WEBVTT - Why did people used to look older? 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.880 Hey, before we get today's episode started, we are working 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.240 on a advice column mail bag episode. So if you 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:14.160 want many Noah and Me to give you friendship advice, 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.639 maybe you have an annoying coworker, send us an email 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.680 at Manny Noah Deevin at gmail dot com. You can 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.640 either send it in text or send us a voice memo. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:28.640 Or we actually have a hotline now, so we'll have 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.000 that number in the show note, so you can give 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.680 us a call, leave us a voice memo. 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:37.000 Try to keep it short. All right, let's start the show. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:40.760 I'm Manny, I'm Noah. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:41.200 And this is Devin. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.199 And this is no such thing the show where we 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.320 settle our dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.920 research on today's episode. Why do teenagers back in the 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.120 day look so damn old? 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.400 There's no such thing thing. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:11.920 Such, all right, fellas, I feel like this happens every 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.480 other year at this point, But people are once again 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.039 circulating a photo of the cast of Chairs from the eighties. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.760 Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.600 And they're always bad. And it's getting a lot of 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:33.840 attention because people were saying that these people who at 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.959 the time were in their thirties look like they're someone 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.119 were saying in their forties, and somewhere going as far 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.640 as saying in their fifties or sixties. And this is 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.080 just another example of this growing conversation that we have 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.000 been having and people online have been having around why 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.120 people in the past look so much older than people today. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:56.000 Have you ever wondered why people in the past looked 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:58.000 so much older than we do? 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.560 Did people used to look older? Brandon McCarthy asked on Twitter, 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.920 and evidence poured in. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.440 You see, I'm convinced that people in the past looked older. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.720 Than their age, or people today look younger. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:12.440 I don't know. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.760 So just first of all, do we all agree with 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.280 that general sentiment that people back in the day, say, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.640 a thirty year old in nineteen seventy, looked older than 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.080 a thirty year old looks today. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:23.880 Yeah, definitely. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.320 Yeah. You see it all the time. You see these 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.640 like old black and white photos of someone who's like 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.200 this person was only seventeen when they started this company, 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.079 and it's like they look like they're forty five. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.160 Yeah, yeah, it looks like a grown man. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.080 The other arena I run into to this phenomenon all 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.480 the time. Is watching old sports footage. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.920 Funny you say that because you actually sent this in 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.720 our group chat a little while ago. If you want 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.120 to pull up this video. 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:57.400 So this is a TikToker going through Penn States? Is 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:01.200 this this is increded nineteen eighty five team. 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.240 I am genuinely confused whenever somebody makes the claim that 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.480 gen Z is aging like milk, because this is what 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.839 college football players look like in the nineteen eighties. This guy, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.600 Michael Zordik, he looks like he has kids that are 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.800 currently in high school. This guy Bob White looks like 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.600 he's been serving as a cop for the past ten years. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:23.480 No, yeah, they look ancient. I think college athletes are 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.280 probably some of the healthiest people in the country. 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.359 Yeah, oh yeah, just. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.440 In terms of like their physicality. Maybe they're eating bullshit 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:32.400 on campus. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:33.639 But like they're doing a lot more. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:34.040 Yeah. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:38.160 Sure, they're working out at least twice a day. They're young. Yeah, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.800 so yeah, it's bizarre to see, you know, some of 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:42.560 these photos. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.520 All right, So what do we think or why do 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.640 we think people back in the day looked so much 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.760 older than they do today? 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.960 Like, what are something that theories that come to mind 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:55.400 for you? Guys. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.760 Some are general health things, so I think people drink 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:07.600 more water now true as yeah exactly seventeen sixteen, Yeah, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:11.560 sunscreen and kind of more general like wellness things like that, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.360 I think, and and then maybe overall diet. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:16.960 Yeah. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.880 I One of my theories too, is that when we're 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.520 looking at old footage or pictures or something that's very 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.800 clearly from that era, we might be associated old with 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:30.840 the past. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:32.640 Yeah. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.039 Yeah, Like there's a theory that all of this is 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.880 basically because of the style. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.760 Yeah, I think a lot of it is, but yeah, I. 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.680 Don't know if I buy that. I don't know. I 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:43.000 think some of it is. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.040 I think some of it can you know, maybe it's 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.520 ten percent. But to me, I'm like, Okay, with a 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:52.800 lot of this stuff, I'm just seeing this person's face 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.200 right Like we're in these headshots of these football players. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.440 I'm not even seeing there's no style. Okay, shuret to 0:04:58.440 --> 0:04:59.400 happen much, kids, And. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:00.280 I love much. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.400 When you watch Quirai or something and they take someone 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.039 and do a you know three, do you give them 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:05.560 the makeover? 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:06.880 Yeah, even just their hair or. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.520 Something that can take a lot of like that. I 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.640 can take about ten years off you easily. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:13.640 Yeah, I think it can account for some of it. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.600 I don't think it counts for like a lot of 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.479 what I'm seeing. Like people are like, there's a huge 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.480 thread of this on Twitter, like four or five years ago, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.360 and people were posting like their parents, Yeah, their parents 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.680 being like twenty two years old, like pregnant with them, 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.120 and these people look like it's the person's grandparents. And 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.359 the photos, you know, and that's like, yeah, some of 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.640 it may be okay, the photos black and white. But 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.080 I'm just like, if I took a current photo and 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.919 made it black and white, I wouldn't think, oh, no, 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:45.600 it looks like he's forty five years old. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.240 Well, let me back up for a minute. How do 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.880 we think we look as a group? 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:58.120 Age and how people perceive my age is a very 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.160 common occurrence in my life because because of how often 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.240 I get carded at bars. Recently, I was in Williamsburg 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.680 trying to get into this like cool new wine bar 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.560 and the guy at the front carded me, but I 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.320 left my card at home and I was like, all right, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.880 thanks anyway, man, And then I went to the side 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:19.960 started talking to my friend who I went with, and 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.120 I was like, man, if only this person who I 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.880 was fucking thirty three years old. And then he oh 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.440 he heard me, and he was like, you're thirty three 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.080 years old, Like you should have led with that. 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.680 Come on in you thought you were a twenty year 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:32.960 old young boy. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.160 Yeah to get I've got a baby face, so I 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.400 got the cheeks on me. I think that contributes to it. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.520 If I didn't know you, I don't think twenty, I 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.360 wouldn't say twenty. I would say twenty four. Maybe, yeah, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.680 I was going low. Yeah, I probably guess like like 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:47.280 twenty seven. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.240 Yeah, weights to I think with my weight, like if 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.880 I lose a little bit of weight, I look older. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:52.560 Yeah. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.520 Oh, this is me contradicting myself based on what I 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.640 said earlier. I think we as a group here younger 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.880 than what we are. We live in New York, we 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.920 dress perhaps younger than a lot of our peers would, like, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.479 you know, when you go on the suburbs that are 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:10.160 not dressing like. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.520 Us, yeah, or like going into an office yeah exactly 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.440 where like you know you know. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.640 Yeah, So I think that also helps in terms of 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.920 like how we appear. But I think I still stand 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:27.000 by the theory that in general, our generation looks younger. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.600 Especially if you're just looking at faces and not taking 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.880 in the style side of things, that sort of stuff. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.280 After the break, I chat with a plastic surgeon who 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:41.600 did an analysis on how and why our faces age. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:58.920 We're back, so I chatted with doctor Caroline Hudson. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:03.000 I am a old plastic surgeon who has my practice 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.360 in Chicago, Illinois. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:10.200 So what what attracted you to your field? Was there something? 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.920 Is this something that you were thinking about since you 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:13.400 were a kid. Is this something that you got into 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:14.720 when when you're in college. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.560 Honestly, I uh, it started as a child when I 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:21.600 watched those plastic surgery shows on TV. 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.000 Oh yeah, literally, like I know, yes, yes. 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.160 Honestly it's not very academic the way it all started, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.040 but that I was pretty into those shows, very fascinated 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.679 by it all, and I alway kind of knew I 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.840 wanted to be a doctor. It felt like a calling 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.199 for me just from the beginning. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.600 I remember all those plastic surgery shows that like CLC Yeah, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:41.720 were you guys fans? 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:43.960 Yeah, I watched the one with the boob jobs all 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:49.000 the time. I can't remembering, I can't remember the name, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.280 but like all these women would go in and they would. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:57.120 It was like very uh revealing actually for a cable 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:02.000 TV show. Shows were very yeah you can they blurg 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.400 essentially just like just a tiny nipple and yeah. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.800 But they're cutting open people and it's just like on TV. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:09.880 Yeah, that was a little bit crazy for us to 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.600 be watching at age thirteen. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.760 I just always knew it would be plastic surgery, but 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.560 I decided to focus just mostly on the face, so 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.439 I did five years of had a neck surgery. I've 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.800 always just cared about how things look like pretty simply, 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.360 it matters who does your plastic surgery. It matters less 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:36.240 like who takes out your appendix, but it really there's 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:41.760 a level of artistry and taste to plastic surgery, and 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.760 that refinement is something I really liked. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.840 And it's one of those things too where I feel like, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.679 what this is like a lot of things where people 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.560 don't notice it until it's like a good plastic surgeon, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:53.719 you won't notice right, like. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.800 Yeah, you only notice it really when it is bad. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.440 So that's I think why it can have kind of 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.600 a bad reputation. People are thinking of the duck lips 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.520 or thinking of the wind tunnel, you know, face lift, 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.920 when really like true plastic surgery is so much more 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.560 subtle than that that most of the time you're not 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.640 even going to be able to tell if or what 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.000 procedure someone has had done. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.600 So that's like the goal, right, But I think often 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.280 when we think of plastic surgery, we think of like 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.480 the extremes of like the Michael Jackson's or like low 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.559 cam or you know someone who's just like that person 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:26.840 doesn't look like they used. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.400 To look like, or it doesn't even look like a person, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.000 like yes, natural person. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:31.600 Yeah, it's like this other thing. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.439 So I came across doctor Hudson because she was one 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:39.120 of the authors of the Analysis of Facial Aging, which 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.520 was a review summary which synthesizes like what we know 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.319 about facial aging. And it's one of those things that 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.839 like I think we all know, like, oh, that person 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:53.520 looks old and that person looks young, but like I 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.800 wouldn't before reading his paper be able to put into 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.760 words why someone looks outside of like you know that 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.800 it's like that persons wrinkles, yeah, yeah, like crows feed, 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:07.280 yeah exactly, Like why like what changes happen to your 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:08.720 face as you age? 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.600 So that was the first. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.040 Thing that I want to hear it sort of break 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.439 down and like, what are the big changes that happened 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:16.840 to your face as you age? 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.439 A lot of things change, you know, intrinsically, like what's 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.640 going on with your body as you age. You're losing 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.200 facial volume, so a lot of times it's at the temple. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.560 You'll get some hollowing here, you get some hollowing in 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.120 your cheek area. You're just losing some of the fat 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.360 that lives kind of right underneath the skin and deeper 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:45.600 closer to your actual skeletal structure. So a full face 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.280 around face is considered a youthful appearance, and then like 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.160 a gaunt or more skeletal face is considered more an 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.560 aged look. So we talk about it in terms of 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.960 like a triangle and an inverted triangle. A triangle means 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.160 like you have more fullness to the lower part of 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.960 your face versus an inverted triangle. The angles and the 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.680 contours of the face change in pretty much a negative 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.680 way with aging, where we're losing everything that's good. We're 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.960 losing fat, the collagen starts to break down, We're not 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:21.760 turning over as much collagen, the elastin the moisture content, 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.320 how moisturize. Our skin is gets worse with age, so 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.319 just everything just kind of declines. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.920 It's kind of refreshing to hear a surgeon talk about 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.240 fat as a good thing. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:40.960 I know. 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.760 Was that was kind of shocking, Yeah, because you think 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.960 about a baby, it's like, yeah, they have, you know, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:47.400 fuller faces. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.240 Yeah, and we've I guess it was a year or 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.040 two years ago was the big uh Google fat surgery 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.600 trend where they kind of go into your mouth, I think, 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.200 and take the fat away from the inside of your cheek, 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:04.160 which makes you appear more skeletal for lack of a 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.040 better word. Yep, but people like that it's like a 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:07.880 gaunt look. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.240 Yeah, and that I've definitely noticed that with even just 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.360 like following different like actors in movies or something, you'll 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:17.160 just notice, you know, yeah, they lose weight just naturally 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:18.839 is your age or whatever. And then it's like, oh, yeah, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.199 now it's like you definitely look a lot older. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:22.480 So naturally, you know. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.280 I wanted to know sort of like what other factors 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.760 outside of just time that caused our faces to age. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.840 We quote in the paper eighty percent of extrinsic aging 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.679 is directly related to sun exposure. So alcohol, we know 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.160 it's not good for the skin. Cigarette smoke is not 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.320 good for the skin. But sun is going to be 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.800 like the main you know, negative factor when it comes 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.000 to aging. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.880 So it's out of all those smoking, drinking, you know, stress, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.640 the sun does the most damage. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.760 Yeah, for sure, for sure, And like we've learned that 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.320 along the way, right like decades ago, that was of 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:05.559 like maybe background information, if a consideration at all to 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.280 most people in the world or Americans, And now it's 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.120 something that's like very prevalent in societies, like apply your 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:19.560 sunscreen sun damage skin cancer. Reapply light skin people, dark 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.520 skinn people, whoever you are, put on sunscreen, you can 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.680 get skin cancer. Like it's so much more in the 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.920 public's mind, which is good because like the sun is 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.320 very harmful when it comes to skin and aging. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.360 All right, So she was talking about sun being the 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:40.360 biggest factory. That's also interesting if we're going to keep 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.600 using myself as an example. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:43.760 Here, because you don't use sunscreen. 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:46.640 I don't use sunscreen, but you know, I like being 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.640 in the sun, but I but I've noticed that I 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:53.200 become uncomfortable in the sun a lot sooner than most 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.280 of my friends. So I'm not in the sun. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.560 As much as that's true, you do hide from the 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.920 sun interesting and call it hiding. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.520 But project when I go to the beach, for example, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.040 you're in like hours and ninety minutes and I'm done. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.720 Oh yeah, some people are there like six hours. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.680 This makes sense because I was thinking about you when 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.160 she was saying this, because I know for a fact 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.520 you do not use sunscreen, because we've argued about this before, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.320 and I was like, how is Mann. You look so young, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:23.800 but you just limit your son time? 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:29.080 Uh look, not in not weird play video games all day? 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.360 Not in a not in like okay, well man refuses 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:33.960 to come out suns out. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.800 But just like you, you always. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.480 Look for shade when we go out to places, and 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.360 like you're not someone who's just gonna like sit in this. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.200 Like I guess it's uncomfortable, like. 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.440 After like thirty minutes or something like oh finding some shade? 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:51.720 Yeah yeah, no, do you use somebuck not not like regularly, 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.200 only pretty if you're going to the beach or you know, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.960 laying out of the pool, but like not like I 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.680 walked over here, you know, through the park. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:00.840 No sunscreen. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.240 I so every day, like in the morning, I will 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.200 put sunscreen on before I wash my face. Really like, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.360 I'll do like a water I wake up, I'll do 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:12.760 a water thing, and then I put sunscreen on because 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.840 I like when I'm walking my dog, that's the most time. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.040 I'm spending outside. Yeah. Well I was saying this too. 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.720 Growing up, you know, and black community, and this is 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.480 still something I argue with my family about today. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.480 They're like, we don't need sunscream we're black. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:27.800 Yeah. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.640 Yeah, it's like no, we do, Like, yeah, we thought 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:33.240 the idea. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.720 What is the idea is that, like you have more melanin, right, so. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.320 It's more of a protection. Obviously. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.440 You know, I've never gotten sunburn in my life, and 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.160 for a large part of my life I did not 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:43.120 wear some block. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.080 Yeah, but doesn't mean it's not harmful. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.200 Yeah, exactly. Exposure to the sun is like not great 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.280 for your skin. And she also looks at you know that, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.360 saying like black donk crack. How different ethnicities tend to inch. 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.040 Yeah in the brows strokes general speaking, you know, ninety 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:09.560 characters or less. It's Caucasian folks. White folks will have 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.959 less collagen in their skin, and so they are going 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.800 to be more susceptible to things like fine lines and wrinkles. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:25.520 Melanated folks will have more and tighter collagen bundles, making 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.160 them less susceptible to things like wrinkles, and so skin 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:34.520 stay smooth, but jowling, sagginess, laxity can be more obvious. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:38.000 So we lose like bony volume, like your your eyes 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.600 get a bit wider, the fat in your like your 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:45.399 eyebags under your eyes get more pronounced in everybody, but 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.879 then some of those changes are even more so in 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.119 say an African American individual. So it's sort of like 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.399 everybody has a pro and a con in what they're experiencing. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.120 Yeah, it's interesting thinking about, you know, the what causes 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.919 different demographics to have to have those kind of different 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:10.080 perceived effects on their age. Never thought about it like that. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.000 Did you guys see differences between men and women? 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.119 Yes, so, And some of this is compounded by the 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:23.040 fact that men kind of expose themselves to higher risk behaviors. 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.720 They're going to be more so like heavier drinkers and smokers, 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.439 especially depending on you know, what country you're talking about, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:36.359 but pretty much universally men smoke more than women. So 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.840 those factors can kind of compound things and make it 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.959 so that men are going to be wrinkling earlier on 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.640 and have like more pronounced wrinkles. But again, I think 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.560 the society at large sort of accepts that about men. Yeah, 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.239 and it's more of like, oh, he's like distinguished in 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:58.800 his old age. It's it's it's still considered like can 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.200 be considered part of the beauty aesthetic, whereas like if 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.480 a woman were to look wrinkly, it is automatically like, ooh, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:10.280 she's really let herself go. She's old. So, although it 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.560 is true men like age faster per se, I think 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.560 society is like more accepting of that. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.240 I know we're talking about a lot of like aging 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.280 in terms of how people look. How much of this 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.880 is tied to like your biological health? Do people who 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.560 look older generally have worse health than you know, someone 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.600 else who may look younger at their age, or is 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:43.880 or is this just like a whole different thing. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.520 It's a good question. I don't think there's a simple answer. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.679 I think it's that kind of classic nature versus nurture debate. 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.280 It's like does this person have good genetics or in 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.240 the example you provided of someone who looks like older 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.360 than they are. Do they just have bad genetics or 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.720 have they been unkind to their body? I would say 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:08.359 I guess, just anecdotally that most people who look well 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.240 beyond their years have had some hard times in life 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.240 where I don't think they're on their skincare regimen and 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.840 applying their SPF and you know, like hydrating their body. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.639 You know, like tend to have some unhealthy habits that 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.399 contribute to aging. But genetics certainly play a factor. Your 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:29.360 own biology can definitely play a role in aging. Those 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.560 are what we call intrinsic factors, which are just like 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:37.760 your DNA, your exposure to free radicals, and how your 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:42.040 body processes that. So like there's certainly like a biochemical 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.040 element of how your body responds to the aging process 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:46.880 versus somebody else. 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.840 Yeah, yeah, I've got to guess that genetics is probably 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.359 a factor. Can I can easily imagine, yeah, you know, 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.720 someone doing all the work they can, but you can't fight. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:02.080 Some people just look oh yeah yeah, and they don't 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:03.800 you know, it's not because of what they're doing out. 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:04.080 In the world. 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.000 When I was in middle school, one of our classmates 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:07.840 had a beard. 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:10.320 In middle school, That's what I'm talking about. 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.520 And you know, and we're in middle school, so he's 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.200