WEBVTT - Community Preparedness Basics with Live Like the World is Dying

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media, Hi everyone, and welcome to it could

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<v Speaker 1>happen here, a very special edition of It could Happen Here,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we are very lucky to be joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Inland from Lift The World Is Dying and what will

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<v Speaker 1>be the first of many crossover episodes where the folks

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<v Speaker 1>from Strangely Tangled Wouldness are going to share with us

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<v Speaker 1>some of their preparedness advice. Welcome to the show. Would

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<v Speaker 1>like to introduce yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks so much for having me, James. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>Man Marowin and I use they then pronouns, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>one of the hosts of Love Like the World Is Dying,

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<v Speaker 2>your podcast for What Feels Like the End Times, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a lefty prepper podcast about community and individual preparedness

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<v Speaker 2>for disasters of all kinds. And really excited to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the show with you. Yeah, on a different show,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're on that show with me sometime, which is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Yeah, I'm bringing together the two like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there's a superhero reference I could make here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't really understand that wild say I won't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either. Great, Okay, two people talking about a

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<v Speaker 1>thing they don't understand that is what podcasts are sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>but not today. What are we going to talk about today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I'm really excited to talk about today is

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<v Speaker 2>preparedness in general, how community preparedness differs from some more

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<v Speaker 2>conventional modalities, and being really nice with that phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one way of saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>How individual preparedness fits into community preparedness, and kind of

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<v Speaker 2>about my own journey into prepper stuff or preparedness, which

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<v Speaker 2>might be a new term for some people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like to call.

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<v Speaker 2>It preparedness over like prepping as a term sort of

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<v Speaker 2>because like, I don't know, Like if I say I'm

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<v Speaker 2>into prepping, then people start to give me funny looks

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<v Speaker 2>and think I want to live in a bunker with

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand cans of beans and more guns than I

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do with. Yeah, But if I say

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<v Speaker 2>I'm into preparedness, people are like, ooh, I know who

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<v Speaker 2>to call if I need help with something or get

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<v Speaker 2>in a jam, you know. Yeah, Yeah, And it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of exactly that sentiment that I want listeners to think

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<v Speaker 2>of when they think of preparedness is what connections and

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<v Speaker 2>resources we have for when things go wrong, and how

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to respond to disasters of all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>when we're faced with them, because having a plan kind

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<v Speaker 2>of makes things less scary, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, I feel safeer approaching bad things because I've

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<v Speaker 1>approached bad things with my friends and we have gone

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<v Speaker 1>through them and we've helped other people get through them. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think a lot of people engage in preparedness

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<v Speaker 2>without really realizing this. I feel like i'd ask these

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<v Speaker 2>questions to you on a less rhetorical basis if I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know them to be true. But for instance, listener,

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<v Speaker 2>do you keep tools and a snack in your car

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<v Speaker 2>in case you break down on the side of the road,

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<v Speaker 2>or if your car won't start? Do you have a

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<v Speaker 2>friend that will take a look at it for you

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<v Speaker 2>and help you fix it. If so, then congratulations, you're

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<v Speaker 2>into preparedness for a very specific kind of disaster. And

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<v Speaker 2>now we just have to figure out how to apply

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<v Speaker 2>that to other disasters, whether it's your car breaking down,

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<v Speaker 2>the climate breaking down, or the world as we know

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<v Speaker 2>it breaking down, because unfortunately, with the world as it

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<v Speaker 2>is right now, as Margaret has said before, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>preppers now. Yeah, I don't know, it's something that makes

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about disaster just less scary, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately kind of one of the best reasons of like

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<v Speaker 2>why we should get into preparedness is because it makes

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<v Speaker 2>things less scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, and I think it gives you if you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing it right, And I think this is something we

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<v Speaker 1>can get into, Like you realize how much your community

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<v Speaker 1>can get through if you will have each other rather

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<v Speaker 1>than necessarily the alternative that the other modality that you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about, it is theoretically thinking how much you could

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<v Speaker 1>get through whilst never helping anyone. Yeah, and that's very

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<v Speaker 1>different things. Yeah, yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, listeners, we're talking about kind of

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<v Speaker 2>more traditional like bunker mentality prepping, which we'll get into Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit later, but that is my euphemism so

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<v Speaker 2>far as more conventional modality.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, like, can you give some ideas of like

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<v Speaker 1>why people might want to get into preparedness, what they

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<v Speaker 1>might want to be prepared for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, so many things. The list is kind of endless,

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<v Speaker 2>which is yeah, which is unfortunate, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to overwhelm overwhelm people, but there's just a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things and new things are emerging every day. But the

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<v Speaker 2>first step of preparedness is kind of identifying what your

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<v Speaker 2>threat model is, or really just asking yourself, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like what are you personally worried about for yourself or

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<v Speaker 2>for your community, and some kind of like larger categories

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<v Speaker 2>that we can lump that stuff into. Is I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like what comes to mind for people immediately probably is

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<v Speaker 2>natural disasters. They're ever more frequent, They're growing in intensity

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<v Speaker 2>and happening in more places. People who never thought they

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<v Speaker 2>would become climate refugees are now becoming climate refugees. I

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<v Speaker 2>still live on a chunk of land, and like we

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<v Speaker 2>got flooded out. We lived in a hundred year floodplain.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, yeah, I know it's not once every hundred years,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not how it works. But like our time came,

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<v Speaker 2>we got flooded out. Yeah, there's my migration. This could

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<v Speaker 2>be due to climate change, political upheaval, economic reasons, family bigotry,

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<v Speaker 2>and obvious tie into this. Right now is everything going

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<v Speaker 2>on with ice raids where a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 2>being displaced and either trying to return to their homes

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<v Speaker 2>or find new ones. And there's also like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a lot of people like in more conservative

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<v Speaker 2>states in the US, who for instance, are trans or

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<v Speaker 2>have trans people that are in their family or in

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<v Speaker 2>their close friend group and are deciding whether they need

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<v Speaker 2>to move somewhere else or at least come up with

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<v Speaker 2>an escape plan if things get worse where they are,

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<v Speaker 2>And the same is true for like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maintaining access to abortion. Everything is very different in very

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<v Speaker 2>different places or very close spaces, even in the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think a lot of people who never

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<v Speaker 2>thought they'd need to think about migration are now thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>A big problem with how migration is reported on in

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<v Speaker 1>America is that like people who are migrants have seen

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<v Speaker 1>as like some kind of subcategory of humans, you know, totally. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a person who can get pregnant, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>a person who might consider, in whatever circumstances, accessing abortion,

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<v Speaker 1>then in some states you need to be prepared to

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<v Speaker 1>become a migrant, like a yeah, relatively very short notice, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's something that we're all closer to than we think. Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Another big one is kind of like larger economic, social,

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<v Speaker 2>or political collapse, you know, simply meaning that like the

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<v Speaker 2>structures of the world, no longer mean what they used

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<v Speaker 2>to mean. This could mean the collapse of capitalism or

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<v Speaker 2>capitalism turning more into like literal corporate feudalism. Another big

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<v Speaker 2>one is I'm just have this broad category of war.

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<v Speaker 2>This could be an invasion, a civil war, a revolution,

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<v Speaker 2>a rise in right wing militias, another rise in right

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<v Speaker 2>wing militias, whatever. I'm kind of neglecting some more fantastical

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<v Speaker 2>apocalypses that I'm sure we can all imagine, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are those we might wake up as fungus, you know

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<v Speaker 2>who can say. And then lastly, there's the current disaster

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<v Speaker 2>that is late stage capitalism. And this one is the

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<v Speaker 2>one that I spend the most time thinking about because

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<v Speaker 2>it's the one that's ever present in our lives currently

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of informs and maybe creates a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the other larger threats I just mentioned, Yeah, except becoming fungus.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yet yeah maybe, Yeah, we're doing a lot with

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<v Speaker 1>the the old whatever rfkas into idea of Ministry of health.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not cool that health and human services. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is the one that, like, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>disaster that people don't often like see because it's slow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it kills us slowly rather than quick and it kills

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<v Speaker 1>us quickly. Yeah, talking of killing us slowly in it

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<v Speaker 1>my obligation to pivot to adverts is slowly killing my

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<v Speaker 1>soul that I have to do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we this is new for me. We don't have

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<v Speaker 2>these little livel like the world that is dying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know. I thought i'd take the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to leave the second one up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have a swing at it. All right, thank

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<v Speaker 1>Let's break it down for people in like a very

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<v Speaker 1>basic sense. If that's okay, how do we start being

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<v Speaker 1>more prepared? Like I imagine the first step would be to

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<v Speaker 1>immediately go to a federal firearms license. Se is that right? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>That is that is the first step. It is to

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<v Speaker 2>fill your bunker with guns. No, that's that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>first step because you can eat them. Yes, and no

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<v Speaker 2>jokes aside. So the first step we just talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it before that break is determine your threat. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of let's use earthquakes as an example.

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<v Speaker 2>If you live somewhere with earthquakes, then your threat model

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<v Speaker 2>should probably include earthquakes, you might prepare for earthquakes more

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<v Speaker 2>than you might prepare for wildfires too. The second step

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<v Speaker 2>is make a plan, which means like, when there's an earthquake,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to do X and Y and meet so

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<v Speaker 2>and so at blank. Yeah, you can also include not

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<v Speaker 2>living somewhere with earthquakes anymore as part of your make

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<v Speaker 2>a plan, because maybe that's just the one thing you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to deal with. The next part is acquire

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<v Speaker 2>the parts of the plan and so like, if your

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<v Speaker 2>plan includes resources, which everyone's plan should include a go bag,

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<v Speaker 2>an escape route, and any kind of equipment that you need.

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<v Speaker 2>And at this point you're mostly ready. I maybe would

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<v Speaker 2>add to collaborate with others. And then this step gets

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<v Speaker 2>missed a lot. But at this point, since you're mostly ready,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully you can let go of some anxiety and despair.

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<v Speaker 2>You've done the hardest part, which is to get started,

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully you can we can feel comfort in that

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<v Speaker 2>if we can't forestall a disaster, that we can at

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<v Speaker 2>least be ready for it, and then act on the plan,

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<v Speaker 2>do the thing, and assess what you can do better

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<v Speaker 2>next time. Yeah, that's those are my basic steps. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is makes it seem also simple.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so simple. Yeah, obviously we will spend a love

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<v Speaker 1>time in the next few months breaking down each of

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<v Speaker 1>those steps and explaining them for people. Yeah. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I live in a place where wildfires are common. In

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<v Speaker 1>my time living in California, I've been evacuated for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of fires. I've had an earthquake, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>had a fewer than natural disasters. Of course, earth quake

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<v Speaker 1>channels had become fives they did in San Francisco. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would not make sense if you live where I

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<v Speaker 1>live to not have a plan for that. You would

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<v Speaker 1>be being naive. Yeah, it's that like a story like

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<v Speaker 1>that for you, Like, is there a thing did you

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<v Speaker 1>did you? Like, you know, have to evacuate for a

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<v Speaker 1>wildfire and you couldn't find your shoes like what?

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<v Speaker 2>So one of my funny things was living on this

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<v Speaker 2>land project and like we were we were experiencing a flood.

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<v Speaker 2>We were experiencing what could have very easily been a

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<v Speaker 2>flash flood, and I was trying to just convince people

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<v Speaker 2>to leave, and I had a hard time convincing people

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<v Speaker 2>to leave. Yeah, Like there was like water up to

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<v Speaker 2>our chests and this is my answer now, But my

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<v Speaker 2>answer that I wrote about for this episode is so

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of preliad. In the first episode of

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<v Speaker 2>Live Like the World Is Dying, Margaret talks with Kittie

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<v Speaker 2>Striker about anarchists, and Margaret talks about the possibilities that

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<v Speaker 2>she's preparing for, which she identifies as kind of these

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<v Speaker 2>four possibilities, living like the world is going to end,

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<v Speaker 2>and that we might not survive, living like the world

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<v Speaker 2>is going to end, and we can try to survive,

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<v Speaker 2>living like we can prevent the end of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and then maybe trying to live like the world isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to end after all. And I got into preparedness

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of reasons, some of which evolved over time.

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<v Speaker 2>It went from something that felt scary to something that

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<v Speaker 2>feels comforting, and I hope that it can become comforting

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<v Speaker 2>for other people. I hope that's where a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you can land who are listening who are either new

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<v Speaker 2>to the concept or think that prepping is only for

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<v Speaker 2>people who expect to need to survive for thirty years

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<v Speaker 2>in a bunker after a nuclear, zombie, bio apokarev or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>eating canned beans. I'm really harping on this image because

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's what a lot of people think of

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<v Speaker 2>when they think of prepping. You know, beans bunker, a

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<v Speaker 2>little battie, and the fourth maybe lesser known one billionaires

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<v Speaker 2>or the four bees of the apocalypse, as I want

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<v Speaker 2>to think about them, to kind of confront this as

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<v Speaker 2>like a word, this like apocalypse. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of apocalypses, and whether we like it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>if it isn't already here, it's coming. And for some

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<v Speaker 2>people it's coming swiftly, for others it's slowly, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is coming. And billionaires are preparing for it, even if

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<v Speaker 2>they want us to think their tech will save the world.

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<v Speaker 2>They have all the money and resources, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>still worried. And while they'll try to use their money

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<v Speaker 2>in power to kind of escape the consequences becoming a

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<v Speaker 2>billionaire has had on the world, most people probably don't

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<v Speaker 2>have access to those kinds of resources. But what we

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<v Speaker 2>all do have access to our social and community ties,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it might not seem like that now. And oddly,

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<v Speaker 2>these social ties are things that billionaires often lack, or

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<v Speaker 2>doubt the authenticity of, or just can't comprehend Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>this article by Douglas Ruscoff. This tech consultant who gets

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<v Speaker 2>flown out to the desert to talk to rich people

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<v Speaker 2>about collapse, and he's surprised because they don't really ask

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<v Speaker 2>him about tech stuff. They ask him about like maintaining

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<v Speaker 2>social control over the people that work for them when

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<v Speaker 2>money no longer means anything. And I'm like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>do maybe make like more authentic friendships, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe don't rely on having people so

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<v Speaker 1>subservient to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I think this kind of air quotes conundrum

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<v Speaker 2>speaks a lot to people's fears about collapse and is

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<v Speaker 2>what gets people into a bunker mentality. You know, everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>worried about roving bands of armed people taking what they've

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<v Speaker 2>prepared for their own survival. And I think that is

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<v Speaker 2>a fantasy that we don't really see happen in real

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<v Speaker 2>life as often as we might think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've reported from plenty of natural and human created disasters.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it is the opposite of that. Like, we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this another time, but it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons I can keep doing it. Like, despite being hugely traumatic,

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<v Speaker 1>is it's actually incredible how much people go out of

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<v Speaker 1>their way when they're thoroughly miserable to help other people

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<v Speaker 1>who they see is needing help. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a really beautiful thing. Yeah, to be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a word nerd real quick. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone who talks about prepping has talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>etymological origins of the word apocalypse. But it is very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting and I think it's relevant, which is like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's from these two Greek words appo and colliptine, which

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<v Speaker 2>means like often to conceal, and so like a more

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<v Speaker 2>literal translation of it is a revealing and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that disaster really reveals things. It reveals the ways that

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<v Speaker 2>society has really like bailed. It reveals the consequences of

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<v Speaker 2>what living in a corporate oligarchy looks like. And it

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<v Speaker 2>also reveals like what beautiful and powerful things people have

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<v Speaker 2>built as communities and prepared for to give like a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a positive spin on a grim, grim

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<v Speaker 2>grim word.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, Like when I think about that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>about like two years ago, I was in the Marshal

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<v Speaker 1>Islands right where like the apocalypse has come, right, the

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<v Speaker 1>atomic bomb has dropped on the Marshal Islands. The United States.

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<v Speaker 1>We did that, and the sea levels a rising such

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<v Speaker 1>that like children born there today won't die there, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they probably won't even have their own children there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty forty years left, and I didn't see like

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<v Speaker 1>people fighting each other for the highest point of land. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw people taking care of one another, thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>how like not just like that individual, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>could maintain their assets, but how their community could survive,

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<v Speaker 1>how their culture could survive, and you know, how they

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<v Speaker 1>could keep the things the incredible hospitality is so special

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<v Speaker 1>to them, which I thought was like very revealing compared

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<v Speaker 1>to this sort of mindset that you see more conventionally

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<v Speaker 1>in like prempa spaces. Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>And to finally get to my own kind of little

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<v Speaker 2>journey into preparedness, Yeah, I wasn't a prepper until like

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<v Speaker 2>not that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>When I first heard Live Like the World Is Dying,

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<v Speaker 2>it was twenty twenty. COVID was still new. There was

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<v Speaker 2>like extreme civil unrest because there was an uprising going

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<v Speaker 2>on and the same fascist that's our sitting president now

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<v Speaker 2>was our president then, and he was backed up by

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<v Speaker 2>people like Kyle Rittenhouse who were gunning people down in

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<v Speaker 2>streets for protesting a racist murder where I lived in

0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.439
<v Speaker 2>entire mountain range was also on fire. Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that it was the coolest summer I might ever

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<v Speaker 2>remember was still setting in. And then I heard about

0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Margaret doing live like the World Is Dying, and I

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<v Speaker 2>actually refused to listen to it because I knew with

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<v Speaker 2>every fiber of my body that things were irrevocably different,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to stick my head in the sand,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like, not because I was scared, but because

0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.360
<v Speaker 2>getting prepared is overwhelming, and I didn't have any clue

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<v Speaker 2>where to begin. Like I was a scrappy punk. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have like thousands of dollars to spend on gear

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<v Speaker 2>and stockpiling food and guns and shit, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it felt for a while like preparedness was

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<v Speaker 2>only for people who had a lot of money, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd be left behind. But I did eventually listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the show because Margaret's my friend and I trusted

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<v Speaker 2>she had good things to say, and because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a show about beginnings and I needed one. And so

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<v Speaker 2>as I listened, I slowly started to warm up to

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that preparedness wasn't just necessary, but that it

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<v Speaker 2>was also very much within my reach, especially in the

0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 2>framework of community preparedness. Yeah, and you know who can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a lot about community preparedness.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's that? I think these lovely sponsors.

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<v Speaker 2>Or advertisements or products that we're about to hear about.

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<v Speaker 1>I sure hope. So we are back. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic ad transition, first of many. Hopefully it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 1>apparently beginning ads for like some kind of gold company

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<v Speaker 1>that is also sanctioned by God God that that is,

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<v Speaker 1>just just to be clear, not the way to go

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of community preparedness that the precious Metals route.

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<v Speaker 1>This one we're not advising here. Can you explain the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between those two modalities, because I think, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>I still when Margaret was asking me if I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to do live like the World is dying, she was like, oh,

0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 1>because James is like when we did an episode together,

0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Ande go back. She's like, oh, ye, James, like at

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Lefty Prepper a community preparing And I was like, WHOA,

0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that's not me. I'm not going to be on the

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Discovery Channel show, you know, like where do people shoot

0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:14.480
<v Speaker 1>themselves on camera? But Noy didn't too clearly kill themselves

0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.399
<v Speaker 1>that they handle their firearms in an unsafe manner and

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 1>hurt themselves totally. So let's explain, like, let's break down

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<v Speaker 1>the good and the bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's kind of a tension between them, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and between like what I'll call community preparedness and like

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<v Speaker 2>bunker syndrome prepping.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the image that prepping brings to mind for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people is like a right wing alpha dude

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<v Speaker 2>in a bunker with a dragon horde of preserved food

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<v Speaker 2>and more guns than anyone could ever use. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>an image of one person against the world. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, Okay, your fantasy apocalypse happens. You survive

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear apocalypse, Armed gangs rove the wastelands, food is

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<v Speaker 2>hoarded and fought over, and you're protecting your bunker and

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<v Speaker 2>then what, you know, what happens next? How do you

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<v Speaker 2>build back a world alone? What is the world if

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<v Speaker 2>you're alone? And not only like we've talked about that,

0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 2>we mentioned this earlier, but like, I don't I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is not only like a fantasy, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. I think historically in disasters and the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we can make it through disasters, I think is

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<v Speaker 2>not based on how many resources we have hoarded, but

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<v Speaker 2>based on our abilities to make and maintain community friendship

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<v Speaker 2>and connections. You know, it's a trope, but the real

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<v Speaker 2>horde in the bunker was the friendship all along, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, but you know, we do need

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to produce and preserve food and build stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't have to do it alone in a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Our greatest resource is help from people that we care

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<v Speaker 2>about and potential new friends. And it's sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming amount of skills that come with the bunker syndrome

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<v Speaker 2>that I think causes a lot of people to become

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelmed by starting to prepare. And the traditional prepper community,

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 2>it's it's very right wing conservative, and it really makes

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.639
<v Speaker 2>it seem like every single person has to learn every

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:13.280
<v Speaker 2>skill they could possibly need in order to get prepared. Yeah,

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>And I think part of that kind of bunker syndrome

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 2>is also maybe that you have to learn all that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on your own because you low key think that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone you know is going to turn on you, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, because you've been an odious piece of shit

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<v Speaker 1>for your entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And again, make better friends, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I used to think that like preparedness was

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who'd never really experienced genuine hardship,

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>wondering what it might be like probably is, yeah, a

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of it is, right because like if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>just like poor or otherwise facing like like trans folks

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:56.200
<v Speaker 1>right now, right even like anyone really in their LGBTQIA area,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's scary right now, and you've probably found that

0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.399
<v Speaker 1>the things are keeping going to other people, yeah, and

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 1>not your pile of beans. And like I certainly have

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:09.879
<v Speaker 1>not experienced what transfercts are experiencing, but like I've had

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 1>some difficult times and I've been poor, and like it's

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>always been like other people who have come through for me,

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<v Speaker 1>not stuff I had or even skills I have, really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there's this real divide between like there's

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<v Speaker 1>people who are in fantasy bunker land, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>people who are like, yeah, either too afraid to think

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>about preparedness or feel too overwhelmed to think about it,

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 1>or think that yeah, they can't possibly do it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's too far gone already. And I think preparedness is

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone, you know, like we say start small, put

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.080
<v Speaker 1>food away every week, start to get your go back together.

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<v Speaker 1>Just start. Yeah.

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 2>And so to maybe now to find like what community

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.520
<v Speaker 2>preparedness is is. I think that it's what we get

0:24:58.560 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 2>when we take a lot of different prins and mash

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>them together.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like part mutual aid, it's part individual preparedness. It's

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:10.399
<v Speaker 2>principles of autonomy, solidarity, direct action, and collective decision making,

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's all synthesized into a kind of.

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 1>A beautiful little alchemy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of the most like anarchistic thing you can do,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really fun to me.

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think it really means investing in the people

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<v Speaker 2>around you so that you can all invest in collective survival.

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.840
<v Speaker 2>And I know we mentioned this earlier, but like there's

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<v Speaker 2>this thing that happens during disasters that gets referred to

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<v Speaker 2>as disaster communism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, have you heard that one? Yeah? Yeah. It doesn't

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>mean that like Lenin emerges and leads a vanguard group

0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 1>to show you where the pupercation's at.

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, It means that the logic of

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>capital is kind of temporarily suspended and people just help

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>each other for free, not even for barter for free,

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 2>and like people like go out and just give out

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff they have in excess, even if they purchased it,

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<v Speaker 2>and even if they're like you don't look like the

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of people I like, just give.

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<v Speaker 1>It out, yeah, one hundred percent, Like yeah, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like I can think of a few, Like I can

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 1>remember when thousands of people were being housed outside in

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 1>the cold and when wet at the border house is

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.160
<v Speaker 1>not the word I would use, corlt in the desert.

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I was out there with my friends and like we

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>looked like dirty crusspunk people, right, Like we were not

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>like clean and well put together in that sense, right,

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Like we just scruffed totally, and that's fine, and I

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 1>like being scrubbed. Yeah that's nice. But like, yeah, it

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>was amazing to see like folks who one hundred percent

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>do not have the same politics as me, like roll

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:45.840
<v Speaker 1>out and whatever, like set ups you know they had

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 1>and like be like, yo, this is fucked luckily, Like

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:50.959
<v Speaker 1>I have some stuff that I was going to use

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:52.919
<v Speaker 1>for a barbecue next week, so I will drag my

0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 1>barbecue out here and cook for people or like yeah,

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you know people who cook for their church's bake sale,

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:01.640
<v Speaker 1>being like I have a giant ass pot, Like let

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>me make some beans for you guys, you know, Like, yeah,

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I think people would be so surprised, And it's great

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that people have not experienced that, like because I think

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.360
<v Speaker 1>it's quite a traumatic thing to experience, but they get

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>you'd be so surprised how how much? Or like I

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 1>remember one time just building shelters with a bunch of people,

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:23.439
<v Speaker 1>and like everyone was pretty miserable rates of cold and windy,

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and like there were some Kourdish guys that uspect guys,

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 1>some Chinese guys, and we're building these shelters together and

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 1>like all of these people who didn't even share a language,

0:27:31.560 --> 0:27:33.479
<v Speaker 1>and we're going through very difficult times. We're just like

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 1>nerding out on knots together rare and just helping each

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>other and then not doing that so they could sleep inside,

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>doing that so little children wouldn't have to sleep in

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>the cold. But yeah, that's the way humans behave in

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 1>these situations, and capitalism or YouTube might have convinced you

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it is.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think like more traditional preppers really like

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>get into it too, Like they'll show up, they're like

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I got forty chainsaws, are like like it's like every

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 2>like Chud Truck's time to shine to like haul away

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.640
<v Speaker 2>raggage and the like. I don't know, you know, it's

0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>like I'm making it sound exciting, but what's exciting is

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>when people collaborate autonomously and collectively for like more good

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 2>than their own.

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.280
<v Speaker 2>And then kind of the problem is that like capitalism

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>comes back in the initial fallout fads from sight and yeah,

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.240
<v Speaker 2>just because the disaster kind of fades doesn't mean it's gone.

0:28:30.800 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of people who kind of still

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>have to deal with it for potentially ever. Yeah, And

0:28:36.880 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of like the disaster of light stage capitalism

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 2>is similar. We have people who are constantly invisibilized even

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>though it's part of their regular lives.

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:48.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Can I maybe break down some of these terms that

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>are maybe.

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>It can be good for people, Yeah, Yeah, because I

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>think they get thrown around about right totally.

0:28:56.640 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>So, Mutual aid is knowing that any help that we

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 2>give our community helps us by strengthening our strengthening our community.

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Autonomy is deciding what's best for us based on what

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>we know about ourselves and our needs. Solidarity is unity

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>through action and knowing that, like it's like the you know,

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I got your back even if you don't got mine.

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:23.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, direct action is working directly to achieve our

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 2>goals instead of waiting for someone else to do it.

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, we see this in disasters like don't wait

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>for FEMA. There's like so many people who are just

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>out there doing autonomous relief efforts and it's incredible collective

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>decision making, finding ways to make decisions together in ways

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 2>where power isn't being like abused or accumulated. And then

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:46.840
<v Speaker 2>there's individual preparedness, which is kind of the last little

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>thing I want to talk about. So individual preparedness is

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the ways that we prepare individually so

0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>that when a disaster strikes, we have our basic needs

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.479
<v Speaker 2>met and you know, there's a lot to learn. So

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's easy to get lost back in that

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>overwhelm mentality. Yeah, but I think we can really think

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>about it in terms of disaster since we're on that track. Like,

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 2>if there's a disaster and power goes out, then the

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 2>roads are less traversible. If you have all of your

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>needs met through individual preparedness, then you're in a really

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>good position to go help others and if everyone in

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 2>your community already has prepared for their basic needs, then

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>your whole community is prepared to take kind of the

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>next step towards recovery. And it means that your community

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 2>can now help other communities that were less prepared or

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>more impacted by a disaster, even if they thought.

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 1>They were prepared.

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Community preparedness is like what happens when we kind of

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>mash all of these ideas together and start doing it

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>not just as an individual but as a community. And

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>this can look small or it can look big, you know,

0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people's biggest hurdle is

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 2>just like kind of making a plan. And like, I

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know, your disaster plan might include you and the

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.959
<v Speaker 2>people you live with. It might include you and your polycule,

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.800
<v Speaker 2>It might include you and your whole block, and it

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>might include your whole neighborhood. And I think there's just

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>this like big, beautiful spectrum. And to kind of carry

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>an example through, like some interviews that we've done on

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a livef the world is dying. Someone's measure of individual

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>preparedness might include having a radio when cell networks go down,

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and anothers might include building communication infrastructure that they can distribute,

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 2>and another maybe smaller groups idea might be agreeing on

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 2>a place to meet up because they don't have radios,

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>can't afford them, don't know how they work, and they've

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>just said when shit hits the fan, we're meeting at

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 2>the library.

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's still a whole love better than like dashing

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>around on town wondering where the people you love are. Yeah, yeah,

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's that easy.

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, we get overwhelmed by tech, but there's so

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>many low tech solutions to a lot of these problems.

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's why we're doing an episode on carry

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a pigeon. Yeah, carrier pigeons. Are they extinct? That's passenger pigeons,

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>different pigeons, passenger visions. Yeah. Yeah, So, like, what are

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>some basic ways we can we can think about preparedness

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>And we're going to cover these in more detail, right,

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll do episodes on each of these. But maybe someone's like, well, shit,

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I would like to get on that. What are some

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>things people can work on? Yeah?

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 2>I think it does start with kind of individual preparedness.

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>And when I say individual, I mean, like, you know,

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 2>for ourselves, But that doesn't mean we can't do individual preparedness.

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Parallel and like with other people. So don't think of

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 2>individual as being alone. It's just we're thinking about your

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 2>specific basic needs. It's and so here's kind of a

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>checklist that we put out in a zine for strangers

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 2>in a tangled wilderness called Ready for Anything. There's documentation

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, get or renewed documentation like passports, DOACA, other

0:33:18.160 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>status cards, whatever. Get a driver's license from your state

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>if you are undocumented, If you have other kind of

0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 2>permits like concealed carry permits, or medical documentation for you

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and your pets. Get all of those together. And you

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>want to think about having both physical and digital backups

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>of those things, Yeah, because digital might not work. You

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>want to do some kind of basic just supply preparedness,

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 2>which is, store three days or three weeks of food,

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>store three days or three weeks of water, Store enough

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 2>portable power to keep your phone and other essentials charged

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.479
<v Speaker 2>for three days or three weeks. Build yourself a go bag,

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>stockpile prescription medication you need, keep your vehicle in good

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>running condition with at least half a tank of gas,

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>and get kind of any equipment stuff that you might

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>want now because it's going to be wildly unavailable when

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 2>a disaster does come.

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:18.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>And then on the community side, get to know your neighbors,

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>plan with them, help them with documentation and preparedness components.

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Make sure vulnerable neighbors know that you are a potential resource.

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Connect with activist groups locally. Build an affinity group. Maybe

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 2>you and your friends are really into communication infrastructure, and

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>when a disaster does strike, you just have that ready

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to go while you know some other affinity group is

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:54.279
<v Speaker 2>making sure that everyone's fed. Divide and conquer. I don't

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>like that phrase, but it works right now, Make a

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>plan for securely communicating and make plans for meeting up

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 2>when things go wrong. And even when things kind of

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>go wrong with your plan, you know, have a backup plan.

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, primary, alternate, contingency and emergency plan if you want

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.840
<v Speaker 1>to use the cringe military acronym. Yeah.

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>And then these are some kind of questions that I

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 2>think you can ask your community when you're trying to

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 2>think about building resiliency. What disasters are dangerous do you

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like you're likely to face How can you maintain

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 2>access to food, water, and communication? How will you interact

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.160
<v Speaker 2>with other groups? What skills do you currently have? What

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 2>skills do you wish you had? Can you learn those skills?

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.319
<v Speaker 2>How will you foster care and address specific needs of

0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 2>individuals in your community? How will your community defend itself?

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 2>And how can we resist despair and maintain access to joy?

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Which I think that last one really gets lost a lot.

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, people forget about that one, but it's important

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>even in like really dark places, like I've attended civil wars, right,

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Like maintaining access to joways important. Like I've sat with

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 1>people in Kurdistan and sung songs and played tempbole, which

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.879
<v Speaker 1>is like I think the English word is ood. It's

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 1>an instrument and wild drones were vomited and so we

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to go outside at night gy and like,

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, it's a lot better if you

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.399
<v Speaker 1>have people to sing songs with and sitting on your own.

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm putting a song bock in my go back now,

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that's that's happening.

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.839
<v Speaker 1>These people had a folder, like they came equipped with

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>like laminated shit, like they were ready to rock. Golly. Yeah,

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what I got, you know. Yeah, that's

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a great place for people to start, and we're going

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 1>to be covering a lot more of this stuff, so

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like you will hear more about water and food and

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>all the other things that we spoke about. Will try

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and do at least one of these episodes a month,

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and then where can people find you if they have questions,

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>if they want to listen to other episodes, maybe if

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the world is dying or otherwise reach out.

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you want to hear more about anything that

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.520
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