WEBVTT - The Confession | Episode 3 0:00:15.356 --> 0:00:15.836 Pushkin. 0:00:18.276 --> 0:00:21.756 Jay Calpern. Here, before we get into this episode, I 0:00:21.796 --> 0:00:23.996 want to let you know that you can hear all 0:00:24.036 --> 0:00:28.236 episodes of deep Cover The Family Man add free right now. 0:00:28.316 --> 0:00:32.596 By signing up for Pushkin Plus. You'll also get bonus episodes, 0:00:32.796 --> 0:00:36.476 full audiobooks, and true crime binges from your favorite Pushkin 0:00:36.556 --> 0:00:41.276 hosts and authors. Plus, your support helps independent shows like 0:00:41.396 --> 0:00:45.796 us continue making the content you crave. Sign up and 0:00:45.836 --> 0:00:49.316 save on the deep Cover show page on Apple Podcasts 0:00:49.796 --> 0:00:54.156 or at Pushkin dot fm Slash Plus use the code 0:00:54.636 --> 0:01:00.116 DC two five for twenty five percent off on annual subscriptions. 0:01:00.596 --> 0:01:08.636 All right, let's get into it. Previously on deep Cover. 0:01:09.356 --> 0:01:15.316 Started to do research looking at the FBI website specifically 0:01:16.196 --> 0:01:27.356 and looking at how people got caught and basically learning 0:01:27.396 --> 0:01:31.916 what not to do in order to get away with 0:01:32.076 --> 0:01:32.796 robbing a bank. 0:01:33.796 --> 0:01:36.036 Do you have any last minute doubts before you walked in? 0:01:37.476 --> 0:01:37.756 Sure? 0:01:38.876 --> 0:01:44.756 Absolutely there were thoughts of aborting it, of course, should 0:01:44.756 --> 0:01:45.516 I or shouldn't I? 0:01:45.556 --> 0:01:45.876 Do this? 0:01:47.396 --> 0:01:50.836 Tellers are the ones of the true victims, because other 0:01:50.916 --> 0:01:55.076 ones face to face with somebody, not knowing how desperate 0:01:55.116 --> 0:01:58.836 this individual is and not knowing if this individual, for 0:01:58.916 --> 0:02:10.596 one reason or another, would suddenly become violent and hurt them. 0:02:10.876 --> 0:02:14.396 Throughout two thousand and eight, Keith Giamanco had been on 0:02:14.436 --> 0:02:18.636 a crime spree, robbing banks once. He even did two 0:02:18.796 --> 0:02:22.476 in a single day. That September, he was back in 0:02:22.516 --> 0:02:26.396 his car looking for his next target, somewhere just off 0:02:26.396 --> 0:02:30.236 the highway, preferably a place with a simple layout, clear 0:02:30.316 --> 0:02:33.756 lines of sight so it could be easy in and 0:02:33.836 --> 0:02:38.356 easy out. He eventually spot at a branch of Commerce Bank. 0:02:39.076 --> 0:02:41.996 Next door was a bakery with its own parking lot, 0:02:42.356 --> 0:02:45.116 tucked away, a place he could leave his car well 0:02:45.156 --> 0:02:48.436 out of sight, and just a stone's throw from there 0:02:48.916 --> 0:02:50.956 was an entrance ramp to the highway. 0:02:51.796 --> 0:02:54.596 I parked the car in and out of the way, 0:02:54.636 --> 0:02:58.036 place where it couldn't be seen from the building, and 0:02:58.156 --> 0:03:00.996 I went in and I did the same thing that 0:03:01.076 --> 0:03:04.316 I always did, handed the teller a note. 0:03:04.436 --> 0:03:08.876 Keith exited with nearly thirteen thousand dollars in cash, no 0:03:09.196 --> 0:03:13.596 signs of trouble. Seemed like another success his twelfth robbery, 0:03:14.156 --> 0:03:17.356 so he gets back into his car and exits the 0:03:17.396 --> 0:03:18.036 parking lot. 0:03:20.236 --> 0:03:22.996 When I left the bank and got on the road 0:03:23.836 --> 0:03:26.676 and was sitting at the stoplight waiting to get back 0:03:26.796 --> 0:03:31.796 on to the interstate. I could see the police cars 0:03:31.836 --> 0:03:35.556 coming the other way, and then I looked out of 0:03:35.636 --> 0:03:39.756 my rear view mirror and one of them did a 0:03:39.836 --> 0:03:43.036 you turn and turned around and got immediately behind me. 0:03:45.556 --> 0:03:49.716 Keith tensed. Maybe this meant he was busted, or maybe 0:03:49.756 --> 0:03:52.596 it meant that the police were just fanning out looking 0:03:52.636 --> 0:03:56.916 for a suspect with no positive ID, because in past 0:03:56.996 --> 0:04:00.636 robberies Keith had seen cop cars racing in as he 0:04:00.716 --> 0:04:04.916 slipped away. Keith made his turn onto the ramp leading 0:04:04.956 --> 0:04:08.636 onto the highway, the highway which could still lead him 0:04:08.636 --> 0:04:13.516 back home, to fluorescent, to his daughter's, to safety, to 0:04:13.596 --> 0:04:16.676 his house, where the grass was still waiting to be mowed. 0:04:18.396 --> 0:04:21.956 But the police car was still right behind him, and 0:04:22.036 --> 0:04:27.476 now its lights were flashing. Keith eased his foot onto 0:04:27.476 --> 0:04:31.716 the accelerator, willing his blue Mercury Marquee up the on ramp. 0:04:32.356 --> 0:04:35.596 The engine hum deepened as the car picked up speed 0:04:36.196 --> 0:04:40.796 forty five fifty sixty. The patrol car was still there, 0:04:41.116 --> 0:04:44.596 right on his tail. Then he heard it faint, At 0:04:44.676 --> 0:04:50.396 first the thud of rotor blades overhead a helicopter. Cars 0:04:50.436 --> 0:04:53.636 began to drift to the shoulder. One by one, the 0:04:53.756 --> 0:04:58.516 road was clearing for him. In that widening space, the 0:04:58.556 --> 0:05:02.476 truth settled in. This wasn't a close call anymore. 0:05:03.476 --> 0:05:04.276 It was a chase. 0:05:05.556 --> 0:05:07.916 For a moment, he considered making a run for it, 0:05:08.316 --> 0:05:12.516 just going pedal to the metal. But up ahead, the 0:05:12.556 --> 0:05:13.876 police had blocked the road. 0:05:15.596 --> 0:05:21.836 It was an all out onslaught of police cars, helicopters, 0:05:22.476 --> 0:05:25.196 cars in front of me, cars behind me, blocked in, 0:05:26.716 --> 0:05:30.796 weapons drawn, and I knew that it was over. 0:05:44.156 --> 0:05:47.396 Keith told me that during his crime spree, he didn't 0:05:47.436 --> 0:05:50.996 allow himself to think about a moment of calamity, about 0:05:51.116 --> 0:05:55.076 what would happen if his plan went horribly wrong, as 0:05:55.076 --> 0:05:58.956 if this form of denial was essential to the whole enterprise. 0:06:00.476 --> 0:06:05.756 But suddenly that moment had arrived, and at last he 0:06:05.796 --> 0:06:11.876 found himself peering into the abyss. What happened next would 0:06:11.916 --> 0:06:15.876 define the lives of Keith and his daughters for years 0:06:15.916 --> 0:06:24.236 to come. I'm Jay Calvern and this is Deep Cover 0:06:24.636 --> 0:06:51.436 The Family Man, Episode three, The Confession. Can I ask 0:06:51.476 --> 0:06:54.876 you a question? When you see the flashing lights all 0:06:54.916 --> 0:06:59.636 around you, are you surprised that this moment has finally happened? 0:06:59.636 --> 0:07:00.556 Are you surprised that? 0:07:00.636 --> 0:07:00.876 Sure? 0:07:01.516 --> 0:07:04.716 Absolutely? Because I didn't do anything different than I had 0:07:04.756 --> 0:07:07.676 in any of the other robberies. The only difference was 0:07:08.276 --> 0:07:14.076 that a bank lloyee broke bank policy and protocol, and 0:07:15.716 --> 0:07:21.236 against all law enforcement advice, left the building and followed 0:07:21.236 --> 0:07:21.636 me out. 0:07:22.796 --> 0:07:26.436 What Keith's talking about here, what he's still circling, is 0:07:26.556 --> 0:07:31.516 the detail that undid him. The bank manager followed him outside, 0:07:32.196 --> 0:07:35.796 watched him walk to the car, noted the make, the model, 0:07:36.036 --> 0:07:40.756 and crucially the license plate. This wasn't supposed to happen. 0:07:41.596 --> 0:07:45.076 In all of his reading, all of his preparation, Keith 0:07:45.116 --> 0:07:49.556 had convinced himself that bank managers were trained not to pursue, 0:07:50.036 --> 0:07:54.436 that it was unsafe, that protocol required them to stay inside, 0:07:54.676 --> 0:07:59.116 locked down, and wait for the police. Keith assumed that's 0:07:59.116 --> 0:08:02.076 how it would go down, and so what he cannot 0:08:02.116 --> 0:08:05.796 quite fathom even to this day, is that the system 0:08:05.996 --> 0:08:07.876 didn't behave the way it was supposed to. 0:08:09.236 --> 0:08:12.796 You would never expect that to happen. I never thought 0:08:12.796 --> 0:08:15.316 about getting caught, but if I did, that would have 0:08:15.356 --> 0:08:18.316 probably been the last thing that I would have thought 0:08:18.676 --> 0:08:20.916 that I would have been caught in that manner. 0:08:24.796 --> 0:08:27.556 Keith says that when it became apparent that there was 0:08:27.716 --> 0:08:30.276 no escape, he pulled over to the side of the 0:08:30.356 --> 0:08:34.116 highway and slowly got out of his car. A police 0:08:34.156 --> 0:08:37.476 officer forced him onto the pavement while another tightened a 0:08:37.516 --> 0:08:41.676 pair of handcuffs around his wrists. Keith says one of 0:08:41.676 --> 0:08:44.556 the officers planted a knee in the middle of his back, 0:08:45.076 --> 0:08:48.836 keeping him down on the ground. Then he turned and 0:08:48.876 --> 0:08:55.596 saw another officer aiming a pistol at his head. I 0:08:55.636 --> 0:08:59.156 wondered if perhaps this was the moment that reality finally 0:08:59.196 --> 0:09:02.876 came crashing down on him. You told me that you 0:09:03.796 --> 0:09:07.516 had not really thought about the worst case scenario happening 0:09:07.516 --> 0:09:10.676 if you're getting caught, because, in your words, you wanted 0:09:10.716 --> 0:09:15.476 to manifest success. So I guess what's it like at 0:09:15.476 --> 0:09:16.076 this moment. 0:09:16.276 --> 0:09:18.796 Well, at that point, at that point, Jake, I couldn't 0:09:18.836 --> 0:09:21.916 figure out how they had to make on my vehicle. 0:09:22.876 --> 0:09:28.036 So I was still thinking, you know what happened here 0:09:28.676 --> 0:09:32.916 because my vehicle was not in sight of the bank itself. 0:09:32.956 --> 0:09:34.516 But why would that matter at this point? 0:09:35.436 --> 0:09:38.236 Well, I think when something goes wrong, you automatically try 0:09:38.276 --> 0:09:39.076 to figure out. 0:09:38.876 --> 0:09:39.756 Why it went wrong. 0:09:40.036 --> 0:09:46.476 I see the post mortem. Yeah, okay, is there a 0:09:46.516 --> 0:09:50.516 moment where real fear grips you about what's gonna happen 0:09:50.516 --> 0:09:52.236 with the kids or does that come later? 0:09:52.636 --> 0:09:58.516 That comes later. At that point, I'm thinking, Okay, I 0:09:58.676 --> 0:10:05.596 tell the truth and explain my circumstances, and anything that 0:10:05.716 --> 0:10:09.876 might be mitigating might be helpful. And this may not 0:10:09.916 --> 0:10:11.116 turn out too bad. 0:10:11.316 --> 0:10:12.436 That's true, thinking. 0:10:14.756 --> 0:10:16.556 That is very optimistic. 0:10:17.116 --> 0:10:19.116 Sure, well, it may not turn out as bad as 0:10:19.156 --> 0:10:20.956 what somebody might think. 0:10:23.156 --> 0:10:26.356 And there it was, even in this moment that I 0:10:26.396 --> 0:10:29.516 had to imagine was rock bottom, the lowest of the low, 0:10:29.956 --> 0:10:32.916 when it seemed like the direnness of the situation could 0:10:32.956 --> 0:10:37.796 no longer be ignored or minimized, there was Keith still 0:10:37.996 --> 0:10:41.956 manifesting success. Was there any feeling of relief. 0:10:45.636 --> 0:10:50.556 No, I didn't feel relieved as much as I felt 0:10:50.636 --> 0:11:09.676 anxiety of what was going to happen next. 0:11:15.396 --> 0:11:18.436 While Keith was on the side of the highway in handcuffs, 0:11:18.956 --> 0:11:23.316 Detective John Bradley was actually nearby driving around. 0:11:24.316 --> 0:11:26.516 My partner and I at the time. You know, we 0:11:26.636 --> 0:11:29.596 would go out during different times and just kind of 0:11:29.636 --> 0:11:33.396 ride the area thinking that it may happen again, because 0:11:33.436 --> 0:11:37.116 it was happened so frequently that day. I think we 0:11:37.116 --> 0:11:41.956 were out already, just traveling around, just being available when 0:11:41.956 --> 0:11:42.916 the call came out. 0:11:43.476 --> 0:11:47.436 Bradley soon arrived at the scene of the arrest. What 0:11:47.516 --> 0:11:51.436 does that moment feel like as a law enforcement officer, 0:11:51.516 --> 0:11:53.476 when you know you've got him. 0:11:54.956 --> 0:11:58.716 It's a good feeling because you know, the officers didn't 0:11:58.716 --> 0:12:01.196 get hurt, the employees didn't get hurt, He didn't get hurt. 0:12:02.036 --> 0:12:02.836 Nobody got hurt. 0:12:04.316 --> 0:12:09.396 Detective Bradley inspected Keith's getaway car, the blue Mercury Marquis. 0:12:09.916 --> 0:12:13.436 The evidence of a hurried costume change lay in plain sight, 0:12:13.996 --> 0:12:18.316 discarded clothing, a razor, and a plastic cup clouded with 0:12:18.356 --> 0:12:22.476 shaving water. Then he turned his attention to Keith himself, 0:12:22.756 --> 0:12:25.476 who was already in the back seat of a squad car. 0:12:26.516 --> 0:12:30.676 Keith wore black dress slacks and a gray sleeveless T shirt. 0:12:31.436 --> 0:12:34.476 The police report mentioned that he still had a dress 0:12:34.516 --> 0:12:37.516 shirt tucked into his waistband, the rest of the shirt 0:12:37.636 --> 0:12:41.356 hanging down around his hips, like he hadn't had time 0:12:41.396 --> 0:12:45.396 to finish pulling it off. Here, at last, was the 0:12:45.436 --> 0:12:49.516 man that Bradley had been chasing for months. Bradley studied him, 0:12:50.076 --> 0:12:50.636 took him in. 0:12:51.756 --> 0:12:54.876 He didn't seem like a real aggressive guy. Once you 0:12:54.876 --> 0:12:58.916 start talking to him, you know, not a guy that 0:12:59.956 --> 0:13:07.116 would be out committing such serious crimes. Cordial, not combative, 0:13:07.636 --> 0:13:09.836 as how I would describe him. 0:13:09.956 --> 0:13:13.116 Detective John Bradley and Keith ended up at the Saint 0:13:13.156 --> 0:13:18.116 Louis County Police Headquarters in Clayton, Missouri, and eventually another 0:13:18.236 --> 0:13:23.396 officer joined them in an interrogation room. Blank walls, table, 0:13:23.756 --> 0:13:24.596 a couple of chairs. 0:13:25.876 --> 0:13:29.476 The date is September eighteenth, two thousand and eight. 0:13:30.916 --> 0:13:33.636 This is Detective John Bradley, GSM three point eight, one 0:13:33.676 --> 0:13:36.636 of the Saint Louis County Police Department Bureau Crimes against Persons. 0:13:37.436 --> 0:13:39.756 This interview is being conducted at seventy nine hundred and 0:13:39.796 --> 0:13:40.516 four side. 0:13:41.236 --> 0:13:44.516 This is a recording from that interrogation room. 0:13:44.996 --> 0:13:50.636 The person being interviewed is Donald, Keith Giamanco Donald or 0:13:50.716 --> 0:13:53.516 you'd like to be referred to as Keith Donald. 0:13:53.596 --> 0:13:54.276 Is okay? 0:13:54.596 --> 0:13:57.596 You understand that this interview is being recorded on audio tape? 0:13:57.756 --> 0:13:58.316 Yes, okay. 0:13:58.476 --> 0:14:02.596 Before I ask you any questions, your advisor your constitutional rights? 0:14:02.956 --> 0:14:03.756 Yes, okay. 0:14:04.036 --> 0:14:07.116 The time that your advised of your constitutional rights was 0:14:07.236 --> 0:14:08.276 six fifty two PM. 0:14:08.356 --> 0:14:08.756 Is that right? 0:14:09.436 --> 0:14:13.276 Okay? Are you willing to continue with this interview? Yes. 0:14:14.436 --> 0:14:17.396 One of the first things that Detective Bradly asked about 0:14:17.836 --> 0:14:21.596 was the first bank robbery that he'd investigated, the one 0:14:21.716 --> 0:14:24.396 that got him started on this whole wild goose chase 0:14:24.956 --> 0:14:25.356 back in. 0:14:25.396 --> 0:14:28.916 March, Can you, just, in your home words, describe to 0:14:28.956 --> 0:14:30.596 me what occurred that day. 0:14:32.556 --> 0:14:41.076 I was in deep distress about bills and taking care 0:14:41.116 --> 0:14:45.436 of my children, my twin seventeen year old daughters, and 0:14:46.996 --> 0:14:51.196 they're back tuition from last year, and you know, basically 0:14:51.276 --> 0:14:53.876 just putting food on the table and paying the bills. 0:14:53.916 --> 0:14:54.596 So I. 0:14:56.676 --> 0:15:00.596 Made a note out and went in, handed the teller 0:15:00.636 --> 0:15:03.716 of the note and let on foot. 0:15:03.876 --> 0:15:09.716 And do you remember what the note said? I exactually 0:15:09.756 --> 0:15:12.716 work forward? What what do I called it? You know, 0:15:12.836 --> 0:15:19.356 give me all the money in both jars and we'll 0:15:19.436 --> 0:15:20.276 all go home safe. 0:15:22.036 --> 0:15:25.076 Listening to this tape, there was so much that intrigued me. 0:15:25.876 --> 0:15:29.476 First is how completely calm both Bradley and Keith seemed 0:15:29.516 --> 0:15:34.476 to be. Polite, understated. Bradley's vibe is slow and deliberate, 0:15:35.116 --> 0:15:37.556 kind of like a guy approaching a dog he doesn't 0:15:37.556 --> 0:15:41.356 want to spook. In this approach, it seemed to work. 0:15:41.916 --> 0:15:44.956 Keith does not request a lawyer to be present, He 0:15:45.116 --> 0:15:50.116 just talks. Keith explains that after robbing this bank. He 0:15:50.236 --> 0:15:51.156 drives back home. 0:15:52.076 --> 0:15:55.476 Once you got to your residence, what did you do? 0:15:57.596 --> 0:16:01.436 I got rid of the jacket that I. 0:16:01.356 --> 0:16:11.036 Was wearing, and I threw it away, and I basically 0:16:11.156 --> 0:16:14.276 just had dinner with my kids and spent an evening 0:16:14.316 --> 0:16:14.676 at home. 0:16:15.316 --> 0:16:15.836 This is whine. 0:16:15.956 --> 0:16:18.596 We lived in a different residence, the one that I 0:16:18.716 --> 0:16:20.036 lost in foreclosure. 0:16:20.356 --> 0:16:28.196 Okay, what happened in that house? We lost it? 0:16:30.556 --> 0:16:34.036 You might recall at one point Keith robbed two banks 0:16:34.076 --> 0:16:37.876 in one day. He did this to avoid foreclosure. But 0:16:37.996 --> 0:16:41.716 in the end, it turns out Keith lost that house anyway. 0:16:42.516 --> 0:16:47.636 And when this memory resurfaces, something seems to shift within Keith, 0:16:48.236 --> 0:16:52.076 and his calm, casual air evaporates. 0:16:52.716 --> 0:16:54.276 Do you know what you do with the money from 0:16:54.276 --> 0:16:59.356 the bank robbery? They used it for. 0:17:02.276 --> 0:17:09.116 To try to catch up on house payments and other bills. Enough, attorney, 0:17:09.196 --> 0:17:12.996 he's in the electric and counselor's and paying the girls 0:17:13.076 --> 0:17:13.956 school tuition. 0:17:14.236 --> 0:17:19.716 And okay, okay, I know what was wrong. 0:17:20.796 --> 0:17:25.156 I'm very sorry for it, and I'm really sorry for 0:17:25.196 --> 0:17:26.676 anybody that I scared or. 0:17:28.236 --> 0:17:29.476 Thought I might do harm too. 0:17:31.116 --> 0:17:33.236 But you know, as desperate as I was, I thought 0:17:33.236 --> 0:17:35.316 this is a way that I can, you know, do 0:17:35.476 --> 0:17:38.876 this right now without hurting anybody. 0:17:40.316 --> 0:17:41.356 In a physical sense. 0:17:43.636 --> 0:17:47.036 And you know, I don't know whether I was really 0:17:48.636 --> 0:17:50.996 ever of the belief that I would never get caught. 0:17:51.636 --> 0:17:56.236 It was just like almost a day to day desperation thing. 0:17:57.756 --> 0:18:00.836 When I spoke to Keith about his confession and why 0:18:00.876 --> 0:18:03.956 he talked, he told me that he was tired of 0:18:04.036 --> 0:18:08.116 lying and that in the moment he felt an overpowering 0:18:08.156 --> 0:18:14.636 desire to come. At the very end of the recording, 0:18:15.236 --> 0:18:18.516 Bradley throws out what I like to call the hail 0:18:18.556 --> 0:18:22.236 Mary question, like a last shot at getting to the 0:18:22.236 --> 0:18:23.596 bottom of things. 0:18:24.396 --> 0:18:26.676 All right, Well, do you have anything else you want 0:18:26.676 --> 0:18:29.676 to tell us to. 0:18:29.596 --> 0:18:33.036 Have to say? 0:18:33.076 --> 0:18:37.316 I'm very sorry, and I would like to have the 0:18:37.516 --> 0:18:42.036 chance to make restitution and be there for my kids, 0:18:42.076 --> 0:18:45.156 because they're the main thing. And I've always been there 0:18:45.196 --> 0:18:48.516 for my kids, and that's the only reason I would 0:18:48.556 --> 0:18:50.276 ever even think of anything like this. 0:18:53.116 --> 0:18:53.436 Okay. 0:19:01.396 --> 0:19:05.116 He's talking here, of course, about Elise and Marissa, his 0:19:05.236 --> 0:19:09.356 seventeen year old twin daughters. They would soon have so 0:19:09.476 --> 0:19:12.716 much to deal with the revelation that their father was 0:19:12.836 --> 0:19:16.196 the Boony Hat bandit, the chaos that this would create, 0:19:16.876 --> 0:19:21.156 the fact that for the foreseeable future, they were effectively orphaned, 0:19:21.956 --> 0:19:25.036 and on top of all of that, their fathers claim 0:19:25.356 --> 0:19:44.996 that he had robbed these banks for them. On the 0:19:45.076 --> 0:19:49.916 day after Keith Giamanco's arrest, his twin daughters, Elise and Marissa, 0:19:50.396 --> 0:19:54.956 hunkered down in their small house in Florescent, Missouri. A 0:19:54.996 --> 0:19:58.036 whole bunch of reporters and news crews were outside on 0:19:58.076 --> 0:20:02.476 the sidewalk, yelling questions and slipping notes under their front door. 0:20:03.596 --> 0:20:07.036 The girls weren't sure what to say. They themselves had 0:20:07.076 --> 0:20:14.196 so many questions, starting with did dad really do this? Initially, Marissa, 0:20:14.436 --> 0:20:18.036 the more rebellious sister, was convinced that the police had 0:20:18.036 --> 0:20:22.396 made a mistake arrested the wrong guy. But then she 0:20:22.516 --> 0:20:24.676 saw her father's mugshot on TV. 0:20:25.516 --> 0:20:28.356 He's browning in the picture. Like it's kind of an 0:20:28.356 --> 0:20:33.676 intense mugshot actually, because you can just see the self 0:20:33.676 --> 0:20:36.956 disgust and the oh my god, I got caught. And 0:20:36.996 --> 0:20:38.996 I even looked it up online just so I could 0:20:39.036 --> 0:20:42.356 like get a real like stare at it for a minute, 0:20:43.356 --> 0:20:46.356 and like you can just see it in the mugshot. 0:20:46.436 --> 0:20:49.356 So I was like, that is not the look of 0:20:49.396 --> 0:20:50.436 an innocent man. 0:20:51.596 --> 0:20:54.196 It became clear that the man that they knew as 0:20:54.276 --> 0:20:58.556 their father was also a master of disguise who'd hit 0:20:58.716 --> 0:21:04.156 twelve banks, he'd exit, loot in hand, and vanish until 0:21:04.236 --> 0:21:09.276 he magically reappeared at Elisa's orchestra concerts, or in the 0:21:09.396 --> 0:21:13.156 kitchen making dinner, or in his rams gear mowing the 0:21:13.276 --> 0:21:17.676 lawn like nothing had happened. Talk about a poker face. 0:21:18.796 --> 0:21:23.116 For his daughters. It left their head spinning. Here's Elise, 0:21:23.516 --> 0:21:27.876 the striver who dressed in bright colors, loved to make checklists, 0:21:28.276 --> 0:21:29.836 and worked at Banana Republic. 0:21:31.116 --> 0:21:36.676 I didn't trust anyone after that. I felt like I 0:21:36.716 --> 0:21:39.436 was living in some sort of simulation, almost like what 0:21:39.716 --> 0:21:45.236 is actually reality? Is everyone lying to me about who 0:21:45.276 --> 0:21:45.636 they are. 0:21:47.196 --> 0:21:50.996 Elisa's one saving grace was that deep down she always 0:21:51.076 --> 0:21:53.956 knew who she was and who she wasn't. 0:21:54.476 --> 0:21:57.356 I was like, I am not my parents' mistakes. That 0:21:57.476 --> 0:21:59.716 is not me, that is them, you know. I was like, 0:21:59.756 --> 0:22:02.196 I have to recalibrate the way that I'm thinking about 0:22:02.196 --> 0:22:04.156 this because I am never going to get the support 0:22:04.196 --> 0:22:07.036 that I need from my parents right now. There's not 0:22:07.156 --> 0:22:09.956 a Knight in shining armor, nobody coming to save you. 0:22:10.876 --> 0:22:13.396 Elise was a young woman who always had a plan, 0:22:13.916 --> 0:22:18.876 and so right away, instinctively she started writing a list. 0:22:19.156 --> 0:22:22.036 I remember sitting at the desk listening to iron and Wine. 0:22:22.556 --> 0:22:25.916 I was, you know, writing this list out. It included 0:22:26.036 --> 0:22:31.556 call a social worker, figure out food stamps. My car 0:22:31.636 --> 0:22:34.436 always needed maintenance too, so that was always on the list, 0:22:34.916 --> 0:22:37.996 new fuel injector can you do this yourself? Question for? 0:22:39.196 --> 0:22:42.476 And then also a big one was find dad a lawyer. 0:22:43.516 --> 0:22:45.956 I remember from the first day, I was like, we 0:22:45.996 --> 0:22:49.556 need to figure out how he's going to be defended. 0:22:52.716 --> 0:22:56.236 Alise eventually began looking at the dates when the robberies 0:22:56.276 --> 0:23:00.276 occurred and match them up with moments that stuck out 0:23:00.276 --> 0:23:03.356 in her memory. Moments when Dad suddenly seemed to have 0:23:03.436 --> 0:23:06.716 money to pay their tuition at their private school, or 0:23:06.916 --> 0:23:09.596 when he peeled off one hundred dollars bill and left 0:23:09.596 --> 0:23:13.916 a huge tip at the outback steakhouse. And suddenly it 0:23:14.076 --> 0:23:15.276 all started to click. 0:23:15.796 --> 0:23:18.356 It made me angry. I just was angry at the 0:23:20.396 --> 0:23:25.756 just the lying and the the living of a double life, 0:23:25.876 --> 0:23:29.916 because that's what he was doing. He was robbing banks 0:23:29.916 --> 0:23:32.316 and pretending that he was like coming home and living 0:23:32.316 --> 0:23:38.076 a regular life, and those are two separate realities. You know, 0:23:38.396 --> 0:23:40.836 there's the booney hat bandit and there's Keichiamanco. 0:23:47.036 --> 0:23:48.956 One of the hardest parts for a Leaves to wrap 0:23:48.996 --> 0:23:51.796 her head around was just how long this had been 0:23:51.836 --> 0:23:55.316 going on for. Because her dad didn't just rob a 0:23:55.356 --> 0:23:59.356 bank once. He did it over and over for roughly 0:23:59.396 --> 0:24:03.556 a year. That kind of thing takes planning and nerve 0:24:04.196 --> 0:24:06.356 and the willingness to wake up and decide to do 0:24:06.396 --> 0:24:10.436 it all over again. And for a Lise and Marissa, 0:24:10.756 --> 0:24:15.556 there were no obvious answers, only more questions like why 0:24:15.556 --> 0:24:18.596 didn't he ask for help, Why didn't he find a job? 0:24:19.356 --> 0:24:23.436 How had he managed such an elaborate deception, and how 0:24:23.516 --> 0:24:25.796 did he possibly think that he was going to get 0:24:25.796 --> 0:24:26.396 away with this? 0:24:27.516 --> 0:24:30.036 And I ran this stuff over and over in my head. 0:24:30.156 --> 0:24:33.676 It wasn't just once or twice. It's been millions of times. 0:24:34.756 --> 0:24:37.876 I'm stuck in this kind of ludic loop of why, 0:24:39.476 --> 0:24:44.796 here's how, here's what occurred, Why, here's how, here's what occurred, 0:24:44.836 --> 0:24:46.836 but why here's how, here's what occurred. 0:24:47.676 --> 0:24:52.156 You can feel her brain almost glitching here. The questions 0:24:52.236 --> 0:24:54.436 never resolve, they just recycle. 0:24:55.196 --> 0:24:58.636 It just feels like a vision cycle of still not 0:24:58.956 --> 0:25:03.636 being able to make sense of it, because it's nonsensical. 0:25:03.676 --> 0:25:07.076 There is no sense there. You know it was. It 0:25:07.116 --> 0:25:10.876 was a senseless act. So trying to find sense and 0:25:10.956 --> 0:25:14.876 reason in something that is unreasonable and senseless is an 0:25:14.956 --> 0:25:18.756 insane act. It's an insane mental process because you're doing 0:25:18.796 --> 0:25:21.836 the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. 0:25:22.476 --> 0:25:25.116 At Least thought back to the time about a year 0:25:25.156 --> 0:25:28.596 earlier when they faced eviction, when the bank was about 0:25:28.596 --> 0:25:32.356 to foreclose on their childhood home. Keith's solution had been 0:25:32.396 --> 0:25:36.396 to rob banks two and one day. At Least recalled 0:25:36.436 --> 0:25:39.716 that at that time she had offered to help her dad. 0:25:40.476 --> 0:25:42.836 She kept replaying that moment in her mind. 0:25:43.796 --> 0:25:46.516 I work a job where I'm making money every week. 0:25:47.476 --> 0:25:49.756 Why aren't you accepting my help from the job that 0:25:49.836 --> 0:25:55.436 I have? With the bills? You should have accepted my help. 0:25:57.236 --> 0:26:00.716 It just feels like he underested my emotional maturity, my intelligence. 0:26:00.756 --> 0:26:04.876 At that age, at Least says that as maddening as 0:26:04.876 --> 0:26:09.236 all this was, she was now in crisis mode. He 0:26:09.316 --> 0:26:12.116 needed to do now was take a lesson from what 0:26:12.236 --> 0:26:17.916 her dad didn't do. After missing a day or two, 0:26:18.276 --> 0:26:21.196 Alisa and Marissa went back to their private Catholic school 0:26:22.116 --> 0:26:24.436 the girls asked to meet with all of their friends 0:26:24.476 --> 0:26:27.436 at once to clear the air in a single moment, 0:26:27.836 --> 0:26:30.956 to explain what had happened, to face it head on. 0:26:31.996 --> 0:26:35.996 So about a dozen girls, dressed in their neatly pressed uniforms, 0:26:36.396 --> 0:26:39.556 gathered at the gazebo on the school's front lawn. 0:26:40.196 --> 0:26:45.236 And we, Marissa and I told everybody what happened in 0:26:45.316 --> 0:26:49.156 our own words, so that it came from us and 0:26:49.196 --> 0:26:51.076 so that our friends knew what was going on. 0:26:51.716 --> 0:26:54.716 Do you remember anything that you told them, Just. 0:26:54.716 --> 0:26:58.516 That our dad was arrested for robbing banks and in prison, 0:27:00.356 --> 0:27:03.676 and that we're going to need a lot of help, 0:27:04.236 --> 0:27:07.476 you know, because that was part of my dad's issue, 0:27:07.516 --> 0:27:11.436 was that he did not for the right amount of help. 0:27:13.076 --> 0:27:16.836 And so the girls began asking for help from their classmates, 0:27:17.036 --> 0:27:20.676 from the school's burser office, from the people at their church, 0:27:21.116 --> 0:27:23.516 from their landlord, who happened to be a friend of 0:27:23.556 --> 0:27:27.796 their dad's, from their orthodontist, because Elise still had braces 0:27:28.116 --> 0:27:31.196 and no way of paying for them. And in the 0:27:31.196 --> 0:27:35.556 coming days and weeks, a list emerged, a list of helpers, 0:27:36.236 --> 0:27:40.036 and there was another list too, a budget. Alise says, 0:27:40.356 --> 0:27:43.276 she lined up donors who gave them about two thousand 0:27:43.316 --> 0:27:46.436