1 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA f Daily with 2 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: What a fucking week it has been. Let's just start there. 4 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: You know on Tuesday night, right, when was it Tuesday night? No, 5 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: it was Monday night. I don't even know anymore. But 6 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: when the news broke, when political broke news of Alito's 7 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: decision to overturn a fifty year old, constitutionally recognized right 8 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: for a woman and people who are pregnant to have 9 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: an abortion, it sent shockwaves through the country, through our 10 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: legal system, through our government, through our hearts. Because what 11 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: I have come to really understand about this iteration of 12 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: the Republican white supremacist cult is that they are held 13 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: bent on not only their supremacy right through minority rule, 14 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: which they are instituting and using the courts to apply 15 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: their will to the American people who largely disagree with 16 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: their policies, largely disagree with their ideology, and so in 17 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: order for them to be able to impose right their 18 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: theocratic authoritarian ideas is to own the courts, is to 19 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: place people in lifetime positions and appointments who uphold their 20 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: white evangelical Christian fundamentalist values, and I realized that the 21 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: goal is pain, the goal is suffering for anyone that 22 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: does not adhere to their archaic, misogynistic, patriarchal goals, that 23 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: if you are not, if you do not submit right 24 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: to their will, you will be in danger. My upcoming 25 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: guest on today's show, Noreene Farrell, is the executive director 26 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: at Equal Rights Advocates, a group that was started in 27 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four with essentially mirroring the time that Rovie 28 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Wade would become law, to uphold and create opportunities for 29 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: the expansion of gender equity for women and girls in 30 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: both schools and at work. They believe and advocate for 31 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: a culture and a society that allows women and girls 32 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: to work and attend school free from misogyny, patriarchy, violence, 33 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: and harm. Imagine that, Imagine that this freition nation that 34 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: we live in, that we require there to be organizations 35 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: and institutions that are put in place to watch out 36 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: for the Trumps and the Alitos and the Cavanaughs of 37 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: the world, because their goal has always been to do 38 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: as much harm as possible and then couch it in 39 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: our legal system and to say that their desire for erasure, 40 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: for control, for supremacy is legally backed. So how dare 41 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: we right to make us seem as if we are 42 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: as Marjorie Taylor Green has said, the bawn of Satan right? 43 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: And what do you do? What have you seen throughout 44 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: history when people like the Marjorie Taylor Greens and the Trumps, 45 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: and the Elitos and the Thomases and the Gorseches and 46 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: the Barrets of the world point fingers at you and 47 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: say that you are evil. We've seen people lynched, We've 48 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: seen people burned at the stake. We've seen entire libraries 49 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: burned down. We've seen church churches bombed. We've seen gay people, 50 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: queer people beaten to death, murdered, stuffed into garbage pails. 51 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: This is the world that white supremacy and white evangelical 52 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: christiandom creates and has created. Is their history. They were 53 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: burning crosses on the lawns of black people in this country. 54 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: They burned the their own cross that they swear to 55 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: pray to and uphold to. What the fuck does that 56 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 1: say about who they are? So when folks right now 57 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: on social media they want to say that Oh, this 58 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: is gonna be it. That abortion somehow is the end 59 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: of their crusade. I'm like, wake the fuck up, this 60 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: is just the beginning. And my guest, Noreene Farrell, the 61 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: executive director of Equal Rights Advocates, will say she will 62 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: refer to what the ninety eight page opinion reads as 63 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: a manifesto of white evangelical Christendom, and that if we 64 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: are going to live in a society where precedent no 65 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: longer matters, where laws no longer matter, where the will 66 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: of five people can be imposed on a nation of 67 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million plus, where do you think 68 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: that this is headed. It's only headed in one direction, 69 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: and that is revolution. But it's whether or not the 70 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: people are going to have the will right to rise up. 71 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: Because our representative, somebody had sent me, and I think 72 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: it was one of one of my faithful listeners sent 73 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: me an image of Joe Biden all smiles, with Joe Mansion, 74 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: Kirsten Cinema, Susan Collins, and I forget who else was 75 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: in the picture. I think, Kyle, it was you that 76 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: sent it to me. And I looked at this photograph 77 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: and I said to myself, as my mother has been 78 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: asking me, are they all in cahoots? Are they all 79 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: laughing at us? We really think that Democrats are on 80 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: our side, and come to find out that many of 81 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: them have no desire to codify Roe v. Wade into law. 82 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 1: They have no desire to turn over the filibuster in 83 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: order to preserve civil rights, equal rights, and protection in 84 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: this country. So if the people within your own tent 85 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: don't share the same values and belief that you do, 86 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: then why are we voting for them? The enemy of 87 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: my enemy is not my friend, right and when in 88 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: fact our friends don't even signal that they understand who 89 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: the fuck the enemy is, that doesn't sit well either. 90 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: My mother said this also, and again I've been thinking 91 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: about it, she said, Danielle, you know, I don't mean 92 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: to sound like a conspiracy theorist. And I said, you're 93 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: coming to the right place, she goes. But don't you 94 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: think that it's just so interesting that they would leak 95 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: this statement now, that they would leak this opinion. Now 96 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: do you think that Republicans are up to something even 97 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: worse than this? That they just launched this into the 98 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: sphere to provide like the ultimate distraction? And I said, Mom, 99 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: You're right. Their whole lives are about distraction, right. It's like, 100 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: look at this thing over here. Oh my god. The 101 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: biggest issue is the leak. It's not the content of 102 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: the opinion. It's not the fact that Justice Alito has 103 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: signaled to the country that privacy laws are not foundational 104 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: to the Constitute tuition and that these kind of you know, 105 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: rights that we have won over the past six decades, 106 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, we're just a mere suggestion, and that everything 107 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: is on the chopping block. Justice Alito, apparently, according to 108 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: social media, has canceled his public appearances. And I'm like, 109 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: why stand by your bullshit? Why would you cancel a 110 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: public appearance because you what you think You're not going 111 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: to walk into applause from your Christian fandom. Or is 112 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: it that you think that maybe, just maybe you may 113 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: have overreached, that maybe just maybe you may have overplayed 114 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: your hand. You got Susan Collins saying, oh my god, 115 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Gorsich and Barrett and Kavanaugh, they lied to me. No, 116 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: you lie to yourself, because that's how you are able 117 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: to sleep at night. You lie to yourself about who 118 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: you are and what you stand for. And it's pooh pooh, 119 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: boo boo. The fool is all of us who believe 120 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: that Murkowski and Collins are somehow what two moderate Republicans. 121 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: They are nothing more than the Republican handmaids, right, the 122 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: mistresses in the big house that stand there and clutch 123 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: their pearls while they watch Massa in the field, beating, whipping, raping. Right. 124 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, but he said that he would be 125 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: nice to them. Those are the Susan Collinses and the 126 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowskis of the world. Fuck you is what I 127 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: say to them. Is what I say to our moderate 128 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: Democrats who still get to hold the title of moderate 129 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: when there is nothing moderate about the rollback of our 130 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: rights and the threat of violence that now is hanging 131 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: over all of our heads who are not white, sith, 132 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: straight and Christian. I say, fuck you Joe Manchin, fuck 133 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: you Kirsten Cinema and these fucking lackluster, backless, spineless Democrats. Oh, 134 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna fight, fight, fight what from the comfort of 135 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: your million dollar homes, multimillion dollar homes, From the comfort 136 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: of your ivory tower that you get to sit in, 137 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: while the rest of us will have to deal with 138 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: the muck that you are turning this country into because 139 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: you have a lack of will, a lack of conviction, 140 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: a lack of strategy, and a lack of vision. We 141 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: are here because of a lack of courage on the 142 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: part of Democrats. We are here because we elected Joe 143 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: Biden and felt that his moderation and temper temperament was 144 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: what this country needed. And I will tell you and 145 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: you all know, he wasn't my first or fifth choice, 146 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: because I knew that this nation needed an actual fighter, 147 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: needed somebody who was going to call a spade a 148 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: spade and go fucking toe to toe. We're all tough 149 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: talk when it's about Putin and what's happening overseas. Republicans 150 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: are waging war in America right now, and Democrats are 151 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: looking around like, well, maybe next election will win. There 152 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: is no next election, you fucking idiots, folks. I am 153 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: angry this week. I am pained this week. I am 154 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: grieving so many things this week. Every Friday that we 155 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: get here, I say, I give thanks and gratitude that 156 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: we have arrived at the end of this week. But 157 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: my god, I'm tired, as the meme says, of living 158 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: through multiple historic events, historic catastrophes, one after the other, 159 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: after the other after the other. It is exhausting. So, friends, 160 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: after you listen to today's show and the closing of it, 161 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: put it down. Put the weight of this week down, 162 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Put the misery down, put the frustration down, put the 163 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: anger down, put the despair down. We need to use 164 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: each evening, each weekend, each moment that we have to recharge. 165 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: And how do we do that. We do that solely 166 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: through joy. We do that solely through rest, so that 167 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: we have the ability to lower our shoulders, clear our minds, 168 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: and be grateful for the small moments that pop up 169 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: in our lives that allow us laughter and smiles and joy. 170 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: We will not allow them to steal that because you know, today, 171 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: as I was walking around my neighborhood, I said to myself, 172 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: because I have sometimes deep reflections, which is why I 173 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: go on my walks and encourage folks to do the same, 174 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: I was thinking about my enslaved ancestors as I often do. 175 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: As I often do, and I was thinking about the 176 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: fact that living in such a day to day horror 177 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: where they had no control over their bodies, over their lives, 178 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: over anything. And I'm going to choke up because I'm trying, friends, 179 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: to get to a place where I can continue to 180 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: move through that even in living in such trauma and terror, 181 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: they create a tradition. They created songs, They jumped the 182 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: broom to symbolize their love and commitment to one another, 183 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: because marriages were denied, that they still sold and hummed 184 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: and found in the pocket of the misery that white 185 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: supremacy would wrap around them. That even in that despair 186 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: of literally not knowing from one moment to the next 187 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: whether you would be sold, whether you would be hung, 188 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: whether you would be raped, whether you would be tortured 189 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: or beaten for somebody else us as joy and pleasure 190 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: and satisfaction, that even in that they were able to 191 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: keep pressing on and able to find moments of celebration 192 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: and joy. And if they were able to do that, 193 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: then so can we. Coming up next, my conversation with 194 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: Noreen Farrell, the executive director of Equal Right Advocacy. Folks, 195 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: I am very excited to welcome to Woke f Daily, 196 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: the executive director of Equal Right Advocates Noreen Farrell, who 197 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: you are a leading voice for gender justice. You have 198 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: argued before the Supreme Court led campaigns for the betterment 199 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: of the lives of women and girls. Um, before we 200 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: jump in, I just want to get your emotion you're 201 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: feeling when you were made aware of the Scotus Politico 202 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: leak that we saw, and how it how it hit 203 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: you like a punch in the gut. I don't think 204 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: that what's going to happen to Robie Wade was the surprise. 205 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: And obviously, you know, the leak is the media's make 206 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: a munch of it. But for me, it was the 207 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: It was the vitriol and the tone and the reasoning 208 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: of the decision that really focused for me that these 209 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: conservative justices must believe that they have the weight of 210 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: the country behind them and they are fair in their power, 211 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: as you know, five individuals to change the course of 212 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: not just a single woman's lives, but like the entire 213 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: progress of the women's movement. And I was, you know, 214 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: I was devastated and then furious, like much of a 215 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: much of the country. You know, Noreene, I am a 216 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: black queer woman, right, and I have spent a large 217 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: majority of my career in movement politics, whether it is 218 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: LGBTQ politics, racial justice. When the women's movement is actually 219 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: where I started my career, many many moons ago. I 220 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: have never in my life been as fearful for the 221 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: future of this country as I am right now. And 222 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: when I have talked to over the past couple of days, 223 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks, with people who have 224 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: invested their entire lives to bending this arc towards justice, 225 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: to perfecting our incredibly imperfect union. I always felt that 226 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: each generation had their job to continue to move the 227 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: boulder up the hill. But this is the first time 228 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: that we are taking I mean incredible stuff like the 229 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: boulder is not only rolled down, but it has flattened 230 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: many of us. And so what do you see as 231 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: a response to this reality? Like, are we even in 232 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: response mode? Because to your point, we knew that this 233 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: was coming from the six to three court, I just 234 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: don't think we knew how egregious it was going to be. Well, 235 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: first of all, I just want to thank you so 236 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: much for so many years of your own great activism, 237 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and when you just said just this intersection of gender, racial, 238 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: LGBT justice all, like, I think that the I think 239 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: that the decision made clear it's an agenda assaulting all 240 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: of those Yep, justice Alito is relying on the Court's 241 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: turntive course in Brown versus Board of Education, which abolish 242 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: segregation in this country, to justify this rollback of a 243 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: constitutional rights. He even though he says this doesn't implicate 244 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: any other case, we should not believe him. There is 245 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: a whole line of LGBT rights cases that are implicated 246 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: by the right of privacy mentioned in this case that 247 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: are under threat. And so I hope as we get 248 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: through this initial week of complete paralysis, is that we 249 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: think about how do we build power in our intersectional 250 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: movements to really see this decision for what it is. 251 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: Abortion access bands is enough, but it is also all 252 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: of those other things. It's the entire history of our 253 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: progress together. And I am heartened by the conversations about 254 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: matching the import of this decision with the energy, the fury, 255 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: the voting that it deserves. So it you know, it 256 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: remains to be seen. But I'm trying to channel that power. 257 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: You know, I wonder where do you think, Because I'm 258 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: going to be honest, Democrats made a huge miscalculation, right 259 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: I wrote about this, you know, in the Daily Beast 260 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: that I believe that we could have in this moment 261 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: had remained a five to four court, you know, with 262 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: a semblance of hope, had the Democrats not foregone the courts. 263 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: So I want to get your opinion on first the 264 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: fact that and again I respect her, I respect the 265 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: work that she's done. But when the late Justice Ruth 266 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: Vader Ginsburg was asked to consider retirement in twenty thirteen, 267 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: when Democrats still held the majority in the Senate at 268 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: the age of eighty, she said no, Barack Obama at 269 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: that time could have appointed someone in her image that 270 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: was literally half her age. Then you had the second misstep, 271 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: which was no pushback whatsoever to Mitch McConnell in twenty 272 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: fifteen when he held the Supreme Court seat hostage that 273 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: should have been given to Merritt Garland. No pushback, no 274 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: court case, no campaign, no nothing. As if again the 275 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, you get multiple bites at that apple, and 276 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: so we'll get them next time. What do you think 277 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: about those two very grave miscalculations and where we are 278 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: right now? Well, listen, I am somebody in our organization. 279 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: We litigate in the courts, and I remember being before 280 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court in a race and general discrimination case 281 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: against walmart on behalf of a woman who was a 282 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: Walmart reader in Pittsburgh, California, Betty Dukes, and a whole 283 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: class of women. And I just remember looking at that court. 284 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, It's something about being in there and seeing 285 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: that lineup, And I would have thought that this was 286 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: strategy number one, because it's not only at the Supreme Court, 287 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: but our federal courts. There was just a complete lack 288 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: of action. And now in my federal court area in California, 289 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: which was always a stall wart of progressive cases, we 290 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: are seeing that tide turn as well and making bad 291 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: appellate court decisions. I fundamentally think that people in Washington, 292 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: first of all, they ask these questions, will you reverse 293 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: Rob Wade? And they believe them. I think that there 294 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: is I think there is this white elitist privilege that 295 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: makes you feel like everyone's going to do the right 296 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: thing once they're given a lifetime appointment to a court. 297 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: And now the rooster has come home to roost, because 298 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: the agenda is not about upholding Supreme Court precedent. It 299 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: is about dismantling it to the for the intention of 300 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: further marginalizing people and their economic power. And so I 301 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: just think it is the I think it is the 302 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: blind spot of our major political powers and just a 303 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: lack of connection to what the power of the Supreme 304 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: Court can do and what I mean. I think Justice 305 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: Justice Roberts is all offended about the decorum of the leak. 306 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: Everyone's thinking about the chorum of the leak and the 307 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: decorum of the court. The court has no credibility right now. 308 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: That should be the last of your worries. And I 309 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: think that I think that is that is reflected not 310 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: just in this decision, but in the way our political 311 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: parties have approached this process and approached its role on 312 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: the Senate Judiciary Committee, and approached running campaigns to get 313 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: people on that Senate Judiciary Committee. You know, I think 314 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: this idea that our courts are going to be the 315 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: front lines of our civil rights that is dead. And 316 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: this ninety eight page to Senate decision, God help me, 317 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I read every page. It is a manifesto on why 318 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: that is so. I think you're absolutely right. Look, yeah, 319 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, Justice Ginsburg, you know individual, you know individual, 320 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: you know, nominations like they build. But it is this, 321 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: it is based in this um is fear of rocking 322 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: the wrong boat at the wrong time. I mean in 323 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: President Biden's State of the Union dress, he did not 324 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: even say the word abortion. With this decision on the 325 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: plate of the of the Supreme Court, and so this 326 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: fear of um, of you know, rocking a midterm and 327 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: and now they will for sure try to capitalize on 328 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: this and as we should influence the midterms. But wow, 329 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: couldn't we have used that bravery and that being out 330 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: in front of this this issue, um earlier, um. And 331 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the right word, Lauren. Bravery. Bravery, yeah, 332 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: which I feel like the Democratic Party is lacking in 333 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: so many different ways. But you know, you as a 334 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: person of the Court, as a person that believes I'm 335 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 1: assuming in the in the value and the fabric of 336 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: the Constitution. If we can no longer or hold this 337 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: up as our living breathing document, if as Justice Alito 338 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: signaled in what you rightfully call his manifesto, that the 339 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: Constitution is not a living breathing document as a matter 340 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: of fact, it is marble. It is a statue. Right 341 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: because he is saying things about our foundational our foundational rights. 342 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, well, when the Constitution was created, I 343 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: wasn't considered a person right, I was consider three fifths 344 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: of that You, as a white woman, were not considered 345 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: a part of that constitution. You did not have the 346 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: right to vote, right, And we're seen as a property 347 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: thereof your husband or your father. So if this is, 348 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: if this is his understanding right of the constitution and 349 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: how it works, where do you see the legal maneuvers 350 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: that we have always relied on for the past sixty 351 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: years to get us to the point that we're in. 352 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: Because I'm going back from row Brown angle vivitally like 353 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to all of these places right Oberfell windsor 354 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: every single one of them. So what legal recourts do 355 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: we have if now Republicans and Conservatives own the court 356 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: and they have literally told us in a ninety eight 357 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: page document what's coming next? You know, I look at 358 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: that from two angles, one as somebody. For example, right now, 359 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: we have a sub minimum wage for tipped and other 360 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: workers that is a complete vestige of slavery, where where 361 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: we decided we weren't going to pay you know, black 362 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: people wages, we'd give them tips when we felt like it. 363 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: That continues today. It is the federal law that states 364 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: can pay as little as two dollars and thirteen cents 365 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: an hour for tip workers. And we've been thinking about, 366 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: all right, well, how do we challenge that constitutionally? You know, 367 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: how do we say that this has a disparate impact 368 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: on people of color, on immigrants and women workers. We 369 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: can't find, you know, we were relying on these long 370 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: standard traditions of interpreting the Constitution, which does not, in 371 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: its expressed language, you know, prohibit sex discrimination. We're we're 372 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: relying on these precedents to think about how do we 373 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: challenge unconstitutional laws that is that is under such threat 374 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: right now. And second, I think the thought was, and 375 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, this is what a lot of the power 376 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: is behind, you know, finally passing the Equal Rights Amendment, 377 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: so we can put our rights on the high shelf, 378 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: out of the hands of the grubby legislators across the country. 379 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: But even that, even that theory is now threatened because 380 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: the Constitution can be reinterpreted and ambassadized in such a way, 381 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: you know, by the court in a case like this, 382 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: and so we can't we can't rely on this precedent 383 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: to challenge on you on constitutional laws. But we can't 384 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: even rely on passing new amendments that will protect our rights. 385 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: And so I just think we need a radical reimagining 386 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: of our strategies and and and how we build power 387 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: in this country because I think the only thing that 388 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: has mattered more than rob weighed in the law about 389 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: abortion access has been economic privilege, right. I mean, even 390 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: though rover Way was passed, the High Amendment assured that 391 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: poor women and black women and other women who can't 392 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: afford that abortion don't. So we haven't had abortion access 393 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: for a good part of the country in a long time. 394 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think we have to um 395 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: challenge ourselves. You know, I think I think a lot 396 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: of people are sitting in the legal space right now thinking, oh, 397 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: oh no, we need to reimagine these strategies in a 398 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: very radical way. That's the challenge, because if you can't 399 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: rely on laws to protect you, you can't rely on 400 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: the United States Supreme Court to defend those laws, and 401 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: then you can't rely on the Constitution as a way 402 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: to keep them out of the hands of legislators. What 403 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, what do you have on our legal system? 404 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: And it is going to be is the challenge of 405 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: our times that has been hopefully energized by what we 406 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 1: saw this week, what will be the mantle the cause 407 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: that your organization Equal Right Advocates takes up? Like, what 408 00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: if we are reimagining because I believe that dismantif esto 409 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: by Alito was a sex was essentially a declaration of war. 410 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: That's what that's that's how I see it. This was 411 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: a declaration of war against women, against people of color, 412 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: against queer people, against immigrants, um, against you know, people 413 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: who pray differently. What then, how? How? What? What do 414 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: we imagine as a new strategy. Well, I think that 415 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: there's obviously immediate, short term, short term, long term, you know, 416 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: over the next decade term. Um. I think in the immediate, 417 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: I've I've I've had some people nay say this on me, 418 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: But I feel like we've got this leaked decision. Can 419 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: we use this six weeks to say, get those privacy 420 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: references out of this decision right, try to claw back 421 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: the scope so that we're not looking at a basis 422 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: that then opens up all these other use these other rights. Now. 423 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: Can can we do it? I don't know, but by God, 424 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: let's get up there and and and shout from the 425 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: rooftops to try. Um. I think that we unfortunately and 426 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: my organization, Ego Rights Advocates, we've been doing this. We 427 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: have essentially just been abandoning Congress for some years now, 428 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: just sort of waiting, waiting for them to catch up 429 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: and whatever, get it. And we have been working at 430 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: on the states and it's it is an exercise of 431 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: both hope and frustration. But clearly we're going to have 432 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: to get back to the states. Yesterday or two days ago, 433 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: Government Newsome announced a constitutional amendment making sure that it 434 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: shows up in our state constitutions. So there's going to 435 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: be a state by state strategy as much as we can. 436 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: But let's remember thirteen states had trigger pocisions visions in 437 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: their anti abortion laws. Twenty six I think we're up 438 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 1: to have you know, they're either in or ready to go. 439 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: So we're talking about you know, over half the country. UM. 440 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: You know, we have some hope if we can change 441 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: the change the composition of the Senate. You know, Congresswoman 442 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: Barbara Lee has had you know, an amazing bill that 443 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: got through the House of Representatives protecting abortion access. So 444 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: galvanizing ourselves for the elections. UM, we are curious about 445 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: the engagement of corporate America on some of these issues. Uh, 446 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: your folks, your folks should check out this site called 447 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: Don't Fan Equality, where they're gathering not just corporations that 448 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: are saying, oh, we're going to make sure we give 449 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: you contraception, but we are actually taking a policy decision 450 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: on these anti abortion fans. We will not set up 451 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: shot shop in those states. We will, you know, put 452 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: our money where our mouth is in terms of state 453 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: and federal policy or reform on this um. I think 454 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: it's interesting they've been very quiet this week, which isn't surprising. 455 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't think most corporations would be blasting a draft, 456 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, Supreme Court decision. But I think I think 457 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: when you think about the unfortunate disproportionate power of corporate 458 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: America on politics and elections, you can't rule them out 459 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: as a player and a potentially powerful unlikely ally and 460 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: some of this, but ultimately the long term, we've got 461 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: we've got a we've got forty eight voter suppression laws 462 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: in states across the country. You know, we need to 463 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: be building back our voter power. By the way, given 464 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,760 Speaker 1: the green light by the Supreme Court in their shadow docket, 465 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: ye and yep, And so we need to be really 466 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: focused on voting rights, and for us, we also need 467 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: to be talking about the context in which these abortion 468 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: bands happen, and that is in a country without universal 469 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: pay leave or childcare. You know, the highest black woman 470 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: mortality rate, you know during pregnancies, um, you know, income inequality, 471 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: you know, all of the things that make the economic 472 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: context of this more dire. And also be focusing on 473 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: building up that economic power right and building up the 474 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: wealth of women, queer, black, BIPOC people who so they 475 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: can build influence and and really you know, change the 476 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: long game of this. And you know, we've got to 477 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: have our hands on all of those strategies right now. 478 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this last question to um, what 479 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: do you think all things continue on the course you're 480 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: not able to clawback the privacy nods that were made 481 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: in Alito's decision. What do you think that the timeline 482 00:36:51,760 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: is for a case for against Oberfell, against loving against 483 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, what do you like because all of these things, 484 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean Griswold like, there are there are so many, 485 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: and we're already seeing Tennessee trying to rewrite their state 486 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: constitution so that one they clearly want child brides down 487 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: there but also to ensure that same sex couples cannot marry, 488 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: and knowing that there will be multiple challenges to that 489 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: with the hopes because the goal is to make it 490 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court to overturn it. Um nationally, what 491 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: is the timeline you think? I think the timeline is 492 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: the next ninety days. You know, you know, after Rob 493 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: Wade came down, the Christian Right started immediately and they 494 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: were incredibly effective at limiting access you know, high to men, etc. 495 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: So you know, I think that there's a there's a 496 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: there's a political sculation of how much the Supreme Court 497 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: will stand too soon, But it'll take several years for 498 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: those cases to start to make their way through state courts. 499 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: And so even if they start in the next six months, um, 500 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, they can imagine that they're going to be 501 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: giving the Supreme gorda a little past break on them 502 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: and that they'll reach them in several years. But I 503 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: I don't think it is an overstatement to say that 504 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: this this this continued calculation to deprive people in this 505 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: country of their humanity and their autonomy and their right 506 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: to thrive. Um will I mean they wind is at 507 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: their back, and um we are readying for these these 508 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: legal challenges. But also it's um it's the sanction by 509 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: a Supreme Court for violence against women circling clinics that 510 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: not just provide a portion, but give conscious steps about 511 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: give give kids, notice, give sexually abused you know, young women, 512 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: connections to other supports. So you know it is it 513 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: is also that that is going to start immediately, and 514 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: is the broader impacts not to mention right one and 515 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: four working women will have an abortion some point in 516 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: their lives, and you know, the autonomy that you have 517 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: to take a job and progress and make decide weather 518 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: and if to have children. All of those things have 519 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: very profound I think implications in the next several years 520 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: about the participation of women in the workplace. So I 521 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: think we should, you know, we should be ready for 522 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: those those awful constitutional cases for coming after all sorts 523 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: of reproductive healthcare and then just the broader economic rights 524 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: and human rights of the communities that we all serve. 525 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: Oh God, Marian, well, look this is I think. I think, 526 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: I think we need to be real. But I think 527 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: that helps energize I hope, I hope it helps energize money. 528 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: I hope it starts energizing people to run for office. 529 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: I hope it starts energizing people to you know, get 530 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: themselves out of the poll if they're not other otherwise 531 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: redistrict or suppressed. You know. I think it is a 532 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: siren call, as you know, as we've seen in the 533 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: past several years with black lives and so many and 534 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 1: so many important issues that, UM, this is the reality 535 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: when you don't, when you lay down and you just 536 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: put your head in the sand and you don't. But 537 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: it isn't doesn't have to be the reality if you 538 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: don't do that. And that's and that's why this podcast, 539 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: your continued calls to action I think are really empowering. UM. 540 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: And just let's just be really be realistic, be real 541 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: and then let's just let's just go after it. If 542 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: people who are listening today want to get involved with 543 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 1: your organization and others, can you tell them what what 544 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: they can do to feel less hopeless and less powerless, 545 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: UM and and be associated with your great work. UM. Absolutely, UM. 546 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: Anybody could go to our website which is www dot 547 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,720 Speaker 1: equal rights dot org. We have a community action team, 548 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: and look, we don't do all the things, but we UM, 549 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: we will connect people to those that are doing it best. Um. 550 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: We have you know, five hundred plus partners who are 551 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,759 Speaker 1: experts in their different spaces, and we want money to 552 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: support to go to the right organizations for the right things. 553 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: But if you connect with us there you can follow 554 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: our actions or community actions which are always accompanied by 555 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: who's leading them and um, and you know, just just 556 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: stay connected. We have a lot of campaigns that give 557 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: people voice and we'd love to have more people involved 558 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: Green for All. Thank you so much for your work, 559 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 1: for your time. UM, I really do hope that we 560 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: can stay in touch and that you will come back 561 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: to wok a F too to keep us up to 562 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: date with what is happening and kind of work us 563 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,800 Speaker 1: through that legal ease. Yeah, that makes sense of this nonsense. 564 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: We're going to set some big goals and we'll keep 565 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: on coming back together and check on them. So I 566 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: would love that. Thank you for having me appreciate you. 567 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on this 568 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: will gay F. That is it for me this goddamn week. 569 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: I wish you all a RESTful, joyous weekend. For those 570 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: of you who are mothers, I wish you a happy 571 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: Mother's Day. For those of you who have done mothering 572 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: without giving birth to your own children, and regardless of 573 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: your gender or identity, I wish you a beautiful celebratory weekend. 574 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: For those of you that have lost your mothers are 575 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: never had ones that you would have celebrated anyway, I 576 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: wish you peace and light as always, dear friends. Power 577 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: to the people and to all the people. Power, get 578 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,479 Speaker 1: woke and stay woke as fuck.