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Speaker 3: Mail from Reply Guy. I'm just joking.
Speaker 6: It's Privacy Guy. Privacy Guy, Isn't that right, Ben? That's
Speaker 6: what he goes by. You guys have corresponded quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the moniker we bestowed upon the Privacy Guy,
Speaker 4: and we do you dig it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He's very very very well versed on all things tech
Speaker 6: when it comes to surveillance, state type stuff, encryption, et cetera.
Speaker 6: And he had a really, really excellent response to our
Speaker 6: discussion about the signal incidents, of course, where high level
Speaker 6: members of the Trump administration were found to be using
Speaker 6: a publicly available app for sending war correspondence or plans.
Speaker 6: That was sort of eves dropped on by a journalist
Speaker 6: from the Atlantic. And when I say Eves dropped, I'm
Speaker 6: using that term very loosely because he was of course
Speaker 6: invited to the chat. Well, that story seems to have
Speaker 6: taken a backseat to a lot of other shenanigans in
Speaker 6: the news.
Speaker 3: I do think it's.
Speaker 6: Important to talk a little bit about the idea of
Speaker 6: what Signal as an app actually is and a distinction
Speaker 6: with it and another app that I mentioned called Telegram,
Speaker 6: which purports to be a very similar app to Signal
Speaker 6: but has a lot of dirty launch and baggage. And
Speaker 6: our buddy privacy guy has a bit of a bone
Speaker 6: to pick with them and with me, and I'm totally
Speaker 6: here for it. Good morning, gentlemen. Just finished listening to
Speaker 6: your strange news segment published March thirty first about the
Speaker 6: signal incident, and I have a few things I need
Speaker 6: to say. First off, I do not want to admit
Speaker 6: to my bias. I like Signal a lot. I do
Speaker 6: have a fair bit of criticism with them, but it's
Speaker 6: mostly nitpicky stuff.
Speaker 3: And again this is.
Speaker 6: Coming from someone who's very well versed in this world
Speaker 6: this type of software, very expert level awareness of what's
Speaker 6: going on in the world of encryption and encryption apps, etc.
Speaker 6: So just keep that in mind when you're hearing some
Speaker 6: of these beefs. I think they're a solid service that
Speaker 6: does great work, and I've gotten all my friends and
Speaker 6: family using them. So first off, he says, Matt set up,
Speaker 6: but pretty sure it was me because I was talking
Speaker 6: about how I have used Telegram in the past and
Speaker 6: how it was my understanding that it was quote basically like.
Speaker 3: Signal with the end to end encryption. Politely, he says.
Speaker 6: No, I think could be further from the truth. Second,
Speaker 6: biased to admit, I can despise Telegram, but I have
Speaker 6: receipts to back up my grudge. First off, Telegram is
Speaker 6: not to end encrypted by defaults and privacy guy, I
Speaker 6: had heard that after the fact. I remember when the
Speaker 6: Telegrams CEO, a French gentleman, was arrested very publicly, and
Speaker 6: all this news was being made about him and his
Speaker 6: role in the way the app functions in some of
Speaker 6: the maybe less than transparent advertisement and claims made around
Speaker 6: the app, and also its use as a tool for
Speaker 6: selling contraband selling illegal narcotics, et cetera. And we also
Speaker 6: pointed out, I believe in a previous discussion on that matter,
Speaker 6: how any app available, any communication device has the potential
Speaker 6: to be used for nefarious purposes, and it is not
Speaker 6: inherently the fault of the proprietors of said you know
Speaker 6: service that it is being used that way. If there
Speaker 6: is a communication to be had, people are going to
Speaker 6: use it for all kinds of things that were maybe
Speaker 6: not intended by the nature of the app. But to backtrack,
Speaker 6: Telegram is not and to end encrypted by default you
Speaker 6: have to manually enable it, which is a complicated process
Speaker 6: that can only be done on mobile devices. So most
Speaker 6: users have a false sense of security about the safety
Speaker 6: of their messages, not like it matters because Telegram's encryption
Speaker 6: is so trash that experts repeatedly warned against using it,
Speaker 6: and these cites multiple sources for this claim. To their defense,
Speaker 6: they did eventually upgrade to m Proto two, which I
Speaker 6: assume as an encryption standard, and I have seen one
Speaker 6: paper saying looks sound quote unquote, but A that was
Speaker 6: only one paper. I've never seen any other audits or
Speaker 6: reviews of the cryptography since. And B even that one
Speaker 6: paper openly admitted this was a very cursory glance, and
Speaker 6: we haven't dug in deep. Last, but not least, however,
Speaker 6: Telegram overtly lied.
Speaker 3: To users for years.
Speaker 6: For years, Telegram's website proudly stated to this day, we
Speaker 6: have shared zero bites of user data with any third parties,
Speaker 6: including governments, after they've actually shared data thousands of times now.
Speaker 6: To be clear, I expect companies to comply with legal orders.
Speaker 6: Signal has, Proton has Proton Mail, as I believe in
Speaker 6: encrypted email service. Maybe they have other wings of that service,
Speaker 6: but I've always heard of it as being like a
Speaker 6: kind of a really really tightly encrypted Gmail alternative.
Speaker 3: Proton has nearly everyone does.
Speaker 6: I also expect companies not to fking lie about it
Speaker 6: and then gaslight their users. Telegram's website has since been
Speaker 6: updated to say today we have shared zero bytes of
Speaker 6: user messages with any third parties. Tricky tricky, including governments
Speaker 6: regarding Signal and Proton complying It's also worth noting that
Speaker 6: they never have anything of value to turn over because
Speaker 6: of their privacy and security. But that's a very good
Speaker 6: point as to why Telegram would have those things. It
Speaker 6: speaks to the misconception that you are pointing out here,
Speaker 6: privacy guy, I wouldn't recommend Telegram to anyone for anything.
Speaker 6: Between shoddy security and constantly lying to and gaslighting their users,
Speaker 6: it's got more red flags than a Chinese flag factory.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 6: Sources for all of these claims full disclosure, that's me
Speaker 6: and my podcast, and yes, I'm being an insufferable. One
Speaker 6: of the sources he cited is his own podcast where
Speaker 6: he's apparently being an insufferable. But hey, self awareness is
Speaker 6: the first step towards recovery. But only because these claims
Speaker 6: have been verifiable for years, and the Telegram fanboys would
Speaker 6: still come into our comment section and dig their heels
Speaker 6: in and argue with us despite the fact that we
Speaker 6: would cite our sources. And then a question for Ben second,
Speaker 6: would I would want to ask Ben about his claims
Speaker 6: against Signal Twice been made the assertion that Signal can
Speaker 6: be cracked by governments. I know you said something to
Speaker 6: the effect that what's official and what's true behind closed
Speaker 6: doors are very different, and I think that's exactly the point.
Speaker 6: Ben and I agree, but this claim seems false. However,
Speaker 6: I respect been a lot and is normally very much
Speaker 6: on point with these sorts of things. Would be worth
Speaker 6: a quick follow up, which we will certainly do momentarily.
Speaker 6: Hopefully none of that came off too aggressive, at least
Speaker 6: not against you. I'm already on record being hostile towards
Speaker 6: Telegram or angry at you, which I'm not.
Speaker 3: But I hope that cleared up a few things. Last thing,
Speaker 3: I think this is worth mentioning.
Speaker 6: PS On your recent episode with Denise Chan, you guys
Speaker 6: recommended one way to avoid scams is to go find
Speaker 6: the right phone numbers independently, rather than trusting the ones
Speaker 6: provided to you.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a great.
Speaker 6: Idea, Sadly these days, it has a couple caveats.
Speaker 3: First, don't trust the AI summaries. We don't, I swear.
Speaker 6: We covered a story recently about how scammers managed to
Speaker 6: push a malicious phone number into the AI summary. I
Speaker 6: was unable to find that story again, but I did
Speaker 6: find this story about a guy who tried to vet
Speaker 6: a phone number for Meta with metas Ai, and it
Speaker 6: falsely assured him that the phone number was legit. Also,
Speaker 6: listeners should definitely start using ad blockers as Another common
Speaker 6: scam is to use malicious ads called malvertizing new one
Speaker 6: on me to create fake websites, either for phishing log
Speaker 6: in credentials or to trick people with fake phone numbers.
Speaker 6: Even the FBI now recommends ad blocking as a cybersecurity measure.
Speaker 6: I personally encourage U block Origin. It's available on all browsers,
Speaker 6: though Chrome has recently severely handicapped it. We were just
Speaker 6: talking off air about how maybe it's time to check
Speaker 6: back in with Firefox.
Speaker 3: That was you bet.
Speaker 6: Yet another reason to stop using Chrome is open source
Speaker 6: and blocks more than just ads, trackers and malicious domains
Speaker 6: as well. Plus other well known ad blockers are known
Speaker 6: to whitelist advertisers for payment. Alternately, you can switch to
Speaker 6: Brave we talked about, which has a built in ad blocker,
Speaker 6: but does whitelist ads on their search engine.
Speaker 3: Of course, a lot of good.
Speaker 6: Information there, Privacy guy, I am getting rid of Telegram immediately,
Speaker 6: but to the point of signal having the potential for
Speaker 6: being cracked, I wonder if we might discuss that a
Speaker 6: little bit at Privacy Guy's request.
Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah, First, privacy Guy, thank you so much for
Speaker 4: calling me quote normally really smart and knowing my stuff.
Speaker 4: End quote. And they'll thank you for calling me on
Speaker 4: point this is I was paraphrasing as this is a
Speaker 4: this is a great thing that you wrote to us
Speaker 4: about Privacy Guy, because I responded back, we did need
Speaker 4: to be more clear on this point, in particular, without
Speaker 4: going too into the signal seaweeds, I was indeed referring
Speaker 4: to the rarefied air of state level malware like Vegas's
Speaker 4: or Paragon, and to a lesser degree, the good old
Speaker 4: fashioned social engineering aspects. And we wanted to make sure
Speaker 4: we get this out to the world because you know,
Speaker 4: it's no I'd love that you pick this because it's
Speaker 4: it's such a great point right now from what we understand,
Speaker 4: without the deployment of those very sophisticated high level programs signal,
Speaker 4: even at the federal level, the the authorities in the
Speaker 4: US can get the day and time user registered, the
Speaker 4: last date of a user's connection with the service, but
Speaker 4: they cannot get the actual content of the messages.
Speaker 3: Unless you get invited to a chat group in.
Speaker 4: Which we can't be kind of like social engineering.
Speaker 6: Well, that's what I was getting to bet, and I
Speaker 6: think to your point, you can crack just about anything
Speaker 6: through old fashion methods, you know, is by like sneaking
Speaker 6: a peek over someone's shoulder when they're I mean, like,
Speaker 6: let's think about that.
Speaker 3: That is a form of cracking. Again.
Speaker 6: I know, privacy guy here is coming at this very
Speaker 6: much from the point of view of cyber security of hacking,
Speaker 6: but we just recently did an episode about Russian sleeper agents,
Speaker 6: and so many of the techniques deployed with that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff is just good old fashioned spying, using your
Speaker 6: eyes and biting your time and maybe getting someone's password,
Speaker 6: you know, through analog.
Speaker 3: Means that is absolutely away.
Speaker 6: The point being that these types of conversations that we're
Speaker 6: talking about here should probably be held in like a skiff,
Speaker 6: one of those information isolated spaces that are heavily monitored
Speaker 6: and that are designed for very specific types of conversation.
Speaker 3: Doing anything on.
Speaker 6: A publicly available app that is potentially on your phone
Speaker 6: just feels like an absolute can of worms, you know.
Speaker 4: Tut tut, It's a bag of unfortunate badgers. There's another
Speaker 4: point because we are, as Lil said, paraphrasing you a
Speaker 4: bit privacy guy, and I am a fan of your show.
Speaker 3: What's the name of a show? Can we shout it out?
Speaker 4: That is valence reports. So another point that we were
Speaker 4: talking about Privacy Guide was the idea that I think
Speaker 4: the public needs to be more aware of the theoretical
Speaker 4: capability to deploy things like Pagasus or Paragon is way
Speaker 4: different from actually using it because we often forget. We're
Speaker 4: saying this in correspondence. We can all see we can
Speaker 4: often forget that a lot of state agencies that would
Speaker 4: be using these programs they're continually running up against budget constraints,
Speaker 4: their internal turf wars and so on. You know, I
Speaker 4: always imagine our poor NSA intern Steve, reading our emails
Speaker 4: and going, oh my god, you guys, I have to
Speaker 4: get through four hundred more of these before lunch. Do
Speaker 4: we have it in the budget? I'm a contractor. So
Speaker 4: we have to understand that it's devilishly easy for our valid,
Speaker 4: well earned paranoia and cins to at times impede critical thought.
Speaker 4: Signal does seem pretty secure unless you do some extra
Speaker 4: special moves.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, Can we talk about the other thing that
Speaker 2: was brought up, ad blockers. Yes, so as a human
Speaker 2: being that experiences the Internet and things that have lots
Speaker 2: of ads in them, yes, ad blockers all day. But
Speaker 2: it does feel like there's a whole lot of industry
Speaker 2: online that is built on the fact that human beings
Speaker 2: will see and hear ads.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to feel about it, because I
Speaker 2: definitely want them and have used them in the past,
Speaker 2: but also we do kind of need them, and don't
Speaker 2: we want them to be less horrifying because they're like
Speaker 2: if you try and look at anything online now, especially
Speaker 2: a place that supposedly has stories about the news, sure,
Speaker 2: it's the layouts with the ads and what they do.
Speaker 5: It's it's tear.
Speaker 4: It's almost like the actual story is a caption in
Speaker 4: between large blocks of ads. Yeah, yeah, this is off Mic.
Speaker 4: We were talking with Dylan, and I want to thank
Speaker 4: you Dylan for recommending something. We'd love to hear your
Speaker 4: opinion on privacy Guy the browser libre Wolf l I
Speaker 4: b r E Wolf. This feels like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: like you're saying, it's kind of a pickle because online
Speaker 4: advertising is sort of the Achilles Heel of digital monetization.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't want the Guardian to go away,
Speaker 2: but they have to sell some ads, so it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, yeah, I still know how to feel about it.
Speaker 5: Maybe we should throw to some ads.
Speaker 3: No, I think we should.
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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we're jumping to the phone lines
Speaker 2: immediately to hear from someone you might recognize the.
Speaker 3: Fog roll in object matter.
Speaker 6: Who knows what evil in the hearts of men?
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, the Shadow knows well, you have seen that
Speaker 4: same evil in his.
Speaker 3: Own black her.
Speaker 4: Nice nailing it, nailing.
Speaker 5: Oh and that's all we get.
Speaker 4: That's great, it's great. Takes me back to buying cassette
Speaker 4: tapes at a cracker barrel to get those old radio place.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice. Well, I think that I think Viking
Speaker 2: was listening to a previous episode and heard us mention
Speaker 2: the Shadow, because that is, in fact, I don't know
Speaker 2: what you say. The catchphrase the opening line of ye
Speaker 2: old nineteen thirties radio program, The Shadow that you can
Speaker 2: read about at the Radio Hall of fame. By the way,
Speaker 2: it was inducted in nineteen eighty nine. Very very cool.
Speaker 2: I want to give you, guys another line that maybe
Speaker 2: Viking you could call back in and give us this too.
Speaker 2: The weed of crime bears bitter fruit. Crime does not
Speaker 2: pay taste gross. Really, that's the only reason I want
Speaker 2: to play, guys, because we mentioned it.
Speaker 5: I thought it was cool.
Speaker 4: It's funny. There's a bit of synchronicity here, Matt, because
Speaker 4: I was thinking I was going to go on to
Speaker 4: here's where it gets crazy and bring resurrect our old
Speaker 4: conversation about choosing superpowers. Would love to hear everybody's favorite superpowers,
Speaker 4: and the Shadow does have superpowers without getting too into
Speaker 4: the lore. I love how he can what is it.
Speaker 4: He can sort of aggressively hypnotize people. He can men's minds,
Speaker 4: you know, with internal shadows. That's it.
Speaker 2: So people can't see him. He's there the whole time,
Speaker 2: He's right there, but they have no idea.
Speaker 4: It'd be great to hear. It'd be great to hear
Speaker 4: like a new adaptation of The Shadow. I know it's
Speaker 4: a franchise now. There were some recent comic book adaptations,
Speaker 4: but it'd be great to hear like a world where
Speaker 4: the shadows invisibility or obscuring powers apply to the digital
Speaker 4: world as well, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude.
Speaker 2: So shout out to Frank Frank Readick, who was the
Speaker 2: original Shadow, and also shout out to Orson Wells, who,
Speaker 2: at twenty two years old, began playing the Shadow.
Speaker 5: No way, Yes, pretty awesome radio.
Speaker 2: The Radio history for your ears. There you go check
Speaker 2: out the Radio Hall of Fame. It's awesome, by the way, Yes,
Speaker 2: so cool. All right, guys, jump into the next thing.
Speaker 2: That is not what you're expecting, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: play it very quickly here just for giggles.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 7: I want you to know this is stuff I don't
Speaker 7: want to spend. What's driving my car to next kit
Speaker 7: for a wedding kept playing bubble Beat Tuna in a
Speaker 7: very specific.
Speaker 8: Manner that made me think that you.
Speaker 7: Also enjoyed as certain Jim Carrey movie from the nineties.
Speaker 7: And I just I mean, I just the nods, wink, nudge,
Speaker 7: it's all there.
Speaker 9: From this time of the table.
Speaker 7: That's where you're going. If not, you're just enjoying the names,
Speaker 7: then Rock On's brother, but kind of.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I got a curri vibes. That's all. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: go now.
Speaker 2: Back nonsense Poopy Pence.
Speaker 5: Sorry, well.
Speaker 2: That's right, and you must be the monopoly guy. It's
Speaker 2: in the bone, it's in the bull. These are all
Speaker 2: my references from that movie.
Speaker 3: The second Yes, when nature calls, oh.
Speaker 4: I got what hippo fotomous right like fo all right.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's actually a rhino.
Speaker 4: Ben rhino.
Speaker 3: Okay, r rhino is right.
Speaker 4: That's what I get from coming out the wrong end
Speaker 4: of it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 6: You never know what I don't really they don't really
Speaker 6: focus on the head too much.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, uh I was gonna play a clip of
Speaker 2: it because it's so great hearing Jim Carrey as a
Speaker 2: Spenta say bumble bee tuna a whole bunch, But the
Speaker 2: actual phrasing that comes from a Fulton Green wall, which
Speaker 2: is like the the guide basically that is taking a
Speaker 2: Spenta through and meeting the tribes. He says bumble way tuna,
Speaker 2: bumble way a tuna, and uh Ace believes it is
Speaker 2: bumble bee tunas so wonderful.
Speaker 3: How do you think a Ventura would have vibe with
Speaker 3: the Sentinel ease?
Speaker 2: I was thinking that, and I was afraid to sup
Speaker 2: have the thought.
Speaker 4: Nothing problematic about that situation.
Speaker 2: He would say, bubble bee tuna, ace Ventura, pet detective,
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon? Alrighty, then excuse me, your
Speaker 2: balls are showing bubble bee tuna.
Speaker 5: That is verbatim.
Speaker 6: You know this movie to a shocking degree. I'm just
Speaker 6: gonna say.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it was one of those films in
Speaker 4: that Halcyon era where kids of a certain age would
Speaker 4: go see that they would say, okay, so this is
Speaker 4: my personality.
Speaker 2: Now, well that's what funny is. It made me go, oh,
Speaker 2: I think whatever this is is hilarious.
Speaker 4: So I really liked him.
Speaker 6: Carry he's electric, He's great. I have that for the
Speaker 6: first one. I remember him singing out of his butt.
Speaker 5: Yes, they refer to that in the second film.
Speaker 2: There's a moment when they're in the mansion and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, we don't They're looking for ace Ventura and
Speaker 2: the guy says, uh, we don't have names here, we
Speaker 2: don't have labels here. He's like the one who talks
Speaker 2: out of his butt and he's like, oh right, right
Speaker 2: this way.
Speaker 4: I do also have some good news for you stuff.
Speaker 4: They want you to sandwich here. In addition to all
Speaker 4: the great life's life milestones you have met. Uh, dear
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist friend and neighbor, ace Ventura three has been
Speaker 4: in the works for several shut up, I can't shut
Speaker 4: up because I'm telling you the truth. Ace Ventura three
Speaker 4: has been uh it's in production limbo for a while,
Speaker 4: but apparently they're still kind of wagh in it. It
Speaker 4: just depends on, you know, how Jim Carrey's feeling.
Speaker 3: I just don't know that it blends with the current
Speaker 3: zeit geist. I think it's maybe.
Speaker 4: Take a different direction, you know, ben the genre a
Speaker 4: little bit won't make it? No, make it like a
Speaker 4: true attack the thing.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Oh if it was like really gritty and.
Speaker 4: Dark, Yeah, you know what I mean, don't recast pretty crazy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ace Ace is the same. We just have who
Speaker 2: is the character from the first True Detective?
Speaker 4: We love Rustle Also quick note to get in front
Speaker 4: of the emails. Yes, folks, we realize there is a
Speaker 4: Sventura Junior Pet Detective, which is sometimes called the third
Speaker 4: ace Ventura, but as purest as people with respect for
Speaker 4: the high art of cinema. We're we're holding out for
Speaker 4: the Jim Carrey help, Yes, the.
Speaker 6: Way to that point. Son of the Mask? Not really truly,
Speaker 6: you've not heard of the Son of the Mask.
Speaker 4: It's so bad, we don't not even in the comics.
Speaker 5: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Well, with all of this in mind, let's jump to
Speaker 2: a rather more serious listener mail getting out of the
Speaker 2: when nature calls vibes here. By the way, A Sventura
Speaker 2: is the guy who was trying to attain enlightenment when
Speaker 2: he gets that medallion from one of the monks. It
Speaker 2: took him like eighty years to get the medallion, and
Speaker 2: the monk is like, no, just just take the just
Speaker 2: take it and get out here.
Speaker 5: Please. Okay, let's go to Art Vandalay.
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, you can call me Art Vandalay. I just
Speaker 9: listened to the tariff episode as I'm commuting into my
Speaker 9: supply chain job in the building products industry been around
Speaker 9: since before twenty eighteen when Trump laid the first, you know,
Speaker 9: heavy hand of tariffs on China, and you know, in our.
Speaker 8: Particular space, not only did it increase the price to
Speaker 8: import those goods, but also, the capability to produce some
Speaker 8: of those goods did not exist outside of China, where
Speaker 8: a lot of the innovation of exists. So several companies
Speaker 8: started up factories, whether that was in Southeast Asia or
Speaker 8: even here in the US. And it's very difficult to
Speaker 8: manage when when the rhetoric changes, you know, day by.
Speaker 10: Day, week by week. But I guess, I guess that's
Speaker 10: job security, right. So one thing I thought I would
Speaker 10: bring up is here, just yesterday, a factory in our
Speaker 10: industry based here in the US, just outside of Atlanta,
Speaker 10: got raided and suspected of human trafficking. So for all
Speaker 10: the all the things that end up in the news,
Speaker 10: a lot of folks don't believe it's gonna be gonna
Speaker 10: be the ones here in the US.
Speaker 9: So anyways, love the show, appreciate you guys.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 4: Wo okay, And that's referring to the March twenty fifth rate, maybe.
Speaker 2: March twenty fifth, twenty sixth grade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is well.
Speaker 2: I shared just now in the chat a website for
Speaker 2: well made floors dot com. And if you head on
Speaker 2: over there, you'll find a website filled with well made, waterproof,
Speaker 2: premium flooring and vinyl planks and all kinds of dry
Speaker 2: back planks and bamboo planks, and it just looks like
Speaker 2: a wonderful website with all kinds of great products that
Speaker 2: you can put on the bare part of your floor
Speaker 2: so now you can walk on it. And this is
Speaker 2: the thing that Art Vandala is referring to this specific
Speaker 2: company that has this website there, let's say factory, their offices,
Speaker 2: whatever the place is. It looks like a giant warehouse,
Speaker 2: to be honest, if you look at it from above
Speaker 2: or you look at the actual place that got raided.
Speaker 2: It got raided, yeah, on Wednesday, March twenty sixth, and
Speaker 2: that was the FBI, Homeland Security, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation,
Speaker 2: and Bartow County's Sheriff's office all went in because there
Speaker 2: were allegations of human and potential sexual servitude that were
Speaker 2: being instituted there by human beings that were trafficked from
Speaker 2: other countries, and it was happening right around the corner
Speaker 2: from US guys. Well, you know, we hear a lot
Speaker 2: of things about Atlanta being bad in this area, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, international hub of trafficking and a national hub do
Speaker 4: at least in part to having the world's busiest airport.
Speaker 5: There you go, there you go exactly.
Speaker 2: So let's let's read a little bit from Fox five Atlanta,
Speaker 2: one of the local folks near us. They wrote on
Speaker 2: March twenty six, twenty twenty five, the day that this
Speaker 2: raid occurred, that this was part of a multi year
Speaker 2: investigation into labor trafficking, and the company's owner, zoo Chen Zhuche,
Speaker 2: and his nephew were both arrested and face charges of
Speaker 2: trafficking persons for labor or sexual servitude. And yeah, there
Speaker 2: are allegations that victims were brought in from other countries
Speaker 2: and forced to live in inadequate conditions and work for
Speaker 2: well made for little pay. There were hundreds of employees
Speaker 2: at the company and dozens of them are potential victims.
Speaker 2: There are stories coming out from people who are interviewed,
Speaker 2: because in a situation like this, the FBI and Homeland
Speaker 2: Security raid a factory like that or a distribution center,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, they raid it. Then
Speaker 2: they separate everybody and they interview everybody separately, and some
Speaker 2: of those interviews have been leaked. Let's say to the press,
Speaker 2: one of those like, we aren't going to say who
Speaker 2: this person is, but here is their quote. They have
Speaker 2: talked about small living spaces where twelve human beings were
Speaker 2: supposed to live in a townhouse situation, and then being
Speaker 2: taken by van to this distribution center slash factory to
Speaker 2: work for like twelve hour days sometimes longer, then shipped
Speaker 2: back and the next group of twelve people that is
Speaker 2: now in the house, they just witch between the housing
Speaker 2: and the factory and that's like their life essentially for
Speaker 2: almost no pay. Just a really messed up situation. You
Speaker 2: can read an official US Immigration and Customs Enforcement little
Speaker 2: thing that they put out on April fourth about this,
Speaker 2: like a pr statement. Essentially, they're saying this operation targeted
Speaker 2: allegations of labor trafficking involving foreign nationals, as well as
Speaker 2: financial crimes linked to the employer's business practices. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: sorry to bring us down there, guys, after all the funness,
Speaker 2: but just to point out that there this kind of
Speaker 2: thing that we have on this show talked about, you know,
Speaker 2: in a lot of other places in other parts of
Speaker 2: the world. It does happen here in the US. It
Speaker 2: happens in whatever country you are in right now. It
Speaker 2: is just a thing we need to tackle and deal with.
Speaker 2: And it is not something that can just get stamped out.
Speaker 2: This is a multi year investigation that had to go
Speaker 2: into you know, potentially freeing some people from some form
Speaker 2: of servitude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this unfortunately can be politicized or can be
Speaker 4: used as rationale or increasing erosions of rights and rule
Speaker 4: of law. But to that point just made it is
Speaker 4: mission critical to realize that human trafficking is a thing,
Speaker 4: and it's not always the thing you might see in
Speaker 4: films like Take It. It can be much more regional.
Speaker 4: It is occurring in all fifty US states to m
Speaker 4: degree or another.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and we've been talking about ICE and all
Speaker 2: the terrible crap they've been getting up to lately, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, horrifying stuff. But it's also an organization that
Speaker 2: can go through and do this and actually do some
Speaker 2: good even though ICE isn't. They are the ones actually
Speaker 2: doing the investigation. That's the local Atlanta FBI office, the
Speaker 2: Georgia Bureau of Investigation in the Bonto sheriffs as well
Speaker 2: as Home Insecurity or HSI. But still thinking about things
Speaker 2: as more complicate. Things are always more complicated than whatever
Speaker 2: story or news is given you, right, And that's one
Speaker 2: of the things we always talk about on this show.
Speaker 2: So even something like ice can function for good in
Speaker 2: the way USDA is often vilified. Right, it can function
Speaker 2: for good. It just depends on who's running it, what
Speaker 2: the rules are, well, mostly who's running it, right, like
Speaker 2: who is making the rules and enforcing the rules that
Speaker 2: are internally enforced in my opinion at least, so.
Speaker 4: Say we all, I would imagine, and I love the
Speaker 4: point because you're right, we continually return to it. The
Speaker 4: hard truth about reality is it takes more than five
Speaker 4: minutes or three to five minutes on afternoon news to
Speaker 4: explain a situation. All those stories you hear, think of
Speaker 4: them like opening a door for you or knocking on
Speaker 4: a door for you and saying this a lot. And
Speaker 4: I don't want to say, you know what, I don't
Speaker 4: care if I sound like a broken record. It's extremely
Speaker 4: dangerous to paint with a broad brush with most things.
Speaker 4: So thank you so much for bringing this story to
Speaker 4: bear our Vandalay and Matt. I think we're going to
Speaker 4: see more of these situations, you know, and it's going
Speaker 4: to be increasingly politicized, at least over the near term
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, And with that, we'll take a
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Speaker 4: And we have returned. This is guys, here's the way
Speaker 4: I'm thinking of this. We treat this last part of
Speaker 4: our weekly segment as more of a story sharing thing,
Speaker 4: because you'll recall we did an episode quite recently on
Speaker 4: a third party insurance industry entity called evi Core, or
Speaker 4: as its many critics call it, evil Core. Do we
Speaker 4: remember that episode?
Speaker 3: How can we forget evil Core?
Speaker 4: It really leads an impression, it sure does, Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I'd agree with that. We I think we all walked
Speaker 4: away somewhat righteously indignant, if not a bit depressed by
Speaker 4: the by the state of the situation. And it turns
Speaker 4: out a lot of us in the audience felt the
Speaker 4: same way. So we're going to share just a couple
Speaker 4: of stories from our fellow listeners, some of whom experienced
Speaker 4: the hazards of prior authorization, some of whom worked in
Speaker 4: the industry in one way or another and also witnessed
Speaker 4: this Leviathan in action. So first, let's go to somebody
Speaker 4: going with a fantastic name. Are you ready? We're not ready.
Speaker 4: It's paint Chip Nachos paints a.
Speaker 3: Picture GISs some really mommy, So Paychef.
Speaker 4: Nacho says, hello there, thanks for all you do. I'm
Speaker 4: writing today to give you a little story about my
Speaker 4: experience with prior authorizations through insurance. I have EDS, which
Speaker 4: is a rare soft tissue disorder which causes pain and fatigue,
Speaker 4: among other things on a daily basis, meaning this is
Speaker 4: a chronic condition. Editorializing here, Paychef Nachos continues and says,
Speaker 4: I'm on SSDI for my disabilities, as I have many
Speaker 4: comorbidities associated with all of this. My doctors put in
Speaker 4: referrals left and right to multiple other doctors. Some of
Speaker 4: these referrals get denied with the excuse that quote the
Speaker 4: patient must discuss a proper medical plan with their doctor
Speaker 4: before approval end quote. So some of my doctors wrote
Speaker 4: in appeals for me as well as myself, explaining that
Speaker 4: my doctor has already wrote out a plan and that's
Speaker 4: why I need the referral. A bit of a catch
Speaker 4: twenty two for paint Chip Nachos. One of my denials
Speaker 4: was for trigger points injections in my muscles to ease
Speaker 4: my pain and headaches, which they wrote in as medically necessary.
Speaker 4: My insurance came back with a denial, saying they needed
Speaker 4: a peer review, which went my doctor, who's already super busy,
Speaker 4: has to call my insurance and talk to someone there
Speaker 4: in their medical department. When my doctor called, and she
Speaker 4: did call twice, no one from my insurance answered the phone,
Speaker 4: and they sent a denial due to my doctor not
Speaker 4: properly calling for that peer review. I finally got a
Speaker 4: series of three procedures approved, even though I need a
Speaker 4: series of six for my pain to dissipate from a
Speaker 4: six to probably a two to three on the Pain
Speaker 4: scale and paint Chip Nachos, check out our earlier work
Speaker 4: on the Sackler family to figure out just how fraud
Speaker 4: the idea of the pain scale is. Nachos, You continue,
Speaker 4: I always wonder why I even pay for insurance if
Speaker 4: I'll be not denied necessary procedures. I have so many
Speaker 4: doctors that insurance is necessary. But man, oh man, I've
Speaker 4: also changed insurance companies. However, this new insurance company doesn't
Speaker 4: need any prior authorizations. It'll possibly deny any procedures after
Speaker 4: I get them if my doctors don't specifically note that
Speaker 4: my procedures are medically necessary. So this leaves me in
Speaker 4: the dark until my bill comes in and then this
Speaker 4: goes on a little bit. But the thesis statement here
Speaker 4: from paint Chip Nachos is that prior authorizations mean nothing
Speaker 4: and insurance just wants to keep you sick no matter
Speaker 4: what the cost, and then followed up with some very
Speaker 4: very kind words. Theare we say teen winded words? That's
Speaker 4: for you, paint Chip Nachos. I wanted to pause here
Speaker 4: before you go the next one. Guys, does this experience
Speaker 4: seem like something that might be common to a lot
Speaker 4: of our listeners or perhaps to you in your personal lives.
Speaker 2: I've never experienced it for but I can definitely imagine
Speaker 2: just by you know, other news stories that will come
Speaker 2: out where this very thing is described.
Speaker 3: Same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not something that I run across.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad to here's something you guys have not
Speaker 4: personally experienced, and hopefully that remains true in the future.
Speaker 4: We'll go to our next one. Papa Ly Papaly, you say,
Speaker 4: greetings and salutations. I just finished listening to your episode
Speaker 4: on the prior authorizations conspiracy. As a mental healthcare provider,
Speaker 4: I'm very much tied to insurance companies. I have also
Speaker 4: been doing this long enough to remember when the providers
Speaker 4: just sent the bill to the insurance company and they
Speaker 4: paid it dun dun, dung, and the patient only had
Speaker 4: to deal with the kope. I also remember when they
Speaker 4: tried to cap sessions and tried to make us verify
Speaker 4: every session. There's a bit of malicious compliance with that one.
Speaker 4: If you want to hear about it, we do, please
Speaker 4: write to us. And this is where papaly gives us
Speaker 4: a pretty cool question. Are there any nonprofit insurance companies?
Speaker 4: If so, how do they operate in the current landscape?
Speaker 4: And that's a question for the group because if you
Speaker 4: folks in the US, if you take your Internet browser
Speaker 4: choice and you look for just nonprofit insurance companies, what
Speaker 4: you're going to find are a lot of traditional for
Speaker 4: profit insurance companies who have special programs for nonprofit companies.
Speaker 4: So it's it's already a little bit money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never actually looked for nonprofit insurance.
Speaker 4: It seems somewhat paradox account.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, especially in our TIS. I mean, it
Speaker 6: seems like it would be cool if that's whatever, it'd
Speaker 6: be great, like, Yeah, how does that even function.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 4: How does that work?
Speaker 2: Who benefits?
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? They're like, have you guys seen the
Speaker 3: new season of Black Mirror, by the way, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the whole thing. I haven't seen the whole.
Speaker 6: Thing, but I've seen the first three and the first episode,
Speaker 6: which is quite dark.
Speaker 3: It's called common People.
Speaker 6: It really is about the healthcare system. And you know,
Speaker 6: I've seen actually a podcast I listened to called The
Speaker 6: Weekly Planet with these lovely Australian fellows. They didn't get
Speaker 6: why that episode hits so close to home for so
Speaker 6: many people. Rather let me rephrase that, they did exercise
Speaker 6: empathy and look at why it might hit close And
Speaker 6: the reason is in Australia they don't have the same
Speaker 6: kind of show of a medical you know system that
Speaker 6: we have. So the issues that are demonstrated that are
Speaker 6: shown in this episode Common People about just you know,
Speaker 6: crippling medical debt, the idea of subscription models more or
Speaker 6: less for your.
Speaker 4: Own healthcare, native dystopian.
Speaker 6: Native advertising, all of that thing, but specifically that subscription
Speaker 6: model to just keep yourself or your loved ones alive
Speaker 6: is something that is very real and feels very close
Speaker 6: to home here as American citizens. What you're talking about
Speaker 6: here us not being able to wrap our heads around
Speaker 6: the idea of insurance that is intended to benefit individuals
Speaker 6: rather than for you know, massive profits exclusively. It's something
Speaker 6: that we have a hard time wrapping our head around
Speaker 6: here as well.
Speaker 4: It's one of the Yeah, that's why I love your
Speaker 4: questions so much, Populy. It's one of the biggest differences,
Speaker 4: or one of the biggest unique aspects of the United
Speaker 4: States amid all the developed countries existing in the world.
Speaker 4: And it's it's a dangerous thing. It's a shame that
Speaker 4: it's been so tribalized and politicized and gosh commodified, modified,
Speaker 4: all the other words that are bad that end in ied.
Speaker 4: We'll do one more. We'll do one more. We'll go
Speaker 4: to farm a nurse. Farmer nurse says, you can call
Speaker 4: me farmer nurse. I just listened to your Evil Core episode.
Speaker 4: That's how farmer Nurse spells it, and felt compelled to
Speaker 4: add to the story. The insurance company and evil cores
Speaker 4: of this country have far too much say in the
Speaker 4: healthcare we received. Here's my real life example. I work
Speaker 4: for or a pharmaceutical company that has the only FDA
Speaker 4: approved treatment for rare disease. This treatment doesn't just make
Speaker 4: the patient marginally better, this is a life saving treatment
Speaker 4: that allows them to lead a completely normal life. Needless
Speaker 4: to say, this is a very expensive drug. To your point, nol,
Speaker 4: that's another thing that sounds crazy outside of the US,
Speaker 4: but makes sense in this current milieu. Farmer Nurse continues.
Speaker 4: Frequently the insurance company evil Core will tell the doctor
Speaker 4: that they cannot use our FDA approved drug, but instead
Speaker 4: must first try another treatment that is not even FDA
Speaker 4: approved for this particular diagnosis. So now, says Farmer Nurse,
Speaker 4: these companies are not only saying that doctor is wrong
Speaker 4: for prescribing this medication, but they are also saying the
Speaker 4: FDA doesn't know what they're talking about. Needless to say,
Speaker 4: this topic makes me very hot under the collar. Our
Speaker 4: healthcare system needs a major overhaul. We spend more per
Speaker 4: patient than any other country, but our health outcomes are
Speaker 4: the same or worse than all other countries. Evil Core
Speaker 4: may be trying to lower our healthcare spending, but they
Speaker 4: are not doing anything to improve the patient's health.
Speaker 3: Here here preach huzzah, no, not hazza. Whatever the opposite
Speaker 3: of his eyes.
Speaker 4: Uh nuzzah, Yeah, sure love it.
Speaker 3: This is not cool. Sorry, guys, it's.
Speaker 4: Very much not cool, and that's because it's very much true.
Speaker 4: These are just a few of the letters we've received
Speaker 4: regarding our prior authorization episode. Please check it out if
Speaker 4: your afternoon is going too well and you need some
Speaker 4: bad news. What hits me about this, guys and fellow
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist, all of us playing along at home, is
Speaker 4: that everybody seems to be roughly on the same page.
Speaker 4: Everybody who is not a shareholder or a board member
Speaker 4: is saying, yes, the system is broken. The disagreements are
Speaker 4: only on what the solutions could be.
Speaker 5: Hey, I got some solutions for you.
Speaker 4: All right, let's hear the top three.
Speaker 5: No, I can't say I'm out loud.
Speaker 3: Oh ye, good bye? All right?
Speaker 4: What if we each do one? I'll do one. Having
Speaker 4: big boy, grown up healthcare system.
Speaker 5: That's a good one. How about that's a good one.
Speaker 3: How about a kicking the nuts?
Speaker 4: Okay, kicking the nuts that's number two good?
Speaker 2: How about Sovereign Wealth fund?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: I love a little s w F.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: I pose a question to myself, who exactly is deserving
Speaker 6: of said kicking the nuts kind of hard to pin down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was picturing it like a like a metaphorical
Speaker 4: or metal level preise capital and nuts. You could even
Speaker 4: do it. We could do like an acronym right National
Speaker 4: United tough speech. No, no, no, no, no, there's a
Speaker 4: better one there. I'm just freestyling.
Speaker 5: Adam Smith.
Speaker 4: What that that would be like? Nads?
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm just sorry. Im thinking about who to
Speaker 5: kick in the nuts?
Speaker 3: They are?
Speaker 4: Okay? First off, in defense of Adam Smith, by the way,
Speaker 4: he uses the phrase invisible hand very rarely in his work.
Speaker 3: Question ran with that.
Speaker 6: Question, y'all, what if there were a vigilante out there
Speaker 6: instead of killing healthcare CEOs.
Speaker 3: Just kicking them in the nuts?
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 5: I like it, or nut man, that's really good. But
Speaker 5: what if instead they're going through and waking up the
Speaker 5: CEOs of all the healthier corporations and you know, quietly
Speaker 5: influencing them to let them finally understand how horrifying all
Speaker 5: of this is.
Speaker 4: I like that. I like, let's add to the superpowered
Speaker 4: dossier because I think wouldn't it also be more psychologically
Speaker 4: troubling if, instead of just sometimes people get kicked in
Speaker 4: the nuts, but other times he's just doing the thing
Speaker 4: where he sneaks into the house and then he wakes
Speaker 4: the person up and he gently touches their balls, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, or just just shows himself outside
Speaker 2: the window so he doesn't have to actually break in,
Speaker 2: but the person inside knows. I like tack the nuts
Speaker 2: right outside my window.
Speaker 4: I like the personal horror. You know, that's such violation.
Speaker 4: You wake up and someone ooh no, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: that's breaking several laws.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's very very it is very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very much. We're going to end with a
Speaker 4: quick palate cleansers, some letters from home. This is our
Speaker 4: this is our part where you know, we try not
Speaker 4: to end on too much terrible news, so we just
Speaker 4: give some We we just give some input from our
Speaker 4: fellow listeners who had a nice thing to say or
Speaker 4: a little recommendation. So our our first one is from
Speaker 4: our trustee Minnesota officer who says, I'm not Australian, but
Speaker 4: you did ask for Australian movies. This is a cheesy
Speaker 4: children's nineteen eighties movie filled with a great mystery adventure
Speaker 4: that still holds up. My kids loved it when they
Speaker 4: were younger. It is called The Quest. It came out
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty six, So if you're looking for something
Speaker 4: to watch, Trusty Minnesota Officer recommends The Quest. Send us
Speaker 4: more Australia cinema recommendations. Our last word today is from our.
Speaker 5: Oh that one.
Speaker 2: By the way, the subtitle over that movie is the
Speaker 2: Frog Dreaming or Frog Dreaming and it it goes back
Speaker 2: to our episode on the Dreaming that we did with
Speaker 2: Annie Reese I believe.
Speaker 4: Anny Race Yes, yeah yeah, in our time down on
Speaker 4: the We also have an upcoming listener mail segment on
Speaker 4: prophetic dreams, and we have an upcoming episode on weird
Speaker 4: dream experiences. So watch The Quest before then we will
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