1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: Davey Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Hi you guys, welcome back 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: to another episode of Dirty Rush, and we are going 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: to continue our conversation with the women who know it 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: all and they are our house moms house directors, depending 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: who you talk to. So our next guest is Shanna. Welcome, Shanna. 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, it's so nice speaker. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: You're so nice to meet you, and I'm so glad 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: to see you because we have been speaking with house directors. 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: The last one that we spoke to was twenty four, 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: and so I'm trying to figure out how someone my age, 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: which I think we're probably around the same age, gets 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: involved with this. And I'm in a little bit in 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: awe of you, I have to say, as opposed to 16 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: someone you know, younger like our last guests, but what 17 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 2: a job for you to have? This cannot be I'm 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: sure it's wonderful and fun but also difficult and exhausting. 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: A lot of jobs are like that, fair enough, and 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: so this one you get a lot of good perks 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: with it too, So it probably bounces. 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: Out how long have you been doing this twelve years? 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: Twelve years is a lot of years, and I correct 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: that you did this. You were a house director for 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: a fraternity. I was for four years, okay, okay, then. 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: Sorority, and then I'm a consultant now for sorties across 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: the country. So I've had kind of a different perspective 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: because I've been able to see a lot of different 29 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: sizes of groups and Greek organizations and fraternities and sororities, 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: and also the house mom versus house director versus property manager. Yes, 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, choices that people make now just because of 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: the size of the organization primarily. 33 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: So okay, So I had a house mom when I 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: was in a sorority named Aunt Millie. So we're going 35 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: back hundreds of years, of course, but I now is 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: it just you could still say house mom? Is that? 37 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: Do Some women like it? Some women don't like it. 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's honestly, the size of the organization 39 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: and the size of the school. There are still some 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: small schools that have house moms, and most house moms 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: are very proud to be called that. Yeah, you know, 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: and a lot of them have been doing it for 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: a lot of years. And so it's it's a compliment. 44 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: You know. 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: I think to those ladies that are less on the 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: property management side, you know, they're going to be more 47 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, in a house of seven to nine girls, 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: probably no more than twenty, got it in pretty small organizations, 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: they're going to be the ones that order the food, 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: that cook, you know, that make sure the house is clean, 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: that make sure the girls are safe. And it's a 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: lot more. Probably what your situation was. 53 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: We had, well, we had a lot of girls, but 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: we definitely called her house mom and she was definitely 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: felt very maternal. Right, so you are, you're house director? 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: So is there so you live in a house with 57 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure a ton of young girls are the school. 58 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: I've been calls it a property manager because we have 59 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: four hundred in organizations and we feed them twice a day, 60 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: which is massive. So we have a staff of six 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: in the kitchen. 62 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to stop for a minute. 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: You're in charge of four hundred Yes, God bless you, 64 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: my friend. 65 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: Ye me. Well, a lot different, That's what I mean. 66 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: It's a lot different. Our houses hold about forty people 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: that actually live in, but the chapter rooms and the 68 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: dining room seat four hundred. So now they're not little 69 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: houses anymore. It's like running a motel. 70 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: Honestly, Yeah, yeah, I could totally see that. So i' 71 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: mean sure there are I'm sure there are obvious differences 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: between working for the fraternity as opposed to the sorority. 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 2: But anything that we wouldn't guess, I mean I would 74 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: think that it would be well, I don't know which 75 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: is harder. 76 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Oh, oh, they're different, because, uh, the things that I 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: loved about the fraternity were probably the things that are 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: very similar to sororities, because it was funny you come 79 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: in the dining room and you hear them talking about 80 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: a recipe that they cooked, or you know, some perfect 81 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: way to grill out, or you know, planning a party. 82 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: They have the same questions and you know they wanted 83 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: to make it the best they could. And so yeah, 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: the biggest difference I saw will make you laugh. Honestly, 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: when men drink too much, they tend to get angry sometimes, 86 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: where women ugly cry. Yeah, that is the biggest difference 87 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: I've seen. 88 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: So I think I think if I had to choose, 89 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 2: I would choose an ugly crier. I think that's just 90 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: me that we're an angry drunk, but I mean nice 91 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 2: for both. 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 93 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: One of the best parts of this What are the 94 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: most fulfilling parts of this? 95 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: See the growth? I think the leadership. Oh, most of 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: the students I've seen in the Argurent organizations or movers 97 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: and shakers, they're the leaders. They're going to be the 98 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: CFOs and the COEO CEOs. And to see them take 99 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: leadership roles in their organizations and just blossom, you know, 100 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: And so many of them are much more prepared when 101 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: they leave college because they've already had to get four 102 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: hundred people to agree on something, yeah, you know, and 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: that's huge. Yeah, so they're already leaders, and their budgets 104 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: are massive. I mean when they throw a party, now 105 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: it's a twenty thousand dollars party. You imagine, you know, 106 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: it's just completely different. Right. 107 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 2: Were you in a sority, yes, okay, yes, okay, because 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: it wasn't like that for us back in the day. 109 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: It was not twenty thousand dollars. It was probably if 110 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: it was fifteen hundred, it was a good day. 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was probably the whole budget. Yeah, yeah, it's 112 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: now it's complete. It's so different. But it also depends 113 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: on what reagon the country in and how big the 114 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: organization itself is right there. I mean, it's a massive 115 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: industry now. Where it formerly was the chapter itself owned 116 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: the house probably and the chapter alumnae probably. We're making 117 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: the rules, where now there's so many national organizations that 118 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: it's they're the ones mandating the organizational rules. And then 119 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: some of the house directors or house moms their property managers, 120 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: whatever their title are work for the state, which is interesting. 121 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: Really if it's a state supportive school, they often are employees. 122 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 2: That's interesting. 123 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: So it's really a different world than what it was 124 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: forty years ago. 125 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: Well, so, in the form of house director that your 126 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 2: career has taken you, are you able to develop close 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: relationships with the girls or is it more sort of 128 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 2: you're so busy running the logistics? Is that as much 129 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: do you do both? 130 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: Well, you live on You live with these ladies seven 131 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: days a week, twenty four hours a day for eight 132 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: months a year, and so you get to know every name. 133 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: You get to know their personalities, their quirks, their their hopes, 134 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: their aspirations, and I you know, yeah, you get to 135 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: know them all. 136 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, is that is that one of the parts. 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: I would think that would be the most fulfilling. 138 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, just to see them become who they 139 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: want to be and be comfortable in their own skin. 140 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: A lot of men and women that come into college 141 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: that have been hovered upon by their parents aren't sure 142 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: who they're going to be. Yeah, And and organizations like 143 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: Greek organizations tend to really push you to be who 144 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, And that's really interesting sometimes to see 145 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: how that transition works. It's pretty cool. 146 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: That is really cool. I never thought that that that 147 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: being a house. It's still I would get real It's 148 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: not something that I can handle. There's just no way 149 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: I would not I could barely handle my two kids, 150 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: so I would not know. I would not be equipped. 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: But the way that you're describing it, I mean it 152 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: sounds like, yeah, it would be fulfilling. I'd like the 153 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: idea of, you know, watching young people I don't know 154 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: grow and they do. 155 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 156 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: I love that. 157 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's the most most I think the eighteen 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: to twenty two year old is the most you develop 159 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: your own individuality. You know, you begin to believe who 160 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: you are and what you want and sort that out 161 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: between who your parents want. 162 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: Me to be that's good. Yeah, what do you think 163 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: the worst part of it. 164 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: Is the one percent there are. I always say that 165 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I work for the ninety nine percent, and I tell 166 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: my men and women, I said, whatever you give me, 167 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you back. If you treat me well, 168 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to treat you well. 169 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: It wouldn't treat you well. You really have likes. 170 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: It's that one percent that, okay, is difficult. And I 171 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: think you'd find that in any organization. I mean, I've 172 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: been in leadership in the c suite offices all my life. 173 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: Oh and really I find that with every age group. 174 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean people in a boardroom compared to you know, 175 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: people in a Greek organization, they're very similar. But I 176 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: think the thing a lot of people don't realize is 177 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: the chapter itself is run by the members. The house 178 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: directors or house moms don't really get involved in that 179 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: leadership or training of that because they are so self 180 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: sufficient and they're guided by their own principles, they're guided 181 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: by their own philanthropy, you know. So a lot of 182 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: that is kind of nice to be able just to watch. Yeah, 183 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: and you don't have to take part of that. So yes, 184 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: it is hard to get the logistics of a house managed, 185 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: depending on how many people you have. I mean there 186 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: are some houses now they're like dormitories that house the 187 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: entire organization. There's the one in Washington State I think 188 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: has four hundred people in it. There's one in Minnesota 189 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: that has four forty. Wow, they're massive, you know. So 190 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: of course it is a lot of logistics with a 191 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: lot of employees, you know, So you're managing that, but 192 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: you're also watching these young men and young women blossom 193 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: and the amazing leaders. 194 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: Well what about so what about you and your personal life? 195 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: Is it hard to have one? And I don't know 196 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: your situation if you have a partner or your family 197 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: of friends and nearby, is that hard to juggle? 198 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: I would venture to say no, because you get so 199 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: much time off right oka. You know, it's not a 200 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: twelve month job. There's some schools that are on quarters, 201 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: some that are on semesters. And so I'm solo, and 202 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: you know love that. I have children and grandchildren, and 203 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: I think it's very you know, you can balance it, 204 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: just say you at any career, it is balancing it. 205 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: But you know, we do get enough time to travel 206 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: and do things that we want to do. There are 207 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: organizations that allow couples. Generally speaking, a fraternity is going 208 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: to wish that they had a man or you know, 209 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: like I was in a frattorney also, but they are 210 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: generally not going to allow a man in a sorority. 211 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: I have not seen that. 212 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: And you said that, yeah, yeah, because I was talking 213 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: to a few of the directors that said, yes, that 214 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: it is like that they have a significant other, that 215 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: person can come into the suite you can't go into 216 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: maybe the main areas, but and that there are now 217 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: you're able to go in as a couple sometimes at 218 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: some schools. But so the fraternity you just said, the 219 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: fraternities would rather there be a man there than the 220 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: sororities would. Do you think the fraternities respond to you 221 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: as a house director as well as they would a 222 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: man somebody because you were living in the house or 223 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: Is that hard to manage? 224 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: I didn't find it hard hard to manage. I think 225 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: most of the young men that come into Greek organizations 226 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: are going to be respectful to anyone. Yeah, you know, 227 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: I said there's that one percent you know that in 228 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: any organization aren't going to be as they're going to 229 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: be a little bit more of a challenge. 230 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: I would think that one percent would creep up a 231 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: little in a fright house, but that's just me. 232 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, So maybe so also depends on the support system. 233 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: You know, house directors and house moms get a support 234 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: system from zero, you know to some schools. You know, 235 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: you live on the property where you're the university ends it, 236 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: so you're under the police service and the fire service, 237 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: and you're under the counseling service, and you're you know, 238 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: you have so much support from the Greek office or 239 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: the student life office that that gives you so much 240 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: help every day with what you're dealing with. I mean, 241 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: because you have to be a psychologist, and you have 242 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: to be a shape and you have to be a 243 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: business manager and a finance manager, and then you have 244 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: to know how to deal with students. So the more 245 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: support you can get and the more training you can get, 246 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: I think it really makes a difference. Like I said, 247 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: now it's a career. 248 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: It's very different, right, That's what I'm Yeah, that's what 249 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: I'm picking up on that this is like an actual career. 250 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: And I don't mean to say that in any kind 251 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: of a condescending way. I just think that when I was, 252 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: you know, going through the sorty life, I didn't think 253 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: that my house mom, it was sort of you know, 254 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 2: women that were older, and you know, just sort of like, 255 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: maybe single, I'll do this for a while. Not that 256 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: it was something that necessarily people set out to do, right, 257 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 2: But it's interesting just from what I'm hearing, it feels 258 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: like maybe there's a career path here that now people 259 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: are taking it, considering it more sort of long term. 260 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, and consider I mean just think about how 261 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: many jobs do you make fifty thousand to ninety thousand 262 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: dollars a year and have free absolutely wonderful, amazing chefs 263 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: cooking for you every day, you know, and power and 264 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: water and parking and insurance in all of those things, 265 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: and live on site twelve months a year. 266 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty sweet. 267 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: Pretty amazing when you look at all the benefits and 268 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: you Yeah, the position can be challenging, but I think 269 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: being a school teacher can be challenging, a construction worker 270 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: can be challenging. It's all the like I said, I 271 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: think it's the support that you have in that university, 272 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: or the support that you're able to ask for yeah, 273 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I've been privileged to be 274 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: on a lot of different campuses to see how a 275 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: lot of that management style works. From it being owned 276 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: and operated by a local alumni group, to be owned 277 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: and operated by the university, or to be in and 278 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: operated by the national organization. They're all very different, and 279 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: they're all very different in how those career paths look. 280 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, no, I've definitely learned a lot just talking 281 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: to you guys, because no, seriously, it's and it's an 282 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: important job. Obviously I knew that before we spoke, but 283 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: just in terms of thinking of it as a career 284 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: or even people just being able to put away money. 285 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: You know, even if you're younger, let's say, and you're 286 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: in school, there. 287 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: Are a lot of graduate assistants that are looking more 288 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: and more into it because they get free housing, they're 289 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: on campus. You know, it's a twenty four hour day 290 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: job for sure, but there are some organizations that allow 291 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: people to have full time jobs. They are professors on campuses. 292 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Now they are looking at this and saying, wait a minute, 293 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: this is a really good, you know, good situation. Let's 294 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: go do this right. And I think that like you say, 295 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: it is surprising when you talk to most people about 296 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: if you were in a forty twenty years ago or 297 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: forty years ago, or even one hundred years ago, it 298 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: has changed incredibly. I mean, now you've got organizations who's 299 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: the budgets are five hundred to a million dollars for 300 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: one chapter just their budget plus a housing you know, 301 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: a housing corporation budget. So it's a big business. 302 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think you you make it sound easier 303 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: than it probably is. That's just my guess. You seem 304 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: like to have a woman that could just handle anything. 305 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: But you know, we so appreciate you coming on and 306 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: sharing a little bit about this. Okay, guys, So next 307 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: we are talking to my new friend Laurie Hi. 308 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: Lourie Hi. 309 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that talking to you, you could tell 310 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: tell us some secrets, tell us some of the crazy stuff, 311 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: tell us some of the wacky stuff. How long have 312 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: you been doing this? 313 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: First of all, bull time since two thousand and three? 314 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: Wow? Okay, so you're not kidding. 315 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: No that I substituted for people who went out of. 316 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: Down Oh wow. Okay, so you know the ins and 317 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: outs of this. So yeah, we we're getting a good 318 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: idea in terms of like what the responsibilities are, although 319 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure they differ from house to house absolutely, Yeah, yeah, 320 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: So but tell us is there anything you could tell 321 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: us in terms of like crazy things that happened with 322 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: the girls? Uh, stuff that you anytime that you've had 323 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: to manage what feels like something that's not manageable. 324 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: Well, I sometimes I just think back to, Okay, what 325 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 3: was it like when I was in school and what 326 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: would I have done? And what what was I thinking 327 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 3: when I did some of the crazy things I did 328 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: because I wasn't I am a sorority member. Also, no, 329 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 3: I think last night somebody wanted me to fix somebody 330 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: else's pants that they had borrowed sneakily. And I'm like, no, 331 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: there's no fabric there. I mean, I can fix them, 332 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: but you'll. 333 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: They want you to me. They wanted you to sew 334 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: them because they had sneak Oh my god, but. 335 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: There was no fabric to like put it back together. 336 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: And I said, no, I can fix it. 337 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it's yes, did they try to 338 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: They probably try to get you to do all that 339 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: kind of stuff like save their just save their asses. 340 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, you know, right. 341 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 3: Because I'm like, I'm like the mom, but not so. 342 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: What kind of mom are you? Are you strict? 343 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: I have a couple of I'm going to die in 344 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: these hill rules, and then the rest of them are like, okay, 345 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 3: could we do something different? Have you thought of this that? 346 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: M So what are the die on the hill rules? 347 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 3: You have to wear shoes in the dining room? 348 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: Love that rule? Oh my god, love that rule. That's 349 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: your die in the Hill rule. You're the coolest house 350 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: director ever. I thought you were going to be like, 351 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: don't you ever let me see a boy in this house? 352 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, because battle yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, ye yeah. 353 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: All right, so no shoes in the dining room. Wow, 354 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: that's not bad. 355 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. 356 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: Do you have any stories for us, like crazy things 357 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: that have happened that you've had to deal with. 358 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 3: At one house? The room the day room that was 359 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 3: kind of the party room, sadly for them, was above 360 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: my room. 361 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: Sadly for them. What about you? 362 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: No, because I'm a really good sleeper, so that wasn't 363 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 3: the problem. But I woke up and I heard something. 364 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 3: I thought, oh no, I'm gonna have to get up, 365 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 3: and oh really, and it's like okay, well, okay, so 366 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: you get up and you go upstairs and you knock 367 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: in the room on the door and nobody answered. So 368 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: I opened the door and they were having a party 369 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: in there, totally just dancing, nothing illegal, nothing wrong, okay. 370 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: And they saw me and it was like statue suddenly, Oh, 371 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: did we wake you up? I said no, not really, 372 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: but you know. 373 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: Knock it off. 374 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And they were so apologetic. They even apologized the 375 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 3: next morning. We're so sorry, and I said, wall, no, 376 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: it's okay, don't worry. 377 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: What do they call you, Lorie? Okay, yeah, I'm sorry. 378 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 3: I came in at the point where most people were 379 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: no longer called miss whatever or missus whatever? 380 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? 381 00:19:59,280 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: Right? 382 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: So wow? So are they crying on your shoulder a lot? 383 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 2: Are you? 384 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: Sometimes not? I'm not as much as you know, not 385 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: as much as you would think. But but I'm happy 386 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 3: to listen to whatever they need to say. I'm pretty 387 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: good at not telling people who said what right. I've 388 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 3: been lucky that I've never had any real dangerous things 389 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: happen to anybody. 390 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: Good. I'm glad. I mean, are you catching them smoking pot? 391 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: Are you catching them with boys in their bedrooms? Is 392 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: that just sort of par for the course drinking. 393 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: I have found loquor in the house. But the house 394 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: director's role is not really the enforcer. You're more the 395 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 3: reporter because they have an advisory board, they have a 396 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: house corporation board, got it, They have an internal group 397 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 3: of them, and so it's more like, if you run 398 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: by me with a beer, I'm going to take the beer. 399 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: If I see the beer in your room, I'm going 400 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: to report it to somebody. 401 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like that's a happy medium. That's sort 402 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 2: of like, I think that's reasonable. 403 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I think so. 404 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 2: I think it is. I think it is. What's the 405 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: part of this job that you enjoy the most. 406 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: I love being with this age group. And you know, 407 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I'm ready when they need to 408 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 3: go on break for Christmas. I'll bet I'm like, Okay, 409 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: no doubt, go now. 410 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: Take your time. 411 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 3: But I have actually took a year off a couple 412 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: of years ago because I thought I was retiring and 413 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 3: I didn't realize how lonely I was. Have you lived 414 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: with this many people and I love being here. 415 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: I love that you love that, really, because I think 416 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: it takes a very specific personality type to put up 417 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: with this. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I mean you 418 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 2: have to have I would think the patients of a 419 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 2: saint pretty much. 420 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 3: And you have to be a good sleeper. 421 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, but you know, sometimes. 422 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 3: They think they're very loud, and usually the house mother's 423 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: room is situated not where, not where the party room is. 424 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 3: I mean, are you kidding me? I have no trouble. 425 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: I don't notice the noise very often. 426 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you have to not only be you're 427 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: in this supervisory role, but like also are you managing 428 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: the house, the logistics of the house. 429 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: Yes, most of us are partially property managed, and in fact, 430 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: over the years the name has changed to in some 431 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 3: sororities it's called facility director or property manager house director. 432 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 433 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 3: So, like, I just spent all his spring break dealing 434 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: with vendors who I didn't have to babysit because there 435 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: was nobody in the house but me. So the sprinkler man, 436 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: the fire extinguisher man, the hood cleaner, the hood inspector. 437 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 3: You known. 438 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever had a I guess you aren't 439 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: the enforcer necessarily. Have you ever had to kick a 440 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: girl out of the house. 441 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: I have been instructed to do that be fun. Oh 442 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 3: so so uncomfortable. 443 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 2: How bad do you have to mess up for that 444 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: to happen? 445 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: Well? 446 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: They, I mean all stories have bylaws national, you know, 447 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: code of conduct, local code conduct, So sometimes you just 448 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 3: have to leave. 449 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the girl. I feel like the girls. It 450 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: seems you just seem very sweet and warm. Do they 451 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: just love you? 452 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: Oh? I think they do. 453 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 3: I mean I like the you know, the person who 454 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: called me yesterday and said we think you would be 455 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: great at this LORI I'm like, oh. 456 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: That's so nice. Yeah. 457 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: Wait, somebody called you yesterday and say said you'd be 458 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: good on a podcast. Well this is yeah, so yeah 459 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: they were right. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe you should 460 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: consider this as well. You should be the podcast from 461 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: the house. 462 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah no. 463 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: Our podcast is called Dirty Russians. And as people think 464 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: that it's about all the negative aspects and it's it's not. 465 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: And I have to say that crossed my mind after 466 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: I saw the name of thing, and I went okay, 467 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: but I was assured that it was not that way. 468 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 2: No, it's not. I mean I I've been in a sorority. 469 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: Our other hosts of our sorority girls as well, and 470 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: we all had wonderful positive experiences. We do like to 471 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: get down to you know, there's always another side of everything, 472 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: not just obviously, not just it's not for everyone, but 473 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 2: it's not for everyone, and what does that look like? 474 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: And is you know? 475 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: Live? 476 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: And most of the girls that we've spoken to, the 477 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: best part of being in a sorority has been that 478 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: year they spent in the house. 479 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: Right. 480 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: My daughter railed against it, she didn't want to do it, 481 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: and it ended up being her favorite year. Right. 482 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: I loved living in the house. I loved the sleeping porch. 483 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: You know, all the things that people don't like about 484 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 3: that sleeping porch, I loved it. 485 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 2: What's a sleeping porch for our listeners that don't know, 486 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: I guess. 487 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 3: The closest thing would It looks oftentimes like an army barrack, 488 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: So that's right, bunks. But the plus of it is 489 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 3: it's always dark, it's always quiet. You could always take 490 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: a nap there. And I when I was in school, 491 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 3: which was quite a while ago, nobody had obviously cell 492 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 3: phones weren't existing, so nobody had their own alarms. We 493 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: had a wake up person who woke us up. 494 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: Right, Wow, I guess we did too. Did we have that. 495 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 3: Some crazy person who wanted to do that house duty 496 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: of at six o'clock in the morning, they'd come around 497 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: and go LORI at six o'clock and if you didn't 498 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: get up, they were back in fifteen minutes to do it. 499 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, I don't know I would hire that 500 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: person to have come to my house. 501 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: Oh it's so nice, you know. And then after about 502 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 3: nine o'clock in the morning, you could have an alarm clock. 503 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but you're able to also have your 504 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: own life, your own social life. Oh absolutely, Oh yeah, yeah, good. 505 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad. And you have family around that you. 506 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 3: No, I don't. You don't these I considered these my girls. 507 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: Really. 508 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: I love that. They are very lucky. Wow. 509 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: And because I was an advisor before I did all 510 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: of this, I have girls who go range from early 511 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: sixties to now eighteen. 512 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: Wow. And it sounds like you just you really love them. 513 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: They're so lucky. 514 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: I do. 515 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 3: I you know, you don't. You don't have the same 516 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 3: relationship with everybody, but of course I have. I have 517 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 3: great relationships with a lot of them. I've been to weddings, 518 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: you know, I've met babies. 519 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: Oh I love that. Yeah, I was saying when we opened, 520 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: I said, you know, my experience with Aunt Millie, and 521 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: that's the only way that we knew her. We didn't 522 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 2: have a particularly close relationship ship. She was really just 523 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 2: sort of the rule of the enforcer, you know. But 524 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: talking to people today who do what you do, it's 525 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: just seems very different to me, like you're really able to, 526 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: you know, have something fulfilling. 527 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: Well, I think the expectations are different, you know, the 528 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: society has different. Expectations are different. Right, most people feel 529 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: like they don't need a second mom until they do. 530 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, if you're around. Yeah, God knows. Okay, 531 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 2: my friend, Well, thank you so much for coming on 532 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: and share welcome some of this one with us. We 533 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: really do appreciate it. 534 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. It's been funny.