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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me ed.

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Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer, Dylan the

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Speaker 4: Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.

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Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 4: And with great thanks to our pal, Dylan the Tennessee

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Speaker 4: pal Fagan, we like to start our weekly listener Mail

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Speaker 4: segment with a little bit of a sound cue Dylan,

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Speaker 4: what do we have rudebago wise?

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Speaker 5: Yes, oh my god.

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Speaker 6: It's always real on listener mail. We keep it real

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Speaker 6: on listener now.

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Speaker 2: I played that song for I don't even notice if

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Speaker 2: it was for marching band or orchestra or something in

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Speaker 2: high school, and I specifically remember playing that song over

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Speaker 2: and over and over.

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Speaker 6: I can see that being a rock and marching band arrangement.

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Speaker 6: Let's say opportunities for snare cadences.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's got some high dramatic stakes Lyrically, it's.

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Speaker 5: Like that.

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Speaker 4: It's cool from a writing perspective at school, because you know,

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Speaker 4: we all have probably heard that you're not supposed to

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Speaker 4: make a request and then end it with comma, no

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Speaker 4: worries if not, So it's a little more powerful to

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Speaker 4: say or let's forget about.

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Speaker 3: It, or else. I always read it as or else,

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Speaker 3: forget about it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I just remember this part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful, beautiful. Speaking of beautiful, we are

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Speaker 4: joined with several friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists from

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Speaker 4: across the globe. That's right, we forget sometimes, but we

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Speaker 4: aren't technically a global show. At this point, we're going

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Speaker 4: to talk a little bit about the amazing and quite

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Speaker 4: disturbing correspondence we received regarding our prior or authorizations conspiracy episode.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have letters from home. We're going to we're

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Speaker 4: going to dive into a story pertaining to one of

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Speaker 4: the weirdest comic strips of yesteryear?

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Speaker 3: Is it Family Circus?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Even more yesteryear? Yester year? Were I like the maps?

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Speaker 4: Did you like the maps? Sometimes they would publish a

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Speaker 4: Family Circus would publish just a one panel thing, which

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Speaker 4: was a traced map of the kid walking around.

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Speaker 3: No I don't think I saw that.

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Speaker 5: I think this is a radio play, by the way,

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Speaker 3: By the way, but it's called Billy's Travels.

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Speaker 6: It's a whole series in family circus where it's just

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Speaker 6: Billy have an adventure, is following a wiggly.

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Speaker 4: Line cartography fans unite and Matt to your point, I

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Speaker 4: believe the story we're talking about, yes, did begin as

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Speaker 4: a radio show, so we're gonna pay some deference to

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Speaker 4: our roots, but it's much more than that. We're also

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Speaker 4: going to talk about tariffs. Before we do any of that,

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Speaker 4: we're going to take a brief pause for word from

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Speaker 4: our sponsors, and we're going to hear from a returning guest.

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Speaker 6: And we're back with today's first piece of listener.

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Speaker 3: Mail from Reply Guy. I'm just joking.

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Speaker 6: It's Privacy Guy. Privacy Guy, Isn't that right, Ben? That's

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Speaker 6: what he goes by. You guys have corresponded quite a bit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the moniker we bestowed upon the Privacy Guy,

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Speaker 4: and we do you dig it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: He's very very very well versed on all things tech

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Speaker 6: when it comes to surveillance, state type stuff, encryption, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: And he had a really, really excellent response to our

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Speaker 6: discussion about the signal incidents, of course, where high level

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Speaker 6: members of the Trump administration were found to be using

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Speaker 6: a publicly available app for sending war correspondence or plans.

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Speaker 6: That was sort of eves dropped on by a journalist

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Speaker 6: using that term very loosely because he was of course

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Speaker 6: invited to the chat. Well, that story seems to have

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Speaker 6: Important to talk a little bit about the idea of

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Speaker 6: what Signal as an app actually is and a distinction

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Speaker 6: which purports to be a very similar app to Signal

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Speaker 6: our buddy privacy guy has a bit of a bone

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Speaker 6: here for it. Good morning, gentlemen. Just finished listening to

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Speaker 6: your strange news segment published March thirty first about the

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Speaker 6: signal incident, and I have a few things I need

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Speaker 3: And again this is.

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Speaker 6: Coming from someone who's very well versed in this world

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Speaker 6: So just keep that in mind when you're hearing some

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Speaker 6: but pretty sure it was me because I was talking

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Speaker 6: how it was my understanding that it was quote basically like.

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Speaker 3: Signal with the end to end encryption. Politely, he says.

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Speaker 6: No, I think could be further from the truth. Second,

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Speaker 6: biased to admit, I can despise Telegram, but I have

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Speaker 6: receipts to back up my grudge. First off, Telegram is

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Speaker 6: not to end encrypted by defaults and privacy guy, I

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Speaker 6: Telegrams CEO, a French gentleman, was arrested very publicly, and

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Speaker 6: inherently the fault of the proprietors of said you know

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Speaker 6: service that it is being used that way. If there

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Speaker 6: that can only be done on mobile devices. So most

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Speaker 6: is so trash that experts repeatedly warned against using it,

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Speaker 6: and these cites multiple sources for this claim. To their defense,

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Speaker 6: we haven't dug in deep. Last, but not least, however,

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Speaker 6: Telegram overtly lied.

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Speaker 6: For years, Telegram's website proudly stated to this day, we

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Speaker 6: have shared zero bites of user data with any third parties,

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Speaker 6: including governments, after they've actually shared data thousands of times now.

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Speaker 6: To be clear, I expect companies to comply with legal orders.

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Speaker 6: Signal has, Proton has Proton Mail, as I believe in

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Speaker 6: encrypted email service. Maybe they have other wings of that service,

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Speaker 6: I also expect companies not to fking lie about it

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Speaker 6: and then gaslight their users. Telegram's website has since been

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Speaker 6: updated to say today we have shared zero bytes of

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Speaker 6: regarding Signal and Proton complying It's also worth noting that

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Speaker 6: they never have anything of value to turn over because

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Speaker 6: of their privacy and security. But that's a very good

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Speaker 6: speaks to the misconception that you are pointing out here,

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Speaker 6: privacy guy, I wouldn't recommend Telegram to anyone for anything.

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Speaker 6: Between shoddy security and constantly lying to and gaslighting their users,

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Speaker 6: it's got more red flags than a Chinese flag factory.

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Speaker 3: That's funny.

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Speaker 6: Sources for all of these claims full disclosure, that's me

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Speaker 6: and my podcast, and yes, I'm being an insufferable. One

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Speaker 6: of the sources he cited is his own podcast where

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Speaker 6: he's apparently being an insufferable. But hey, self awareness is

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Speaker 6: the first step towards recovery. But only because these claims

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Speaker 6: would cite our sources. And then a question for Ben second,

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Speaker 6: against Signal Twice been made the assertion that Signal can

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Speaker 6: doors are very different, and I think that's exactly the point.

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Speaker 6: Ben and I agree, but this claim seems false. However,

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Speaker 6: Hopefully none of that came off too aggressive, at least

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Speaker 6: not against you. I'm already on record being hostile towards

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Speaker 3: But I hope that cleared up a few things. Last thing,

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Speaker 6: PS On your recent episode with Denise Chan, you guys

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Speaker 6: recommended one way to avoid scams is to go find

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a great.

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Speaker 6: Idea, Sadly these days, it has a couple caveats.

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Speaker 3: First, don't trust the AI summaries. We don't, I swear.

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Speaker 6: We covered a story recently about how scammers managed to

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Speaker 6: falsely assured him that the phone number was legit. Also,

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Speaker 6: listeners should definitely start using ad blockers as Another common

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Speaker 6: scam is to use malicious ads called malvertizing new one

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Speaker 6: on me to create fake websites, either for phishing log

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Speaker 6: Even the FBI now recommends ad blocking as a cybersecurity measure.

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Speaker 6: I personally encourage U block Origin. It's available on all browsers,

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Speaker 6: though Chrome has recently severely handicapped it. We were just

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Speaker 6: talking off air about how maybe it's time to check

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Speaker 3: That was you bet.

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Speaker 6: Yet another reason to stop using Chrome is open source

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Speaker 6: and blocks more than just ads, trackers and malicious domains

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Speaker 6: as well. Plus other well known ad blockers are known

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Speaker 6: to whitelist advertisers for payment. Alternately, you can switch to

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Speaker 6: Brave we talked about, which has a built in ad blocker,

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Speaker 3: Of course, a lot of good.

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Speaker 6: Information there, Privacy guy, I am getting rid of Telegram immediately,

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Speaker 4: Which we can't be kind of like social engineering.

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Speaker 6: think to your point, you can crack just about anything

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Speaker 3: Means that is absolutely away.

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Speaker 6: The point being that these types of conversations that we're

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, Can we talk about the other thing that

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to feel about it, because I

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Speaker 4: We were talking with Dylan, and I want to thank

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Speaker 4: you Dylan for recommending something. We'd love to hear your

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Speaker 3: No, I think we should.

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Speaker 6: Thanks again, privacy guy. We'll be back after a quick

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Speaker 6: worry from our sponsor with more messages from you.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned, and we're jumping to the phone lines

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Speaker 2: immediately to hear from someone you might recognize the.

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Speaker 3: Fog roll in object matter.

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Speaker 6: Who knows what evil in the hearts of men?

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, the Shadow knows well, you have seen that

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Speaker 4: same evil in his.

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Speaker 3: Own black her.

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Speaker 4: Nice nailing it, nailing.

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Speaker 5: Oh and that's all we get.

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Speaker 4: That's great, it's great. Takes me back to buying cassette

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Speaker 4: tapes at a cracker barrel to get those old radio place.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice. Well, I think that I think Viking

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Speaker 2: what you say. The catchphrase the opening line of ye

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Speaker 2: old nineteen thirties radio program, The Shadow that you can

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Speaker 2: read about at the Radio Hall of fame. By the way,

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Speaker 2: it was inducted in nineteen eighty nine. Very very cool.

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Speaker 2: I want to give you, guys another line that maybe

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Speaker 2: Viking you could call back in and give us this too.

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Speaker 2: The weed of crime bears bitter fruit. Crime does not

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Speaker 2: pay taste gross. Really, that's the only reason I want

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Speaker 5: I thought it was cool.

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Speaker 4: It's funny. There's a bit of synchronicity here, Matt, because

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Speaker 4: here's where it gets crazy and bring resurrect our old

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Speaker 4: conversation about choosing superpowers. Would love to hear everybody's favorite superpowers,

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Speaker 4: and the Shadow does have superpowers without getting too into

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Speaker 4: the lore. I love how he can what is it.

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Speaker 4: He can sort of aggressively hypnotize people. He can men's minds,

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Speaker 2: So people can't see him. He's there the whole time,

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Speaker 4: like a new adaptation of The Shadow. I know it's

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Speaker 4: that'd be kind of cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, dude.

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Speaker 2: So shout out to Frank Frank Readick, who was the

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Speaker 5: No way, Yes, pretty awesome radio.

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Speaker 2: The Radio history for your ears. There you go check

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Speaker 2: out the Radio Hall of Fame. It's awesome, by the way, Yes,

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Speaker 2: That is not what you're expecting, but I'm going to

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Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 7: I want you to know this is stuff I don't

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Speaker 7: for a wedding kept playing bubble Beat Tuna in a

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Speaker 8: Manner that made me think that you.

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Speaker 7: Also enjoyed as certain Jim Carrey movie from the nineties.

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Speaker 7: And I just I mean, I just the nods, wink, nudge,

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Speaker 9: From this time of the table.

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Speaker 7: That's where you're going. If not, you're just enjoying the names,

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Speaker 2: Back nonsense Poopy Pence.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, well.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and you must be the monopoly guy. It's

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Speaker 4: I got what hippo fotomous right like fo all right.

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Speaker 4: That's what I get from coming out the wrong end

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 3: How do you think a Ventura would have vibe with

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Speaker 2: I was thinking that, and I was afraid to sup

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Speaker 4: Nothing problematic about that situation.

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Speaker 2: He would say, bubble bee tuna, ace Ventura, pet detective,

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Speaker 5: That is verbatim.

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Speaker 6: You know this movie to a shocking degree. I'm just

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it was one of those films in

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Speaker 2: Now, well that's what funny is. It made me go, oh,

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Speaker 4: So I really liked him.

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Speaker 2: the guy says, uh, we don't have names here, we

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Speaker 4: I do also have some good news for you stuff.

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Speaker 4: They want you to sandwich here. In addition to all

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Speaker 4: the great life's life milestones you have met. Uh, dear

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Speaker 4: conspiracy realist friend and neighbor, ace Ventura three has been

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Speaker 4: just depends on, you know, how Jim Carrey's feeling.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know that it blends with the current

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Speaker 3: zeit geist. I think it's maybe.

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Speaker 4: Take a different direction, you know, ben the genre a

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Speaker 4: little bit won't make it? No, make it like a

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Speaker 4: true attack the thing.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Oh if it was like really gritty and.

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Speaker 4: Dark, Yeah, you know what I mean, don't recast pretty crazy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ace Ace is the same. We just have who

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Speaker 2: is the character from the first True Detective?

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Speaker 4: We love Rustle Also quick note to get in front

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Speaker 4: of the emails. Yes, folks, we realize there is a

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Speaker 4: Sventura Junior Pet Detective, which is sometimes called the third

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Speaker 4: ace Ventura, but as purest as people with respect for

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Speaker 4: the high art of cinema. We're we're holding out for

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Speaker 4: the Jim Carrey help, Yes, the.

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Speaker 6: Way to that point. Son of the Mask? Not really truly,

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Speaker 6: you've not heard of the Son of the Mask.

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Speaker 4: It's so bad, we don't not even in the comics.

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Speaker 5: Amazing.

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Speaker 2: Well, with all of this in mind, let's jump to

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Speaker 2: a rather more serious listener mail getting out of the

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Speaker 2: when nature calls vibes here. By the way, A Sventura

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Speaker 2: is the guy who was trying to attain enlightenment when

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Speaker 2: he gets that medallion from one of the monks. It

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Speaker 2: took him like eighty years to get the medallion, and

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Speaker 2: the monk is like, no, just just take the just

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Speaker 2: take it and get out here.

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Speaker 5: Please. Okay, let's go to Art Vandalay.

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Speaker 9: Hey, guys, you can call me Art Vandalay. I just

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Speaker 9: listened to the tariff episode as I'm commuting into my

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Speaker 9: supply chain job in the building products industry been around

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Speaker 9: since before twenty eighteen when Trump laid the first, you know,

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Speaker 9: heavy hand of tariffs on China, and you know, in our.

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Speaker 8: Particular space, not only did it increase the price to

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Speaker 8: import those goods, but also, the capability to produce some

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Speaker 8: of those goods did not exist outside of China, where

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Speaker 8: a lot of the innovation of exists. So several companies

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Speaker 8: started up factories, whether that was in Southeast Asia or

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Speaker 8: even here in the US. And it's very difficult to

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Speaker 8: manage when when the rhetoric changes, you know, day by.

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Speaker 10: Day, week by week. But I guess, I guess that's

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Speaker 10: job security, right. So one thing I thought I would

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Speaker 10: bring up is here, just yesterday, a factory in our

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Speaker 10: industry based here in the US, just outside of Atlanta,

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Speaker 10: got raided and suspected of human trafficking. So for all

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Speaker 10: the all the things that end up in the news,

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Speaker 10: a lot of folks don't believe it's gonna be gonna

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Speaker 10: be the ones here in the US.

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Speaker 9: So anyways, love the show, appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 5: There we go.

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Speaker 4: Wo okay, And that's referring to the March twenty fifth rate, maybe.

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Speaker 2: March twenty fifth, twenty sixth grade.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is well.

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Speaker 2: I shared just now in the chat a website for

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Speaker 2: well made floors dot com. And if you head on

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Speaker 2: over there, you'll find a website filled with well made, waterproof,

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Speaker 2: premium flooring and vinyl planks and all kinds of dry

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Speaker 2: back planks and bamboo planks, and it just looks like

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Speaker 2: a wonderful website with all kinds of great products that

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Speaker 2: you can put on the bare part of your floor

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Speaker 2: so now you can walk on it. And this is

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Speaker 2: the thing that Art Vandala is referring to this specific

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Speaker 2: company that has this website there, let's say factory, their offices,

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Speaker 2: whatever the place is. It looks like a giant warehouse,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, if you look at it from above

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Speaker 2: or you look at the actual place that got raided.

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Speaker 2: It got raided, yeah, on Wednesday, March twenty sixth, and

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Speaker 2: that was the FBI, Homeland Security, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation,

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Speaker 2: and Bartow County's Sheriff's office all went in because there

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Speaker 2: were allegations of human and potential sexual servitude that were

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Speaker 2: being instituted there by human beings that were trafficked from

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Speaker 2: other countries, and it was happening right around the corner

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Speaker 2: from US guys. Well, you know, we hear a lot

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Speaker 2: of things about Atlanta being bad in this area, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, international hub of trafficking and a national hub do

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Speaker 4: at least in part to having the world's busiest airport.

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Speaker 5: There you go, there you go exactly.

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Speaker 2: So let's let's read a little bit from Fox five Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: one of the local folks near us. They wrote on

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Speaker 2: March twenty six, twenty twenty five, the day that this

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Speaker 2: raid occurred, that this was part of a multi year

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Speaker 2: investigation into labor trafficking, and the company's owner, zoo Chen Zhuche,

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Speaker 2: and his nephew were both arrested and face charges of

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Speaker 2: trafficking persons for labor or sexual servitude. And yeah, there

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Speaker 2: are allegations that victims were brought in from other countries

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Speaker 2: and forced to live in inadequate conditions and work for

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Speaker 2: well made for little pay. There were hundreds of employees

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Speaker 2: at the company and dozens of them are potential victims.

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Speaker 2: There are stories coming out from people who are interviewed,

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Speaker 2: because in a situation like this, the FBI and Homeland

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Speaker 2: Security raid a factory like that or a distribution center,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, they raid it. Then

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Speaker 2: they separate everybody and they interview everybody separately, and some

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Speaker 2: of those interviews have been leaked. Let's say to the press,

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Speaker 2: one of those like, we aren't going to say who

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Speaker 2: this person is, but here is their quote. They have

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Speaker 2: talked about small living spaces where twelve human beings were

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Speaker 2: supposed to live in a townhouse situation, and then being

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Speaker 2: taken by van to this distribution center slash factory to

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Speaker 2: work for like twelve hour days sometimes longer, then shipped

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Speaker 2: back and the next group of twelve people that is

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Speaker 2: now in the house, they just witch between the housing

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Speaker 2: and the factory and that's like their life essentially for

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Speaker 2: almost no pay. Just a really messed up situation. You

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Speaker 2: can read an official US Immigration and Customs Enforcement little

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Speaker 2: thing that they put out on April fourth about this,

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Speaker 2: like a pr statement. Essentially, they're saying this operation targeted

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Speaker 2: allegations of labor trafficking involving foreign nationals, as well as

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Speaker 2: financial crimes linked to the employer's business practices. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: sorry to bring us down there, guys, after all the funness,

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Speaker 2: but just to point out that there this kind of

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Speaker 2: thing that we have on this show talked about, you know,

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Speaker 2: in a lot of other places in other parts of

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Speaker 2: the world. It does happen here in the US. It

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Speaker 2: happens in whatever country you are in right now. It

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Speaker 2: is just a thing we need to tackle and deal with.

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Speaker 2: And it is not something that can just get stamped out.

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Speaker 2: This is a multi year investigation that had to go

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Speaker 2: into you know, potentially freeing some people from some form

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Speaker 2: of servitude.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this unfortunately can be politicized or can be

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Speaker 4: used as rationale or increasing erosions of rights and rule

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Speaker 4: of law. But to that point just made it is

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Speaker 4: mission critical to realize that human trafficking is a thing,

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Speaker 4: and it's not always the thing you might see in

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Speaker 4: films like Take It. It can be much more regional.

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Speaker 4: It is occurring in all fifty US states to m

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Speaker 4: degree or another.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and we've been talking about ICE and all

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Speaker 2: the terrible crap they've been getting up to lately, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, horrifying stuff. But it's also an organization that

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Speaker 2: can go through and do this and actually do some

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Speaker 2: good even though ICE isn't. They are the ones actually

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Speaker 2: doing the investigation. That's the local Atlanta FBI office, the

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Speaker 2: Georgia Bureau of Investigation in the Bonto sheriffs as well

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Speaker 2: as Home Insecurity or HSI. But still thinking about things

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Speaker 2: as more complicate. Things are always more complicated than whatever

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Speaker 2: story or news is given you, right, And that's one

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Speaker 2: of the things we always talk about on this show.

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Speaker 2: So even something like ice can function for good in

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Speaker 2: the way USDA is often vilified. Right, it can function

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Speaker 2: for good. It just depends on who's running it, what

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Speaker 2: the rules are, well, mostly who's running it, right, like

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Speaker 2: who is making the rules and enforcing the rules that

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Speaker 2: are internally enforced in my opinion at least, so.

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Speaker 4: Say we all, I would imagine, and I love the

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Speaker 4: point because you're right, we continually return to it. The

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Speaker 4: hard truth about reality is it takes more than five

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Speaker 4: minutes or three to five minutes on afternoon news to

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Speaker 4: explain a situation. All those stories you hear, think of

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Speaker 4: them like opening a door for you or knocking on

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Speaker 4: a door for you and saying this a lot. And

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say, you know what, I don't

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Speaker 4: care if I sound like a broken record. It's extremely

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Speaker 4: dangerous to paint with a broad brush with most things.

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Speaker 4: So thank you so much for bringing this story to

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Speaker 4: bear our Vandalay and Matt. I think we're going to

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Speaker 4: see more of these situations, you know, and it's going

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Speaker 4: to be increasingly politicized, at least over the near term

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, And with that, we'll take a

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Speaker 4: And we have returned. This is guys, here's the way

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking of this. We treat this last part of

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Speaker 4: our weekly segment as more of a story sharing thing,

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Speaker 4: because you'll recall we did an episode quite recently on

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Speaker 4: a third party insurance industry entity called evi Core, or

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Speaker 4: as its many critics call it, evil Core. Do we

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Speaker 4: remember that episode?

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Speaker 3: How can we forget evil Core?

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Speaker 4: It really leads an impression, it sure does, Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: I'd agree with that. We I think we all walked

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Speaker 4: away somewhat righteously indignant, if not a bit depressed by

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Speaker 4: the by the state of the situation. And it turns

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Speaker 4: out a lot of us in the audience felt the

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Speaker 4: same way. So we're going to share just a couple

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Speaker 4: of stories from our fellow listeners, some of whom experienced

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Speaker 4: the hazards of prior authorization, some of whom worked in

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Speaker 4: the industry in one way or another and also witnessed

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Speaker 4: this Leviathan in action. So first, let's go to somebody

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Speaker 4: going with a fantastic name. Are you ready? We're not ready.

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Speaker 4: It's paint Chip Nachos paints a.

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Speaker 3: Picture GISs some really mommy, So Paychef.

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Speaker 4: Nacho says, hello there, thanks for all you do. I'm

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Speaker 4: writing today to give you a little story about my

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Speaker 4: experience with prior authorizations through insurance. I have EDS, which

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Speaker 4: is a rare soft tissue disorder which causes pain and fatigue,

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Speaker 4: among other things on a daily basis, meaning this is

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Speaker 4: a chronic condition. Editorializing here, Paychef Nachos continues and says,

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Speaker 4: I'm on SSDI for my disabilities, as I have many

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Speaker 4: comorbidities associated with all of this. My doctors put in

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Speaker 4: referrals left and right to multiple other doctors. Some of

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Speaker 4: these referrals get denied with the excuse that quote the

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Speaker 4: patient must discuss a proper medical plan with their doctor

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Speaker 4: before approval end quote. So some of my doctors wrote

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Speaker 4: in appeals for me as well as myself, explaining that

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Speaker 4: my doctor has already wrote out a plan and that's

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Speaker 4: why I need the referral. A bit of a catch

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Speaker 4: twenty two for paint Chip Nachos. One of my denials

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Speaker 4: was for trigger points injections in my muscles to ease

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Speaker 4: my pain and headaches, which they wrote in as medically necessary.

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Speaker 4: My insurance came back with a denial, saying they needed

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Speaker 4: a peer review, which went my doctor, who's already super busy,

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Speaker 4: has to call my insurance and talk to someone there

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Speaker 4: in their medical department. When my doctor called, and she

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Speaker 4: did call twice, no one from my insurance answered the phone,

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Speaker 4: and they sent a denial due to my doctor not

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Speaker 4: properly calling for that peer review. I finally got a

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Speaker 4: series of three procedures approved, even though I need a

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Speaker 4: series of six for my pain to dissipate from a

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Speaker 4: six to probably a two to three on the Pain

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Speaker 4: scale and paint Chip Nachos, check out our earlier work

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Speaker 4: on the Sackler family to figure out just how fraud

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Speaker 4: the idea of the pain scale is. Nachos, You continue,

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Speaker 4: I always wonder why I even pay for insurance if

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Speaker 4: I'll be not denied necessary procedures. I have so many

659
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Speaker 4: doctors that insurance is necessary. But man, oh man, I've

660
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Speaker 4: also changed insurance companies. However, this new insurance company doesn't

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Speaker 4: need any prior authorizations. It'll possibly deny any procedures after

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Speaker 4: I get them if my doctors don't specifically note that

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Speaker 4: my procedures are medically necessary. So this leaves me in

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Speaker 4: the dark until my bill comes in and then this

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Speaker 4: goes on a little bit. But the thesis statement here

666
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Speaker 4: from paint Chip Nachos is that prior authorizations mean nothing

667
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Speaker 4: and insurance just wants to keep you sick no matter

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Speaker 4: what the cost, and then followed up with some very

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Speaker 4: very kind words. Theare we say teen winded words? That's

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Speaker 4: for you, paint Chip Nachos. I wanted to pause here

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Speaker 4: before you go the next one. Guys, does this experience

672
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Speaker 4: seem like something that might be common to a lot

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Speaker 4: of our listeners or perhaps to you in your personal lives.

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Speaker 2: I've never experienced it for but I can definitely imagine

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Speaker 2: just by you know, other news stories that will come

676
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Speaker 2: out where this very thing is described.

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Speaker 3: Same.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, not something that I run across.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad to here's something you guys have not

680
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Speaker 4: personally experienced, and hopefully that remains true in the future.

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Speaker 4: We'll go to our next one. Papa Ly Papaly, you say,

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Speaker 4: greetings and salutations. I just finished listening to your episode

683
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Speaker 4: on the prior authorizations conspiracy. As a mental healthcare provider,

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Speaker 4: I'm very much tied to insurance companies. I have also

685
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Speaker 4: been doing this long enough to remember when the providers

686
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Speaker 4: just sent the bill to the insurance company and they

687
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Speaker 4: paid it dun dun, dung, and the patient only had

688
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Speaker 4: to deal with the kope. I also remember when they

689
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Speaker 4: tried to cap sessions and tried to make us verify

690
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Speaker 4: every session. There's a bit of malicious compliance with that one.

691
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Speaker 4: If you want to hear about it, we do, please

692
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Speaker 4: write to us. And this is where papaly gives us

693
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Speaker 4: a pretty cool question. Are there any nonprofit insurance companies?

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Speaker 4: If so, how do they operate in the current landscape?

695
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Speaker 4: And that's a question for the group because if you

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Speaker 4: folks in the US, if you take your Internet browser

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Speaker 4: choice and you look for just nonprofit insurance companies, what

698
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Speaker 4: you're going to find are a lot of traditional for

699
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Speaker 4: profit insurance companies who have special programs for nonprofit companies.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's already a little bit money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never actually looked for nonprofit insurance.

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Speaker 4: It seems somewhat paradox account.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, especially in our TIS. I mean, it

704
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Speaker 6: seems like it would be cool if that's whatever, it'd

705
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Speaker 6: be great, like, Yeah, how does that even function.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what is that?

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Speaker 4: How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Who benefits?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? They're like, have you guys seen the

710
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Speaker 3: new season of Black Mirror, by the way, Yes, yeah,

711
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Speaker 3: that's the whole thing. I haven't seen the whole.

712
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Speaker 6: Thing, but I've seen the first three and the first episode,

713
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Speaker 6: which is quite dark.

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Speaker 3: It's called common People.

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Speaker 6: It really is about the healthcare system. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I've seen actually a podcast I listened to called The

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Speaker 6: Weekly Planet with these lovely Australian fellows. They didn't get

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Speaker 6: why that episode hits so close to home for so

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Speaker 6: many people. Rather let me rephrase that, they did exercise

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Speaker 6: empathy and look at why it might hit close And

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Speaker 6: the reason is in Australia they don't have the same

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Speaker 6: kind of show of a medical you know system that

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Speaker 6: we have. So the issues that are demonstrated that are

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Speaker 6: shown in this episode Common People about just you know,

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Speaker 6: crippling medical debt, the idea of subscription models more or

726
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Speaker 6: less for your.

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Speaker 4: Own healthcare, native dystopian.

728
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Speaker 6: Native advertising, all of that thing, but specifically that subscription

729
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 6: model to just keep yourself or your loved ones alive

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Speaker 6: is something that is very real and feels very close

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Speaker 6: to home here as American citizens. What you're talking about

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Speaker 6: here us not being able to wrap our heads around

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Speaker 6: the idea of insurance that is intended to benefit individuals

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Speaker 6: rather than for you know, massive profits exclusively. It's something

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Speaker 6: that we have a hard time wrapping our head around

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Speaker 6: here as well.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the Yeah, that's why I love your

738
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Speaker 4: questions so much, Populy. It's one of the biggest differences,

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Speaker 4: or one of the biggest unique aspects of the United

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Speaker 4: States amid all the developed countries existing in the world.

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Speaker 4: And it's it's a dangerous thing. It's a shame that

742
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Speaker 4: it's been so tribalized and politicized and gosh commodified, modified,

743
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Speaker 4: all the other words that are bad that end in ied.

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Speaker 4: We'll do one more. We'll do one more. We'll go

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Speaker 4: to farm a nurse. Farmer nurse says, you can call

746
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Speaker 4: me farmer nurse. I just listened to your Evil Core episode.

747
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Speaker 4: That's how farmer Nurse spells it, and felt compelled to

748
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Speaker 4: add to the story. The insurance company and evil cores

749
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Speaker 4: of this country have far too much say in the

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Speaker 4: healthcare we received. Here's my real life example. I work

751
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: for or a pharmaceutical company that has the only FDA

752
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 4: approved treatment for rare disease. This treatment doesn't just make

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Speaker 4: the patient marginally better, this is a life saving treatment

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Speaker 4: that allows them to lead a completely normal life. Needless

755
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,479
Speaker 4: to say, this is a very expensive drug. To your point, nol,

756
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: that's another thing that sounds crazy outside of the US,

757
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Speaker 4: but makes sense in this current milieu. Farmer Nurse continues.

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Speaker 4: Frequently the insurance company evil Core will tell the doctor

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Speaker 4: that they cannot use our FDA approved drug, but instead

760
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 4: must first try another treatment that is not even FDA

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00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: approved for this particular diagnosis. So now, says Farmer Nurse,

762
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 4: these companies are not only saying that doctor is wrong

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Speaker 4: for prescribing this medication, but they are also saying the

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Speaker 4: FDA doesn't know what they're talking about. Needless to say,

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Speaker 4: this topic makes me very hot under the collar. Our

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00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 4: healthcare system needs a major overhaul. We spend more per

767
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Speaker 4: patient than any other country, but our health outcomes are

768
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Speaker 4: the same or worse than all other countries. Evil Core

769
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 4: may be trying to lower our healthcare spending, but they

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Speaker 4: are not doing anything to improve the patient's health.

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Speaker 3: Here here preach huzzah, no, not hazza. Whatever the opposite

772
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Speaker 3: of his eyes.

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Speaker 4: Uh nuzzah, Yeah, sure love it.

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Speaker 3: This is not cool. Sorry, guys, it's.

775
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: Very much not cool, and that's because it's very much true.

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Speaker 4: These are just a few of the letters we've received

777
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Speaker 4: regarding our prior authorization episode. Please check it out if

778
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 4: your afternoon is going too well and you need some

779
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 4: bad news. What hits me about this, guys and fellow

780
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist, all of us playing along at home, is

781
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: that everybody seems to be roughly on the same page.

782
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 4: Everybody who is not a shareholder or a board member

783
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: is saying, yes, the system is broken. The disagreements are

784
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: only on what the solutions could be.

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00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 5: Hey, I got some solutions for you.

786
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: All right, let's hear the top three.

787
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 5: No, I can't say I'm out loud.

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00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: Oh ye, good bye? All right?

789
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 4: What if we each do one? I'll do one. Having

790
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: big boy, grown up healthcare system.

791
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: That's a good one. How about that's a good one.

792
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: How about a kicking the nuts?

793
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: Okay, kicking the nuts that's number two good?

794
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: How about Sovereign Wealth fund?

795
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Speaker 5: Right?

796
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: I love a little s w F.

797
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: Right.

798
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 6: I pose a question to myself, who exactly is deserving

799
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Speaker 6: of said kicking the nuts kind of hard to pin down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was picturing it like a like a metaphorical

801
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 4: or metal level preise capital and nuts. You could even

802
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: do it. We could do like an acronym right National

803
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 4: United tough speech. No, no, no, no, no, there's a

804
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 4: better one there. I'm just freestyling.

805
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Speaker 5: Adam Smith.

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Speaker 4: What that that would be like? Nads?

807
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Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm just sorry. Im thinking about who to

808
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 5: kick in the nuts?

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Speaker 3: They are?

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Speaker 4: Okay? First off, in defense of Adam Smith, by the way,

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Speaker 4: he uses the phrase invisible hand very rarely in his work.

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Speaker 3: Question ran with that.

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Speaker 6: Question, y'all, what if there were a vigilante out there

814
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 6: instead of killing healthcare CEOs.

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Speaker 3: Just kicking them in the nuts?

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Speaker 4: I like it.

817
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: I like it, or nut man, that's really good. But

818
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 5: what if instead they're going through and waking up the

819
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 5: CEOs of all the healthier corporations and you know, quietly

820
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Speaker 5: influencing them to let them finally understand how horrifying all

821
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Speaker 5: of this is.

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Speaker 4: I like that. I like, let's add to the superpowered

823
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 4: dossier because I think wouldn't it also be more psychologically

824
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: troubling if, instead of just sometimes people get kicked in

825
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 4: the nuts, but other times he's just doing the thing

826
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Speaker 4: where he sneaks into the house and then he wakes

827
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Speaker 4: the person up and he gently touches their balls, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean, or just just shows himself outside

829
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Speaker 2: the window so he doesn't have to actually break in,

830
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Speaker 2: but the person inside knows. I like tack the nuts

831
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Speaker 2: right outside my window.

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Speaker 4: I like the personal horror. You know, that's such violation.

833
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: You wake up and someone ooh no, yeah, I mean

834
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Speaker 4: that's breaking several laws.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's very very it is very much.

836
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very much. We're going to end with a

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Speaker 4: quick palate cleansers, some letters from home. This is our

838
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: this is our part where you know, we try not

839
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: to end on too much terrible news, so we just

840
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: give some We we just give some input from our

841
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 4: fellow listeners who had a nice thing to say or

842
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 4: a little recommendation. So our our first one is from

843
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 4: our trustee Minnesota officer who says, I'm not Australian, but

844
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 4: you did ask for Australian movies. This is a cheesy

845
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: children's nineteen eighties movie filled with a great mystery adventure

846
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 4: that still holds up. My kids loved it when they

847
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: were younger. It is called The Quest. It came out

848
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty six, So if you're looking for something

849
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 4: to watch, Trusty Minnesota Officer recommends The Quest. Send us

850
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: more Australia cinema recommendations. Our last word today is from our.

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Speaker 5: Oh that one.

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00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: By the way, the subtitle over that movie is the

853
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: Frog Dreaming or Frog Dreaming and it it goes back

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Speaker 2: to our episode on the Dreaming that we did with

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Speaker 2: Annie Reese I believe.

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Speaker 4: Anny Race Yes, yeah yeah, in our time down on

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Speaker 4: the We also have an upcoming listener mail segment on

858
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 4: prophetic dreams, and we have an upcoming episode on weird

859
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: dream experiences. So watch The Quest before then we will

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Speaker 4: two last thing things. Shout out to Links, a conspiracy

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00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 4: realist who wrote to us and asked for help with

862
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 4: a school assignment. Thank you so much, Links. We love

863
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff and feel free to send send

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Speaker 4: your school assignment request to us as well. We are

865
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: not going to chat GPT your homework, but we always

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00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 4: are happy to provide input, and we hope you want

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Speaker 4: to provide input too. So we're going to call it

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Speaker 4: a night. We're gonna go noctivigate. We're going to work

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Speaker 4: on this fantastic vigilante idea and in the meantime we

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00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 4: want to hear from you. Find us online, call us

871
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: on the phone, send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: It's right.

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Speaker 6: You can find us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff, where

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00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group Here's where

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Speaker 6: it gets crazy. On x FKA, Twitter, and on YouTube

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Speaker 6: where we have video content galore for your enjoyment.

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Speaker 4: some of your favorite film quotes. Pitch us weird ideas

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Speaker 4: for vigilantes. You can reach us twenty four hours in evening,

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Speaker 4: be well aware yet una freed. Sometimes the void, writes back.

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Speaker 5: Ben, we need for the healthcare system is the shadow?

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