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Speaker 1: Whoa a great time watch steep Tasper, Such time time time.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a Thursday edition of One Bill's Live Steep Tasker.

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Speaker 1: Maddi glab here from noon till three. Great to have

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Speaker 1: you guys with us. I hope you can stick with

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Speaker 1: us for the full three hours. Well, we're not going anywhere, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: How is your night? Everything going good? I know you

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Speaker 1: had a project going on this morning, another Captain circle

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Speaker 1: that you guys are shooting. It's gonna be fun to see.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today? Everything's going good? Uh? Had

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Speaker 1: a rec league softball game last night. We won twenty

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Speaker 1: three to two, and I'm pretty sure I strained a

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Speaker 1: quad muscle running the first base during my first at bat.

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Speaker 1: Uh wait wait wait wait wait whoa whoa? What never

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Speaker 1: happened to me? I feel like I'm older right now? Wait? Whoa? Whoa? Wait?

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Speaker 1: Whoa a red? Was this like a beer league softball thing?

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Speaker 1: Or I know you're you're a competitive softball player. You

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Speaker 1: is it it's it's co ed? Yeah? So what's we're

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Speaker 1: two and o? What's your team's potters field? Is our

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Speaker 1: team Potter's field? Yes, very nice. So and how did

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Speaker 1: you do? Did you go, you know, one for one?

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Speaker 1: Did you get did you have to come out after

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Speaker 1: your quad strain or what? So my first game I

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Speaker 1: which it totally wasn't. But after I strained my quad

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Speaker 1: running a lot slower, so I went I think I

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Speaker 1: went two for four or one for four. Last night, injured,

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Speaker 1: you went two for four, one four. You were three

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Speaker 1: for three in your free Is this slow pitch fast pitch?

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Speaker 1: This is slow pitch, slow pitch? Okay? And is there

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Speaker 1: roll double, which sucked because everything would go straight into

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Speaker 1: So doing good nurse nurse in this leg. But this morning,

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Speaker 1: if you guys have been watching the Captain's Circles that

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Speaker 1: we've been putting out, there's gonna be one this Sunday

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Speaker 1: with an all star cast. We just taped. Our last

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Speaker 1: one had some great people on it. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to reveal the names yet, but it was really real.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm going to do the read. I'm gonna you

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Speaker 1: to read later. You want me to do it, I

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Speaker 1: can do it right now. It's just the one with

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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, Kyle Williams for this Sunday. Oh yeah, for

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Speaker 1: the Sunday after that. Oh I see, all right, So

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Speaker 1: this Sunday's got Jim Kelly, Kyle Williams, Mike Peck and

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Speaker 1: Mike Fellino. This is for the one the next week.

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Speaker 1: This is that's a secret till next week one or

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Speaker 1: we just finished recording that this morning. It was a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. It's always cool to get Bills players

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Speaker 1: And hear them talk about their time in Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: All right, so now you've got the pool quad. You're

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Speaker 1: beer league softball games also overnight. Not Mattie glab not

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Speaker 1: the only one that worked in a contract. The Vikings

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Speaker 1: last night signed Mike Zimmer, their head coach, to a

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Speaker 1: three years into a five year deal and we're asking you,

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Speaker 1: but Bills fans, when do you think they should extend McDermott.

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Speaker 1: you think the Bills should extend Sean McDermot. You'd be hard,

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Speaker 1: and I get it, you'd have some snark answers you

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Speaker 1: Give him the extension. When you want to do it.

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Speaker 1: He's got two years left on this deal. When should

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Speaker 1: you extend Sean McDermott, And fifty five percent of you

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Speaker 1: us Maddie, what do you think, Um, some you know

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Speaker 1: what are you? What are your thoughts about Sean McDermot.

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Speaker 1: UH long term extensions, which is what Sean McDermott should get.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, he should totally be extended. I think he

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Speaker 1: great things to say about Sean McDermott. He is totally deserving.

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Speaker 1: But I would do it mid season. What about us? Well?

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that from Florida, your ownership group

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Speaker 1: I don't know him that well. I mean he's busy,

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Speaker 1: And he's the kind of person not only you wanted

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Speaker 1: The relationship building that they do with the players, the

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Speaker 1: replaced by the players number in gold on the side

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Speaker 1: of the Washington redskin on the Washington football team helmet,

428
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Speaker 1: and that's gonna be the way it's gonna be. This

429
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: season is gonna debut on opening day Week one against

430
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. The Washington Football Team will be just that,

431
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Speaker 1: the Washington Football Team and nothing else. All the old

432
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Speaker 1: logo and digital footprint is going to go away. They've

433
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Speaker 1: got fifty days to do it, and they're gonna make

434
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Speaker 1: sure it happens on all their platforms, and it's going

435
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Speaker 1: to be the Washington Football team going forward for the

436
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Speaker 1: near future. I'm good with that, and I think it's

437
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: high time they did it, and it'll be interesting to

438
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Speaker 1: watch those guys play under that name for the time

439
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: being until they finalize the new logo and the new nickname.

440
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: Probably got some financial compensations. I know there's a gentleman.

441
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: We spoke about this when it came out. There's a

442
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Speaker 1: guy who trademarked all those nicknames that the Washington Football

443
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: team might choose. He's gonna want to paycheck to give it.

444
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And in the midst of us seeing that

445
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: Washington is going to be calling themselves the Washington Football

446
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Speaker 1: Team for the foreseeable future, the NHL's newest expansion team.

447
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: They're the Seattle crack In. They just released their low

448
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: go their jerseys, and let me tell you, it's pretty sick.

449
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: And the way that they did it was very interesting.

450
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: They put on their Twitter a VII and on their

451
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: Twitter background before they released what their name would be.

452
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: It was just a body of water. And then they

453
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: had this like live Twitter show where they released it.

454
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: I wish I could tune in, but we were rerecord

455
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Speaker 1: or pre recording our interview for it later today. Uh

456
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Speaker 1: so I didn't get to tune into the live show.

457
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Speaker 1: But the Seattle crack In. Yeah, their logo on one

458
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Speaker 1: of their jerseys. They've got a couple of logos. They

459
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Speaker 1: got an alternate logo as well. There it's an S,

460
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Speaker 1: but it's shaped like a kind of it's an S.

461
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Speaker 1: It's not anything but an S. But then it also

462
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: has this serpent kind of thing with an with a

463
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: big red eye. So it's just a plane S, but

464
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: you can see it since a serpent coming out of

465
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Speaker 1: the water. Very cool. And then their alternate logo is

466
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Speaker 1: an is a an anchor a c anchor from a ship,

467
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Speaker 1: you know, like the like like a little pointed arrow

468
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Speaker 1: with barbs on. It looks kind of, you know, vicious looking.

469
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. You gotta be happy about the kracking

470
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Speaker 1: spelled with a K k R a K e n

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Speaker 1: Seattle Kracking the mythic seed monster for the Seattle NHL team.

472
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Speaker 1: Congratulations to them and welcome Kracking to the world of

473
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Speaker 1: pro sports. Let the snark begin. I guess I don't know.

474
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: It's well, you know, they can just cracking over and

475
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: over again. Release the cracking. Anybody remembers that Kraken is.

476
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: I believe it's a type of dark rum and they

477
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 1: used to have TV commercials and it was like an

478
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: octopus and a pirate ship and they would say, release

479
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: the krack in. So that's what I thought about. Yeah, right,

480
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: it's good stuff, though it's it's a that was released.

481
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: The Kracking were released on the same day that the

482
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Speaker 1: Washington football team gave a virtual look at their new uniforms.

483
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins in a number seven with a number seven

484
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Speaker 1: on the side of the helmet. That's the only logo

485
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Speaker 1: that the Washington football team will have going forward for

486
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Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, and they'll they're gonna be seeking the

487
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: feedback of players, alumni, fans, sponsors, the community for the

488
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: new team name and it will use some point in

489
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Speaker 1: the future it will come out at to be permanent.

490
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Speaker 1: So that's going on as well, so the Kraken and

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Speaker 1: the Washington Football team brand new today. Steve Tasker, Maddi

492
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Speaker 1: Glab Here, One Bills Live. We're here till three o'clock.

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Speaker 1: At two o'clock, we've got Chris Brown coming on to

494
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: talk about his camp countdown for the twenty twenty training camp.

495
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna come on, and also at one o'clock, Tom Pella,

496
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Speaker 1: Sero of NFL Network coming on. Steve Tasker Maddi glab

497
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Speaker 1: On One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health Fund, Buffalo

498
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Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Welcome back to One of Bills Clives. Steve Tasker,

499
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: Maddie Glab here with you till three o'clock. We've been

500
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: talking about the negotiations that are going on with the

501
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Speaker 1: NFL and NFLPA. Think about this. The current state of

502
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: the collective Bargaining agreement makes it impossible, because of this

503
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 1: pandemic for the players to go out on strike legally

504
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: and for the NFL to lock them out legally. So

505
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: this season is legally speaking, the season's got to roll

506
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: on unless they all agree that it doesn't. There's no

507
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: what they call, as we were talking about, the forced majure,

508
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: which means it's in contracts that frees both parties from

509
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: liability or obligation when an extraordinary or event or circumstance

510
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: beyond the control of the parties prevents one or both

511
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: parties from fulfilling their obligations under the contract. A pandemic

512
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: certainly does all that. But there's nothing in the CBA

513
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: about that. So they got to go on contractually speaking,

514
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: or unless they agree not to now going forward, even

515
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: if they don't get this four billion dollar loss agreed

516
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: to for us bands out here, it don't matter. It

517
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: don't matter, Maddie, It doesn't matter. They don't matter. They

518
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: gotta go if there's nothing preventing that from going. The

519
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: CBA stands as it is, and whatever it says is

520
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: laid out. Sorry, Bruce Leeves, That's how it is, as

521
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: way it goes. Let's go, you know, Can I just

522
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: say that Steve House to cheeseburgers in the break he

523
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: pulled a Joey chestnut and down two regular sized cheeseburgers

524
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: in like two minutes. It was very impressive. It's actually

525
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: four minutes, but basically two, you know. And it's a

526
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Speaker 1: piece with this written into the current CBA that there

527
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: can't be a strike or a lockout. How do you

528
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: think this will affect players if an agreement hasn't been

529
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: reached by week one? Do you think this will affect

530
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: their moods, their mindset, their attitudes if things are not

531
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: going their way but yet they're gonna still have to

532
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: be playing. What impact could this have? Now? I think

533
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: here's what it depends on what it's gonna look like.

534
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: So if they're saying, Okay, you're going to play and

535
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: the season's gonna be going on, you're gonna get your money,

536
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: the contract and everything's kind of normal this year because

537
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: they can play sixteen games next year. Next year is

538
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: when it starts to get dicey, because you'll have guys

539
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: that are middle of the road players or journeyman or

540
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: they're still in a contract that had really good seasons

541
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,479
Speaker 1: and who are just getting paid. They're not overpaid, they

542
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: earned their contract. They're players that a lot of teams

543
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: would like to have. Value players. Even if they're superstars

544
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: who had a really good year, they're gonna get kicked

545
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: to the curb because they can't afford to pay them

546
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: with a salary cap that went down by sixty million,

547
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: dollars or fifty million dollars or reduced by whatever amount

548
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Speaker 1: you want to say. There's gonna be guys that are

549
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: on the street. Now what's it gonna look like going forward?

550
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: For those guys, You're gonna have a ton of really

551
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Speaker 1: really good football players out of work who really didn't

552
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't have deserved to be out of work. That's what

553
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: That's what makes a lot of NFL players afraid. And

554
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: the only ramification for the clubs is they're gonna have

555
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: to look at their roster and say, man, I love

556
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: this guy, but we gotta let him go. I love

557
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: that guy, We're gonna have to let him go. You know,

558
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to, you know that kind of thing.

559
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: And also another thing too. Think about this, for Josh Allen,

560
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmonds, they may not see an extension until the

561
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: cop cap starts to bounce back the next year. After

562
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: next year, they might be signing deals like a Mahomes

563
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: deal where the club wins for two or three years

564
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: more and then the money kicks in. Certainly there are

565
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: ways for the club to structure contracts like that, but

566
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: the players have to be patient weight on their money.

567
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Speaker 1: I think that going to be a really interesting aspect

568
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, and as a fan, to think that

569
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: this could affect some current Bills players contracts for the

570
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Speaker 1: years to come, whether that be younger guys like Josh

571
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: and Tremaine who have to wait, or whether that be

572
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: older guys that the Bills have to part ways with

573
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: because of the way their contract is. That would that

574
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: would suck, I mean, that would be awful. This is

575
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: a team that I think a lot of people look

576
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: at and they want to keep it intact and together

577
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: for as long as possible as they continue to have

578
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: successor if they keep having success and a part ways

579
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: with some vets possibly that are very like important integral

580
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: pieces to this team who have helped get this team

581
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Speaker 1: to where it is currently right now, that's tough. Let's

582
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: say this though, Maddie. This is the club that over

583
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: the past three years have had this philosophy of getting

584
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: guys on these one year proven deals. They've had guys

585
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: come in and be integral parts of the team, but

586
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: only for a year or for two years. They've signed

587
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: guys too short term deals like Jordan Phillips. Perfect example, EJ.

588
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: Gaines three years ago when he was a part of

589
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: the club that that did so well and got to

590
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and then it was gone. Other players liked

591
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: those guys who have come in and contributed and then

592
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: moved on. Think about a marketplace that is full of

593
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: players like that. On the open market. Certainly you have

594
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to some good players, but they could

595
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: You could, given what happens this year to this team

596
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of guys or a handful of guys

597
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: like Quentin Spain, who said, you know what, I like

598
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: what Buffalo did for me. They gave me a chance

599
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: in a career where up to that point I wasn't

600
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: getting much of a chance with the Raiders or whoever

601
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Speaker 1: else I was with. I'm gonna stay here. I'm gonna

602
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: tell my agent, like you, take the best deal you

603
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: can get from Buffalo. I don't don't go out on

604
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: the street, don't do it. Just take the best deal

605
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: I can get here in Buffalo. This is my home.

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Speaker 1: I want to stay here. You might get a bunch

607
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: of guys who like that. If indeed this team goes

608
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs, goes deep into the playoffs, and it's

609
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: a kind of atmosphere that makes these guys thrive. You

610
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: might get guys who will do that, but certainly there will.

611
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: The word has gotten around also, as you can tell

612
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: with guys who have left here, from Jordan Phillips to

613
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: other players who have left and gone to other places.

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Speaker 1: Like Man, I really enjoyed it in Buffalo. It was

615
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: a great atmosphere, a great work environment, a great team atmosphere.

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Speaker 1: I love those guys, and like an EJ. Gaines, I'm

617
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: gonna go back. I don't have a problem, you know,

618
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Speaker 1: with that, because I trust Brandon Bean and Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: to bring from a better crop of free agents than

620
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Speaker 1: ever before in the last since there, since the dawn

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Speaker 1: of free agency, there's never been a year like it

622
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: would be this coming year twenty twenty one in the

623
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Speaker 1: off season, when every team has to cut forty percent

624
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Speaker 1: of their top fifty three guys just to get under

625
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: the cap. That's big, and I don't think the club

626
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: it'd be hard to say goodbye to some guy. But

627
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: don't forget, there's a ton of really good guys all

628
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: around the league. Buffalo doesn't corner the market on great guys.

629
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: There's a ton of them out there, and you got

630
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: to know that that's what the first place that Buffalo

631
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: would sift through is getting the right kind of guys

632
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: with DNA and replacing the guys that had to cut,

633
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: and some of those guys would come back anyway, so

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00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: it would be a big reset financially, no question about it.

635
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: And then most of them would be on short term

636
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: deals because when the cap starts to go back up,

637
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: there you go, you know that that's where it would be.

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Speaker 1: It would go way back up. So I think, you know, yes,

639
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Speaker 1: it would be a band aid that you'd have to

640
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: rip off for a year, but it wouldn't be long

641
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: until it'd be fully recovered and the players would get

642
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: their money back. Yeah. What do you think these contracts

643
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: would start to look like if the if the cap

644
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Speaker 1: does drop significantly over the next two years, specifically talking

645
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: about those veteran players, are we going to see a

646
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: lot more one year deals that are more incentive based,

647
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: like we've seen with Cam Newton, where you're getting up

648
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: front not a lot, but you can acquire more if

649
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: you meet these things. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Any way that

650
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: they can hide money and give to them and they

651
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: can get players to agree to it, they'll do it.

652
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: If the players says, listen, if you come in here

653
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: and we'll give you this much, this much, and this

654
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: much if you play a certain percentage of snaps, or

655
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: if you make the roster, or if you are on

656
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: the squad eight weeks into the season or three weeks

657
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: into the season. Any incentives that they can place in

658
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: that contract that do not go against the salary cap

659
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: on a one year deal, give it to them. Now,

660
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pay them on the back end,

661
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: and may it may take you over the what would

662
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: have been the salary cap. But if if the money's

663
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: there to be made and the and the revenues bounce

664
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: back in a big way the next year, the money

665
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: should be there to pay these guys. But you got

666
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: to keep track of it. I mean, obviously you got

667
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: accounts for it. But yeah, you can build these contracts

668
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: so that players can be confident going in that they're

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00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: going to get a chance to earn those incentives, and

670
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: they may get a chance to sign some really good

671
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: players on proved deals that are incentive. Leyden, no question,

672
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: one of those players is on improved deal right now,

673
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: is Tyler Croft. They restructured him in the off season

674
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: to having to prove it this year Instead of having

675
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: two more years left. So we'll see how he does

676
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: in this season for the Buffalo Bills. Somebody who's certainly

677
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: uh should have a comeback year, right right. Cam Newton

678
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: landed at Logan Airport last night in New England. He's ecstatic,

679
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: he says, he's ecstatic to be playing with his team

680
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: this season. You get a highly motivated guy like Cam Newton,

681
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: think about that, there could be guys like you could

682
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: have ten guys like that after a season like that,

683
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, and that's and that's basically you think about it.

684
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: That's been a big, I think asset to the Buffalo

685
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: Bills under Sean mcdurritt Brandon b Not only have they

686
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: brought in good players players, they brought him in on

687
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: deals and structured deals and situations where those guys are

688
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: highly motivated for one reason or the other. Either they

689
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: felt they were disrespected by an old team or they

690
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: felt like they got it. They're playing for another swing

691
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: at the pie at the end of this season. They

692
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: want to play well this season because they could really

693
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: hit a home run on another contract next year, like

694
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, did you know that kind of deal? So

695
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: that's to me I don't. I think you could see

696
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: the owners dragging their feet. If they can withstand this

697
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: loss this seat for one year, the money that they

698
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: would grow next year, the salary cap would grow a

699
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: little bit, but it wouldn't grow as I don't think

700
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: it's it's structured to grow exponentially with the income if

701
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: it does grow, so they could, you know, pocket that

702
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: difference right off the top and it goes right back

703
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: into their bottom line. There's a lot of there's a

704
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: lot of financial hoops that have to be jumped here,

705
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure, and you know, I'm I think

706
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: some of this is right, but you know how that works.

707
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: The owners are going to be ahead of the curve

708
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: when the when the salary cap does come back, So

709
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: there they benefit from having the cap come back slower

710
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: than the revenues come back. Any difference in in that

711
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: rise and that growth goes into the owner's pocket. So

712
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: that I can see why they would They may want

713
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: to drag their feet business wise, it may not make

714
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: a difference or may not make that big a make

715
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: that much sense, but it seems to me that on

716
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: the way back it's in the owner's favor. Yeah, And

717
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: another another point to make is while short term or

718
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: one year deals for less money isn't what a player

719
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: may want. They want long term deals, they want a

720
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: lot of money. But I think it also benefits them

721
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: in the sense that we've seen a lot of Bills

722
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: players be on these short term one year deals, prove

723
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: it deals where then they have had their best seasons

724
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: yet and then they go and earn that long term deal.

725
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: So by giving someone less or by giving someone just

726
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: one year, they immediately get a chip on their shoulder

727
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: to prove it to play their best. And we've seen

728
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: time and time again it happened with the Bills, and

729
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: then they go on and make that money. Like, think

730
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: about this and I'll be interested to see this next year.

731
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Jordan Fells, he was good here in Buffalo. We had

732
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: nothing to complain about. He was a good locker room guy.

733
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: He was a good media guy. He was a great player.

734
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: He was an energetic player. He was a vocal player

735
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: on the field. He seemed on game days he brought

736
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: it every week. The fans loved it. He seemed to

737
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: be really motivated and gave you everything you wanted him

738
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: to give you as a player. And the Bills put

739
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: him on that you know, two year deal, and sure

740
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: enough he signs and gets a big contract with Arizona.

741
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see how he plays with Arizona.

742
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: It could be that the Bills got his very best

743
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: year ever of his career and got it at the

744
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: right time when they needed it, and he helped him

745
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: to the playoffs. That's the kind of thing and GM

746
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: and a head coach don't get enough credit for when

747
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: that does happen because you rarely see it. You know,

748
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: transform exactly like transpire exactly like that. But we could

749
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: very well see that if Jordan Phillips goes out and

750
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: has three sacks with Arizona and two tackles for loss

751
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: and has a career in Arizona a little bit like

752
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: he had in Miami, where he was getting less and

753
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: less snaps, his snap count, his playing time was being reduced.

754
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: You know, if he has that kind of stretch in Arizona,

755
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: it'll be you know, you'll we tend to focus on

756
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips in that scenario, but you really focus on

757
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: is Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean getting the most out

758
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: of that player in the best way. That's That's what

759
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: that's what you look for in your GM, and it'll

760
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: be really interesting this year to see how that transpires

761
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: in Arizona. You're interesting, you know what I mean? That

762
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: makes sense. And someone who's coming into the Bills who

763
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: it'll be really interesting to see how this transpires is

764
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: Josh Norman. Right, that's exactly. Yeah, we could. Oh, oh,

765
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: we got plenty. We're gonna take a break and come

766
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: back and talk about Josh Norman. Well, yeah, Josh Norman coming.

767
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: We gotta we're gonna debate that Josh Norman move when

768
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: we come back. Steve Tasker, Mattie Glab at one o'clock. Uh,

769
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: we've got Tom Polisaro of NFL dot Com coming on

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00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health and Buffalo Bill's

771
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: Radio talking back to One Bill's Lives, Steam Tasker Maddie

772
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: Glab here till three o'clock. At one o'clock, Tom Polisaro's

773
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: coming on NFL dot Com Reporter. It's been covering a

774
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: lot about the NFL NFLPA negotiations and talk to him

775
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: about a wide ranging variety of subjects. We recorded it

776
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: just before we came on the air this morning, and

777
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: he had a lot to say about a lot of topics.

778
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: We're we're gonna let you listen to that interview at

779
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: the top of the hour, Mattie, just before we went

780
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: to the break, you mentioned Josh Norman and about him

781
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: beating one of those guys that the Bills have no

782
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: obviously signed to a one year approved deal, like give

783
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: him a chance to have a good swing at the pie.

784
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: They got signed him to a one year deal with

785
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: two million in incentives, and he took the deal. He

786
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: had a lot of success with Sean McDermott in Carolina

787
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: about four years ago, became the top cornerback in the

788
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: league at that point, and signed the big deal with Washington.

789
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: It didn't go well the last couple of years in Washington.

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00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: A lot of reasons for that. Here's my point about

791
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Josh Norman. You know, Bill's fans get caught up and said, Gosh,

792
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's got left in the tank,

793
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: and I don't know, and yeah, listen, I don't care

794
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: if the guy's got two good years left in him.

795
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: I don't care if he's got one and a half

796
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: years left in him. All we need Josh Norman four

797
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: is sixteen regular season games and a playoff run. Just

798
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: that's all we want. If we can get if we

799
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: can get a guy opposite Tredavious White who's the top

800
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: one or two corner in the league, and get Josh

801
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: Norman to regain just get into top ten coin. If

802
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: he gets into top ten corners of the league, this

803
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: defense becomes unbelievably good, I mean amazingly good, I mean

804
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: like epic good. And if they can do that, we don't.

805
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't care what he's like next year. Who can't

806
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I want him this year. We'll listen. Last year they refurbished,

807
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: they brought Kevin Johnson in a one year deal. Hey,

808
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: they had Levi Wallace held him off. Okay, there's gonna

809
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: be good players out there. They're not gonna get left

810
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: with the cupboards. Bear. We've got enough quality depth in

811
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: this league. And when the development of guys like Dane

812
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: Jackson and all these all the dbs they've got, they're

813
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: gonna be don't don't worry about twenty twenty one. We've

814
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: got a shot this year, and we've done it for

815
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: the right price. We've got the right people. So all

816
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: we need Josh Norman to do is just get you know,

817
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: three quarters or eighty percent, eighty five percent as good

818
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: as he was four years ago with John Sean McDermott

819
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: or two years ago with Washington. Just give us that

820
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: for sixteen regular season games, and if we can get

821
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, give us that run. That's all we

822
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: need from that guy. And if and that's it, that

823
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: that's the whole kitten caboodle, right that that is the

824
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: final little toddle that goes into you know, the final

825
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: little puzzle piece that goes into that side of the football.

826
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Speaker 1: And this offense, Yeah, it's gotta, it's gotta. It's got

827
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: a margin of error that's huge with that defense, Josh

828
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: Allen doesn't have to do it from day one. They

829
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: can develop guys they as if they were as good

830
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: as they were last year without getting better this offense,

831
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: they're still gonna be better than last year with with

832
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable to think about the potential that that one

833
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: spot on that defense can give to this defense, this defense,

834
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: and it's just I get really excited about it. And

835
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: I know EJ. Gains is back. EJ. Gaines was a

836
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: fence maker two years ago. Both those guys are long

837
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: in the tooth, no question. But if you throw both

838
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: of them into the mix, I don't care if they

839
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: split reps, if they played a high level you know,

840
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: let the old guys take a breathe or every other series, fine,

841
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: you bring back Josh Norman, or you bring Josh Norman

842
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: into a system that he's familiar with. This is someone

843
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: who feels like he was misused with the Redskins. Brandon

844
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: Bean has talked about that, how they played him in

845
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: a way that they didn't get the best out of him.

846
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: He is partnering back up with Sean McDermott, who he

847
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: understands the defense. He became a star in that defense.

848
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: He's going back to that defense. And oh, by the way,

849
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: he's on a one year prove it deal. You know

850
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. He's gonna go out there and

851
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: do exactly that He's going to prove it. This is

852
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: a motivated player we are talking about. This is a

853
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: veteran who be a voice in the locker room. I've

854
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: gotten to meet him once already, and just speaking to him,

855
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: he is going to be a great addition from a

856
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: leader standpoint on that team, from a veteran leader standpoint,

857
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: and yeah, if if he can hold it down on

858
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: that other side of the field, I mean, shoot, whoever

859
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: it is, they are going to get a lot of

860
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: attention because just like we saw last season, nobody wanted

861
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: to throw the ball near Trenavious White because he picked

862
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: it off six times, and by the end of the season,

863
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were done trying to throw it over there, even

864
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: if it was against wide receiver once because we saw

865
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: how well Trey White did against some of the best

866
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the league. So whoever that corner is

867
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: going to be, whether it's going to be Josh Norman,

868
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace, e J Gaines, if they all split time,

869
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna get a lot of attention over there. Yeah.

870
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: And Josh Norman said he felt he was misused in Washington.

871
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: He's not the only one saying that. A lot of

872
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: people who watch now it's interesting to me. And here's

873
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: what I said. A lot of people when they're evaluating

874
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: them move the buffalo made and getting Josh Norman. Of course,

875
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 1: they said, ads reunites him with Sean McDermott. It brings

876
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: him into a system that made him famous and got

877
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: him the big contract and all that stuff. But They

878
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: also said it gets him out of Washington because he

879
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: was being misused and he was miscast in Washington in

880
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: the sense system that they were using. The interesting thing

881
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: to me is I think back on was I didn't

882
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: hear anybody say now. Certainly Washington fans did because they

883
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: didn't like the guy, because he wasn't performing well, because

884
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: it was being misused. But not too many people outside

885
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Washington said he was used up. Maybe there was some

886
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 1: people who're saying, hey, the guys used up. He hasn't

887
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have any more. A lot of them were saying, now,

888
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: he's just being misused. It wasn't that he didn't have

889
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: anything any gas left in the tank. It was that

890
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: he was in a system that didn't use his skill

891
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: set the way it was. And you think about it,

892
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: he's thirty two, and you think too EJ. Gaines coming

893
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: back EJA Games was thought, wow, he's kind of old.

894
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: Now he's twenty eight. EJ. Gaines has still got some

895
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: gas in his tank. If he can recapture what they

896
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: asked him to do in Buffalo two years ago, that

897
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: would be an upgrade from what they've gotten. There's a

898
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: lot of reason to think that they're gonna be really good. Uh,

899
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson, I'd love to see what he's gonna look like,

900
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: the rookie out of pit the draft pick, seventh round

901
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: draft pick out of Pittsburgh. Yeah, that'll be all these

902
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: guys going at it. The competition there should really benefit

903
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: the defense, and I think particularly in the in the

904
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: fact that you've got EJ. Gaines, Josh Norman, You've got

905
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace, Tredavious White. All of those guys have serious

906
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: experience in the system, and that continuity and that ability

907
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: to to to draw on that knowledge is really gonna

908
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: let them come in and play at a high level.

909
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: So'm I just got a huge amount of hope and

910
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: optimism about what the defense is going to be this year.

911
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: If EJ. Gaines, I think EJ. Gaines's biggest thing is

912
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: he needs to stay healthy. And you know what else

913
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: he helped with when he was healthy, He played nickel too.

914
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: That's great versatility to have on a defense. Dean Marlowe

915
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: played that big nickel role last season. It would be

916
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: nice to see someone else rotate in and out with

917
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: him because Leslie Fraser has said multiple times they were

918
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: in nickel more than sixty percent or more than fifty

919
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Last season, about sixty percent of

920
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: the time they were in nickel. This is a defense

921
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: that's going to continue to play heavy nickel, right, and

922
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: not for nothing too, But think about this and during

923
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: the pandemic, I mean kind of forget about this as

924
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: we talk about this so much, But versatility is going

925
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: to be critical because you don't you may have a

926
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: guy playing out a position just because of the numbers

927
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: on your roster that week, or have been devastated by

928
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: the virus. You need a guy that can play nickel.

929
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: We can't. You're not playing outside this week. We need

930
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: you at nickel. Well, we can put him at nickel,

931
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: we can put him outside. What we're gonna do if

932
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: Tredavious Whites out of the lineup because of the virus.

933
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: So you gotta have guys who know the system and

934
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: have played in it. So versatility is going to be

935
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: absolutely critical in a year like this, At least it

936
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: looks like on the surface, um, there's a lot. There's

937
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: a lot to that as well. So we're gonna stick

938
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: keep talking about that. Coming up at the top of

939
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: the break. Just after the break, we're gonna come bring

940
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: Tom Pellicero and he's coming up. NFL dot Com reporter

941
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Maddi Lab here till three o'clock. One Bills

942
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: Live presented by Kalida Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. Oh

943
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: Tickle by Steve Tasker, Susnimes do Text Time. Welcome back

944
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: to One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker along with Maddie Glab.

945
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: Earlier today, just before we came on the air, Maddie

946
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: and I had a chance to talk with NFL Network

947
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: and NFL dot Com reporter. He's a contributor to Serious

948
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: XMNFL video and he's the former Vikings and Packers beat reporter,

949
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: Tom Pellasaro. We had a chance to talk with him

950
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: about a wide ranging variety of topics, and here's our

951
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: interview with Tom Pellasaro. Take a listen. Tom. First and foremost,

952
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: we've got to ask you the first question, how are

953
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: you and your family handling the pandemic? Are you all

954
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: safe and well? We are, Steve, I appreciate it. It's

955
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: wild to think this has been the four and a

956
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: half months that I've been sitting here in my basement.

957
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: Luckily basement works for NFL Network. A nice studio down

958
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: here and we will still probably be here for the

959
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. Well, we're still talking about the National Football

960
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: he let's start at the top. We'll start with the

961
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: Jets and Woody Johnson and what's going on with him,

962
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: and also ask you about Washington, DC and the problems

963
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: and the controversies that have surrounded that frenchise. Let's start

964
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: with Woody Johnson. Is this just another case of an

965
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: old guy being a little bit out of touch with

966
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: what's going on around him or is it something deeper

967
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: than that in the Jets organization. To this point, the

968
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Jets organization, the NFL have said very little. I was

969
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: in touch yesterday with the Department of State. They issued

970
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: a statement in support of Woody Johnson. Certainly, you have

971
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: allegations here. They're very serious when you're talking about racist

972
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: and sexist remarks on top of the allegations about helping

973
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: the President of the United States abuse his office for

974
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: political game. There's a lot to unpack here. It's a

975
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: unique situation too, because if you remember, when Woody Johnson

976
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: took the ambassadorship to the UK, his brother Christopher Johnson

977
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: took over as the day to day owner of the team.

978
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: That does not mean that Woody Johnson is not still

979
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: financially invested in the New York Jets, but it puts

980
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: the NFL in a little bit different position than had

981
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: these allegations been things that have been raised within the organization.

982
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: I certainly would expect that if there is further investigation,

983
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: whether that is the whistleblower complaint at the Department of

984
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: State or whether you have other things that come to light,

985
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: the NFL would consider those facts in terms of determining what,

986
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: if any discipline might be appropriate at a league level. Yeah,

987
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: with the Woody Johnson story, and we saw the Washington

988
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: Post story last week about Washington, what have you heard

989
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: from the NFL with how they are going to start

990
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: carrying out, how they process this, how they assign if

991
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: they're going to put any put any blame down on

992
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: these teams, What is it going to look like? What

993
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: have you heard? What do you think the best way

994
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: is to handle these situations now that we're seeing things

995
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: like this arise within the NFL. Well with the Washington franchise,

996
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: you certainly again have very serious allegations from I believe

997
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: it was fifteen women of different things within the workplace

998
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: environment and sexual discrimination inappropriate comments. These are all things

999
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: that the NFL set in the statement goes against its values.

1000
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: As of now, the franchise has retained an attorney to

1001
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: do an investigation. I know that there's been debate over

1002
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: why the NFL did not hire its own instigator to

1003
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: look into the situation. I think it's also important to

1004
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: note that Dan Snyder, the owner, nor his key deputies,

1005
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: in terms of what was Bruce Allen previously, Eric Schaeffer,

1006
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: other people who are no longer with the organization, we're

1007
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: not implicated by the allegations, which again are very serious.

1008
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: The NFL has said publicly that it will look into these,

1009
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: that it will look into the findings by the attorney,

1010
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: consider those, and potentially take action in the future. This

1011
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: is also remember in the same summer where the NFL

1012
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: has announced a variety of different initiatives to try to

1013
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: promote diversity and hiring not just of people of color

1014
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: but also of women. Different rules in terms of make

1015
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: sure to interview women for high level positions. And of course,

1016
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: now that's another stage of this that Washington is dealing with,

1017
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: because they've made multiple hires this week of white people

1018
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: to high ranking positions, and the friz paular deliance has

1019
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: now raised concerns about whether or not they followed these

1020
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: new protocols that the NFL has laid out. I mean,

1021
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: this is an offseason where we have talked about issues

1022
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: that I don't think we have talked about probably enough

1023
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: in the past with NFL clubs. Certainly, diversity and hiring

1024
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: is something that has been at the forefront for many years,

1025
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: whether it's through the Rooney Rule, which continues to be expanded,

1026
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: whether it is different types of incentives for developing minority coaches,

1027
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: which is something the NFL continues to work through giving

1028
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: more opportunities. These are all important conversations, and it's almost

1029
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: as if it took the world stopping on a lot

1030
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: of fronts to bring the focus to some of these

1031
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: very serious issues that I'm sure we're gonna be talking

1032
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: about with the NFL and on NFL Network for a

1033
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: long time to come. Tom Pellicero, NFL Network and NFL

1034
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: dot Com reporter and contributed to Serious XMNFL Radio is

1035
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: joining us here on One Bill's Live. Tom the Washington

1036
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: Redskins and now the New York Jets. Woody Johnson came

1037
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: out and categorically denied the allegations, and of course the

1038
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: Redskins are in full damage control mode. They've made key

1039
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: firings and they have made a new hire as well.

1040
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: Certainly there seems to be at least a positive reaction,

1041
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: but fundamentally it still seems to be an issue. How

1042
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: many other you know, organizations, you know, are gonna be

1043
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: changed because of this? What could change at the top

1044
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: levels of the National Football League. We've already seen in

1045
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: Carolina Jerry Richardson was forced to sell his franchise, but

1046
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: we've seen other owners not have any repercussions. Robert Kraft

1047
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: in the past, h the the Cleveland Browns in the

1048
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: past and the legal issues that their ownership had and

1049
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: what you know, what, how does the league handle thirty

1050
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: two billionaires and the indiscretions that accompany them or have

1051
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: accompanied them over the last handful of years. What are

1052
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: their options? Well's good question, Steve, and I think that

1053
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: it's important to point out each situation has has been

1054
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different, and so the NFL has approached

1055
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: each situation differently. With the Jerry Richardson one, there were

1056
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: very serious consequences in terms of him, you know, putting

1057
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: the team up for sale and being out. I mean,

1058
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: he helped bring football to Charlotte. There was a statue

1059
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: of him in front of that stadium that has since

1060
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: been removed amidst protests in Charlotte and public safety concerns

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Speaker 1: that we're surrounding that the NFL has instituted things teams

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Speaker 1: are now going through, for instance, anti racism training, They're

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Speaker 1: going through anti unconscious bias training. These are all things

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Speaker 1: that are taking place through the course of the off

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Speaker 1: season here, and that, of course is on top of

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Speaker 1: everything else. Remember this is also a unique offseason in

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Speaker 1: terms of COVID nineteen, trying to play football in a pandemic,

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Speaker 1: and so you've got all these educational materials. It's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is a drinking from a fire hose type of

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Speaker 1: the situation for NFL franchises in that you've probably never

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Speaker 1: had so many significant issues that require education, that require

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Speaker 1: monitor that in certain cases require potential discipline, and they

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Speaker 1: are all hitting teams at once amidst the most challenging

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Speaker 1: series of circumstances that the league has ever seen to

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Speaker 1: actually put players on the field and play football games.

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Speaker 1: This fall. Tom As, a sports reporter this offseason. We've

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Speaker 1: all covered so much more than sports during this pandemic

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Speaker 1: because sports have not been going on, and you've been

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Speaker 1: at the forefront with a lot of these COVID protocols

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Speaker 1: that are coming out from the league and how teams

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Speaker 1: are going to follow that, or whether it's what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing with the Jets and with Washington. I mean, as

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Speaker 1: you step back and look at the stories that you've

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Speaker 1: covered the last few months, what's been the biggest takeaway,

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Speaker 1: what's been the most interesting part about all of this

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Speaker 1: Being an NFL network reporter not necessarily always talking about sports, Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, for me personally, we were

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Speaker 1: covering the collective Bargaining agreement so closely, going back to

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Speaker 1: last spring and summer when the negotiations were ramping up

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Speaker 1: on that that was right fied by the players about

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Speaker 1: the second week of March, which was the exact same

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Speaker 1: time that COVID nineteen was ramping up that the NBA shutdown,

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00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: that it became abundantly clear that even as the NFL

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Speaker 1: moved forward with free agency and the draft, that things

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Speaker 1: were going to be drastically different. And then, of course

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Speaker 1: you have the death of George Floyd right here. I'm

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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. The entire sequence of events that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people saw unfold on CNN were all taking place

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Speaker 1: within a two mile radius of my old house in

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Speaker 1: a South Minneapolis that's right by where the police precinct

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Speaker 1: was burned to the ground. It's where there were mass

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Speaker 1: protests for weeks. It was less than two miles away

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Speaker 1: from where George Floyd died with a police officers knee

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Speaker 1: on his neck, and it brought up a lot of

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Speaker 1: very deep feelings in the city of Minneapolis, where there

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Speaker 1: were there have been protests in the past, and there

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Speaker 1: have been there's been a lot bubbling under the surface,

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Speaker 1: going back to the deaths of Jamar Clark and Philando

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Speaker 1: cast Stile. I did not and perhaps this was naivete

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Speaker 1: on my part, but I did not think at the

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Speaker 1: time as grotesque and as much as that was the

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Speaker 1: most visceral video that we have seen, along with the

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Speaker 1: mod r very one, which I think that a lot

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Speaker 1: of people saw that as well, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: those two came in pretty quick succession, I did not

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Speaker 1: even think that it was going to become the nationwide

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Speaker 1: movement that is still going on now and clearly this

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Speaker 1: was something that resonated on a very visceral level, particularly

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Speaker 1: in a divisive political climate in an election year, and

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Speaker 1: with again a lot of feelings that you know, go

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Speaker 1: back to the Ferguson Missouri and other things that bubble

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Speaker 1: to the surface seen in recent years. So to the

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Speaker 1: extent that NFL players then were also affected by this.

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Speaker 1: The league is roughly seventy percent black, so you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who have different experiences from me

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Speaker 1: from where I grew up, probably from where you guys

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Speaker 1: grew up in your experiences, and it's led to some

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Speaker 1: conversations that I'm sure it took place in locker rooms.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Steve's been there. It's it's the ultimate melting pot.

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Speaker 1: It's from every different race, religion, socioeconomic background, and then

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Speaker 1: you all come together and you try to be one team.

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Speaker 1: But it seems as if the conversations that that has

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Speaker 1: led to, and where for me covering it has been different,

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Speaker 1: has been its conversations on a different type of a

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Speaker 1: level about some of the different factors that go into this,

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Speaker 1: not merely matters of police brutality and systemic racism, but

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Speaker 1: the socioeconomic differences, the investments in schools, the decades and

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Speaker 1: centuries really of de facto segregation within major cities, which

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Speaker 1: is certainly true in Minneapolis. These are all things I

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Speaker 1: think that we've never surely talked about an NFL network before,

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Speaker 1: We've never talked about I don't think with other people

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Speaker 1: at the same level. I know that NFL network. We've

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Speaker 1: had different zoom calls, We've had different conversations beyond what

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Speaker 1: you round tables that we've had on TV. I think

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Speaker 1: that all of that has been very different. And again

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Speaker 1: coming after two months of every more every waking moment

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Speaker 1: we were talking about nineteen and now we're still having

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Speaker 1: the conversations about Black Lives Matter and you know, systemic racism.

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Speaker 1: At the same time that we're trying to again figure

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Speaker 1: out okay, that's very very important. We also had to

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Speaker 1: fire out how to get a product on the field.

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Speaker 1: And so players, I know from speaking to people who've

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Speaker 1: been on these all player calls, which are drawing hundreds

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Speaker 1: of players twice a week, their questions are about safety.

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: Their questions are about, you know, what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: with my family? Is it safe for me to be

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Speaker 1: out there. We're taking all these you know, we have

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Speaker 1: all these protocols, we're doing all these different things. Is

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Speaker 1: it even safe for me to be on the field,

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Speaker 1: Should we be doing this, Why should we do this?

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Speaker 1: And what are the rules and the rules whether it

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Speaker 1: is the camp schedule, whether it is opt out language,

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Speaker 1: whether it's contractual the operational things about guaranteed money and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: Those are still conversations that are taking place right now,

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Speaker 1: days after rookies began reporting to buildings all across the league.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Tom Pella Sero NFL Network and NFL

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Speaker 1: dot Com Report are also a contributor to Serious XM

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Speaker 1: NFL Radio. He's also a former Vikings and Packers beat reporter. Tom,

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Speaker 1: You've been around locker rooms before, as as have I,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, and I thought, I have said it

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Speaker 1: on the air and a multiple multiple times that it

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Speaker 1: is a real example of what can happen when strong

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Speaker 1: white guys and strong black guys have real conversations about

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Speaker 1: where they're at. And I thought, I think that sometimes

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Speaker 1: the NFL and professional sports in general is at the

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Speaker 1: cutting edge of race or reconciliation, because you really do

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Speaker 1: have guys that love each other across racial lines. If

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Speaker 1: let me just ask your opinion. And you've watched the

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Speaker 1: NFL enough and it's pro sports, how do you think

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Speaker 1: the National Football League could lead in a more significant

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Speaker 1: way in the issues of gender and race equality and

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Speaker 1: social justice in a way that maybe it's missing the

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Speaker 1: point right now. How could they get out in front

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Speaker 1: of this and be an example rather than a reactor. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really great question, Steven. That's something

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Speaker 1: that every team is going to be grappling with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know that the NFL has made monetary donations to

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Speaker 1: social justice causes. We know that various teams, the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars, have either organized or participated in different demonstrations

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Speaker 1: and protests as a group. I think that it'll be

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Speaker 1: fascinating to see how this compares to four years ago

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Speaker 1: when Colin Kaepernick kneeled, or even three years ago when

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Speaker 1: you had comments by the President of the United States

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Speaker 1: about telling these sons of bitches to stand. And it

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Speaker 1: was a rally that took place a couple of days

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Speaker 1: before Week three of the NFL season. I was in

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Speaker 1: Buffalo that day. The Bills had some guys standing, some

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Speaker 1: guys feeling, some guys were you know, doing kalistenics during

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Speaker 1: the national anthem. All across the league. Everybody did it differently,

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Speaker 1: and there were some teams, for instance, the Steelers, who

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Speaker 1: if you remember, they made they were trying to figure

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Speaker 1: it out. They decided, you know what, we can't agree

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Speaker 1: whether to kneel, whether to stand, We're all going to

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Speaker 1: stand in the locker room. Then all the handra Villa Nueva,

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Speaker 1: who had been a military service member and felt that

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Speaker 1: he actually had to stand for the anthem, came out

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Speaker 1: of the locker room, and so that appeared to be divisive.

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Speaker 1: I think that everybody's in agreement that you want to

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Speaker 1: translate the protests into progress. You want to focus not

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Speaker 1: just on how are you going to show that we're

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Speaker 1: fed up, but also show how are we going to

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Speaker 1: make that better? So it'll be interesting to see. Now

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Speaker 1: you have different teams that have social justice working groups.

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Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings for instance, again right here where George

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Speaker 1: Floyd died, their social justice group has expanded. They now

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Speaker 1: have coaches as a part of it. They have I

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Speaker 1: think it's about ten to twelve players who are a

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Speaker 1: part of it. They're saying up scholarship funds, they're doing

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Speaker 1: different things in the community. Those are ways that you

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Speaker 1: can push it forward, because I think that NFL players

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Speaker 1: are looked to, rightly or wrongly, to be leaders in

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Speaker 1: a lot of different spaces. And if players can say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a white you know, wide receiver, but

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Speaker 1: I know that the black wide receivers have different experiences.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to support them. That can set an example

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Speaker 1: that certainly is important here. I mean, the NFL is

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Speaker 1: very conscious of its leadership roll overall, and the same

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Speaker 1: thing on COVID nineteen. Honestly, the one thing that they

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Speaker 1: have stressed to teams is we feel like if we

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Speaker 1: can show how to do things safely, that is going

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Speaker 1: to send the message to people within society that we

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Speaker 1: can do things safely. And it's the same thing on

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Speaker 1: the social justice front. If we can set an example

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Speaker 1: of how you can come together, even if you may

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Speaker 1: not be of the same political persuasion or have the

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Speaker 1: same background, we can come together, then that can set

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Speaker 1: an example for other segments of society. Perhaps on past

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Speaker 1: the fall. This season is going to look so different

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Speaker 1: in so many ways from COVID to the Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter movement and how we see that pregame, endgame. But

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Speaker 1: amidst all of this, deals are being done. Extensions are

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Speaker 1: happening right now as teams are getting ready for training camp.

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Speaker 1: You broke that Zimmer news yesterday. What went into Minnesota

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Speaker 1: getting the extension done before the season started. Well, Mike

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Speaker 1: Zimer had one year left on his contract. It's relatively

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Speaker 1: rare for coaches to go into a contract here and

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Speaker 1: the ownership Ziggy Mark and Lenny Will really believe in

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Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer the program that he has built. They've been

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs three times in his six seasons. They

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Speaker 1: went down to New Orleans last year, hold an upset

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Speaker 1: over the Saints, then just kind of ran out of

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Speaker 1: gas six days later against the eventual NFC champs out

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Speaker 1: there in San Francisco. With Mike Zimmer, he's sixty four

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Speaker 1: years old. He's one of the older coaches in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But he told me last summer he sees no reason

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Speaker 1: he can't coach till until age seventy. Vikings are a

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Speaker 1: team that's in a little bit of transition right now

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Speaker 1: in terms of you look at all the key defensive players,

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Speaker 1: the leaders that are not back Linvaal, Joseph Xavier Rhodes,

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Speaker 1: Trey Wayne's, Everson Griffin by all accounts, is not going

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Speaker 1: to be back there. These are key players and some

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Speaker 1: of your veteran leaders, and so they roll into a

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01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: season now where they resigned Kirk Cousins, but they're still

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01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: built around defense and the running game. To have that security,

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Speaker 1: to not have constant questions that Mike Zimmer, God love him,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't want to hear every single Wednesday about

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Speaker 1: his contractor or what the future is going to be.

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Speaker 1: He wants to be very micro focused exactly on the

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Speaker 1: task ahead. This takes a little bit of the pressure off,

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Speaker 1: take some of the questions away. The Mike Zimmer is

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Speaker 1: the coach of this football team as they head into

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Speaker 1: what certainly is going to be challenging training camp and

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Speaker 1: season as well for everybody in the NFL. We're talking

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Speaker 1: with Tom Pella, Sero. Tom. One other thing that has

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Speaker 1: reared his head on Twitter two days ago, Antonio Brown

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Speaker 1: retired and said he was done with the NFL. Now

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Speaker 1: he's petitioning to come back in. Has anything changed with

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and his desire either for attention or for

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Speaker 1: a contract, or to play or not to play. It

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Speaker 1: really seemed like he's a mess, and he continues to

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Speaker 1: vacillate towards retiring and being done with the NFL and

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Speaker 1: coming back and playing. We've heard teams that have worked

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Speaker 1: him out and are interested in having him come and

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Speaker 1: play for them. What about the legal issues that surround

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Speaker 1: his career. Is the NFL just better off washing their

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Speaker 1: hands of Ventonio Brown. Antonio Brown is a really, really

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Speaker 1: talented football player, arguably the best wide receiver of the

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Speaker 1: past decade. But you've got several things you need to

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Speaker 1: consider from an NFL standpoint, or if you are the

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Speaker 1: clubs thinking about signing him, you can start with exactly

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Speaker 1: what happened the past three days on social media, coming

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Speaker 1: out saying he's retiring, which that's at least by my camp,

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Speaker 1: the third time since September that he has retired on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: only to reverse course, and then last night again reverse

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Speaker 1: his course and calls on the league, you know, on

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Speaker 1: certain terms to rule on his case. Well, ask Ezekiel

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Speaker 1: Elliott asked Tom Brady, ask any number of other star

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Speaker 1: players in the NFL how much how long they had

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Speaker 1: to wait to get an answer. The NFL, for one thing,

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: always waits in terms of legal cases. They always want

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01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: to wait until the investigative process is played out, until

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Speaker 1: there is resolution in court because they don't want to

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Speaker 1: interfere with the legal process. Once that's all done, they

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Speaker 1: request documents, they make their own findings in terms of

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Speaker 1: a personal conduct investigation. Perhaps the bigger issue, and certainly

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Speaker 1: this is the bigger issue from the teams I've talked to,

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Speaker 1: is the pending civil matter that is still ongoing in Florida,

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Speaker 1: the allegations and a civil suit file by his former

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Speaker 1: trainer alleging sexual harassment and sexual assault. There was a

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Speaker 1: mediation scheduled last Friday, which would suggest that perhaps that

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Speaker 1: was close to being settled. Then the mediation got canceled.

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Speaker 1: This continues to track to go to trial, and team's concern,

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Speaker 1: among all those other things, is some of these sordid

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Speaker 1: details and allegations that may come out at trial. You're

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Speaker 1: signing a player who in the past, we saw it

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01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: last year with the Patriots. He was there per week

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Speaker 1: and as allegations came out, he then sent what we're

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Speaker 1: allegedly threatening text messages to one of the alleged victims

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Speaker 1: in one of those cases, and not as much as

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Speaker 1: anything was what got him cut by the Patriots because

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Speaker 1: the Patriots were aware of certain other things with Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 1: They knew what had taken place in Oakland, they knew

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Speaker 1: that there was a past allegation. But once she was

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Speaker 1: a member of the texting a woman with not even

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Speaker 1: relatively thinly veiled threats and mentioning her kids, that's what

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Speaker 1: made it a problem. That's where Robert Kraft had to

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: ask Bill Belichick, how can you promise me this is

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Speaker 1: never gonna happen again? They couldn't, and so they moved on.

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Speaker 1: As much as Tom Brady and others as a football

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Speaker 1: player want Antonio Brown on the team for any other team,

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Speaker 1: now that's signed up Antonio Brown, you have very big

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Speaker 1: concerns about now your team may being attached to somebody

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Speaker 1: which being accused of sexual harassment, sexual assault, knowing that

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Speaker 1: that civil case is still pending. But then on top

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Speaker 1: of that, what is he going to do next? Tom,

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Speaker 1: You've been all over NFL network, all over Twitter, being

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Speaker 1: the person to share all of this COVID information as

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Speaker 1: to how teams are going to operate during this pandemic,

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Speaker 1: what it's going to look like, what has been agreed upon,

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Speaker 1: what is yet to be agreed upon, and the NFL

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: and NFLPA have agreed upon some things, but there are

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Speaker 1: still some hurdles to overcome. So in your eyes, what

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Speaker 1: are some of those biggest hurdles that have yet to

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01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: be determined or yet to be agreed upon. It's really

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 1: down to three key things. One is a camp schedule.

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Speaker 1: They need to sort out how exactly is this going

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: to play out. We know it's gonna be five or

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Speaker 1: six days of the COVID nineteen initial screening, ben a physical,

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Speaker 1: then your equipment, and then you move into a strength

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01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: and conditioning phase from there. It diverges between the NFL

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Speaker 1: plan and the Union plan. NFL wants about six days

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Speaker 1: of strength and conditioning plus walkthroughs. The NFLPA, based upon

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Speaker 1: recommendations by the Joint Medical Committee, wants three weeks of

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Speaker 1: strength and conditioning before you even move into unpadded practice.

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Speaker 1: So they've got to sort that out. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: they're making a progress on that. They have a general

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Speaker 1: agreement on opt out language, but there's some questions without

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01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: opt out meaning a player because of either being a

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Speaker 1: high risk, having a pre existing condition, a family having

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Speaker 1: pre existing condition, or just simply having general concerns being

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Speaker 1: a normal opt out. When you have to do that,

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Speaker 1: what is the credited or accrued season situation? Those are

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01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: questions that still need to be worked out before they

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Speaker 1: have that done. And then you have a macroeconomic issue.

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Speaker 1: They're working through all the different contractual things, the operational things,

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Speaker 1: but you're going to have, based upon the current projections,

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Speaker 1: potentially a four billion dollar revenue shortfall in twenty twenty. Well,

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Speaker 1: when you have a revenue sharing agreement that means players

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Speaker 1: are getting forty seven forty eight cents on the dollar,

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Speaker 1: and when there's a multibillion dollars shortfall, you owe back

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Speaker 1: that forty seven forty eight cents on the dollars. So

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Speaker 1: the NFL has been pushing to have some kind of

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Speaker 1: agreement with the players union before players get on the field.

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Speaker 1: The union has not to this point showing the urgency

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Speaker 1: that they think it has to be done that quickly.

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Speaker 1: But that certainly is a conversation and a negotiation that

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Speaker 1: is ongoing. Tom. Thanks so much for joining us. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. We hope to have you on soon.

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Speaker 1: We hope you stay safe and well during the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: You gotta guess that was Tom Pellicero of NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: A great interview, very insightful, had a lot of things

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Speaker 1: to say. We are going to take a break, but

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Speaker 1: when we come back, coming up at the two o'clock hour,

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Speaker 1: we will have Chris Brown on to talk about a

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Speaker 1: camp countdown article. He just came out with maybe some

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Speaker 1: what's for lunch coming up in the next segment. But

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Speaker 1: we will be right back as this One Bills Live

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Kalida Health. Welcome back to One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live. Thanks to Tom Polzaro for coming on with

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Speaker 1: us last half hour. We spoke to him just before

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Speaker 1: we got on the air today. We talked about a

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Speaker 1: ton of things and Matt, as you said right before

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Speaker 1: the break, we're gonna try and do a little bit

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Speaker 1: of what's for lunch? Here are you you up for that?

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Speaker 1: We have Let's do some what's for lunch? All right?

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Speaker 1: Here we go, All right, here we go. What's what's

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Speaker 1: for lunch? Coming up? And let's see this year we've

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Speaker 1: got would you what would you rather, Okay, call him

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: he or call him be? Would you rather have Zach

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01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: Ertz or Rob Gronkowski at tight end? Robert Krowski. Please

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: really why? Because Gronk is a very talented tight end

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01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: and even though he took a year off, I still

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01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: think he has a lot left in his tank. I

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Speaker 1: think he is one of the best to do it. Uh.

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01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: He's a threat in the blocking game. He can he

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 1: catches some amazing balls as a threat in the red zone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll take him. I think I would too now that

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01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: when push comes to show, if I'm gonna call take

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01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: a guy, I'll take the Hall of Famer. I think

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Speaker 1: Gronkowski's head in the Hall of Fame, and I think

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Speaker 1: when he comes back after a year off, I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna feel great. So I'm gonna take Grinkowski as well.

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Speaker 1: What's more likely a big year for which rookie wide receiver?

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Speaker 1: Jerry Judy or Cede Lamb. I'm gonna say Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Judy maybe the popular name coming out of Alabama.

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01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: He is a very quick, fast, wide receiver. But one

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Speaker 1: thing when we are at the combine I know was

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Speaker 1: a question was his route running ability. Ceedee Lamb is

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Speaker 1: known as your player who can run the entire route

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01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: tree is very talented and that may not be as

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Speaker 1: fast as Jerry Judy. But I'm picking Ceedee Lamb. I

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Speaker 1: can't even remember who these guys got drafted by. Ceedee

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01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: Lamb went to Houston. Lamb went to Oklahoma. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean in the NFL. Where did he go? That's

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Speaker 1: the thing. That's the thing where I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: what this comes down. He went to Dallas. Oh, Ceedee

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Speaker 1: Lamb went to Dallas, and Jerry Judy went to I

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Speaker 1: don't even know when he went to Denver. Ah Ce

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Speaker 1: Dallas and Denver. Denver's got a lot of great receivers.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Ceedee Lamb. I think Dallas has got

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Speaker 1: a chance to get him the ball better. I like

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01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott better than I like Drew Lockett quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why the rookie he's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: better better years because of the guy thrown to him

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01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: in the system he's working in with, uh Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: down in Dallas. So I'm gonna take Ceedee Lamb in

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01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: Dallas is having a better year than Jerry Judy as

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01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: these rookies, all right, And that's because I couldn't even

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01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: remember who here we were. We were like Stamer abated breath,

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Speaker 1: hoping we got one of those guys. They get drafted

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 1: by somebody else in there, they're dead to me. They're

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01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 1: dead to me. All right. That's the way, the less

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01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: the way it is, all right? Who will see the

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01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: field first when it comes to rookie quarterbacks? Justin Herbert

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01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: for the San Diego Charger or oh my gosh, the

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: LA Charger, or to a taga Iloa with the Miami Dolphins.

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01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: Who gets to see the field first? Herbert or taga

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01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: Iloah two is gonna see the field first? I think

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01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is more of a question mark. Yeah, too,

1450
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: has the injury history, but I think he's shown that

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01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: he's pretty much healthy by now in the videos that

1452
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: he's put out and the reports that have came out.

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 1: I think he's going to take over that franchise quicker

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01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: than Justin Herbert will. I also think Tyrod Taylor may

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01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: put up a fight for that starting job. I'm kind

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01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: of with you on that. I think that's what it

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: comes down due For me is the guy playing in

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Speaker 1: front of each of them. Ryan Fitzpatrick, It's gonna be

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01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: hard to get him out of that, out of the

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Speaker 1: saddle until that team goes belly up and they're gonna

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01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: have more talent this year than they did a year ago.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Miami. I don't think Brian Flores

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 1: is going to be the type of head coach that

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01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: just knee jerks plugs ta In says go. I think

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01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna let him act clamate. I think he's gonna

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01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: let him develop a little bit and put him in

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: when he has a chance to succeed. Or when Ryan

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick throws to the wrong guy six times in a game,

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01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's gonna happen until then.

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Speaker 1: So justin Herbert Well, with Tyrod in front of him,

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01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: Tyrod's not gonna, you know, turn it over. But we

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Speaker 1: know this in Buffalo, Tyrod is gonna be really frustrating

1473
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: for the fans and the help coaching staff to watch

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01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: because he will not pull the trigger and left the

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01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: guy lest the guy's running open, and that's hard to

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 1: do in the NFL. So Tyrod's not going to turn

1477
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: it over, but he won't throw the football down the

1478
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: field enough. I mean, he won't pull the trigger on

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01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: open guys into small windows. And I think the frustration

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Speaker 1: of watching that for the San Diego coaching staff will

1481
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: finally take over, and I think they're gonna get a

1482
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: lot more pressure to put Justin Herbert in. But it's

1483
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: a race between how fast they'll get frustrated with Tyrod

1484
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: and how fast Ryan fits Patrick will throw interceptions, you know,

1485
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: and with a better talent around, I think Fitz is

1486
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna be able to hold off to a longer than

1487
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: Tyrod's gonna be able to hold off the frustration of

1488
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 1: the San Diego fans and coaching staff. So I think

1489
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert in La is going to get a better

1490
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: shot quicker than Tua is behind Fits. You know what

1491
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think both those guys Fits and Fits

1492
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: and Tyrod are gonna both you know, they're both gonna

1493
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: be on the bench. They're gonna put up a fight.

1494
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: But I think they're both gonna be on the bench,

1495
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: but for different reasons. And I think each of those

1496
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: reasons is gonna happen. But I think the frustration will

1497
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: go before anything else. Think I think Anthony Lynn will

1498
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: get frustrated a little quicker than than Brian Flores. Okay,

1499
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: here's an extual one. This is going to be a

1500
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: different little type of menu than we usually had. This

1501
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 1: is bring your own lunch, all right, here we go.

1502
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: Your team needs a hail Mary t d Which wide

1503
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: receiver in all the NFL currently playing do you trust

1504
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: the most to bring in the game winning catch. I'm

1505
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna say somebody that's a current Buffalo bill Who give

1506
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: me Stefan Diggs? Yeah? Yeah, he's good. You know who?

1507
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: You know what though, if you're gonna go around the

1508
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: entire league, most people say, hey, huluo Jones, he's this

1509
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: big guy. You know who I'd pick? Who do you pick?

1510
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins? That guy has the best ball skills of

1511
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: any receiver currently playing. In my opinion, de hop is

1512
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: pretty good. What if you go, what if you go?

1513
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: NFL all time? Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson, he's nine. Randy

1514
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: Moss is pretty good too. Well if it's yeah, see,

1515
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: because here's the thing, Randy Moss. You think I figured

1516
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: Randy Moss When he gets the ends on, he's by

1517
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: himself because he's outruns everybody, right, and he's tall. He's

1518
01:21:54,360 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: not there. Calvin Johnson, it's just a matt up nightmare,

1519
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: an absolute matchup nightmare. He runs a four to three.

1520
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: He's six six weighs two hundred and forty pounds. Have

1521
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 1: you have you ever met Calvin Johnson in person, Maddie,

1522
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: I have never been around Calvin Johnson in person. I

1523
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: would say the only person that is close to that

1524
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: height that I've been around is Tremaine Edmonds, who is

1525
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: a tree trunk standing next to me. I think Calvin

1526
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 1: Johnson might make Tremaine Edmonds look like his little brother. Seriously,

1527
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: that's very both freaking chat. I mean, Calvin Johnson was

1528
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: they called him Megatron since he was in college. I mean,

1529
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: and it's and it's stuck in the pros too. It

1530
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: wasn't like one of those, you know, one of these

1531
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: young guys. This used to happen all the time. Guys

1532
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: come out of college with a nickname like Superman or

1533
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: you know, Jet or whatever. Whatever. They get to the NFL.

1534
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: It's like, you know that in that nickname meant good enough.

1535
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: Ain't ain't good enough for that nickname, So they don't

1536
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: get that nickname when they get the prom Megatron duck.

1537
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: Throughout his career, the guy was unbelievable. So I'm thinking,

1538
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: yeah all time, I'm probably gonna say, uh, I'm gonna

1539
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: say Megatron, Calvin Johnson, all time for that. For the

1540
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: last catch, you gotta have Randy Mott's pretty good one two,

1541
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: pretty good one two? All right, Here we go, Here

1542
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: we go. You're thinking about buying some new clothes, any

1543
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: article of clothing you can think of. Are you gonna

1544
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: take everything or are you gonna take everything against new shoes,

1545
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 1: new shoes or the field. I absolutely love shoes. I

1546
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 1: from from heels to sneakers to flip flops. Give it

1547
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: a softball, Cleaves. I just got a new pair of

1548
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: Tidye air Force ones that I can't wait to rock. Yeah,

1549
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking shoes all day, every day. What about you,

1550
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: Steve Well, you know what I'm gonna say. I'm saying shoes.

1551
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 1: I just got four new pair deliver just did a

1552
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 1: fashion show for us in the Great I got it.

1553
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: I got four new pair of shoes delivered online. And

1554
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I got a new pair of them on

1555
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 1: right now. I'm taking shoes. Yeah, I am a the

1556
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,599
Speaker 1: quintessential American pig. I have too many pairs of shoes

1557
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: for my own good. I was the same way as

1558
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 1: a player. You get free shoes as an NFL player,

1559
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: you know, cleats and stuff. Oh my gosh, so sickening,

1560
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: but it's so good. I'm i'm I loved it. That

1561
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 1: was the best part about pro pro sports, Maddie. Free stuff,

1562
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. Free shoes sports too. I've I've

1563
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: acquired quite a bit of free shoes as well. Sho

1564
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: I absolutely love shoes. Yeah, we both take shoes over

1565
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: the field comes to clothing, all right, here we go,

1566
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: who's the most light here's another one. Who's most likely

1567
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 1: to make the Bill's roster. Duke Williams or Isaiah Hodgens

1568
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: or do both make it? You know, the wide receiver

1569
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: room is going to be a tough room to make.

1570
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 1: There are some really talented players that are going to

1571
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: be a part of that team. And you can take

1572
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, John Brown, Steph Diggs off the board right

1573
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: away because they're definitely making it. Gabe Davis, I think

1574
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna make the roster. But then you get down

1575
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: to Duke Williams, Isaiah Hodgins, Isaiah McKenzie, Andre Roberts, I

1576
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: mean Robert Roster Robert, I I want to say both.

1577
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,680
Speaker 1: If both who's at say, say they keep six? So

1578
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,759
Speaker 1: you keep six those are the two guys behind behind

1579
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: Steph Diggs, John Brown, Cole Beasley, uh Gabriel Davis. And

1580
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: then it's Duke Williams and Isaiah Hodgins. That's your six.

1581
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: We could group, maybe they keep sevens. This is one

1582
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: of the groups. Yeare Roberts to play running back or something? Yes,

1583
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: DeAndre Roberts gotta make the team. So that's yeah. Which

1584
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pick one, though, who's it gonna be

1585
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: Duke Williams or Isaiah Hodgins. That's so tough because Duke

1586
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: had some some flashes last season and when he was

1587
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: put in the game, he he had some good catches.

1588
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 1: But Isaiah Hodgens, what I've seen on tape from him

1589
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 1: is a is a talented, tall receiver. But Duke Williams

1590
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: is a little bit heavier and I think a little

1591
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: bit more of a body up guy, a tougher receiver.

1592
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say Duke all right, Okay, I might

1593
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: say Duke two because he's got a year under his

1594
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: belt and he's kind of got you know, he had

1595
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: to fight, claw, kick and scratch to get back into

1596
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: the NFL, So I'm gonna say it's more important to

1597
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: him and he understands what to do more and I

1598
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: think he'll be the one to do it. I don't know.

1599
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: Isaiah Hodges is no slouch. We'll see all right. Last one.

1600
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: Oh no, we gotta take a break. We're way over.

1601
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 1: That's what's for lunch. Thanks, mad good stuff. We're gonna

1602
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: be back. We're gonna be back. We've got Chris Brown

1603
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: coming up with two to discuss his count debt camp

1604
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: countdown article on Buffalo bills dot com. This is one

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01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: Bills I presented by Kalidah Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1606
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 1: Welcome back to one of Those Lives Teach Asker and

1607
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 1: Maddie Glab here till three. A lot going on in

1608
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: the National Football League as we bear down on training camp,

1609
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: and Maddie that the allegations that have risen about the

1610
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: owner of the New York Jets, Woody Johnson. One of

1611
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: the players that was outspoken about it was safety Jamal Adams,

1612
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: who was pretty critical of what happened. He said, you know,

1613
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: he tweeted out immediately a rebuttal to if this is

1614
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: all true, it's you know, we got to do something

1615
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: about it. Should you know, he was very critical of

1616
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: his owner and he had also already asked to be traded.

1617
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: So teams are now getting the idea that if they

1618
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: make some sort of offer about and this guy can play.

1619
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams is an extremely good safety. But they felt

1620
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 1: like teams felt like they were gonna get him, they

1621
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: were gonna have to extend his contract, him a big deal,

1622
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, And now they think maybe they

1623
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, just get him out of there.

1624
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: I think maybe the Jets would be willing to get

1625
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: rid of him because of his criticism of the owner. Um,

1626
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: you'll see what happens to the owner, right, right, I

1627
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 1: mean to both of them. They made neither one of them.

1628
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: Maybe with the Jets next year, but yeah, I doubt

1629
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: that one of them will be. But Jamal Adams, you

1630
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: sit here with the Bills and you always think about, well,

1631
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 1: we've seen the guy play. He can go, he's talented.

1632
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: But the Bills got the best safety tandem in the league. Yeah,

1633
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I'm good. I'm good on him, right,

1634
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you trade him a six

1635
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: But by the same token, if you've got space for

1636
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: him and you can get him, you trade a sixth

1637
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 1: round or next year for Jamal Adams, just to get

1638
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: him off the Jets. Yeah, I mean, if you can

1639
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: get him for next to nothing, the Jets don't got him,

1640
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: you got him, they can't. He can't play against you

1641
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 1: at least, right That's that's true. Something to think about.

1642
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: Do you don't change him to a new position, I

1643
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: don't make him a nickel back, or you know, start

1644
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: getting him acclimated and maybe you know, in the year

1645
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: or two down the line, he plays for or you

1646
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: trade him again. You know, you get him on the field,

1647
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: you let him play um and when right when when

1648
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: his rookie contracts up, you just let him hit the

1649
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: market or you or you franchise him or something like

1650
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: that in his position. So that's you know that that's

1651
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: a you know, it's crazy talk probably, but nevertheless, if

1652
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: the Jets don't have him, he can't play against you.

1653
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: And if you can get him cheap, what's it worth

1654
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: to you to get him off that defense? It might

1655
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: be worth it. I think I think it's worth worth something.

1656
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: They had a pretty good run defense last year. I

1657
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 1: believe I wanted to say it was top five in

1658
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the league. Um that was one of their stronger parts

1659
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: about their football team as a whole was that defense. Uh,

1660
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: we'll see how that offense looks this season. If if Sam,

1661
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: sam Arnold and lev Bell can have a good season together,

1662
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: right right? That, Yeah, I don't know. I'm I am

1663
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: not a fan of that Levion Bell is. I don't

1664
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,759
Speaker 1: know what he had, the way he handled his career.

1665
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: There's a fifteen million dollar point he made to the

1666
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers that and it cost him that you'll never

1667
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: get it back. And then he went to the Jets,

1668
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: who you know, had an offensive line that was a

1669
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: shadow of the Pittsburgh offensive line that he left behind

1670
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 1: that he would have been playing in front of with

1671
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: for more money or the same money two years in

1672
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 1: a row. It's just, you know, I don't know. You know,

1673
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,040
Speaker 1: he get you're getting, You get what you deserve sometimes,

1674
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I think, right, you get the consequences of your own decisions. Yep.

1675
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 1: I think that that team as a whole has way

1676
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: too many question marks. And I don't think Jamal Adams

1677
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: is going to be the one person to make that

1678
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,719
Speaker 1: team whole. I think he's a part of many parts

1679
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: that need to work together, right right. Here's one of

1680
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: the other things that's going on. The athletic website ran

1681
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 1: a pole about what team if you had to pick

1682
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: a different team than the team you root for to

1683
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: be a fan of for the next ten years. Interesting,

1684
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo was in the Sea. They were in the top eight.

1685
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: They were seventh, seventh overall team. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: pick a team to be a fan over the next

1687
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: ten years, Buffalo was number seven overall of fans, picking

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01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: them to be really good for the next ten years.

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01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: The number one team, Take a guess, the Kansas City Chiefs, Now,

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01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: some Minnesota Vikings? What right? That's what this says right here,

1691
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: it says the percent what's your face? Oh, I'm sorry,

1692
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: that's not I got this backwards. Oh yeah, I'm reading

1693
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: the wrong way. The Minnesota Vikings was the team that

1694
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 1: has the highest percentage of fans in this poll that said, yeah,

1695
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 1: that's my team now, right. So they had six percent

1696
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 1: of the vote, and the Bills were seventh on that

1697
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: list with four point eight percent of the vote. Right. Okay,

1698
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: So you get down and that's where they start doing

1699
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: all this stuff about how you know, what team would

1700
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: you be a fan of if you had to do

1701
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: it for the next ten years? And then it goes

1702
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: to the Kansas City Chiefs, and then the Bills are

1703
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 1: even better on that list. They're number four overall, it

1704
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:40,240
Speaker 1: goes Chiefs, Ravens, Cardinals, Bills are as the four teams

1705
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: that everybody else in the league if they had to

1706
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: pick a team to be a fan of for ten years,

1707
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:45,560
Speaker 1: it would be those teams. The Bills would be the

1708
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: fourth on the list. That's pretty good. Of course, the

1709
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Chiefs are like twenty percent. Yeah, that's the Chiefs aren't

1710
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: like mammoth compared to the Bills five point three six percent.

1711
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: But it doesn't surprise me that they're number four. I mean,

1712
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: the world knows about that fan base. The world knows

1713
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 1: about the way that Bills fans tailgate, and I think

1714
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people would like to be a part

1715
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 1: of it. It's a great vibe that they have as

1716
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 1: a Bills fan with all the people. And I think,

1717
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: and I've said this a gazillion times, and I'll say

1718
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 1: another gazillion times right before we take a break here,

1719
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 1: there's something about being a Bills fan that makes you

1720
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 1: part of an affectionate fraternity. Right It's like you're you're

1721
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: part of like a family, not just a fan base,

1722
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 1: you know. They the Bills fans kind of commiserate together.

1723
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,800
Speaker 1: They kind of like each other more so than other

1724
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: fans are given credit for. They're in it. Bills fans

1725
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 1: are in it together, not just the good times and

1726
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 1: some tough times. Right, So, I think that's one of

1727
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: the things that makes the Bills fan base, that mafia

1728
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more appealing. All right, Steve Tasker, Maddie

1729
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Glab coming back at the top of the hour. Right

1730
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: after this break, Chris Brown's going to come on with

1731
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 1: us and talk about the count down to Camp twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Bills Live presented by Kalid to Health. I'm

1733
01:33:49,720 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radios Downs Down, Tex Tex Down at All.

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01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 1: Welcome back to one Bill's Live. Steve Tasker along with

1735
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 1: Maddie Glab and we're pleading to be joined now by

1736
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: our good friend we all know him, Chris Brown, Buffalo

1737
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Bills insider. Brownie and Maddie have been putting together a

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01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: series of articles called Camp count Camp Countdown twenty twenty

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01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: and Today's and Out. In today's installment of that series

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01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: is who are the Training Camp Sleepers? And Chris Brown

1741
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: picked out a handful of guys who really, to me

1742
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: were really good choices, and some of them are probably

1743
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: not household names, which is why they're sleepers to make

1744
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: the roster. But Brownie, what went into your kind of

1745
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 1: the preliminaries of putting this article together. Well, you try

1746
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: to identify layers on the roster that you feel for

1747
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 1: most fans are somewhat under the radar. Number one, so

1748
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 1: you can kind of share what they have to offer

1749
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: to the roster. And then number two players that you

1750
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: actually think could surprise and maybe make a run at

1751
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: a roster spot or at the very least a spot

1752
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. So we tried, I tried to

1753
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 1: compile enough of those names here for people to chew on.

1754
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 1: We love training camp sleepers. I mean, I feel like

1755
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: this season, even more than last season, there's not going

1756
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: to be fans over at Saint John Fisher. They're not

1757
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 1: going to be able to come and watch practices and

1758
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: see who those sleepers are. So we're going to be

1759
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: providing those names for you, whether it's a video that

1760
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: we're able to post or whether it's articles that we're

1761
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: able to write. So let's start with Ryan Bates, an

1762
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 1: offensive linemen on this team. Not too many people know

1763
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: of Ryan Bates, So why do you think he could

1764
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: be a sleeper this season. Well, I think just by

1765
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:07,679
Speaker 1: virtue of the move that this team made last Stummer

1766
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 1: to acquire him. I mean, he was an undrafted rookie

1767
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: out of Penn State that was signed by the Eagles,

1768
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 1: and the Bills trade Eli Harold for him at the

1769
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: end of training camp, Like between the end of training

1770
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,759
Speaker 1: camp in the beginning of the regular season, they trade,

1771
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, Eli Harold for him, and he comes in

1772
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: and in a matter of days he's playing center, guard

1773
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 1: and tackle. Like they just threw him into the deep

1774
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: end to the pool and he handled all of it.

1775
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 1: And I've talked to Ryan a couple of times, you know,

1776
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: welcomed into Buffalo when he first got traded, and just

1777
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 1: kind of chatted him up a little bit. Guys, got

1778
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: a good head on his shoulders, and to come in

1779
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: on the fly, not know this scheme, not know the

1780
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: blocking responsibilities and techniques you know of Bobby Johnson, the

1781
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: offensive line coach, and to kind of take it all

1782
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: in stride and dress for ade games and playing three

1783
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: of them last year as an undrafted rookie on a

1784
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: line that got completely retooled and signed some free agents.

1785
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're this is a guy that's

1786
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 1: flying under the radar, because I think people are thinking

1787
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,640
Speaker 1: about Darryl Johnson, the free agent that they signed from Carolina.

1788
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 1: They're thinking about Evan Bam and maybe some other veterans

1789
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: that are you know, prime reserves or or projected as such.

1790
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: And I think a guy like Bates really does have

1791
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 1: a chance to be back on the roster again this

1792
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: year just by virtue of the fact that he can

1793
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: play anywhere on the line, center, guard, tackle. And the

1794
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: thing about this is brown and I mentioned this earlier

1795
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: in the show about Jordan Phillips, are not Jordan Phillips

1796
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: up Josh Norman and some of the guys in the

1797
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 1: defensive secondary, some of the other players. When we have

1798
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: a kind of a storyline on the back burner for

1799
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: tomorrow about guys playing other positions. But flexibility may in

1800
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 1: this season be the absolute holy grail, given the act

1801
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: that you don't know if guys might be in and

1802
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: out of the lineup, and you may have to shift

1803
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 1: from right guard to left guard, or from left guard

1804
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: to right tackle or whatever and anywhere else. You know,

1805
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,839
Speaker 1: for safety to corner nickel to corner, linebacker to d lineman,

1806
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 1: outside rusher to interior line. You know, you never know

1807
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: what flexibility you're gonna need because the uncertainty of who's

1808
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 1: actually gonna be on game day roster right so alt

1809
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, a guy to play up and down across

1810
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: the line completely becomes invaluable, especially when you consider the

1811
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: fact that he's on a rookie minimum contract. He's not

1812
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: only versatile, he's supremely affordable. So I think both of

1813
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: those things are working in his favor. And the fact

1814
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: that he can play those positions and not just get by,

1815
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: but he does pretty darn good for a young player

1816
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: who's still on the ascent. I think it's a player

1817
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: that they want to continue to work with and develop

1818
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,759
Speaker 1: for sure. Tasker and I were talking about Isaiah Hodgens

1819
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: already and Duke Williams trying to debate which one will

1820
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 1: make the roster if you had to choose between both

1821
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: of them, and here you say, yeah, Isaiah's going to

1822
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 1: have to jump over a couple of these receivers who

1823
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: have NFL experience. He's coming in as a rookie, he

1824
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: hasn't played in the NFL yet, but he does have

1825
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: that size, which is something this roster needs. Yeah, it's

1826
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 1: wide receiver is going to be fascinating when camp gets

1827
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: going and the practices ramp up here because you're essentially

1828
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: going to have eight players fighting for three wide receiver spots.

1829
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: The only locks really are Beasley, Brown and Digs. After that,

1830
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:47,599
Speaker 1: it's full on competition. It's anybody's spot to win. I mean,

1831
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: I think there are players who are favorites going in,

1832
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,719
Speaker 1: but we've seen coach McDermott and his staff take people

1833
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 1: that rise up and perform and put together good performances

1834
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: now absent preseason games, that might make the task a

1835
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 1: little bit harder for players like Isaiah Hodgens and even

1836
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: Duke Williams. At least Duke Williams has the advantage of

1837
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 1: the coaching staff knowing what he is and is not

1838
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: capable of Hodgins Hodgens still has an awful lot to

1839
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 1: show and how many opportunities he's going to get in

1840
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the practice setting to do that remains to be seen.

1841
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 1: And that's what that makes it an uphill climb, maybe

1842
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: even steeper than it would be for a sixth round

1843
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: draft choice. So Hodgens really has to hit the ground running.

1844
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 1: I think he's got to demonstrate an ability to make

1845
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: plays that other receivers can't make because of his large

1846
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 1: catch radius. So if he makes the roster, I think

1847
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 1: at best he's a situational player, maybe in the red zone.

1848
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: He comes on for package of plays here and there

1849
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,720
Speaker 1: during the week, but he's got a lot of people.

1850
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 1: He's got a leap frog to get there. So you know,

1851
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: people saw him get drafted sixth round be like, Oh,

1852
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a great ad. I don't think he's

1853
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: a lock on the fifty three man roster just by

1854
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: the depth that position has to offer and the fact

1855
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: that he's not going to get opportunities in the preseas

1856
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 1: to show, hey, I can make plays for you. So

1857
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: he might be a practice squad guy when all is

1858
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: said and done right. Steve Tasker Matti Glab on the

1859
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 1: line with Bills insider Chris brown Brownie another guy that's

1860
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: almost in the exact same boat as Isaiah Hodgins. His

1861
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 1: seventh round pick, cornerback Dane Jackson. They bring in E. J. Gaines,

1862
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:30,799
Speaker 1: they bring in Josh Norman, They've already got Levi Wallace,

1863
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 1: all the guys ostensibly playing opposite Tredavious White, so it's

1864
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: a deep room in the cornerback room. But Dave Jackson,

1865
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 1: you think could be because of this style of play

1866
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 1: and the reason they drafted him because of his skill set,

1867
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: could be a guy that might sneak onto the fifty three. Yeah,

1868
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: And I think what they like about him the most

1869
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: is his feisty, physical style of play. This is a

1870
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: corner that's going to get in your face and try

1871
01:42:00,720 --> 01:42:03,720
Speaker 1: to muscle you around. Now, the task is going to

1872
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,960
Speaker 1: be much tougher in the NFL with bigger and stronger

1873
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: wide receivers, and he only goes five eleven a buck eighty,

1874
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: so he's going to really have to prove that that

1875
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: physical style of play can be carried up to this level.

1876
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,640
Speaker 1: If it can't, then I think he's gonna struggle. But

1877
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm banking on the fact that he can bring some

1878
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 1: of that to the secondary. And I think if he

1879
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 1: follows through on his good ability to support the run,

1880
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: which is key in this defensive scheme for corners to

1881
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: bring to the table, then I think he at least

1882
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 1: gives himself a chance. Linebacker is also a position that's

1883
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: going to be interesting. I mean, you probably have your

1884
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 1: starter set Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, and they bring in

1885
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: a j. Klein who is expected to at least take

1886
01:42:50,160 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 1: some of the load that Lorenzo Alexander left from retiring.

1887
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 1: But then you have these guys who could be rotational

1888
01:42:56,520 --> 01:43:01,720
Speaker 1: players in Voshon Joseph, Corey Thompson and del Shan Phillips,

1889
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Tyrrell Dodson, Mike Bell. I mean, the linebacker room is

1890
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: very full right now. You have Voshan Joseph as someone

1891
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: who could be a camp sleeper, and he's been talked

1892
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: about by this coaching staff before. Is being someone who's

1893
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: a very talented linebacker that we just really haven't seen yet,

1894
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: right And you know, I kind of sifted my way

1895
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 1: through all those names that you mentioned Maddie at linebacker,

1896
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 1: and the reason Joseph popped up to me as opposed

1897
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: to some of those others is because I just think

1898
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 1: his physical skill set best matches what they need from

1899
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: their linebackers. In this scheme. You have to be able

1900
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: to run and cover, and he at least has the

1901
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: physical skills to do that, and so then the task

1902
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:49,240
Speaker 1: for him that's on his to do list is diagnosis.

1903
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 1: I think he's just got to diagnose things a little

1904
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: bit faster than he did in the early going before

1905
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:58,760
Speaker 1: he had the shoulder injury Laton Camp last year, And

1906
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 1: so if he has improved his diagnosis skills, which may

1907
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,599
Speaker 1: be tough in a virtual type setting, then I think

1908
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 1: he gives himself a chance to be a reserve linebacker

1909
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,719
Speaker 1: on this roster behind the three names that you mentioned.

1910
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:16,400
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't feel like Corey Thompson belonged on

1911
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: this sleeper list. I think he just offers too much

1912
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 1: on special teams. He was the first linebacker off the

1913
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 1: bench last year, so I think he's on this roster.

1914
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: So I think Vashon Joseph is battling to be that

1915
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth or even seventh linebacker on this roster.

1916
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: And I think he's probably the guy at the head

1917
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: of that group of players that you mentioned after you

1918
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: talked about the top three. Yeah, he's really the guy

1919
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 1: on this list that we that the coaching staff probably

1920
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: knows the least about. His shoulder injury kept him off

1921
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: the field. He was on ir and his skill set

1922
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 1: has yet to be evaluated. A fifth round draft pick,

1923
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 1: he got hurt early, and you know what, do they

1924
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 1: got How much could he have developed last year? They

1925
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 1: don't know about how much could they have gotten out

1926
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,280
Speaker 1: of him? And how is he gonna be on teams?

1927
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: He's a real question mark. But because of his skill

1928
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 1: set that they drafted him last year in the fifth

1929
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: the same round they drafted Matt Malanowin by the way,

1930
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, they got every reason to think this guy

1931
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: could be something down the road. If he's not even

1932
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 1: this year, well yeah, but he's gonna have to show it,

1933
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: and again, much like a lot of these guys on

1934
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: this list, they're gonna have to do it in short order,

1935
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,800
Speaker 1: absent preseason games and probably absent a good deal of

1936
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: reps to prove it, because let's face it, guys, with

1937
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:36,720
Speaker 1: this short run up to the regular season, priority number

1938
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: one is going to be getting the starters ready to

1939
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 1: play games. So you know, these guys on this list

1940
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: are going to have to make the most of the

1941
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,560
Speaker 1: very few reps that they get, and they're going to

1942
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 1: really have to as it in the classroom sessions and

1943
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,680
Speaker 1: prove that they know what the coaches need them to

1944
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: know so they can establish a measure of trust with

1945
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 1: the coaching staff like, Hey, I know you haven't seen

1946
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:57,720
Speaker 1: it on the field a whole lot, but I know

1947
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 1: my stuff and if you need to turn to me,

1948
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm reliable. It may only have to happen in the

1949
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: classroom setting to prove that you know what you're going

1950
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 1: to be called upon to do if in fact, you

1951
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,040
Speaker 1: have to get out on a field. Someone that I

1952
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 1: was excited about last season based off how he played

1953
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: in camp was Mike Love. And then he goes and

1954
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:23,920
Speaker 1: gets hurt. This is a crowded defensive line room. That

1955
01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 1: space is going to be tough to come by. Even

1956
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: more playing time is really going to be tough to

1957
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 1: come by based on the free agents that they've added

1958
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: to the squad in the off season. Why is he

1959
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: someone who could stand out in a camp? Like you said,

1960
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 1: where the priorities going to be getting these starters ready? Yeah?

1961
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 1: I think again, working in Love's favor is the fact

1962
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,120
Speaker 1: that he does have somewhat of a book. With this

1963
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 1: coaching staff, I think they tend to know what he brings.

1964
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: I think the unfortunate thing for Mike was last year

1965
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 1: he was really looking to make this roster and break

1966
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 1: out with the way it was going in camp last year.

1967
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to push Eddie Yarborough out

1968
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: of a job because he was the better guy off

1969
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: the edge. He was more consistent, he was making more plays,

1970
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,719
Speaker 1: and we know that Yarborough was an undrafted success story

1971
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and had been hanging around.

1972
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: But then and you know, I talked to Mike because

1973
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: I said, man, you look bigger through the chest and

1974
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: the shoulders. He added eight pounds of lean muscle mass

1975
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: last offseason because he knew he was too thin and

1976
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: wiry to hold up and set the edge on rundown.

1977
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: So he was trying to become a complete defensive end,

1978
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: not just a situational pass rush guy. And he came

1979
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 1: in at two fifty five last year, which was like

1980
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 1: ten pounds heavier than he was last year. So he

1981
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: had made himself into a protype body and his play

1982
01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:51,080
Speaker 1: was mirroring that and evidence of that. So he was

1983
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: playing stronger, he was getting to the quarterback more often,

1984
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: he was hurrying throws in the camp setting, you know,

1985
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 1: But then unfortunately he winds up on injury injured reserve.

1986
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 1: So where he's at now is you know, anybody's guests.

1987
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,640
Speaker 1: But if we're basing it off of last summer, and

1988
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,759
Speaker 1: he's maintained that that. I think we should be encouraged

1989
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,720
Speaker 1: because he knows this scheme, he's played in it, the

1990
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 1: coaches know who he is. And the other thing too,

1991
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:20,120
Speaker 1: guys to remember here is yes, they are deep at

1992
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,560
Speaker 1: defensive end, but they are not deep in terms of

1993
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,639
Speaker 1: having pure speed off the corner. You know a guy

1994
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 1: that can really bend the edge, you have Jerry Hughes.

1995
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,759
Speaker 1: Mario Addison's kind of more of a power speed mix.

1996
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 1: Trent Murphy's a pure power rusher. So they're not deep

1997
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 1: in terms of pure speed off the edge, and that's

1998
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 1: where Mike might be able to find niche. Yeah, and

1999
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting too because not for nothing, but this is

2000
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: a group of head coaching staff and they value a

2001
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,680
Speaker 1: lot of things that they see every day that none

2002
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 1: of us get to look into. And our buddy Lorenzo

2003
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:56,040
Speaker 1: Alexander couldn't say enough good things about Mike Love and

2004
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: what he brings to the table leadership wise, professionalism. You

2005
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: can tell too, Brownie, whenever a guy transforms himself or

2006
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 1: comes back from off the offseason physically better like ten pounds,

2007
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: a lean muscle, like another ten pounds, eight pounds a

2008
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 1: lean muscle, ten pounds of body weight and still keep

2009
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,759
Speaker 1: your burst. That goes towards a lot of hard working commitment,

2010
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 1: and coaching staffs noticed that a lot. That's why a

2011
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 1: guy like Mike Love on your sleeper list for Training

2012
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 1: Camp twenty twenty. I think that's a guy that is

2013
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, you can get the sharpie out

2014
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: and write his name on the roster. I think that's

2015
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 1: a guy that's got to if he can stay healthy, obviously,

2016
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:33,799
Speaker 1: that's a guy that's got a chance to really contribute,

2017
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: not just make the roster, but really contribute throughout the season.

2018
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 1: It's funny too, because you know, you think about Mike

2019
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 1: Love and Vashan Joseph. They were on IR before the

2020
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 1: season even started, and it's like, oh yeah, I forgot

2021
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 1: about that guy. It's like one of those kind of

2022
01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: like I looked at those names on the roster and

2023
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm gonna put these guys

2024
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 1: on here because number one, I think they have a chance.

2025
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:53,280
Speaker 1: But number two, I think some fans are gonna read

2026
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 1: those names and go, dang, I forgot about him, you know,

2027
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:58,760
Speaker 1: because that's what happens these guys go on ir at

2028
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:00,360
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, you kind of lose track

2029
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: of them, and then it's like, oh, yeah, those guys

2030
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:03,720
Speaker 1: are still under contract. All right, let's see what they

2031
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,680
Speaker 1: got kind of thing. And the last two names on

2032
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 1: your list are undrafted rookies, which we really don't know

2033
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: anything about these guys yet based on I mean, if

2034
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 1: you google their highlights, yeah you can find some things.

2035
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 1: But going through the draft, we got to know our

2036
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 1: draft picks a little bit better. But unlike any season,

2037
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 1: we have no idea about these undrafted guys. And you

2038
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:30,639
Speaker 1: put Josh Thomas, a safety on this list, and safety

2039
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 1: is another position group that's stacked. I mean you could

2040
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 1: argue every single position group is stacked. Of course, you

2041
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:41,560
Speaker 1: have Micah Hyde and Poyer who they're staying there the

2042
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,479
Speaker 1: entire season. But then you have someone like Jaquan Johnson,

2043
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: who came out of Miami and I think has a

2044
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: lot of promise later in his career when he gets

2045
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,799
Speaker 1: that one opportunity. So what is it about Josh Thomas

2046
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 1: that you think he could have a good camp? So yeah,

2047
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 1: I had my two long shots safe for last here.

2048
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,200
Speaker 1: I got a soft spot for these undrafted rookies, they

2049
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 1: really do because you know, the odds are against them

2050
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: and nobody in the world thinks they got a shot,

2051
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: and they're just betting on themselves. And I just love

2052
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: that about undrafted guys, so I always have a soft

2053
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: spot for them. Josh Thomas the reason I put him

2054
01:51:16,360 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 1: on this list. First of all, I was excited when

2055
01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:21,640
Speaker 1: the Bills signed him as an undrafted rookie. I was

2056
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: doing a lot of film study on a Keen Davis Gaither,

2057
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 1: the linebacker from app State, knowing the Bills needed a

2058
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 1: linebacker and he just seemed to fit what the Bills wanted.

2059
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 1: And so I was watching a lot of app State

2060
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: tape and time and again. As I'm watching Gaither make plays,

2061
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going who's at number seven? And I

2062
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 1: know scouts run into this sometimes too. They're scouting one

2063
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 1: guy and all of a sudden, this other guy's popping

2064
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 1: off tape, and all of a sudden, they started watching

2065
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: that guy instead of the guy they planned on watching.

2066
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:52,840
Speaker 1: And that was the case for me because I ended

2067
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:55,640
Speaker 1: up going back and watching more app State tape to

2068
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 1: watch Josh Thomas. He was the safety. So this is

2069
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 1: what I think helps him as a junior. First of all,

2070
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 1: he's a two year captain and an app state at

2071
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 1: least from what I understand, the captaincy is usually only

2072
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 1: reserved for seniors on the roster. It's very rarely handed

2073
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:14,720
Speaker 1: to a junior. So he was named a captain of

2074
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 1: a team on defense as a junior and then again

2075
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 1: as a senior. He was asked to play free safety

2076
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 1: as a junior and then strong safety as a senior.

2077
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 1: So I think the position flexibility helps him there. And

2078
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 1: I think he is a playmaker on special teams. And

2079
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: as we know, guys, if you're an undrafted guy and

2080
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to make the roster at a deep position

2081
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 1: like Mattie outlined at safety, you better bring something on

2082
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 1: special teams. And I think he is capable of doing that.

2083
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:45,040
Speaker 1: Is he still a long shot one hundred percent? Wouldn't

2084
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 1: shock me for a second if he is on this

2085
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 1: team's practice squad though, come you know September. Yeah, and

2086
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 1: not for nothing either. But Antonio Williams the running back.

2087
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: He's six foot two fifteen. He's a half size bigger

2088
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:59,560
Speaker 1: than any other two running back Sack Moss and Devin Singletary.

2089
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 1: Devon being five to seven, Zach Moss five nine. This

2090
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: guy's six foot two fifteen. He's got some ability. He

2091
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 1: went from Ohio State to North Carolina. He was only

2092
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 1: a starter for one year. But this is a guy

2093
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 1: that brings a little something extra physically, I think, to

2094
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 1: the running back room, even though you know it seemed

2095
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:18,040
Speaker 1: like a full room. We had talked about Davante Adams

2096
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 1: getting picked up by the Bills after he got cut

2097
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: by Atlanta. You know, just bring one more guy in.

2098
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 1: But Antonio Williams could be that guy. Yeah. Here's the thing.

2099
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: I was watching some of his tape because I was

2100
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 1: just looking for like late round running backs that the

2101
01:53:31,120 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: Bills might take a flyer on, and he ended up

2102
01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:37,960
Speaker 1: being an undrafted guy too. In no way am I

2103
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 1: comparing Antonio Williams to Barry Sanders. But he's built low

2104
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 1: to the ground, just like Barry Sanders. He's very square shouldered,

2105
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 1: and his hips like they look like they're at his knees.

2106
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: That's how low to the ground he's built. So you

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Speaker 1: watch tape of this guy and people just kind of

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01:53:56,760 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 1: bounce off him. His contact balance is great. He does

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Speaker 1: not have breakaway speed, But I think what we've seen guys,

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01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 1: is especially in these last two drafts. What the Bills

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01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: cove it at the running back position is not breakaway

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01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 1: ability to run for sixty yard touchdowns. What they cove

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Speaker 1: it is guys that can make a two yard gain

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01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 1: into a four or a six yard gain because their

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01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 1: contact balance and ability to get yards after contact is

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01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,840
Speaker 1: so excellent that they keep drives alive and keep you

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01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: on schedule in terms of down and distance. I think

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Speaker 1: Antonio Williams has some of that. The question is whether

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Speaker 1: he has enough of it or whether he's too close

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Speaker 1: in type of running back to Zach Moss and Devin

2121
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 1: Singletary that they say, uh, we might need something else there,

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Speaker 1: but again a practice squad Kennedy. The series is called

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Speaker 1: Camp Countdown twenty twenty. Today's edition put in by Chris Brown.

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01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 1: Who are the training camp sleepers. You guys are going

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01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 1: to keep this series up. I suppose Maddie right through

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Speaker 1: the next week. One more week, all right, guys, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for that, Brownie, thanks for being here with us today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking a minute to come back on

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Speaker 1: the show with us. The Steve Tasker Matti Glab coming

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Speaker 1: back with what do we learn and NFL true false,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by This is Buffalo Bill's Radio, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Khalid to Health and this is one

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Speaker 1: Bills Live. Welcome back to one of those lives. Teach

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Speaker 1: asker Mattie Glab Here, we're gonna do NFL true false

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Speaker 1: right away, but we're gonna hold push it off because

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Speaker 1: some stuff keeps happening as we get closer to training camp.

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Speaker 1: This just out from Los Angeles. The Rams are gonna

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Speaker 1: push back the start date of their training camp. The veterans.

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01:55:38,240 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: We're supposed to show up on July twenty eighth, but

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01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: that has been pushed back and they have yet to

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Speaker 1: determine what that date new date to report for the

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Speaker 1: veterans will be. Most teams now have rookies and quarterbacks

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01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: coming in and they're all getting tested first, and the

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Speaker 1: majority of the teams are scheduled being camp by this

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01:55:57,000 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: coming Tuesday. Now coming to Los Angeles. Here's the problem,

2146
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 1: the spread of the COVID nineteen pandemics making everything more complicated.

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01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 1: California just passed New York State for the most cases

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Speaker 1: in the nation. So gathering eighty or so players plus

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Speaker 1: all the coaches and the staff from every corner of

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01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 1: the country. That was never going to be easy, Maddie.

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01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: And it looks like the Rams are gonna need a

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01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 1: few more days to get it together before they can

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Speaker 1: start welcoming players to camp. Yeah, and for my understanding,

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01:56:26,520 --> 01:56:32,280
Speaker 1: California is a lot more shut down again than other states.

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01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they're fully shut down, but I think

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01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,080
Speaker 1: they rolled back on some of the things that we're

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01:56:37,120 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: starting to be opened. I've had conversations with the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers team reporter and she said, yeah, it's still

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01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:44,560
Speaker 1: tough to get around here and go out in public

2160
01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 1: because a lot of things have reclosed because cases have

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01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: spiked in California. So yeah, I mean it'll be interesting today.

2162
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:57,480
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks and injured players are supposed to report for the Bills.

2163
01:56:57,920 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: I saw that was reported on Twitter. We all know

2164
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 1: that the rookies have already come in and the veterans

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Speaker 1: are set to report on July twenty eight. But I

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01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:09,000
Speaker 1: think the really intriguing part of this is they haven't

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01:57:09,080 --> 01:57:11,920
Speaker 1: set a date. If it's gonna be pushed back, we

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Speaker 1: don't know when. And you would like to think that

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Speaker 1: they would push it back just a week or so,

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Speaker 1: but to not know, Yeah, and it may be that

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01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 1: you just need a couple of days, a couple of

2172
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,960
Speaker 1: extra days to get set up logistically with all the

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01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 1: little bit right. It might be that they can push

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Speaker 1: it back two days instead of a week, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. They might just say, listen, we need

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01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 1: an extra forty eight hours to make sure everything's buttoned

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01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 1: up and to get the report back and get it

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Speaker 1: approved for our infectious disease emergency response plan. And if

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Speaker 1: they can get that, that may be what they're waiting on. That.

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Speaker 1: This report brought from to us from by Jordan Rodrigue

2181
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 1: of the Athletic Gout in Los Angeles. She's reporting all

2182
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: this stuff about the RAMS. Another thing that we've been

2183
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: talking about off and on throughout the last couple of weeks.

2184
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Speaker 1: As you remember when who was Oakley was helping the

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01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 1: league do a new face mask that was full face.

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01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, it was plastic and it was you know,

2187
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 1: the players are big to do about it, I'm not

2188
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna wear it. Well, that's gonna be recommended for every

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01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,240
Speaker 1: player to wear, but it is not going to be

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Speaker 1: required for the players to wear the Oakley full face

2191
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 1: plastic shield under their face mask. So that has been

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01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 1: decided that was one of the outstanding issues regarding the

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Speaker 1: start of training camp in the twenty twenty season. It's

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Speaker 1: what are they're gonna be required, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: recommended by the league, but the players are gonna leave.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna leave it up to the players to actually

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Speaker 1: do that of their own free will. That'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see what ratio of players do and what ratio

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Speaker 1: of players do not where they face shield. It's also

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01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: interesting to see the nfl PA push for certain things

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Speaker 1: and then not push for other things. It seems like

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Speaker 1: the NFLPA is airing on the side of safety for

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01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: all of this, but it says that the league wanted

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01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,800
Speaker 1: the face shields to be mandatory, but does not appear

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01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,000
Speaker 1: that's how things will play out. After talks with the

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01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 1: nfl PA, I know JJ Watt came out and said

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01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 1: that he has trouble breathing already, so to wear a

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01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,720
Speaker 1: face shield it would be very tough for him to play.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if this is the very important part

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Speaker 1: of this conversation, is players who have a tough time

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01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:24,360
Speaker 1: breathing with a face shield, it would be maybe close

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Speaker 1: to impossible. So maybe this is why we're seeing that

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01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 1: face shields are not going to be required, But to

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01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 1: stop the spread of something like COVID nineteen, I would

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01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:37,080
Speaker 1: want to wear a face shield and be as protected

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Speaker 1: as possible, especially when you're lining up against guys and

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01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: sweating and spitting all over each other for three hours. Right,

2218
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,920
Speaker 1: That's where it gets crazy. The players have always just

2219
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:49,640
Speaker 1: harped and harped all through these negotiations about how the

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01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: owners didn't have their best interest at heart. They didn't

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01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:53,960
Speaker 1: want them to, you know, they didn't have the player's

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Speaker 1: safety of heart. Now the owners saying, yeah, we got

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01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,880
Speaker 1: these face shields, it'll keep it from spreading. It'll really

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01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:00,400
Speaker 1: help us out. We want you to where those and

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Speaker 1: the players are going nine. Now, I don't want to

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02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 1: do that. You can't have it both ways. If you

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Speaker 1: want to be safe and they say it's safer to

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02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,160
Speaker 1: wear the mask, what are you doing. What are you

2229
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:12,120
Speaker 1: complaining to the league about by you know, all these

2230
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:14,880
Speaker 1: protocols and the run up and then and then when

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Speaker 1: you actually get on the field where the stuff could spread.

2232
02:00:17,200 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 1: You don't want to take every precaution that you should.

2233
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:23,320
Speaker 1: That to me is creating and give me a break

2234
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:26,120
Speaker 1: about that. The shield and the breathing and the things

2235
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,480
Speaker 1: of three inches away from your face and mouth. I mean,

2236
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: I know you can feel your breath better or you know,

2237
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 1: in a new way when you have those masks on,

2238
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:35,760
Speaker 1: and maybe they do fag up or whatever. But man,

2239
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways. If you're the players,

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Speaker 1: you either want players safety and if you're gonna if

2241
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 1: they recommend, if the health officials recommend, you wear the mask,

2242
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 1: why do the players get to decide that they don't

2243
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: have to when they're gonna make the owners say that

2244
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:54,320
Speaker 1: and the players the players? Are we supposed to protect

2245
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:57,840
Speaker 1: the players from themselves or not. You know, we've got

2246
02:00:57,920 --> 02:00:59,920
Speaker 1: protocols in place that a players sitting there say no,

2247
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm all right, I'm all right, and the concussion protocol

2248
02:01:03,000 --> 02:01:04,800
Speaker 1: guys saying there, no, I don't think you are all right.

2249
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:07,400
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go the players. I want to play, No,

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Speaker 1: you can't. You know, we got to protect him from

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Speaker 1: themselves already. So is this another instance of that where

2252
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 1: the players need to need to be no, you need

2253
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Speaker 1: to wear the mask. You're going to wear the mask

2254
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 1: period the players. I'm surprised that the players have bristled

2255
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Speaker 1: against that, Yeah, I would think they would be all

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Speaker 1: for it. And if I truly had like a breathing

2257
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Speaker 1: problem and the face shield was going to affect that

2258
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 1: even more, I would be doing everything in my power

2259
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:37,440
Speaker 1: to work with a company like Oakley or shut or

2260
02:01:37,800 --> 02:01:42,320
Speaker 1: these helmet companies to try and find out what's the

2261
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 1: way that this can be breathable. I want to be

2262
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:48,240
Speaker 1: protected on the field and I also want to breathe,

2263
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Speaker 1: So how can this happen? There has to be some

2264
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 1: sort of answer, right right, That's all going on. Also,

2265
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Speaker 1: Tom Pelisar, who we had earlier on the show. He's

2266
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Speaker 1: reporting that the negotiation between the NFL and the players

2267
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:03,040
Speaker 1: are fluid and the economics of this about the lower

2268
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 1: salary cap in twenty twenty one, the proposals the NFLPA

2269
02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:09,560
Speaker 1: and the gms, the general managers of the teams believed

2270
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 1: it could lead. If it goes as is without making

2271
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:16,680
Speaker 1: an adjustment, it will lead to a rash of veterans

2272
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:21,000
Speaker 1: who are cut and restructured before the season. The sources

2273
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:23,840
Speaker 1: are saying the NFLPA wants to spread the financial hit

2274
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:27,160
Speaker 1: through the twenty thirty season rather than taking it now,

2275
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 1: and even a ten million dollar reduction in the twenty

2276
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:33,640
Speaker 1: twenty salary cap would be quote too much. At the stage,

2277
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:37,600
Speaker 1: one general manager said, rosters are largely set and many

2278
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:42,080
Speaker 1: teams would be scrambling to free up money someplace. Yeah,

2279
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,879
Speaker 1: it's gonna there's no question, it's gonna be a real problem.

2280
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Speaker 1: And I don't know what the cap next and I

2281
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:50,920
Speaker 1: don't the cap this year should be set. The cap

2282
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,560
Speaker 1: for next year is what they're talking about. Yes, and

2283
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 1: it would and gms and their whole staff would be

2284
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 1: jumping through hoops trying to get you know, fifty three

2285
02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:01,120
Speaker 1: guys or the top fifty three guys on their roster

2286
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:05,520
Speaker 1: after the season underneath the cap before the financial year

2287
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 1: starts next year twenty twenty one with a smaller cap,

2288
02:03:09,680 --> 02:03:13,920
Speaker 1: and what that cap would be really, who knows what

2289
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,680
Speaker 1: that cap is going to be. That's that's the thing,

2290
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,240
Speaker 1: And that's that's new from Tom Poulsara, who we had

2291
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:21,320
Speaker 1: on at the earlier part of our show. He's just

2292
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:29,360
Speaker 1: reported that also the team virtual work, of the virtual

2293
02:03:29,400 --> 02:03:31,360
Speaker 1: work that they're doing now could continue all the way

2294
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:34,640
Speaker 1: through if there's no deal met U. But like we said,

2295
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:37,560
Speaker 1: the NFL and the calendar goes on the CBA is

2296
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 1: what it is, and whatever the players have agreed to,

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02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 1: that's what they're bound to do. There's no there's no

2298
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Speaker 1: outcause for a pandemic, which has been a real issue

2299
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 1: for for all of this, and it's been a I

2300
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know how many times we've used uncharted waters or

2301
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:56,280
Speaker 1: the new normal or all of those kind of catchphrases

2302
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:58,720
Speaker 1: about the weirdness that we're living in right now. But

2303
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:00,720
Speaker 1: this is also this is one of those times when

2304
02:04:01,000 --> 02:04:03,160
Speaker 1: it's all coming to a head and the league is

2305
02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:06,640
Speaker 1: pushing for a resolution on the economics before anybody begins

2306
02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: physical activities at team facilities. The NFL wants to get

2307
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 1: this ironed out, This finance is ironed out before they start.

2308
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,400
Speaker 1: Does this mean if they don't get it ironed out,

2309
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:18,200
Speaker 1: that we're going to see training camp start day get

2310
02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 1: pushed back. I'm telling you, here's the thing. I don't know.

2311
02:04:23,320 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 1: That may be the only leverage the NFLPA has. They

2312
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:28,880
Speaker 1: know how important it is for the league to keep

2313
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:34,080
Speaker 1: grinding out this calendar to go on schedule. If if

2314
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:37,720
Speaker 1: push comes to shove September thirteenth, that weekend, the NFL

2315
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Speaker 1: is kicking it off. Whether they got me and Jay

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Speaker 1: Harris covering kicks or you know what I mean, right,

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Speaker 1: us got me and you and JJ Territo, We're all

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Speaker 1: gonna be out there covering kicks, right, They're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: They're gonna roll out a team. And it may be

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Speaker 1: a co ed affair, you know, it may be you know,

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Speaker 1: contest winners, you know. But I'm telling you, the NFL

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Speaker 1: is going to kick it off. And that's the only

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Speaker 1: leverage I think the NFLP has it that PA has

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Speaker 1: at this moment to maybe push things back. Lots going on,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Mattie Glab thanks for joining us. This one

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bills Radio. What have we learned? Brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental company of

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Heard in the show, we had Tom

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Speaker 1: Pellasaro of NFL dot Com on and he talked about

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Speaker 1: the main hurdles that are left between the NFLPA and

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Speaker 1: the NFL in negotiations. One is a camp schedule. They

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Speaker 1: need to sort out how exactly is this gonna play out.

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Speaker 1: We know it's gonna be five or six days of

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen. Initial screening, ben a physical, then your equipment,

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Speaker 1: and then you move into a strength and conditioning phase.

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Speaker 1: From there, it diverges between the NFL plan and the

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Speaker 1: Union plan. They have a general agreement on opt out language,

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Speaker 1: but there's some questions without opt out meaning a player

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Speaker 1: because of either being a high risk, having a pre

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Speaker 1: existing condition, a family having pre existing condition, or just

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Speaker 1: simply having general concerns being a normal opt out. And

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Speaker 1: then you have a macroeconomic issue. They're working through all

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Speaker 1: the different contractual things, the operational things, but you're going

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Speaker 1: to have, based upon the current projections, potentially a four

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Speaker 1: billion dollar revenue shortfall in twenty twenty. Well, when you

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Speaker 1: have a revenue sharing agreement, that means players are getting

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Speaker 1: forty seven forty eight cents on the dollar, and when

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Speaker 1: there's a multibillion dollars shortfall, you owe back that forty

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Speaker 1: seven forty eight cents on the dollar. That was Tom Pellasaro,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Skyworks, the official construction equipment rental

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Speaker 1: For the usual time of the calendar, there's usually nothing

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Speaker 1: going on, and it seems it's kind of palpable the

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Speaker 1: tension that's going on in the electricity that's around the

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Speaker 1: National Football in the conversation and the urgency of it,

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Speaker 1: and the and the really up to the minute stuff

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Speaker 1: that's going on about the NFL right now with guys

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Speaker 1: are actually reporting into training camp, they're going through the protocols,

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Speaker 1: and this league is starting to flap its wings. It's

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Speaker 1: not off the ground yet, but it is starting to

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Speaker 1: rev the jet engines trying to get off the ground, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is it gonna get off the ground? Are Are we

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Speaker 1: going to crash and burn here? Right? It's true. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot going into this the NFL, in the league,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to just some of the stuff that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. We've been talking about it the whole show.

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Speaker 1: The economics of it are are for somebody else. The

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Speaker 1: fans don't I don't really for the most part, don't

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Speaker 1: care about the economics of it until it affects their team.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what it's going to look like. And

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Speaker 1: for this year, you kind of feel like, hey, they're

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Speaker 1: going to be able to get the economics worked out.

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Speaker 1: The cap is set, Certainly, it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: down year in revenues, but they won't feel it the

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Speaker 1: brunt of it. We'll feel the brunt of it in March, April,

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Speaker 1: and May of next year. And I'm perfectly willing to

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Speaker 1: sit and wait for that shoot to drop. I just

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Speaker 1: want to enjoy this season, because man oh man, it's

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Speaker 1: been a rough first three quarters of the season and

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Speaker 1: the first three quarters of the year, right. But if

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Speaker 1: cuts happen before we even get into the season from

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Speaker 1: veteran players, and if the training camp rosters eighty, man,

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Speaker 1: this could be a little bit crazy before week one hits. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to I mean, if the economic agreement that

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Speaker 1: they make at the table is something that throws a

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Speaker 1: wrench into this season in a significant way, I think

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Speaker 1: I'll be a little bit shocked by that. I think

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Speaker 1: the only ramifications I'm worried about are the roster size.

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Speaker 1: Is how they're going to fit those extra roster guys

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Speaker 1: underneath the underneath the salary cap, and we're how they're

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Speaker 1: gonna designate guys return and a way, and you know,

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Speaker 1: on the roster off the roster COVID guy not COVID guy,

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Speaker 1: actually an injured guy and a guy who's coming back.

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Speaker 1: All that stuff is up in the air, but we'll see. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I've already seen how COVID is hitting the MLB Opening

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Speaker 1: Day tonight. Not for one person, Washington against the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: Juan Soto tested positive. A talented player on that team.

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Speaker 1: He's not playing in tonight's game. Wow, there you go.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting. Well, what's going on? Thanks for sticking

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Speaker 1: with a Steve Tasker, Mattie Glab. We'll be back at

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Speaker 1: noon tomorrow on One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio