1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. We 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: are joined in spirit by our super producer, Nold the 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: Madman Brown, who will be returning his absence. Will if 7 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: we make the heart grow fonder? Right? Certainly it will 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: for me. And they call me Ben. You are you? 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: know again? Here closer and closer to the end reminds 11 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: me of that Yates poem Matt, what rough beasts our 12 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: come at last slouches towards Yeah. I do remember the 13 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: second coming. I believe it's called Yeah. I am certainly 14 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: ready for to be over, though I do dread a 15 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: bit of what the next may bring, what will happen 16 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: in Yeah, that's the that's the matter of perspective, right. 17 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: The most frightening thing that people can think about when 18 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: we look at the future and turns of events is, uh, 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: what if people in look back on this is the 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: good old days? Oh? I was gonna say, they will 21 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: definitely you know, well, the world is big. It depends 22 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: on where you live, right, and even perhaps more importantly, 23 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: what your position in a given society has been, And 24 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: that's something we're exploring today. Much of human history has 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: been a study in unequal rights, either by this constant 26 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: conflict right, either by group striving for better representation or 27 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: other groups fighting to maintain a system of oppression that 28 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: benefits them. You know, I'm not a big believer in hierarchies. 29 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: I think they're garbage. I think they're for the birds, 30 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: not even the cool birds, like the crappy birds, like seagulls. Right, 31 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen many crow hierarchies. Maybe there are some, 32 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: there are there are, I'm sure there are, um, but 33 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I I don't like these things hierarchies 34 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: in general, and I understand why they're necessary for some 35 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 1: some people, but uh, philosophically and historically, they're used to 36 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: oppress the many for the benefit of the few. That 37 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: is what happens with hierarchies. Whether you're talking about the 38 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: tribal system in the UK, which continues to exist, of course, 39 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: I guess people feel better about it when we called 40 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: an aristocracy, or whether you're talking about continued cultural repression 41 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: in other countries. Uh, it all boils down to the 42 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: same thing, and it's a source of uh, massive conflict 43 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: in these conflicts have occurred, the cycle of conflict rather 44 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: has occurred multiple times. In the US, for example, we 45 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: have these struggle for civil rights that was again a 46 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: group of people who were benefiting from a system of 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: oppression versus a group of people who were h who 48 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: are losing out because that same system and the reasoning 49 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: behind these Uh, these oppressive systems are based on so 50 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: many different things. There's so many different reasons. I know, 51 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: it sounds like I just picked on the United Kingdom 52 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: and I just picked on the United States. But these 53 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: are just two examples. Like, there are multiple kinds of oppression. Yeah, 54 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: you can go to gender discrimination, where you're looking at 55 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: male and female and one is treated differently. Over the 56 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: course of history, it's largely on on the females who 57 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: have been oppressed in this way. But let's not forget 58 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: women in the United States could not vote, couldn't vote 59 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: for president, couldn't vote for anything just a few decades ago. 60 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: It hasn't been that long. Yeah, right, And as we 61 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: record this, uh, this country and many other countries in 62 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: the West are in the grips of a new kind 63 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: of gender discrimination with people who are trans. Right, So 64 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: the the idea that um a person who identifies as 65 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: female but was biologically identified as a male at the 66 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: time of their birth, is that that's becoming a huge 67 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: legal issue here in the US. And then there are 68 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: other things too, Right, there's the untouchable cast of India, 69 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: and these folks have have endured horrific discrimination, and the 70 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: Government of horse has taken steps to try to mitigate 71 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: this situation. But the caste system of India is not 72 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: something that's going to be swept away by a convenient law, 73 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's it's too deep set. 74 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Then you have various systems of slavery, everything from chattel 75 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: slavery like in the United States for example back in 76 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: the day, wage slavery, bondage labor, mandatory minimums and uh 77 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: and prison labor. I mean, it's a version of it. 78 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: It's not outright slavery, but wage slavery. Yeah, that might 79 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: have to be its own episode. Yeah, yeah, we can 80 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: talk about that. We should definitely have Nolan for that one. 81 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: Does anybody want to write to us and and let 82 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: us know your opinion of wage slavery. Actually, this is 83 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: a sidebar. This is a sidebar. Um, Could I ask 84 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: what your first job was. My first job was working 85 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: pool side as a server at the Piedmont Driving Club, fancy, 86 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: and then I got an internship here, so I've got 87 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: I had to oh, man, okay, uh without going too 88 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: deep into my past because I don't usually say that 89 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. My first legal job was at a 90 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: at at a grocery store, and I tried, eventually, I 91 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: tried matt to get fired. I did numerous things. They 92 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: just wouldn't fire me because the other people at the 93 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: grocery store were that bad, and so eventually I just 94 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: stopped going. Man, you weren't worried about the stigma of 95 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: being fired from one job. No. I went ahead and 96 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: told them that I was just going to stop showing 97 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: up because I'm getting another job. And I got a 98 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: different job, and then just stopped going. That was the 99 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: only way, because I had said I'll quit before and 100 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: they would call with a with a follow up thing. 101 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: But it was just very strange. This is surreal situation. 102 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: You know. I feel like you're opening up more than 103 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: i've heard you open up in a while, so I 104 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: want to keep going, but I know we have to continue. 105 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm setting it up because Okay, let's you were a servant. 106 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: I was a grocer. Those are types of occupations, right, 107 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: I mean I was still a servant, So aren't we all, 108 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: well most of us. There's also ethnic or so called 109 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: racial discrimination. That is, when you hear about minorities being 110 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: being persecuted, or when you hear about groups that maybe 111 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: to an outsider, seem pretty much identical, right, when you 112 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: hear about these groups having bitter, bitter rivalries U. One 113 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: famous situation in Europe course is the Roma who have 114 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: met numerous types of prejudice and discrimination in stereotyping and 115 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: have in many cases never fully assimilated into the local 116 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: culture of wherever they are. Yeah, I was gonna say, 117 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: it's a lot of that has to do with cultural 118 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: differences and clashing with whichever power is seen as the 119 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: norm or whichever group is seen as the norm in 120 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: an area, and then there's cultural discrimination, right. One big 121 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: example of this would be World War two era Japan's 122 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: nationalistic superiority complex over China and uh the puppet state 123 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: of Banchuria that they built. They did unspeakable things. Uh, 124 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: they did it because they thought the other people weren't like, 125 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: really human. Yeah, that's a common theme. That's a common theme. 126 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: And then there's the religious discrimination to right, Yes, and 127 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: for examples of this, you can look to Catholic persecution 128 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: of Jewish people's Protestants, native peoples, and colonized countries. And 129 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: you can also see this in the various forms of 130 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: discrimination practice between Islamic and Jewish cultures. Yeah. Yeah, there's 131 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: another aspect to this, however, and this is the strangest thing, 132 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. In some cases, societies have no concrete 133 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: reasoning behind the discriminatory practice none. Yeah. I wanted to 134 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: say that I feel that a lot of times there's 135 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: not that much of a concrete basis for a lot 136 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: of these discriminatory practices. But these in particular that were 137 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: about to look at just feels like why so. Yeah. 138 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: For instance, the Bruckmann of Japan were historically treated in 139 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: a manner very similar to the Dale or untouchables in India, 140 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,239 Speaker 1: despite the fact they are not just not just visually identical, 141 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: but genetically identical to mainstream Japanese population, and they are 142 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: practicing Buddhists, and they are not in almost any other 143 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: way distinguishable from the rest of Japan. We're talking about 144 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: discrimination based on name or neighborhood. But today, ladies and gentlemen, yes, 145 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: there is a point to our brief exploration. Today we're 146 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: looking at another, perhaps lesser known example of a similarly 147 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: mysterious case of persecution. It's a group of people known 148 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: as the Cargo, also Capo ago Gehette or Chris, which 149 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: stands for Christian Right. So who are these people? What's 150 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: going on? Why have most of the world population never 151 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: ever heard of them? We will tell you after a 152 00:10:54,360 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: brief word from our sponsor m Welcome back. So we're 153 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: looking at this group called they could go Now, historical 154 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: records have proven that for centuries, communities in western France 155 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: and northern Spain practiced brutal, systematic discrimination against this group 156 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: of people. There there was a system that was well established, 157 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: and it was oddly uniform throughout much of France. All right, 158 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: because this is unusual because at this time people weren't 159 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: communicating as easily as people communicate today, which means that 160 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of drift or creep in local customs, 161 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: and this was also one of the reasons why haresy 162 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: was such a big concern for the Catholic Church. Let's 163 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: say there's a church as Gun isolated, it's out in 164 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: the Alps or something. Nobody's seen these people for fifteen 165 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: twenty years. They're getting some weird ideas and changing stuff around, 166 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: doing some weird things, right, So this happened. This happened constantly, 167 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: and the that is one of the reasons why the 168 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: persecution of the persecution of Cago in France and in 169 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: that area of Spain is fascinating. Now. Of course it 170 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: evolves over time, but it seemed to have a very 171 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: oddly specific system to you know, to this persecution. And 172 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: the could Go were Catholic. They were. They were just 173 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: as Catholic as their neighbors who were not Cuyo. But 174 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: they were only reluctantly loud into the auspices of the church. 175 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the community rules applying to 176 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: these people. Uh, they could not take communion the same 177 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: way as I guess the more legitimate people of their community. 178 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: They had to enter and sit in separate parts of 179 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: the church, and they were also buried in separate graveyards. 180 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: And when it came to the church. There are several 181 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: instances of churches that had entrances just in the back, 182 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, smaller doors that appeared to be that's what 183 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: they were for. Some of them have signs that even 184 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: have the word could go or one of these other 185 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: names referred to them as it. But there were also 186 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: a few that had strange entrances where you had to 187 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: climb up a ladder in order to get into another 188 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: ladder system inside the church. Fascinating the lengths that some 189 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: of these churches went to to separate this group of 190 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: people from the rest of their flock because they were 191 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: seen somehow as tainted dirty. Yeah. They were also not 192 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: allowed to walk bare foot, which gave rise to rumors 193 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: that their feet were webbed, and in some places they 194 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: were required to wear a badge that was occasionally in 195 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: the shape of a goose's foot. Yeah, and it was red. Yeah, 196 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: just a red badge that you had to wear hot 197 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: and red footed. I was going to say, again, sounds 198 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: familiar to historical references here. Um. Oh, and also they 199 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: were only allowed to make purchases in town on Mondays. 200 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: This is according to an eighteen account. Yeah, so this 201 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: already sounds weird, but it goes on. They were restricted 202 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: to certain trades, particularly carpentry. This led to situations in 203 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: which uh cago may end up building the very same 204 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: church that's going to persecute them and their family later 205 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: talk about a head trip. Huh A little bit, and 206 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: we're by the way. One of the great resources we 207 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: got for this was from an author named Daniel Hawkins, 208 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: who wrote paper called Cameras that degrade humanity like cago 209 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: and discrimination. So we uh, we found some other things here. 210 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: I want to read a small selection from this paper. 211 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Restrictive legislation concerning could go appeared many times after twelve 212 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: eighty eight, which is when we see more detailed municipal records. 213 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: While details differed, prohibitions typically expressed similar concerns. They required 214 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: that could go were segregated in their living quarters, occupations, 215 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and day to day interactions. They were forbidden from marrying 216 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: non couldgo. They could not enter taverns, hold cabarets, use 217 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: public fountains, sell food or wine, touch food in the market, 218 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: work with livestock, or enter a mill. They were not 219 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: allowed to carry arms other than professional tools. And this 220 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: goes to the example we talked about earlier, there was 221 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: severe and brutal punishment for transgressors. So if we go 222 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: back with our time traveling hypothetical French Matt Frederick, which, 223 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm liking this character. I see him 224 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: in a beret, but I don't know if that's historically accurate. 225 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: I don't think so, but let's go with it. What 226 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: about it? What about it? Cassic? Yes, all right, So 227 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: if we go back to that time where where our oh, Matt, 228 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: what's your French name? Pierre Pierre? Okay, alright, Pierre Frederick. 229 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: When Pierre Frederick is walking by, he may and sees 230 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: that hand being nailed to the door, he may well 231 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: have not said a word if it was familiar with 232 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: the discrimination against could go, because we know what's happened 233 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: several times one could go. Merchant was punished for touching 234 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: the main baptismal fought by having his hands severed from 235 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: his arm and nailed to a door. I don't think 236 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: it was the door of the church, but that would 237 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: be that seems like that would be a bad idea 238 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: nail a severed arm to the place where everybody hand enter, 239 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: just the hand to hand. Sure, just uh. There was 240 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: another account of a man who allegedly, uh, grew food 241 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: on his land and farmed it, and he had metal 242 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: spikes pushed through his feet as punishment. That's that's very 243 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: it's very odd, you know, and it's it's disturbing to 244 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: get when you consider that these people. Although you might 245 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: have heard them described as swarthy at some point, uh, 246 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: I also read something where they were described as being 247 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: fair skinned. Yeah. There are widely different accounts of how 248 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: what a cago looks like. Right. Rumors about them were 249 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: wide ranging, rampant stuff. We can just go down the list, right, 250 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: Oh sure. Yeah. They were viewed as heretics, like we said, 251 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: despite their regular attendants to church, despite being Catholics, they 252 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: reviewed as not being Catholic. They were accused of being lepers, 253 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: which will get into Uh. There was there were rumors 254 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: about them holding secret meetings for nefarious, unknown purposes. Yeah. Again, 255 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: we see this throughout history, Like what are they meeting 256 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: in secret about? Are they actually meeting in secret dude? 257 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: Or are you are you just a little paranoid? Anyway, 258 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: they're probably saying, hey, does everybody have their hands? Yeah? 259 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: How what are strategies we can use to not be 260 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: as persecuted. Yeah, we're pro hand h. Yeah, they're also 261 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: accused of being descendants of Ghaazi. I don't know if 262 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: I'm saying that correctly, but this was the wicked servant 263 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: of the prophet Elisha, and you know, being the children 264 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: of this person, it was believed that they were all 265 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: cursed with the curse that was placed on Ghazzi. That's 266 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: that's similar to the old Latter Day Saint policy of 267 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: discrimination against against darker skinned people, right. Uh. Yeah. Ghazzi 268 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: is a figure found in the Book of Kings. He 269 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: was in a position of power, but he was corrupt. 270 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: Rudard Kipling wrote a poem about him, but I can't 271 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: remember exactly what it was. Uh yeah. So this something, 272 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: This was something that was common in this era of Christianity, 273 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: which was to find a biblical basis, however tenuous, to 274 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: rationalize mistreatment of an individual. So it's a long book. 275 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: You read closely enough and think creatively enough, you're bound 276 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: to find something. And I want to note here. So 277 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: his big sin was avaraice, right, he was stealing stuff, 278 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: he was racking up change in his master's names, tricking people. Yeah, 279 00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: and he was guilty of duplicity. And dissan Stee. So 280 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: Elisha the prophet denounced him and passed upon him the 281 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 1: terrible doom. And this is a quote from Kings that 282 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: leprosy of Namin would leave to him and his descendants forever. Yep. 283 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: So that's where you pull some you know, someone in 284 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: the church believing that to be true, and hey, here's 285 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: someone I can apply that too. But but this curse 286 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: came with at least some allegations of dark powers, isn't 287 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, there are there are allegations that they 288 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: were sorcerers. It was believed that they could be witch cattle, 289 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: which sounds a little more fun than it probably should 290 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: to me. It sounds like the you know, of course 291 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: these are largely agricultural communities, but right now it sounds 292 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: like one of the most useless superpowers ever. Whether you're 293 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: whether you're a a villain or a hero, you're pretty 294 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: much restricted. You have to live around livestock for it 295 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: to even matter. The cattle Witcher is not going to 296 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: be a threat in New York City. Gosh, that's a 297 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: great character, though. The cattle which the cattle Witcher On 298 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: the next episode of The Cattle Witcher, Yes, it was 299 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: also believed that perhaps they have the power of the 300 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: evil eye, where if they stared at your child long enough, 301 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: or anyone really, they can cause terrible things to happen 302 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: to them. They could curse with a glance. Yeah. Uh. 303 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: And this this ties into some of the more wide 304 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: ranging accusations of paranormal ability that occur with this sort 305 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: of persecution. You'll also hear stuff about being able to 306 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: poison wells or being able to you know, when they're 307 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: talking about bewitching cattle, they're talking about the cattle falling 308 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: ill or perhaps miscarrying during birth and stuff like that. Well, yeah, 309 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: that's why they weren't allowed to touch food. It was 310 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: it was believed that any food that they touch, no 311 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: matter at what stage. That's why you can't farm, it 312 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: will rot immediately, will be soiled immediately, you cannot eat 313 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: or you know, do anything with edible objects that are 314 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: touched by these could go. That's the belief. Cattle witchers. 315 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: I'm stuck out it out, cattle witchers. Uh. Yeah. So 316 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: you also find that in the real estate, right, you 317 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: find evidence of this belief in the real estate. Oh yeah, 318 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: with these powers, that's why a lot of times you 319 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: would see there, their residences, the areas where they lived 320 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: had to be separated by somebody of water, a stream 321 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: of water, just enough to where those mystical powers can't 322 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: carry over because their beliefs about how magic operates. Today, 323 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: you're not going to hear much about the cold goo fit. 324 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 1: Families that discover this heritage in the modern day often 325 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: will hide it in fear of continuing low level discrimination 326 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: against their spouses or their children. So very very very 327 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: very very few come forward in the modern day, and 328 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: the population itself was always relatively small in comparison to 329 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, the rest of France and Spain. Uh. Now 330 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: it seems set to fade into nothingness. But there's still 331 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: so many unanswered questions, Matt, Who are these people, why 332 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: did they become the repressed class, and maybe most importantly, 333 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: where did they come from? These are all questions we're 334 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: going to look at. Right after a word from our sponsor. 335 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. No one really knows. No 336 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 1: one knows for certain where they could go originate. Yeah, 337 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: but there's some theories. There are many, many, many, many, 338 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: many theories, but they are of a varying plausibility, and 339 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: they are all somewhat fascinating. I would say, for instance, 340 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: were they the descendants of Moorish soldiers who, for instance, 341 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: during the Muslim conquest of Spain or areas of Spain 342 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: simply migrated up and out in de France, It's a possibility. 343 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: Did they begin as a guild of skilled medieval woodworkers 344 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: with their persecution rising as a form of commercial rivalry 345 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: that eventually got solidified into tradition. So people didn't know 346 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: why these dudes were dirty, but they knew that their 347 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: parents thought that what if they were Moorish medieval woodworkers? 348 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: And so this, yeah, this ties back into the question 349 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: that I earlier asked you, Matt about your first occupation. 350 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: Because the strange thing is that if we lived in 351 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: a different society, where we lived in a even a 352 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: different time period, we would overwhelmingly be likely to continue 353 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: the work that our parents did as even a guild 354 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: or caste or something, so because we would be apprentices, 355 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: hopefully if we were lucky talented. So, if your father 356 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: is a cobbler, you're a cobbler. If your father is 357 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: uh yeah, then you're an accountant. If your father is 358 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: a military officer, you follow the same thing. If your 359 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: father is a cattle witcher. Um, then you are also, 360 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're also a cattle witcher. I would gonna 361 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: let it go. I wouldna let it go. I'm not 362 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: in any way condoning the bewitchment of live stock of cattle. 363 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: They've got it tough enough, however, I am which all 364 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: the cattle that you possibly can, and then tell me 365 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: how you did it. Write to us conspiracy and how 366 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: stuff works dot com. Okay, all right, yes, yes, please 367 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: let Matt know the source of your dark Movine related powers. 368 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: So the thing that we see here that's strange is 369 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: that when people had less social mobility, when your parents 370 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: or your grandparents occupations would largely determine your own occupation, 371 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: we also see a society where certain occupations are considered 372 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: more valuable than others, or maybe a better way to 373 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: say it to certain occupations are seen as much less valuable. 374 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: For instance, executioners had some of the same laws against 375 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: their behavior as did could go in and this was 376 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: in Germany. Perhaps an executioner can't go to the bar, 377 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: can't touch food or drink around people, because the executioner, 378 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: like his father before him, makes a living by killing people. 379 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: And that's seen as you know, morally reprehensible but necessary 380 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: for society. And we see this in some other cultures, 381 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: for instance, working with hides or disposing of human waste, 382 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: like the untouchables, right, that would be that would be 383 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: a lower cast job. So and a lot of it 384 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: seems to arise from almost it's a it's a combination 385 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: of lack of scientific understanding of how some of it works, 386 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: a lack of technology for cleaning, like and being able 387 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: to cleanse oneself after working a job such as killing 388 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: people or you know, taking the hides off of animals. Sure, 389 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: you know this perception of unclean. I mean, it's rife 390 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: with disease and for germ theory. And it's true that 391 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: it is like it acts, really is so that not 392 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: having the technology also creates that system where somebody in 393 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: the historical record experienced, you know, drinking with the executioner 394 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: who happened to kill somebody who had a terrible disease 395 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: and boom next thing. You know, Yeah, I mean, well, 396 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: well no, but I can. I mean, that's just how 397 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: it happened. It's just the only way that it happens, right, 398 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: And it's something that people accept and also of course 399 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: I'm just saying couru because I like the word. The 400 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: only way that somebody can get kuru is by consuming 401 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: uh brains. Brains, yeah, which will give you those prions, um, 402 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: which are bad news. Uh. Speaking of bad news, Matty, 403 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: I just realized something. If your avatar in the Middle 404 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Ages there in the Pierre in the thirteen hundreds, right, Uh, 405 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: if if he's wearing a cassock, it makes your situation 406 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: even worse because you're probably the priest or a priest. 407 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: People have a lot to get ready for. There's a 408 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: mass later. Yeah. Yeah, you don't want him to get 409 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: your own. You maybe even want to help the guy, 410 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: but you're like, I'm not getting that filthy cago blood 411 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: on my cassock to use my shoe to open the door. 412 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: Just shoot open the door quick. Everyone check the cattle. Uh. 413 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: So there's this other idea that they were descendants of 414 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: earlier uh cultural groups, and that this somehow made them 415 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: not worthy of trust or made them tainted, made them 416 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: somehow other made them threatening to a degree. And one 417 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: would be that that they were descendants of the Goths. 418 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: The could go first appear in records as early as 419 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: the tenth century, but they became more prominent from the 420 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: thirteenth century on, and they were in both sides of 421 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: the Western Pyrenees. Uh. They lived in these small, poor, 422 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: segregated communities on the periphery of these villages and towns. 423 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: So they've been around for so long that it's easily 424 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: easily understandable that someone would rationalize persecuting them by saying, well, 425 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, you remember those other guys from centuries ago. Yeah, 426 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: it's them, don't trust them. And there are a couple 427 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: other theories about groups that came through France and Spain 428 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: as conquerors at one point or another, like the Saracens. 429 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: Like there again remnants who perhaps have um switched over 430 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: to Catholicism and now they continue to live in the 431 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: area their families do, and you know they're bad news 432 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: just because of that. Again, these are all possibilities. And 433 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: maybe then it's a range of these, Like it's a 434 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: combination of all of these things, of just people that 435 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: look other Yeah, yeah, possibly like the we'll get to 436 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: the the conspiratorial angle of this. But there are more 437 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: than you might think, because obviously we're looking at a 438 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: mainstream community that conspired to repress a very small minority. Uh, 439 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: which is odd because I think in the sixteen hundreds 440 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: the could go or maybe two percent of the population. 441 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: So never never in large numbers. Um, Although I did 442 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: really remember some some other stuff I wanted to mention. 443 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you found this in your research, 444 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: some more specificity about could go so like you and 445 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: I said, they were described as fair skinned by some, 446 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: as swarthy by others, dark skinned, dark skinned, lights in 447 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: the earlobes. That's the thing, that's why I wanted to mention. 448 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: And they supposedly lacked ear lobes and were miss magicians. 449 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: Sorcerers had an infectious, terrible odor. They're always accused of 450 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: smelling bad. And they gave off great heat. Here's a 451 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: quote when the south wind blew their lips, jugular glands 452 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: and the duck foot mark under their left armpit all swelled. 453 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: What yeah, so uh they okay? So they are considered 454 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: to be smelly, to have these strange physical ailments, and 455 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: that goes to one of their biggest rash, one of 456 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: the biggest rationalizations for persecuting these people, which was that 457 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: they are lepers and Cretans. So I'm familiar with lepers, 458 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: that would be Uh, several. I know that encompasses several 459 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: different diseases of the time, but a lot of it 460 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: has to do with infectious disease that could be transmitted 461 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: easily if interacting with this person, right, and that would 462 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: make sense. Uh, make sure these people aren't interacting with 463 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: the everyday public as to not kill everyone in the village, right, 464 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean that that makes sense. Yeah. So one of 465 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: the prevailing beliefs among historians about the cold Goo is 466 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: that leprosy was the essence of this phenomenon. People used 467 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: to think that leprosy was inherited, right, a poison the 468 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: generations and the blood. However, even after people knew that 469 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: leprosy was not a purely inherited trait, you know, that 470 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: could communicate between unrelated people. Uh. Some authors consider the 471 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: could Go to be a special case of hereditary lepers, uh, 472 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: that the disease was just kind of concentrated in them. However, 473 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: another writer said that maybe what happens, maybe the birth 474 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: of the could Go when the records were appearing in 475 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: the tenth century, started when people who were already infected 476 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: with something and considered lepers banded together on the periphery 477 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: of a town solidarity and to yeah, to make their own, 478 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: make their own village, and that later you know, their 479 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: descendants were affected by the stigma of the disease even 480 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: though they didn't carry it. They just came from that 481 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: crappy home situation. So the weird thing is though that, 482 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: aside from you know, these vestigial treats, these vestigial rules 483 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: of you know, don't touch stuff with your hands, don't 484 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: go through the same door, et cetera. Uh, people seemed 485 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: to interact. They seemed to exist in the community. You know, 486 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: if they were doing woodworking, you would still take a 487 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: table from the person. Somehow, somehow the wood was fine. 488 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: Somehow the wood was fine. Yeah. Also, we know that 489 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: groups of could Go were proven not to have leprosy. 490 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: In six after decades of dispute, people complained of discrimination. 491 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: Could Go complain this discrimination to Parliament and they gave 492 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: them a thorough medical examination. They examined twenty two people, 493 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: all carpenters or joiners, and they exams at this time, 494 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: we're not we're not the turn your head and cough 495 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: inconveniences of the modern age. These people had their bodies palpated, 496 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: their arms were bled. Uh, they applied heated cups to 497 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: them to check their sir ppulation, and the doctors came 498 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: back with the results and they said, well, these are 499 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: just the ordinary people. Uh there, fine, they're in the quota. 500 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: Is there in all health in their body, exempt from 501 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: all contagious maladies and without any disposition to those maladies 502 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: requiring them to be separated from the company of other 503 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: healthy people. So they blew it out of water. Yeah, 504 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: they didn't find any quote, peculiar diseases. But leprosy at 505 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: the time was not considered purely a specific physical ailment. 506 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: In earlier years, it was more of a umbrella or 507 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: catch all description for possibly a spiritual things. Your your 508 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: body could be fine, but you might be morally or 509 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: spiritually leprous. That's why they could go. We're also occasionally 510 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: called white lepers, which is just a very un appealing 511 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 1: name that Well, could it simply be that they were 512 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: discriminated against because as they were poor, We know that 513 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 1: the state of the poor in France and Spain at 514 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: the time was the social position was very very different. 515 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: It was considered an affront to have to see the poor. Yeah, 516 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: but then there are accounts at least from that reference 517 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: that I gave, where the poor people the peasants are 518 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: the ones who are prosecuting the could go. They're the 519 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: most opposed. So that's the chicken and negg thing. Was 520 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: their poverty results of this discrimination or was the discrimination 521 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: result of the poverty? I tend to think the former. 522 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: But you're right, and we see this in modern societies 523 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: today too. If you want people to be satisfied with 524 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: their position in an unfair hierarchy, all you have to 525 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: do is put at least one more wrong on the 526 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: ladder below them, Give them someone to look down on, 527 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: and they will stop looking up to wonder what's happening 528 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: at the top. That is unfortunate and too true, too true. Uh. 529 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: It seems that later the rise of racially based accusations 530 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: like oh these sworely Moorish soldiers or whatever, that they 531 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: came about after the decline of leprosy, after the climb 532 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: physical threat from disease, meaning that the racism happened afterwards 533 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: to rationalize the pre existing prejudice. You know, that's so crazy. Yeah, 534 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: it's so disturbing. If it's not one thing, it's another. Well, 535 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,879 Speaker 1: what I found. What I found is that the way 536 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: a lot of these with these rumors that we discussed earlier, 537 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: and all these things that that could go were purportedly 538 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: to be able to do and smell like and all 539 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: these things. A lot of it was handed down through 540 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: songs that were the they called them party songs that 541 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: would be spread in probably a tavern where it's the 542 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: again the peasants all drinking together. And this makes so 543 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: much sense to me now, been drinking together singing about 544 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: the rung of the ladder that's below them, uh, to 545 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: make themselves feel better. I can totally see that now 546 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: as Pierre in the tavern. Uh wow, this that is 547 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: really disturbing. Yeah, ah, no kidding. And here's here's another thing. 548 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: Next question. Right, we were probably never gonna have an 549 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: answer about where where this group of people came from, 550 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: where they actually came from, and why they were originally persecuted. 551 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: We just have those best guesses and sadly we are 552 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,919 Speaker 1: probably not going to find out because I know there's 553 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: so many people in the audience now who are probably 554 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: yelling at the speaker DNA, you guys, just do the 555 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: DNA tests. Fantastic point. If there were someone to do 556 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: a DNA test on you can read. Probably the most 557 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: recent thing you can read about this disappearing group of 558 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,439 Speaker 1: people is an article in The Independent from about two 559 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: thousand and eight where one one woman from the French Pyrenees, 560 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: Marie Pierre huh MiNet Bezet, as talking about her ancestry. 561 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: At the time, she was a forty something mother of three, 562 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: and she was being billed as the last living Cago, 563 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: or at least the last one who will admit to 564 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: being Cago. And they say it's a bad thing. She said, 565 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: it's still a bad thing in the mountains in two 566 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: tho eight. Uh the French are a shamed of what 567 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: they did they could go or shamed of what they were, 568 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: and no one will confess that they could go descent. 569 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: So this means that h This means that this entire concept, 570 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: whatever was based on, is disappearing because now the conspiracy 571 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 1: has shifted. It went from mainstream French communities conspiring to 572 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: essentially make life hell and keep these people at the 573 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: bottom of the social barrel, to a conspiracy by those 574 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: people's descendants, by the could go descendants to escape and 575 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: erase their past, just like that guy in Gataga played 576 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: by Ethan Hawk. Great movie Thank you. They thank you, 577 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: thank you, to go back to to go back to 578 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: um rebe Pierre really fast. Yes. At the very end 579 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: of that article, she they're asking about her children, because 580 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: she has several children. And the big thing she says, 581 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I can't show you pictures of 582 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 1: my children because of the stigma. It remains so much 583 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: in this area today. You can't. You can't even know 584 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: my children. Look at just in case. And she also 585 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: says that could go. She's one of the people who 586 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: says that could go or described as swarthy or as 587 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,959 Speaker 1: darker skinned. Postiferous. Yes, they called the postiferous people, which 588 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: has an unfortunate ring to it. And with this, we 589 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: with this, we end our narrative of the could go. 590 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: This the shifting social conspiracy first of a group of 591 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: a mainstream group too essentially enslave, socially bind a group, 592 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: and then that group's collective effort to end itself. It's 593 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: very successful effort to do so. But these are not 594 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: the old vanishing people in the world. We know that 595 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: there are several other examples, right, the Aromanians UH and 596 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 1: the Russians who are both mentioned in the article, and 597 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: the Independent UH. The Aromanians the day back to Roman colonization. 598 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: They're spread across the southern Balkans, but they're believed to 599 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: be almost extinct or their cultural identity and evidence of 600 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: their culture lives on with some Grecian festivals. And then 601 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: the Russians are they're around one point two million expected 602 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: to ar estimated to live in Europe, over half of 603 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: them or in the Ukraine. They're not recognized by Ukraine 604 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: because of the communist regime of the fifties and that's 605 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: the time their church was also eradicated. But but they're 606 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: responsible for a lot of those beautiful wooden churches that 607 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: you can see in the area. One of the points 608 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: here is that our species doesn't, you know, just lose memories, 609 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: doesn't just lose cities, which we've covered, doesn't just lose civilizations, No, 610 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: it also loses entire cultures, entire groups of people who 611 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: who are alike by blood, who are also alike by 612 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: language and by custom. You know. Then one of the 613 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: other things we lose our entire animal species. I know 614 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: that's another podcast, but yeah, that's another podcast too. Uh. 615 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: And it's true, unfortunately, but it is also true that 616 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: now in the modern age, we have the ability to 617 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: preserve some of this stuff, and we have the ability, thinks, 618 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 1: to rise of easily affordable recording technology. Two preserve some 619 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: piece of the past, some knowledge, some essence of the 620 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: days and the people that came before. And that's why 621 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,279 Speaker 1: I would suggest this is just my opinion, but I 622 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: would suggest to all of you out there listening to this, 623 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: whether in twenty sixteen or twenty one oh six, don't 624 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: hesitate to if you have older family members, or if 625 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: you have someone older in your community and you think 626 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: that that community is not long for this world, because 627 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: it happens every civilization rises and falls. You can easily 628 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: take a second to just interview them and record their answers, 629 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,920 Speaker 1: and it's something that you will like and and your 630 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: kids will like, and on and on on and on 631 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: and nobody has to be a cattle witcher. So with 632 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 1: that being said, before we head out today, it's time 633 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:57,760 Speaker 1: for ours shut at corners. We have a single shout 634 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 1: out to give today. It is is from redacted. That's 635 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna call that, uh, and here it goes. 636 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: I'm a military psychiatrist currently in residency training. So when 637 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: you ask for stories from people who use mind altering 638 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: drugs in the military. Well, it's kind of my thing. 639 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: Regarding drugs in general, all active duty personnel get randomly 640 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: drug tested frequently, and unless you have very good medical 641 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: reason to be on a drug, you're likely going to 642 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: be dishonorably discharged. Yeah, we're going to continue reading just 643 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: some excerpts from redacted email, which is fantastic by the 644 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: way he says or she says. Regarding uppers, Yes, some 645 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: are still used, but to a substantially lesser degree than 646 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,919 Speaker 1: you might suspect. Uh. Provigil, which is the brand name 647 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: for modafinil, is a non amphetamine stimulant vastly preferred over 648 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: amphetamine derivatives. We still don't know exactly how it works, 649 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: but it seems to simulate alpha brainwave activity while decree 650 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: seen delta and data waves, effectively simulating wakefulness regarding amphetamines. 651 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: While a d h D is still probably underdiagnosed, chances 652 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,439 Speaker 1: are if you've made it through basic training, you don't 653 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: need a d h D. Meads personally, I hate them. 654 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: I've seen several sailors and marines get kicked out of 655 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: the service after getting caught using them to try and 656 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: boost their performance. I've also seen several service members get 657 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: tipped over into a frank psychosis that appears to have 658 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 1: been triggered by amphetamine overdoses. It's scary, it's dangerous, and 659 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,240 Speaker 1: I keep my sailors as far away from the stuff 660 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: as possible. And then about battlefield medications. All sorts of 661 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: really crazy stuff goes down a firefight. Sometimes you cannot 662 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: afford to lose a riflemen, no matter what the cause. 663 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: We have combinations of common medicines that can keep a 664 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: trigger puller in the fight for longer than nature would allow. 665 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: But it's last ditch kind of move and deeply frowned 666 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: upon by almost all medical professionals. That is fascinating that 667 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: that one particular he talks about new tropics, which may 668 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: be something that you heard from the Joe Rogan podcast 669 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,799 Speaker 1: or somewhere else. That's how I heard about them. And 670 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: the person writing this email says, I have personally cared 671 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 1: for patients that have had substantially catastrophic reactions from trying 672 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,240 Speaker 1: to get a quote Bradley Cooper in limitless unquote state, 673 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: and these people have crashed and burned on the way there. 674 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: I strongly advise the patients avoid this type of supplicant, 675 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:30,720 Speaker 1: supplement or medication. So it finishes up talking about withdrawal. Said, 676 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,120 Speaker 1: in the vast majority of cases, morphine withdrawal cannot kill you. 677 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: They say it's awful, it's painful, squatesque, but unlikely to 678 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 1: be life threatening. Nowhere nearest dangerous is opiate overdose. And 679 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: so it says, hope that helps. If you have any 680 00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: other questions about medicine, psychiatry, the military, particularly military medicine, 681 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,640 Speaker 1: I'd be happy to share what I can. Thanks so 682 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: much for writing in redacted. We appreciate We appreciate your 683 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 1: time immensely. Thank you. Yeah, and we'd like to hear 684 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:05,560 Speaker 1: from um you ladies, gentlemen, other folks identifying otherwise werewolves, 685 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: which is cattle Witcher's right, definitely those. 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