1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hey, before we get today's episode started, we are working 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: on a advice column mail bag episode. So if you 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: want many Noah and Me to give you friendship advice, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: maybe you have an annoying coworker, send us an email 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: at Manny Noah Deevin at gmail dot com. You can 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: either send it in text or send us a voice memo. 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: Or we actually have a hotline now, so we'll have 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: that number in the show note, so you can give 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: us a call, leave us a voice memo. 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: Try to keep it short. All right, let's start the show. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: I'm Manny, I'm Noah. 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: And this is Devin. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: And this is no such thing the show where we 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: settle our dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: research on today's episode. Why do teenagers back in the 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: day look so damn old? 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: There's no such thing thing. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Such, all right, fellas, I feel like this happens every 19 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: other year at this point, But people are once again 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: circulating a photo of the cast of Chairs from the eighties. 21 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name. 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: And they're always bad. And it's getting a lot of 23 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: attention because people were saying that these people who at 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: the time were in their thirties look like they're someone 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: were saying in their forties, and somewhere going as far 26 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: as saying in their fifties or sixties. And this is 27 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: just another example of this growing conversation that we have 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: been having and people online have been having around why 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: people in the past look so much older than people today. 30 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever wondered why people in the past looked 31 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: so much older than we do? 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: Did people used to look older? Brandon McCarthy asked on Twitter, 33 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: and evidence poured in. 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: You see, I'm convinced that people in the past looked older. 35 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: Than their age, or people today look younger. 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: So just first of all, do we all agree with 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: that general sentiment that people back in the day, say, 39 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: a thirty year old in nineteen seventy, looked older than 40 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: a thirty year old looks today. 41 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. You see it all the time. You see these 43 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: like old black and white photos of someone who's like 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: this person was only seventeen when they started this company, 45 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 3: and it's like they look like they're forty five. 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it looks like a grown man. 47 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: The other arena I run into to this phenomenon all 48 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: the time. Is watching old sports footage. 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: Funny you say that because you actually sent this in 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: our group chat a little while ago. If you want 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: to pull up this video. 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: So this is a TikToker going through Penn States? Is 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: this this is increded nineteen eighty five team. 54 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 4: I am genuinely confused whenever somebody makes the claim that 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: gen Z is aging like milk, because this is what 56 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 4: college football players look like in the nineteen eighties. This guy, 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: Michael Zordik, he looks like he has kids that are 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 4: currently in high school. This guy Bob White looks like 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 4: he's been serving as a cop for the past ten years. 60 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: No, yeah, they look ancient. I think college athletes are 61 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: probably some of the healthiest people in the country. 62 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, just. 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: In terms of like their physicality. Maybe they're eating bullshit 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: on campus. 65 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 2: But like they're doing a lot more. 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 67 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: Sure, they're working out at least twice a day. They're young. Yeah, 68 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: so yeah, it's bizarre to see, you know, some of 69 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: these photos. 70 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: All right, So what do we think or why do 71 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: we think people back in the day looked so much 72 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: older than they do today? 73 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: Like, what are something that theories that come to mind 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: for you? Guys. 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 6: Some are general health things, so I think people drink 76 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 6: more water now true as yeah exactly seventeen sixteen, Yeah, 77 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 6: sunscreen and kind of more general like wellness things like that, 78 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 6: I think, and and then maybe overall diet. 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 80 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: I One of my theories too, is that when we're 81 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 3: looking at old footage or pictures or something that's very 82 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: clearly from that era, we might be associated old with 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: the past. 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 85 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there's a theory that all of this is 86 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: basically because of the style. 87 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a lot of it is, but yeah, I. 88 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: Don't know if I buy that. I don't know. I 89 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: think some of it is. 90 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: I think some of it can you know, maybe it's 91 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: ten percent. But to me, I'm like, Okay, with a 92 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, I'm just seeing this person's face 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: right Like we're in these headshots of these football players. 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm not even seeing there's no style. Okay, shuret to 95 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: happen much, kids, And. 96 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: I love much. 97 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 6: When you watch Quirai or something and they take someone 98 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 6: and do a you know three, do you give them 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 6: the makeover? 100 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, even just their hair or. 101 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 6: Something that can take a lot of like that. I 102 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 6: can take about ten years off you easily. 103 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it can account for some of it. 104 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it counts for like a lot of 105 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. Like people are like, there's a huge 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: thread of this on Twitter, like four or five years ago, 107 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: and people were posting like their parents, Yeah, their parents 108 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: being like twenty two years old, like pregnant with them, 109 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: and these people look like it's the person's grandparents. And 110 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: the photos, you know, and that's like, yeah, some of 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: it may be okay, the photos black and white. But 112 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm just like, if I took a current photo and 113 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: made it black and white, I wouldn't think, oh, no, 114 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: it looks like he's forty five years old. 115 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: Well, let me back up for a minute. How do 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: we think we look as a group? 117 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: Age and how people perceive my age is a very 118 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: common occurrence in my life because because of how often 119 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: I get carded at bars. Recently, I was in Williamsburg 120 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: trying to get into this like cool new wine bar 121 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: and the guy at the front carded me, but I 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: left my card at home and I was like, all right, 123 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: thanks anyway, man, And then I went to the side 124 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: started talking to my friend who I went with, and 125 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: I was like, man, if only this person who I 126 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: was fucking thirty three years old. And then he oh 127 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: he heard me, and he was like, you're thirty three 128 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: years old, Like you should have led with that. 129 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: Come on in you thought you were a twenty year 130 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: old young boy. 131 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah to get I've got a baby face, so I 132 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: got the cheeks on me. I think that contributes to it. 133 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: If I didn't know you, I don't think twenty, I 134 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: wouldn't say twenty. I would say twenty four. Maybe, yeah, 135 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: I was going low. Yeah, I probably guess like like 136 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 2: twenty seven. 137 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, weights to I think with my weight, like if 138 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: I lose a little bit of weight, I look older. 139 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 140 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: Oh, this is me contradicting myself based on what I 141 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: said earlier. I think we as a group here younger 142 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: than what we are. We live in New York, we 143 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: dress perhaps younger than a lot of our peers would, like, 144 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: you know, when you go on the suburbs that are 145 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: not dressing like. 146 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 6: Us, yeah, or like going into an office yeah exactly 147 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 6: where like you know you know. 148 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think that also helps in terms of 149 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: like how we appear. But I think I still stand 150 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: by the theory that in general, our generation looks younger. 151 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 6: Especially if you're just looking at faces and not taking 152 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 6: in the style side of things, that sort of stuff. 153 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: After the break, I chat with a plastic surgeon who 154 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: did an analysis on how and why our faces age. 155 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: We're back, so I chatted with doctor Caroline Hudson. 156 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 5: I am a old plastic surgeon who has my practice 157 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 5: in Chicago, Illinois. 158 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: So what what attracted you to your field? Was there something? 159 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: Is this something that you were thinking about since you 160 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: were a kid. Is this something that you got into 161 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: when when you're in college. 162 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 5: Honestly, I uh, it started as a child when I 163 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 5: watched those plastic surgery shows on TV. 164 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, literally, like I know, yes, yes. 165 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: Honestly it's not very academic the way it all started, 166 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 5: but that I was pretty into those shows, very fascinated 167 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 5: by it all, and I alway kind of knew I 168 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 5: wanted to be a doctor. It felt like a calling 169 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 5: for me just from the beginning. 170 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: I remember all those plastic surgery shows that like CLC Yeah, 171 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: were you guys fans? 172 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the one with the boob jobs all 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: the time. I can't remembering, I can't remember the name, 174 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: but like all these women would go in and they would. 175 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 3: It was like very uh revealing actually for a cable 176 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: TV show. Shows were very yeah you can they blurg 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: essentially just like just a tiny nipple and yeah. 178 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 2: But they're cutting open people and it's just like on TV. 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a little bit crazy for us to 180 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: be watching at age thirteen. 181 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: I just always knew it would be plastic surgery, but 182 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 5: I decided to focus just mostly on the face, so 183 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 5: I did five years of had a neck surgery. I've 184 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: always just cared about how things look like pretty simply, 185 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: it matters who does your plastic surgery. It matters less 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 5: like who takes out your appendix, but it really there's 187 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 5: a level of artistry and taste to plastic surgery, and 188 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 5: that refinement is something I really liked. 189 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: And it's one of those things too where I feel like, 190 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: what this is like a lot of things where people 191 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: don't notice it until it's like a good plastic surgeon, 192 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: you won't notice right, like. 193 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, you only notice it really when it is bad. 194 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 5: So that's I think why it can have kind of 195 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 5: a bad reputation. People are thinking of the duck lips 196 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 5: or thinking of the wind tunnel, you know, face lift, 197 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 5: when really like true plastic surgery is so much more 198 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 5: subtle than that that most of the time you're not 199 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 5: even going to be able to tell if or what 200 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 5: procedure someone has had done. 201 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: So that's like the goal, right, But I think often 202 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: when we think of plastic surgery, we think of like 203 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: the extremes of like the Michael Jackson's or like low 204 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: cam or you know someone who's just like that person 205 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: doesn't look like they used. 206 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 6: To look like, or it doesn't even look like a person, 207 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 6: like yes, natural person. 208 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this other thing. 209 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: So I came across doctor Hudson because she was one 210 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: of the authors of the Analysis of Facial Aging, which 211 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: was a review summary which synthesizes like what we know 212 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: about facial aging. And it's one of those things that 213 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: like I think we all know, like, oh, that person 214 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: looks old and that person looks young, but like I 215 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't before reading his paper be able to put into 216 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: words why someone looks outside of like you know that 217 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: it's like that persons wrinkles, yeah, yeah, like crows feed, 218 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, Like why like what changes happen to your 219 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: face as you age? 220 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: So that was the first. 221 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: Thing that I want to hear it sort of break 222 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: down and like, what are the big changes that happened 223 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: to your face as you age? 224 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 5: A lot of things change, you know, intrinsically, like what's 225 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: going on with your body as you age. You're losing 226 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 5: facial volume, so a lot of times it's at the temple. 227 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 5: You'll get some hollowing here, you get some hollowing in 228 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: your cheek area. You're just losing some of the fat 229 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 5: that lives kind of right underneath the skin and deeper 230 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 5: closer to your actual skeletal structure. So a full face 231 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 5: around face is considered a youthful appearance, and then like 232 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 5: a gaunt or more skeletal face is considered more an 233 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 5: aged look. So we talk about it in terms of 234 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 5: like a triangle and an inverted triangle. A triangle means 235 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 5: like you have more fullness to the lower part of 236 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 5: your face versus an inverted triangle. The angles and the 237 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 5: contours of the face change in pretty much a negative 238 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 5: way with aging, where we're losing everything that's good. We're 239 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 5: losing fat, the collagen starts to break down, We're not 240 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 5: turning over as much collagen, the elastin the moisture content, 241 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 5: how moisturize. Our skin is gets worse with age, so 242 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 5: just everything just kind of declines. 243 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: It's kind of refreshing to hear a surgeon talk about 244 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: fat as a good thing. 245 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: I know. 246 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Was that was kind of shocking, Yeah, because you think 247 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: about a baby, it's like, yeah, they have, you know, 248 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: fuller faces. 249 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've I guess it was a year or 250 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: two years ago was the big uh Google fat surgery 251 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: trend where they kind of go into your mouth, I think, 252 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: and take the fat away from the inside of your cheek, 253 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: which makes you appear more skeletal for lack of a 254 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: better word. Yep, but people like that it's like a 255 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 3: gaunt look. 256 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that I've definitely noticed that with even just 257 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 6: like following different like actors in movies or something, you'll 258 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 6: just notice, you know, yeah, they lose weight just naturally 259 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 6: is your age or whatever. And then it's like, oh, yeah, 260 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 6: now it's like you definitely look a lot older. 261 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: So naturally, you know. 262 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to know sort of like what other factors 263 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: outside of just time that caused our faces to age. 264 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 5: We quote in the paper eighty percent of extrinsic aging 265 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 5: is directly related to sun exposure. So alcohol, we know 266 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 5: it's not good for the skin. Cigarette smoke is not 267 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 5: good for the skin. But sun is going to be 268 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 5: like the main you know, negative factor when it comes 269 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: to aging. 270 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: So it's out of all those smoking, drinking, you know, stress, 271 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: the sun does the most damage. 272 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, for sure, And like we've learned that 273 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 5: along the way, right like decades ago, that was of 274 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 5: like maybe background information, if a consideration at all to 275 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: most people in the world or Americans, And now it's 276 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 5: something that's like very prevalent in societies, like apply your 277 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 5: sunscreen sun damage skin cancer. Reapply light skin people, dark 278 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 5: skinn people, whoever you are, put on sunscreen, you can 279 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 5: get skin cancer. Like it's so much more in the 280 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 5: public's mind, which is good because like the sun is 281 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 5: very harmful when it comes to skin and aging. 282 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: All right, So she was talking about sun being the 283 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 3: biggest factory. That's also interesting if we're going to keep 284 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: using myself as an example. 285 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: Here, because you don't use sunscreen. 286 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: I don't use sunscreen, but you know, I like being 287 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: in the sun, but I but I've noticed that I 288 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: become uncomfortable in the sun a lot sooner than most 289 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: of my friends. So I'm not in the sun. 290 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: As much as that's true, you do hide from the 291 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: sun interesting and call it hiding. 292 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: But project when I go to the beach, for example, 293 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: you're in like hours and ninety minutes and I'm done. 294 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, some people are there like six hours. 295 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: This makes sense because I was thinking about you when 296 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: she was saying this, because I know for a fact 297 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: you do not use sunscreen, because we've argued about this before, 298 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, how is Mann. You look so young, 299 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: but you just limit your son time? 300 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: Uh look, not in not weird play video games all day? 301 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: Not in a not in like okay, well man refuses 302 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: to come out suns out. 303 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: But just like you, you always. 304 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: Look for shade when we go out to places, and 305 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: like you're not someone who's just gonna like sit in this. 306 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: Like I guess it's uncomfortable, like. 307 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: After like thirty minutes or something like oh finding some shade? 308 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, no, do you use somebuck not not like regularly, 309 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 7: only pretty if you're going to the beach or you know, 310 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 7: laying out of the pool, but like not like I 311 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 7: walked over here, you know, through the park. 312 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: No sunscreen. 313 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: I so every day, like in the morning, I will 314 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: put sunscreen on before I wash my face. Really like, 315 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I'll do like a water I wake up, I'll do 316 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: a water thing, and then I put sunscreen on because 317 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: I like when I'm walking my dog, that's the most time. 318 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: I'm spending outside. Yeah. Well I was saying this too. 319 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: Growing up, you know, and black community, and this is 320 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: still something I argue with my family about today. 321 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: They're like, we don't need sunscream we're black. 322 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 323 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like no, we do, Like, yeah, we thought 324 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: the idea. 325 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 3: What is the idea is that, like you have more melanin, right, so. 326 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: It's more of a protection. Obviously. 327 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: You know, I've never gotten sunburn in my life, and 328 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: for a large part of my life I did not 329 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: wear some block. 330 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but doesn't mean it's not harmful. 331 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Exposure to the sun is like not great 332 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: for your skin. And she also looks at you know that, 333 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: saying like black donk crack. How different ethnicities tend to inch. 334 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: Yeah in the brows strokes general speaking, you know, ninety 335 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: characters or less. It's Caucasian folks. White folks will have 336 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 5: less collagen in their skin, and so they are going 337 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 5: to be more susceptible to things like fine lines and wrinkles. 338 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 5: Melanated folks will have more and tighter collagen bundles, making 339 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 5: them less susceptible to things like wrinkles, and so skin 340 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 5: stay smooth, but jowling, sagginess, laxity can be more obvious. 341 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: So we lose like bony volume, like your your eyes 342 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 5: get a bit wider, the fat in your like your 343 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 5: eyebags under your eyes get more pronounced in everybody, but 344 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 5: then some of those changes are even more so in 345 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 5: say an African American individual. So it's sort of like 346 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 5: everybody has a pro and a con in what they're experiencing. 347 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting thinking about, you know, the what causes 348 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: different demographics to have to have those kind of different 349 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: perceived effects on their age. Never thought about it like that. 350 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: Did you guys see differences between men and women? 351 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 5: Yes, so, And some of this is compounded by the 352 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 5: fact that men kind of expose themselves to higher risk behaviors. 353 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 5: They're going to be more so like heavier drinkers and smokers, 354 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 5: especially depending on you know, what country you're talking about, 355 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 5: but pretty much universally men smoke more than women. So 356 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 5: those factors can kind of compound things and make it 357 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 5: so that men are going to be wrinkling earlier on 358 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 5: and have like more pronounced wrinkles. But again, I think 359 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 5: the society at large sort of accepts that about men. Yeah, 360 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,239 Speaker 5: and it's more of like, oh, he's like distinguished in 361 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 5: his old age. It's it's it's still considered like can 362 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 5: be considered part of the beauty aesthetic, whereas like if 363 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 5: a woman were to look wrinkly, it is automatically like, ooh, 364 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: she's really let herself go. She's old. So, although it 365 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: is true men like age faster per se, I think 366 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 5: society is like more accepting of that. 367 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: I know we're talking about a lot of like aging 368 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: in terms of how people look. How much of this 369 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: is tied to like your biological health? Do people who 370 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: look older generally have worse health than you know, someone 371 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: else who may look younger at their age, or is 372 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: or is this just like a whole different thing. 373 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 5: It's a good question. I don't think there's a simple answer. 374 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 5: I think it's that kind of classic nature versus nurture debate. 375 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 5: It's like does this person have good genetics or in 376 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 5: the example you provided of someone who looks like older 377 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 5: than they are. Do they just have bad genetics or 378 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: have they been unkind to their body? I would say 379 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 5: I guess, just anecdotally that most people who look well 380 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: beyond their years have had some hard times in life 381 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 5: where I don't think they're on their skincare regimen and 382 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 5: applying their SPF and you know, like hydrating their body. 383 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 5: You know, like tend to have some unhealthy habits that 384 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 5: contribute to aging. But genetics certainly play a factor. Your 385 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 5: own biology can definitely play a role in aging. Those 386 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 5: are what we call intrinsic factors, which are just like 387 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: your DNA, your exposure to free radicals, and how your 388 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: body processes that. So like there's certainly like a biochemical 389 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 5: element of how your body responds to the aging process 390 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 5: versus somebody else. 391 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've got to guess that genetics is probably 392 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: a factor. Can I can easily imagine, yeah, you know, 393 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: someone doing all the work they can, but you can't fight. 394 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: Some people just look oh yeah yeah, and they don't 395 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's not because of what they're doing out. 396 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: In the world. 397 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 3: When I was in middle school, one of our classmates 398 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: had a beard. 399 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: In middle school, That's what I'm talking about. 400 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: And you know, and we're in middle school, so he's 401 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: instantly aged or whatever. Yeah, that's crazy. 402 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: So there have also been a bunch of studies that 403 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: show that, based on like people's biomarkers, that people today 404 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: are biologically younger than they were in the past. So 405 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: I think maybe that plays a part as well in 406 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: terms of just like people taking better care of themselves, 407 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: like we were talking about earlier, not smoking, you know, 408 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: exercising that sort of thing. But back to kind of 409 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: where we started, I wanted to put our theory in 410 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: front of doctor Hudson. Did she think a thirty year 411 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: old today looked younger than let's say, a thirty year 412 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: old in his seventies In general? 413 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 5: I think that is true. 414 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 2: Yes, Why do you think that is? 415 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 5: I think there are a lot of different like things 416 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 5: that can contribute to that. But from my perspective as 417 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 5: a facial plastic surgeon, is, like we mentioned, like the 418 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 5: beauty aesthetic our culture views beauty today is like looking 419 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 5: youthful and equating youth with like that dewey glass skin, 420 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 5: lack of wrinkles, poudy lips, like you name it. Like 421 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 5: the features of today, it's much more important. It's much 422 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 5: more at the forefront. Skincare is something that like a 423 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 5: lot of just regular people think about and participate in. 424 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 5: You know, to what degree varies, but you know, people 425 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 5: think about what they're putting on their face. They're adding 426 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 5: like potions and lotions of various kinds, right, And that's 427 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 5: something I don't think like people fifty years ago we're 428 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 5: spending any time thinking about. So it's just part of 429 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 5: our The public awareness about sun exposure and UV is 430 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 5: a big thing. The beauty standard of like having a 431 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 5: know what we equate with looking youthful is more of 432 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 5: a priority now. And so I think, like from a 433 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: esthetics standpoint, those were the two things that I could 434 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 5: come up with. I also think some of it's just 435 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 5: sort of like psychology, where we were looking at someone 436 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: a picture from like the nineteen seventies and like what 437 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 5: they're wearing, ye, clothing, yeah, kind of how we it's 438 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 5: like old people clothing. It's like an old person outfit. Yeah, 439 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 5: And so there's just some psychology that goes into it 440 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 5: of like that person looks really old. If you put 441 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 5: them in like more modern clothes, they suddenly wouldn't look 442 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 5: as old as old. Yeah, I mean, and I think 443 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 5: life was probably just had a lot more like exposure 444 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 5: to like cigarette smoke. And Yeah, people weren't like working 445 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 5: like work from home laptop jobs. They were you know, 446 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 5: they were like out there in the world doing like 447 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 5: harder manual labor jobs. They didn't care as much about 448 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 5: you know, how they looked. 449 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, all those factors make a ton of sense. It 450 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 3: makes me. I wish there was some way we could 451 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: test it where we go back fifty years or whatever 452 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 3: and give someone like a good skincare Do. 453 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: You really care? You gotta use sunscreen every day. 454 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 6: If you have a time trouble machine, this is what 455 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 6: you do. You can do anything. 456 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 3: I don't kill Hitler. I want to see how young dance, 457 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: and we're gonna give him sunscreen. 458 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: All right. 459 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: So if someone is listening, it's like, okay, I want 460 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: to look as young as possible for as long as possible. Yeah, 461 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: what are some tips that you would give them? 462 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 5: It's a common question, I get. So I do like 463 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 5: ABC like vitamin A derivatives. So we've all heard of 464 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 5: like retinol or retinoids. Retinoid is like the stronger version. 465 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 5: The brand for that is typically threton a so or retina, 466 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: which is tretono in. So everybody should be on some 467 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 5: percentage of that because that is the best topical treatment 468 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 5: you can do to your skin when it comes to 469 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 5: hyper pigmentation, fine lines, pores, stimulating collagen. It's an excellent 470 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 5: topical solution for any of your skin care needs. So 471 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 5: everyone should be on thretono in in my opinion, B 472 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 5: would be like block for like some block, so everyone 473 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 5: should apply their SPF. And then the third thing is 474 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 5: vitamin C. So that helps kind of protect your skin 475 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 5: against free radicals and kind of some of those extrinsic factors. 476 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: They're basically like things that like the sun radiation will 477 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 5: give off that can kind of break down DNA in 478 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 5: your skin at the cellular level to lead to fat, 479 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 5: you know, a rapid more rapid aging process. So free 480 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 5: radicals are bad basically, and vitamin C helps protect against those. 481 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 5: People ask like do I need certain products? Do I 482 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 5: like are the more expensive products that are better? 483 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 484 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 5: I tend not to think, so I equate it more 485 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 5: to like exercise, consistency is the key. So if you're 486 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 5: doing those three things, like you're doing better than ninety 487 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 5: five percent of the population, and if you're doing on 488 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 5: a consistent basis, that's really like the best way to 489 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 5: set yourself up for like you know, a smooth aging process. 490 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: In outside of the products, there's also some lifestyle things 491 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 2: that you can keep in mind. 492 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 5: I mean, drinking water for sure will help, even just 493 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 5: like temporarily a lot of times, if you're like, wow, 494 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 5: I'm looking really wrinkly and old, if you just have 495 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 5: like two giant, like cold glasses of water, that will 496 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 5: have like a plumping, nice hydrating effect on your skin 497 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 5: and you will see fewer fine lines. It's not a 498 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 5: like a fix or of like a temporary effect, but 499 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,360 Speaker 5: one hundred percent hydration will make your skin look plumper 500 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 5: and nicer and give you like a glow. So your 501 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 5: hydration matters what you're putting in your body just in general, 502 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: what your diet. If you eat like crap, your skin 503 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 5: will look like crap. If you eat well and like 504 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 5: treat your body well. Your skin is just an organ 505 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 5: like everything else. So if you treat your body well, 506 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 5: like your skin will be in a healthier place and 507 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 5: hopefully like visually, will you know reflect that as well, the. 508 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: Body keeps the score. 509 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, it's I just came up with I just 510 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 7: came up with that thought. 511 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: And then as far as things that we can do without. 512 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 5: Oh so many of. 513 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: I tend to. 514 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 5: I'm not sure how we got into like ie creams 515 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 5: as a Thing's like, why are eyes a separate part 516 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 5: of your face? Then, like you're just your face skin? 517 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is big for me because that's 518 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: one of the few things I do have, is like 519 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: an a caffeine I cream because someone told. 520 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: Me to use it. 521 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that's fine, right, Like people, I'll meet 522 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 5: patients who push back and they're like, I love my cream, 523 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 5: and I'm like, that's great. I don't. 524 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: I don't really, I can't tell. 525 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: I don't. 526 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 5: I don't know when we got to a point where 527 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 5: I eye products were separate things. So I think some 528 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 5: and they're so expensive, so I think it's a little 529 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 5: bit gimmicky. Like expectation is everything. So if you're expecting 530 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 5: something like with huge results, most things just have very 531 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 5: small results. 532 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: All right. 533 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: So based on what we heard from doctor Hudson, first 534 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: of all, you guys gonna change is not changed? Are 535 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: you going to start doing the skincare routine? Care about 536 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: your face. 537 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: Are you guys? 538 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: Just like whatever I look young, genetics are good enough. 539 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put on some block. 540 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: I'll probably do it a little bit more. But to 541 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: be honest, I don't care that much. Yeah, I'm not. 542 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: It's not like I'm worried about other things trying to 543 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: get through the day. 544 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: Did you see that Trump got elected again? I'm actually 545 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: pretty preoccupied. No, No, I I don't know. I'm probably 546 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 3: not going to change all that much. I will try 547 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: out the facial, the face, moisturizer with an SPF, with 548 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: an SPF, the sun block when I go outside. I 549 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: think that's going to be a tough one for me. 550 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying put on some block every time 551 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: you go outside. I'm just saying, moisturizer with an SPF. 552 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 553 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: Not on your body, yep, just on your face. 554 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: Okay, why not? 555 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure me I had something in here that you 556 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: could just pop on. 557 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: Definitely. 558 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: It's probably five different and once you becomes part of 559 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: your routine. 560 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: I used to be like you guys, Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, 561 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: about ten years ago, I wasn't doing any of this stuff. 562 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: It's it's pretty easy, like putting on lotion, doesn't take 563 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: that long. 564 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: I do put lotion off. 565 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like you're already in yet. 566 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, many, you have no excuse because you're already in. 567 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: I always like that he's introducing something new to his 568 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: unless it's you know, cold out in his hand exactly. 569 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 2: This man's not daily moisturizing you already. 570 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: You already got to put it on your body, so 571 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: it's just like, just get another another thing to put 572 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: on your face. As I was wrapping this up, I 573 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: came across this video. 574 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: The title of this video is high school prom two 575 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 3: thousand and eight. 576 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: Now, so that was two years before. 577 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: Fortunately, that's only two years before we had our high 578 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 3: school proms. 579 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to read you a comment here 580 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: from Nurse Tommy. 581 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: Nurse Tommy, all right. 582 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: You cannot convince me that teenagers in this era did 583 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: not look like they were at lead twenty five. 584 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 6: Some of these guys look older, but I'd peg these 585 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 6: as seventeen to twenty. 586 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, but they were to argue about how old 587 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: the people in the video looked. 588 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: The point is that. 589 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of human nature to think 590 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: that you look younger than you actually look. So there 591 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: was actually a study that came out last year about 592 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: this phenomenon oka They found that fifty nine percent of 593 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: adults age fifty to eighty years old thought they looked 594 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: younger than their peers. And what I found even more 595 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: interesting about the study is that the people who reported 596 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: that fifty nine percent who looking younger than their peers 597 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: also reported having better mental and physical health. So we 598 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: may be lying to ourselves by saying we look younger 599 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: than the people around us, but that lying, or at 600 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: least that attempt to look younger, may lead to some 601 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: actual benefits. No thanks, No Such Thing as produced by 602 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: Manny Fidelle, Noah Friedeman, and me Devin Joseph. Our theme 603 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: song is by Manny. Additional music for this episode by Zeno. 604 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: Our guest this week was doctor Carolina Hudson. I'm gonna 605 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: link to her Instagram. 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