah, you thought

901
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: it was only half built, but it's done. It's actually done. Ready.

902
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: That's such a great moment. You know, Jedi is not

903
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: my favorite, but that's a that's a cool a moment,

904
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: A moment. Yeah, there's so many in those movies, and

905
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I love a turn of the Jedi. Speaking of what

906
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: you watched as a kid or whatever, Like, I know

907
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: it's goofy, but there was definitely the one I watched

908
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: the most as a kid because I loved the Ewoks.

909
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: But you know, I love that nice Catharsis of them

910
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: winning and different things spoiler alert as spoiler alert they win,

911
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: spoiler alert Star Wars as a happy ending. Guess what.

912
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, people would always be like Empire's

913
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: the best simposed and I was like, no, it's so dark,

914
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: But now I get it. I get it. But anyways,

915
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: well I love a turn of the Jedi. So Marcia

916
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: spent ten years married to Tom, who was a very

917
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: successful artist who sold paintings and galleries all over the world,

918
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: but also loved wine and softball. He's like just a

919
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: fun guy, totally tons of hobbies, very different from George

920
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but they also eventually divorced.

921
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: A profile of Tom on a Valley Life dot com

922
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: quotes him as saying, quote, it had been a wild

923
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: and exciting time. We had many friends in the movie business,

924
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: including Robin Williams and Harrison Ford, and the partying had

925
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: become quite excessive. So you know, not all of Marsha's

926
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: Hollywood friends left her out in the cold. Thank you,

927
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford. I'm very glad to hear that, because at

928
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: first I was like, it would really suck if all

929
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: these people were like, yeah, we really like you and Marcia,

930
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: but we're just not going to hang out ever because

931
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: George wouldn't like it. I don't know. That feels a

932
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: bit lame. And I also love the idea that she

933
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: spent ten years kind of still partying, hanging out and

934
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: joining herself. Marshall was the party. I remember she used

935
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: to go hang out with Martin Scorsese and his wild

936
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: days out of New York. So George, as a single father,

937
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: adopted two more kids, his daughter Katie and his son

938
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: jet In and fun fact, Marcia and George's daughter Amanda

939
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: became a mixed martial arts fighter, which is cool, and

940
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: all three of his kids appeared in the prequels, and

941
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: George also did which I didn't know that He's apparently

942
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: has an appearance in the prequel well, which I was like,

943
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: I guess I need to go back and look because

944
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing Yeah, because he is um, he's

945
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: uh pad Mays double right, Like you can't tell the

946
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: difference between him and Natalie Portman, so he plays her double.

947
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: That that girl that nurse in the movie that like

948
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: walks behind her all the time. You just can't tell.

949
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: It's a nice lipstick, lower lips. Yeah, that's right, man,

950
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: that was amazing. He disappeared into that role. And yeah,

951
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: it seems like after Linda Ronstad in four, which was

952
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: very shortly after his divorce, it seems like he didn't

953
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: really have another romantic connection until two thousand and six

954
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: when he met executive Melody Hobson at a business conference.

955
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: And this is another total boss, super strong, take no

956
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: ship kind of lady. So I saw I like Georgia's

957
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: taste in women, even though he can't they can't save

958
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: to give him his heart the way that they might want.

959
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 1: He he likes a strong lady. Um. At the time

960
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: when they met, she was head of an investment brokerage

961
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: and she was the chair of DreamWorks Animation. But today

962
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: she is the first black woman to chair an S

963
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: and P five company because she was named the chair

964
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: of Starbucks. Maybe you've heard of it. And she's number

965
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: ninety four on Forbes' list of the world's one hundred

966
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: most powerful women. So he found himself a total Palpatine.

967
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: Not bad, George, good for you, right, going to say

968
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, great, two evil empires merchant. Now there's

969
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: a Starbucks on Skywalker branch Um. They dated for seven

970
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: years before he proposed and in they announced their engagement

971
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: in February, got married in June, and welcomed their first

972
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: child via gestational carrier in August. I mean, that is

973
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: a busy year the whole. A lot of ships that

974
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: happened in one year. Um, but we have to like powerhouse,

975
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: like get it done type of folks. So maybe they

976
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: were like, all right, well, we've waited to beat around

977
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: the bush long enough. We've dated. Now it's time to

978
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: really get to We're married, we're having a kid, we're

979
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: settling down the other now. Marcia doesn't have another film

980
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: credit under her belt. Now. Marcia doesn't have another film

981
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: credit under her belt after the eighties, except for an

982
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: executive producer credit on a nine movie called No Easy

983
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: Way and a producing credit in a short film called

984
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 1: A Good Son. People didn't hear from Marcia for years

985
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: until she opened up to author Peter Biscuin in for

986
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: his book Easy Riders Raging Bulls. She told him quote,

987
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: I felt that we had paid our dues, thought our

988
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: battles worked eight days a week, twenty five hours a day.

989
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to stop and smell the flowers. I wanted

990
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: joy in my life, and George just didn't. He was

991
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: very emotionally blocked, incapable of sharing feelings. He wanted to

992
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: stay on that workaholic track, the empire builder, the dynamo,

993
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: and I couldn't see myself living that way for the

994
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I was the more emotional person

995
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: who came from the heart, and George was the more

996
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: intellectual and visual, and I thought that provided a nice balance.

997
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: But George would never acknowledge that to me. I think

998
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: he resented my criticisms, felt that all I ever did

999
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: was put him down, and he never felt that I

1000
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: had any talent. He never felt that I was very smart.

1001
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: He never gave me very much credit. When we were

1002
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: finishing Jedi, George told me he thought I was a

1003
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: pretty good editor. In the sixteen years of our being together,

1004
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: I think that was the only time he complimented me. Damn, George, come,

1005
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta compliment not just your spouse, but

1006
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: the people you work with, the people working for you,

1007
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: and the people who are good at their jobs. I

1008
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: mean a lot of times. It's not even about money

1009
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's really just like, do you see me exactly?

1010
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Do you see me busting my ass and giving you

1011
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: the best that I have? No, Okay, well then I'm

1012
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: gonna suck off um. Decades after their divorce, George was

1013
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: asked about his split with Marcia in a sixty Minutes interview,

1014
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: and he told them he hadn't seen it coming at all,

1015
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: and they so they're like, oh, so you're you were happy,

1016
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: everything's fine, and then suddenly there's this other man and

1017
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: he said, quote ten years younger than me. It was

1018
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: one of those classic divorce situations. Okay, now, I mean,

1019
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he just didn't feel like getting into

1020
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: all that was sixty minutes. I mean, that's fair, But

1021
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: taken on its face, it kind of looks like he

1022
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: conveniently forgot about all the times that she came to

1023
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: him and said, George, this is what I need from

1024
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: you in order for us to stay together, and him

1025
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: being like, yep, he heard no problem and then didn't

1026
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: do it, you know what I mean, And that's I

1027
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: don't know. It seems sort of the most tragic thing

1028
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: to me about that is that they do both seem

1029
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: to have let bitterness win in the intervening years, because

1030
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: like when they went to their staff holding hands to

1031
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: like an ounced their divorce, that that seems to me

1032
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: that they were trying to still have some kind of relationship.

1033
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: They were like, we know, we still care about each other,

1034
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: We're still friends. You know, there's still a really good

1035
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: relationship here that just can't be married. We just know

1036
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: that about us now. But now you know you've got Marcia.

1037
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she's speaking the truth when she says

1038
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: that George never complimented her, ever told her what a

1039
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: good editor she was or whatever. Although we have read

1040
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: you some quotes from interviews, but he gave where he

1041
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: did compliment her and say she was a good editor.

1042
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: Now it's different to hear you know, it's not the same.

1043
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: If you were going out being like, Diana is amazing,

1044
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: I love her, and I didn't hear it over at home,

1045
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: then it wouldn't really matter that you were out telling

1046
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: other people. That's why I never do that. I know. Yeah,

1047
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: it's important to me, damn it. I do not compliment

1048
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: Diana in public because she doesn't hear it. It's worthless.

1049
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: In fact, I usually try to put you down a

1050
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: little bit. When you're not around that way, people are

1051
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: more impressed when they meet you. Oh wow, thank you, Bass.

1052
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: That's so nice of you to really really help me

1053
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: out in that way. Yeah. Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. Actually,

1054
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: I like that you managed people's expectations for Yeah, don't

1055
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: do what I do and don't do the same, because

1056
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: that'd be copy right. I know. You just want to

1057
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: hear nothing but praise at all times. Yeah, yeah, constantly.

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: Can we have one now? Actually be just on. Oh yeah,

1059
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: Ela is really really good at totally misreading the things

1060
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: that I say. Thank you, thank you. I felt really good.

1061
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: That was perfect. He's amazing at it that this is

1062
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: a really nice compliment. Thank you. I don't think I

1063
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: quite get it, but anyway, anyway, go ahead. Yeah, no,

1064
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just you know, we've heard him

1065
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: compliment her out in the wild. But maybe she's right

1066
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: and saying he never said anything directly to her that

1067
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: would have meant a lot. Maybe, or maybe she again

1068
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: is kind of just letting all the bad times overshadow

1069
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: all the good stuff, and that can be such an

1070
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: easy thing to happen in a breakup or force of

1071
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: any kind. I'm and especially if you have decades of

1072
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: time go by where you like, man, I sure did

1073
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: win an Oscar for that movie, and people keep not

1074
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: talking about me my contribution to it, like that could

1075
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: really add a lot to Um and George. Of course,

1076
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: I knew that his emotional detachment and workaholism was causing

1077
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble for them. I mean again, we

1078
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: shared some quotes from the time where he's like, I'm

1079
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: not having fun, Marsha's not having fun, nobody's happy. My

1080
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: daughter is going to grow up without me. But you know,

1081
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: he didn't want to own up to that. He doesn't

1082
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: want to kind of take responsibility for his part in

1083
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: the breakup. He's like, she cheated, that was it. It

1084
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: was over after that, There's nothing happened before that, you know.

1085
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: And after selling Lucas Film to Disney, he did go

1086
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: into semi retirement. But he still is a story consultant

1087
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: on like all the new Star Wars projects. They still

1088
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: involve him a lot and and talk to him about

1089
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: like the world of the jet, you know, with how

1090
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: the Jedi powers work and whatever else. So like literally

1091
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: decades after he first said I'm firing. He still cannot

1092
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: take his hands fully off the wheel, you know. And

1093
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: again he had health problems from that. And even that

1094
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: was not enough of a wake up call. He lost

1095
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: his wife. That's not enough of a wake up call.

1096
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: Like it's just the work was too much. He's full, yeah,

1097
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: right right, And Marcia's had a little chip on her

1098
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: shoulder about his biggest project too, um, probably because like

1099
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: we said, she never really got the credit she deserved

1100
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: for editing Star Wars. In J. W. Rindler's book Howard Kazanjian,

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: a Producer's Life, Marcia said that when she saw The

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Speaker 1: Phantom Menace, she quote cried because I didn't think it

1103
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: was very good. Girl, me too, you know same. I

1104
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: will say, I'll tell you what to this day. The

1105
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: last twenty minutes then we are very exciting. Yeah, that

1106
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: was the main army. I was like you in it.

1107
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: I love him. Liam Neeson is nice and stoic. He's

1108
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: doing a good job. I mean again, there's elements of

1109
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 1: a good movie in there. It just did not come

1110
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: together to be a good right. Marcia particularly hated the

1111
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: age gap between Anakin and Pod May true very uncomfortable.

1112
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: But and here's where Marcia and I are going to

1113
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: get into it a little bit. She really hated the

1114
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: new trilogy even more. She said, quote, I like Kathleen Kennedy.

1115
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: I always liked her. She was full of beans. She

1116
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: was really smart and really bright, really wonderful woman. Now

1117
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: she's running Lucasfilm and making movies. And it seems to

1118
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: me that Kathy and J. J. Abrams don't have a

1119
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: clue about Star Wars. They don't get it. She was

1120
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: furious when they killed off Han Solo and Luke Skywalker's

1121
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, and she hated that there was no explanation

1122
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: for Raised Powers, which is kind of a non spoiler alert.

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: Um I guess, so, she said, quote, I thought, you

1124
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: don't get the Jedi story. You don't get the magic

1125
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: of Star Wars. It sucks. The storylines are terrible. You

1126
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: can quote me J. J. Arams, Kathy Kennedy talk to me.

1127
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: I love her passion, and I can. I can. I

1128
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: can get behind her feeling that they don't understand her

1129
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: Star Wars right, because that's definitely something in the new trilogy.

1130
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: These are this is new hands, new minds, a whole

1131
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: new people taking what Star Wars was to them and

1132
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: telling stories from it, and that can definitely be very disconnected.

1133
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people who are mad

1134
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: at the New trilogy for exactly those reasons that it

1135
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: wasn't Star Wars to them. Um, but I really love

1136
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: both the first two movies of the new trilogy, and

1137
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's a shame they never made a third one.

1138
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: But but that's just how how it goes. Sometimes never

1139
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: finished that they're just never they wanted to, um, but

1140
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: it never happened. Yeah, I mean we both liked the

1141
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: Last Jedi. I know that's controversial all of our listeners.

1142
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, we just got another lefty email story about

1143
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: failure and and second chances and like not worship, you know,

1144
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: not getting sucked into hero worship and how that can

1145
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: backfire on you. You've got to kind of forge your

1146
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: own way and you don't have to be destined from

1147
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: a line of royals in order to be a hero yourself.

1148
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: And it's just so much good stuff in it. Yes,

1149
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: it's not flawless about I mean, it's finally opening up

1150
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: the universe a little bit, you know, and made it

1151
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: so narrow to be like this one family line, the

1152
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: only people in the universe that matter. I mean, you know,

1153
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: so I liked that about the Last Jedi, but um,

1154
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: we won't get into it with you have your own

1155
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: opinion about Star Wars. Here's what I'm not gonna do.

1156
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to try and convince anyone who didn't

1157
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: like it that they should know. I'll defend my position,

1158
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: but I think it's ridiculous. Is it is flat out

1159
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world if you decide that

1160
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: it is your job to change someone's mind about something. Now,

1161
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: it's not to say that you can't say, like, well,

1162
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: let me give you another perspective and maybe you'll appreciate

1163
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: it from that angle. But to tell someone you're wrong

1164
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: for feeling how you did about something, uh, is wrong.

1165
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: That's the That's the only wrong thing you can do.

1166
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean, particularly about a piece of art. I mean,

1167
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: art is subjective. It's the number one rule about it

1168
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: is that you're you don't get to choose how someone

1169
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: reacts to your art, and you shouldn't. It's pointless. As

1170
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: you say, to be like you, why don't you convince

1171
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: me to dislike the Last Jedi? You can't do it.

1172
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: I liked it, so sorry, you can't do it. Why

1173
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: would I spend my time trying to convince you to

1174
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: like it when you didn't? You know, it just it

1175
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 1: did different things for us, and that's what art does.

1176
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm great, you know what. It's a wonderful world. It's

1177
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: a weird, wonderful world. We all enjoy it differently. It's

1178
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: called opinion, it's called objective nature of art and the

1179
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: and that's how it goes. So sorry, Marcia, but you're wrong.

1180
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: Let me wrong. I love it. But yeah, I mean

1181
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: it's basically it's so funny that she kind of like

1182
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: disappeared from film history for so long and everyone like

1183
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: no one heard from r She finally said something about

1184
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: the Phantom Menace and then like years later, it's like

1185
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: she decided to come out again just to ship again

1186
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: all over Star Wars. And I'm like, I don't know

1187
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: if that's Marcia's choices. That's the only time anyone reaches

1188
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: out to her Star Wars. They're like, so what do

1189
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: you think? But it's kind of funny that she's never

1190
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: come out to be like And also Tom and I

1191
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: were very happy together. I don't know or something like

1192
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: just anything but whatever, So yeah, that that's kind of

1193
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: the story of George lucas And and his editor wife

1194
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: Marcia fascinating. It's so just unknown. I mean again, I

1195
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: had literally nothing about this. And it's very interesting too

1196
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: that you can win an Oscar and still be completely unknown.

1197
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: Like it seems like, and I know that's obvious, but

1198
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: like it just seems like one of those things that

1199
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: as an actor or as an editor or whatever, that

1200
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: you're like, great, here I am at the top of

1201
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: the world. And for Marcia, she was like, cool, I

1202
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: got my statue and now I'm done. Like that's all

1203
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: I wanted. I don't need to keep working and prove

1204
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: that I should have this. I earned it and now

1205
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm done. So yeah, I mean, but I was so

1206
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: I was so fascinated to learn this about Marcia, that

1207
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: she was like the secret weapon for George Lucas And

1208
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: and like really, I mean changed the trajectory of his career.

1209
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: If they had not got together, we'd have different film history.

1210
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: It feels like, because if she hadn't been there to

1211
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: get him to make American Graffiti, he may never have

1212
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: gotten to make Star Wars, and we would not have

1213
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: Star Wars, and we'd have a different type of sci

1214
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: fi you know, amazing the thing that we all love.

1215
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be Star Wars if we're lucky because

1216
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: he also, you know, George Lucas is a little bit

1217
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: James Cameron vibes where he's like, I have to I

1218
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: want to make technologically something that doesn't exist, and the

1219
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: technology doesn't exist. To make the thing that I want,

1220
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: I have to make the tech first. And that's why

1221
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: I had so many companies because he had to like

1222
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: patent all these things. So like, imagine that we wouldn't

1223
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: have industrial light and magic do every movie, you know,

1224
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: Like it's just very crazy to think about if Marcia

1225
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: had gone to the Standler Film Library to work with

1226
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: her ex or her first boyfriend or whatever, how differently

1227
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: everything might be. And if Max and Carlotta had not

1228
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: been invited to Mexico, then we might not even have

1229
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: a George Lucas. You know what Russia? Have you even

1230
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: been born? Keep? I mean, yeah, we do get into

1231
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: Butterfly affecting a little bit on the show a lot,

1232
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: but I think that's so interesting to say, you know,

1233
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: we're looking at these just two people just fallen for

1234
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: each other, and what that the ripples that that can

1235
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: have through history. Um, it's amazing. And I left the

1236
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: notion of Marcia as this secret weapon for Star Wars too.

1237
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: You might say that she just looked like George Lucas's wife,

1238
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, but she was actually fully armed and operational

1239
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: battle station you weren't expecting, and boom, now you get

1240
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: Star Wars. I do wish you touched on this before,

1241
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: but I do wish they'd expand and go tell other

1242
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: stories in this entire galaxy they've got, And we just

1243
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,919
Speaker 1: keep looking at people related to the same main characters

1244
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: from the first movie, and I'm like, give me, you've

1245
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: got a galaxy, show me. I'll say, don't steal my idea.

1246
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm putting it here on the record. Somebody knows. If

1247
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: I ever get a Star Wars movie, copyright this right now.

1248
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: If I ever get a Star Wars movie, it's going

1249
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: to be about uh Jedi detective. Like Jedis were out

1250
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: there keeping the peace right, so at some point certainly

1251
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: one of them had to solve a mystery. And how

1252
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: fucking cool would it be to watch a Jedi solve

1253
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: a mystery. You can make it kind of like Noir vibe, right,

1254
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: I would do a comedy series about all the servers

1255
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: that work at can see it the most icely something

1256
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: crazy customers they get and like people coming in shooting

1257
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: the place up, and they're like, well, it's a Wednesday.

1258
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: Give me the guy who plays the flute. What's his

1259
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: name in the band? Somebody like that guy? What's his

1260
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: life like when he got what's he plays the flute

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Speaker 1: for like eighteen hours a day, his wife at home

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Speaker 1: like your music. I want a kid to walk aholic.

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Speaker 1: If only George felt that way. I know, George, if

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Speaker 1: he had just felt like, you know, I got the

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Speaker 1: whole world in my hands, but I just want to

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Speaker 1: hang out at home with my wife, maybe it'd be different,

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Speaker 1: but I will say different. It's difficult for me to

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Speaker 1: say I wish George Lucas had given up on Star

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Speaker 1: Wars and fix his family life because selfishly, I do

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Speaker 1: not want that to have happened again, with all the

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Speaker 1: fucking movies that he worked on that I love. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I almost want to be like Marcia,

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Speaker 1: give him a break. I mean, it's David Bowie with puppets.

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Speaker 1: Why are you this man? You expect him to say?

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Speaker 1: To know that David Bowie with Puppets and David breaking Boie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, so I feel you because on like,

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Speaker 1: on one hand, as a person and feeling very strongly

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Speaker 1: about these two people who are just normal people who

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Speaker 1: want to be in love and have a good relationship,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, George, get out of work. But

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Speaker 1: as a person who really watched you, really loved and

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Speaker 1: enjoyed those movies, I can't be sad that that he didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's that's a tough one. I have

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Speaker 1: want to make this joke about, like George, your responsibilities

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Speaker 1: lie with me, not with your wife. But there's a

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: question there, right, like do you if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: contributing something to the world, uh, and you have it

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Speaker 1: to contribute. I think a lot of people get stuck

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: in that question of like what's the moral right thing

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Speaker 1: to do? Here? Is it my responsibility to give my

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01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: gifts to the world, maybe taken away from something as uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, nonsensical and ethereal as as film and art.

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Speaker 1: But like I'm maybe I'm curing cancer, but I have

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Speaker 1: to work so long that my wife wants to leave me?

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Speaker 1: Do I and I But I really think I can

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Speaker 1: do it. Do I stop doing that from my family,

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 1: or do I have a responsibility in a larger sense

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Speaker 1: to give up my own happiness to try and help

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Speaker 1: you know, millions and millions of people. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's again that that's obviously very George Lucas wasn't

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Speaker 1: curing cancer, and that's it. Ain't cancer. Just gonna say

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Speaker 1: that's that is something that we say very often on

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01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: set when things get stressful. We're not curing cancer here everybody,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you kind of take a step back,

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: but just sort of that, like, George Lucas has contributed

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01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: a lot to people's happiness, and a lot of people

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01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: who have very difficult lives have been able to escape

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Speaker 1: into Star Wars, and I'm sure that it has saved lives,

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Speaker 1: you know, in its own way. So you could say

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Speaker 1: that somebody was constantly telling him you could bring balance

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Speaker 1: to the force. It's more important than your personal feelings, George,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, leave that woman behind. You're the chosen one.

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Speaker 1: You have to cut off your connections in order to succeed.

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Speaker 1: The Jedi were dicks, by the way, Just throw that

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Speaker 1: out there. This whole like you have to give up

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Speaker 1: everything you care about. Uh, you know again at I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get into it. One of the things I

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Speaker 1: do like about the Secret about the prequels that I

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: wish they focused on a little more is that Anakin

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Speaker 1: did bring balance to the Force because the Jedi were

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Speaker 1: out of control. They ran the government, they had too

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Speaker 1: much power, they had way too much power. And I

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Speaker 1: wish the movie had zeroed in a little more on

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Speaker 1: that fact because and I hoped it did when we

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Speaker 1: rewatched it, and I just wasn't getting enough sense of that.

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Speaker 1: It really felt like they were objectively the good guys

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Speaker 1: and right about everything, and the Sith were evil and

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01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: wrong about everything, and that was it. But I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if I was remaking those movies, I would definitely lean

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Speaker 1: a little harder on there's the unbalanced right now? Is

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Speaker 1: that general out of control? They're insane. They are so

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Speaker 1: pompous and arrogant, and they think they're right about everything

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Speaker 1: and they're wrong. Yeah, they're straight up being told they're wrong,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, but we can't be wrong. It's like

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Speaker 1: they're literally choking on their own Hubris. Was all I

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Speaker 1: needed was a moment for Yoda to realize that, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the third one to be like, wow, we were

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Speaker 1: we really screwed up here. Screwed up here? We did. Really.

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Speaker 1: I guess he would say, uh, screwed the pooch, we did.

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Speaker 1: Really we dropped on balancing force. Wow, Yoda, not only

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Speaker 1: did you not bring balance to the force, now you're

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Speaker 1: screwing pooches. Wow. W whoa whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa,

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Speaker 1: Your dear, it is jump to conclusion you have, Um, well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: anyway I feel you. It was definitely one of those

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Speaker 1: one of those movies where you're like, actually all wrong,

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Speaker 1: and I really wish you would just say, because the

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01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 1: driving nuts, Yeah, we could get into analyzing Star Wars

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Speaker 1: for the next thousand years. Um. But yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: think we're going back to just George Marcia fascinating story

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Speaker 1: that I just hope to kind of share a little

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: bit for both for Marcia's sake, because I think she

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Speaker 1: deserves that credit in our hearts when we think about

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Speaker 1: Star Wars um, and also just for everyone as kind

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01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,559
Speaker 1: of one of these I don't know if it's a

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Speaker 1: cautionary tale, but certainly for a lot of people out

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Speaker 1: there like us who work together and have a relationship.

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Speaker 1: It's important to recognize your partner's needs, you know, how

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Speaker 1: they relate to your own. What what you can give

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Speaker 1: up when you can give something up, Like a relationship

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Speaker 1: takes sacrifice, um to make work, and you just got

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Speaker 1: to kind of find that balance. That's generic way of

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Speaker 1: putting it. But I think to the like as a culture,

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Speaker 1: we're starting to have a different opinion about that. Like

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Speaker 1: George is in the eighties staying doing all this, that's

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Speaker 1: like height of you've got to make the most money,

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Speaker 1: you have to be the most successful, you know, that

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Speaker 1: sort of thing, And now it's much more like what's

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Speaker 1: my work life balance? What really matters? And like they

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Speaker 1: didn't even have I don't feel like anyone was talking

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Speaker 1: about that in the eighties, Like would be wrong, but

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Speaker 1: but yeah, so you know, maybe I don't know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but maybe if they had had any of that type

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Speaker 1: of mindset, it might have been easier for George to

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Speaker 1: get to kind of understand that his life had to

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Speaker 1: be as much a priority as his work. And now

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Speaker 1: we kind of do feel that because we're like what lasts,

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01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, the people around me last. The job doesn't

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Speaker 1: always last. So anyway, yeah, we really love diving into

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Speaker 1: Marcia and George learning more about Star Wars, one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite franchises and stuff. So and hopefully you did too.

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Speaker 1: Please let us know what you thought. Um. We always

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Speaker 1: love hearing from you. Our email is Romance that I

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Speaker 1: on social media, Twitter and Instagram. I'm at O Grade,

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Speaker 1: It's Eli, I'm at Dynamite Boom, and the show is

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Speaker 1: so much for listening and spending your time with us today.

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