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Speaker 1: is Morocca. Thank you very very much for speaking with

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Speaker 1: me this morning. Most talk to you got one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite service. This isn't a prank call. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: on the phone with President Jimmy Carter and we're not

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Speaker 1: What what are your fondest memories of your brother? Billy?

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Speaker 1: H good human hard work. Back when Jimmy Carter was president,

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Speaker 1: his younger brother Billy wasn't just known to insiders. He

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Speaker 1: became the most famous person family, ladies and gentlemen, I

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Speaker 1: give you the first brother of America, Billy Carter. Billy,

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Speaker 1: you are a fantastic You could make a Carreon, show

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Speaker 1: business anything. Billy Carter became a bona fide celebrity. Mama

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Speaker 1: Field as small as one of the boys. You can

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Speaker 1: see Brother Billy. This brother Billy Carter is on the

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Speaker 1: cover of Newsweek magazine holding a can of his new beer,

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Speaker 1: Billy Beer. Yes he even had his own beer, which

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Speaker 1: I remember him plugging on TV. Is the best beyond

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Speaker 1: ever taste, and I've tasted a lot. As a presidential

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Speaker 1: history buff I've long been fascinated by first families and

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Speaker 1: the striking pattern of unruly presidential brothers. They go way

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Speaker 1: back to John Quincy adams brother Charles, who was described

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Speaker 1: as a madman possessed by the devil Ulysses as Grant's

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Speaker 1: brother Orville got mixed up in a kickback scheme. And

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Speaker 1: remember Roger Clinton. I have one of his CDs. Roger

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Speaker 1: became such a nuisance that his secret Service code name

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Speaker 1: was Headache. Really, but no other presidential brother made headlines

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Speaker 1: the way Billy Carter did. Billy's doing great. He's making

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Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars a year lecturing and acting, while

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter makes two hundred thousand dollars a year lecturing

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Speaker 1: and acting. It was all in good old boy fun

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Speaker 1: until the character became a caricature, getting mixed up in

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Speaker 1: a truly bizarre international scandal and adding to the woes

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Speaker 1: that would cost his brother reelection. He started out as

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Speaker 1: a national amusement. He's become a national liability. He was

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Speaker 1: trying to be who the press had tried to turn

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Speaker 1: of his family, will tell the story of the real

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Speaker 1: Billy Carter. I'm the president, brother, right, I'll play it

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Speaker 1: to the hill, to the Hill from CBS Sunday morning,

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Speaker 1: and Simon and Schuster, I'm Morocca and this is mobite

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Speaker 1: Harry's dismobid Billy Carter September death of the first Brother. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. Vice

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Speaker 1: President Ford will be sworn in as president at that hour.

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Speaker 1: In this office was the first presidential election since the

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Speaker 1: trauma of Watergate and Richard Nixon's resignation two years earlier.

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Speaker 1: Vice President Gerald Ford had taken the reins a kind

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Speaker 1: of caretaker commander in chief, best remembered for this a full,

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Speaker 1: against the United States, which he America was looking to

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Speaker 1: renew itself, so it turned to a peanut farmer from

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Speaker 1: Plains Georgia. Jimmy Carter was a man on a mission.

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Speaker 1: The future of our counch is not in my hands,

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Speaker 1: it's in your hands. And I want to elevate the

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Speaker 1: spirits of our nation. He put a friendly face on

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Speaker 1: again with him as president, even though he had been

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Speaker 1: governor of Georgia. Carter seemed to come out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: There was intense curiosity about him and his family. Every

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Speaker 1: I have to look at my own family. Look. Historians

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Speaker 1: can argue about his single term in office, but there's

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Speaker 1: Fame for sheer colorfulness. There was the matriarch, Lillian Carter,

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Speaker 1: better known as Miss Lillian. You know how today everyone

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Speaker 1: four kids were the ultimate variety pack. First came Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: the teetotaling, squeaky clean former naval officer. Then King's sister Gloria,

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Speaker 1: some big ones too. Next up was Ruth the faith healer.

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Speaker 1: What he said there is that he was the only

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Speaker 1: sure that endeared you to him, and now we want

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Speaker 1: profiled Billy back in January seven. We went to planes

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Speaker 1: often painted, just another South Georgia redneck. Billy Corner was

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Speaker 1: genuinely entertaining. Whether you liked him or not, agree with

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Speaker 1: I loved him. I liked him, and I liked his family.

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Speaker 1: I liked everything about it. What Dan found in Billy

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Speaker 1: was a man of surprising depth. But what about these

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Speaker 1: Billy seems utterly unimpressed by the network newsman who has

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Speaker 1: And not only that, but he told that God damn

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Speaker 1: But overall watching him hold court with reporters and visitors,

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Speaker 1: At the beginning. I took a poll in playing John

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Speaker 1: While voters may have respected boy scout Jimmy. They liked

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Speaker 1: good old boy Billy. Now we'll probably talk about, well,

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Speaker 1: how much of the good old boy image that Billy

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Speaker 1: our thirty ninth President. Planes is a small town in

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Speaker 1: southwest Georgia. This is Peanut Country, population seven hundred, but

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Speaker 1: during the Carter years it was inundated with thousands of

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Speaker 1: He's eighteen. He is younger than Jimmy, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: By the time of that interview, just weeks before Jimmy

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Speaker 1: He was not stupid. I can't stand that. But Jenny,

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Speaker 1: Hey that Billy Carter ought to know what a great

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Speaker 1: had a pretty great tag line. It's the best beyond

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00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: the taste, and I've tasted a lot. The white, blue,

428
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: and orange cans have become something of a collector's item.

429
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: Just to ask Homer Simpson, we elected the wrong Carter.

430
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: Since Billy had become synonymous with beer drinking, it seemed

431
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: only natural to pair the two. Falls City Beer, based

432
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: in Louisville, convinced Billy to lend his name to his

433
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: own personally selected specialty brew God Awful Stuff. Dan rather

434
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: remembers Billy Beer terrible ston. I have very vivid membership

435
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: trying to get down that Billy beer. He wasn't a fan.

436
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: He tried to get the dogs to drink it. That

437
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: told you told me something when the dogs wouldn't drink it.

438
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: Billy himself later admitted that it was the worst stuff

439
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 1: he'd ever tasted, and that you had to be an

440
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: alcoholic to drink it. By this time, beer wasn't even

441
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: his drink of choice. He moved on to vodka and whiskey.

442
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: The beer venture was short lived. Sales flatlined, the brewery

443
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: went bust, and Billy's reputation began to sour. He went

444
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: from being you know, the funny, you know, down to earth,

445
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: blue collar brother to the president, to be in some

446
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: kind of villain, and Billy became more than a mere

447
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: nuisance for Jimmy. More on that in a minute, but

448
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: first an installment of black Sheep brother trivia. Sibling scandals

449
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: seemed to come with the territory of being president, especially

450
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: when money comes into play. Meet Donald Nixon, younger brother

451
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: to Richard Nixon. Back in the fifties, he had a

452
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: chain of restaurants featuring a Nixon Burger. During Richard Nixon's

453
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty run for the White House. An unsavory loan

454
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: that Donald had received from billionaire Howard Hughes came to light.

455
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: Nixon lost the election. When Richard Nixon finally made it

456
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: to the White House, his little brother was still at it.

457
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Just listen to Don try to pitch the president on

458
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: a new water filtration project breakthrough that this man I

459
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: happen to be to go one of them the foundest fellows.

460
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: One fellow is a big supporting Murphy, a wealthy fellow.

461
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: To me, it's less about what Don is saying and

462
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: more about the President's tents. Uhuhuh oh. When it turns

463
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: out the President not only tried tapping the d n

464
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: C headquarters at the Watergate complex, he was also surveilling

465
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: his own brother. The surveillance involved not what he was

466
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: to it. The surveillance involved what others who were trying

467
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to get him, perhaps to use improper influence and so forth,

468
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: might be doing, and particularly anybody who might be forward country.

469
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: As for Billy Carter, he did come under foreign influence.

470
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Billy Carter and the Libyans Libya. It turned out they

471
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: both needed each other and may have tried to use

472
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: each other, the Libyans to open the door to America

473
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Billy to get back on his feet financially. This was

474
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: a scandal which came to be known as Billy Gate

475
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and involved Billy Carter's questionable dealings with the government to Libya,

476
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: which was looking for friends in high places. Among other things,

477
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to get their hands on some C one

478
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: thirty transport plane. Here it is in a peanut shell.

479
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: After he was introduced to some Libyan officials in the US,

480
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Billy was invited over to Libya in the fall of night.

481
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: I thought he was crazy, franctly, I thought he was crazy.

482
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: What did he say he was going to do? Well?

483
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: He did? He just didn't know, you know, they wanted

484
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: his help. Georgia, Belly Carter, the President's brother, is being

485
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: host to an unofficial goodwill delegation of businessmen from Libya,

486
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: a nation with whom diplomatic relations have been strained. And

487
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: then the Libyans came to planes. Which sounds like the

488
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: title of a movie or a book. Yeah, the Libyans

489
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: arrived in Georgia all under the auspices of friendship. Their

490
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: visits started with a shall we say, unfortunate leak to

491
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the press. There's this huge story. I don't know if

492
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: he ever read it about He's waiting for a plane

493
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: somewhere and drink a lot of beer and he takes

494
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: a leak on the harmac on the turn back. Everybody

495
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: in South George's peat outside at one time or another,

496
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and Billy stepped out of the car and

497
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: relieves himself against the side of a building. That's our

498
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: president's brother. That's the way you find Billy's house and planes.

499
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: You just follow the yellow brick roads, right. Irresistible material

500
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: for Johnny Carson. Saturday Night Live had some fun with

501
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: it too, playing Billy Gary busey uh uh if I

502
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: if I uh embarrass you for something I said, uh

503
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: or someplace that used I want to apologize. But Billy

504
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: was spouting off in more controversial ways, making comments some

505
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: viewed as anti Semitic to defend his dealings with the Libyans.

506
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,239
Speaker 1: When you say there a hell of a lot more

507
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Arabs and Jews and you're in expressing your feelings, what

508
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: did you mean? I mean Harmonion, the Raven Nation and

509
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: three million Jews pros and Carter told NBC News today

510
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: that he loves his brother Billy, but hopes the American

511
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: people understand he cannot control what Billy Carter says and

512
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: that it would be counter productive to try. By this point,

513
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: Billy became persona on Grotta on the speaking circuit, and

514
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: his income soon dried up. So why not make a

515
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: return trip to Libya? So he said, Honey, I'm going

516
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: to Libya. We're going. When you went with it, and

517
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: what was it like, Well, you get off the plane

518
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: and there are people walking up and down military with oozies,

519
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: And that was my first clue as to I think

520
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: I need to go back to planes. How is the food? Ah,

521
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: the food was when I got to the point where

522
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: I saw two eyeballs on the plate, I said, no,

523
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: I'm just not very hungry today. Sybil may not have

524
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: picked up any recipes, but Billy did come away with

525
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: a two d dollar loan. Maybe not illegal, but definitely

526
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: not a good look for the White House. In August,

527
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: believe made the covers of both Newsweek and Time. President

528
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Carter remembers the news being kind of turned on Billy.

529
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: He had been there, darling, and he became kind of

530
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: a arial right. Well, when when, as you say, when

531
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: the when the press turned on him, that must have

532
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: been very painful for you. Well, it was because I've

533
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: been a lot of my time he were defending Billy

534
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: to the press instead of instead of explaining my foreign

535
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: policy and the best policies to the news media. This

536
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: is a CBS News special report, a presidential news conference

537
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: during the most urbulent moment of his presidency, with Americans

538
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: held hostage in Iran and a flagging economy, plus an

539
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: ugly fight within his own party for re election. And

540
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: now I'd like to say a word about my brother's

541
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: relations with Libya. President Jimmy Carter interrupted primetime television for

542
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: over an hour to address concerns over his brother Billy's shenanigans.

543
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: As all of you know by now, Billy is a

544
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: colorful personality. We are personally close. I love him and

545
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: he loves me. Billy is extremely independent. On occasion he

546
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: has said, I don't tell Jimmy how to run the country,

547
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: and he doesn't tell me how to run my life.

548
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Imagine having to answer to the entire country and the

549
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: world for your little brother meddling in the Middle East.

550
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: Billy has had no influence on US policies or actions

551
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: concerning Libya in the past, and he would have no

552
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: influence in the future. Mr Carter, would you please take

553
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: the oath you swear that what you're about to say

554
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 1: as the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

555
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Three weeks later, Billy himself testified before a Senate subcommittee. Mr. Chapman,

556
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: I hope this testimony will show, in common sense fashion

557
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: that Billy Cart is not a buffoon, a boo boy wacko,

558
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: as some public figures have so so described him. I

559
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: am a common common citizen with uncommon financial and family problems.

560
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: I won't restill order. He later wrote, quote, Jimmy and

561
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: I have never sat down and talked about my deal

562
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: with Libya. It's probably just as well if we ever

563
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: started talking about Libya, he might want to kill me.

564
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Of course, none of this stopped Billy from talking to

565
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: the media. Can you stand another four years of this?

566
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: Or I can't stand about anything. I would I like

567
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: to uh we own is. I would like to compliment

568
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: Captain Pearson Long Beach, Bable Hospital. I haven't had a

569
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: drink you and all this, and I think I think

570
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: I said in something program. Did you catch that? In

571
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: the middle of this fiasco, Billy Carter had entered treatment

572
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: for alcoholism. Billy Carter ten pounds later off alcohol and

573
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: cigarettes too. After six weeks at the Navy treatment center.

574
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: In April ninety nine, Billy Carter admitted something to himself

575
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: and to the world. I am an I am an alcoholic,

576
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: and I do I think it is a disease, alcoholics acute.

577
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm cute as long as I don't take a drink,

578
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: and once I take a drink, I'm not cute any long.

579
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: Billy said he was drinking half a gallon of vodka

580
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: a day before he quit. He was drinking to the

581
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: point where he was bloated and the only thing he

582
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: could hold on his stomach was buttermilk. Civil remembers their

583
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: doctor friend telling Billy that he would die if he

584
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: continued to drink. Soon after, he turned and he looked

585
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: at the children and he said, oh, I want you

586
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: to know that I'm an alcoholic and doum I have

587
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: to go away because I have to do something about this.

588
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: And the kids looked at him and said, Daddy, you

589
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: just realizing this. We've known it for a long time.

590
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: It's at this point I look back at all those

591
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: TV appearances and see Billy in a different light. He

592
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: had a serious problem and it was as plain as day.

593
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Here's Billy's daughter, Kim. Did I get a kick out

594
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: of seeing him drunk? Somebody? No, I mean that that

595
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: was bad. Daddy was drinking all the time when the

596
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: four of us were growing up. Mandy doesn't run very

597
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: much of that at all. Remember it. Mandy was just

598
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: a young girl at the time, and Earl is so

599
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: much younger. He only remembers a sober Billy. But you,

600
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: it's different for you. It's different for me. I didn't

601
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: know him when he was an alcoholic. He gets sober

602
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: marks seventy nine, so I knew him after that, and

603
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: he was totally I grew up differently than they did.

604
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: And then Earl catches me off guard with something very personal.

605
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: The strangest thing is I don't recovering alcoholic and being

606
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: in a meetings and uh, people will come in and

607
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: not know. I don't tell people who I am when

608
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: related to people will ring my dad up, saying if

609
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: they saw him on TV and if he got sober,

610
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: then I can to Somebody will bring him up as

611
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: an example to aspire to, not knowing that you are

612
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: his son. My father is alive and well within the community.

613
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: Billy stayed sober for the rest of his life. He

614
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: said he could do it because he was bad stubborn.

615
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: For years, Billy and Sybil toward the country, speaking openly

616
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: about alcoholism and its effect on families. He would later write,

617
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: who's some good old boy Rednick and are relate to

618
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: when he winds up in jail drunk and can't remember

619
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: what he did to get there? Elizabeth Taylor Betty Ford

620
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist or me? If he were allowed the day,

621
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: I think that would be the first thing that what

622
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: he would he would bring up about the good he's

623
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: in his life, you know, helping other people through alcoholism.

624
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter ended up getting walloped by Ronald Reagan in

625
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: the general election of He and Mondale won just six

626
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: states plus the district of Columbia. No one today blames

627
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: Billy for the loss, but he certainly didn't help. Jimmy

628
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: then began his distinguished post presidency as Billy faded from

629
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: the headlines. But even today, the kids received unwelcome comments

630
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: from unsuspecting strangers. Oldest daughter Kim remembers one incident when

631
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: she was working at the service station museum and one day,

632
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: this woman came in and she said, you know, it

633
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: was such a shame that he was the kind of

634
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: man he was. You know, his family must be so

635
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: ashamed of him, and his brother probably doesn't even like

636
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: to talk about him. And I, well, I popped my

637
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: big old butt up and I went to the door

638
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 1: and I said, ma'am, no, ma'am. I said, Billy Carter's

639
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: family is very proud of him and his brother, that

640
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Speaker 1: I loved him and still does. Well, how do you know?

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00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: And I said, because I'm his daughter, he was my daddy.

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00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: Are you sure? They're laughing, but none of the kids

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00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: seemed to miss the spotlight. Al He said, I don't

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00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: ever wish the family. I don't wish the other side

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00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: of the family for somebody to be president, because I

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00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: think more we were hard, more than good stuff came

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00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: out of it. I guess Billy never returned to the warehouse.

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00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: He did return to the airwaves doing a commercial in

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Speaker 1: that raised eyebrows. But I got two hundred thousand dollars

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00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: in Libya. A lot of people thought it was because

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00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: of my brother. I was giving them advice. Whether you

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00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: believe me or not, I'm going to give you some advice,

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00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: try to eat his grand light. Yes, Billy used the

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00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Libya scandal to sell ice cream, but he was struggling financially,

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00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: and that wasn't nearly the extent of his personal misfortune.

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00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: That same year, Billy was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, the

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Speaker 1: same disease that took not only his father, but also

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Speaker 1: his sister Ruth and eventually his sister Gloria. It's not

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Speaker 1: clear if this was hereditary, environmental, may be caused by

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Speaker 1: farming chemicals, or just a terrible medical coincidence. Without blowing smoke,

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00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: I think it looked terrific, but I feel good. I

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00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: really feel good. And of CBS News paid a visit

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00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: to Billy. He was only fifty one, about my age now,

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Speaker 1: but the man on the screen looks far closer to

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Speaker 1: how Jimmy looks today at Billy had lost over fifty pounds.

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Speaker 1: By this point, Billy had moved back to planes and

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00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: he seemed in pretty good spirits, encouraged by thousands of

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00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: get well cards. Asked if he had any regrets. I

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00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: don't think I got to change anything. I think, knowing

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00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: mean as I do, I did something that you shouldn't

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00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: have done. And something that I should have one, and

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00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: if I had to do it again, I probably scowled

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00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: up worse than I did the first time. And so

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00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't see that hindsight ain't worth a damn. He

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00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: was still one, Billy Carter repeating what he told his

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00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: doctor on my dying. But I want you to be

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00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: giving me a shot in the ass or something trying

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00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: to get me. Well, that's all I want to go

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00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: with it. Just three months after that CBS interview, on September,

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00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: Billy Carter died. He kept saying, Daddy's there and Mama's

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00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: waiting for me. I mean, he and he. This was

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00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: after hours of him not saying anything. He looked up

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00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: and they're there. He was seeing his dad, he was

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00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: seeing his little land. And then the last thing he said,

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00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: yeah's love to me. Tributes poured in. I mean it

686
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: was just flowers everywhere, arrangements and stacks of uh telegrams,

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00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, on the table there. And Buddy remembers when

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00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: his uncle Jimmy came over to the house. And Uncle

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00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy comes walking in and then he picks up those

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00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: telegrams stack this thing. I mean, we're from Bob Hope

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00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: rob Rait and uh, he says, civil who are all

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00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: these from and all these flowers? And Mom and said, well,

693
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: they're from there from Billy's friends. And he said, I

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00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: never knew he had so many friends. And it's not

695
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to know. It's just that he

696
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: just he was busy running the world. But President Carter

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00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: says he always knew how loved his brother was. They

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00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: always had a group of friends around him. He loved

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00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: other people. He had ten times as many friends as

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00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: I did. All the men at the funeral removed their

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00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: ties in honor of Billy. It's been over thirty years

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00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: since Billy Carter died. For his kids, uncle Jimmy is

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00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: their last family connection. Here's Kim And I tell him,

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00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: I said, You're all we have last. You are all

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00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: we have left and and I want him and he

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00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: knows that. But when I look at him now, I

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00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: don't just see him, I see Daddy too. And here

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00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: is Janna. I got to miss and Daddy so bad

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00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: right for his birthday and um, which is in March.

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00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: And I emailed like a gimmy and I said, can

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00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: can I come see you? And he said, what's the matter?

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00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: I said, well, nothing, I just want to come talk

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00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: to you. So a couple of days I went and

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00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: he said, what's something. Did you need something, Jenna, And

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00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: I said, no, Sir, I said, I just want to

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00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: talk about that. I just miss him. And we sit

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00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: there and talked about him, you know, when he was

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00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: a little boy, and it just made me feel so

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00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: many And I told him the same thing. I said,

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00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,919
Speaker 1: you're all we have left as far as dead again.

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00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: But you know, he said, Jenny, you come up here

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00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: anytime you want to him. We've talked about your daddy,

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00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: will talk about anything you want. You went up just

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00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: to talk to him about your yea, and it made

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00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: me feel a lot better. Yeah, when presidents leave off,

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00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: they get libraries and museums and eventually memorials. Presidential siblings

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00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: don't get any of that. Okay, Billy does have that

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00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: service station museum, which I highly recommend. It was really

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00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: good to talk about Vid. It just might us feel good.

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Speaker 1: At the end of my visit, Billy's daughter Janna told

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Speaker 1: me that nobody had ever really asked her about her

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00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: father before. She thinks maybe people were just scared. She

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Speaker 1: thanked me for coming down. I'm grateful to her and

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Speaker 1: her siblings, and Sybil for telling me about their lives

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Speaker 1: and about the man behind the caricature. Next time on

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Speaker 1: Obituaries we give a forgotten founding father the send off

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Speaker 1: he deserves. Thomas. That's your family. I certainly hope you

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