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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, we wrap up our

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Speaker 1: position by position breakdown with a two parter tight end

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Speaker 1: and special teams positions that are very much in need,

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Speaker 1: especially when it comes to kicking game. Never sleep on

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Speaker 1: special teams. But first, welcome back to a player who

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe never left. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 1: four oh three, and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover

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Speaker 1: two is presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy Cardinals dot com

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Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to the right, throws near sight

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Speaker 1: of Fritz Bob heads into the end zone for the touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Just a few more days,

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Speaker 1: MJ the new league year, IE, the start of free

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Speaker 1: agency just a few days away, and that would be

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday, March seventeenth. Of course, we've got the legal

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Speaker 1: tampering period beginning on Monday. But yes, this is the

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Speaker 1: final week. I guess you could say. The NFL calendar

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Speaker 1: that reads twenty twenty. Calm before the store, Craig. Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, we've spent time at Combine over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. Unfortunately we're not there this year and

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Speaker 1: I definitely miss it. But it is what it is,

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Speaker 1: and you adapt just like teams do and when it

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Speaker 1: comes to adjustments. But I gotta think tampering has been

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Speaker 1: going on for a little while. It really starts during

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Speaker 1: those days in Indianapolis, even though you know technically it's

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Speaker 1: not supposed to, but you know, you run into somebody

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, casual conversation turns into a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. But you're right, because it's always amazing

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Speaker 1: on how when that red light goes off, if you

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Speaker 1: will say, hey, you know, everything is okay. Now you're

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Speaker 1: allowed to and then all of a sudden, boom boom,

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Speaker 1: boom boom. We get all these national reports about one

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Speaker 1: signing after another. But you know, we'll see we do

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Speaker 1: though this. There are three trades or three quarterbacks on

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Speaker 1: the move that will know for official on Wednesday, and

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Speaker 1: that would be Matthew Stafford, Jared Goffin, Carson Wentz so

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Speaker 1: that we know of that could not become official official

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Speaker 1: until the new league year. We could have more, That's true,

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Speaker 1: DeAndrea Hopkins, David Johnson. I mean there could be more

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Speaker 1: than maybe some teams have said on it now. In fairness,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a GM and you have player X,

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Speaker 1: let's just say Hassan Reddick and you call and conversation

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Speaker 1: well take place. You can't make any offers, but you

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Speaker 1: can let people know when free agency opens up, we'll

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Speaker 1: have interests in your client. And again that's when it

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Speaker 1: and you know, players and agents talk so but I

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Speaker 1: mean again, nothing can be announced, but they've gotten so created.

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Speaker 1: We could see this player X has taken his talents

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Speaker 1: nothing can come official until Wednesday, and we know it's

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Speaker 1: But it's going to be fast paced, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're all anticipating these one year deals. I think it's

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Speaker 1: It's just it would be nice, and I know things happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can put voidable years in her. Hey, Craig,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Darren obviously looks at a little bit different

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Speaker 1: than we do because you know, realistic not fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: But he was agreeing with some of your stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so what a lot of that. Check it out, check out.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it'll let you and I am there, but

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Speaker 1: we do this every week, so it's all good. I

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Speaker 1: do like Dan Arnold, and I'm going to continue to

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Speaker 1: say it until you know, obviously told that he's not

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Speaker 1: going to be on the team where someone says, hey,

437
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Speaker 1: you're you're You're completely out of the loop on this.

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Speaker 1: I just with that tight end position. Remember when Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: was first hired and the one of the first moves

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Speaker 1: that was made was to bring in a tight end

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Speaker 1: And we think Kingsbury and it's all, you know, spread

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Speaker 1: the field four wide, five wide, But you know, is

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Speaker 1: that a position to where this team uses more? And

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: that we're only increasing the amount of tight ends on

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Speaker 1: the field. As far as how many times we see

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Speaker 1: a Max Williams or Dan Arnold, I do think we

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Speaker 1: might have seen more of that if Williams was able

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Speaker 1: to stay healthy miss seven games because of an ankle injury,

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Speaker 1: and there was a period of time where he was

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Speaker 1: on ir So again it's that if healthy, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the phrase of this offseason. Last year was on paper,

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Speaker 1: this year is going to be if healthy. I do

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Speaker 1: think that would be a nice one too. If you

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Speaker 1: have Williams and Dan Arnold, and I believe you know,

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Speaker 1: again Max Williams, he's the guy that's gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: get physical. So there's gonna be some injuries, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he showed he can catch the ball. He's not just

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Speaker 1: a blocker. But I agree with you, you're not tipping

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Speaker 1: your hand when you go eleven personnel. What's interesting, Craig,

461
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Speaker 1: and that was an unbelievable stat about how much they're

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Speaker 1: going twelve personnel. I think the Cardinals are running a

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Speaker 1: loven personnel about forty nine percent, and then they're running

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Speaker 1: their third or second and the third in the league

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Speaker 1: on ten personnel. They're not really going five wide unless

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Speaker 1: they're they're trailing or you know, you're trying to get

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Speaker 1: a maybe a field position. But it's almost fifty percent

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Speaker 1: eleven personnel and then thirty percent twelve personnel. And then

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Speaker 1: I would say the rest, it's not as much as

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Speaker 1: thirty percent is ten personnel. So that's who they are,

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Speaker 1: and they've involved where we go back to the first

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Speaker 1: month of the season and you know, two years ago

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Speaker 1: they're running ten personnel a ton, So they definitely and

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Speaker 1: we talked about it. You got to protect the edges there,

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Speaker 1: you got to get off press coverage, you got to

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Speaker 1: get separation. But I do think Hopkins, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: his ability to make those uncanny catches in traffic. If

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Speaker 1: you look at a lot of his catches, they were

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Speaker 1: in traffic, and so that's got to get better by

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Speaker 1: getting more players around him. But I do agree that

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Speaker 1: tight end can be a weapon in this offense. Mentioned

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Speaker 1: it briefly as far as Darrell Daniels, and they don't

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Speaker 1: want to sleep on him because that's someone that I

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Speaker 1: think is more in the mold of a Max Williams,

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Speaker 1: the similar size six three two fifty six and a

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Speaker 1: better blocker than a Dan Arnold, but not a great

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Speaker 1: pass catcher. That's where Arnold has the edge. So between

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Speaker 1: those two, you combine them together, you might have a

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey if you will go as far as the

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Speaker 1: best of both worlds. But I do also think Darrell

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Speaker 1: Daniels is someone that if you're Jeff Rogers, the special

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Speaker 1: teams coordinator, you want back because Daniels was pivotal on

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Speaker 1: special teams, much like a Tanner Vallejo. Guys that we

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Speaker 1: don't talk a lot about, but they are certainly important

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Speaker 1: to win games on Sundays, and we don't talk about

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Speaker 1: guys that line up for extra points and field goals,

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Speaker 1: and usually it's a it's a tight end on the

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Speaker 1: outside and it's probably a couple offensive lineman. They do

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Speaker 1: play on special teams, you just don't really see it

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Speaker 1: because you know after the kick they go to a break.

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Speaker 1: But Daniels, I think he's a really good blocker and

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Speaker 1: he kind of surprised me. And give Kyler that that

503
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Speaker 1: catchy had in the end zone, he took that ball away.

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Speaker 1: And he's had some drops, he's had some penalties, and

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Speaker 1: you know, him and Kyler had a conversation on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines and looks like he knew he was wrong. He

507
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: was just upset. But I like his size. I mean, again,

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Speaker 1: Dan Max Willniems making three million dollars, Derrell Daniels isn't

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Speaker 1: gonna make it. But if Williams can stay healthy. I

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Speaker 1: just think he's a savvy veatcher and he knows how

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Speaker 1: to practice, and I think he can help that young group. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, if the Cardinals get to the draft and

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Speaker 1: Kylie Pitts is there, and you know, Philadelphia, you're taking

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Speaker 1: that high and you need a receiver plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to get into I just that's a luxury pick there

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Speaker 1: they got. They gotta go, whether they get a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and free agency, which we think they will, or

518
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Speaker 1: a corner and free agency, which if you think they will.

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Speaker 1: Tight end to me is not a priority, but I

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Speaker 1: know how many teams value that. You've got to have

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Speaker 1: two tight ends in this league now that you can

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Speaker 1: count on. I've seen Pitts's name in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: I mean is he is certainly has the measurables, if

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Speaker 1: you will, and has backed it up with what he

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Speaker 1: was able to do at Florida unanimous All America, the

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Speaker 1: John Mackey Award winner. So if there is a tight

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Speaker 1: end in the first round that is first round worthy,

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Speaker 1: it is Kyle Pitts. I'd be surprised if he lasts

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Speaker 1: in number sixteen. But there are some decent tight ends

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Speaker 1: that maybe on Day two or day three, a Hunter

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Speaker 1: Long out of Boston College, Brevin Jordan from Miami. Guys

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Speaker 1: that you know, there are certainly a drop off from

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Speaker 1: Pitts to them, but certainly guys that maybe you could

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Speaker 1: have as far as that past catcher is concerned within

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Speaker 1: this offense and some of the draft prospectus to list it.

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Speaker 1: Besides you know Pitts six six two forty you look

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Speaker 1: at long six five two fifty three, first Team All

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Speaker 1: acc Brevin Jordan from Miami six three two forty five.

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Speaker 1: So those kind of a little bit more h backs,

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Speaker 1: the six three guys where they can block. You know,

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Speaker 1: I know the Cardinals don't employ a fullback, but we've

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Speaker 1: seen Max Williams in the backfield sometimes. And then obviously

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Speaker 1: you're trying to utilize matchups. And then you've got Trade

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Speaker 1: McKitty from Georgia six five two forty four. So depending

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Speaker 1: on us six four, six five and six six or

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Speaker 1: more pass catchers, but the other guys like Max Williams

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Speaker 1: canna do a little bit of both, being six four

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Speaker 1: two or fifty two pounds. It is a Friday edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday, partner of the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As we continue our position by position breakdown

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Speaker 1: ahead of free agency and by the way market down bookmarket,

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Speaker 1: I should say easy Cardinals dot com slash free agency.

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Speaker 1: That is the free agency tracker. Already the Cardinals have

554
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Speaker 1: agreed to terms with J. J. Watt, so that is

555
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Speaker 1: up there and we'll see how many other moves are

556
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Speaker 1: made before we talk about the draft, which will really

557
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Speaker 1: get into as that happens at the end of April.

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Speaker 1: So our last position group MJ and this is where

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Speaker 1: you know, we don't talk a lot about special teams

560
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Speaker 1: unless something goes wrong. And credit again to Jeff Rogers

561
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Speaker 1: what he has done through his two seasons with Kingsbury

562
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Speaker 1: and going back to when he was with Steve Wilkes's staff,

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Speaker 1: special teams has not been a concerned outside of maybe

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Speaker 1: a handful of times in a year ago. The one

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Speaker 1: big blemish was at New England. Other than that, I

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Speaker 1: thought special teams played very very well. But going into

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Speaker 1: this offseason there might be a ton of changes because

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Speaker 1: when you talk special teams, it's punter, kicker, holder, long snapper. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're fine at the long snapper, that's Aaron Brewer. But

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Speaker 1: this team needs a hunter and the elite thirty eight

571
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Speaker 1: years old. He'll be thirty nine next season. He's unrestricted

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Speaker 1: free agent. And then you need a kickers. Ain't Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: unrestricted Mike Nugent, who came in and replaced Gonzalez when

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Speaker 1: Gonzalez went on IR because of a back injury. Nugent

575
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Speaker 1: is scheduled to become a free agent as well, So

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Speaker 1: two big pieces need to be filled. Maybe not right away,

577
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Speaker 1: but let's not sleep on the kicker and the punter,

578
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Speaker 1: much like the backup quarterback. Those three positions, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to get a lot of oppressed, not a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention, but could be very very important. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me if they brought Zane gotten Zales back on

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Speaker 1: a lower number. I don't think they were willing to

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Speaker 1: pay him. I think he was a guy that could

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Speaker 1: have gotten a contract extension. They tendered him last year

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Speaker 1: at three point nine million based on production. They were

586
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Speaker 1: not going to pay him that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: Nugent's going to be thirty nine. I think you got

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Speaker 1: to look at some kickers against some competition, But it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if they get Zane back, and Zane's

590
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Speaker 1: the only one that can answer would have happened last year?

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Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm sure they've had tons of conversations,

592
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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe he'll get his phone ring and

593
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Speaker 1: he'll go somewhere else. Maybe he changed the scenery. But

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it change the scenery. I think he's

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Speaker 1: just got to make the kicks, and they're pressure kicks,

596
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Speaker 1: but that's what you get paid for. It was the

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Speaker 1: forty to forty nine range that we focus on. He

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Speaker 1: was eight of thirteen with those misses, three in the

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Speaker 1: final two minutes of regulation or overtime over a five

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Speaker 1: game stretch. We're talking about the overtime win against the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Remember he missed a forty one yard attempt that would

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Speaker 1: have won the game in regulation, only to win it

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Speaker 1: on a forty eight yard or to win the game.

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Speaker 1: And then he came up short against the Dolphins on

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Speaker 1: a forty nine yard attempt and then missed right on

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Speaker 1: a forty five yard attempt at the Patriots that would

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Speaker 1: have tied the game. Those, as you say, pressure kicks,

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Speaker 1: you have to come through. Not that I could do

609
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Speaker 1: it any better, but you need to have someone that

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Speaker 1: is able to make those kicks when it matters, not

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Speaker 1: first quarter, second quarter, but late in games. And that

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Speaker 1: I think is what really bothered a lot of fans,

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Speaker 1: including us here on Cardinals Cover two, you have to

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Speaker 1: be able to make those kicks and pressure situations and

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Speaker 1: three misses. Those missus really hurt the Cardinals too, specifically

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Speaker 1: because you lost to that offense and you lost to

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah, at least there's a good news. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Brewers under contract, Yes, and we don't talk about him.

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Speaker 1: And look a great guy. I mean, unfortunately don't get

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Speaker 1: a chance to go into the locker room. But he's

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Speaker 1: just he's just he's just, you know, down to earth

622
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Speaker 1: guy and he's honed his craft. But anyways, I do think,

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Speaker 1: and you could say this every single year, the Cardinals

624
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Speaker 1: got to get better on their coverage units. And I

625
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Speaker 1: think the return game I thought they were close a

626
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago and they've chased is going to

627
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Speaker 1: be your bell, Kyle, you know, another way to get

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Speaker 1: Emil Benjamin possibly on the field. Now you mentioned Emmanuel Sanders.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize this guy's gonna turn thirty four years old.

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Speaker 1: March seventeenth, sneaking. Yeah, but he's the return kicks or punts.

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Speaker 1: But usually you wanted from a guy that's going to

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Speaker 1: dress on game day that may not be a starter

633
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Speaker 1: punt returner. You'd hope Isabella Christian Kirk. But they got

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Speaker 1: to get more out of that unit. They got to

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Speaker 1: get more of the returning. And I know teams are

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Speaker 1: kicking in the end zone, taking in the twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I know teams are kicking a little bit higher or

638
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Speaker 1: forcing you to come out so they can stop you

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Speaker 1: at the eighteen or twenty yard line, but it'd be

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Speaker 1: nicest to see them break one. And there were games

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Speaker 1: when they gave him great fuel position. I remember a

642
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: nice little return from Chase Edmonds and Christian Kirk changed

643
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: fuel position. So again you could say this every year

644
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: they want to get better covering kicks and also punts

645
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: and you know limits some of those return and then

646
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: obviously get more from your return game. And again I

647
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: can say that every single year, we just haven't seen

648
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: a guy break one yet. Well, if you look at

649
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the rankings as far as the return game is concerned,

650
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: punt return, Cardinals ranked twenty ninth kickoff return, they were

651
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: tied for sixteenth, and I think punt return has become

652
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: more difficult. But when you're only getting five point four yards,

653
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's not a lot. You certainly would

654
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: like to give your offense a little bit better field position.

655
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: But on the coverage units, remember what is Rick Gosling,

656
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: the longtime NFL rider, had the Cardinals ranked very high

657
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: as far as special teams. They were number ten in

658
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty because, according to Gosling's rankings, the Cardinals had

659
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: the fifth best kickoff coverage, the fifth and fewest penalties,

660
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: and tied for first with three takeaways. So they are

661
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: doing some things right. But to your point, it's it's

662
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: the return game specifically. I think punt return you're not

663
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: looking for, you know, twenty yard yards every single time,

664
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: but how about seven plus ten plus every now and then?

665
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: And then the kickoffs, I think you're just kind of

666
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: you're limited to what your opponent is doing to you.

667
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: If they're just kicking it deep, pinning you at the

668
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: twenty five. A lot of coffin corner kicks to where

669
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: they try to pin you inside the twenty five yard line.

670
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you can find someone. But that's also

671
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: at the expense of maybe a defender or a skilled

672
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: position player that sometimes you don't want to lose on

673
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. That's when Patrick Peterson comes

674
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: into effect, and you don't want someone that valuable back

675
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: there all the time. Rick Gosland, if you're not familiar

676
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: to Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, a long time

677
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: work for the Dallas Morning News. They call him Goose.

678
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: He's retired, but he also works for the Hall of

679
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: Fame Network with Clark Judge and he's really I mean,

680
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick speaks very highly of Rick Gosland when it

681
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: comes to special teams. I mean, he's got to form.

682
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: And every year after the season ends, everyone's wondering where

683
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: they ranked. And I'm glad you brought up those numbers

684
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: because you know, we watched the games and didn't know

685
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: that they were that good on the coverage. But I know,

686
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: the return and Christian Kirk a few times ferret catching

687
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: then running the other way. It's just little things. And

688
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he had a tough year, just a COVID,

689
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, not being consistent, but he did have six

690
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: touchdowns with second targets on the team. But it's just

691
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: little things. You know, and you know how I feel

692
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: about that. Two things possessed the ball. Number one, you

693
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: know the ten yard rule and if you're if you're

694
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: clea your heels around the ten yard and that ball

695
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: you think it's going to go to four or five

696
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: yard line, you have to hit that guy, the first

697
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: guy down and hope it bounces in the end zone

698
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: or possessed the ball and just do a fare catch.

699
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: I just don't like fair catches in the ten yard

700
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: line though, and I think we all hoped that Andy

701
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Isabella would have been that guy, and then all of

702
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: a sudden he wasn't and Chase Edmonds is back there.

703
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: And that's never good when there's a move made, whether

704
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it's midweek or mid game, because that's obviously telling you

705
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: something that that player is not doing what they're supposed

706
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: to do. This is year three for Andy Isabella. If

707
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: it's not him on special teams, then all of a sudden,

708
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: you're fighting for playing time on offense and maybe even

709
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: fighting for time to be active on game day, to

710
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: where we did see Andy Isabella inactive a couple of

711
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: times this season. So if that can be his role,

712
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: whether it's punt or kickoff, then all of a sudden.

713
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: You know, Christian Kirk doesn't have to worry about it

714
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: or someone else, unless again, they find someone here in

715
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: free agency or they draft someone you've brought up. You know,

716
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: Benjamin May. You know, can he be that return guy

717
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: and be active on Sundays when he wasn't all of

718
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: last season. I mean, if you look at it and

719
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: we think the Cardinals will go out and get a

720
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: number two receiver, I mean, it remains to be seen

721
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: who that guy is. I think we're talking about the

722
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: same names and not the top name. See guys that

723
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: have experienced they got So if Christian kirkcher, let's say

724
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: they get a number two and then Christian Kirks three

725
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Isabella's four now, I mean, and

726
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: then you got Keyshawn Johnson and listen, Jojo Award, don't

727
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: don't fall asleepy. I'm not saying he's gonna make the roster,

728
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: but he's got speed. He can get behind that defense.

729
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: I know that's an option where but you're right about Isabella.

730
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if he can just get past the first layer,

731
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: he has his speed to bounce outside rock the middle.

732
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: But again, it's confidence, it's it's you know, not thinking

733
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: and trying to do too much. It's the little things.

734
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: But again, another big offseason for Andy Isabella. One last

735
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: point on special teams, and perhaps, you know, by next

736
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: week or maybe even before then, we'll have an answer

737
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: on Dennis Gardack, Trent Sheerfield, and Ezekiel Turner. Those three

738
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: core special teams players all restricted free agents. I don't

739
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: see them going anywhere because of one, how well they

740
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: play on special teams and the voice of Jeff Rogers.

741
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: He's very high on those three players. And when you

742
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: have special teams coordinator slash assistant head coach, you have

743
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: a say in how the roster is constructed and how

744
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: and what players you would like to return. But Gardeck,

745
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: once he's healthy, you know what he can do on

746
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: special teams. And in Shurefield and Turner, those guys are

747
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: tackling machines much like in Isaiah Simmons showed on special

748
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: teams as far as the coverage units are concerned. But

749
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: those three players, they can make their livings, and they

750
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: have one to get on the roster as undrafted rookie

751
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: free agents and then staying in the league because they

752
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: provide a valuable tool and a resource and playing on

753
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: special teams on Sundays. And if you're a drafted there's

754
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: three different tenders as a first round, tenders, second round,

755
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: and then depending on where you're drafted. For these guys,

756
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: they're not going to likely get a high tender because

757
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: they're all undrafted. So I mean, another team could come

758
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: after him, but that's highly unlikely. But so I do

759
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: think unless the Cardinals want to move on from one

760
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: of the three, which doesn't equal to me, even if

761
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: Gardek returns in November, he's still a guy that's going

762
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: to play on special teams. We know Zeke Turner's the

763
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: punt protector. He did it a little sniff of defense.

764
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: And then you look at trend Shutfield. I mean, he's

765
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: one of those guys that dresses on game day and

766
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: he's probably the fifth or sixth receiver. So you know,

767
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: unfortunately for those guys, they've cut their teeth playing on

768
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: special teams. But if they were drafted, they would get

769
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: a higher tender and they would be a lot more

770
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: happier just based on what they've earned up until this point.

771
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: And Guardac showed what he could do defensively, and Sherefield

772
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: occasionally we see as a wide receiver, it's a Zekiel

773
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: Turner who is having a hard time getting on the field.

774
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: As a defender, he certainly is anxious for that role,

775
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: and it just maybe he's another guy as far as sidelinebacker,

776
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: much like a Tanner Vallejo. If you need it, they're there.

777
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: They certainly have the smarts, they're just not as athletic

778
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: as in Isaiah Simmons is. Yeah, And I don't know

779
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: if I'm bullish, but I'm curious about Evan Weaver. I mean,

780
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: he could his role Craig moving forward could just be

781
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: strictly on special teams. We know that, you know, he's

782
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: a tackling machine, kind of plays the echo of the whistle.

783
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of reminds me of a young

784
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman's just you know where he's the PAC twelve

785
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year. He was basically you know,

786
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: didn't play last year. But I kind of like the guy.

787
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: I know he's under sized, but you know, sometimes you

788
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: know you can find a role for him. But I

789
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: think he eventually could be that special teams guy that

790
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about two or three years. As

791
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: we mentioned Sherfield and Turner and Dennis Garden. Bottom line is,

792
00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: never sleep on special teams, and that's something that needs

793
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: to be said more often. We all focus on offense

794
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: and defense and oh, by the way, this went wrong

795
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: on special teams, but we don't. We don't highlight the positive.

796
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: And a lot has gone right for the Cardinals on

797
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: special teams, and it is now all of a sudden,

798
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: a huge question mark this offseason what they do going

799
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: forward at the two most important positions kicker and punter. Well,

800
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I found that mistaken the block punt right in the

801
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: Philly game, and then you throw in what the read

802
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: the option to two block punts. Don't forget about Week

803
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: one against San Francisco as well. Right, I'm just saying,

804
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I just remember that Philly game that because that game

805
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: was a little bit closer than we thought. Even though

806
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, you know, it wasn't he was running. They

807
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: couldn't stop the run basically, and they gave up a

808
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: big play. But and then also the Andy Lee throw

809
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: to Zeke Turner. Those are big moments where that's when

810
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: you talk about special teams. That's what we should talk about,

811
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: not missfield goals and how about Kylie fits also with

812
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 1: the kick on the Giants returner to knock that ball off.

813
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: That's another one. Yeah, the unintentional, intentional kick by Kylie

814
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: Pitts is this kime, but in his case, right place,

815
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: right time. All right, burd Gang. That's gonna wrap up

816
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: our position by position breakdown. We've covered all positions here

817
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: ahead of free agency. Now you know we've done our part.

818
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: Now I guess m Jay, we sit and wait and

819
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: see whether the Cardinals listen to us or feel like

820
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: we don't know what we're talking about and do something else.

821
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: All right. So my prediction is, you know, possibly alignment interior,

822
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: maybe in particular Center, and then I got to think

823
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: a receiver, and I wouldn't rule out corner, just kind

824
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: of in a lot. It's gonna hinge on if Patrick

825
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: Peterson decides to go elsewhere. I think they want to

826
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: retain them, but it's going to be the right price.

827
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: So I do think there's again what they don't do

828
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: in the drag free agency they could do in the draft.

829
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: But I think center's a focal just based on Sean

830
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Cooler's comments and competition, and we know what they have

831
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: in house. They want to add there a couple options there,

832
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: and then possibly you know, running back. I'm not surprised

833
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: about mark Ingram. I think that's going to be the deal.

834
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: I know the Cardinals will like to draft the running back.

835
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't hurt to bring in a veteran guy.

836
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: I think they like Jonathan Ward. We'll see about, you know,

837
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: and DJ Foster. But I think there's three positions we

838
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 1: could see them address in free agency and then wait

839
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: for you guys to get desper and get some one

840
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: year deals. Yeah, Ingram joining the Houston Texans on a

841
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: reported one year, three million dollar contract, and that certainly

842
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: sounds reasonable for a veteran. And we talked about the

843
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: Cardinals adding a veteran running back at a very low number,

844
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: but someone that's still is productive, especially running between the

845
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: tackles on short yardage. It's the David Johnson mark Ingram show.

846
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: David Johnson took a pay cut, Craig. That's a minimum deal,

847
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: all based on him being active on game day, getting

848
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: five hundred yards you know average per carry. So again

849
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: when you read it, he can make up the three million,

850
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: but it's basically a one year minimum deal based on

851
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: him being active on game day and that's want to

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