Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: What a fucking week it has been. Let's just start there.
Speaker 1: You know on Tuesday night, right, when was it Tuesday night? No,
Speaker 1: it was Monday night. I don't even know anymore. But
Speaker 1: when the news broke, when political broke news of Alito's
Speaker 1: decision to overturn a fifty year old, constitutionally recognized right
Speaker 1: for a woman and people who are pregnant to have
Speaker 1: an abortion, it sent shockwaves through the country, through our
Speaker 1: legal system, through our government, through our hearts. Because what
Speaker 1: I have come to really understand about this iteration of
Speaker 1: the Republican white supremacist cult is that they are held
Speaker 1: bent on not only their supremacy right through minority rule,
Speaker 1: which they are instituting and using the courts to apply
Speaker 1: their will to the American people who largely disagree with
Speaker 1: their policies, largely disagree with their ideology, and so in
Speaker 1: order for them to be able to impose right their
Speaker 1: theocratic authoritarian ideas is to own the courts, is to
Speaker 1: place people in lifetime positions and appointments who uphold their
Speaker 1: white evangelical Christian fundamentalist values, and I realized that the
Speaker 1: goal is pain, the goal is suffering for anyone that
Speaker 1: does not adhere to their archaic, misogynistic, patriarchal goals, that
Speaker 1: if you are not, if you do not submit right
Speaker 1: to their will, you will be in danger. My upcoming
Speaker 1: guest on today's show, Noreene Farrell, is the executive director
Speaker 1: at Equal Rights Advocates, a group that was started in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four with essentially mirroring the time that Rovie
Speaker 1: Wade would become law, to uphold and create opportunities for
Speaker 1: the expansion of gender equity for women and girls in
Speaker 1: both schools and at work. They believe and advocate for
Speaker 1: a culture and a society that allows women and girls
Speaker 1: to work and attend school free from misogyny, patriarchy, violence,
Speaker 1: and harm. Imagine that, Imagine that this freition nation that
Speaker 1: we live in, that we require there to be organizations
Speaker 1: and institutions that are put in place to watch out
Speaker 1: for the Trumps and the Alitos and the Cavanaughs of
Speaker 1: the world, because their goal has always been to do
Speaker 1: as much harm as possible and then couch it in
Speaker 1: our legal system and to say that their desire for erasure,
Speaker 1: for control, for supremacy is legally backed. So how dare
Speaker 1: we right to make us seem as if we are
Speaker 1: as Marjorie Taylor Green has said, the bawn of Satan right?
Speaker 1: And what do you do? What have you seen throughout
Speaker 1: history when people like the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Trumps,
Speaker 1: and the Elitos and the Thomases and the Gorseches and
Speaker 1: the Barrets of the world point fingers at you and
Speaker 1: say that you are evil. We've seen people lynched, We've
Speaker 1: seen people burned at the stake. We've seen entire libraries
Speaker 1: burned down. We've seen church churches bombed. We've seen gay people,
Speaker 1: queer people beaten to death, murdered, stuffed into garbage pails.
Speaker 1: This is the world that white supremacy and white evangelical
Speaker 1: christiandom creates and has created. Is their history. They were
Speaker 1: burning crosses on the lawns of black people in this country.
Speaker 1: They burned the their own cross that they swear to
Speaker 1: pray to and uphold to. What the fuck does that
Speaker 1: say about who they are? So when folks right now
Speaker 1: on social media they want to say that Oh, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be it. That abortion somehow is the end
Speaker 1: of their crusade. I'm like, wake the fuck up, this
Speaker 1: is just the beginning. And my guest, Noreene Farrell, the
Speaker 1: executive director of Equal Rights Advocates, will say she will
Speaker 1: refer to what the ninety eight page opinion reads as
Speaker 1: a manifesto of white evangelical Christendom, and that if we
Speaker 1: are going to live in a society where precedent no
Speaker 1: longer matters, where laws no longer matter, where the will
Speaker 1: of five people can be imposed on a nation of
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million plus, where do you think
Speaker 1: that this is headed. It's only headed in one direction,
Speaker 1: and that is revolution. But it's whether or not the
Speaker 1: people are going to have the will right to rise up.
Speaker 1: Because our representative, somebody had sent me, and I think
Speaker 1: it was one of one of my faithful listeners sent
Speaker 1: me an image of Joe Biden all smiles, with Joe Mansion,
Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema, Susan Collins, and I forget who else was
Speaker 1: in the picture. I think, Kyle, it was you that
Speaker 1: sent it to me. And I looked at this photograph
Speaker 1: and I said to myself, as my mother has been
Speaker 1: asking me, are they all in cahoots? Are they all
Speaker 1: laughing at us? We really think that Democrats are on
Speaker 1: our side, and come to find out that many of
Speaker 1: them have no desire to codify Roe v. Wade into law.
Speaker 1: They have no desire to turn over the filibuster in
Speaker 1: order to preserve civil rights, equal rights, and protection in
Speaker 1: this country. So if the people within your own tent
Speaker 1: don't share the same values and belief that you do,
Speaker 1: then why are we voting for them? The enemy of
Speaker 1: my enemy is not my friend, right and when in
Speaker 1: fact our friends don't even signal that they understand who
Speaker 1: the fuck the enemy is, that doesn't sit well either.
Speaker 1: My mother said this also, and again I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about it, she said, Danielle, you know, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to sound like a conspiracy theorist. And I said, you're
Speaker 1: coming to the right place, she goes. But don't you
Speaker 1: think that it's just so interesting that they would leak
Speaker 1: this statement now, that they would leak this opinion. Now
Speaker 1: do you think that Republicans are up to something even
Speaker 1: worse than this? That they just launched this into the
Speaker 1: sphere to provide like the ultimate distraction? And I said, Mom,
Speaker 1: You're right. Their whole lives are about distraction, right. It's like,
Speaker 1: look at this thing over here. Oh my god. The
Speaker 1: biggest issue is the leak. It's not the content of
Speaker 1: the opinion. It's not the fact that Justice Alito has
Speaker 1: signaled to the country that privacy laws are not foundational
Speaker 1: to the Constitute tuition and that these kind of you know,
Speaker 1: rights that we have won over the past six decades,
Speaker 1: you know, we're just a mere suggestion, and that everything
Speaker 1: is on the chopping block. Justice Alito, apparently, according to
Speaker 1: social media, has canceled his public appearances. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: why stand by your bullshit? Why would you cancel a
Speaker 1: public appearance because you what you think You're not going
Speaker 1: to walk into applause from your Christian fandom. Or is
Speaker 1: it that you think that maybe, just maybe you may
Speaker 1: have overreached, that maybe just maybe you may have overplayed
Speaker 1: your hand. You got Susan Collins saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Gorsich and Barrett and Kavanaugh, they lied to me. No,
Speaker 1: you lie to yourself, because that's how you are able
Speaker 1: to sleep at night. You lie to yourself about who
Speaker 1: you are and what you stand for. And it's pooh pooh,
Speaker 1: boo boo. The fool is all of us who believe
Speaker 1: that Murkowski and Collins are somehow what two moderate Republicans.
Speaker 1: They are nothing more than the Republican handmaids, right, the
Speaker 1: mistresses in the big house that stand there and clutch
Speaker 1: their pearls while they watch Massa in the field, beating, whipping, raping. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but he said that he would be
Speaker 1: nice to them. Those are the Susan Collinses and the
Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowskis of the world. Fuck you is what I
Speaker 1: say to them. Is what I say to our moderate
Speaker 1: Democrats who still get to hold the title of moderate
Speaker 1: when there is nothing moderate about the rollback of our
Speaker 1: rights and the threat of violence that now is hanging
Speaker 1: over all of our heads who are not white, sith,
Speaker 1: straight and Christian. I say, fuck you Joe Manchin, fuck
Speaker 1: you Kirsten Cinema and these fucking lackluster, backless, spineless Democrats. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna fight, fight, fight what from the comfort of
Speaker 1: your million dollar homes, multimillion dollar homes, From the comfort
Speaker 1: of your ivory tower that you get to sit in,
Speaker 1: while the rest of us will have to deal with
Speaker 1: the muck that you are turning this country into because
Speaker 1: you have a lack of will, a lack of conviction,
Speaker 1: a lack of strategy, and a lack of vision. We
Speaker 1: are here because of a lack of courage on the
Speaker 1: part of Democrats. We are here because we elected Joe
Speaker 1: Biden and felt that his moderation and temper temperament was
Speaker 1: what this country needed. And I will tell you and
Speaker 1: you all know, he wasn't my first or fifth choice,
Speaker 1: because I knew that this nation needed an actual fighter,
Speaker 1: needed somebody who was going to call a spade a
Speaker 1: spade and go fucking toe to toe. We're all tough
Speaker 1: talk when it's about Putin and what's happening overseas. Republicans
Speaker 1: are waging war in America right now, and Democrats are
Speaker 1: looking around like, well, maybe next election will win. There
Speaker 1: is no next election, you fucking idiots, folks. I am
Speaker 1: angry this week. I am pained this week. I am
Speaker 1: grieving so many things this week. Every Friday that we
Speaker 1: get here, I say, I give thanks and gratitude that
Speaker 1: we have arrived at the end of this week. But
Speaker 1: my god, I'm tired, as the meme says, of living
Speaker 1: through multiple historic events, historic catastrophes, one after the other,
Speaker 1: after the other after the other. It is exhausting. So, friends,
Speaker 1: after you listen to today's show and the closing of it,
Speaker 1: put it down. Put the weight of this week down,
Speaker 1: Put the misery down, put the frustration down, put the
Speaker 1: anger down, put the despair down. We need to use
Speaker 1: each evening, each weekend, each moment that we have to recharge.
Speaker 1: And how do we do that. We do that solely
Speaker 1: through joy. We do that solely through rest, so that
Speaker 1: we have the ability to lower our shoulders, clear our minds,
Speaker 1: and be grateful for the small moments that pop up
Speaker 1: in our lives that allow us laughter and smiles and joy.
Speaker 1: We will not allow them to steal that because you know, today,
Speaker 1: as I was walking around my neighborhood, I said to myself,
Speaker 1: because I have sometimes deep reflections, which is why I
Speaker 1: go on my walks and encourage folks to do the same,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about my enslaved ancestors as I often do.
Speaker 1: As I often do, and I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: fact that living in such a day to day horror
Speaker 1: where they had no control over their bodies, over their lives,
Speaker 1: over anything. And I'm going to choke up because I'm trying, friends,
Speaker 1: to get to a place where I can continue to
Speaker 1: move through that even in living in such trauma and terror,
Speaker 1: they create a tradition. They created songs, They jumped the
Speaker 1: broom to symbolize their love and commitment to one another,
Speaker 1: because marriages were denied, that they still sold and hummed
Speaker 1: and found in the pocket of the misery that white
Speaker 1: supremacy would wrap around them. That even in that despair
Speaker 1: of literally not knowing from one moment to the next
Speaker 1: whether you would be sold, whether you would be hung,
Speaker 1: whether you would be raped, whether you would be tortured
Speaker 1: or beaten for somebody else us as joy and pleasure
Speaker 1: and satisfaction, that even in that they were able to
Speaker 1: keep pressing on and able to find moments of celebration
Speaker 1: and joy. And if they were able to do that,
Speaker 1: then so can we. Coming up next, my conversation with
Speaker 1: Noreen Farrell, the executive director of Equal Right Advocacy. Folks,
Speaker 1: I am very excited to welcome to Woke f Daily,
Speaker 1: the executive director of Equal Right Advocates Noreen Farrell, who
Speaker 1: you are a leading voice for gender justice. You have
Speaker 1: argued before the Supreme Court led campaigns for the betterment
Speaker 1: of the lives of women and girls. Um, before we
Speaker 1: jump in, I just want to get your emotion you're
Speaker 1: feeling when you were made aware of the Scotus Politico
Speaker 1: leak that we saw, and how it how it hit
Speaker 1: you like a punch in the gut. I don't think
Speaker 1: that what's going to happen to Robie Wade was the surprise.
Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, the leak is the media's make
Speaker 1: a munch of it. But for me, it was the
Speaker 1: It was the vitriol and the tone and the reasoning
Speaker 1: of the decision that really focused for me that these
Speaker 1: conservative justices must believe that they have the weight of
Speaker 1: the country behind them and they are fair in their power,
Speaker 1: as you know, five individuals to change the course of
Speaker 1: not just a single woman's lives, but like the entire
Speaker 1: progress of the women's movement. And I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was devastated and then furious, like much of a
Speaker 1: much of the country. You know, Noreene, I am a
Speaker 1: black queer woman, right, and I have spent a large
Speaker 1: majority of my career in movement politics, whether it is
Speaker 1: LGBTQ politics, racial justice. When the women's movement is actually
Speaker 1: where I started my career, many many moons ago. I
Speaker 1: have never in my life been as fearful for the
Speaker 1: future of this country as I am right now. And
Speaker 1: when I have talked to over the past couple of days,
Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks, with people who have
Speaker 1: invested their entire lives to bending this arc towards justice,
Speaker 1: to perfecting our incredibly imperfect union. I always felt that
Speaker 1: each generation had their job to continue to move the
Speaker 1: boulder up the hill. But this is the first time
Speaker 1: that we are taking I mean incredible stuff like the
Speaker 1: boulder is not only rolled down, but it has flattened
Speaker 1: many of us. And so what do you see as
Speaker 1: a response to this reality? Like, are we even in
Speaker 1: response mode? Because to your point, we knew that this
Speaker 1: was coming from the six to three court, I just
Speaker 1: don't think we knew how egregious it was going to be. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I just want to thank you so
Speaker 1: much for so many years of your own great activism,
Speaker 1: and when you just said just this intersection of gender, racial,
Speaker 1: LGBT justice all, like, I think that the I think
Speaker 1: that the decision made clear it's an agenda assaulting all
Speaker 1: of those Yep, justice Alito is relying on the Court's
Speaker 1: turntive course in Brown versus Board of Education, which abolish
Speaker 1: segregation in this country, to justify this rollback of a
Speaker 1: constitutional rights. He even though he says this doesn't implicate
Speaker 1: any other case, we should not believe him. There is
Speaker 1: a whole line of LGBT rights cases that are implicated
Speaker 1: by the right of privacy mentioned in this case that
Speaker 1: are under threat. And so I hope as we get
Speaker 1: through this initial week of complete paralysis, is that we
Speaker 1: think about how do we build power in our intersectional
Speaker 1: movements to really see this decision for what it is.
Speaker 1: Abortion access bands is enough, but it is also all
Speaker 1: of those other things. It's the entire history of our
Speaker 1: progress together. And I am heartened by the conversations about
Speaker 1: matching the import of this decision with the energy, the fury,
Speaker 1: the voting that it deserves. So it you know, it
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. But I'm trying to channel that power.
Speaker 1: You know, I wonder where do you think, Because I'm
Speaker 1: going to be honest, Democrats made a huge miscalculation, right
Speaker 1: I wrote about this, you know, in the Daily Beast
Speaker 1: that I believe that we could have in this moment
Speaker 1: had remained a five to four court, you know, with
Speaker 1: a semblance of hope, had the Democrats not foregone the courts.
Speaker 1: So I want to get your opinion on first the
Speaker 1: fact that and again I respect her, I respect the
Speaker 1: work that she's done. But when the late Justice Ruth
Speaker 1: Vader Ginsburg was asked to consider retirement in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: when Democrats still held the majority in the Senate at
Speaker 1: the age of eighty, she said no, Barack Obama at
Speaker 1: that time could have appointed someone in her image that
Speaker 1: was literally half her age. Then you had the second misstep,
Speaker 1: which was no pushback whatsoever to Mitch McConnell in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen when he held the Supreme Court seat hostage that
Speaker 1: should have been given to Merritt Garland. No pushback, no
Speaker 1: court case, no campaign, no nothing. As if again the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court, you get multiple bites at that apple, and
Speaker 1: so we'll get them next time. What do you think
Speaker 1: about those two very grave miscalculations and where we are
Speaker 1: right now? Well, listen, I am somebody in our organization.
Speaker 1: We litigate in the courts, and I remember being before
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court in a race and general discrimination case
Speaker 1: against walmart on behalf of a woman who was a
Speaker 1: Walmart reader in Pittsburgh, California, Betty Dukes, and a whole
Speaker 1: class of women. And I just remember looking at that court.
Speaker 1: You know, It's something about being in there and seeing
Speaker 1: that lineup, And I would have thought that this was
Speaker 1: strategy number one, because it's not only at the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: but our federal courts. There was just a complete lack
Speaker 1: of action. And now in my federal court area in California,
Speaker 1: which was always a stall wart of progressive cases, we
Speaker 1: are seeing that tide turn as well and making bad
Speaker 1: appellate court decisions. I fundamentally think that people in Washington,
Speaker 1: first of all, they ask these questions, will you reverse
Speaker 1: Rob Wade? And they believe them. I think that there
Speaker 1: is I think there is this white elitist privilege that
Speaker 1: makes you feel like everyone's going to do the right
Speaker 1: thing once they're given a lifetime appointment to a court.
Speaker 1: And now the rooster has come home to roost, because
Speaker 1: the agenda is not about upholding Supreme Court precedent. It
Speaker 1: is about dismantling it to the for the intention of
Speaker 1: further marginalizing people and their economic power. And so I
Speaker 1: just think it is the I think it is the
Speaker 1: blind spot of our major political powers and just a
Speaker 1: lack of connection to what the power of the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court can do and what I mean. I think Justice
Speaker 1: Justice Roberts is all offended about the decorum of the leak.
Speaker 1: Everyone's thinking about the chorum of the leak and the
Speaker 1: decorum of the court. The court has no credibility right now.
Speaker 1: That should be the last of your worries. And I
Speaker 1: think that I think that is that is reflected not
Speaker 1: just in this decision, but in the way our political
Speaker 1: parties have approached this process and approached its role on
Speaker 1: the Senate Judiciary Committee, and approached running campaigns to get
Speaker 1: people on that Senate Judiciary Committee. You know, I think
Speaker 1: this idea that our courts are going to be the
Speaker 1: front lines of our civil rights that is dead. And
Speaker 1: this ninety eight page to Senate decision, God help me,
Speaker 1: I read every page. It is a manifesto on why
Speaker 1: that is so. I think you're absolutely right. Look, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Justice Ginsburg, you know individual, you know individual,
Speaker 1: you know, nominations like they build. But it is this,
Speaker 1: it is based in this um is fear of rocking
Speaker 1: the wrong boat at the wrong time. I mean in
Speaker 1: President Biden's State of the Union dress, he did not
Speaker 1: even say the word abortion. With this decision on the
Speaker 1: plate of the of the Supreme Court, and so this
Speaker 1: fear of um, of you know, rocking a midterm and
Speaker 1: and now they will for sure try to capitalize on
Speaker 1: this and as we should influence the midterms. But wow,
Speaker 1: couldn't we have used that bravery and that being out
Speaker 1: in front of this this issue, um earlier, um. And
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the right word, Lauren. Bravery. Bravery, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I feel like the Democratic Party is lacking in
Speaker 1: so many different ways. But you know, you as a
Speaker 1: person of the Court, as a person that believes I'm
Speaker 1: assuming in the in the value and the fabric of
Speaker 1: the Constitution. If we can no longer or hold this
Speaker 1: up as our living breathing document, if as Justice Alito
Speaker 1: signaled in what you rightfully call his manifesto, that the
Speaker 1: Constitution is not a living breathing document as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, it is marble. It is a statue. Right
Speaker 1: because he is saying things about our foundational our foundational rights.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, well, when the Constitution was created, I
Speaker 1: wasn't considered a person right, I was consider three fifths
Speaker 1: of that You, as a white woman, were not considered
Speaker 1: a part of that constitution. You did not have the
Speaker 1: right to vote, right, And we're seen as a property
Speaker 1: thereof your husband or your father. So if this is,
Speaker 1: if this is his understanding right of the constitution and
Speaker 1: how it works, where do you see the legal maneuvers
Speaker 1: that we have always relied on for the past sixty
Speaker 1: years to get us to the point that we're in.
Speaker 1: Because I'm going back from row Brown angle vivitally like
Speaker 1: I'm going to all of these places right Oberfell windsor
Speaker 1: every single one of them. So what legal recourts do
Speaker 1: we have if now Republicans and Conservatives own the court
Speaker 1: and they have literally told us in a ninety eight
Speaker 1: page document what's coming next? You know, I look at
Speaker 1: that from two angles, one as somebody. For example, right now,
Speaker 1: we have a sub minimum wage for tipped and other
Speaker 1: workers that is a complete vestige of slavery, where where
Speaker 1: we decided we weren't going to pay you know, black
Speaker 1: people wages, we'd give them tips when we felt like it.
Speaker 1: That continues today. It is the federal law that states
Speaker 1: can pay as little as two dollars and thirteen cents
Speaker 1: an hour for tip workers. And we've been thinking about,
Speaker 1: all right, well, how do we challenge that constitutionally? You know,
Speaker 1: how do we say that this has a disparate impact
Speaker 1: on people of color, on immigrants and women workers. We
Speaker 1: can't find, you know, we were relying on these long
Speaker 1: standard traditions of interpreting the Constitution, which does not, in
Speaker 1: its expressed language, you know, prohibit sex discrimination. We're we're
Speaker 1: relying on these precedents to think about how do we
Speaker 1: challenge unconstitutional laws that is that is under such threat
Speaker 1: right now. And second, I think the thought was, and
Speaker 1: you know, this is what a lot of the power
Speaker 1: is behind, you know, finally passing the Equal Rights Amendment,
Speaker 1: so we can put our rights on the high shelf,
Speaker 1: out of the hands of the grubby legislators across the country.
Speaker 1: But even that, even that theory is now threatened because
Speaker 1: the Constitution can be reinterpreted and ambassadized in such a way,
Speaker 1: you know, by the court in a case like this,
Speaker 1: and so we can't we can't rely on this precedent
Speaker 1: to challenge on you on constitutional laws. But we can't
Speaker 1: even rely on passing new amendments that will protect our rights.
Speaker 1: And so I just think we need a radical reimagining
Speaker 1: of our strategies and and and how we build power
Speaker 1: in this country because I think the only thing that
Speaker 1: has mattered more than rob weighed in the law about
Speaker 1: abortion access has been economic privilege, right. I mean, even
Speaker 1: though rover Way was passed, the High Amendment assured that
Speaker 1: poor women and black women and other women who can't
Speaker 1: afford that abortion don't. So we haven't had abortion access
Speaker 1: for a good part of the country in a long time.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think we have to um
Speaker 1: challenge ourselves. You know, I think I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are sitting in the legal space right now thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: oh no, we need to reimagine these strategies in a
Speaker 1: very radical way. That's the challenge, because if you can't
Speaker 1: rely on laws to protect you, you can't rely on
Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court to defend those laws, and
Speaker 1: then you can't rely on the Constitution as a way
Speaker 1: to keep them out of the hands of legislators. What
Speaker 1: you know, what do you have on our legal system?
Speaker 1: And it is going to be is the challenge of
Speaker 1: our times that has been hopefully energized by what we
Speaker 1: saw this week, what will be the mantle the cause
Speaker 1: that your organization Equal Right Advocates takes up? Like, what
Speaker 1: if we are reimagining because I believe that dismantif esto
Speaker 1: by Alito was a sex was essentially a declaration of war.
Speaker 1: That's what that's that's how I see it. This was
Speaker 1: a declaration of war against women, against people of color,
Speaker 1: against queer people, against immigrants, um, against you know, people
Speaker 1: who pray differently. What then, how? How? What? What do
Speaker 1: we imagine as a new strategy. Well, I think that
Speaker 1: there's obviously immediate, short term, short term, long term, you know,
Speaker 1: over the next decade term. Um. I think in the immediate,
Speaker 1: I've I've I've had some people nay say this on me,
Speaker 1: But I feel like we've got this leaked decision. Can
Speaker 1: we use this six weeks to say, get those privacy
Speaker 1: references out of this decision right, try to claw back
Speaker 1: the scope so that we're not looking at a basis
Speaker 1: that then opens up all these other use these other rights. Now.
Speaker 1: Can can we do it? I don't know, but by God,
Speaker 1: let's get up there and and and shout from the
Speaker 1: rooftops to try. Um. I think that we unfortunately and
Speaker 1: my organization, Ego Rights Advocates, we've been doing this. We
Speaker 1: have essentially just been abandoning Congress for some years now,
Speaker 1: just sort of waiting, waiting for them to catch up
Speaker 1: and whatever, get it. And we have been working at
Speaker 1: on the states and it's it is an exercise of
Speaker 1: both hope and frustration. But clearly we're going to have
Speaker 1: to get back to the states. Yesterday or two days ago,
Speaker 1: Government Newsome announced a constitutional amendment making sure that it
Speaker 1: shows up in our state constitutions. So there's going to
Speaker 1: be a state by state strategy as much as we can.
Speaker 1: But let's remember thirteen states had trigger pocisions visions in
Speaker 1: their anti abortion laws. Twenty six I think we're up
Speaker 1: to have you know, they're either in or ready to go.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about you know, over half the country. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, we have some hope if we can change
Speaker 1: the change the composition of the Senate. You know, Congresswoman
Speaker 1: Barbara Lee has had you know, an amazing bill that
Speaker 1: got through the House of Representatives protecting abortion access. So
Speaker 1: galvanizing ourselves for the elections. UM, we are curious about
Speaker 1: the engagement of corporate America on some of these issues. Uh,
Speaker 1: your folks, your folks should check out this site called
Speaker 1: Don't Fan Equality, where they're gathering not just corporations that
Speaker 1: are saying, oh, we're going to make sure we give
Speaker 1: you contraception, but we are actually taking a policy decision
Speaker 1: on these anti abortion fans. We will not set up
Speaker 1: shot shop in those states. We will, you know, put
Speaker 1: our money where our mouth is in terms of state
Speaker 1: and federal policy or reform on this um. I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting they've been very quiet this week, which isn't surprising.
Speaker 1: I don't think most corporations would be blasting a draft,
Speaker 1: you know, Supreme Court decision. But I think I think
Speaker 1: when you think about the unfortunate disproportionate power of corporate
Speaker 1: America on politics and elections, you can't rule them out
Speaker 1: as a player and a potentially powerful unlikely ally and
Speaker 1: some of this, but ultimately the long term, we've got
Speaker 1: we've got a we've got forty eight voter suppression laws
Speaker 1: in states across the country. You know, we need to
Speaker 1: be building back our voter power. By the way, given
Speaker 1: the green light by the Supreme Court in their shadow docket,
Speaker 1: ye and yep, And so we need to be really
Speaker 1: focused on voting rights, and for us, we also need
Speaker 1: to be talking about the context in which these abortion
Speaker 1: bands happen, and that is in a country without universal
Speaker 1: pay leave or childcare. You know, the highest black woman
Speaker 1: mortality rate, you know during pregnancies, um, you know, income inequality,
Speaker 1: you know, all of the things that make the economic
Speaker 1: context of this more dire. And also be focusing on
Speaker 1: building up that economic power right and building up the
Speaker 1: wealth of women, queer, black, BIPOC people who so they
Speaker 1: can build influence and and really you know, change the
Speaker 1: long game of this. And you know, we've got to
Speaker 1: have our hands on all of those strategies right now.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this last question to um, what
Speaker 1: do you think all things continue on the course you're
Speaker 1: not able to clawback the privacy nods that were made
Speaker 1: in Alito's decision. What do you think that the timeline
Speaker 1: is for a case for against Oberfell, against loving against
Speaker 1: you know, what do you like because all of these things,
Speaker 1: I mean Griswold like, there are there are so many,
Speaker 1: and we're already seeing Tennessee trying to rewrite their state
Speaker 1: constitution so that one they clearly want child brides down
Speaker 1: there but also to ensure that same sex couples cannot marry,
Speaker 1: and knowing that there will be multiple challenges to that
Speaker 1: with the hopes because the goal is to make it
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court to overturn it. Um nationally, what
Speaker 1: is the timeline you think? I think the timeline is
Speaker 1: the next ninety days. You know, you know, after Rob
Speaker 1: Wade came down, the Christian Right started immediately and they
Speaker 1: were incredibly effective at limiting access you know, high to men, etc.
Speaker 1: So you know, I think that there's a there's a
Speaker 1: there's a political sculation of how much the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: will stand too soon, But it'll take several years for
Speaker 1: those cases to start to make their way through state courts.
Speaker 1: And so even if they start in the next six months, um,
Speaker 1: you know, they can imagine that they're going to be
Speaker 1: giving the Supreme gorda a little past break on them
Speaker 1: and that they'll reach them in several years. But I
Speaker 1: I don't think it is an overstatement to say that
Speaker 1: this this this continued calculation to deprive people in this
Speaker 1: country of their humanity and their autonomy and their right
Speaker 1: to thrive. Um will I mean they wind is at
Speaker 1: their back, and um we are readying for these these
Speaker 1: legal challenges. But also it's um it's the sanction by
Speaker 1: a Supreme Court for violence against women circling clinics that
Speaker 1: not just provide a portion, but give conscious steps about
Speaker 1: give give kids, notice, give sexually abused you know, young women,
Speaker 1: connections to other supports. So you know it is it
Speaker 1: is also that that is going to start immediately, and
Speaker 1: is the broader impacts not to mention right one and
Speaker 1: four working women will have an abortion some point in
Speaker 1: their lives, and you know, the autonomy that you have
Speaker 1: to take a job and progress and make decide weather
Speaker 1: and if to have children. All of those things have
Speaker 1: very profound I think implications in the next several years
Speaker 1: about the participation of women in the workplace. So I
Speaker 1: think we should, you know, we should be ready for
Speaker 1: those those awful constitutional cases for coming after all sorts
Speaker 1: of reproductive healthcare and then just the broader economic rights
Speaker 1: and human rights of the communities that we all serve.
Speaker 1: Oh God, Marian, well, look this is I think. I think,
Speaker 1: I think we need to be real. But I think
Speaker 1: that helps energize I hope, I hope it helps energize money.
Speaker 1: I hope it starts energizing people to run for office.
Speaker 1: I hope it starts energizing people to you know, get
Speaker 1: themselves out of the poll if they're not other otherwise
Speaker 1: redistrict or suppressed. You know. I think it is a
Speaker 1: siren call, as you know, as we've seen in the
Speaker 1: past several years with black lives and so many and
Speaker 1: so many important issues that, UM, this is the reality
Speaker 1: when you don't, when you lay down and you just
Speaker 1: put your head in the sand and you don't. But
Speaker 1: it isn't doesn't have to be the reality if you
Speaker 1: don't do that. And that's and that's why this podcast,
Speaker 1: your continued calls to action I think are really empowering. UM.
Speaker 1: And just let's just be really be realistic, be real
Speaker 1: and then let's just let's just go after it. If
Speaker 1: people who are listening today want to get involved with
Speaker 1: your organization and others, can you tell them what what
Speaker 1: they can do to feel less hopeless and less powerless,
Speaker 1: UM and and be associated with your great work. UM. Absolutely, UM.
Speaker 1: Anybody could go to our website which is www dot
Speaker 1: equal rights dot org. We have a community action team,
Speaker 1: and look, we don't do all the things, but we UM,
Speaker 1: we will connect people to those that are doing it best. Um.
Speaker 1: We have you know, five hundred plus partners who are
Speaker 1: experts in their different spaces, and we want money to
Speaker 1: support to go to the right organizations for the right things.
Speaker 1: But if you connect with us there you can follow
Speaker 1: our actions or community actions which are always accompanied by
Speaker 1: who's leading them and um, and you know, just just
Speaker 1: stay connected. We have a lot of campaigns that give
Speaker 1: people voice and we'd love to have more people involved
Speaker 1: Green for All. Thank you so much for your work,
Speaker 1: for your time. UM, I really do hope that we
Speaker 1: can stay in touch and that you will come back
Speaker 1: to wok a F too to keep us up to
Speaker 1: date with what is happening and kind of work us
Speaker 1: through that legal ease. Yeah, that makes sense of this nonsense.
Speaker 1: We're going to set some big goals and we'll keep
Speaker 1: on coming back together and check on them. So I
Speaker 1: would love that. Thank you for having me appreciate you.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on this
Speaker 1: will gay F. That is it for me this goddamn week.
Speaker 1: I wish you all a RESTful, joyous weekend. For those
Speaker 1: of you who are mothers, I wish you a happy
Speaker 1: Mother's Day. For those of you who have done mothering
Speaker 1: without giving birth to your own children, and regardless of
Speaker 1: your gender or identity, I wish you a beautiful celebratory weekend.
Speaker 1: For those of you that have lost your mothers are
Speaker 1: never had ones that you would have celebrated anyway, I
Speaker 1: wish you peace and light as always, dear friends. Power
Speaker 1: to the people and to all the people. Power, get
Speaker 1: woke and stay woke as fuck.