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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well,
Speaker 1: good morning from everybody here at the draft show. We're
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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kitt Garrison, Executive Producing. Uh, it is uh
Speaker 1: combine e for us. Will you leave tonight? Yep. I
Speaker 1: fled India tonight and David and myself why didn't we
Speaker 1: do that? I don't know, because now we gotta get
Speaker 1: up at four thirty in the morning to catch its
Speaker 1: flock flight. It's okay. You like that though, like I
Speaker 1: do the old man and you I do. You dig
Speaker 1: getting up as early as humanly possible. I do. I enjoy,
Speaker 1: like to enjoy trying to see you'll make it to
Speaker 1: the airport on time. Oh, I'll be there to test
Speaker 1: with bells on. It's a test, David. You need to
Speaker 1: kind of be ready to roll. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: been the first one there the last two years or
Speaker 1: was it last year where I think I kind of you,
Speaker 1: kind of you and kids? Ye, Ken squeaked on Yeah,
Speaker 1: yet seconds before I think Ki had a strange look
Speaker 1: on his face when he was the last one honest
Speaker 1: at the door behind. When you get there two hours
Speaker 1: early and still don't make it, yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: security line. I wasn't need to figure out the shorter
Speaker 1: security line. I get there four hours early. We've we've
Speaker 1: still haven't done our tsa pre check. You need to
Speaker 1: go a little further up. Don't always go to the
Speaker 1: one school further all right, we'll figure it out. We'll
Speaker 1: be there, I know you will. We'll be there looking
Speaker 1: forward to that. It is, like I said, a combine week.
Speaker 1: So I do want to get into some combine. Uh
Speaker 1: some dudes, some don't, some good, some bad. Some help
Speaker 1: me Dane Brugler, Yeah, this is the big combine preview.
Speaker 1: Try to set the stage so you know what you're
Speaker 1: looking for with respect, and let's just get right into it.
Speaker 1: You know, I think most people know what the combine is,
Speaker 1: but really you can when you think about a break
Speaker 1: up in the four different categories. You have your medicals,
Speaker 1: which are the most important by far. That's why the
Speaker 1: combine was created back in the eighties. It was so
Speaker 1: you know, these prospects wouldn't have to go city to city, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, getting looked at by a doctor here, doctor there,
Speaker 1: Mr here. I did just do it one central location,
Speaker 1: It's true and India. A big reason they do it
Speaker 1: in India is because of the amount of medical equipment
Speaker 1: within a you know, a mile radius, so it is.
Speaker 1: It is one of the great cities ever. The combine
Speaker 1: was invented. Indie was invented for this combine. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean Indie is a is a great town to begin with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the way that they're the way the hotel situation,
Speaker 1: well it's convention center, yes, the walking ability, the hotels,
Speaker 1: the hospitals, the workout facility, everything that you need to
Speaker 1: bring a massive amount of people to one central location
Speaker 1: and make it work as smoothly as they do. Right,
Speaker 1: Indianapolis is a perfect city even in the winter and
Speaker 1: there exactly. And not to mention, they've been doing it
Speaker 1: there so long they've almost got it down to a science.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the few cities in this
Speaker 1: country that you can drop me in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and I'll find any ef I know where everything is.
Speaker 1: I've been going there since ninety two. Find your way
Speaker 1: to the webber grew I know exactly. Saturday night, eight pm.
Speaker 1: By the way, you're canned chicken. You're canned chicken. Gosh,
Speaker 1: I hope they have at this time. I will be
Speaker 1: really the pretzel rules. I'm gonna eat so many pretzel rules.
Speaker 1: But anyway, but no, but the central the fact of
Speaker 1: the medical right, that's first and foremost, what's most important.
Speaker 1: That's why the combines created, and that's that's what matters
Speaker 1: the most. Number Two, the interviews. Yeah, a chance for coaches,
Speaker 1: general managers, scouts to go in one of these guys. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and this is for a lot of these players the
Speaker 1: first impression the scouts have been on the road. But
Speaker 1: for general managers, head coaches, especially with these juniors, guys
Speaker 1: that weren't at the Senior Bowl, guys weren't at during
Speaker 1: you know, the All Star circuit. Chance to sit down
Speaker 1: with them, we watch tape together. You know, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: what's what kind of technique us in here? What's the
Speaker 1: name of this play? Run them through the tape, run
Speaker 1: them through you know, whiteboard, different things like that, find
Speaker 1: out more about who they are as a person, their personality.
Speaker 1: It's really a chance to make a great first impression
Speaker 1: with the head decision makers of each team. And then,
Speaker 1: of course the third would be the sexy part of
Speaker 1: the event, which is the forty yard dash, the agility drills,
Speaker 1: the positional drills, what we see on the field, A
Speaker 1: chance for the players to put quantitative data next to
Speaker 1: kind of the you know, the tape tape, what scouts
Speaker 1: have been looking at for the last eight nine months.
Speaker 1: A chance to put numbers to that, to compare and
Speaker 1: contrast these guys, which you know we can overrate at times,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's just a
Speaker 1: way to kind of cross check what you see on tape,
Speaker 1: A chance to okay, well, this guy ran four five five,
Speaker 1: I thought he was more of a four four or
Speaker 1: five bright athlete speed in the forty yard dash, so
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of cross check yourself. And then
Speaker 1: of course, fourth would be the measurements. Chance to get
Speaker 1: exact height, weight, length, hand size, wingspan, everything else. All
Speaker 1: the measurements on these players, especially the juniors. A lot
Speaker 1: of the seniors we have numbers from either from the
Speaker 1: spring right and then y'all Star circuit, but then also
Speaker 1: with the underclassman guys that we don't have exact measurements
Speaker 1: on a chance to do with the combine. So brief
Speaker 1: four categories, and we'll start by kind of going through
Speaker 1: each category and who are important names to watching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me add a fifth category and I'll let you
Speaker 1: comment it real quick. I want to get back, but
Speaker 1: let me add the fifth category. The element that we're
Speaker 1: a part of the media side of it, which become
Speaker 1: a firestorm. Yes, yeah, you know, I mean you get
Speaker 1: you know, you get some guys that you get some
Speaker 1: you know, these players, they bring them through, they put
Speaker 1: them at the pod. There's been there's been times where
Speaker 1: I remember with golf, the quarterback, the rams and how
Speaker 1: the small hand size. As questions came from the media,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of back and forth. There a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about medical I remember Jalen Smith, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about his knee what and he
Speaker 1: was trying to answer that. They just kept firing questions
Speaker 1: at him, you know. And so there's that fit. There's
Speaker 1: that fifth element that's really not club level, but it
Speaker 1: is part of what the players have to go through now, right,
Speaker 1: and it yeah, I mean it can it does. It
Speaker 1: can give you some some fun insight into these guys
Speaker 1: and like what their makeup is and how well they
Speaker 1: handle that some, I mean so many of these guys.
Speaker 1: If you play at even a moderately large college program,
Speaker 1: I feel like you should be used to that by now.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I mean, Jared Goff was like mad,
Speaker 1: he was mad. Yeah, it's fun and I've uh in
Speaker 1: a weird I was so impressed rested by Joey Bosa
Speaker 1: when he went through all that, which like he was
Speaker 1: goofy and like he didn't have like that polot, like
Speaker 1: that professional polish, but like he just handled it with
Speaker 1: like this goofy ease. That was just really impressive. Like
Speaker 1: it just kind of just you know, dirt off his shoulder.
Speaker 1: He seemed like he just walked off a beach somewhere surfing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just you know, just that's the meaner his his tones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with it, but it is fascinating because you know,
Speaker 1: they're they go through a lot of media training and
Speaker 1: all that, but during interviews with teams, they need to
Speaker 1: be open as as as possible as I can. But
Speaker 1: with the media, you had to be even just a
Speaker 1: little guarded about what you say. And you know, I
Speaker 1: remember it was it two years ago when with the
Speaker 1: Old miss players with Laramy Tunsel outed one of the
Speaker 1: other guys, yeah about oh man, Yeah, Kim dic all
Speaker 1: his questions were about like jumping off of the balcony
Speaker 1: all this other stuff. So you have to you want
Speaker 1: to be open, but you want to you have to
Speaker 1: be a little guardard as well. And it's just all
Speaker 1: part of the media parts. So yeah, that's no, that's
Speaker 1: that's a good point to add it to the week
Speaker 1: that these players have to you know, part of the
Speaker 1: gauntlet they have to go through. I think another interesting
Speaker 1: thing for us, and it's not so much for the
Speaker 1: players and stuff. What I enjoy the combine is the
Speaker 1: fact that we bump into people that we know professionally
Speaker 1: have friendships with. You know, you might go around the
Speaker 1: corner and talk to somebody that you know you hadn't
Speaker 1: seen in a while and get a you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was asking a lot of questions last year about
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, you know, and we and we, you and I,
Speaker 1: we all had our back and forth about Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: Where he would go and stuff. But the combine again
Speaker 1: brings everybody together. They interview the coaches, the general manager,
Speaker 1: the head coach, general managers, club presidents, people who get
Speaker 1: up there who are responsible for their team, and you
Speaker 1: can kind of learn a little bit about that and
Speaker 1: maybe when you get them off on the side. I'm
Speaker 1: interested now that John Gruden's back in the mix, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna be interested in going and talk
Speaker 1: to him and kind of get his perspective on some
Speaker 1: of these players. I mean, I know he's already dove
Speaker 1: into a little bit of what they're gonna do and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, kind of get his idea. But that's
Speaker 1: one thing the great thing about the combine. It does
Speaker 1: get everybody to get Okay, with all that being said, though,
Speaker 1: go through and kind of give me an idea of
Speaker 1: how you want to break this thing down. How how
Speaker 1: do you want to how would you going in approach
Speaker 1: and of all the categories, how would you do that? All? Right, Well,
Speaker 1: let's and let's include your fifth category in the team interview.
Speaker 1: So that's just part of it, right exactly, so we
Speaker 1: can talk about it. So let's do the four categories.
Speaker 1: Let's start with the medical and let's talk about a
Speaker 1: few players that they need a good week and Indie
Speaker 1: when I go through that, uh yeah, and they have
Speaker 1: to do over three hundred MRIs they have to do
Speaker 1: so it's quick and yeah. I remember last year with
Speaker 1: Ruben Foster that was not good. A little bit quick enough,
Speaker 1: not quick enough. Yeah, I mean it goes deep into
Speaker 1: the night. It's a grueling process that really test your patients.
Speaker 1: But a few guys that we need to I I
Speaker 1: mean Josh Rosen to me, one of the first guys
Speaker 1: that comes to mind, missed second half of last year
Speaker 1: with the race shoulder injury. Uh he and then he
Speaker 1: missed couple of games his past year with concussion. Durability wise,
Speaker 1: and he worries long term with him. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a big part of his evaluation along with I mean
Speaker 1: when we talked about Josh Rosen here when we get
Speaker 1: to the interview process as well. But for the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen one of the best in his class. Durability
Speaker 1: a question mark. The running backs, you know, these guys
Speaker 1: get beat up. They do. Nick Chubb. Chub had that
Speaker 1: knee injury as a sophomore. Absolutely, what's going on there?
Speaker 1: Is any long term effects. I mean we mentioned it
Speaker 1: any last show. JG I E. That was an issue
Speaker 1: with him. He fell to the fifth round. Chubb the
Speaker 1: second round talent. Could he slip a little bit because
Speaker 1: of any questions with the knee? Carrie on Johnson his
Speaker 1: shoulder he got pulled up quite a bit. Sure, did
Speaker 1: Mark Walton, a guy we both like. We do like
Speaker 1: Mark Walton almost all the season with the Miamile by
Speaker 1: the way, I'm right, I'm sorry, Yeah, with the right
Speaker 1: ankle injury. Anything worried about with the right ankle. So
Speaker 1: the running backs, we know, those guys get beat up.
Speaker 1: Something to watch there. Um, And it's it's quite a
Speaker 1: crew too, you know, because everybody you know, if you're
Speaker 1: not it's there's a couple of the first round guys
Speaker 1: we've talked about. It's I'll be interested to talk to
Speaker 1: some scouts general managers and kind of what order they
Speaker 1: see these guys. Yeah, well you know, yeah past years,
Speaker 1: you know where exactly ranked with a zeke with the
Speaker 1: right because see there's like you know, Ronald Jones from USC.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's really second on a lot of
Speaker 1: people's boards. I wonder if it's if guys that's Johnson.
Speaker 1: I mean all these names of guys, well, not just
Speaker 1: the order, but depending on who you talk to. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got some people who have one first round running back,
Speaker 1: oh sure. And then I mean I've I've heard as
Speaker 1: many as like three or four first round grades on
Speaker 1: running backs, spending on how you feel about guys like
Speaker 1: Guys and Jones. But it goes back to the combined
Speaker 1: in again. You know, the medical questions a lot of
Speaker 1: some of these top guys have, Yeah, might keep people
Speaker 1: away from maybe taking them a little bit earlier than
Speaker 1: we might thinks. Being one of them, Yeah, he kind
Speaker 1: of got banged up with the knee in the or
Speaker 1: was it fall camp, right, and I kind of plagued
Speaker 1: him a little bit his final year in an LSU.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, absolutely, with these running backs and the
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Anthony Miller, a player we've talked about from Memphis,
Speaker 1: Memphis right, player we talked about maybe could be on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys radar on Day two, had the foot issue
Speaker 1: in the bowl game, his final game as a collegiate player.
Speaker 1: Was out for the Senior Bowl. Everyone's kind of been
Speaker 1: hush hush on the severity of the injury. Is it
Speaker 1: going to affect him moving forward? We need to get
Speaker 1: an update on Anthony Miller. That would be big for
Speaker 1: his draft status. Yeah, I'll tell you what I got
Speaker 1: him like as a second round guy right now. But
Speaker 1: but then again, it's in that second round where we're
Speaker 1: talking about the gallop from Colorado State, Uh, you know Washington,
Speaker 1: James Washington from Oklahoma State. I mean, I'm no closer
Speaker 1: right now to sorting those guys out. My I kind
Speaker 1: of have it. I think Miller's I think Miller's a
Speaker 1: hell of a player. I think he's a hell of
Speaker 1: a player. But again, if it comes back when you're
Speaker 1: telling me my doctor's saying, well, Brian, hey, you gotta
Speaker 1: be this is long term, this is gonna be you
Speaker 1: know now now does he is he still? Is he
Speaker 1: still in the mix with those guys kind And that
Speaker 1: goes back to like what an event the combine has become.
Speaker 1: I mean, the teams are going to get this information
Speaker 1: and make decisions off it anyway, But like the media
Speaker 1: and public perception is such a big part of this.
Speaker 1: Like ten years ago, nobody's nobody outside the you know,
Speaker 1: front offices, is talking about Anthony Miller's injury. But now
Speaker 1: it's like and and players have like strategies of like
Speaker 1: how they address it, how much they're talking, no, say
Speaker 1: he's going to get a question or two. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: and like and you gotta be we should ask it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, this happens every year there. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: brought up Jalen Smith, Miles Jack As another guy was Jack.
Speaker 1: There you go, there was somebody last year too that
Speaker 1: I'm drawn or um John Ross was a guy with
Speaker 1: the injuries in his history. He had a bad first
Speaker 1: year or two he did. But it's just it's fascinating that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got those problems in your past,
Speaker 1: you've you've got to have a strategy for how you're
Speaker 1: going to approach it because it's such a visible event
Speaker 1: now as opposed to ten fifteen years ago, it's just
Speaker 1: some teams asking you about your injury history. It's way
Speaker 1: more than that. And we're sitting in the Hoosier Dome
Speaker 1: looking around thinking they'll never have this on TV. You know,
Speaker 1: a kidding me shows what you know exactly? I know
Speaker 1: was what mid nineties, Yeah, I mean nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there thinking and I'm talking about who's your
Speaker 1: dome or the RCA Dome. It was before there was
Speaker 1: a Hoosier Dome when it started, then it went RCA
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and then again there were like ten
Speaker 1: twelve guys covering this thing. Now, now you're gonna have
Speaker 1: Brian brought us getting mad at everybody in the convention center.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been with Goose Gosselin before when yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just furious that all these people encroached on his territory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, we'll get into it. But yeah, ten
Speaker 1: it used to just be still walk hanging out with
Speaker 1: a bunch of scouts all week. I used to walk
Speaker 1: out of the holiday in there where the players stayed,
Speaker 1: and I would walk with Goose for maybe four blocks,
Speaker 1: and he did that with everybody. He would find somebody
Speaker 1: and he'd walk four blocks, walk back, walk four blocks,
Speaker 1: walk back. But it was ten twelve guys covering the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And then where it was word like, oh,
Speaker 1: the media's outside. Well, now the media's outside across the
Speaker 1: street in the convention center about three thousand deep. Yep,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Okay, next category you want to kind of
Speaker 1: get into, well, a few more medical guys. Yeah, Harold Andrey, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know he didn't have the senior year we expected
Speaker 1: from Boston College. First run pass rusher. But what's going
Speaker 1: on with his ankle, the lower body? Anything to worry
Speaker 1: about moving forward? H Kimoko Terray Terray, Oh, my guy
Speaker 1: from Rutgers, from Rutgers who I really like him a lot.
Speaker 1: How do you know? With that athletics and he just
Speaker 1: looks good on tape physically looks good because he's impressive.
Speaker 1: A guy that played basketball in high school, didn't play
Speaker 1: football until his senior year, and he blew up as
Speaker 1: a freshman. Then he had some shoulder issues sophomore junior year,
Speaker 1: played well as a senior. But any long termission? Yeah right.
Speaker 1: Nathan Shepherd from Fort Hay State that hand broke the
Speaker 1: hand a senior ball Senior Bowl. Good player there too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Definitely a few guys at linebacker. One of our favorites,
Speaker 1: Jack Sitchy, linebacker from Wisconsin, Huge Wisconsin. Yeah, hasn't played
Speaker 1: since October of two, un sixteen. Yeah, what did you
Speaker 1: think about him? We watched him the other day. I
Speaker 1: like him a lot. I liked him before we watched
Speaker 1: Like we watched him together. But okay, but I like
Speaker 1: him as a player, Like I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think I said this last week. I comparisons are
Speaker 1: dangerous whatever. Like he reminds me of Borland, Like he's Oh,
Speaker 1: he's a smart that was my pet cat from several
Speaker 1: years ago. Concussion got him. He's a smart, physical player,
Speaker 1: like he'd typical Wisconsin guy. Like he's not gonna wow
Speaker 1: you with like this insane athleticism, but he's just always
Speaker 1: in the right spot. Yeah, I hope the medical is
Speaker 1: good on him. A few more. Linebacker shaun Dion Hamilton
Speaker 1: from Alabama. Guy's really talented, but back to back years
Speaker 1: he's had a season ending injuries to his right knee.
Speaker 1: And so what's going on with that? Um? Dear clear? Yeah,
Speaker 1: corner Gayer Alexander had his knee issue this year, missed
Speaker 1: a good portion. Yeah, second round pick though in my
Speaker 1: opinion there, I think he's a first rounder myself. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're both high and I'm Derwin James, a guy we've
Speaker 1: talked about at length. Uh, a guy we don't think
Speaker 1: we'll make it to nineteen, but you never know. Missed
Speaker 1: all of tens and sixteen or most of Jens sixteen
Speaker 1: with was it the achilles so or no a miniscan miniscus? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what is going on with the knee? And because
Speaker 1: he showed rust this year? But was it more you know,
Speaker 1: mental and more conditioning or is there something you have
Speaker 1: to worry about with him? So there are plenty more
Speaker 1: guys with medical issues, but those are just a few
Speaker 1: of the top ones. Okay, well we'll do this. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break, and my god, once again, twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: where'd it go? I wish it happened to be in
Speaker 1: school like this flies? Does it flies? We'll take a break.
Speaker 1: I do want to get into the Twitter on the twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can back it up, back it up, and then
Speaker 1: and then I do want to get in that. Let's
Speaker 1: do a little more though, let's do can it come back?
Speaker 1: Come back with a little bit of I want to
Speaker 1: get some more of this combined discussion being it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be there tomorrow, are starting tomorrow, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come back. We'll hit the Twitter questions at the
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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, getting back into the into now, I
Speaker 1: want to focus in on a little bit on the interview.
Speaker 1: I respect to the thing I think that you said
Speaker 1: medical Now the interview, I orton give me some guys
Speaker 1: that you know, Hey, we always hear the whispers. I
Speaker 1: always hear the whispers from the guys saying Dany Burgley
Speaker 1: will tweet out there something very cryptic. One day at
Speaker 1: the draft, he'll go hearing that Baker Mayfield is impressing.
Speaker 1: You know, we always get that. We'll always get that
Speaker 1: him or him or Gil Brandt, one of those guys
Speaker 1: will throw out something hearing that interviews didn't go well
Speaker 1: for Yeah, but fill in the blank. Plan to throw
Speaker 1: us a nugget. Yeah, this is the lying season. But
Speaker 1: you know, try to try to swim through the lies
Speaker 1: and figure out what's what's truth and talk to the
Speaker 1: right guys. Yeah, I know who's lying to you. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the key, right. And so with these interviews,
Speaker 1: obviously it's not similar to the medicals. It's based on
Speaker 1: what we hear. You know, we're not in the room.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna there's no coverage of that except for
Speaker 1: when the players do talk to the media. But a
Speaker 1: few players that need to impress in the interview portion
Speaker 1: start with quarterbacks. Josh Rosen, a guy we mentioned with
Speaker 1: the medical plenty of questions about his personality, is fit,
Speaker 1: whether his arrogance will fit in an NFL locker room,
Speaker 1: is he coachable? You know, this is a guy who
Speaker 1: believes he's the smartest person in the room, and that's
Speaker 1: just not always gonna work. Yeah, in every situation, so
Speaker 1: how he and you know, he should be himself, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, and he's a dial it back
Speaker 1: a little bit when he's in these interviews with owners
Speaker 1: or general managers or head coaches and come off a
Speaker 1: little more humble, come off a little more coachable. And
Speaker 1: we'll see if he's able to do that. I could
Speaker 1: say he needs to be humble and sit down. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know who I think he is throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: I always say this, I think Matt Ryan. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: kind OF's got that the way he's built, that kind
Speaker 1: of slim, you know, moving around the pocket a little bit,
Speaker 1: makes makes some incredible throws, and then he'll make he'll
Speaker 1: just get sacked and you're like, oh what I think
Speaker 1: you see a little Matt Ryan. You see it Eli Man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: two guys that went to the Super Bowl. Sureli won
Speaker 1: two of himself. Sure guys that are I don't mean
Speaker 1: that in a slam. I mean I mean that is
Speaker 1: because Matt Ryan, I think is a pretty damn was
Speaker 1: it League MVP? Yeah? Absolutely, But I think when you
Speaker 1: watch this guy throw the football, he's the guy and
Speaker 1: maybe has something to do with the I know Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan's two, this guy's three. It has something to do
Speaker 1: maybe the narrow number, the narrow number on the body
Speaker 1: and the way he kind of throws the ball. But
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Do you think that? Do you
Speaker 1: think that that general managers try and try and make
Speaker 1: an abrasive conversation with him. See if you to see
Speaker 1: if he'll come out and be absolutely you know, I would,
Speaker 1: I'd challenge him. You beat him, I would. I would
Speaker 1: challenge him. I'd see how much he really wants to
Speaker 1: fight me. I get what you're saying, and he does
Speaker 1: come across his arrogant but like I almost I want
Speaker 1: that in my quarterback to a degree. And that's that
Speaker 1: is the fine line that you have to figure out.
Speaker 1: And this is where the general manager and scouts have
Speaker 1: to put, you know, become a psychologist almost to figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on. I have a plan to talk
Speaker 1: to him, I think, oh ye, absolutely, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: a little plan, like, hey, let's piss this guy off. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you see if we can do it. You
Speaker 1: have to kind of challenge him based on you know,
Speaker 1: why don't you love football? You know that question stings
Speaker 1: right and kind of go into it with you know,
Speaker 1: because he's an intellectual guy. He's a very he doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, he likes to think things through. He's a
Speaker 1: problem solvere with his mind, so he'll challenge everything that
Speaker 1: you say. Yeah, let me let me give you an example.
Speaker 1: If you've ever watched Gruden's football camp, quarterback camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those are the kinds of questions that scouts and general
Speaker 1: managers ask these players, except on a different except at
Speaker 1: different positions. And I'm sure and they're probably a little
Speaker 1: more harsh. I mean, grudendals a back a little he
Speaker 1: does a back a little bit. But but you get
Speaker 1: the idea of that kind of what were you thinking here? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you try and see where the guy's demeanor
Speaker 1: really is. Is he is? He does it bother him
Speaker 1: when he gets criticized? Can he take You have an
Speaker 1: idea if a guy could take hard coaching or not,
Speaker 1: what is he gonna throws her Eiver's under the bus? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna throw his left tack. You know, coach Moore
Speaker 1: really didn't have a very good plan for us at UCLA, right,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, Jim Moore has
Speaker 1: a lot of friends in the National Football League. He
Speaker 1: needs to be a little careful about who he says
Speaker 1: that because I don't there's not gonna be any question
Speaker 1: about his intelligence. No, I mean, I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: his ability to you know, his recall. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about that, just more his his demeanor and how that's
Speaker 1: going to play in the huddle. Are my veterans in
Speaker 1: the locker room gonna, you know, look to this guy.
Speaker 1: I say, Okay, this guy's a leader. That's the big
Speaker 1: disconnect with with Rosen right now. So the combines are
Speaker 1: gonna be huge for him. But stick with quarterback Mayfield. Mayfield,
Speaker 1: there you go, guy that you know we saw the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, but he still has plenty more questions to answer,
Speaker 1: and he'll do it the combine. A couple of wide
Speaker 1: receivers say something about Baker Mayfield. I think when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done, he's gonna be the one guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe that might be a couple of it's maybe Griffin
Speaker 1: from UCF that when they when they interview him with
Speaker 1: teams in that's where we're gonna get the jil Brandt tweet, hum,
Speaker 1: everybody's falling in love with Baker may I was gonna
Speaker 1: say everybody's falling. Hope. We don't mean that in a
Speaker 1: bad way because I think, oh, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it'll be. He will be the one guy that everybody
Speaker 1: coming out of the interview that exactly well, I wish
Speaker 1: I had a pick, I wish I could pick a quarterback,
Speaker 1: and that Baker Mayfield will be that guy. With what
Speaker 1: Dave was saying about you want your quarterback to be
Speaker 1: a little arrogant, Yeah, I think that's where Mayfield will
Speaker 1: come off as arrogant, but in the competitive type of way,
Speaker 1: right where Rosen doesn't always come off and you know,
Speaker 1: he comes off arrogant like you know, I'm smarter than
Speaker 1: you type of way, and so that that will be
Speaker 1: a key distinction for and if I'm smart, if I'm
Speaker 1: a team, I'm doing their interviews, I'm doing all these
Speaker 1: quarterback interviews. I'm gonna trying to line them up back
Speaker 1: to back to back. Oh, no doubt, man, You've got
Speaker 1: a plan that is exactly what you do. Yeah, here,
Speaker 1: these guys want absolutely other You ask similar questions to
Speaker 1: a few of them. Can I ask you a question,
Speaker 1: how would you think you handled interviewed for Lamar Jackson?
Speaker 1: Do you ask him about the Bill Polian stuff. Do
Speaker 1: you say, you know, ell yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: There's people that don't think you could play quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: What do you say to that? What if I okay,
Speaker 1: what if we bring you to our facility as a
Speaker 1: workout and we asked you to run some routes? What
Speaker 1: would your response be? There? You go, you know, are
Speaker 1: you open to it? Are you? I mean, because you're
Speaker 1: baiting him to see if you'll say, Hey, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be a team player, do whatever I want
Speaker 1: to do or see whatever I can. But but but
Speaker 1: I don't want him to say that. I want him
Speaker 1: say him. Did you see what Daniel j Well, great point.
Speaker 1: Did you see Lamar's response to that? So Daniel Jeremiah
Speaker 1: was like, if anybody sir, yeah, he was like, if
Speaker 1: anybody says He's like he's talking to Lamar hypothetically. He's like,
Speaker 1: if anybody asks you to play wide receiver, you say,
Speaker 1: I look forward to playing against you. And Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: I think it was last night or maybe two days
Speaker 1: ago quote tweeted him and was like hell, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's exactly love that. Yeah, it's one thing for Denard
Speaker 1: Robinson when he's coming out of mission again for him
Speaker 1: to be open minded to or Pat White out of
Speaker 1: West Virginia open minded for playing another position for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to hear all right. You know,
Speaker 1: if you really want me to, you know, work out
Speaker 1: what receiver, I'll do it. No. I want him to
Speaker 1: tell me it convinced me. I don't need convincing, but
Speaker 1: I want him to still convince me that he's a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the right mentality from the go
Speaker 1: into interviews with Yeah, I agree with you on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: some other guys, Uh, what if his quarterbacks are fascinating
Speaker 1: by the way to talk to What about the receiver?
Speaker 1: I know you really liked from Florida Antonio Kallaway Halloway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gave him a top three round grade. I have
Speaker 1: him right now as I look at my board. Brian, Uh,
Speaker 1: don't do that to me, David, I got him in
Speaker 1: the third round. Yeah. And this is a guy who
Speaker 1: why do you always fall in love with like the
Speaker 1: questionable guys the gun Runners? Yeah? Why, this guy's more
Speaker 1: to gun runner. He's he's actually got kicked off because
Speaker 1: he stole. He didn't play at all last year. This
Speaker 1: was this guy was in the middle of the credit
Speaker 1: card credit card fraud. Yeah, and this and this was like,
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't strike one. This is like straight
Speaker 1: four for him, which is why Brian loves him. It's like,
Speaker 1: give me the bad give me the bad guy. Brian's
Speaker 1: not wrong about his ability. He's just very unreliable. Brian's
Speaker 1: never wrong about these ability well, and unfortunate about the
Speaker 1: gun Runner guys, He's never wrong about their Sorry, Hey,
Speaker 1: my apologies. I know it's very sensitive. I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: the word. I shouldn't use the word gun runner. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a draft clear, it's I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it is it is. I'm thinking of guys that are
Speaker 1: pirates and sure, you know guys. Yeah, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: those guys. Unfortunately, a lot of times. Sorry, I mean
Speaker 1: no disrespect to anybody out there. I think I think
Speaker 1: I'm in a draft room here. I'm sorry. A lot
Speaker 1: of times. You know, these guys that are uber talented,
Speaker 1: they've never been told no in their lives. They've got
Speaker 1: some character issues, and Antonio County it's one of them.
Speaker 1: Some really some of the really good players. This kid
Speaker 1: that's talent is clearly there. Yeah. I might have him
Speaker 1: low on talent to be in the third round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Dane's absolutely right. If he's on people's boards, this
Speaker 1: is one of me. These guys, you have to have
Speaker 1: a strong general manager to come in and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna take this guy and the guy Cleveland,
Speaker 1: now that guy Cleveland, now that general Magic Cleveland is
Speaker 1: not afraid to John Dorsey's not afraid to take some
Speaker 1: not afraid to take a risk. A popular comparison with
Speaker 1: Colloboy is gonna be Tyreek Hill. Yeah exactly. Different issues, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but different issues, but the same type of why did
Speaker 1: you take this guy fast? He's not Tyrek Hill fast,
Speaker 1: but he's a big time athlete, big time. You watch
Speaker 1: him play, he makes some Remember I remember him from UF.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's not his ability. My last memory of
Speaker 1: him from UF is watching a fumble or watching a
Speaker 1: punt yeah inside the five yard line? Just yeah, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Yeah, Like he's just so unreliable off
Speaker 1: the field, but the athleticism is off the chart. He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys you watch him play and he's
Speaker 1: hard to tackle because he's always he's got the Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant spin around. Just he's trying to fight for yard.
Speaker 1: I just want to point this out, like our guy
Speaker 1: LSU's DJ Chark maybe a little inconsistent, good character, Brian
Speaker 1: doesn't like him. This guy very inconsistent, bad character, not
Speaker 1: from LSU, and Brian's just like give him, give them
Speaker 1: to me. I love this guy. I want him. Well.
Speaker 1: One thing I do want to mention is remember last
Speaker 1: year with I'm just saying, Joe Mixon, You're not wrong.
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon wasn't at the combine. Yeah, I've been in
Speaker 1: that rule. Yeah they got rid of it, didn't they. Well,
Speaker 1: nothing's been said publicly about are there any guys, any
Speaker 1: high profile guy he's there that criteria? But wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was any like anything felony related. I thought,
Speaker 1: I am pretty I could think it was more about
Speaker 1: domestic think it was more about domestic viole okay. I
Speaker 1: thought that they included it for any like assault or
Speaker 1: any you know, like and there's a few guys in this.
Speaker 1: I'm fairly I'm fairly certain that it was just DV
Speaker 1: or like that type of stuff, which in my there
Speaker 1: was another guy that wasn't invited that it wasn't just mixing. No,
Speaker 1: it's mixing, and uh, I can't blanket right now, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there was two notables, but this year we don't have that.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was more it was domestic violence,
Speaker 1: but I thought it also included assault too. You might
Speaker 1: be right. I just remember they put a big emphasis
Speaker 1: on DV right. Yeah, as far as I know, there
Speaker 1: aren't any big time pro x who have that. No,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was a bad rule, but
Speaker 1: it's good that you know, we don't have that issue
Speaker 1: this year. Getting back to the interviews, arden Key speaking
Speaker 1: of lsu Hey a guy who have fun with that
Speaker 1: big time combine for him on it during drills and
Speaker 1: then also during interviews the medicals as well. It's going
Speaker 1: on the shoulder, the knee, the back of the finger.
Speaker 1: So but the interviews football passion, Yeah, you're gonna put
Speaker 1: the work in to reach your potential. Yeah, teams are
Speaker 1: gonna have to try and figure this guy out because
Speaker 1: he's a first round talent all day. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna go there. He is going to get
Speaker 1: compared to Randy Gregory. Yeah, it will and you know
Speaker 1: what good or bad he is going to get compared
Speaker 1: to Randy Gregory. Fun, fun little anecdote. I was talking
Speaker 1: draft with somebody over on the important side of the
Speaker 1: building the other day and arden Key came up, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm basically forget about that
Speaker 1: guy because there's so many red flags that I just like,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to even think about him. And he was like,
Speaker 1: trust me, I haven't forgotten about him. Like I think
Speaker 1: this is gonna be big for him, Like what kind
Speaker 1: of shape he's in, how he performs, how his interviews go.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he nails it, arden Key, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: if he has a great combine, I think you'll see
Speaker 1: him talked about as like a you know, a first
Speaker 1: round like like he's kind of the forgotten talent because
Speaker 1: there's so much unknown stuff there, but he could he's
Speaker 1: kind of he's almost like Ruben Foster of this draft,
Speaker 1: a guy that you I think, if everything was clean,
Speaker 1: a top ten player possibly, but because there's so many questions,
Speaker 1: he could easily fall to the end of the first
Speaker 1: round or even into the second because of you have
Speaker 1: questions up and down. I mean, you wouldn't he come
Speaker 1: came back to LSU this year after his four month
Speaker 1: leave of absence. Yeah, he had a rebirth quote unquote,
Speaker 1: um went in great shape, but that's it. He was
Speaker 1: overweight and yes he had the shoulder surgery. Shoulder surgeries
Speaker 1: don't mean that you can't run yea and work out
Speaker 1: and you know, keep off the bad weight. Just plenty
Speaker 1: of questions with this guy. But like if he just
Speaker 1: if he you know, when you write you're like guys
Speaker 1: who won the combine story. Yeah, if he's one of them,
Speaker 1: then I think he'll shoot back into the first round conversation,
Speaker 1: which like I feel like he's he's not as talked
Speaker 1: about as he would be if there weren't so many
Speaker 1: questions marks, right, who takes the chance on him? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm doing him. I do release my updated mock draft
Speaker 1: today and working on it, working on it over the weekend.
Speaker 1: I came this close to putting arden Key New England,
Speaker 1: New England at thirty one. Uh that you know, if
Speaker 1: his interview goes well, New England, the medicals check out.
Speaker 1: New England does not draft like the rest of us.
Speaker 1: They don't have no no, no, I mean this in
Speaker 1: a way, they don't care now they will they have
Speaker 1: they have that luxury. They will look. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what they will do though, They will take some mock
Speaker 1: drafts and see where guys rank. You know they will.
Speaker 1: They will put them in order of how many times
Speaker 1: a guy appeared at what spots. Yeah, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of teams will do it with but you know
Speaker 1: they don't. But they do. They do not care one
Speaker 1: bit what anybody says. That they're on their own. They're
Speaker 1: on their own mission. There two more guys real quick,
Speaker 1: Yeah for the interviews. Two corners. Mike Hues from Central Florida.
Speaker 1: There you go at that incident as a freshman, that
Speaker 1: where he left North Carolina first round player Duco last
Speaker 1: year showed up at UCF absolutely as a first round
Speaker 1: player on the field. And then Holton Hill corner from Texas.
Speaker 1: First of all, that guy has the drug test at
Speaker 1: the combine. That's step number one. And then it's just
Speaker 1: the interviews and him holding up. He's a another good player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean second round, probably a second round town. Here.
Speaker 1: I'm liking guys and her thieves. I guess I'm a
Speaker 1: white white collar criminal guy, am I You're just you
Speaker 1: just like the like you're like, everybody likes a bad
Speaker 1: boy like you. Holton Hill is a good football player.
Speaker 1: You just want you want the satisfaction of taking the
Speaker 1: risk and having it payoff rather than just taking this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm doing radio, rather than just taking
Speaker 1: the safe player. Yeah, I risk reward. I fight. I
Speaker 1: fight for the I fight for the bad guy as
Speaker 1: you were a bad guy too. Oh, I mean there's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I go back. I laugh about John Gruden.
Speaker 1: Remember Derek Alexander. Yeah, yeah, you guys don't like him. Kids,
Speaker 1: he's getting a drinking brod them. That was Gruden when
Speaker 1: Derrick Alexander wide receiver Cleveland took him right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody we were just there was, oh you know this guy. No,
Speaker 1: you don't want him wrong, don't want him wrong, don't
Speaker 1: want him Ron got a drinking problem. No, Gruden, I'm not.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Derek Alexander? Well, you know, Ron,
Speaker 1: I really liked the guy, got him a first round
Speaker 1: grade on him. Ben he's getting a drinking him. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is so many drops right now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see heard that story so many times,
Speaker 1: but this is the first time I think on air
Speaker 1: and I've heard it. Yeah, but that's true. Scouts getting there,
Speaker 1: they start killing these kids. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's and then next thing you know, the coaches come
Speaker 1: in and there and the coaches are just seeing football players.
Speaker 1: They're watching the tent. They're going, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: I don't Hey, it's like us when we sit down
Speaker 1: and watch and we can't figure out why why. You know,
Speaker 1: we're doing the draft. We're Day three and like, dang,
Speaker 1: give me your three best guys on the board. And
Speaker 1: he's got a second round grade on a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there going, wait a minute, the medical problem,
Speaker 1: red flag alcoholism. Every freaking year, it happens. Yeah, every year.
Speaker 1: Every year, it happens. Every year. You got one more guy.
Speaker 1: That's it for interte trying to do the athlete everyone
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, let's do that. Let's do well when
Speaker 1: we come back, let's hit the athletes. We'll do that.
Speaker 1: That would be a good one to do. And then
Speaker 1: we'll do some twitter on the twenty then I promise
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Speaker 1: us on the podcast. However, you're getting this live later,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, hopefully. Again We're always about trying to
Speaker 1: investigate and educate. We're gonna be from the combine. We'll
Speaker 1: be with you. We haven't got the times yet. When
Speaker 1: we will be, it'll probably be more after the in
Speaker 1: the evening live stuff because we've got stuff all day
Speaker 1: assigned barely late if I yeah, yeah, six o'clock ish, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's in where hour ahead, So we're in the
Speaker 1: Eastern time zone there. Yeah, I believe we are. I
Speaker 1: believe we are so yeah, but I'll figure that out. No, No,
Speaker 1: we'll figure out Yeah, thank you Miles, but we will
Speaker 1: Eastern time zone I believe once again. But yeah, where
Speaker 1: we will get the times, we'll tweet those out, we'll
Speaker 1: let everybody know when we're doing. But we're going to
Speaker 1: be trying to be consistent about that. Shows coming off
Speaker 1: on Wednesday Thursday. Damn it, Dane, He's right, Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: fright Eastern time zone. Right. It's almost like he's gone
Speaker 1: to this thing thirty times. Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing
Speaker 1: I actually can't get right. And I can find restaurants
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Speaker 1: I am, but but draft show Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: and we'll get you the time. Go ahead, Dan finished,
Speaker 1: all right, let's move to athletic. You know the sexy
Speaker 1: part of the combine, or as some people call it,
Speaker 1: the underwear Olympics. Yep. But as one of my mentors,
Speaker 1: Cio Brocado said, if you got dressed a soul, you
Speaker 1: don't value the combine. You just don't know how to
Speaker 1: properly use it. And that's what we're gonna. Got a
Speaker 1: lot of numbers from the agility drills and a few
Speaker 1: guys that need to perform well. I'bout Courtland Sutton, wide
Speaker 1: receiver from SMU. Absolutely a player who is a power
Speaker 1: forward on the football field, big athletic. He's fluid, he
Speaker 1: can make easy adjustments on the ball, how asked is he?
Speaker 1: That's a good question, you know, And I think a
Speaker 1: bigger worries the route running and he just needs to
Speaker 1: become more polished player. And it's a guy who's recruited
Speaker 1: as a safety when he went to SMU, so and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a big jump from the SMU offense
Speaker 1: to whatever team he ends up with. But just how
Speaker 1: fast is he? If he runs under a four, five, five,
Speaker 1: I call out a win. Yeah, he's in the first
Speaker 1: round up. Yeah, yeah, But if he's a four or five,
Speaker 1: eight or higher, then that's when we're thinking probably somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top sixty. And it's amazing that a couple
Speaker 1: tents of a second can matter that much what they do,
Speaker 1: but they will. James Washington kind of similar, a guy
Speaker 1: that did well the Senior Bowl, had an illustrious career
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State. Is he a four four guy? Four
Speaker 1: five guy? You know, it's kind of hard to judge
Speaker 1: his speed. We see a separation there down the field,
Speaker 1: and we see that, but it's against big twelve corners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's free access. Playing in the big twelve takes it
Speaker 1: tough to gauge speed sometimes what DJ Chark, a guy
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, and I've said this before in past shows.
Speaker 1: If he hits that four three one fourth too, like
Speaker 1: Will Fuller, could he vault up and possibly sneak enough
Speaker 1: late first round teams looking for that speed. I think
Speaker 1: it's possible. You can't rule it out. Um, who else
Speaker 1: going to talk about? Orlando Brown? Oklahoma, Oklahoma? Heavy feet,
Speaker 1: we know that, but offensive tackle Oklahoma, right, Dad with
Speaker 1: zeus right, not your typical left tackle. He's a big plotter,
Speaker 1: but he still has to test relatively well. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can be average, he just can't be below average. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the film will be interesting because the film is I
Speaker 1: think is good. The athlete, I mean you're gonna see
Speaker 1: him is. He's not gonna move with any a lot
Speaker 1: of grace. He's one I struggle with because I just
Speaker 1: I don't want to tackle with heavy feet. Now he's
Speaker 1: able to compensate in ways, but I just go back
Speaker 1: to I do not want to tackle with heavy feet,
Speaker 1: and so it's he's a tough one to figure out.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Combine will help us with that evaluation. Going over
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Hercules mad offa a
Speaker 1: player who is a question about him. He's position confusion
Speaker 1: a lot, a man without a home. Yeah. He lined
Speaker 1: up as an interior pass rusher for at Washington State
Speaker 1: and he won because of that first step, initial burst
Speaker 1: where he's able to attack gaps and pretty much end
Speaker 1: up in the backfield before the quarterback and running back
Speaker 1: can do anything about it. How is he going to
Speaker 1: look during you know, rushing off the edge? Can he bend?
Speaker 1: Can he drop in space? There are plenty of questions
Speaker 1: about hercules made Offa. If he performs well to combine,
Speaker 1: I think he locks himself up in you know, the
Speaker 1: top sixty picks. He's that type of performer. But if
Speaker 1: he doesn't perform well, then the questions just are illuminated
Speaker 1: even more about okay, what position is transition? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about mad Offa. Uh Chemiko Terrey
Speaker 1: guy we talked about with medicals athleticism matter. Vitea can
Speaker 1: the three forty pound or get under five flat in
Speaker 1: the forty I think Vitevea is gonna put on a
Speaker 1: show with what he does. That's amazing. Really it's uh
Speaker 1: don Terry Poe. He waited in at three forty six
Speaker 1: I think, and he ran a four nine eight and
Speaker 1: that put him. I think he was drafted like twelfth
Speaker 1: overall by the Chiefs. Vita Vee is gonna be a
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these one techniques are gonna
Speaker 1: are gonna put on a show. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: the only one, you know. I think there's some of
Speaker 1: these guys we've got so not those guys. I mean
Speaker 1: they got like five one two on so not run.
Speaker 1: I mean there's some guys net in the drown. Paine's
Speaker 1: a good as exactly. There might be some guys that
Speaker 1: hit right below five or right at it on some
Speaker 1: of these forty yard dash. These guys, they're freaks. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, Georgia linebacker. He's gonna test really well, probably
Speaker 1: over forty in the vert fast, the change of directions easy.
Speaker 1: But another guy, where do you play him? Exactly? What's
Speaker 1: is he? I don't think he's a passed rush I
Speaker 1: think he's strong enough. I don't know the powers a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Can he drop and does he have the
Speaker 1: instincts to play in space? A lot of questions about
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, but I don't think there'll be any question
Speaker 1: about his athleticism. And then we get to the corners
Speaker 1: where a lot of these guys are gonna just test
Speaker 1: off the charts. Denzel Ward h Dante Jackson from LSU
Speaker 1: might pick for the fastest forty this ship Jackson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fastest forty. He might hit the four twos. He's a
Speaker 1: big time athlete. Record center. Oh what's his name? Ross?
Speaker 1: Last year? Yeah, four one seven. I think it hit
Speaker 1: four two one, didn't I don't remember. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: four two one. I don't think you'll get that, but
Speaker 1: four twos is definitely possible. Tony Brown LSU fans in here,
Speaker 1: Tony Brown corner from Alabama, same type of deal. He's
Speaker 1: a track athlete. He's gonna test really well. And then
Speaker 1: Derwin James. Uh, guy, we expect to Durwin James tests
Speaker 1: real well. You just kiss him goodbye. He's gonna blow up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it. If you're a Cowboy fan, you
Speaker 1: need Durwin James just to flop. That would be nice.
Speaker 1: I think most Cowboys fans have accepted the fact that
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna be there at nineteen. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the combine is only going to Malie Cooker
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be there either right, keep reminding that
Speaker 1: let me dream, Yeah, let me dream. Let me all right, Dane,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I appreciate that. Again. Combine all
Speaker 1: this week Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Dane, part of all
Speaker 1: that will be there for we all week with the interviews,
Speaker 1: content writing about guys every day. Dave, Okay, we got
Speaker 1: about ten minutes to go. We can hit a little
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty. Yeah, we do this every year,
Speaker 1: but I think it's important, especially for a combine preview.
Speaker 1: Dustin just wants a refresher on what drills matter for
Speaker 1: which position. So you know your your three cone matters,
Speaker 1: your pass rushers and that type of stuff. I think
Speaker 1: three cone matters for every position. I do too. It's
Speaker 1: that the short shuttle mentioned Ceo Bracado earlier. He created
Speaker 1: the three cone. It just it helps judge a player
Speaker 1: in space, it helps their change direction and maybe besides quarterback,
Speaker 1: I want to see how you know, are they stiff?
Speaker 1: I mean there's no escaping the three cone drill and
Speaker 1: the shuttles. Uh. If you're a stiff athlete, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: won't survive the Oh no, you you will, you will,
Speaker 1: you will know a lot. You will you will get
Speaker 1: exposed if you cannot turn and or you cannot bend
Speaker 1: and turn and have any lateral agility that the three
Speaker 1: cone will kill you. The forty yard dash matters for
Speaker 1: a receiver, I mean in corner. I mean cornerback is
Speaker 1: the stopwatch position because your draft grade and evaluation will
Speaker 1: matter a lot based on how you perform in the
Speaker 1: forty yard dash and some of the other agility drills.
Speaker 1: For pass rushers, I want to know ten yards split, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's that initial explosion off the line vertical? Do you
Speaker 1: have that lower body explosion? Same with the offensive line
Speaker 1: offensive defensive line too. I think that people like to
Speaker 1: see defensive lining with that ten You know, remember Tom Coughlin,
Speaker 1: He'll be down there time and at the tense. I
Speaker 1: mean that's important to those guys, that initial burst off
Speaker 1: the off the line there. Absolutely. Yeah, Kevin wants to
Speaker 1: know what position group do you think will perform the
Speaker 1: best overall. You know we're dis gushing about the defensive
Speaker 1: tackles or somebody else. I would lean towards the corners
Speaker 1: because I think they're gonna be blazing. I think Dante
Speaker 1: Jackson could get in the four twos. I think Denzel Ward,
Speaker 1: Ohio State corner is gonna be in the four threes.
Speaker 1: Tony Brown I mentioned, so I think a lot of
Speaker 1: corners are gonna run really well. But yeah, we mentioned
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, really athletic group. Nathan Shephard, a guy from
Speaker 1: Ford Haye State who we mentioned. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: put on a show with what he can do. Big
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, who older prospect, long journey, but here he
Speaker 1: is on the NFL's doorstep. I think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a good week in Indianapolis. What about the tight ends, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you see, I mean maybe it's a maybe. Some
Speaker 1: some athletic guys got Hurst. I finished hurst tape over
Speaker 1: the weekend. Put a kind of an exclamation point on
Speaker 1: his profile, his report. My comparison for him, I think
Speaker 1: you see a lot of Travis Kelsey in his game.
Speaker 1: There you go, I think, and Travis Kelsey's thank you
Speaker 1: very much watching the draft show, folks. He's a top
Speaker 1: five tight end league. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: mean I think that this if you look at Hurst, Godert, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then then Andrews, you know, we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some guy. I don't know if Andrews
Speaker 1: will test. I mean, I think he's a four seven
Speaker 1: nine guy on the but maybe run better than that.
Speaker 1: But you'll see some guys that I have a feeling
Speaker 1: Aikins from Central for I mean he's I know, he's
Speaker 1: a former. I'm just about athletic ability and stuff like
Speaker 1: he's gonna jump out of the gym exactly there. There
Speaker 1: might be that that that might be a group when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done. You don't normally pay attention
Speaker 1: to tight ends, but this might be a group that's
Speaker 1: worth paying to take. I think the tight end that
Speaker 1: won't test well, it's gonna be Troy fu Mngali and
Speaker 1: he might be the forgotten guy. And that someone's gonna
Speaker 1: get a good player on draft. That Lee Washington, Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Disley from Washington. Another one. I mean, you love that guy.
Speaker 1: I watched him like, yes, not a week ago, and
Speaker 1: you won't shut up him. No, But I'm talking about
Speaker 1: an inline player. Say he's a better blocker than receiver.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big man. Okay, he runs
Speaker 1: crossing rounds all day, get it. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: You put him at wing, you put him in line.
Speaker 1: You put him on the move. This guy, it's moved
Speaker 1: on defensive ends. I mean he will hold the point,
Speaker 1: he will wash. Guy's a road greater he is. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what he is. If you want to if you
Speaker 1: want one of those blocking tight ends, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised that you would ahead of Fumagali as far as
Speaker 1: as far as like a blocking guy, think you will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nathaniel wants to know. He wants a prediction on who
Speaker 1: you think is gonna be the biggest overall standout. Is
Speaker 1: it gonna be a lesser known name who puts himself
Speaker 1: on the radar like Byron Jones did, Or is it
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that you know, like a Derwin
Speaker 1: James who was already a well established guy. About Davenport
Speaker 1: from Yea, Yeah, Marcus Davenport, Marcus Davinest. Well, you know
Speaker 1: a guy that looks like a defensive end. I think
Speaker 1: he'll test really well. I agree about Daniels the center
Speaker 1: from Iowa. Yeah, another guy will probably test well. And
Speaker 1: you watch the drills, he will look so much smoother
Speaker 1: than everyone else. By the way, he was number twenty
Speaker 1: overall in my my mock draft to the Lions. A guy,
Speaker 1: I got him too low and I got him in
Speaker 1: the second round. Uh, I think he's a first round.
Speaker 1: He's got to be a first round. I'm gonna miss
Speaker 1: that one up and still time. I guess he played
Speaker 1: guard and tackle as a freshman, so I think there
Speaker 1: is some versatility there. Went back and watched that tape,
Speaker 1: Kirk Christian Kirk. Yeah, you think he's gonna test that well?
Speaker 1: I think he could see. There's some people who don't
Speaker 1: think he will. I don't know if he's I think
Speaker 1: I think his speed wise will be okay. I think
Speaker 1: he'll be like the chility stuff. You don't Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. Is he as sudden for the shuttle drills.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll find out. Yeah, if you're going
Speaker 1: to run in the low in the high four threes testing.
Speaker 1: I'm so impressed that Kent Garrison is keeping up with
Speaker 1: all the names we're just throwing out with his with
Speaker 1: his good producers. Do any award winner. By the way,
Speaker 1: I just won't let everybody know Cayden Gates on the Okayden,
Speaker 1: hey use me, Hey, sorry, sorry out to Kayden in
Speaker 1: our TV department. He's gonna be award winning guy too.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, he's the guy came up with
Speaker 1: all the ideas for our little up. He's a he's
Speaker 1: a hustler. He has some hustle to him. Okay, speaking
Speaker 1: of hustlers, but we got we talked about Kirk one
Speaker 1: more mentions Vita Vea. I think we talked about him obviously.
Speaker 1: But what he's gonna do at three hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: I think is just it's rare. He's a unicorn. Can
Speaker 1: you disagree with me about Armstrong from Kansas? Do you
Speaker 1: think he does anything? I think you'll have a solid,
Speaker 1: solid combine. Yeah, he's a he's a basketball player. You
Speaker 1: know he's he's gonna move well, he's a balanced athlete. Well,
Speaker 1: people start talking about him. I'm talking about who's a
Speaker 1: buzz guy. Give me a buzz guy that somebody will
Speaker 1: talk about. What's gonna hurt Dorn's Willia or Dorance Armstrong is.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think he's gonna be as
Speaker 1: big with the measurable Yeah, I think you know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Okay, I think the measurables might
Speaker 1: kind of quell the vibe with him. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we always have. I mean, especially these pass rushers, Ard
Speaker 1: and Key. We talked about him. But that guy that
Speaker 1: could really make a name for himself, Josh Sweat from
Speaker 1: Florida State. I think he's going to put up big thing.
Speaker 1: I could be really wrong about him. I'm so intrigued
Speaker 1: by these D tackles because this is you know, y'all
Speaker 1: are gushing about these D tackles, but I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking that's not a position that I really think of.
Speaker 1: Is like like they don't have a run. You don't
Speaker 1: have a run on D tackles. They might way you
Speaker 1: do with receivers. This one might. This might be one
Speaker 1: if you don't get the right guy. You're thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: whoa wait, I lost that ups I lost. You know,
Speaker 1: that would be amazing because like I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I can't think of that ever happening where it's just like, okay,
Speaker 1: here comes the run. D tackles are flying off the board.
Speaker 1: We thought that was going to happen like what two
Speaker 1: years ago, I mean a Shawn Robinson and Jaren Reid
Speaker 1: and that whole group like that, But it was like
Speaker 1: forty one, forty eight yead it was kind of in there.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, but it was a little later on than
Speaker 1: we thought. I guess h and a d tackle we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned today. Taven Bryan from Florida. Yeah. You asked
Speaker 1: the defensive coaches at Florida, they'll tell you that he
Speaker 1: was the best athlete on the team. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: think he's going to test really well, and you know
Speaker 1: that could be the extra jolt he needs to make
Speaker 1: it into the first Buckeye question for you. Dane from
Speaker 1: John okayh Denzel Ward still a top fifteen pick if
Speaker 1: he doesn't measure out well, he's kind of on the
Speaker 1: short side. We did and we didn't talk about that
Speaker 1: fourth category, which is the measurements, but he's one of
Speaker 1: the guys in that category where like if he doesn't
Speaker 1: hit five ten, right, five ten is kind of the
Speaker 1: magic number four him. What's Hurst? I mean, I'm not Hurst?
Speaker 1: What's uh? What's my guy? Hughes the same boat? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is he? What's Fitzpatrick Minka? Yeah? Is he worried about him?
Speaker 1: He's Oh. I'm just saying though, but sure, if you
Speaker 1: depend on where you're playing. He's six foot yeah, six
Speaker 1: foot Menka is not ye, he's a bigger dude, I
Speaker 1: mean at least not his And well, so what if
Speaker 1: he doesn't hit it, or what if somebody doesn't hit it? Well,
Speaker 1: I think we're going into the into this combine knowing
Speaker 1: he's short. You know, I don't so if he comes
Speaker 1: in it, we're talking Ward, right, yeah, Denzel Ward. I
Speaker 1: think he needs to at least be close to five ten.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't hit five, you know, five ten, he
Speaker 1: needs at least be five o nine six, five o
Speaker 1: nine seven at least, you know, be a hair off.
Speaker 1: What's his reach? It does say the length we saw
Speaker 1: that with you know, Jordan lewis not the Taalst guy,
Speaker 1: but he had good length to him and Denzel, he
Speaker 1: needs good length because that's really the only knock against it.
Speaker 1: He battled Simi Cobbs. We watched that this week. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and at Indiana and a couple of times, a couple
Speaker 1: of times, but yeah, and he was down on the
Speaker 1: goal line down there. But I mean he'll battle, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for a shorter guy, he will battle. And they they
Speaker 1: moved him over there, matter of fact to cover cops
Speaker 1: playing the Golden Play. Devil's advocate for me, like, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that we widely. I mean, he's universally
Speaker 1: regarded as a top fifty ten, fifteen pick. Right if
Speaker 1: he doesn't I mean, if he doesn't have that length,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have that height, what type of impact
Speaker 1: does it have? Well, And some teams have strict policies
Speaker 1: when it comes to the cornerbacks, a team that this
Speaker 1: team used to scout for green Bay, green Bay and
Speaker 1: this team as well. Buckley did that. But I mean
Speaker 1: I can't I can't imagine him falling much further than
Speaker 1: like fifteen or twenty, even if he's got the knocks
Speaker 1: outful because we saw like Vernon Hargraves go in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen, a guy that wasn't the biggest at the longest.
Speaker 1: But you had a problem with Hardgraves, right remember that
Speaker 1: on the length. Yeah, I wasn't a big fan of Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I think Den's award. He has the athleticism the
Speaker 1: makeup for it, and then just to cover skills, the
Speaker 1: ball skills instincts. Really the only knock against him is
Speaker 1: the size. But the height is this problem right, well,
Speaker 1: and we don't know about the length. We'll find out
Speaker 1: about that. And see that's what Will said. Will McClay said,
Speaker 1: that he's not so much about high. It's not about
Speaker 1: the high, it's about the arm len your reach, your
Speaker 1: ability to disrupt the catch point. That's that's really where
Speaker 1: it matters, because more often than not, wide receivers are
Speaker 1: going to tower over corners. But if you have that
Speaker 1: reach to at least disrupt the catch point, that's all
Speaker 1: you need to do as a corner. And so for
Speaker 1: Denzel Award, the measurements were big for him, no doubt
Speaker 1: there we go. Be good to go. It's eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: If y'all want to keep going, we can. Why are
Speaker 1: Why aren't we talking about Semi Cobbs? By the way,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Simi Cobbs. We get to the combine,
Speaker 1: big combine for him. Is he gonna run? Yeah? Is
Speaker 1: he gonna run? What's he gonna run? You got arrested
Speaker 1: last summer toom got some nice tape, all right? That
Speaker 1: went for the draft show for the day, but not
Speaker 1: the draft show for the week. We'll be back Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: Saturday from the combine there in Indianapolis. We'll have everything
Speaker 1: covered from the morning workouts all the way through the
Speaker 1: evening and then talk about it at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. So I want to thank my Scouts, Dame Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kake Garrison, executive producer, appreciate everybody out there.
Speaker 1: We'll see you from Indianapolis.