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Speaker 1: And this is no such thing the show where we
Speaker 1: settle our dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the
Speaker 1: research on today's episode. Why do teenagers back in the
Speaker 1: day look so damn old?
Speaker 3: There's no such thing thing.
Speaker 1: Such, all right, fellas, I feel like this happens every
Speaker 1: other year at this point, But people are once again
Speaker 1: circulating a photo of the cast of Chairs from the eighties.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name.
Speaker 1: And they're always bad. And it's getting a lot of
Speaker 1: attention because people were saying that these people who at
Speaker 1: the time were in their thirties look like they're someone
Speaker 1: were saying in their forties, and somewhere going as far
Speaker 1: as saying in their fifties or sixties. And this is
Speaker 1: just another example of this growing conversation that we have
Speaker 1: been having and people online have been having around why
Speaker 1: people in the past look so much older than people today.
Speaker 1: Have you ever wondered why people in the past looked
Speaker 1: so much older than we do?
Speaker 2: Did people used to look older? Brandon McCarthy asked on Twitter,
Speaker 2: and evidence poured in.
Speaker 4: You see, I'm convinced that people in the past looked older.
Speaker 3: Than their age, or people today look younger.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So just first of all, do we all agree with
Speaker 1: that general sentiment that people back in the day, say,
Speaker 1: a thirty year old in nineteen seventy, looked older than
Speaker 1: a thirty year old looks today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You see it all the time. You see these
Speaker 3: like old black and white photos of someone who's like
Speaker 3: this person was only seventeen when they started this company,
Speaker 3: and it's like they look like they're forty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it looks like a grown man.
Speaker 3: The other arena I run into to this phenomenon all
Speaker 3: the time. Is watching old sports footage.
Speaker 2: Funny you say that because you actually sent this in
Speaker 2: our group chat a little while ago. If you want
Speaker 2: to pull up this video.
Speaker 1: So this is a TikToker going through Penn States? Is
Speaker 1: this this is increded nineteen eighty five team.
Speaker 4: I am genuinely confused whenever somebody makes the claim that
Speaker 4: gen Z is aging like milk, because this is what
Speaker 4: college football players look like in the nineteen eighties. This guy,
Speaker 4: Michael Zordik, he looks like he has kids that are
Speaker 4: currently in high school. This guy Bob White looks like
Speaker 4: he's been serving as a cop for the past ten years.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, they look ancient. I think college athletes are
Speaker 3: probably some of the healthiest people in the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, just.
Speaker 3: In terms of like their physicality. Maybe they're eating bullshit
Speaker 3: on campus.
Speaker 2: But like they're doing a lot more.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure, they're working out at least twice a day. They're young. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's bizarre to see, you know, some of
Speaker 3: these photos.
Speaker 1: All right, So what do we think or why do
Speaker 1: we think people back in the day looked so much
Speaker 1: older than they do today?
Speaker 2: Like, what are something that theories that come to mind
Speaker 2: for you? Guys.
Speaker 6: Some are general health things, so I think people drink
Speaker 6: more water now true as yeah exactly seventeen sixteen, Yeah,
Speaker 6: sunscreen and kind of more general like wellness things like that,
Speaker 6: I think, and and then maybe overall diet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I One of my theories too, is that when we're
Speaker 3: looking at old footage or pictures or something that's very
Speaker 3: clearly from that era, we might be associated old with
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there's a theory that all of this is
Speaker 1: basically because of the style.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of it is, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if I buy that. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think some of it is.
Speaker 1: I think some of it can you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: ten percent. But to me, I'm like, Okay, with a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, I'm just seeing this person's face
Speaker 1: right Like we're in these headshots of these football players.
Speaker 1: I'm not even seeing there's no style. Okay, shuret to
Speaker 1: happen much, kids, And.
Speaker 2: I love much.
Speaker 6: When you watch Quirai or something and they take someone
Speaker 6: and do a you know three, do you give them
Speaker 6: the makeover?
Speaker 2: Yeah, even just their hair or.
Speaker 6: Something that can take a lot of like that. I
Speaker 6: can take about ten years off you easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it can account for some of it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it counts for like a lot of
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. Like people are like, there's a huge
Speaker 1: thread of this on Twitter, like four or five years ago,
Speaker 1: and people were posting like their parents, Yeah, their parents
Speaker 1: being like twenty two years old, like pregnant with them,
Speaker 1: and these people look like it's the person's grandparents. And
Speaker 1: the photos, you know, and that's like, yeah, some of
Speaker 1: it may be okay, the photos black and white. But
Speaker 1: I'm just like, if I took a current photo and
Speaker 1: made it black and white, I wouldn't think, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it looks like he's forty five years old.
Speaker 2: Well, let me back up for a minute. How do
Speaker 2: we think we look as a group?
Speaker 3: Age and how people perceive my age is a very
Speaker 3: common occurrence in my life because because of how often
Speaker 3: I get carded at bars. Recently, I was in Williamsburg
Speaker 3: trying to get into this like cool new wine bar
Speaker 3: and the guy at the front carded me, but I
Speaker 3: left my card at home and I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: thanks anyway, man, And then I went to the side
Speaker 3: started talking to my friend who I went with, and
Speaker 3: I was like, man, if only this person who I
Speaker 3: was fucking thirty three years old. And then he oh
Speaker 3: he heard me, and he was like, you're thirty three
Speaker 3: years old, Like you should have led with that.
Speaker 2: Come on in you thought you were a twenty year
Speaker 2: old young boy.
Speaker 3: Yeah to get I've got a baby face, so I
Speaker 3: got the cheeks on me. I think that contributes to it.
Speaker 2: If I didn't know you, I don't think twenty, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say twenty. I would say twenty four. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was going low. Yeah, I probably guess like like
Speaker 2: twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, weights to I think with my weight, like if
Speaker 3: I lose a little bit of weight, I look older.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is me contradicting myself based on what I
Speaker 1: said earlier. I think we as a group here younger
Speaker 1: than what we are. We live in New York, we
Speaker 1: dress perhaps younger than a lot of our peers would, like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you go on the suburbs that are
Speaker 1: not dressing like.
Speaker 6: Us, yeah, or like going into an office yeah exactly
Speaker 6: where like you know you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that also helps in terms of
Speaker 1: like how we appear. But I think I still stand
Speaker 1: by the theory that in general, our generation looks younger.
Speaker 6: Especially if you're just looking at faces and not taking
Speaker 6: in the style side of things, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: After the break, I chat with a plastic surgeon who
Speaker 1: did an analysis on how and why our faces age.
Speaker 1: We're back, so I chatted with doctor Caroline Hudson.
Speaker 5: I am a old plastic surgeon who has my practice
Speaker 5: in Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker 1: So what what attracted you to your field? Was there something?
Speaker 1: Is this something that you were thinking about since you
Speaker 1: were a kid. Is this something that you got into
Speaker 1: when when you're in college.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I uh, it started as a child when I
Speaker 5: watched those plastic surgery shows on TV.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, literally, like I know, yes, yes.
Speaker 5: Honestly it's not very academic the way it all started,
Speaker 5: but that I was pretty into those shows, very fascinated
Speaker 5: by it all, and I alway kind of knew I
Speaker 5: wanted to be a doctor. It felt like a calling
Speaker 5: for me just from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I remember all those plastic surgery shows that like CLC Yeah,
Speaker 1: were you guys fans?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the one with the boob jobs all
Speaker 3: the time. I can't remembering, I can't remember the name,
Speaker 3: but like all these women would go in and they would.
Speaker 3: It was like very uh revealing actually for a cable
Speaker 3: TV show. Shows were very yeah you can they blurg
Speaker 3: essentially just like just a tiny nipple and yeah.
Speaker 2: But they're cutting open people and it's just like on TV.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a little bit crazy for us to
Speaker 3: be watching at age thirteen.
Speaker 5: I just always knew it would be plastic surgery, but
Speaker 5: I decided to focus just mostly on the face, so
Speaker 5: I did five years of had a neck surgery. I've
Speaker 5: always just cared about how things look like pretty simply,
Speaker 5: it matters who does your plastic surgery. It matters less
Speaker 5: like who takes out your appendix, but it really there's
Speaker 5: a level of artistry and taste to plastic surgery, and
Speaker 5: that refinement is something I really liked.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things too where I feel like,
Speaker 1: what this is like a lot of things where people
Speaker 1: don't notice it until it's like a good plastic surgeon,
Speaker 1: you won't notice right, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you only notice it really when it is bad.
Speaker 5: So that's I think why it can have kind of
Speaker 5: a bad reputation. People are thinking of the duck lips
Speaker 5: or thinking of the wind tunnel, you know, face lift,
Speaker 5: when really like true plastic surgery is so much more
Speaker 5: subtle than that that most of the time you're not
Speaker 5: even going to be able to tell if or what
Speaker 5: procedure someone has had done.
Speaker 1: So that's like the goal, right, But I think often
Speaker 1: when we think of plastic surgery, we think of like
Speaker 1: the extremes of like the Michael Jackson's or like low
Speaker 1: cam or you know someone who's just like that person
Speaker 1: doesn't look like they used.
Speaker 6: To look like, or it doesn't even look like a person,
Speaker 6: like yes, natural person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this other thing.
Speaker 1: So I came across doctor Hudson because she was one
Speaker 1: of the authors of the Analysis of Facial Aging, which
Speaker 1: was a review summary which synthesizes like what we know
Speaker 1: about facial aging. And it's one of those things that
Speaker 1: like I think we all know, like, oh, that person
Speaker 1: looks old and that person looks young, but like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't before reading his paper be able to put into
Speaker 1: words why someone looks outside of like you know that
Speaker 1: it's like that persons wrinkles, yeah, yeah, like crows feed,
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, Like why like what changes happen to your
Speaker 1: face as you age?
Speaker 2: So that was the first.
Speaker 1: Thing that I want to hear it sort of break
Speaker 1: down and like, what are the big changes that happened
Speaker 1: to your face as you age?
Speaker 5: A lot of things change, you know, intrinsically, like what's
Speaker 5: going on with your body as you age. You're losing
Speaker 5: facial volume, so a lot of times it's at the temple.
Speaker 5: You'll get some hollowing here, you get some hollowing in
Speaker 5: your cheek area. You're just losing some of the fat
Speaker 5: that lives kind of right underneath the skin and deeper
Speaker 5: closer to your actual skeletal structure. So a full face
Speaker 5: around face is considered a youthful appearance, and then like
Speaker 5: a gaunt or more skeletal face is considered more an
Speaker 5: aged look. So we talk about it in terms of
Speaker 5: like a triangle and an inverted triangle. A triangle means
Speaker 5: like you have more fullness to the lower part of
Speaker 5: your face versus an inverted triangle. The angles and the
Speaker 5: contours of the face change in pretty much a negative
Speaker 5: way with aging, where we're losing everything that's good. We're
Speaker 5: losing fat, the collagen starts to break down, We're not
Speaker 5: turning over as much collagen, the elastin the moisture content,
Speaker 5: how moisturize. Our skin is gets worse with age, so
Speaker 5: just everything just kind of declines.
Speaker 3: It's kind of refreshing to hear a surgeon talk about
Speaker 3: fat as a good thing.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Was that was kind of shocking, Yeah, because you think
Speaker 1: about a baby, it's like, yeah, they have, you know,
Speaker 1: fuller faces.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've I guess it was a year or
Speaker 3: two years ago was the big uh Google fat surgery
Speaker 3: trend where they kind of go into your mouth, I think,
Speaker 3: and take the fat away from the inside of your cheek,
Speaker 3: which makes you appear more skeletal for lack of a
Speaker 3: better word. Yep, but people like that it's like a
Speaker 3: gaunt look.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that I've definitely noticed that with even just
Speaker 6: like following different like actors in movies or something, you'll
Speaker 6: just notice, you know, yeah, they lose weight just naturally
Speaker 6: is your age or whatever. And then it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: now it's like you definitely look a lot older.
Speaker 2: So naturally, you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know sort of like what other factors
Speaker 1: outside of just time that caused our faces to age.
Speaker 5: We quote in the paper eighty percent of extrinsic aging
Speaker 5: is directly related to sun exposure. So alcohol, we know
Speaker 5: it's not good for the skin. Cigarette smoke is not
Speaker 5: good for the skin. But sun is going to be
Speaker 5: like the main you know, negative factor when it comes
Speaker 5: to aging.
Speaker 1: So it's out of all those smoking, drinking, you know, stress,
Speaker 1: the sun does the most damage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, for sure, And like we've learned that
Speaker 5: along the way, right like decades ago, that was of
Speaker 5: like maybe background information, if a consideration at all to
Speaker 5: most people in the world or Americans, And now it's
Speaker 5: something that's like very prevalent in societies, like apply your
Speaker 5: sunscreen sun damage skin cancer. Reapply light skin people, dark
Speaker 5: skinn people, whoever you are, put on sunscreen, you can
Speaker 5: get skin cancer. Like it's so much more in the
Speaker 5: public's mind, which is good because like the sun is
Speaker 5: very harmful when it comes to skin and aging.
Speaker 3: All right, So she was talking about sun being the
Speaker 3: biggest factory. That's also interesting if we're going to keep
Speaker 3: using myself as an example.
Speaker 2: Here, because you don't use sunscreen.
Speaker 3: I don't use sunscreen, but you know, I like being
Speaker 3: in the sun, but I but I've noticed that I
Speaker 3: become uncomfortable in the sun a lot sooner than most
Speaker 3: of my friends. So I'm not in the sun.
Speaker 1: As much as that's true, you do hide from the
Speaker 1: sun interesting and call it hiding.
Speaker 3: But project when I go to the beach, for example,
Speaker 3: you're in like hours and ninety minutes and I'm done.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, some people are there like six hours.
Speaker 1: This makes sense because I was thinking about you when
Speaker 1: she was saying this, because I know for a fact
Speaker 1: you do not use sunscreen, because we've argued about this before,
Speaker 1: and I was like, how is Mann. You look so young,
Speaker 1: but you just limit your son time?
Speaker 2: Uh look, not in not weird play video games all day?
Speaker 1: Not in a not in like okay, well man refuses
Speaker 1: to come out suns out.
Speaker 2: But just like you, you always.
Speaker 1: Look for shade when we go out to places, and
Speaker 1: like you're not someone who's just gonna like sit in this.
Speaker 2: Like I guess it's uncomfortable, like.
Speaker 3: After like thirty minutes or something like oh finding some shade?
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, no, do you use somebuck not not like regularly,
Speaker 7: only pretty if you're going to the beach or you know,
Speaker 7: laying out of the pool, but like not like I
Speaker 7: walked over here, you know, through the park.
Speaker 2: No sunscreen.
Speaker 1: I so every day, like in the morning, I will
Speaker 1: put sunscreen on before I wash my face. Really like,
Speaker 1: I'll do like a water I wake up, I'll do
Speaker 1: a water thing, and then I put sunscreen on because
Speaker 1: I like when I'm walking my dog, that's the most time.
Speaker 2: I'm spending outside. Yeah. Well I was saying this too.
Speaker 1: Growing up, you know, and black community, and this is
Speaker 1: still something I argue with my family about today.
Speaker 2: They're like, we don't need sunscream we're black.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like no, we do, Like, yeah, we thought
Speaker 2: the idea.
Speaker 3: What is the idea is that, like you have more melanin, right, so.
Speaker 2: It's more of a protection. Obviously.
Speaker 1: You know, I've never gotten sunburn in my life, and
Speaker 1: for a large part of my life I did not
Speaker 1: wear some block.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but doesn't mean it's not harmful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Exposure to the sun is like not great
Speaker 1: for your skin. And she also looks at you know that,
Speaker 1: saying like black donk crack. How different ethnicities tend to inch.
Speaker 5: Yeah in the brows strokes general speaking, you know, ninety
Speaker 5: characters or less. It's Caucasian folks. White folks will have
Speaker 5: less collagen in their skin, and so they are going
Speaker 5: to be more susceptible to things like fine lines and wrinkles.
Speaker 5: Melanated folks will have more and tighter collagen bundles, making
Speaker 5: them less susceptible to things like wrinkles, and so skin
Speaker 5: stay smooth, but jowling, sagginess, laxity can be more obvious.
Speaker 5: So we lose like bony volume, like your your eyes
Speaker 5: get a bit wider, the fat in your like your
Speaker 5: eyebags under your eyes get more pronounced in everybody, but
Speaker 5: then some of those changes are even more so in
Speaker 5: say an African American individual. So it's sort of like
Speaker 5: everybody has a pro and a con in what they're experiencing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting thinking about, you know, the what causes
Speaker 3: different demographics to have to have those kind of different
Speaker 3: perceived effects on their age. Never thought about it like that.
Speaker 2: Did you guys see differences between men and women?
Speaker 5: Yes, so, And some of this is compounded by the
Speaker 5: fact that men kind of expose themselves to higher risk behaviors.
Speaker 5: They're going to be more so like heavier drinkers and smokers,
Speaker 5: especially depending on you know, what country you're talking about,
Speaker 5: but pretty much universally men smoke more than women. So
Speaker 5: those factors can kind of compound things and make it
Speaker 5: so that men are going to be wrinkling earlier on
Speaker 5: and have like more pronounced wrinkles. But again, I think
Speaker 5: the society at large sort of accepts that about men. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it's more of like, oh, he's like distinguished in
Speaker 5: his old age. It's it's it's still considered like can
Speaker 5: be considered part of the beauty aesthetic, whereas like if
Speaker 5: a woman were to look wrinkly, it is automatically like, ooh,
Speaker 5: she's really let herself go. She's old. So, although it
Speaker 5: is true men like age faster per se, I think
Speaker 5: society is like more accepting of that.
Speaker 1: I know we're talking about a lot of like aging
Speaker 1: in terms of how people look. How much of this
Speaker 1: is tied to like your biological health? Do people who
Speaker 1: look older generally have worse health than you know, someone
Speaker 1: else who may look younger at their age, or is
Speaker 1: or is this just like a whole different thing.
Speaker 5: It's a good question. I don't think there's a simple answer.
Speaker 5: I think it's that kind of classic nature versus nurture debate.
Speaker 5: It's like does this person have good genetics or in
Speaker 5: the example you provided of someone who looks like older
Speaker 5: than they are. Do they just have bad genetics or
Speaker 5: have they been unkind to their body? I would say
Speaker 5: I guess, just anecdotally that most people who look well
Speaker 5: beyond their years have had some hard times in life
Speaker 5: where I don't think they're on their skincare regimen and
Speaker 5: applying their SPF and you know, like hydrating their body.
Speaker 5: You know, like tend to have some unhealthy habits that
Speaker 5: contribute to aging. But genetics certainly play a factor. Your
Speaker 5: own biology can definitely play a role in aging. Those
Speaker 5: are what we call intrinsic factors, which are just like
Speaker 5: your DNA, your exposure to free radicals, and how your
Speaker 5: body processes that. So like there's certainly like a biochemical
Speaker 5: element of how your body responds to the aging process
Speaker 5: versus somebody else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've got to guess that genetics is probably
Speaker 3: a factor. Can I can easily imagine, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: someone doing all the work they can, but you can't fight.
Speaker 1: Some people just look oh yeah yeah, and they don't
Speaker 1: you know, it's not because of what they're doing out.
Speaker 2: In the world.
Speaker 3: When I was in middle school, one of our classmates
Speaker 3: had a beard.
Speaker 2: In middle school, That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: And you know, and we're in middle school, so he's
Speaker 3: instantly aged or whatever. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: So there have also been a bunch of studies that
Speaker 1: show that, based on like people's biomarkers, that people today
Speaker 1: are biologically younger than they were in the past. So
Speaker 1: I think maybe that plays a part as well in
Speaker 1: terms of just like people taking better care of themselves,
Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, not smoking, you know,
Speaker 1: exercising that sort of thing. But back to kind of
Speaker 1: where we started, I wanted to put our theory in
Speaker 1: front of doctor Hudson. Did she think a thirty year
Speaker 1: old today looked younger than let's say, a thirty year
Speaker 1: old in his seventies In general?
Speaker 5: I think that is true.
Speaker 2: Yes, Why do you think that is?
Speaker 5: I think there are a lot of different like things
Speaker 5: that can contribute to that. But from my perspective as
Speaker 5: a facial plastic surgeon, is, like we mentioned, like the
Speaker 5: beauty aesthetic our culture views beauty today is like looking
Speaker 5: youthful and equating youth with like that dewey glass skin,
Speaker 5: lack of wrinkles, poudy lips, like you name it. Like
Speaker 5: the features of today, it's much more important. It's much
Speaker 5: more at the forefront. Skincare is something that like a
Speaker 5: lot of just regular people think about and participate in.
Speaker 5: You know, to what degree varies, but you know, people
Speaker 5: think about what they're putting on their face. They're adding
Speaker 5: like potions and lotions of various kinds, right, And that's
Speaker 5: something I don't think like people fifty years ago we're
Speaker 5: spending any time thinking about. So it's just part of
Speaker 5: our The public awareness about sun exposure and UV is
Speaker 5: a big thing. The beauty standard of like having a
Speaker 5: know what we equate with looking youthful is more of
Speaker 5: a priority now. And so I think, like from a
Speaker 5: esthetics standpoint, those were the two things that I could
Speaker 5: come up with. I also think some of it's just
Speaker 5: sort of like psychology, where we were looking at someone
Speaker 5: a picture from like the nineteen seventies and like what
Speaker 5: they're wearing, ye, clothing, yeah, kind of how we it's
Speaker 5: like old people clothing. It's like an old person outfit. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And so there's just some psychology that goes into it
Speaker 5: of like that person looks really old. If you put
Speaker 5: them in like more modern clothes, they suddenly wouldn't look
Speaker 5: as old as old. Yeah, I mean, and I think
Speaker 5: life was probably just had a lot more like exposure
Speaker 5: to like cigarette smoke. And Yeah, people weren't like working
Speaker 5: like work from home laptop jobs. They were you know,
Speaker 5: they were like out there in the world doing like
Speaker 5: harder manual labor jobs. They didn't care as much about
Speaker 5: you know, how they looked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all those factors make a ton of sense. It
Speaker 3: makes me. I wish there was some way we could
Speaker 3: test it where we go back fifty years or whatever
Speaker 3: and give someone like a good skincare Do.
Speaker 2: You really care? You gotta use sunscreen every day.
Speaker 6: If you have a time trouble machine, this is what
Speaker 6: you do. You can do anything.
Speaker 3: I don't kill Hitler. I want to see how young dance,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna give him sunscreen.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So if someone is listening, it's like, okay, I want
Speaker 1: to look as young as possible for as long as possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what are some tips that you would give them?
Speaker 5: It's a common question, I get. So I do like
Speaker 5: ABC like vitamin A derivatives. So we've all heard of
Speaker 5: like retinol or retinoids. Retinoid is like the stronger version.
Speaker 5: The brand for that is typically threton a so or retina,
Speaker 5: which is tretono in. So everybody should be on some
Speaker 5: percentage of that because that is the best topical treatment
Speaker 5: you can do to your skin when it comes to
Speaker 5: hyper pigmentation, fine lines, pores, stimulating collagen. It's an excellent
Speaker 5: topical solution for any of your skin care needs. So
Speaker 5: everyone should be on thretono in in my opinion, B
Speaker 5: would be like block for like some block, so everyone
Speaker 5: should apply their SPF. And then the third thing is
Speaker 5: vitamin C. So that helps kind of protect your skin
Speaker 5: against free radicals and kind of some of those extrinsic factors.
Speaker 5: They're basically like things that like the sun radiation will
Speaker 5: give off that can kind of break down DNA in
Speaker 5: your skin at the cellular level to lead to fat,
Speaker 5: you know, a rapid more rapid aging process. So free
Speaker 5: radicals are bad basically, and vitamin C helps protect against those.
Speaker 5: People ask like do I need certain products? Do I
Speaker 5: like are the more expensive products that are better?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I tend not to think, so I equate it more
Speaker 5: to like exercise, consistency is the key. So if you're
Speaker 5: doing those three things, like you're doing better than ninety
Speaker 5: five percent of the population, and if you're doing on
Speaker 5: a consistent basis, that's really like the best way to
Speaker 5: set yourself up for like you know, a smooth aging process.
Speaker 2: In outside of the products, there's also some lifestyle things
Speaker 2: that you can keep in mind.
Speaker 5: I mean, drinking water for sure will help, even just
Speaker 5: like temporarily a lot of times, if you're like, wow,
Speaker 5: I'm looking really wrinkly and old, if you just have
Speaker 5: like two giant, like cold glasses of water, that will
Speaker 5: have like a plumping, nice hydrating effect on your skin
Speaker 5: and you will see fewer fine lines. It's not a
Speaker 5: like a fix or of like a temporary effect, but
Speaker 5: one hundred percent hydration will make your skin look plumper
Speaker 5: and nicer and give you like a glow. So your
Speaker 5: hydration matters what you're putting in your body just in general,
Speaker 5: what your diet. If you eat like crap, your skin
Speaker 5: will look like crap. If you eat well and like
Speaker 5: treat your body well. Your skin is just an organ
Speaker 5: like everything else. So if you treat your body well,
Speaker 5: like your skin will be in a healthier place and
Speaker 5: hopefully like visually, will you know reflect that as well, the.
Speaker 3: Body keeps the score.
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, it's I just came up with I just
Speaker 7: came up with that thought.
Speaker 2: And then as far as things that we can do without.
Speaker 5: Oh so many of.
Speaker 1: I tend to.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how we got into like ie creams
Speaker 5: as a Thing's like, why are eyes a separate part
Speaker 5: of your face? Then, like you're just your face skin?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is big for me because that's
Speaker 1: one of the few things I do have, is like
Speaker 1: an a caffeine I cream because someone told.
Speaker 2: Me to use it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that's fine, right, Like people, I'll meet
Speaker 5: patients who push back and they're like, I love my cream,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, that's great. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really, I can't tell.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know when we got to a point where
Speaker 5: I eye products were separate things. So I think some
Speaker 5: and they're so expensive, so I think it's a little
Speaker 5: bit gimmicky. Like expectation is everything. So if you're expecting
Speaker 5: something like with huge results, most things just have very
Speaker 5: small results.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: So based on what we heard from doctor Hudson, first
Speaker 1: of all, you guys gonna change is not changed? Are
Speaker 1: you going to start doing the skincare routine? Care about
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 2: Are you guys?
Speaker 1: Just like whatever I look young, genetics are good enough.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put on some block.
Speaker 2: I'll probably do it a little bit more. But to
Speaker 2: be honest, I don't care that much. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm worried about other things trying to
Speaker 2: get through the day.
Speaker 3: Did you see that Trump got elected again? I'm actually
Speaker 3: pretty preoccupied. No, No, I I don't know. I'm probably
Speaker 3: not going to change all that much. I will try
Speaker 3: out the facial, the face, moisturizer with an SPF, with
Speaker 3: an SPF, the sun block when I go outside. I
Speaker 3: think that's going to be a tough one for me.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying put on some block every time
Speaker 1: you go outside. I'm just saying, moisturizer with an SPF.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not on your body, yep, just on your face.
Speaker 3: Okay, why not?
Speaker 2: I'm sure me I had something in here that you
Speaker 2: could just pop on.
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 2: It's probably five different and once you becomes part of
Speaker 2: your routine.
Speaker 1: I used to be like you guys, Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about ten years ago, I wasn't doing any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty easy, like putting on lotion, doesn't take
Speaker 1: that long.
Speaker 2: I do put lotion off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like you're already in yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, many, you have no excuse because you're already in.
Speaker 1: I always like that he's introducing something new to his
Speaker 1: unless it's you know, cold out in his hand exactly.
Speaker 2: This man's not daily moisturizing you already.
Speaker 1: You already got to put it on your body, so
Speaker 1: it's just like, just get another another thing to put
Speaker 1: on your face. As I was wrapping this up, I
Speaker 1: came across this video.
Speaker 3: The title of this video is high school prom two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: Now, so that was two years before.
Speaker 3: Fortunately, that's only two years before we had our high
Speaker 3: school proms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to read you a comment here
Speaker 1: from Nurse Tommy.
Speaker 3: Nurse Tommy, all right.
Speaker 1: You cannot convince me that teenagers in this era did
Speaker 1: not look like they were at lead twenty five.
Speaker 6: Some of these guys look older, but I'd peg these
Speaker 6: as seventeen to twenty.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, but they were to argue about how old
Speaker 1: the people in the video looked.
Speaker 2: The point is that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of human nature to think
Speaker 1: that you look younger than you actually look. So there
Speaker 1: was actually a study that came out last year about
Speaker 1: this phenomenon oka They found that fifty nine percent of
Speaker 1: adults age fifty to eighty years old thought they looked
Speaker 1: younger than their peers. And what I found even more
Speaker 1: interesting about the study is that the people who reported
Speaker 1: that fifty nine percent who looking younger than their peers
Speaker 1: also reported having better mental and physical health. So we
Speaker 1: may be lying to ourselves by saying we look younger
Speaker 1: than the people around us, but that lying, or at
Speaker 1: least that attempt to look younger, may lead to some
Speaker 1: actual benefits. No thanks, No Such Thing as produced by
Speaker 1: Manny Fidelle, Noah Friedeman, and me Devin Joseph. Our theme
Speaker 1: song is by Manny. Additional music for this episode by Zeno.
Speaker 1: Our guest this week was doctor Carolina Hudson. I'm gonna
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