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Crime Stories with 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. 9 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: A little girl goes missing and a desperate search ensues 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: to find her. After days of searching, her body is 11 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: found in a creek miles away from her home. How 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: did that happen? Right now, we have obtained the autopsy 13 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: report in relation to the little girl, Mariah Woods. What 14 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: does it reveal? Also inside information regarding a potential prosecution. 15 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: It's all happening right now, Imancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Let's go straight out 17 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: to Jacksonville Daily News reporter Mike McHugh. Let's start at 18 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: the beginning when Mariah goes missing. She lived in a 19 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: very small dwelling with her mother, the mother's boyfriend, and 20 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: her brothers. The brothers are a little bit older than her. 21 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Remind our listeners, Mike about how Mariah goes missing. Well, 22 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Mariah goes missing by a phone call from the mail 23 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 1: occupant of the house, Earl Kimry, around six thirty am 24 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: on November twenty seventh, stating that the three year old 25 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Mariah Woods is missing from their dwelling, and that begins 26 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: a quick mobilization of law enforcement as well as military 27 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: personnel from nearby Camp Lejune. Boy, it really did, Mike Mhugh. 28 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: Before you go any further, we've got that nine one 29 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: one call, which I always love to play for juries, 30 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: because you know, a jury can hear what the lawyers say, 31 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: the defense, the prosecutor, the judge, the witnesses. But when 32 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: you play a nine one one call, it transports everybody 33 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: back to the moment, the beginning of the timeline and 34 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: the disappearance a little Mariah. Listen, I was okay that 35 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: one one was he haders of emergency? Yes, Sam, I'm 36 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: at twelve Ducie Gavin Rose, Lot seven, Sir twenty four 37 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: five Lot seven, Duscie Gavin Rose, tell me exact for 38 00:02:51,200 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: what happened. Look everywhere at our house, in having our yard, 39 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: and our little girl or a little girl, she se, Okay, 40 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: how is she? She's three years old? Okay, so let 41 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: me get some information from you. Okay, it's mal all right. 42 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: So lads, the last time you've seen her, who wouldn't 43 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: been blocks like everyone ever wait to bed? Three cops? 44 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: And what time is that fire? Maybe equal thirty? All right? 45 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: Just get this informations test though. And you looked in 46 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: the bedroom, under the bed, and everywestire and not able 47 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: to room squils. It's under every everywhere, looked out three 48 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: three cops. You're in the yard. It's all I order 49 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: to do is to go out about it all. But 50 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: nobody not in the middle morning by herself. Yes, she 51 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: has a physical medical I'm methic conditioning you be Alia, 52 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: she has must she has muscal adstricy. She's politic otherwise 53 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: she's okay, let's take a break right there, because it 54 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: is striking me right off the bat with me, Doctor 55 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, a renowned pathologist and medical examiner. Joseph Scott Morgan, 56 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet and professor forensics, 57 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: said Jacksonville State University, veteran New York psychologist Karen Stark 58 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: and juvenile judge founder of childcrimewatch dot com Ashley Wilcock, 59 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: along with Jacksonville Daily Knees reporter Mike mhugh, Ashley, he's 60 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: so out of breassy knowing what I know now and 61 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: now listening to his nine on one call with twenty 62 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: twenty hindsight. Yeah, I know why he's all out of 63 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: breath because he just hit her by at the bottom 64 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: of a creek. Come on, Ashley, really, all the breathing. 65 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: I mean, the jury is going to roll their eyes 66 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: when they hear this. Yeah, I completely agree with you. 67 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: And like you said, the benefit of a prosecution playing 68 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: a nine one one tape like that is it gets 69 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: not only the facts out, but the emotion. It's going 70 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: to draw that jury in to say you piece of 71 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: you know what, what in the heck are you doing? 72 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: You just don't want to get caught. I mean the breathing, 73 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a fake hyperventilation. But Mike mckugh, 74 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: we've all listened to is nine one one call. The 75 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: big news now is we've got our mits on the 76 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: autopsy report, as well as your inside information into a 77 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: potential prosecution. Lets start with the autopsy report. Mike mc hugh, 78 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Daily Knews reporter. We've been waiting for this and 79 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions about this autopsy report. 80 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Mike mhugh. What is the cause of death? Well, the 81 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: cause of death on autopsy report was listed as a 82 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: chloroform toxicity, and we had heard that before from official sources. 83 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: But was what was so striking and probably so heinous 84 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: in the report itself was the way in which the 85 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: body was disposed Mariah Woods. She weighed twenty eight pounds. 86 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: She was three years old. The body described in the 87 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: autopsy was wrapped in three white plastic trash bags tied 88 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: around her neck. The body was then placed inside an 89 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: empty couch cushion and then taken down to a watery 90 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: area twenty one miles from their house. It's a tributary 91 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: to the northeast the Cape Fear River, and there were 92 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: cement pieces of cement placed inside the couch cushion to 93 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: keep to keep the objects submerged in the water and 94 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: on the bottom. Okay, we are taking a hard look 95 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: at the living boyfriend who was quote day eating the 96 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: three year old taught mom Christie Woods, And I'm just 97 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: gonna put this out there. How did she not know 98 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: that her three year old child was dead from chloroform 99 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: toxicity which I'm going to get to our experts on 100 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: in just a sec. How do you not know where 101 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: your child is and that they're dead and that they're 102 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: being stuffed and a couch cushion cover was cement blocks. Well, 103 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: that's the million dollars question, Nancy. And to describe to 104 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: the dwelling in which they lived, they're separated from their 105 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: neighbors by approximately twenty or thirty feet. There's no vegetation 106 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: around the house. I mean, they're pretty wide open, but 107 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: that three bedrooms, living area in a kitchen, it doesn't 108 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: take long to you know, go through that that dwelling 109 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: and looking for somebody and for that matter, hearing something 110 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: that occurs on the other side of the house is 111 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: probably pretty easy to listen to. So absolutely, Mike Mhugh. Absolutely, 112 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I've argued to a lot of juries 113 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: before and I think that if I were to try 114 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: this case, I would get a dummy. And I don't 115 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: mean a dummy that I can pick up and throw 116 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: up in the air like most courtroom dummies are. I 117 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: mean a dummy that weighs the amount that Mariah Wade, 118 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: which is woefully underweight I think she is anyway, And 119 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: have a person demonstrate in front of the jury what 120 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: you would have to do to stuff a body deadweight 121 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: twenty eight pounds or more into a sofa cushion, then 122 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: weight down the cement blocks, cement chunks in there, and 123 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: then bind it in some way to have the child 124 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: double wrap in trash bags like she's trash. Then get 125 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: it into a vehicle, and then get it out of 126 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: the vehicle and put it in a creek. Because what 127 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: that says to me is state of mind, state of mind, 128 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: m motors operandi, method of operation. What mind does it 129 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: take to take a child's body and perform what I 130 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: just laid out for you. What cold blood ran through 131 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: the killer's veins as he did this to a three 132 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: year old little girl? Is there anything more precious than 133 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: a three year old little baby a child? I can't 134 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: think of anything, but what mind did that? What person 135 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: did that? Because to me, that shows course of conduct. 136 00:09:54,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle Dupree, pathologist, medical examiner, exactly is chloroform toxicity? 137 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: And I gotta speculate why did he want this child hidden? 138 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: What was their signs of sex abuse as had been 139 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: alleged in formal documents? What did he want hidden so badly? 140 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: What is the toxicity? Doctor Dupris? Chloroform toxicity is basically 141 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: dying from chloroform in this case, because it's an inhalent, 142 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: it's a solvent. The child must inhale enough chloroform in 143 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: order to pass out, and then eventually they will die 144 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: from that. And that is what it is. And you 145 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: can tell that how, doctor Michelle Dupris, How can you 146 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: look at a dead body that's been submerged in water 147 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: or at a creek bed for this period of time? 148 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: How can you tell chloroform toxicity? Well, Nancy, we do 149 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: that by actually examining the body. When we do the autopsy, 150 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: we look at the organs in the body, particularly the lungs, 151 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: and we can tell from that. We can also tell 152 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: by doing toxicology reports on lungs and fluids in the body. 153 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: But I mean, you look at the lungs. If I 154 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: were to look at lungs right now, what could I 155 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: see with the naked eye. That would tell me, oh, 156 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: this is a chloroform toxicity. We would get the chloroform 157 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: toxicity from the blood, but we would look at the 158 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: lungs because she was submerged in water. We would need 159 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: to rule out drowning as a particular kind of cause 160 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: of death. So we look at the lungs. They were 161 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: in relatively good shape considering everything, and the toxicity comes 162 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: from the blood sample and the toxicology results from that. Okay, 163 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: if you can boil this down, this is forensics for dummies. 164 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: For me, let me ask you something. You inhale chloroform 165 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: to the point it's poisonous to your body, like breathing 166 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: in carbon dioxide, Yes, and you die. How does what 167 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: you breathe in show up in your blood? Because as 168 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: we breathe in, the blood circulates through our body, circulates 169 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: through the lungs, and those metabolite and things that are 170 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: in the chloroform will come out in that much as 171 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: if you inhale carbon dioxide or any other kind of inhalent. 172 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: What about nicotine like cigarettes? Same thing? Ah, Okay, So 173 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: you can look at somebody's blood and tell if they're 174 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: a smoker or if they're smoked pod or if they 175 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: inhale carbon monoxide or whatever the case may be. Right, Well, 176 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: we look at all kinds of things. We do look 177 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: at the blood, but in cigarettes we can tell by 178 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: looking at the lungs because deposits are left in the 179 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: lungs from the nicotine. Okay, Joe Scott Morgan. What else 180 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: can we learn from the circumstances surrounding her death? Because 181 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: you know a medical examer or a death investigator, you're 182 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: the death investigator. Death investigators don't just look at the 183 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: forensics from the body itself. They look at surrounding circumstances, 184 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: and those circumstances often play into a coroner's decision as 185 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: to manner of death. Right, So what are we looking at? 186 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: The one thing that we haven't touched on or that 187 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: I haven't heard the police touch on at this point, 188 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: And I don't know that we necessarily will is? Did 189 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: he have the components within his home in order to 190 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: make chloroform? I think that that's going to be key here. 191 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: And please, if taught mom, Casey Anthony could allegedly make it, 192 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: who couldn't? Come on? Please? What do you need to 193 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: make lauriform? Well, you're going to have to have acetone, 194 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: which if the you know the focus at the shoe 195 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 1: cleaners in nail polish, yeah, jo nail polish, yeah, and 196 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: it it can it's nail polish remover actually, and acetone 197 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: is used as a paint remover. And then uh, okay, 198 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: stop stop stop, you're bringing back one of my first 199 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: memories when my grandmother Lucy Minerva uh was help raising us. 200 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: One of my not my very first a first memory 201 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: was my sister and I would always go to her 202 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: house at night to watch Miss America or Miss Usa 203 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: or whatever the miss whatever was going to be and 204 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: paint Mama, my grandmother Lucy's fingernails. And I remember the 205 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: first time I was the old fingernail polish remover, I 206 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: thought it was the worst thing I had ever smelled. Translation, 207 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: can you imagine soaking a rag? Funny how that little 208 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: childhood memory is turning into part of a murder investigation. 209 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: Soaking a rag with nail polish and holding it over 210 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: this child's nose? Would that do the trick? Or what 211 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: else do you need for chloroform? Well, you would also 212 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: need to have bleach as well in order to facilitate this. 213 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: So they're very simply acquired items that can facilitate this. 214 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: And wait a minute, that's all I need fingernail polish 215 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: and bleach and I have chloroform. Well, yeah, you'd have 216 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: to mix it correctly, but yeah, that's essentially the base 217 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: elements here. You know, and think about chloroform, Nancy, the 218 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: history of it, and we talk about you. Chloroform was 219 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: initially used as an anesthetic to take people out, you know, 220 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: to knock people out for surgery. But even in the 221 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: primitive way in which that was done way back then, 222 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: when they would administer chloroform, the physicians back then could 223 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: measure out how it was done. We're talking about on 224 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: a three year old girl in some little tiny house 225 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: and he's pointing onto a rag. You know, you and 226 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: I can take in certain substances and they're not going 227 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: to impact our body as much as they will the 228 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: body of a three year old le angel Like this, guys, 229 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I hope that doctor Michelle Dupree and Joe Scott Morgan 230 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: and aren't going deathcome for with the cause of death here. 231 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, this is what a jury is going 232 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: to be talking about. This is what's going to be 233 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: presented to a jury. What we're talking about right now, 234 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: because I have in my hands right now the autopsy 235 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: report for three year old Mariah Woods, and I am 236 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: beside myself, Mike Mhugh jacksonall Daily Knees reporter. I've noticed 237 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm queuing aing with myself here because I've noticed there 238 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: is no histologic evidence of anal or vaginal trauma, which 239 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: says to me that she was not molested before her death. No, 240 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: if I could, Nancy, could I circle back to what 241 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: mister Morgan was just explaining just there. Oh, please do please. 242 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: As he was talking, I was looking at some court documents. Actually, 243 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: it's the search the search warrants that were issued on 244 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: December sixth of the home. And I'm looking at some 245 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: of the itemized stuff that was taken from the home. 246 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: And I'm just reading here four bleach bottles, a syringe, 247 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: nail polish remover, and a white pipe with nozzle on it. 248 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: But those are among the thirty six items that were 249 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: taken from the home. Again, four bleach bottles, a syringe, 250 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: and nail polish remover. Interesting. Okay, hold the horses. Hole 251 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: the horses, Mike Mhugh. You know what I love, Mike, 252 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: I love court documents. I do too, and I think 253 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: that's why I used to. I loved writing appeals, believe 254 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: it or not, before I was a trial lawyer, and 255 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: I would my elected DA mister Slaton would occasionally rotate 256 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: me back through, or I would handle all my own appeals. 257 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: I love reading court documents. I love reading search warrant returns. 258 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: I love reading the search warrant which tells me what 259 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: they're looking for, and then the return is what they 260 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: bring back. They have to list it, and you can 261 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: really learn a lot if you will sit down and 262 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: take the time to comb through it, because you've just 263 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: given me an arsenal of ammunition. Did you hear that, 264 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott? They got nail polish remover, syringes and what 265 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: was the other thing, Mike mckugh thee oh, the thing 266 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: was four bleach bottles. They don't describe the the size 267 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: of it. It's four bleach bottles, syringe, nail polish remover 268 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: and away type with nozzle on it. This is they're 269 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: just listed it there. They're in no particular order. They're 270 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: an Alpha order America, just randomly just placed in the 271 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: search warner. A white pipe with a nozzle on it 272 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: that sounds like that um PC white pipe. Okay, Ashley Wilcot, 273 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: trial lawyer, juvenile judge, childcrimewatch dot com founder way in. 274 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Nancy. Not only does that show 275 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: that he had all the ingredients to make the chloroform 276 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: that killed this child, it also for the prosecution specifically 277 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: proves what premeditation. This was premeditated, This was not an accidental. Oh, 278 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: he went out bought these items and like Joe Scott 279 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: already said, he would have to figure out via Google 280 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: or online. Hey, how do I properly mix these? Do 281 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: that and then kill this child? Hey guys, as we're 282 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: talking to Ashley Wilcot about this, we're gonna weigh back 283 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: in with doctor Karen Start out of Manhattan. But remember 284 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: this is a three year old little girl that only 285 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: weighed about twenty eight pounds. Remember when her body was found, 286 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: she was not wearing her special she's medical es that 287 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: were designed to allow her to correctly walk. Remember, she 288 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: had muscular dystrophe. What could be more helpless than this 289 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: little girl who should have been safe in her own 290 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: home with mommy, suffering from muscular dystrophe. That tells me 291 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: that she was in the home when she was killed 292 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: or taken. She didn't have on her little shoes to 293 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: go outside. And with this knowledge, I want you to 294 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: listen again to the living boyfriend nine one one, and 295 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: she might go at all a neighbors are anywhere you 296 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: know we're going, We have militiary long, we don't have 297 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: any any neighbors that are friendly. 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Okay, as you see the personal iles taken 324 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: on this blanket or teddy bears, she might have he 325 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: said this, He said, no, nothing. She said, well her 326 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: first cha the rejamas that you've been or running into 327 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: the floor and then he was on the floor. He 328 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: said jamas for her, so your fade him out? Sir, 329 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 1: He mean hello, can you hear now yet? That now 330 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: what we're you saying? She said, with the jamas she 331 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: put her opinion or laying beside her bed. Okay, so 332 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: she's not they're picking footy bajamas. I can't recall. It's 333 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: like I wish she waited reading because I didn't turn 334 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: interesting guys. In the last hours, we've obtained the official 335 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: autoxicy report for three year old Mariah Woods. We joined 336 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: in the searts trying to find Mariah, but she goes 337 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: missing out of a very small family home. I can 338 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: relate to that. I showed my children the last time 339 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 1: we were making where I grew up, and they went, well, 340 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: where's the house. I'm like, that is the house that 341 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: and they just looked, and of course they're so sweet 342 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: and polite. They didn't dream of saying, Mommy, it looks 343 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: like a shed, but yes. So it's my point is 344 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: it's hard for a murder to occur. And stuffing this 345 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: child's body into trash bags, double bagged and stuffed into 346 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: a sofa cushion full of cement chunks to weight it down, 347 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: and getting that into a creek, How'd that happen? With 348 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: mommy not knowing a thing? The autopsy report right in 349 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: front of me, as we learn information from inside the 350 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: investigation about a potential prosecution, we were just hearing and 351 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: it was just so ironic to me. Karen start joining me. 352 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelde, Pretty, Joseph Scott Morgan, Ashley Wilcot, and Mike 353 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: mceugh from Jacksonville really needs Karen the nine one one 354 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: operator who seems it just incredibly and oddly calm Okay 355 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: asked if she was a favorite item with missing, such 356 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: as a blanket or a teddy bear, and you can 357 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: hear a long pause. It's almost like, darn, I didn't 358 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: think of that. I can't think of, you know, hiding 359 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: your body with her favorite teddy you know, he waits, 360 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: there's a long pause as he tries to figure that 361 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: one out. Karen. Well, he's clearly lying about everything that 362 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: he's saying, Nancy, and that long pause it did it. 363 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: It just caught him off guard because we're talking about 364 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: something so tender and sweet and makes this little girl 365 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: kind of life her teddy bear, and this guy can't 366 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: begin to think about what happened to the teddy bear? 367 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: Should he have hid the teddy bear? I mean a 368 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: very basic question like that, And if you look at 369 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: the TAPSI reported also talks about the fact that she 370 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 1: was found with abrasions and you know, seems to have 371 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: been harmed, something wrong with her skull, and it makes 372 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: you think that, I mean, she was hurt, so where 373 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: was the mother while all of this was going on? 374 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm following right up on that. You're 375 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: now on the second page. Karen start you leaped ahead 376 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: of me in the autopsy report, but you're absolutely right. 377 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: To medical examiner doctor Michelle Dupree, we see a normally 378 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: developed central nervous system for her age. But I can 379 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: tell you where the defense is going to go with this. 380 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: They're going to go with early acute pneumonia. She had 381 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: early acute pneumonia. But okay, that doesn't explain when your 382 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: child has pneumonia, you don't stuff it in trash bags 383 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: and put it in a sofa cushion at the bottom 384 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: of a creek. Also, early acute pneumonia does not explain 385 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: cerebral swelling with hypoxic ishmiic changes consistent with global hypoxia 386 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: is shemia prior to death. I guess that's meaning that 387 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: when you see cerebral swelling, I always think of a 388 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: blow to the head, But here is the swelling of 389 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: the brain because of the chloroform poisoning. That's right, Nancy, 390 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: It's because the hypoxic injury causes the symmetrical swelling of 391 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: the brain. An injury would probably cause an asymmetrical and 392 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: we don't see any acute injuries actually on the skull 393 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: or the head. There are some subgalial hemorrhages, which does 394 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: indicate a bit of trauma. And there are the bruises 395 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: in the contusions that were on the child's face, and 396 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: those have to come pre mortem because once you're dead 397 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: and you get hit, you don't bruise because the blood's 398 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 1: not running through your body anymore. There's no there are 399 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: no blood cells to um hurt, which causes a bruise. 400 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: It's your your blood cells are smashed and they you 401 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: see a bruising under the skin. But if your blood's 402 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: not pumping, that's why you know. You shoot a dead body, 403 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't bleed. There's not any blood pumping through the body, 404 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: nor does it bruise. Now, I know that's just a 405 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: dummy down explanation, but is that true, doctor Michelle Dupree. 406 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: You can't bruise somebody once they're dead. Yes, fancy, you're 407 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: exactly right, um. And also that doesn't explain the chloroform 408 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: in the child's blood. String there's a cute epidural hematomas 409 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: heumotimus are bruises, epidural d'idal epideral is actually the covering 410 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: over the brain, So there's a there's a thin covering 411 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: over the brain, and so that's what out hematoma is. 412 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: Then right, ventricle, cervical, spinal cord, acute bruising. What does 413 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: that mean, doctor Michelle? And in this case they're actually 414 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: looking at this and the physician was not able to 415 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: tell that this was post mortem or artifact or actually 416 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: before death, so this could have been caused after death. 417 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: Now let me ask you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 418 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: jacksonvill State University, what more in the autopsy report of 419 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: three year old Mariah Woods leaps out at you. I 420 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: think that there is they're saying. The physician is saying 421 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: that there is an absence of any kind of vaginal 422 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: trauma on her and also anal trauma. And you know 423 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: this we were talking about potential, you know, sexual abuse. 424 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: What's the driver behind all of this? And so I 425 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: don't I don't really know if anything is there relative 426 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: to that. So that's going to be an investigative issue 427 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: where they're going to have to try to get that 428 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: information out of him. What about this just got Morgan. 429 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: Let's thank here a minute. Thank thank he think he 430 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: hold on thank people think. Ashley Wilcotton, remember when you 431 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: and I comed through the Defacts Department file Family and 432 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: Children's Services reports where the boys reportedly told their bio 433 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: dad that they had observed the living boyfriend, Earl Kimry, 434 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: forcing the little girl to have oral sex. As I recall, 435 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't have the document in front of me, but 436 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: that's what I remember. And her face is has a 437 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: bruises and abrasions on it, right think about it? Yeah, so, Nancy, 438 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: that would explain why they didn't find any injuries to 439 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: the vaginal area if she's giving him oral sex and 440 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: there are bruises and marks and injuries all over the face. 441 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: And I just have to say and jump in and 442 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: change the subject a tiny bit. How could this mother 443 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: not have known? When I talk about prevention of child abuse, 444 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: which is one of my hot topics, listen, he if 445 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: my husband came home with that much bleach and acatone, 446 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: I'd be like, what the heck is this for? Number one? 447 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: Number two injuries to the face, Number three, two boys 448 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: in the home disclose the things that atrocities that he's 449 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: committing on this little tiny girl number four. Look at 450 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: all those steps he took to hide the body, putting 451 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: her in a couch cushion that had to come from 452 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: the home. I cannot believe that this mother did not 453 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: know what that half the sofa was missing. If I 454 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: came home and half the sofa was gone, I would notice, okay, 455 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I would notice. You know, I don't know this way 456 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: in your house, Ashley. But when we finished supper and 457 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: we get everything put away, everybody sits down on the 458 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: dym and they either finish whatever project's homework or I'm 459 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: on the computer blah blah blah. We always sit amazingly 460 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: in the same spots unless the children are finding over 461 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: the chair beside me. And if John David and the 462 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: dog who usually get on the sofa, if there's not 463 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: a sofa cushion, believe me, I would hear about it. 464 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: How does she not know there was not a sofa 465 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: cushion unless it was not from the home. You know 466 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: what else is striking me is when I was reading 467 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: about how the medical examiner took this tiny, little three 468 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: year old body out of a body bag, and then 469 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: in the body bag, a silver metallic body bag. I 470 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: used to have nightmares about body bags all the time, 471 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: I guess from all the cases I had at the 472 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. But just taking a tiny little body 473 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: out of a sealed metallic great body bag and opening 474 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: it to find a yellow mesh dive bag. And after 475 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: opening the dive bag, the body is enclosed in a 476 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: plaid zip heard couch cushion cover. The cushion cover also 477 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: contains a large I'm reading directly portion of a solid 478 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: cement material and mixed with stones like a curb or 479 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: parking curb. After opening the couch cushion cover, the body 480 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: is wrapped in three white plastic trash bags which are 481 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: tied around the neck. I'm just thinking about the physical 482 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: act of finding this child's body. Inside the sofa cushion. 483 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: There are diagonal abrasions across the left eyelid. There is 484 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: a bruise on the left canthus, abrasion over the nose, 485 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: another horizontal abrasion over the upper lip, abrasions below the chin. 486 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: This is what I'm reading, This is what I'm learning 487 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: right now. To Mike McHugh, Jacksonville Daily knees. Help me, Mike, 488 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: how I'm just speculating. Well, let me let me yeah, 489 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: let me add something to this discussion that we've had 490 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: two things. I'm gonna say one again, two other items 491 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: that came off of the inventory list from the search warrants, 492 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: and we're talking about in a sexual nature. And I'll 493 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: try to keep this clean. Found in the home where 494 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: a homemade sexual device parenthetically referred to as a pocket 495 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: vagina that was found in the backyard of the residence 496 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: in the wood area. And also another similar device found 497 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: in the residence of the home that's listed on the 498 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: inventory list taken from the home. And of course they 499 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: described this as being found in the backyard as far 500 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: as the sofa cushion. And you say, would you miss 501 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: one in your house, Absolutely anybody would. However, let me 502 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: just add this that Kim Marie was first charged with 503 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: second degree burglary on December second, and that stemmed from 504 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: a break in to an abandoned home that is near 505 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: their property. And to get to it, you can go 506 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: either by the walk up the street it takes about 507 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 1: less than five minutes. I did it myself several times, 508 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: or go through the woods behind their home, and there's 509 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: a path that leads to that abandoned home and it's 510 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: it's a one story farm shack, but inside it is 511 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: all sorts of furniture, sofas, dresser drawers, the like, beads. 512 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just that it's a shambles. But there 513 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff there, and in the backyard 514 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: there was furniture as well. So that's not to say 515 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: that kim Ry's uh, the acquisition of the cushion came 516 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: from within the dwelling on Dawson Cavin Road. He could 517 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: have taken that from that home because he was also 518 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: charged with a second degree burglary, felling, larceny, and filling 519 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: possession of stolen property. And during that period of this investigation, 520 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: there was a big talk about some dresser drawers that 521 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: he had stolen and which was leading some of us 522 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: to believe perhaps he transported the body on a dresser 523 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: drawer should be small enough to fit an addresser drawer, 524 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: but that didn't come out in this latest autopsy report 525 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: here where she was placed inside a couch cushion. So 526 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to add those two points. Well, it 527 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: seems to me I might make cue that police would 528 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: have noticed if there was a sofa cushion missing from 529 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: the home. But even if it were not, I still 530 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: don't know. I wonder if he allegedly killed her in 531 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: the home, killed her in that abandoned structure. You're describing 532 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: what exactly happened, then let me just that. Let me 533 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: let me just that. A little time frame too, from 534 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: the arrest Quarren on the break in one December second, 535 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: they pegged the time between eleven thirty pm and one 536 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: thirty am one November twenty six, twenty seventh, So that would, 537 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: if you were drawn a timeline out, that break in 538 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: would have occurred prior to several hours prior to the 539 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: nine to eleven call, but would have given and Camrie 540 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: time to make flight down to the creek. And again 541 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: I mentioned it was twenty one miles from their home. 542 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: Approximately twenty one miles I drove it from the Dawston 543 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: Cabin residents down to Pender County in the Polly Shelter 544 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: Game Lands area. So he had a busy night and 545 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: that could explain to some of his sounds of anxiety 546 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: and tiredness in that nine eleven call. Please bring her 547 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 1: back and I love her I'll do anything that I can't. 548 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: Whatever you want to break her home, please save a sound. 549 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,959 Speaker 1: She's by baby, She's by everything. What does she means 550 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: to you and your family in this community? She's like 551 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: an angel. I had my two's tied and burnt on 552 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: each side. I felt out I was pregnant with her, 553 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: so we call her our little angel. She's got the 554 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: personality of make you laugh. She's goofy, outgoing, talkative. She 555 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: knows how to make your day brighter. A lot to 556 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: this community and people that are here looking for her 557 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: love her to death. What would it means for you 558 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: to see her face again? Everything in the world, just 559 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: to be able to touch her and hold her, not 560 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: let her go again. They give anything tacked Onsla County 561 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: Sheriff Department, please and let us know. And if whoever 562 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: has her, please, I'm begging you bring her home safe. 563 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: That is the mother of three year old Mariah Woods. 564 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: Mariah found twenty one miles away from home, stuffed in 565 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: a sofa cushion cover and three trash bags, dead from 566 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: chloroform toxicity, covered in bruises. Well, let's see, I'd do anything. 567 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: Those were the words the mom said. How about keeping 568 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: Earl Camery out of your house because, according to deef 569 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: Facts reports, Mariah's brothers had been beaten by him in 570 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: the past. So, Mike McHugh, what was the deal with 571 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: the mom Because I mean, when you allow child molestation 572 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: or just child abuse or neglect to a felony level 573 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: and during the commission of that neglect a death occurs, 574 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,720 Speaker 1: that arguably could be the basis for a felony murder charge. 575 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: So what's happening with mommy at the moment? Nothing. She 576 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,799 Speaker 1: was when the incident first started Monday, she was at 577 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: the scene and she disappeared shortly thereafter. I think Tuesday 578 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: morning she appeared and that was it. We never saw 579 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: her again. I have seen her on several occasions after 580 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: they lifted the crime scene tape days later, telling him 581 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: a week later when she was coming back to retreat 582 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: objects from the home where they still ahead Alisa at 583 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: the place. Um, she's she's she's still living in the area. Um. 584 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: But um, she doesn't surface, she's she's not a visible 585 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: person in the community. Question, Yes, has she visited the 586 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: boyfriend Kimrie behind bars or been having calls with him? 587 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't answer that either. Way. UM. I've asked, 588 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: but I've never gotten an answer from an authority. UM 589 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: that she has visited in Um in jail. You know, 590 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: all the calls are recorded. I sure would like to 591 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: find out who he's calling. At the his few a 592 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: court appearances, UM, she was not present. In fact, there 593 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: was nobody there from his family. Was you know it was. 594 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: They're always brief the appearances in court. Um, but she 595 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: was not there at those and we we were there 596 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: at those events, but she was not there. What about it? 597 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: Askeley Willcott? What about mommy? Oh mommy, what about mommy? 598 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: So listen, there's no way even if it was only 599 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,359 Speaker 1: in her and she didn't actually see him do these 600 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 1: things to this little three year old, beautiful girl, she knew. 601 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: She had to have known. And this goes to what 602 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: we see in so many cases in Nancy. I see 603 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: it as a judge people who are in denial. Oh, 604 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: maybe he did hit my son, but he'd never kill 605 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: my daughter. No, no, no, no no. If they're going 606 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: to take the first step of hitting a child, there's 607 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: no opportunity to say they wouldn't kill my child. A hall, 608 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: So she should have known. I don't know. It's fascinating. 609 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: This is the other thing I see. Sometimes once they 610 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: have the person in custody in jail who did the crime, 611 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: that they say this is the one who did it. 612 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 1: Sometimes they tend to forget about or let go of, 613 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 1: who else might have known or been involved that should 614 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,439 Speaker 1: be charged with lesser charges. It was cold that night. 615 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: Mariah's family say they went to bed around eight pm, 616 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: and that's the last time they saw the three year 617 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: old little girl. Les suffering from muscular district fish. She 618 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: had to wear special shoes to help her walk. The 619 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: next morning, the living boyfriend of Mariah's mother, Chrissie Woods, 620 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: He reports her missing and Ambrellert goes out. It was 621 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: days later the Feteville Police Department find Mariah's body at 622 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: the bottom of a creek along a highway in Pender County. 623 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: The autopsy report has just been obtained and we have 624 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: been combing through it with a fine toothed comb, disturbing 625 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: details such as she died of chloroformed toxicity. That's not 626 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: a natural cause of death. Her body was actually zipped 627 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: inside a couch cushion filled with cement. A three year 628 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: old little girl's body disposed of in that manner. The 629 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend Adolphus Earl Kimry the second suspicion. But mommy seemingly 630 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: has disappeared. Speaking of daddy, take a listen to what 631 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: he tells me. Have they told you how they think 632 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: she was killed? Alex? No, not yet. They as soon 633 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: as they found her body, they rushed Greenville, North Carolina, 634 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: where they was gonna perform the alktopsy and I'll find 635 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: out further information on how, when, why, not? Why? But 636 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: how and when and all that information, Alex. Do they 637 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: believe that Mariah was molested? I have not. I do 638 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:53,360 Speaker 1: not know that me thinking I have, Yes, I think so. 639 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,919 Speaker 1: I hope him pray, not just for the peace of mind, 640 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 1: but I think so. Yes. I have not heard that 641 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: from nobody, because you know, they're now just doing the autopics. 642 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: So I don't know, Alex. Was she clothed when she 643 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: was found? I had no idea. They did not tell me. 644 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,359 Speaker 1: All they told me was that they found my baby girl. 645 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: They frowned Mariah about twenty minutes away from where we're at, 646 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five minutes away from our home. According to 647 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: those CPS documents, she was molested. Joe Scott Morgan. Do 648 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: you recall what we learned from those documents? Yeah, that 649 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: that she had the boys had witnessed her actually being 650 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: molested by this person. So yeah, I think that that 651 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 1: that that's going to make a strong case. Also this, 652 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go back to this head trauma 653 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: she sustained. I'm really wondering Nancy if she hasn't been 654 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: subdued in some way, almost in a tortuous manner, to 655 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: force her to do things that she would not want 656 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: to do, or was sick and tired of doing. Well, 657 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: we know this, we know that in those CPS documents, 658 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: the father, Alex Woods, claimed that Earl Kimry, the living boyfriend, 659 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: assaulted Mariath, a three year old little girl with muscular distrophy, 660 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: sexually and physically abused the two little boys, beating them 661 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: with the belt, one of them in the face, causing 662 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: a nosebleed. I mean, right there, Ashley Wilcot, why was 663 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: he not kicked out of the home? Right then and there? 664 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: Two things? Number one, why was he not kicked out 665 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: of the home. Why in the world would you ever 666 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: ever ever allow someone like this to be around the children? 667 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: Number two, why didn't somebody let defects know. This mother 668 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,399 Speaker 1: had to have known. I still, if these kids say 669 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,719 Speaker 1: this happened, the mother had to have known that. It 670 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,480 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, and I would argue that this death 671 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: could have been prevented had proper steps been taken. To 672 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,320 Speaker 1: Karen Start NewYork psychologists, what's any logical reason why he 673 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: was allowed to stay in the home after these allegations? Why? 674 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: It's not logical, Nancy. But it's clear to me that 675 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: this mother was dependent on this guy for whatever reason. 676 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: She felt like she needed to have him in her 677 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: life and was willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of her 678 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: children to keep this guy around. So it's a desperate 679 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: kind of love that doesn't intellectually make sense, but emotionally, 680 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: she had to have him around her children didn't matter. 681 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: The cops working overtime on this ever a hundred interviews, 682 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty leads, bringing the FBI Child Abduction 683 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: Rapid Deployment Team Team ADAM from NICKMA seven hundred and 684 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: thirty volunteers in the search for Mariah, expanding from Oslo 685 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: to Pender County. Ninety five thousand pounds of trash was 686 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: sifted by hand looking for items of interest. So tell me, 687 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,720 Speaker 1: Mike McHugh, what about a potential prosecution? Where does it stand? 688 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: What do you know? Well, where it stands right now 689 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: is and I spoke to District Attorney Ernie Lee yesterday. 690 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: The tenetive trial date is slated for September of twenty nineteen. 691 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: The defense Wally Paramour. He's a local attorney and he's 692 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: been on both sides. He was an ADA and now 693 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: he's in private practice. He's going to be teamed up 694 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,440 Speaker 1: with Brook Mangam from the Capitol Defender's Office out of Lumberton. 695 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,919 Speaker 1: They've already filed a motion with the court to change 696 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: the venue. That was filed on March first of this year, 697 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,479 Speaker 1: and that motion still pending. According to District Attorney League, 698 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,879 Speaker 1: the state sent over beginning on February twenty sixth through 699 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: June twenty second, they sent over a mountain of discovery, 700 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: including eighty seven discs. Um. This this district attorney that 701 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,760 Speaker 1: we have here in Honswick County, this isn't his first rodeo. 702 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,359 Speaker 1: He's um he's been prosecuting for thirty one years. Uh. 703 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: He has any capital cases and four of which have 704 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: resulted in a death sentence. So he's been down this 705 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: road several times before. UM, and I think they're I 706 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: think they're moving on a fast track with this, with 707 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 1: this trial here. UM, if I could just go back, 708 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,919 Speaker 1: I hate circling back here because we covered the ground, 709 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: but I wanted to add something to kind of would 710 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 1: probably add another layer to the description of mister Kimry Uh. 711 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,480 Speaker 1: Mariah Woods she had an ambulatory um defect that m 712 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: prohibited her Fromlwaukee. Normally, she wore leg braces and she 713 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,799 Speaker 1: was being treated by a specialist up in Chapel Hill, 714 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: which is about three hours from here, two and a 715 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: half hours from here. And the wife of the pastor 716 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,920 Speaker 1: the church in which um Mariah and her mother went 717 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: to was kind enough to drive Mariah to see the 718 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: doctor's office on a regular basis, And she was at 719 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: the scene on Monday and I was talking with her. 720 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: I first met her right there out there and I 721 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: was looking at the house and I asked her, I said, 722 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: where was Mariah's bedroom And she says, I don't know, 723 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: And I said, well, you just told me that you 724 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: picked the child. You know, you pick the child up 725 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: up to Chapel Hill from her doctor's appointment, She's there 726 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,440 Speaker 1: I do. But when I come to the home to 727 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: pick her up, I met at the door by mister Kimry. 728 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: And when I come back in the evening to drop 729 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: her off, I meet he meets me at the front door. 730 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: I was never allowed inside the house. That should have 731 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: been That's a sign. Now she can look back on that. 732 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: But there were a lot of signs that this house 733 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: was dysfunctional, and just nobody acted upon him. That hurts 734 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: me so much. 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