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Speaker 1: file affair from mlbbro dot com. I'll be heading to

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game. Can't wait to go to Atlanta

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Speaker 1: And last call of course as well, your chance to

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Speaker 4: Perfect time to do that. KD has some things to say,

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Speaker 4: Rob Gen, he said, Cable.

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Speaker 3: Not interested in me, Oh gosh.

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Speaker 5: Kevin Durant was the latest guest on the Mind the

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Speaker 5: Game podcast. It was actually the second part of his

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Speaker 5: interview aired on Tuesday morning, and during the conversation, Kevin

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Speaker 5: Durant was discussing the importance of being committed and locked

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Speaker 5: in to the day to day process. That's part of

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Speaker 5: the reason why he's been able to play so long

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Speaker 5: while the BRONV play so long.

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Speaker 3: Steph Curry.

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Speaker 5: Guys like that is because they understand that part of

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Speaker 5: longevity means falling in love with the process.

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Speaker 3: Well, during the course of his end.

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Speaker 1: It's not because they don't play tough defense anymore. And

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Speaker 1: it's easy just scored an ever before to see you.

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Speaker 3: Trying to hear the other.

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Speaker 5: During the course of his answer, as he was explaining

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Speaker 5: the importance of being locked in, KD may Or may

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Speaker 5: not have taken a shot of your favorite player take

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Speaker 6: You gotta recommit to to this game, just like you

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Speaker 6: sign a new contract every time you get better as

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Speaker 6: a player. I always, I truly feel that you got

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Speaker 6: often that like, all right, you know, I'm ten twelve

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Speaker 6: but do I still want to do that? You know

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying, because you know, artist, some people say

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Speaker 3: Go ahead. I want to go ahead.

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Speaker 4: So this is always gonna be the hardest thing to

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Speaker 3: And you just mad at somebody else? We were talking

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Speaker 4: you're simplifying something that's simple. Steph Curry makes ninety nine

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Speaker 4: One shot does not make you the greatest shot. It's

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Speaker 4: So back to what I was trying to say. The

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Speaker 4: that's my only part. While while have an issue with

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Speaker 4: nobody said he was perfect on you you want to go,

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Speaker 4: I said, you can go, So let me go, Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about on a night where he might

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Speaker 4: All we will say is he was six to zero

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Speaker 4: They we will be criticized, why is he losing to Kobe,

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Speaker 4: Why is he losing this person?

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Speaker 3: Why is he losing this stuff?

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Speaker 4: Most people get criticized so that Jordan doesn't often get

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Speaker 3: I think that's a fair point.

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Speaker 4: Also think it's a fair point when you talk about

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Speaker 4: when you talk about he couldn't beat Isaiah Thomas and

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Speaker 4: And so that Bill Lambiard, some of those guys think

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Speaker 4: that's a fair point. You're just you gotta start nippicking.

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Speaker 4: And then also what his point was. Michael Jordan himself said,

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Speaker 4: went on to play baseball. And I do believe that

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Speaker 4: is a part of what has made what made Kobe

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Speaker 4: have dealt with criticism from all angles in new mediums

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Speaker 4: was coming back to La on a helicopter from a trial,

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I fully understand stuff goes on.

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Speaker 4: But Michael Jordan needed a break, a reprieve after eight

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Speaker 4: it's okay to point those out. And yet still can

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Speaker 4: you'll no.

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Speaker 1: You make an excuse, you're like the biggest I'm dead serious,

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Speaker 1: the biggest Lebron apologist I've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: That's the first I'm gonna tell you. No, listen to me.

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Speaker 3: Listen to me. I think you are.

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Speaker 1: And that's why people think you'll like on the on

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Speaker 1: the you're on the pay you are the.

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Speaker 4: Biggest Ron ROGI. No matter what, nobody was good, nobody.

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Speaker 1: Was good in Cleveland, Lebron didn't have anybody. When Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan went to Chicago, what did the Bulls win? Scotty

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Speaker 1: Pippen was this great player, but he never won finals

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Speaker 1: MVP even though he was so great, and he's the

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Speaker 3: This is a nonsense. I'm just just hit me out.

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Speaker 3: This is what people try to make up some scenario. Oh,

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Speaker 3: the only thing you talk about is Lebron. Is Michael

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Speaker 3: Jordan being six and zero? No, he was.

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Speaker 1: He was a scoring lead of ten straight times. He

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Speaker 1: won so many awards. Defensively, he did everything. Nobody's saying

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Speaker 1: he's perfect. But this whole notion that the reason Lebron

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Speaker 1: he didn't win is because Skip Bayless and Rob Parker

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Speaker 1: and Chris Bussard had a morning show on the ESPN.

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Speaker 3: Turn the show off. Really, come on, man, that is weak.

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Speaker 1: That's the reason that Lebron didn't win. It is because

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Speaker 1: there was debates warts talk show, or because some guy

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Speaker 1: in his mother's basement is tweeting about Lebron.

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Speaker 3: And he can't handle it.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, this is what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I can't handle it.

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Speaker 1: What the point is everybody that, oh, Lebron, He's the

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Speaker 1: one who put on his back and a tattoo, the

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Speaker 1: chosen One. He's the one who called himself the king.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't anybody else. When you do that, you put

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Speaker 1: a target on your back. When you talk about you're

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: he was because he was happy that he did something

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Speaker 1: that Magic and Michael never did, which was three me.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like like like he was satisfied.

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Speaker 1: He didn't feel like that. And and and to just

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Speaker 1: say it's only as somebody who lived the sports debate

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Speaker 1: talk show and I was on Cole Pizza when it

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Speaker 1: was first born, and being a part of that, I

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Speaker 1: just feel different. We we it was just it was

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Speaker 1: a conversation that happened. But to think that it was

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Speaker 1: that that made you feel you needed to do something

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Speaker 1: in order to be validated.

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Speaker 3: But I really do though. I just here's why I

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Speaker 3: say that. Here's why I say that.

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Speaker 4: I'm so glad you said that Michael Jordan could have

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Speaker 4: retired after the three peat. Bob Costas was saying, could

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Speaker 4: that be the greatest ever? After his third? You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm watching the last dance. He just said it. I've

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Speaker 4: just watched a couple episodes ago. And my point is

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Speaker 4: the fact that he could have three rings were and

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Speaker 4: only was like thirty I think thirty ish twenty nine

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Speaker 4: when he did that. The fact that we could already

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Speaker 4: say he's the greatest ever with three rings is my point.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't based on ring So that's why I was

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Speaker 3: ring with you.

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Speaker 4: That's why I said the ring culture conversation started later

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Speaker 4: when the debate shows me and I told you it's

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Speaker 4: always been a compliment to Kobe because he's the first

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Speaker 4: person you could legitimately go, okay, well he just won

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Speaker 4: three straight like Jordan, so he can't say he never

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Speaker 4: won three straight.

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Speaker 3: He won three straight.

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Speaker 4: He was very young and he had a whole career

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Speaker 4: ahead of him, and you start to go, well, shoot,

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Speaker 4: could he be better than Jordan? And that's when to me,

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Speaker 4: is this kid already better?

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Speaker 1: Come?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: Because he has five?

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Speaker 2: He is?

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Speaker 4: And that's when I started to see it wasn't a

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Speaker 4: Lebron thing for me. He was a Kobe thing because

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Speaker 4: he was the first time you looked and you actually

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Speaker 4: legitimately said, oh, shoot, could he be? And that's when

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Speaker 4: we started to do the ring thing. And now Lebron

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Speaker 4: comes into that, and when you be thing like like

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Speaker 4: the end all be all it was, but it never.

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Speaker 1: Was the end all be all because if that was

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Speaker 1: the case, and this is my point about the about

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Speaker 1: the ring thing, the reason that it came into effect

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Speaker 1: or the conversation is because this guy shows up, says

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Speaker 1: he's the chosen one, he's the king, he's going after

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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, he's whatever. So people when you start to

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Speaker 1: look at their all right criteria, what he's doing in

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Speaker 1: his career and resume yes, then you like you just

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Speaker 1: talked about nitpicking, right, If you're gonna look at guy's

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Speaker 1: numbers and see what he's done and all this other stuff,

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Speaker 1: then you start to look, okay, MVP, you start to

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Speaker 1: count stuff. So then that that's where a ring of course,

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Speaker 1: but that's not the end all be all. That Michael

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Speaker 1: Jordan is not crowned just off of six and zero.

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you the reason why. Because if Tim Duncan,

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Speaker 1: if Kawhi Leonard doesn't miss the extra, the free throw whatever,

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Speaker 1: and he and Tim Duncan goes six and oh, nobody

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Speaker 1: says he's the he's the goat.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? Nobody?

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Speaker 1: So it's not just say and Tim Duncan would have

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Speaker 1: been six and oh, just like Michael Jordan and and

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Speaker 1: nobody ever even addressed or thought that Tim Duncan was

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Speaker 1: the go Would you agree with that? So it tells

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Speaker 1: you that it's not just the rings because he was

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Speaker 1: five and one and that close to being six and oh,

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Speaker 1: but that's never in that.

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Speaker 4: I agree with the completely with that. But the issue

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Speaker 4: is he was never in the conversation. So he was

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Speaker 4: never going to be in the conversation.

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Speaker 1: But that that's but I'm saying because it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: a ring conversation.

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Speaker 3: If it was, how could he not be in it?

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Speaker 4: But if it was ring, well, all right, we got

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Speaker 4: we gotta get to j R. Gamble on the other side,

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Speaker 4: as it was trending. Uh, Steve, looking at me right now?

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Speaker 4: Like hey, many.

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Speaker 2: Steveste Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup

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Speaker 4: go check them out. We're joined now by our man JR.

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Speaker 4: Gamble in it is time for foul or fair.

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Speaker 3: That ball is It was.

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Speaker 2: A big week in the big leagues.

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Speaker 3: Who's who's a believe?

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Speaker 2: Is it foul or is it fair?

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Speaker 8: And now from mlbdbro dot com, here's JR.

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Speaker 2: Gamble.

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Speaker 5: That's right, it is Fowler fair here on the Okaple

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Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio. And we got our resident baseball inside

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Speaker 5: of the man who carries MLB bro dot com, none

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Speaker 5: other than JR.

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Speaker 3: Gamble.

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Speaker 7: What's up, fellas?

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Speaker 5: What up?

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Speaker 3: Bruh? What's happening?

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Speaker 7: I'm good, I'm good man loving the odd couple you know,

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Speaker 7: locked in every day to hit, just destroy Robin's it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you need to change the station because

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Speaker 3: you got it. We'll never tell him to change the station. Ride.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell him just say we disagree to the radio.

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Speaker 3: Just be careful. Still you a right?

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Speaker 5: I got I got three baseball questions and Jr is

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Speaker 5: the start of the segment. He gets the first crack

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Speaker 5: at every single one. So let's get to it. Baseball

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Speaker 5: seven hundred and sixty five million dollars. Man wants Soto

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Speaker 5: got off to that slow start, but he was National

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Speaker 5: League Player of the Month in June and he entered

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Speaker 5: Sunday rank sixth in the n Allen War among position players,

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Speaker 5: second in on base percentage eighth and o PS third,

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Speaker 5: and run scores.

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Speaker 3: He's been on a heater JR.

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Speaker 5: With that in mind, Fouler fair to say Soto got

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Speaker 5: snubbed from the All Star Game.

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Speaker 7: It's the Rob Parker jinks fair ball. Soto's carrying a

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Speaker 7: huge burden in that mess lineup, and yeah, Rob didn't

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Speaker 7: say he would struggle, but despite the slow start, the

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Speaker 7: numbers were killing them. For are numbers that we give

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Speaker 7: guys like Jack Chisholm and Byron Buxton a lot of

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Speaker 7: credit for. So some people were up in arms about

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Speaker 7: BET's not even getting the All Star call. He's batting

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Speaker 7: under two fifties and that's the end of an eight

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Speaker 7: year street. So you know, when Soto got all that money,

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Speaker 7: to me, it was inevitable that the standard would kind

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Speaker 7: of raise. I guess people weren't really expecting. People weren't

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Speaker 7: expecting Aaron Judge type numbers, But that Mets line is good,

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Speaker 7: but it's not scary. You know, he's probably got it

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Speaker 7: rougher than ever hitting without a man in matato or

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Speaker 7: a tactics or a judge.

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Speaker 10: Or a stanton.

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Speaker 7: But he is top twenty most categories and does winning matter.

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Speaker 7: He's on a Mets team that has fifty two wins

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Speaker 7: in one game out of first. He's doing his damn job.

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Speaker 3: I say it's foul. That is a foul ball. What'd

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Speaker 3: you say? Fair? Yeah, fallI fitter said he got star rob.

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Speaker 3: It's fair that he got snubbed.

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Speaker 4: Fair that I mean fair because he just diad H'm

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Speaker 4: play well for almost two months. Come on, you know

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Speaker 4: you can should be foul foul And that's what I

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Speaker 4: said originally, Right, Yeah, that.

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Speaker 2: Is a foul ball.

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Speaker 1: I'm mixed up. But he didn't play well for two months.

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Speaker 1: It's no shocker that the fans didn't vote for him.

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Speaker 1: When you're the guy and you don't perform, just like

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Speaker 1: we just saw Mookie bets and not make the also team

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Speaker 1: for first time. He got off to a bad start

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Speaker 1: and people look at that stuff. Otherwise, If we're just

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Speaker 1: putting the same guys every year, what would be the

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Speaker 1: point on voting that's.

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Speaker 3: Not what we do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's fair and pretty much the opposite points.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the same point you're saying, rob, but just

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Speaker 4: opposite way of looking at it. I think it's because

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Speaker 4: people were looking at him and saying, oh, man, he's

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Speaker 4: a seven hundred something million dollar man, I expect this.

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Speaker 3: I expect that.

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Speaker 4: Well, ultimately you ended up getting those numbers you expected,

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Speaker 4: and he's producing at those high rates. Just started off slow.

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Speaker 4: So why am I being snubbed for that? For starting

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Speaker 4: off a little snow slow when.

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Speaker 3: I'm balling now?

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Speaker 4: So I think it's absolutely fair that he was snubbed

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Speaker 4: and he I mean, his numbers ranked way too high

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Speaker 4: for him not to be to be sitting at home

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Speaker 4: on the couch, all right.

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Speaker 3: Rom Fowler Fair j R. Gamble with the couple guys.

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Speaker 5: Despite being saddled with the second youngest group haitors in

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Speaker 5: baseball and the sixth youngest pitching staff. Last week, the

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Speaker 5: National decided to fire World Series champion manager and the

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Speaker 5: winningest manager of franchise history, of course, Dave Martinez.

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Speaker 3: Easy question for EJ.

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Speaker 5: Are foul or fair to say that Martinez got a

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Speaker 5: raw deal?

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Speaker 1: I'm a woman.

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Speaker 3: Up, a woman but.

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Speaker 2: Not that raw.

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Speaker 7: Because Martinez had his moment. Maybe he could have given

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Speaker 7: him the season, but he had his moment. I'm sure

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Speaker 7: there's another job for him out there. The natus at

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Speaker 7: rebuild it right. They have a young core Mike Rizzo.

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Speaker 7: He's a keen GM, he's no dummy. It's probably time

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Speaker 7: for another voice. You gotta figure. There's probably some rumblings

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Speaker 7: that martinez coaches style little outdated or maybe went stale

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Speaker 7: on this young group of guys. Eight seasons. He's been

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Speaker 7: there felas twenty nineteen, he won the World Series, but

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Speaker 7: hasn't had a winning season seen, so they probably stuck

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Speaker 7: with him too long.

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Speaker 2: If you ask me, foul that is a foul ball.

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Speaker 1: That's a long time in baseball, Seriously, not to have

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Speaker 1: a winning record, and they you know, he won a

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Speaker 1: championship and you get years for that, and they did that.

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Speaker 1: And I know Dave really well, he's done everything. That's

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Speaker 1: a long time in any place. And I think it

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Speaker 1: was good now. If they would have fired him three

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Speaker 1: or four years ago, I thought it would have been

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Speaker 1: unfair to give him such a short period of time

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Speaker 1: when they're rebuilding. They had a really bad stretch this year.

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Speaker 1: And you know that's what happens in baseball.

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Speaker 3: Man, That is absolutely foul.

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Speaker 4: That is a falliba, because absolutely you're gonna get canned

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Speaker 4: if you start losing that much. They expect it then

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Speaker 4: because you can't win and then lose, lose, lose, lose.

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Speaker 4: You gotta win and at least be good to keep

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Speaker 4: up with the fact that, all right, we're a good,

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Speaker 4: solid team. When you win, all of a sudden, there

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Speaker 4: are expectations, and he didn't meet the expectations. He got

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Speaker 4: a longer lease than most guys do managing or coaching.

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Speaker 4: You named the sport. So to me, he had a

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Speaker 4: good run. Good on the resume. I had a nice

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Speaker 4: little six seven year You know a coach that's a

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Speaker 4: good run with one club and you got a World

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Speaker 4: Series ring, you'll get a you'll go get a job

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Speaker 4: of this offseason.

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Speaker 5: He's fine, all right. Last one Fowler Fair Jr. Gamble

666
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Speaker 5: with the odd couple guys. Last night, Maddy Machado got

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Speaker 5: his two thousand threer hit. In the process, he became

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Speaker 5: one of only twelve players all time with two thousand

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Speaker 5: plus hits at three hundred fifty plus homers three eight

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Speaker 5: to thirty two. The other eleven in that club are

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Speaker 5: either already in the Hall of Fame or are virtual

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Speaker 5: locks to get in at some point when they retire.

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Speaker 3: So Jr. Here's the question.

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Speaker 5: Is Maddy Machado Fowler fair to say Manuchada's already a

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Speaker 5: Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 7: It's a ball and that's one of the easiers in baseball.

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Speaker 7: I don't think anybody's dispute that. To me, he's the

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Speaker 7: most consistent hitter in baseball over the past decade. Just

679
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Speaker 7: look at the numbers. He's one of the greatest field

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Speaker 7: in third basemen in history, especially during his early years

681
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 7: in Baltimore and comparing his bluff to Brooks Robinson he

682
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Speaker 7: also played short force fell I dare say he's one

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Speaker 7: of the most underrated players of the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 7: Looking man Mchallas baseball card thirty bigions, one hundred eyes

685
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Speaker 7: like clockwork, like he played in the nineties or something.

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Speaker 7: So he's gonna have the Hall of Fame numbers to

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Speaker 7: end his career. Not sure where the bad wreck comes in,

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Speaker 7: because I know players love him and he's known as

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Speaker 7: one of the greatest leaders in the game. His only

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Speaker 7: mistakes going to San Diego taking that money.

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Speaker 4: Foul.

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Speaker 2: That is a foul ball.

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Speaker 1: Not a Hall of Famer already.

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Speaker 2: No, oh god stop, you know he's.

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Speaker 3: Got two thousand yards.

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Speaker 4: No, he's not Lord if he did nothing else, it's

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Speaker 4: not automatic. There's a guys who have hit over three

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Speaker 4: or your fifty home runs and want in the Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame.

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Speaker 1: It ain't automatic. I'm just period. I'm just saying I

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Speaker 1: remember it a period. It's not He's not already in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You gotta finish out the job.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. His numbers are going to be there.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be there because of what he's done.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not saying if he didn't do anything else

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Speaker 1: automatically he's a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: I'm not convinced to that.

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Speaker 4: This one was a tough one, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 4: because both you have some great points and the same thing.

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Speaker 3: I was leading. But I'm a go fair.

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Speaker 4: But what I thought about this, what I said was

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Speaker 4: why Rob might be kind of right if we stopped today.

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Speaker 4: It's because he's kind of unlikable, and I think that

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Speaker 4: does play a role sometimes in sports. Sometimes we don't

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Speaker 4: like to think about it needs to just be numbers

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Speaker 4: in your accolades.

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Speaker 3: But we do know sometimes that players role.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can look at taroll Owens not getting

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Speaker 4: in first ballot when he's arguably the third fourth best receiver.

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Speaker 3: Ever.

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Speaker 4: That happens from time to time, and I think that

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Speaker 4: is little little small things that kind of hover around

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Speaker 4: his name, the non hustling, the little weird antics that

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Speaker 4: he has. I could see why, if it stopped today,

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Speaker 4: people could use that against him.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I'm a slide

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Speaker 3: barely lean over the fair. I'll give you that's fair.

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Speaker 3: Can I just say this real quick?

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Speaker 1: Andre Dawson was a great player, right, and guess what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just I'm just giving you.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just giving you Andre Dawson. How many how

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Speaker 1: many homew was it? Andre Dawson hit you know, four

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight and it took him nine years

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Speaker 1: to get into the Hall of Fame. It took him

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Speaker 1: nine years, so he wasn't automatic and many has three fifty.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I believe he will be an MVP.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he'll be in.

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Speaker 3: The Hall of Fame. That's why. That's what I'm saying

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Speaker 3: for me, I get your point, but it stop. Two days.

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Speaker 1: Andre Dawson, eight time All Star, was Rookie of the Year,

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Speaker 1: won an MVP, eight cold Gloves, four times Silver Slacks,

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Speaker 1: and it took him nine years to get it.

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Speaker 3: It's a fair point.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said it feels right.