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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we got an absolute masterclass with Mark Drury

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Speaker 2: about the habits, personalities, and behaviors of the biggest oldest

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Speaker 2: bucks he's ever hunted. All right, Welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light and

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Speaker 2: have them support in this podcast, and I am proud

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Speaker 2: to be bringing you a dang good episode today, folks,

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Speaker 2: We've got a banger for you. Every year, I like

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Speaker 2: to get my good buddy, mister Mark Drury on this

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Speaker 2: show because I think he's, without a doubt, one of

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Speaker 2: the very, very very best out there. He's a great communicator,

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Speaker 2: a great hunter of course, and just someone who has

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Speaker 2: a mind unlike many others when it comes to understanding

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Speaker 2: big old bucks. And as you hopefully know by now,

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Speaker 2: our theme this month of September has been getting into

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Speaker 2: the minds of those biggest, oldest deer. What do these

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Speaker 2: super mature deer do think? Why do they do things?

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Speaker 2: What can we learn about these mature bucks that can

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Speaker 2: help us as hunters if we so choose to chase

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Speaker 2: that kind of buck. So today that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Mark has got all sorts of experience over decades and

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Speaker 2: decades and decades of watching these kinds of deer, studying

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Speaker 2: I'm breaking it all down with Mark. We're asking him

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Speaker 2: everything from, you know, the different personality traits he's seen

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Speaker 2: in super mature bucks, to the consistencies he's seen with

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Speaker 2: and the weird personality traits that he's seen that have

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Speaker 2: kind of bucked the trend, and how he've studied those,

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Speaker 2: how he's learned those, and how he's been able to

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Speaker 2: apply the unique insights that you can get when trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out a specific old buck and then try

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Speaker 2: to catch up with him. So we get into a

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Speaker 2: lot of good stuff. This is a terrific episode. I

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Speaker 2: want to just give you a couple quick reminders and

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Speaker 2: So number one, I've mentioned this over the last three weeks,

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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna mention it again. Yes, today's episode is

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Speaker 2: about big old deer, mature bucks. I want to make

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Speaker 2: sure if you're listening to this though, and you've never

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Speaker 2: killed a big old buck, or if that's something you're

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Speaker 2: not sure you want to do, or you're not sure

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna do, don't worry about it. That's fine,

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Speaker 2: that's cool. Shoot the first dear you see if that

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Speaker 2: makes you happy, Shoot a dough if that makes you happy,

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Speaker 2: Shoot a spike if that makes you happy, Shoot a

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Speaker 2: two year old, a three year old, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Have fun out there. That's what deer hunting is all about.

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Speaker 2: Do not worry at all about what you see in

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Speaker 2: the magazine covers or what you hear Marjory talking about

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Speaker 2: when it comes to the kinds of deer he's personally

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Speaker 2: choosing to hunt. Don't let what I choose to hunt

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Speaker 2: is that you want to chase. That is awesome. If

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Speaker 2: no matter what kind of deer you're shooting, because this

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Speaker 2: is about hunting your own personal hunt for your own

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Speaker 2: personal reasons. As long as you're doing it ethically and legally,

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Speaker 2: let anyone's personal goals influence or pressure you into doing

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Speaker 2: So that's point number one. Point number two. Last week

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Speaker 2: our last event is coming up in Kentucky on October fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: So if you are in southern Illinois, southern Indiana, southern Ohio, Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, it's gonna be some good karma

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Speaker 2: We've got the one and only mister Mark Drury. Mark,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me. Mark. Good, good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Congrats on that Wisconsin buck. That was pretty awesome, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: So absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 2: With that mind, I gotta ask you. Your season kicked

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Speaker 3: Not a lot, it's a quick loadown. They've been really

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Speaker 3: Of course, we've been hunting in Missouri because the youth

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Now, speaking of Iowa, you guys open

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Speaker 2: looking at that extended forecast, kind of stressing about it

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Speaker 3: When you get very stable air that's the same every

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Speaker 3: going to be out there on that food source in

433
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 3: December January with that rough weather and that much, I

434
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: can promise you, and the same is true. I think

435
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 3: one of the best windows of opportunity for any mature

436
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: deer is December. And you know, we nicknamed it December

437
00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: years ago. When they go through that rut, it's really

438
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 3: tough on them because they're exhorting so much energy and

439
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 3: then they've got a refuel for the tough winter coming.

440
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: And if you get the right weather in December, that

441
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: is the most likely month that a mature buck's going

442
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: to daylight. I've got plans this season for some deer

443
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: that come back during December and are very very visible

444
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: during December, whereas in October and November you just can't

445
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: run into him. You might November if you get lucky,

446
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: but October is tough. I'm hunting a deer in Missouri

447
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: right now that at age two, three four, he'd daylight

448
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 3: on this interior plot every night or well, you know,

449
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: three times a week. And he hasn't daylighted one time

450
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: yet this year. Yeah, and he's five and a half,

451
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: and I think he will. But that's a very very

452
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: good example. And I was just before we got on

453
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: this podcast, I was looking at my historical pictures through him,

454
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: and I'm putting a file together on him because I've

455
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 3: been hunting him, and in my mind, I thought we're

456
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: gonna be able to kill this year because I've seen

457
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: him so many times on his plot and he's daylighted

458
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 3: a lot all of a sudden, the earliest pictures I

459
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: have of him this year nine twenty nine thirty something

460
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 3: like that. I'm like, I better go back and look

461
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: and see what he's been like historically. And there's a

462
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: there's a little window here when he was four and

463
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: a half, from about the twenty second of September through

464
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: about October the eleventh or twelfth. That was pretty good,

465
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: which is one of my favorite phases. It's greener pastors

466
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: because they've gotten out of those bean fields. Suddenly they're

467
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: focused in on a different food source. And we've got

468
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: a really good looking greenfield on this interior plot. And

469
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: I do believe he beds closed. We'll find out whether

470
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: he's going to daylight this coming year. My suspicion is,

471
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: I need a really good weather system with a favorable

472
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: moon phase in order to go in there and have

473
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 3: luck on him this year. I think those are the

474
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: things I talk about that slot machine lining up. All

475
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: the factors have to be right, you know, including your access,

476
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: including the weather, including his his bed pass as compared

477
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: to food, because they just don't move very fast. They

478
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: don't move very far. If he's betted too far, he's

479
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: not going to make it there till last light. So

480
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: everything's got to line up to get that job.

481
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: What was that date window that you said for him again?

482
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: Last year? He started daylighting in there around the twenty first,

483
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: twenty second of September, and he was good up through

484
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 3: about the tenth or twelfth. But I've not gone through

485
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 3: the rest of October. My suspicion is I'm going to

486
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: see more daylights of him there the last week of October.

487
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: Okay, And so in that case, when you've got the

488
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: right calendar date. You're just you're not going to go

489
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: after him unless you have the right calendar date plus

490
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: the right weather, plus the right what was the other

491
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: one who said the moon maybe? Or pressure?

492
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I've got a great mood coming up here.

493
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: I love the two weeks in and around the full moon,

494
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: the week prior and the week after, Like, we just

495
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: see a lot more daylight activity during that period, So

496
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: I've got a good access into it. We'll see if,

497
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: we'll see if he shows up. So, but I don't

498
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: have the weather. Looking at the weather. We were talking

499
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: about that before we jumped on. It's not great. No,

500
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, it's just not great.

501
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: No, it's not. So I've got a dilemma that sounds

502
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 2: similar to you. My number one Buckham Honey in Michigan

503
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: is a five and a half year old, and so

504
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking at thinking about his annual pattern. And we

505
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: did a whole podcast last year about patterning deer and

506
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff on the annual pattern thing. So

507
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: I think we talked about this a little bit, but

508
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: I just want some clarity with you on the specifics here.

509
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: When you've got an annual pattern that you're trying to

510
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: figure out. But you also have the changing crop rotation.

511
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: So in this case, I've got a five year old,

512
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: and this year it's a corn year in the area

513
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: that he lives in, So it's a corn here this

514
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: year as a five year old. As a four year

515
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: old though, beans, So the last time I had a

516
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: corn here was him as a three year old, And

517
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: so as we just talked about, like three year olds

518
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: are almost a different species than a five year old.

519
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: And so I'm sitting here debating, like, do I even

520
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: put any value into these pictures and sightings that I

521
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: had when he was a crazy three year old, even

522
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: though that was also the last time I had the

523
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: same food and and habitat. How do you how do

524
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: you weigh that?

525
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 3: I think you still do because it's still the same deer,

526
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: And just know it's not going to happen as frequently, right,

527
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: So if you look at everything he did as an

528
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: age three and a half, he might only do that

529
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: twenty percent of the time when he's five and a

530
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: half just because he's not moving as far as as often.

531
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: So I think you still have to you got to

532
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 3: look at it. And the other thing you can do

533
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: is look at other mature deer in that area that

534
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: same year and see how they acted. That's something else

535
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: I do a lot is not just a particular deer,

536
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: but mature deer in general. Like when did they daylight?

537
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: When it was in corn? When was the corn cuts?

538
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: Also a big, big different differentiator. Sometimes wet weather can

539
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: delay cornfields coming out, which increases his bedroom, which makes

540
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: him very very tricky to run into. Hopefully they'll get

541
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: it out of there. And another thing I've noticed, you know,

542
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: the farming equipment is so much more effective and there's

543
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: not a lot of residue left anymore, so that that

544
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: makes it very challenging when those fields are cleaned up.

545
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, your your best farmer in

546
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: your area is the guy that's got the older cob

547
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 3: boys that leaves a lot of a lot of corn fields.

548
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: So you got you kind of have to know your

549
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: farmer in their equipment, you know, in terms of what

550
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: you could expect in terms of residue on a field.

551
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: True, and then the worst nightmare is the farmer that

552
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: comes in chisel plows immediately after harvesting.

553
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: Absolutely, But another farming practice I'm seeing get more and

554
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: more steam is the presence of cover crops right after

555
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: they right after they harvest, and all of a sudden,

556
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: we went from no green fields throughout the Midwest to

557
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: giant green fields, some of them Nebraska, some of them

558
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: are Rye. But there's a lot of folks working with

559
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 3: sustainable cover crops, and I think it's wonderful for the

560
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: environment and conservation and everything of the soil. But it

561
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: does change the game for us deer hunters, you know,

562
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: so you have to be mindful of that too. Is

563
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: your guy one of those guys that puts a cover

564
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: crop on as soon as he as soon as he

565
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: you know, if he's a no tail guy, he may

566
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: very well cover crop it. And then that's really tricky

567
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: when you've got a giant green field. That makes it tough. Yeah,

568
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: really tough.

569
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that is I've yet to I had one

570
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: year where a neighboring farmer did that, but it hasn't

571
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: happened in recent years. So you talked about and a

572
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: lot of folks talk about one of the key consistencies

573
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: with those extra mature deer being that their core area shrinks.

574
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: And that's something I want to dive into with you.

575
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: But before we dive into the obvious one. Are there

576
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: any other consistencies with those you know, six seven eight

577
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: year old bucks or five six seven year old bucks

578
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: that you've seen. Is there any trend that you've noticed

579
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: with that age class deer as far as a generality

580
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: when it comes to behavior shifts or anything outside of

581
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: the corrier a shrinking.

582
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Yes. October and December are the two best months to

583
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: kill them. Sure? Uh? You and and I say that

584
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: because that's typically when they're alone, when they get doughed up. Man,

585
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: are they tough to kill? I specifically love the first

586
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: twelve days of October and then the last five or

587
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: six days of October. Uh. The first one is a

588
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: phase we call greener pastures. The last one is something

589
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: we call prelock. Prelock to me is the best window

590
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: on of all thirteen to kill a mature deer. That

591
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: twenty fifth, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine,

592
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: thirty at thirty first, with the right weather, the right

593
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: food source they'll need to be going to. What's that?

594
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: That was just me a shouting and joy for that

595
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: time of year.

596
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it comes and goes too quickly, But boy,

597
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: that is the window to me. Then again in December

598
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: with rough weather, that's a really good window as well.

599
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: But for the for the purposes of this, because you

600
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: don't know what's gonna happen. Is he gonna get killed

601
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: by another hunter? You can't depend on December, right, is

602
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: he gonna Is he gonna be there? Is he's still

603
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: gonna be alive? Or are you gonna have the weather

604
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: like October is the time to kill those dear Get

605
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: him before they get with that first dough, because once

606
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: they lock down, they will almost always lock down before

607
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 3: any other buck in the herd because nobody's messing with them.

608
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: You know, you get a five six seven year old deer,

609
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: he's pushing everybody around, and if you just watch him,

610
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: most of them just look at him and walk the

611
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: other way. They know better than to deal with him,

612
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: because he is he's a handful, he's big bodied, he's uh,

613
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: he's ready to rumble, and he's going to get the

614
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: first girlfriend at the dance. To me, that window is

615
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: twenty fifth through thirty first of October. We call it

616
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: pre lock because they're not necessarily locking down with a

617
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: dough that's in estress. But I think they have a

618
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: way of identifying the first dough that's going to come

619
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: in Estres, and they'll follow her out to the food

620
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: plot and just stand there and stare at her like

621
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: a high schooler in the hall looking at a pretty girl,

622
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, they just's that's a weakness for

623
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: them that last week of October, particularly the thirtieth and

624
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: thirty first of October. But anytime in there on a

625
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: food source where there's apollo dose they could be there,

626
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: that's a really good window for him.

627
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: So if you Mark had a regular day job and

628
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: you didn't get to hunt every day whenever you wanted to,

629
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: and you were after an old old buck like this,

630
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 2: would you take that last week of October as your

631
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: vacation instead of one of those first two weeks in

632
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: November during which a lot of other guys do take

633
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: their time.

634
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: For me, if it's a deer that I'm on that's

635
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: five or six and I want to kill him, absolutely

636
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: I would.

637
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So another thing you mentioned, you mentioned how they're.

638
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: If I confidence level of what I think he's going

639
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: to be doing, right, if I have a history with

640
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: him and go he daylight's in here that week, Yeah,

641
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: then I'm going to take that week, because that's a

642
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: really good window to killing.

643
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, these old old bucks getting on that first dough.

644
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: I've heard a few folks talk about seeing repeats of

645
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: the same dough family group coming in hereat first year

646
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: after year, Like there might be a genetic thing where

647
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: like man like this old nanny Doe always seems to

648
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: be one of the first ones to come into heat

649
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: in a given little region. Let's say it's one hundred

650
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: acre property, and this dough family group always hangs out

651
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: in the northeast corner. And if you're paying attention noticing

652
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: that that happens, have you ever seen anything like that?

653
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: And have you ever taken advantage of that? Given what

654
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: we just learned there about those old bucks getting on

655
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: that first one.

656
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: I have seen it, and I agree with it, but

657
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: I think that's a very challenging thing to bank on

658
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: and depend on, you know. But I have seen it,

659
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: so I think there's there's truth to it. I think

660
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: there's And they're generally old and large, that's the thing

661
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: I've noticed. When they get on a dough early and

662
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: stick with her, they're generally quite mature. They look like

663
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: they're four five or six, you know, so does he

664
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: know her? Possibly does he just sense that she might

665
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: be the first one to come into heat. To me,

666
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: it's more about that than anything.

667
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So on the line of the rut, then, are

668
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: there any other tendencies when it comes to how these

669
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: old bucks participate in the rut? So you mentioned they're

670
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: getting started early. Have you seen anything as far as

671
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: anything unique with that six or seven year old buck

672
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: when it comes to how long or short time period

673
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: they stay with the dough or how they jump from

674
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: dough to dough or One thing I've heard is that

675
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: the last times they're more active at the end of

676
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: their rut. Have you ever have you seen anything like

677
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: that or anything else?

678
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I think that in general terms, they're going to

679
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: pre lock and then kind of not move a whole

680
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: heck of a lot till about the I like the eighth, ninth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleven,

681
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: that little window right there, which is the tail end

682
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: of the seeking phase we call it the tail in

683
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: the buck parade and the very start of lockdown. That

684
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: phase is quite good for daylight activity. I love that

685
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: period right there, seven through eleven. Seven come eleven if

686
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: you will. That's quite good here in the Midwest, and

687
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: then it just depends what your population dynamic is. And

688
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: all of this depends a little bit on population dynamic.

689
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 3: If your buck to dough is severely out of whack,

690
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: you can't expect to see a lot of daylight activity

691
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: by bucks in general, because they're going to lock down

692
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 3: during nighttime. Right most of their movement occurs at night.

693
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: Just watch your pictures, so to expect to see a

694
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: lot of daylight activity. If you've got a call it

695
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 3: five doors to one buck or seven dos to one buck,

696
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 3: it's probably not gonna happen. However, if you're a little

697
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: closer to their natural ratio, which is one to one,

698
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: we like to keep everything at you know, realistically we

699
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 3: hope to have it at a two or three to one,

700
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: two or three dos to one buck. If you're in

701
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: that range, you can expect to see them free up

702
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: occasionally through their rut. But it's so much more challenging

703
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: because the activity could have been at noon, it could

704
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: have been at two o'clock. You know, if October you

705
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: could pretty mu bank on the fact that it's that

706
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: first hour, last hour and a half two hours, So

707
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: it's more of an expectation. And I've talked about this before,

708
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: when you get into the rut, that the odds of

709
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: seeing one could happen at any time of the day.

710
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: So you're kind of hoping, right, You're hoping he frees up,

711
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: your hoping he comes by. So it's it's hope versus expectation,

712
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: and that's challenging mentally. It's challenging physically because you've got

713
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: to sit there much longer. But if you've got one

714
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: week off and you want the greatest odds of a

715
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 3: deer to be on their feet, you know it's probably

716
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: during the rut because more deer covering more ground. But

717
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 3: if you're honed in on a particular buck on a spot,

718
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: that's why I like that late October. But it's only

719
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: because I've got a sure enough history with him and

720
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: a plan and a prediction. But you know, if you

721
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: don't have that's that's difficult to expect success.

722
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Speaking of hopes and expectations, you know a lot of

723
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: us look at that rut window. Is that chance for

724
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: the midday movement? Right, there's that hope and the belief that, yeah,

725
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: there's more midday activity, and you know I've seen that, Yeah,

726
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 2: the weather's right. So I've seen that with you know,

727
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: year and a half, wells, two and a half year olds,

728
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: three and a half year olds, I've seen all the

729
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: way to the old ones. But when it comes to

730
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: those like five six seven year old bucks, is that

731
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: is that as good of a window for them as

732
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: it is for you know, just general buck movement? Is

733
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: there anything unique for that age when it comes to midday?

734
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's a better window

735
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: if you ever watch closely and watch it consistently through

736
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: the years. They're almost the last one to get on

737
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: their feet of the morning when you get into you know,

738
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: we're out of October and we're out of this food

739
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: pattern stuff and we're actually do is dough is what

740
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 3: they're keyed in on, like nine thirty, ten o'clock. Everything

741
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: else is betted. Haven't seen a deer in thirty minutes?

742
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Like should I climb down? Because he's about to get up.

743
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna go check every dough trail. He's going to

744
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: check what just occurred that morning trying to find that deer.

745
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: He's wise, he's smart, like a blood tracking dog, a

746
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: dog that's a blood trailer. That's seven eight nine years old. Man,

747
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: they know how to find those those deer that are

748
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: wounding because they've been there and they almost can think

749
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: like the deer. That buck can think like that dough

750
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: or like the rest of those bucks. He waits till

751
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: the midday to go do his movement that nine o'clock

752
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: through eleven o'clock and then again from about one thirty

753
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: to three thirty or four. Those are the two windows

754
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: that I really key in on once you get into November.

755
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's when you're going to catch you

756
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: more often than not.

757
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So can you continue that what you just did there?

758
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: As far as mapping out like the day of a

759
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: let's say a six year old buck, what do you

760
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: imagine that buck's twenty four hour day looking like at

761
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: that age during that rut time period. Can you walk

762
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: me through continue what you were doing right there.

763
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: Well, if he's alone, he's going to do exactly. Not exactly,

764
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: but there's a high likelihood he could do what I'm

765
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: talking about. And again, all this depends on whether if

766
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: it's a warm day, you can crush that back. It's

767
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: only going to happen the first hour or two, last

768
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: hour or two However, if it's a beautiful high pressure

769
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: day and the moon's overhead and a lot of things

770
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: are lining up, you could see that deer at any

771
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: time during the day. You could see in the first

772
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: hour two coming off of bed and he's gonna bed

773
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: down for a while. And then I see that nine

774
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 3: to eleven thirty very consistently each year, and then one

775
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: thirty through about three point thirty four o'clock. I specifically

776
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: love three pm Central Time during during the during that period,

777
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: and I specifically love about nine ten o'clock during that period,

778
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: they just get on their feet and they go walk.

779
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 3: That's provided you got the right weather you're hoping for,

780
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, highs in the fifties, lows in the thirties,

781
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: and optimal conditions and pressure over thirty point one. Better

782
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: sit in your stand, don't don't get down.

783
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that buck, he's I'm just you know, the

784
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: assumption would be that buck is just moving as efficiently

785
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: as he can traveling down wind side of every doll

786
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: betting here. He knows though through that zone.

787
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, their their home cours expand he's going

788
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: to move around more inside the bedroom than he has food.

789
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: Although you could see him on food, you could see

790
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: him just about anywhere, but a lot of that occurs

791
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: in cover. That's the one thing I didn't, you know,

792
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: preface that statement with you see a lot of that

793
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: stuff happening in the bedroom. And that's that's when you know,

794
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: you jump into those magical trees and those magical spots

795
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: because every buck's doing the same thing, or a lot

796
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: of them are. So uh, it's it's a fun time

797
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: of the year, but it's just it's it's more challenging

798
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: trying to kill a specific buck than October or December

799
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: in my opinion.

800
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go back to the first thing that

801
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: you mentioned at the very top when it comes to

802
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: these old deer, which is that the core area does

803
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: usually shrink. Outside of the rut, they shrink down.

804
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: I think during the rud a shrinks a little bit.

805
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: I do, And I think I have this theory that

806
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: when they're younger, they're making bigger loops and checking a

807
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 3: lot more stuff out, and I think through life they

808
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: go I like this, this and this. Yeah, you know,

809
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: here's where I have the most security. I've run into

810
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: the least amount of pressure. I've found the most doze.

811
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: My water's here, my covers here, my escape routes here,

812
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: Like I think they learn those things through life, and

813
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 3: they hone down in this is the house I want, right,

814
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 3: you know, It's like checking out a multitude of neighborhoods

815
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 3: and going and this is the neighborhood I want to

816
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: live in. I think that's what happens. I think that's

817
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 3: why it shrinks. They're learning it, imprinting it as they're younger,

818
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: and then when they're older they know where to go.

819
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: That's just my theory. I don't know if there's any

820
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: truth to that or not, but I think that's why

821
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 3: that home core gets a little bit smaller and there's

822
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: less less activity within the homecore because I think they're

823
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: still trying to learn it when they're younger.

824
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: And that makes sense. I know there is the answer

825
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: to this question about to ask you is very very

826
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: situational dependence because depend on region and habitat type and

827
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But just given what you've

828
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: seen in your area, if you had to like put

829
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: a number on the average core area side that you

830
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: see this old old buck shrink into. Are you seeing like, oh,

831
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: it's usually a square mile or is it usually one

832
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: hundred acres, or is it? If you had to give

833
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 2: me some kind of average, what do you think that

834
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: would be a few acres? Okay, and that's if and

835
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: that's drinking.

836
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: They're gonna loop outside of that. It's not like there's

837
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: a wall around that thing, because there's not any doe

838
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: could have him three miles away, you know, at any second.

839
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: But in general, it's a few hundred acres. You know,

840
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: it's to me, but that could expand out to two

841
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: or three square miles, depending on the buck's personality or

842
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: his age. But it's I think it just gets a

843
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: little bit smaller.

844
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense. What kinds of places, what kinds

845
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: of habitat do you see freak only becoming those buck

846
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: oldest buck homes right as they've you mentioned, they're picking

847
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: out the things they like the most. Can you point

848
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: to some of the characteristics of the spots that these

849
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 2: old bucks end up settling it on that much?

850
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: I can't because they it has varied so much over

851
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 3: the past thirty five years. I've seen them live out

852
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: in a giant crp field their whole life, get up,

853
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: go to food, go back. I've seen them in the

854
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: thickest of timbers. To me, it's it's very variable, and

855
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: that's a head scratcher to me. Why one buck prefers

856
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: one terrain and another buck prefers another terrain. I can

857
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: only assume it's because of other home ranges interfering. And

858
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: therefore this guy's saying, I'm staying here and I'm staying there,

859
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: And they kind of stay away from each other and

860
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 3: they camp out in their little area as well as

861
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: there's you know, ample food, cover water. They're pretty adaptable.

862
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: They can live just about anywhere, but they got to

863
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 3: have doze there as well. I've also seen different personality

864
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: with bucks through the years. I've seen bucks that I

865
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: swear didn't leave eighty acres or one hundred acres and

866
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 3: didn't really participate in the rut very much like I've

867
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: seen bucks that I felt like only got with one

868
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: or two does. And I don't think that's uncommon at all,

869
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 3: to where when they're younger, they're covering more ground because

870
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: they're younger, and they'll get with more does because they're

871
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: odds of finding a hot doe increase when they get

872
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: old and get back to that old dog in the

873
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: porch doesn't get up, don't walk around, doesn't eat as

874
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: much when he's older. I think that's that older buck,

875
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: and I just don't think he's quite as active during

876
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: the rut as he was when he's younger. Somewhere in

877
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: that curve they go from breeding being the primary reason

878
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: for their existence to just trying to live and stay alive.

879
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: And I think somewhere in that curve is that six

880
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: and a half year old buck. That again, he's the

881
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: ghost here, and by the time they're seven or eight,

882
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: they're very much worried about just living. They're gonna still

883
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: participate in the rut, but you know, he may not

884
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: move during that severe cold weather, whereas that four hie

885
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: old run around going crazy, and that guy's laying in

886
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 3: his bed till it gets a little bit nicer for

887
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: him to walk around. But personality is different, and you'll

888
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 3: learn that as you hunt it. Not every deer is

889
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: the same, and you can never take you can never

890
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: say always or never with white tail deer. All of

891
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: these things I'm talking about are general terms, but it

892
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: does vary quite a bit based on the deer's personality

893
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: and the terrain you're hunting him in. But in answer

894
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: to your original question. There there's no there's no box

895
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: for that, that description of where they're going to live.

896
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so so you make you make a good point,

897
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: which is any buck that's gotten to this age starts

898
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: to show some kind of unique personality traits, right, And

899
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: it seems like one of the tricks to successfully killing

900
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: a deer like that is to be able to uncover

901
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: what is that unique personality? Can you think of a

902
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: buck or two over your years that stands out to

903
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: you as having like a unique personality trait or behavioral

904
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: pattern that you were able to uncover and then use

905
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: that to your hunting advantage. Is there an example like

906
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: that story you could tell about how you figure out

907
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: what this old buck's unique personality thing was, how you

908
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: discovered it, and then how that led to your hunts,

909
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: whether you ended up killing the buck or not.

910
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think back to a buck that Todd Smith.

911
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: Did you ever meet Todd? He was the editor of

912
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: Outdoor Life for it, you know, I don't think I

913
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: did such a fine gentleman, and he came in and

914
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: hunted with me, and we got to be really close friends,

915
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: and he whit till hunted. But I don't think he

916
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: was like he's going to go, you know, the entire season,

917
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: like you're gonna do, you know? But he did why

918
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 3: till hunting He loved it and he drew a late season.

919
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: I would tag with me, And there was this one

920
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: buck on my farm that I swear lived on this

921
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 3: eighty acre portion of the farm because I had cameras

922
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: everywhere like usual, and I never got him anywhere else

923
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 3: other than this eighty acre parcel. And this eighty acre

924
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: parcel was the thickest, nastiest, most secure place on the farm.

925
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 3: The access into it was tough for us as hunters.

926
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: And the only time I'd get him during the daylight

927
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: pictures was of a morning in the month of December.

928
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: So very unique deer like he was dark, dark, dark

929
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: October November. But in December I'd caught this one weakness.

930
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 3: I kept catching him going back to bed into this

931
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: eighty acres off this one particular ridge field of food

932
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: that I had planted. And Todd came in and I

933
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: told him about a variety of different places we could

934
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 3: hunt and this buck and that buck, and I told

935
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: him my story about this deer, about how unique he was,

936
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: and I was planning on, just hunting afternoons like we

937
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: normally do in December, and he goes, why don't we

938
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: go after that buck? And probably part of the reason

939
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: I didn't see much is because I don't hunt a

940
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: lot of mornings, especially in December. And I said, sure

941
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: we can, you know, I think here's what we need

942
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: to do. Swin blah blah blah. And we went in

943
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: there two or three mornings because we had the right conditions,

944
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: and sure enough Todd killed this giant eight point. He

945
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: was probably just shy of one seventy and I think

946
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: he was a six and a half year old buck,

947
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: maybe seven and a half year old buck. But he

948
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: was a He was an absolute toad. And the thing

949
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: I noticed about him, he was absolutely perfect. There wasn't

950
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: a scar on that deer's body. His ears were perfect,

951
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: his eyes were perfect. And I really believe he was

952
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: just one of those deer that lived his life as

953
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: a bachelor. I think when he bred doze, they came

954
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: to him, he wasn't going to them, and he was

955
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: safe there and he lived a long, happy life until

956
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 3: til Todd put an end to it that morning. That

957
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: was one of the most unique deer we ever hunted

958
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: and succeeded on and he taught me a lot. You know.

959
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: He taught me that these deer different, they have different personalities.

960
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: And when I speak of that, I always think back

961
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 3: to that deer because he definitely taught me deer are

962
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: not created equal. They're all their own own person or

963
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: their own animal.

964
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what about the fourth buck? I know that

965
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: was one that seemed to stand out too. And I

966
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: can't remember if we talked about this one last year

967
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: or not, but yeah, that just seems like such a

968
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: crazy example and that it's probably illustrative to us and

969
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,959
Speaker 2: to folks on how you go about trying to figure

970
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: out a buck like that. That just kind of bucks

971
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: the trend, the usual generalities. Can you talk about that

972
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: a little bit?

973
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: I literally lost years off my life over that deer

974
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: that season because I really hadn't hunted him a lot,

975
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 3: but I had a tremendous trail picture history of him

976
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: because he was a homeboy internet. This farm was four

977
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: hundred and seventeen acres and he was on there a lot,

978
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: but he was all over it. I always said he

979
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 3: was the buck that was everywhere, the buck that was nowhere,

980
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: Like we couldn't run into that deer to save our behinds.

981
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: And we finally killed him December the twentieth on a

982
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: green field with a bow down on a bottom field

983
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: where I had never gotten this picture. And I mean

984
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: just literally I had gotten it there a few times,

985
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: not many, but I literally just got luck he'd kill

986
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: that deer, and I kind of started hunting him like

987
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: I always hunted him the way I always hunt which

988
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 3: was I think he's gonna be here. I think he's

989
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: gonna be here. I think he's going to be here.

990
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: I finally started going where I didn't think he'd be,

991
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: and that's when I killed the deer. Like I literally

992
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: had to reverse my thinking and everything I knew. It

993
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: just like broke all the codes. And that was he

994
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: was a tough tar to kill. I mean, he was

995
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: just literally walking. I believe I killed him when he

996
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: was eight and a half and again on food in December.

997
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 3: There's a weakness. But I killed him where I didn't

998
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: think he'd be that night, and sure enough, he was

999
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: one of those walkers all night, all day. I'd catch

1000
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: a picture of him at you know, six pm on

1001
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: a green field, and then by ten pm he'd be

1002
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: two miles north on a different camera. It was just bizarre.

1003
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: He was really a tough tear to run into. Every year,

1004
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: we hunted him so many times and never saw him.

1005
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: I think Dustin and Wade sawing one or twice. I

1006
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: think I saw him twice before I killed him. And

1007
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: he was eight and a half years old. If if

1008
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 3: that explains how difficult he was. But he also taught me,

1009
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: you know, compare that story to Todd's deer, both six

1010
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: and a half or older. One never moved and was

1011
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: literally clean and perfect and beautiful, and the fork buck

1012
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: every single thing, and he was ripped and scarred and ears,

1013
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 3: and you know, the more they walk, the more they're

1014
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: going to encounter other deer and get into tussles. And

1015
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: we always joked because his body was so large, we said,

1016
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: what if he didn't walk as much as he did.

1017
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: I swear he'd had three hundred just some antler on

1018
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 3: his you know, because I think he wore himself to

1019
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: a frazzle every year. But he was. He was a

1020
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: cool dear, and I felt blessed to have the opportunity

1021
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: to hunt him and then eventually kill him.

1022
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so was the insight like the personality insight with

1023
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: him that ended up leading to you killing him. I

1024
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: know you said you got but is the insight there?

1025
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: The fact that you couldn't predict where he was going

1026
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 2: to because he was always moving. So rather than chasing pictures,

1027
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: just like volume hunt a spot and eventually he'll come through.

1028
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: There was that it.

1029
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: I volume hunted the same spot for days throughout, like

1030
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 3: nineteen or twenty days. I went to the same stand,

1031
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: never saw him, and I was like, I'm so sick

1032
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: of this, you know, I just like I'm burning the

1033
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 3: spot out. And I finally started. I was like, I'm

1034
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 3: gonna do what he's doing and just bounce around now.

1035
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: Because I tried the same spot over and over and

1036
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: over and it didn't. You would think, you know, it's counterintuitive.

1037
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: You would think that would work, right if you just

1038
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 3: stuck to the same place, be the camera, he's eventually

1039
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: going to walk by. He never did, and I started

1040
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: bouncing around and going to places where I didn't think

1041
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 3: he'd be, and that's where I killed him.

1042
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 2: Wow.

1043
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: So call it LUCKI or call it you know, call

1044
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 3: it try call it being open to try something different

1045
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: that I had never done in my life. And I

1046
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: finally killed. Kill that old booger. He was. He was

1047
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 3: a tough too.

1048
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: Do you feel like with a deer like that that

1049
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: moves so much that I'm sure you must have been

1050
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: thinking about, like, God, I'm probably burning these spots out,

1051
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm putting pressure on this deer. Am I educating this deer?

1052
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 2: But with a mover like that? Do you worry about

1053
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: that less just because he's it's so unlikely that he's

1054
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: going to come through an area that you know, maybe I.

1055
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 3: Worry about it. I worry about it more because he's

1056
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 3: more likely to catch your centrail or catch you know,

1057
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: those deer that don't move very much, sitting in that

1058
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 3: eighty acre spot, you know, or a hundred acres, they're

1059
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: not nearly as likely to catch your scent, or catch

1060
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: your track, or catch your truck that type of stuff.

1061
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 3: Not nearly.

1062
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: So another question that I have related to our impact

1063
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: on deer and the pressure we put on them. Jumping

1064
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: back to the general trend with really old deer, and

1065
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: the general trend being that their core area shrinks, They

1066
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 2: figure out the neighborhood they like, they find the house

1067
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: they like in their neighborhood, they don't they just want

1068
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: to send in their couch because they're safe there, they're

1069
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: happy there, They've got everything they need right. Once they

1070
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: get to that point, they've got to figured out. So

1071
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: I've always wondered, when you've got a deer like that

1072
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: in that set way of life, does he react more

1073
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: to pressure or less to pressure?

1074
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 3: You know?

1075
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: Is it like he's shocked when the robber shows up

1076
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: in the house and that gets him out, or is

1077
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 2: he like, no, this is usually safe. I'm gonna stick

1078
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: with it for a while.

1079
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: I think he reacts less to pressure, and he's gonna

1080
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: stick with it, and he's not gonna move leave his

1081
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: bed unless he is eminently forced to leave that bed.

1082
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 3: That's the one thing I've noticed about big mature deer.

1083
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: They are very unlikely to get up out of their

1084
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: bed unless you walk over their head or something. I mean,

1085
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 3: it's tough to get him up out of their bed.

1086
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: And that goes to a point, and everybody's gonna be

1087
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 3: able to relate to this one thing that I no

1088
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 3: longer pay attention to, or other deer that catch my

1089
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: scent and blow you know, because your intuition is I

1090
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 3: just ruined my whole hunt. I'm not going to see

1091
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: this deer. I don't think that deer get out of

1092
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: their bed for those blowing doughs, no more than you

1093
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 3: or I would. You know, if your kid was crying,

1094
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 3: you know, crying wolf. You know, you figure it out.

1095
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 3: And those dos with those fawns will blow so easily

1096
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: and so frequently at everything. It's gunk bobcat at three

1097
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: hundred yards of kyote. He gets used to hearing that stuff.

1098
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 3: And when they're blowing at you, I don't think it

1099
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: means that much. And there was a time where I'd

1100
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: climb down and be like, I got to go get

1101
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: to another spot. Yeah, I don't do that anymore. And

1102
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: in fact, I've seen them get up and investigate what

1103
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 3: the source of the problem was, especially during the run.

1104
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: A blowing doze sometimes is your ally, so that that's

1105
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 3: a I don't call it a tip or something that

1106
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: I no longer pay attention to. When I get blown

1107
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: up and I just go back to hunting, and I

1108
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 3: just assume he's still betted right here. If I think

1109
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 3: he's betted there and I'm trying to kill him, I

1110
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 3: just assume he didn't leave his bed. I think they'd

1111
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: run over him and he probably wouldn't follow him out.

1112
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: He's very likely to still be in his bed. So

1113
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 3: then now it made delay when he gets up, or

1114
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 3: he may get up out of curiosity to go see.

1115
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: It may affect his movement, but I don't think it's

1116
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: going to get him up and make him run two miles.

1117
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 3: He's much more secure stand where he's at than he

1118
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 3: is on his feet running around going what else am

1119
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: I going to run into?

1120
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, So that raises some interesting questions though, when

1121
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 2: it comes to like choosing a stand location or choosing

1122
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: how aggressive you want to be. Like I can think

1123
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: of a lot of places that I would love to

1124
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: hunt tight to a buck's betting area like this like

1125
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: we're talking about, but it's a high deer density area,

1126
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: and I just know, like, man, if I get in there,

1127
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: I can I think I can beat the bucks nose,

1128
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 2: Like I think I know how to set up on

1129
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: what he'll do. But there's gonna be so many dang

1130
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: dos and funds that do crazy things that eventually what

1131
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: i'm is gonna win me. And so because of that,

1132
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't even go in there. Should I, you know,

1133
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: should I consider being more aggressive and just letting the

1134
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: doughs blow at me because I can get away with

1135
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: a little more that I'm assuming.

1136
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 3: So to me, then I'm going to pick weather condition

1137
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 3: before I sneak into a spot like that relevant or

1138
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 3: time year. I'm going to be more likely to try

1139
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 3: those types of spots during the rut, when they're covering

1140
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 3: more ground and when there's a lot of different chaos

1141
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 3: out there in their world, or on a rain event,

1142
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: to where I feel like I can safely get in

1143
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: there if it's raining hard, They're not very likely to

1144
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: react to you. In a rain event or a heavy windstorm,

1145
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: both of those things will help cover you going into

1146
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: a particular spot. And by heavy wind, I'm talking you know,

1147
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty five mile an hour. You can get

1148
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 3: by with a lot on a windy day in terms

1149
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 3: of access. You can get by with a lot on

1150
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: a rainy day, in terms of access. You can get

1151
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: by with a lot on a on a you know,

1152
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: November rut day in terms of access. So it really

1153
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 3: comes down to that for me. Now, if it's a calm,

1154
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: pretty morning and I know I'm going to be running

1155
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 3: through deer, I'm probably not going to go, So I

1156
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: wait for the right conditions.

1157
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: So let's say we're set up on a food plot

1158
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: that's tight to betting.

1159
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: To that end, I use those same conditions to go

1160
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 3: hang a stand, or to put a camera or go

1161
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 3: change batteries out in a camera or something like that.

1162
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 3: I use that wind and that rain to my advantage

1163
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: all the time. I wait for those events to go

1164
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 3: get something done that I need to do when I

1165
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: just will not intrude otherwise. Another thing in terms of intrusion,

1166
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: a tractor at night, going in or going out will

1167
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: almost never bother those deer. We've noticed that through the years,

1168
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: Like if you can get there, you know, if you've

1169
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: got to go check a camera or go move a

1170
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: blind or move a stand, those types of things, night

1171
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: time is a great time to do it. They're just

1172
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: not nearly as likely to react to you.

1173
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so do you think have you seen you know,

1174
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: back to the blowing dough thing, I've always felt like

1175
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: there was the cascading effect, and like if I'm hunting

1176
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: a food source and my wind is kind of blowing

1177
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: out into the food source, and I've always thought, man

1178
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: if if a dough family group or a dough winds

1179
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: me out in the food and she runs back in there,

1180
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 2: that buck will never make it here because he'll see

1181
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: that as an alarm and he's just not going to

1182
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: come all the way out in daylight if that happens

1183
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: even once. So, just to clarify what you're saying, are

1184
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: you saying that maybe I'm worrying a little too much

1185
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: on that even.

1186
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 3: I think you could be, because if you watch them,

1187
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: if you've seen a dough react to a coyote or

1188
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: a bobcat and they're not catching you, yeah, right, I

1189
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: mean that's their natural response is to snort and get

1190
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: their phones out of there or get other does out

1191
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 3: of there. So I don't pay much attention to it anymore.

1192
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: I stick in there, and I've seen, like I said,

1193
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: deer come and investigate it, go what was that? Depending

1194
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: on the time of the year, I've had other nights

1195
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 3: where I never see another deer enter the field, So

1196
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: it probably did affect it, But more often than not,

1197
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 3: I don't think it's moving him out of his bed.

1198
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: It may affect when he moves or how he moves,

1199
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 3: but I don't think he ran out of the area,

1200
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: that's my gut. I think he's stayed right wherever he

1201
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: was when that fuss started.

1202
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's continue on this line of kind of you know,

1203
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: buck behavior when they're like moving from bed to feed.

1204
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: I know we talked a little bit about where they

1205
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: want to live. We talked about how they're going to

1206
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: participate in the rut and why they're gonna be more

1207
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: daylight or not. But what about just any trends you've

1208
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: seen with like how they actually move across the landscape

1209
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: when you get to that like six seven year old buck,

1210
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: is it always going to be taking the area with

1211
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: the thickest, safest route to get to where he wants

1212
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: to go? Or do at some point do they get

1213
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: even lazier than usual? Like I know they're creatures of

1214
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: they prefer the path of least resistance, But does a

1215
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: six year old get even more that way because he's

1216
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: old and doesn't want to have to squeeze through the

1217
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: thick cover any anything you've noticed there?

1218
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: I think by the time they get at that age,

1219
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: bed is bad safety, safety, security, security, and they're going

1220
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 3: to have a tendency to go where they've been most

1221
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: secure throughout their life on that wind, on that weather

1222
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 3: during that period of the year, And that can change

1223
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 3: from phase to phase based on leaffall, based on whether

1224
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 3: he's on a hot dough or not. And I think

1225
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: it really comes down to, all right, if this is

1226
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 3: his bedroom, on these weather conditions, this wind speed, this

1227
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 3: wind direction, this crop rotation, how far is that from

1228
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: where he's feeding. Because he's older and he's almost in

1229
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: slow motion as compared to a year and a half

1230
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: or two and a half, they just don't walk very far.

1231
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: They don't walk very fast. They're very cautious, they're very careful.

1232
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: It's the old dog on the porch. They just don't

1233
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 3: they don't do the things that they did when they

1234
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 3: were younger. So it really comes down to that, and

1235
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 3: that gets back to that slot machine lining up, you know,

1236
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: where is his secure bed. Last night, I went scouting

1237
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: for our catcher dream hunt. I was watching one field

1238
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: on this side of this old dirt road and up

1239
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: on top of this pasture ridge. I turned around and

1240
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 3: looked and I saw my number one target in Iowa

1241
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: walking through this cattle pasture, coming out of these woods

1242
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: and crossing over this ridge. He's four hundred yards from

1243
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: where our food plot is. And I went back because

1244
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 3: I remember to myself, I get him daylight of the

1245
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: morning a lot. I almost never get him daylight of

1246
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: an evening, and it hit me right then. I'm like,

1247
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,919
Speaker 3: he's bedding in that little patch of woods right there.

1248
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: It's the same way I killed danger, Like I lost

1249
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 3: that deer, and then I refound him with my trail cameras,

1250
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: and then I just went into that bedroom and I

1251
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 3: killed him right there where he was coming because I

1252
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 3: found out where that security cover was for that time

1253
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 3: of the year, and I think, if you can do that,

1254
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: But in both of those cases, it took cameras, or

1255
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 3: in this case, it took me luckily looking over my shoulder. He's,

1256
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, five hundred yards away from me, and I

1257
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 3: saw him walking the ridge. I threw my glasses on

1258
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 3: him and I knew who it was. It's a buck

1259
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 3: I called the tumor buck. And I was like, Aha,

1260
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 3: he's betted in what I call the pretty woods. And

1261
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,959
Speaker 3: I'm talking the least secure cover you've ever seen. I'm

1262
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: talking you can see three hundred yards of these woods,

1263
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: so maybe for him it's the most secure. And he

1264
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: went across the ridge, he went down into the bottom,

1265
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 3: and sure enough I got a trail picture of him

1266
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: at like nine o'clock last night down in that food plot,

1267
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I got to change my strategy on

1268
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 3: this guy. Either, got it. I either have to start

1269
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: hunting the plot in the morning or chances are I'm

1270
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: going to go into those pretty woods and hang a

1271
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: stand set to catch him.

1272
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: Coming back, to catch him coming back in the morningning, Yeah,

1273
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: so try and try to kill in the morning. Will

1274
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: you try to do that early? Yeah, I know you

1275
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: usually don't hunt early morning.

1276
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 3: I'll try to do it in October. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

1277
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 3: for sure. I killed Danger of the Morning October twenty first. Yeah,

1278
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: so I will when the opportunity suggests I should. Certainly,

1279
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 3: I'll change my tactics quickly. But I've just had more

1280
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: luck in the evenings at food. But if it's a

1281
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 3: certain deer and that's your target and he's not killable

1282
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 3: down there at that food source, then you gotta change up.

1283
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 3: And I think Tumor Buck's gonna cause me to change up.

1284
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: I've got a great morning set along his path, but

1285
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever gotten a picture of him

1286
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: at that morning set. And I'm like, I'm off for

1287
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: Ridgerd two on this deer. And when I saw where

1288
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: he entered and where I saw where he came out of.

1289
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: You can bet I'm got scout him a little bit more.

1290
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put some cameras up there, and if I

1291
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: can catch him on that pattern, he'll be in trouble.

1292
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: How old is this deer?

1293
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: Tumor is seven and a half.

1294
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: Wow, And so when you say you're gonna do some scouting,

1295
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: you're hanging the set. You're gonna hang some cameras to

1296
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: figure him out. This is a seven year old deer.

1297
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: He's betting in the open timber. That sounds like very

1298
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: scary to me about trying to go in there and

1299
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: doing anything in this area where he's like gonna know

1300
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: I'm there. So are you going in on the tractor?

1301
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 2: Are you getting the ATV?

1302
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: That?

1303
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: Could you walk me through how you're gonna do those

1304
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: two three things?

1305
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: Well, there's a pastor that he's crossing, so that'll be easy, right.

1306
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: I can put a bunch of cameras on that pasture

1307
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: and catch him. But the the trick is going to

1308
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 3: be there haven't been cattle in there all summer. This

1309
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: is a I don't own this particular farm. It's the

1310
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: lease when they turn those cattle, and there's going to

1311
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 3: change everything anyway. Then he may change his bed. So

1312
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 3: cattle could actually be my friend in this case, believe

1313
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 3: or not. I sat there last night thinking, you know what,

1314
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: when they turned cattle in there, it's going to force

1315
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 3: him into this other block of timber because it's fenced out,

1316
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 3: whereas the one he came out of last night is

1317
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: open to the cattle. That's why it's so pretty. But

1318
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 3: he may switch over to the other block, so that

1319
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 3: comes into play. But as long as the cattle aren't

1320
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 3: in there, I can put I can get to that

1321
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 3: pasture easy on the right winds and put cameras up

1322
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: there and see if I can figure out where he's

1323
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: crossing and where he's coming out of those pretty woods.

1324
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: And if I can do that, I'll catch him coming

1325
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: back in there. But if I go hang the stand,

1326
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 3: I'll wait till the middle of the night to go

1327
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 3: do it. I do a lot of that in the

1328
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 3: middle of the night. I just think you're safer if

1329
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 3: you're trying to go into their bedroom. Why do it

1330
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 3: when they're in there. Do it when they're not in there.

1331
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: It's got to take the right safety precautions. But take

1332
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: a rainy night, get in there. You know you're not

1333
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 3: going to affect anything. Yeah, Well, I've got one one

1334
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: of our editors, Carson Brandt, is on an absolute mega, giant,

1335
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 3: big as they get deer that he has the sheds

1336
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: to the last two seasons and he did not have

1337
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 3: permission to hunt this spot. Now he gained permission this year.

1338
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 3: And this dear looks two ten to two thirty to me.

1339
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 3: I mean, big frame deer. I could be off, but

1340
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,479
Speaker 3: the gagger, I mean, he's just unbelievable. And he asked

1341
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 3: me to come look at the spot. So we went

1342
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: around the whole and it's eighty acres that he has

1343
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 3: permission on. But the deer's in there quite a bit.

1344
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: And he goes, man, I just don't want to go

1345
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 3: in there, and Bubby Mount I said, wait till night.

1346
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: You know he wanted a northwest wind. I said. He

1347
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 3: waited probably six oh, no, probably about five weeks for

1348
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 3: a heavy rainstorm, northwest wind, middle of the night, hung

1349
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 3: four sets ten cel cams and now he's set up

1350
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 3: to hunt that deer. So I think you could get

1351
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 3: by with a little bit more at night than you

1352
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 3: can during the day. Use the heavy rain. You gotta

1353
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 3: be safe, gotta be careful, but it washes away your sins.

1354
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 3: That's what I say. Rainstorms wash away your sins. It's

1355
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: a little bit tougher for them to catch your scent

1356
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: and just just makes a lot more sense. So you

1357
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 3: just got to you got to use what they do

1358
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: in your favor. Right, they're probably going to be out

1359
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: of their bedroom at night, wind, rain, those types of

1360
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 3: weather events. Use them to your advantage. A lot of

1361
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: people go, oh, it's winning, I'm not going or it's raining. Well,

1362
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 3: maybe you don't want to go hunting, but can you

1363
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 3: go get something done, and you know, don't be afraid

1364
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 3: to try and do something at night. Just take the

1365
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 3: safety precautions to before you go do it, take a friend,

1366
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 3: do the right things, make sure you're tied off at

1367
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: all times. If you're hanging a stand, be very careful.

1368
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I want to rewind just a little bit

1369
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: to what we were talking about just before this example,

1370
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: and that being you know, trying to figure out these

1371
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 2: personalities and one of the things that I've always assumed,

1372
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: but I'm curious if your experiences back this up has

1373
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: been as those bucks get older, am I right to

1374
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: assume that their annual patterns become more consistent, become tighter,

1375
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 2: like they have more validity if I've seen something up

1376
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 2: to a seven year old buck versus like trying to

1377
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: figure out like a four year old's behavior based off

1378
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: of what he did at two and a three year old,

1379
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: Is that have any truth to it?

1380
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 3: I think so. But I think as bucks age, the

1381
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 3: reasons they move are fewer and fewer, which is why

1382
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: you have to have the exact right conditions. Are the

1383
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 3: right good luck or the right ability to look at

1384
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 3: the weather, look at the time of the year and

1385
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 3: try to get those slot machines lining up, because you know,

1386
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,919
Speaker 3: if you compare him, when you take a start difference

1387
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 3: three and a half to six and a half, he's

1388
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 3: just not going to move during daylight as much at

1389
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 3: six and a half as he did it three and

1390
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 3: a half. He made daylight twenty days throughout the hunting

1391
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 3: season when he's three and a half. That might be

1392
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 3: cut to two or three when he's six and a half.

1393
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 3: That's the thing, that's why I call him a goest.

1394
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: Those six year olds just don't move around very much

1395
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 3: during daylight, So I think you have to keep that

1396
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 3: in mind, Like, if you're hunting these old deer, your

1397
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 3: odds of seeing him are much more diminished than when

1398
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 3: he was three or four. It's just not nearly as

1399
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: likely unless other things occur. You know, you might have

1400
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: a hunter on a neighboring property bump him. He might

1401
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 3: have an injury, and he's going to food every night,

1402
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 3: and that makes him a little more susceptible. I've seen

1403
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: that happen. I killed a deer last year that had

1404
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 3: a really bad leg injury, and I had pictures of

1405
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: him all summer, and then all of a sudden he

1406
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 3: just vanished. And then I started getting him again in

1407
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 3: late November out of nowhere. And he was a homeboy

1408
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: the year before on this farm, and he's got this

1409
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: swollen leg and a shoulder that's kind of caved in,

1410
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: like something neurologically happen to him, Like the meat wasn't

1411
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 3: even on the bone. Like I don't know what happened

1412
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,480
Speaker 3: to that deer, but I swear he sat out October

1413
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 3: and most of November and didn't really participate. And then

1414
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, late NOVEMBERY starts daylighting on this

1415
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 3: food plot. He was hobbling he could run, but when

1416
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 3: he walked he had a really bad limp. And we

1417
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 3: went in there and we killed that deer, and I

1418
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 3: know that injury just sidelined him throughout the rut. So

1419
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 3: you do get those unique occurrences where health can either

1420
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 3: increase your chances or decrease your chances. I've seen deer

1421
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 3: that sustain an injury from another buck that boom. They're

1422
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 3: off the shelf. They're going to sideline, They're going to

1423
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: sit in their bed and not move. They're going to

1424
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: heal up or say, you make an errant, shot your shoulder,

1425
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 3: shoot one. If it's in the wrong place. He starts

1426
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,879
Speaker 3: to feel really bad. He could be out of rotation

1427
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 3: for three or four weeks ago, Oh did I kill

1428
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 3: that deer, and then all of a sudden he pops

1429
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 3: back up in December. So there are unique occurrences that,

1430
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: like I said, can increase how much he moves or

1431
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 3: decrease how much he moves. So you keep that in mind.

1432
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 3: But all things being equal, they're not going to move

1433
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 3: a lot when they're five and six years old. You

1434
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 3: have to have the right window of opportunity that late

1435
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 3: October sometime during the road on a hot dough sometimes

1436
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: during December during really rough weather, if you can find

1437
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 3: where he's feeding, you know, they're just unique opportunities, and

1438
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 3: they're not very frequent.

1439
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: So continuing down the line with like trying to uncover

1440
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: not just the pattern but the personality. I always run

1441
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 2: my cameras on photo mode because I've always just worried

1442
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: about batteries and I don't want to have to go

1443
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 2: check in batteries, and I don't want to go pulling cameras,

1444
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: and and I don't have solar panels on my cells.

1445
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 2: I probably should do that, but so I've always been

1446
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 2: worried about that.

1447
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, solar panel game changers, game changers.

1448
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: So so that answers part of my question. But I've

1449
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: wondered as I've started having opportunities to have older deer

1450
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: around more and more often, I've wondered more and more, like,

1451
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 2: am I missing out on some really important little pieces

1452
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: of intel I could have if I were to run

1453
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: these on video? Or often when your targety's older deer?

1454
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: Is that important to get the videos or not so much?

1455
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 3: I don't think it is, but I'm old school. Perhaps

1456
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 3: it is, you know, But I'm running a lot of cameras,

1457
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 3: so I don't want to take the time. I really

1458
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 3: don't have the time to do it right. So I'm

1459
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 3: old school. I'm one picture every fifteen seconds in most situations,

1460
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, on a scrape, I'm a picture every fifteen seconds.

1461
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: I love that setting. Seems like a good pace, don't

1462
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: miss a lot. If it's I really want to get intel,

1463
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm picture no delay, you know, which is pretty close

1464
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 3: to video anyway. So that's another opportunity. It's a little

1465
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 3: easier to go through those as opposed to the video

1466
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: clip if it's fifteen seconds long and all your catches

1467
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 3: is but you know, and then you're watching fifteen seconds.

1468
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 3: You know. I don't like video myself, just because it's

1469
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 3: such a time suck. I means, it takes a lot

1470
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 3: of time to review all those videos. I mean that's painstaking.

1471
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: So I like to fly through that car and watch

1472
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 3: it and go. But picture picture no delay is going

1473
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 3: to get you really close to that video effect anyway.

1474
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. What about how these old

1475
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: bucks react to cameras. Do you find that six seven

1476
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: year old buck more camera shy, more apt to be

1477
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: bothered by a camera, anything like that or No.

1478
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 3: I think that's personality driven too. Like I've had certain

1479
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 3: bucks that they see a camera, they'll go walk up

1480
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 3: to it every single time, and they're very you know,

1481
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 3: it's like they're a camera hog, you know, and another

1482
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,599
Speaker 3: bucks you see them kind of shine away from it.

1483
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 3: So is it the IR I use IR you kind

1484
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 3: of you know, less glow. And I think that's dependent

1485
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 3: upon the buck, and each personality is different. I'm sure

1486
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 3: the more pressure, the more cameras could probably dissuade them

1487
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: from walking in front of one. I will say that

1488
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 3: if it's already a place that they're uncomfortable walking through,

1489
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 3: like a gate gap. I have a tendency not to

1490
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 3: monitor gate gaps with my cameras are certainly not on

1491
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 3: the gap itself, because I think that could way about

1492
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 3: because they don't like to be pinched right. They don't

1493
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 3: like really close quarters or pinch points, whether it be

1494
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: a lake that's got them up against a fence or

1495
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 3: a gate gap or a bunch of bales and there's

1496
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: only one way out. They don't like those scenarios in

1497
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 3: my experience, so I don't give them another reason to

1498
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 3: dislike that spot, especially if I'm trying to kill a

1499
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 3: deer walking through that gate gap or walking through that pitch.

1500
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 3: So I have a tendency to put my cameras a

1501
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 3: little bit more in an inventory type of situation on

1502
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 3: the outskirts as opposed to internal, if that makes sense,

1503
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: or on a pinch point.

1504
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. I've also thought, like with a couple places

1505
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: that I've hunted for a long time, Like I've got

1506
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: a couple places now that I've been able to hunt

1507
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: for twelve years maybe more now, and I've had cameras,

1508
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, out across this property for all those years.

1509
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: I've started to wonder, like, man, my five year old

1510
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: bucks have had these cameras in their face for years

1511
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: and years and years, like kind of get away? Do

1512
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 2: I need to be less worried about it now because

1513
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 2: they've seen it so much?

1514
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's probably still personality driven, but

1515
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 3: I do think there is something to that. If they

1516
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 3: grew up with that I are flash going off and

1517
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 3: it's never harmed them, why would they be scared of it?

1518
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: Whereas if you move in and it's a new property

1519
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 3: and they've never seen cameras, chances are they're gonna they're

1520
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 3: gonna have an adverse effect to it, it would be

1521
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: my gut, you know. Yeah, So it's kind of like, uh,

1522
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 3: box blinds. For us, we hunt a lot out of blinds,

1523
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 3: and if we have a five and a half or

1524
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 3: six and a half year old deer, well, he's walked

1525
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 3: by those box blinds his whole life, like it's a tree.

1526
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: So if we move one a little bit, we're not

1527
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 3: too We're not too afraid to move in on a

1528
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 3: buck if we have to. And because it's COUNTERINTOOI because

1529
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: you think, oh, this is going to booger them, but

1530
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 3: in reality, we haven't. We haven't seen that happen.

1531
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. When it comes to these deer moving

1532
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 2: in daylight, we've we've established pretty clearly that they move

1533
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 2: less and less and less the older they get in daylight. Usually.

1534
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: We've had some really great conversations here on the show

1535
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 2: over the last ten years about all the different theories

1536
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: you have around different factors of increased movement, which is

1537
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 2: of course led to the deer cast, which is a

1538
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 2: heck of a tool. So there's all these different variables

1539
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 2: that increase deer movement, stuff like weather factor's temperature, moon wind,

1540
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: pre sip, barometric pressure, et cetera. Do any of those

1541
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: stand out as the most important for an old deer,

1542
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: Like I realized, like all these factors might impact the

1543
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 2: whole deer herd, right, But is there anything that might

1544
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 2: be something like, of all of those, this one's the

1545
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 2: most important when it comes to like the old old

1546
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 2: buck or the opposite. Is there anything that tends to

1547
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: get does move in a lot, But like when it

1548
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 2: comes to that big old guy, Eh, not as much.

1549
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 3: It's temperature. They're big, they got that big coat on.

1550
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: And if I had to point my finger at one thing,

1551
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: they are very temperature sensitive. If that temperature is much

1552
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: above normal, particularly when you look at the falls we've

1553
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 3: had the last few years. Man, it seems like we've

1554
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 3: been ten degrees above normal for three years and it

1555
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: just subdues daylight activity by those deer. It just it

1556
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 3: just either not moving very far anyway. So if you

1557
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 3: heat it up and they're not moving very far, the

1558
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: chances of him getting there during daylight isn't good, you know,

1559
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: at all? So I think temp they're very temperature sensitive.

1560
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 3: If I had to pick one thing more so than

1561
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 3: any other factor, it's it's that warm weather. It pushes them.

1562
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,879
Speaker 3: It just subdues that daylight activity. It drives me insane.

1563
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: I look at the forecast, you know, and it seems

1564
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 3: like I've been looking at the same poorcast for three

1565
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: years above normal, and I think it just hurts overall

1566
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 3: daylight activity. Now, when you get a front look out,

1567
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 3: because they're fixing to go, you know, when they're when

1568
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 3: they're used to that warm weather and you finally put

1569
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 3: a cold front across them, they're all getting ready to

1570
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: get up and go. So it does make the coal

1571
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 3: fronts even better. But man, I just I just love

1572
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 3: norm or ten fifteen degrees below norms. That's that sweet spot.

1573
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: Give me ten twelve fifteen degrees below normal temperature for

1574
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 3: the day. You're gonna have a you're gonna have a good,

1575
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: good sit, You're gonna have a good hunt.

1576
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 2: So we're hunting a deer like this, we're hunting a

1577
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: six year old. We know we've got these short special

1578
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 2: windows we're looking for. We find one of those short

1579
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 2: special windows. We know he's not gonna likely move real

1580
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 2: far from his bedroom because he's got a tighter core area.

1581
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: So we're pushing in there smartly. But you know, we're

1582
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: not expecting to travel a mile. We've tried to pattern him,

1583
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 2: we have an annual history, we've looked for personality traits.

1584
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: We've done all of those things, and we see the buck.

1585
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: We see a six year old buck out there. Is

1586
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 2: there anything different I should be thinking about with a

1587
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: six year old out one hundred yards away from me

1588
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 2: versus a three year old out there when it comes

1589
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: to calling at him, rattling at him, using a decoy,

1590
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,839
Speaker 2: any of those aggressive things. Do these really old bucks

1591
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: have a tendency to react differently than those, you know, adolescents.

1592
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 3: I think they could. I think that if you watch

1593
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 3: a young deer, they get in the mood more often

1594
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 3: right their testosteron's up, and you could call him in

1595
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 3: three days in a row. That older buck better be

1596
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: in the right mood before you try, and he better

1597
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 3: be in the right win position with the right route

1598
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 3: coming to you before you try. So I've said this

1599
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: before in your podcast. The older I get, the less

1600
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 3: I call, but the more success I have when I call,

1601
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 3: because I choose my times to throw that dart. And

1602
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 3: if things aren't perfect in his demeanor, in his body posture,

1603
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: whether his bellies full or not, that's another thing. With

1604
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 3: a deer, depending on the time of the year. If

1605
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: he's eating, I generally let him finish eating. If I

1606
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: feel like I've got enough time before I start calling

1607
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 3: to him, make sure he's already got his full and

1608
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 3: he starts to look around the rest of the field.

1609
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 3: Make sure his interest level is up. I think a

1610
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 3: mistake hunters can make is trying to pull him in

1611
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,759
Speaker 3: with a call the moment he steps onto the field

1612
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 3: if he's eating that particular day. Decoys can be very good,

1613
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 3: depends how many does you're going to affect trying to

1614
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 3: get to that guy. That's the thing with decoys I

1615
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 3: always have when I have bad luck, it's because does

1616
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 3: screw it up right? You know, the bucks on the field,

1617
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,880
Speaker 3: does come investigate it? First they blow up, and then

1618
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,520
Speaker 3: they stand there. They come back in, sniff, run away, snort,

1619
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: do all this different stuff, and he's just standing there

1620
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 3: and there watching it. So when I decoy, I like mornings,

1621
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 3: when deer going point A to point B. I don't

1622
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: like evenings where everything's conglomerated at the same place and

1623
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 3: you got to pass many inspections before you get, you know,

1624
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 3: to the to the eyes you're after because he's going

1625
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 3: to be chances are one or the later deer on

1626
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: the fields. So uh, you just gotta gotta choose. You

1627
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 3: got to think it through and go what is the

1628
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 3: most likelihood that I'm going to get him over here?

1629
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: And I don't call him ature bucks very often unless

1630
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 3: he's in the exact right mood. He looks at you know,

1631
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 3: he's got a little more movement to him, he's a

1632
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 3: little more energetic. Like I said, He's not going to

1633
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 3: reach that type of mood very often, and if you

1634
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 3: catch him in the right mood, he will come though.

1635
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 3: That is the one thing I have noticed. I have

1636
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 3: seen bucks of that age when they're with a mature dough,

1637
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 3: they're a little more likely to be reactive to a

1638
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 3: call than any other time because they will not tolerate

1639
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 3: another buck getting close to him if they are the

1640
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 3: dominant deer in that herd. But that depends how close

1641
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 3: you are to it or how many other bucks around.

1642
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 3: I've seen situations where there's a mature buck tending a

1643
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 3: doe and a bunch of other bucks in the magic circle,

1644
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,520
Speaker 3: and you can rattle and have some fun in situations

1645
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: like that, But if it's just a buck and a

1646
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: dough snort wheeze is a really good call to try.

1647
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,640
Speaker 3: But if they're three four hundred yards away, he's not

1648
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 3: going to leave. Your chances are you need to be

1649
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 3: relatively close for that to happen. So if I'm in

1650
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 3: that situation, I'm probably not gonna call to him. I'll

1651
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 3: wait till a better time, a better chance. The other

1652
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 3: thing that I've noticed about a mature buck, once he's

1653
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 3: doed up, they generally don't move very far from that spot.

1654
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 3: Like you could literally dance around that spot on different

1655
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 3: wind directions for several days and you'll still see that

1656
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 3: that pair, they don't go very far. If you find

1657
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 3: that magic circle more often than not, you know, you

1658
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: know that that home core might went from two or

1659
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 3: three hundred yards all of a sudden, I'm doughed up,

1660
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:30,599
Speaker 3: and he stays in the same hall for three days.

1661
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's unique to find that situation, but when

1662
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: you do, you can stick with it and eventually get

1663
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 3: him killed just by their meandering within that small spot.

1664
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: And so would you get pretty down aggressive in that

1665
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: scenario when you know he's hold up in there, he's

1666
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 2: doing whatever the dough does. You've got this kind of

1667
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 2: special tight tight tight range. Are you pulling? You know,

1668
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:54,799
Speaker 2: pulling all the stops?

1669
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 3: Depends on his mood. If I if I see something

1670
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: I like with the right wind in the right position

1671
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 3: for him to come to me, I might try and

1672
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 3: you bet, yeah, you bet?

1673
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: All right. We talked about the fourth buck. We talked

1674
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: about that buck with Todd Smith. But I'm wondering to

1675
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 2: kind of I want to touch on two quick more

1676
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 2: things to kind of wrap a bow on this whole

1677
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: conversation when it comes to understanding these really old deer?

1678
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 2: Is there any other deer other than those two that

1679
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 2: we kind of spend some time on that you can

1680
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 2: point to having taught you the most as far as

1681
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: an old buck that taught you something about old bucks?

1682
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 2: Is there one of those deer that stands out is

1683
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 2: having taught you the most important lesson that has now

1684
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: led you to be more successful trying to kill that

1685
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 2: oldest of buck. Is there a story that you can

1686
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 2: think of you could tell us and share with us

1687
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 2: what you learn from him.

1688
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 3: I think it answered that question. And I've talked about

1689
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 3: this a lot on your show. Pre scouting a deer

1690
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 3: years in advance so that you're ready for him. The

1691
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 3: year you're trying to target him. O October was that

1692
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: dear for me. I had just a few pictures of

1693
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 3: him on the outskirts of one particular draw when he

1694
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: was three and a half. When he was four and

1695
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 3: a half, I went up and down that draw and

1696
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 3: I put cameras all over it. I did it. And

1697
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 3: this was a big CRP field with these long finger draws,

1698
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 3: and I put cameras and three finger draws in a row,

1699
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: and I only got him during daylight in one of them,

1700
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, I got you as soon as

1701
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 3: I looked at and I let him run the whole year.

1702
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 3: I make sure they were batteried up. I put him

1703
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: on a slow enough speed. I wanted to make sure

1704
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: the batteries lasted the full year. I put him out

1705
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 3: in September. I collected him in February and I got

1706
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 3: a full picture of the year. And as soon as

1707
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 3: I saw it, I was like, you're dead. I mean

1708
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 3: I just knew it because it was a south wind spot,

1709
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 3: it was right below me. I knew where to hunt him,

1710
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 3: and I killed him that following year. So that pre

1711
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 3: scouting with cameras to learn a buck and find his

1712
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 3: home core area. When you can do it, I think

1713
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 3: that's the best thing you can give yourself. But keep

1714
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 3: all the information, keep all the pictures, interpret that information,

1715
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 3: lay your game planing out in the off season so

1716
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 3: that you're ready come the following season or two seasons

1717
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: from now, or whatever it is. That taught me a

1718
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 3: lot about a particular deer and their personality. And when

1719
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 3: you find that bucks bedroom and truly find it where

1720
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 3: he's in there a lot during daylight, you're going to

1721
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 3: kill that deer if you're smart about how you approach it.

1722
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 3: That was probably the number one thing that I learned

1723
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 3: from that particular deer. That was two thousand and I

1724
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 3: had those cameras out in two thousand and that'd been fourteen,

1725
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 3: and then I killed him in fifteen.

1726
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 2: Wow, it was that long ago. That feels like it

1727
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 2: was yesterday. Interesting. I'll just I'll mention for folks listening

1728
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 2: if they haven't heard the podcast that we did last

1729
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: year on patterning deer, they should definitely jump back and

1730
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: listen to that one because that covers a lot of

1731
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: what you're talking about here in even more detail. So

1732
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 2: just in there, great great point. Last question for you, Mark,

1733
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: if you were to be given a stone tablet and

1734
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: a chisel, and you were going to chisel in your

1735
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: three rules for hunting this supermature buck, Mark Jury's three

1736
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 2: commandments of hunting old old bucks. What would those three

1737
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 2: commandments be that you would want to chisel into those

1738
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 2: tablets and give to anyone who says, hey, man, I'm

1739
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 2: done with three year olds, I'm done with four year olds.

1740
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 2: I want to try to kill that old grandpa buck.

1741
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 2: What are those three things you put down there?

1742
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: Mark Scott more than you hunt, only go for the

1743
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 3: throat on the exact right conditions, and if you can

1744
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 3: use cameras to scout him a year in advance. Yeah,

1745
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 3: you take those those three things which scot more than

1746
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 3: hunt in moment I'm talking about. So watch rather than hunt,

1747
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 3: Watch rather than hunt, commit to that deer and that

1748
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 3: deer only don't get distracted and try to try to

1749
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 3: put a pattern together with those pictures from previous years.

1750
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 3: Those three things, and you're going to be in a

1751
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 3: better better position to kill that deer.

1752
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 2: Awesome, all right?

1753
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 3: Four Number four, enjoy the process, have fun. Always make

1754
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 3: sure you have to smile on your faith if you're

1755
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 3: if something's going on and you're hunting and you're not smiling,

1756
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 3: then you're the problem. Yeah, I just promise you man,

1757
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 3: just make sure every single moment is a blast.

1758
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: Yes, we just love it. That's great. I've I've definitely

1759
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 2: been guilty in the past of letting my worries about

1760
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 2: trying to kill that deer stress me out and take

1761
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: away that fun a little bit. So I'm trying to

1762
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 2: get better at that mark. So great reminder.

1763
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 3: Got to if you're not smiling every single setting, it's

1764
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 3: on you, not the animal.

1765
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 2: So true, So real quick for it, let you go.

1766
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 2: Is there anything we should be watching for new coming

1767
01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: from from d D? Is there anything new on deer Cast,

1768
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: any new content, anything you want to make sure we

1769
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: know about.

1770
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 3: Certainly. I mean, we do our semi live series. We've

1771
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 3: been doing it now in the last few years. We're

1772
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 3: on episode sixteen already of Deer Season twenty three, which

1773
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 3: you can catch every single episode within deer Cast or

1774
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 3: you can catch it on YouTube. We've got some really

1775
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: cool stuff coming down the pipe with deer Casts that

1776
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 3: we're very excited about. I think the algorithm is probably

1777
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,680
Speaker 3: more accurate right now than it's ever been. Anybody that's

1778
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 3: not ever downloaded to give it a try. But all

1779
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 3: things Drury are found within Deer Cast, no doubt. So

1780
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 3: that's that's the best way to keep up with us.

1781
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 3: Awesome and of course Facebook, Instagram all the good stuff.

1782
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, well.

1783
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 2: It's great stuff. I'm an annual user. I actually upgraded

1784
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,719
Speaker 2: this year so I can get your rain checker because

1785
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 2: I wanted a convenient way to see what kind of

1786
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 2: water my food plots were getting. And that was very

1787
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 2: handy this year, although it stressed me out some with

1788
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 2: a drought, but still I wanted to know.

1789
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I know the answer, not enough.

1790
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can't recommend it all in so it's

1791
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: great and as always, Mark really enjoyed this. Thank you.

1792
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 3: Thank you Mark, I appreciate It's always a pleasure getting

1793
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 3: on here and busying with you.

1794
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: It's a good, good time. Hopefully we'll be able to

1795
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 2: do it soon again. Have a story of that big

1796
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 2: old uh pretty woods buck hitting the ground.

1797
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 3: All right, he's in trouble. I think, I think I

1798
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 3: believe that was in trouble. I have a decent confidence

1799
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 3: level about both those deer, so we'll see. Probably won't

1800
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 3: kill you.

1801
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: The one now, well, I wouldn't want to put the

1802
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: odds against you. It's gonna happen, all right. I hope

1803
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: you've enjoyed that one. Thank you for joining in. It's

1804
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 2: hunting season, baby, have some fun, good luck out there,

1805
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 2: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.