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Speaker 3: Started to do research looking at the FBI website specifically
Speaker 3: and looking at how people got caught and basically learning
Speaker 3: what not to do in order to get away with
Speaker 3: robbing a bank.
Speaker 2: Do you have any last minute doubts before you walked in?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: Absolutely there were thoughts of aborting it, of course, should
Speaker 3: I or shouldn't I?
Speaker 1: Do this?
Speaker 5: Tellers are the ones of the true victims, because other
Speaker 5: ones face to face with somebody, not knowing how desperate
Speaker 5: this individual is and not knowing if this individual, for
Speaker 5: one reason or another, would suddenly become violent and hurt them.
Speaker 2: Throughout two thousand and eight, Keith Giamanco had been on
Speaker 2: a crime spree, robbing banks once. He even did two
Speaker 2: in a single day. That September, he was back in
Speaker 2: his car looking for his next target, somewhere just off
Speaker 2: the highway, preferably a place with a simple layout, clear
Speaker 2: lines of sight so it could be easy in and
Speaker 2: easy out. He eventually spot at a branch of Commerce Bank.
Speaker 2: Next door was a bakery with its own parking lot,
Speaker 2: tucked away, a place he could leave his car well
Speaker 2: out of sight, and just a stone's throw from there
Speaker 2: was an entrance ramp to the highway.
Speaker 3: I parked the car in and out of the way,
Speaker 3: place where it couldn't be seen from the building, and
Speaker 3: I went in and I did the same thing that
Speaker 3: I always did, handed the teller a note.
Speaker 2: Keith exited with nearly thirteen thousand dollars in cash, no
Speaker 2: signs of trouble. Seemed like another success his twelfth robbery,
Speaker 2: so he gets back into his car and exits the
Speaker 2: parking lot.
Speaker 3: When I left the bank and got on the road
Speaker 3: and was sitting at the stoplight waiting to get back
Speaker 3: on to the interstate. I could see the police cars
Speaker 3: coming the other way, and then I looked out of
Speaker 3: my rear view mirror and one of them did a
Speaker 3: you turn and turned around and got immediately behind me.
Speaker 2: Keith tensed. Maybe this meant he was busted, or maybe
Speaker 2: it meant that the police were just fanning out looking
Speaker 2: for a suspect with no positive ID, because in past
Speaker 2: robberies Keith had seen cop cars racing in as he
Speaker 2: slipped away. Keith made his turn onto the ramp leading
Speaker 2: onto the highway, the highway which could still lead him
Speaker 2: back home, to fluorescent, to his daughter's, to safety, to
Speaker 2: his house, where the grass was still waiting to be mowed.
Speaker 2: But the police car was still right behind him, and
Speaker 2: now its lights were flashing. Keith eased his foot onto
Speaker 2: the accelerator, willing his blue Mercury Marquee up the on ramp.
Speaker 2: The engine hum deepened as the car picked up speed
Speaker 2: forty five fifty sixty. The patrol car was still there,
Speaker 2: right on his tail. Then he heard it faint, At
Speaker 2: first the thud of rotor blades overhead a helicopter. Cars
Speaker 2: began to drift to the shoulder. One by one, the
Speaker 2: road was clearing for him. In that widening space, the
Speaker 2: truth settled in. This wasn't a close call anymore.
Speaker 1: It was a chase.
Speaker 2: For a moment, he considered making a run for it,
Speaker 2: just going pedal to the metal. But up ahead, the
Speaker 2: police had blocked the road.
Speaker 3: It was an all out onslaught of police cars, helicopters,
Speaker 3: cars in front of me, cars behind me, blocked in,
Speaker 3: weapons drawn, and I knew that it was over.
Speaker 2: Keith told me that during his crime spree, he didn't
Speaker 2: allow himself to think about a moment of calamity, about
Speaker 2: what would happen if his plan went horribly wrong, as
Speaker 2: if this form of denial was essential to the whole enterprise.
Speaker 2: But suddenly that moment had arrived, and at last he
Speaker 2: found himself peering into the abyss. What happened next would
Speaker 2: define the lives of Keith and his daughters for years
Speaker 2: to come. I'm Jay Calvern and this is Deep Cover
Speaker 2: The Family Man, Episode three, The Confession. Can I ask
Speaker 2: you a question? When you see the flashing lights all
Speaker 2: around you, are you surprised that this moment has finally happened?
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Because I didn't do anything different than I had
Speaker 3: in any of the other robberies. The only difference was
Speaker 3: that a bank lloyee broke bank policy and protocol, and
Speaker 3: against all law enforcement advice, left the building and followed
Speaker 3: me out.
Speaker 2: What Keith's talking about here, what he's still circling, is
Speaker 2: the detail that undid him. The bank manager followed him outside,
Speaker 2: watched him walk to the car, noted the make, the model,
Speaker 2: and crucially the license plate. This wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: In all of his reading, all of his preparation, Keith
Speaker 2: had convinced himself that bank managers were trained not to pursue,
Speaker 2: that it was unsafe, that protocol required them to stay inside,
Speaker 2: locked down, and wait for the police. Keith assumed that's
Speaker 2: how it would go down, and so what he cannot
Speaker 2: quite fathom even to this day, is that the system
Speaker 2: didn't behave the way it was supposed to.
Speaker 3: You would never expect that to happen. I never thought
Speaker 3: about getting caught, but if I did, that would have
Speaker 3: probably been the last thing that I would have thought
Speaker 3: that I would have been caught in that manner.
Speaker 2: Keith says that when it became apparent that there was
Speaker 2: no escape, he pulled over to the side of the
Speaker 2: highway and slowly got out of his car. A police
Speaker 2: officer forced him onto the pavement while another tightened a
Speaker 2: pair of handcuffs around his wrists. Keith says one of
Speaker 2: the officers planted a knee in the middle of his back,
Speaker 2: keeping him down on the ground. Then he turned and
Speaker 2: saw another officer aiming a pistol at his head. I
Speaker 2: wondered if perhaps this was the moment that reality finally
Speaker 2: came crashing down on him. You told me that you
Speaker 2: had not really thought about the worst case scenario happening
Speaker 2: if you're getting caught, because, in your words, you wanted
Speaker 2: to manifest success. So I guess what's it like at
Speaker 2: this moment.
Speaker 3: Well, at that point, at that point, Jake, I couldn't
Speaker 3: figure out how they had to make on my vehicle.
Speaker 3: So I was still thinking, you know what happened here
Speaker 3: because my vehicle was not in sight of the bank itself.
Speaker 2: But why would that matter at this point?
Speaker 3: Well, I think when something goes wrong, you automatically try
Speaker 3: to figure out.
Speaker 1: Why it went wrong.
Speaker 2: I see the post mortem. Yeah, okay, is there a
Speaker 2: moment where real fear grips you about what's gonna happen
Speaker 2: with the kids or does that come later?
Speaker 3: That comes later. At that point, I'm thinking, Okay, I
Speaker 3: tell the truth and explain my circumstances, and anything that
Speaker 3: might be mitigating might be helpful. And this may not
Speaker 3: turn out too bad.
Speaker 1: That's true, thinking.
Speaker 2: That is very optimistic.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, it may not turn out as bad as
Speaker 3: what somebody might think.
Speaker 2: And there it was, even in this moment that I
Speaker 2: had to imagine was rock bottom, the lowest of the low,
Speaker 2: when it seemed like the direnness of the situation could
Speaker 2: no longer be ignored or minimized, there was Keith still
Speaker 2: manifesting success. Was there any feeling of relief.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't feel relieved as much as I felt
Speaker 3: anxiety of what was going to happen next.
Speaker 2: While Keith was on the side of the highway in handcuffs,
Speaker 2: Detective John Bradley was actually nearby driving around.
Speaker 5: My partner and I at the time. You know, we
Speaker 5: would go out during different times and just kind of
Speaker 5: ride the area thinking that it may happen again, because
Speaker 5: it was happened so frequently that day. I think we
Speaker 5: were out already, just traveling around, just being available when
Speaker 5: the call came out.
Speaker 2: Bradley soon arrived at the scene of the arrest. What
Speaker 2: does that moment feel like as a law enforcement officer,
Speaker 2: when you know you've got him.
Speaker 5: It's a good feeling because you know, the officers didn't
Speaker 5: get hurt, the employees didn't get hurt, He didn't get hurt.
Speaker 4: Nobody got hurt.
Speaker 2: Detective Bradley inspected Keith's getaway car, the blue Mercury Marquis.
Speaker 2: The evidence of a hurried costume change lay in plain sight,
Speaker 2: discarded clothing, a razor, and a plastic cup clouded with
Speaker 2: shaving water. Then he turned his attention to Keith himself,
Speaker 2: who was already in the back seat of a squad car.
Speaker 2: Keith wore black dress slacks and a gray sleeveless T shirt.
Speaker 2: The police report mentioned that he still had a dress
Speaker 2: shirt tucked into his waistband, the rest of the shirt
Speaker 2: hanging down around his hips, like he hadn't had time
Speaker 2: to finish pulling it off. Here, at last, was the
Speaker 2: man that Bradley had been chasing for months. Bradley studied him,
Speaker 2: took him in.
Speaker 5: He didn't seem like a real aggressive guy. Once you
Speaker 5: start talking to him, you know, not a guy that
Speaker 5: would be out committing such serious crimes. Cordial, not combative,
Speaker 5: as how I would describe him.
Speaker 2: Detective John Bradley and Keith ended up at the Saint
Speaker 2: Louis County Police Headquarters in Clayton, Missouri, and eventually another
Speaker 2: officer joined them in an interrogation room. Blank walls, table,
Speaker 2: a couple of chairs.
Speaker 4: The date is September eighteenth, two thousand and eight.
Speaker 6: This is Detective John Bradley, GSM three point eight, one
Speaker 6: of the Saint Louis County Police Department Bureau Crimes against Persons.
Speaker 6: This interview is being conducted at seventy nine hundred and
Speaker 6: four side.
Speaker 2: This is a recording from that interrogation room.
Speaker 6: The person being interviewed is Donald, Keith Giamanco Donald or
Speaker 6: you'd like to be referred to as Keith Donald.
Speaker 4: Is okay?
Speaker 6: You understand that this interview is being recorded on audio tape?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
Speaker 6: Before I ask you any questions, your advisor your constitutional rights?
Speaker 4: Yes, okay.
Speaker 6: The time that your advised of your constitutional rights was
Speaker 6: six fifty two PM.
Speaker 7: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Okay? Are you willing to continue with this interview? Yes.
Speaker 2: One of the first things that Detective Bradly asked about
Speaker 2: was the first bank robbery that he'd investigated, the one
Speaker 2: that got him started on this whole wild goose chase
Speaker 2: back in.
Speaker 6: March, Can you, just, in your home words, describe to
Speaker 6: me what occurred that day.
Speaker 8: I was in deep distress about bills and taking care
Speaker 8: of my children, my twin seventeen year old daughters, and
Speaker 8: they're back tuition from last year, and you know, basically
Speaker 8: just putting food on the table and paying the bills.
Speaker 4: So I.
Speaker 7: Made a note out and went in, handed the teller
Speaker 7: of the note and let on foot.
Speaker 9: And do you remember what the note said? I exactually
Speaker 9: work forward? What what do I called it? You know,
Speaker 9: give me all the money in both jars and we'll
Speaker 9: all go home safe.
Speaker 2: Listening to this tape, there was so much that intrigued me.
Speaker 2: First is how completely calm both Bradley and Keith seemed
Speaker 2: to be. Polite, understated. Bradley's vibe is slow and deliberate,
Speaker 2: kind of like a guy approaching a dog he doesn't
Speaker 2: want to spook. In this approach, it seemed to work.
Speaker 2: Keith does not request a lawyer to be present, He
Speaker 2: just talks. Keith explains that after robbing this bank. He
Speaker 2: drives back home.
Speaker 4: Once you got to your residence, what did you do?
Speaker 4: I got rid of the jacket that I.
Speaker 7: Was wearing, and I threw it away, and I basically
Speaker 7: just had dinner with my kids and spent an evening
Speaker 7: at home.
Speaker 4: This is whine.
Speaker 8: We lived in a different residence, the one that I
Speaker 8: lost in foreclosure.
Speaker 4: Okay, what happened in that house? We lost it?
Speaker 2: You might recall at one point Keith robbed two banks
Speaker 2: in one day. He did this to avoid foreclosure. But
Speaker 2: in the end, it turns out Keith lost that house anyway.
Speaker 2: And when this memory resurfaces, something seems to shift within Keith,
Speaker 2: and his calm, casual air evaporates.
Speaker 4: Do you know what you do with the money from
Speaker 4: the bank robbery? They used it for.
Speaker 8: To try to catch up on house payments and other bills. Enough, attorney,
Speaker 8: he's in the electric and counselor's and paying the girls
Speaker 8: school tuition.
Speaker 4: And okay, okay, I know what was wrong.
Speaker 8: I'm very sorry for it, and I'm really sorry for
Speaker 8: anybody that I scared or.
Speaker 4: Thought I might do harm too.
Speaker 8: But you know, as desperate as I was, I thought
Speaker 8: this is a way that I can, you know, do
Speaker 8: this right now without hurting anybody.
Speaker 4: In a physical sense.
Speaker 8: And you know, I don't know whether I was really
Speaker 8: ever of the belief that I would never get caught.
Speaker 8: It was just like almost a day to day desperation thing.
Speaker 2: When I spoke to Keith about his confession and why
Speaker 2: he talked, he told me that he was tired of
Speaker 2: lying and that in the moment he felt an overpowering
Speaker 2: desire to come. At the very end of the recording,
Speaker 2: Bradley throws out what I like to call the hail
Speaker 2: Mary question, like a last shot at getting to the
Speaker 2: bottom of things.
Speaker 6: All right, Well, do you have anything else you want
Speaker 6: to tell us to.
Speaker 4: Have to say?
Speaker 8: I'm very sorry, and I would like to have the
Speaker 8: chance to make restitution and be there for my kids,
Speaker 8: because they're the main thing. And I've always been there
Speaker 8: for my kids, and that's the only reason I would
Speaker 8: ever even think of anything like this.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: He's talking here, of course, about Elise and Marissa, his
Speaker 2: seventeen year old twin daughters. They would soon have so
Speaker 2: much to deal with the revelation that their father was
Speaker 2: the Boony Hat bandit, the chaos that this would create,
Speaker 2: the fact that for the foreseeable future, they were effectively orphaned,
Speaker 2: and on top of all of that, their fathers claim
Speaker 2: that he had robbed these banks for them. On the
Speaker 2: day after Keith Giamanco's arrest, his twin daughters, Elise and Marissa,
Speaker 2: hunkered down in their small house in Florescent, Missouri. A
Speaker 2: whole bunch of reporters and news crews were outside on
Speaker 2: the sidewalk, yelling questions and slipping notes under their front door.
Speaker 2: The girls weren't sure what to say. They themselves had
Speaker 2: so many questions, starting with did dad really do this? Initially, Marissa,
Speaker 2: the more rebellious sister, was convinced that the police had
Speaker 2: made a mistake arrested the wrong guy. But then she
Speaker 2: saw her father's mugshot on TV.
Speaker 10: He's browning in the picture. Like it's kind of an
Speaker 10: intense mugshot actually, because you can just see the self
Speaker 10: disgust and the oh my god, I got caught. And
Speaker 10: I even looked it up online just so I could
Speaker 10: like get a real like stare at it for a minute,
Speaker 10: and like you can just see it in the mugshot.
Speaker 10: So I was like, that is not the look of
Speaker 10: an innocent man.
Speaker 2: It became clear that the man that they knew as
Speaker 2: their father was also a master of disguise who'd hit
Speaker 2: twelve banks, he'd exit, loot in hand, and vanish until
Speaker 2: he magically reappeared at Elisa's orchestra concerts, or in the
Speaker 2: kitchen making dinner, or in his rams gear mowing the
Speaker 2: lawn like nothing had happened. Talk about a poker face.
Speaker 2: For his daughters. It left their head spinning. Here's Elise,
Speaker 2: the striver who dressed in bright colors, loved to make checklists,
Speaker 2: and worked at Banana Republic.
Speaker 11: I didn't trust anyone after that. I felt like I
Speaker 11: was living in some sort of simulation, almost like what
Speaker 11: is actually reality? Is everyone lying to me about who
Speaker 11: they are.
Speaker 2: Elisa's one saving grace was that deep down she always
Speaker 2: knew who she was and who she wasn't.
Speaker 11: I was like, I am not my parents' mistakes. That
Speaker 11: is not me, that is them, you know. I was like,
Speaker 11: I have to recalibrate the way that I'm thinking about
Speaker 11: this because I am never going to get the support
Speaker 11: that I need from my parents right now. There's not
Speaker 11: a Knight in shining armor, nobody coming to save you.
Speaker 2: Elise was a young woman who always had a plan,
Speaker 2: and so right away, instinctively she started writing a list.
Speaker 11: I remember sitting at the desk listening to iron and Wine.
Speaker 11: I was, you know, writing this list out. It included
Speaker 11: call a social worker, figure out food stamps. My car
Speaker 11: always needed maintenance too, so that was always on the list,
Speaker 11: new fuel injector can you do this yourself? Question for?
Speaker 11: And then also a big one was find dad a lawyer.
Speaker 11: I remember from the first day, I was like, we
Speaker 11: need to figure out how he's going to be defended.
Speaker 2: Alise eventually began looking at the dates when the robberies
Speaker 2: occurred and match them up with moments that stuck out
Speaker 2: in her memory. Moments when Dad suddenly seemed to have
Speaker 2: money to pay their tuition at their private school, or
Speaker 2: when he peeled off one hundred dollars bill and left
Speaker 2: a huge tip at the outback steakhouse. And suddenly it
Speaker 2: all started to click.
Speaker 11: It made me angry. I just was angry at the
Speaker 11: just the lying and the the living of a double life,
Speaker 11: because that's what he was doing. He was robbing banks
Speaker 11: and pretending that he was like coming home and living
Speaker 11: a regular life, and those are two separate realities. You know,
Speaker 11: there's the booney hat bandit and there's Keichiamanco.
Speaker 2: One of the hardest parts for a Leaves to wrap
Speaker 2: her head around was just how long this had been
Speaker 2: going on for. Because her dad didn't just rob a
Speaker 2: bank once. He did it over and over for roughly
Speaker 2: a year. That kind of thing takes planning and nerve
Speaker 2: and the willingness to wake up and decide to do
Speaker 2: it all over again. And for a Lise and Marissa,
Speaker 2: there were no obvious answers, only more questions like why
Speaker 2: didn't he ask for help, Why didn't he find a job?
Speaker 2: How had he managed such an elaborate deception, and how
Speaker 2: did he possibly think that he was going to get
Speaker 2: away with this?
Speaker 11: And I ran this stuff over and over in my head.
Speaker 11: It wasn't just once or twice. It's been millions of times.
Speaker 11: I'm stuck in this kind of ludic loop of why,
Speaker 11: here's how, here's what occurred, Why, here's how, here's what occurred,
Speaker 11: but why here's how, here's what occurred.
Speaker 2: You can feel her brain almost glitching here. The questions
Speaker 2: never resolve, they just recycle.
Speaker 11: It just feels like a vision cycle of still not
Speaker 11: being able to make sense of it, because it's nonsensical.
Speaker 11: There is no sense there. You know it was. It
Speaker 11: was a senseless act. So trying to find sense and
Speaker 11: reason in something that is unreasonable and senseless is an
Speaker 11: insane act. It's an insane mental process because you're doing
Speaker 11: the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Speaker 2: At Least thought back to the time about a year
Speaker 2: earlier when they faced eviction, when the bank was about
Speaker 2: to foreclose on their childhood home. Keith's solution had been
Speaker 2: to rob banks two and one day. At Least recalled
Speaker 2: that at that time she had offered to help her dad.
Speaker 2: She kept replaying that moment in her mind.
Speaker 11: I work a job where I'm making money every week.
Speaker 11: Why aren't you accepting my help from the job that
Speaker 11: I have? With the bills? You should have accepted my help.
Speaker 11: It just feels like he underested my emotional maturity, my intelligence.
Speaker 2: At that age, at Least says that as maddening as
Speaker 2: all this was, she was now in crisis mode. He
Speaker 2: needed to do now was take a lesson from what
Speaker 2: her dad didn't do. After missing a day or two,
Speaker 2: Alisa and Marissa went back to their private Catholic school
Speaker 2: the girls asked to meet with all of their friends
Speaker 2: at once to clear the air in a single moment,
Speaker 2: to explain what had happened, to face it head on.
Speaker 2: So about a dozen girls, dressed in their neatly pressed uniforms,
Speaker 2: gathered at the gazebo on the school's front lawn.
Speaker 11: And we, Marissa and I told everybody what happened in
Speaker 11: our own words, so that it came from us and
Speaker 11: so that our friends knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: Do you remember anything that you told them, Just.
Speaker 11: That our dad was arrested for robbing banks and in prison,
Speaker 11: and that we're going to need a lot of help,
Speaker 11: you know, because that was part of my dad's issue,
Speaker 11: was that he did not for the right amount of help.
Speaker 2: And so the girls began asking for help from their classmates,
Speaker 2: from the school's burser office, from the people at their church,
Speaker 2: from their landlord, who happened to be a friend of
Speaker 2: their dad's, from their orthodontist, because Elise still had braces
Speaker 2: and no way of paying for them. And in the
Speaker 2: coming days and weeks, a list emerged, a list of helpers,
Speaker 2: and there was another list too, a budget. Alise says,
Speaker 2: she lined up donors who gave them about two thousand
Speaker 2: dollars a month. And there was also her job at
Speaker 2: Banana Republic. Elise did the math, working full shifts at
Speaker 2: seven twenty five an hour. She pulled in about fourteen
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month. If they stretched every dollar, it might.
Speaker 1: Keep them afloat.
Speaker 2: Marissa and Elise eventually visited their father at the county
Speaker 2: jail where he was being held. They were led into
Speaker 2: a white concrete room with a glass partition, the girls
Speaker 2: on one side, their dad on the other in his
Speaker 2: prison jumpsuit, and two telephones bolted to the wall for
Speaker 2: them to talk through. Here's Marissa.
Speaker 10: I remember sitting down and seeing him and just you know,
Speaker 10: crying and touching the glass, which is like a whole
Speaker 10: other feeling in general, just being separated like that. I
Speaker 10: just remember him saying that he made a bad choice,
Speaker 10: you know, And I had to accept that that he
Speaker 10: made a bad choice, you know, and I was gonna.
Speaker 11: Have to forgive him.
Speaker 10: And I made up my mind very very shortly after
Speaker 10: he got arrested that no matter what happened, what he did,
Speaker 10: I love my dad.
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about Marissa's word choice here. She says
Speaker 2: she knew at some point she would have to forgive
Speaker 2: him because she loved him. The love was the starting point.
Speaker 2: It was foundational, non negotiable. But loving someone that's not
Speaker 2: the same as understanding their thinking or forgiving them for
Speaker 2: what they did. For her part, Alise says she didn't
Speaker 2: have the luxury of asking why her father had done
Speaker 2: this or what the implications were.
Speaker 11: I guess I didn't really press the issue and ask
Speaker 11: him why that first visit, because there was so much
Speaker 11: emotion and so much dismay and grief. It just seems
Speaker 11: like that was going to cause more of a breakdown,
Speaker 11: more of a struggle than we needed. At the time.
Speaker 11: We were already suffering so much, like the why didn't
Speaker 11: even really matter. It's like, we're here now, now we
Speaker 11: have to deal with this.
Speaker 2: I very much hear Elise as the list maker speaking here.
Speaker 2: She's in triage mode, trying to figure out what she
Speaker 2: needs to do, because, even more than she realized, so
Speaker 2: much of this sord deal was now on her shoulders,
Speaker 2: finding a lawyer for their father, paying the bills, avoiding eviction,
Speaker 2: looking after her rebellious sister, who, by the way, would
Speaker 2: soon be in some pretty serious trouble of her own.
Speaker 2: Also on Elisa's checklist in the maybe category was finding
Speaker 2: their mother wherever she was, because seemed like they could
Speaker 2: really use a parent right about now. In so many ways,
Speaker 2: their father's arrest was a seismic moment in their lives,
Speaker 2: and though they didn't know it at the time, they
Speaker 2: were only seeing the first cracks. There were more harder
Speaker 2: truths coming truths involving both their parents and each other.
Speaker 2: Elise's earliest memory from childhood was of her and her
Speaker 2: twin sister working together to escape their crib. It seemed
Speaker 2: almost like a prophecy, like somehow she knew that someday
Speaker 2: they would need to escape, But how do you ever
Speaker 2: escape family when in so many ways it's the thing
Speaker 2: you are? Next time on Deep Cover.
Speaker 10: As soon as Dad was out of the picture, like
Speaker 10: I kind of went buck wild. How was one of
Speaker 10: those people that's like, bring the police, what else do
Speaker 10: I have to lose right now?
Speaker 11: All type of thing. And he showed me the surveillance
Speaker 11: tape and he's like, do you recognize this person? And
Speaker 11: I'm like, oh, that's my mother.
Speaker 2: Deep Cover The Family Man is produced by Isaac Carter
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Speaker 2: Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Sound design by Jake Gorsky.
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Speaker 2: Our show art was designed by Sean Carney, fact checking
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