1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: It is Thursday, May twenty six, Jack Waise Happy Hour, 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: and now a guy who believes got a stands for 3 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Order ten appetizers. Jay Peace, Yeah, it's not wrong. Welcome man, 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: it's Jack Horns Happy Hour. Well, I'm j P. Shadrick. Well, 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: we've got a busy show ahead. O Taser here, Jeff 6 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Lockhaman is here. As always, we'll hear from Doug Peterson 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence to get their reaction to the opening 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: of Order ten appetizers, and we'll go around the National 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Football League as we always do. Plenty of news around 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: the league, some rules changes in terms of roster numbers 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: for the practice squads and things like that coming up. 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Lockhaman with us. Now, what's up, Jeffrey, it's all good. 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: It's all good. Jp. By the way, what's wrong with appetizers? Nothing? 14 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Especially ten of him. Yeah. That's the best way to 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: go about dinner sometimes is you know, you get a 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: sample order about five or six appetizers for a couple 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: of people, get a side salad, you go, you call 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: it tap us and you can charge two more dollars. Yeah, 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: that's the same thing. Yeah, that's a good idea. Gonna do. 20 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: I'm a big appetizer guy, especially when it comes to seafood. Shrimp, cocktail, shrimp, cocktail, 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: fried shrimp, bang bang shrimp. I feel like I'm on 22 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: forest from seared tunor. Yeah. Yeah, so we winned to 23 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: get to organized team activities are here, of course. The 24 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: only session this week open to the media was Monday, 25 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: and Doug Peterson Loggs met the media ahead of practice 26 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: and explains what he wants to see as the offseason 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: program continues. I think just continuing to grow as a 28 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: football team, coming to other um, you know, as we 29 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: build towards training camp. I think that's probably the number 30 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: the number one thing, you know, really is is just 31 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: building that cohesiveness again. The players and coaches are getting 32 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: getting to know each other still, you know, and and um, 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's a that's a big part 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: of these next you know, three and a half, four 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: weeks whatever we got left, so they have it, um yeah, 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: getting to know each other, taking it from the classroom 37 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: onto the field. What do you think of the pace 38 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: of practice and everything the other Well, it was good 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: and it's certainly a different pace than the rookie camp 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: because the rookie camp is much slower. It's more methodical. 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: There's more explanation where when the veterans get out there. 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: And there by the way, there were a few guys 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: that were not in attendance. Remember the O t A 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: s are voluntary, and most of the guys that weren't 45 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: there had good reasons for not being there. Doesn't but 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: the tempo is much higher compared to the rookie minicamp 47 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: because that's what you would expect. I mean, there's guys 48 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: that have been around and been playing football for a 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: longer period of time than just the rookies, and so 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the veterans kind of established the tempo the rookies have 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: to keep up and uh and I really liked the tempo. 52 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: I like the way that the coaching happened in practice. 53 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: There wasn't screaming and yelling. There wasn't a megaphone telling 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: you what period it was and remember to focus when 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: you're not in and it's plus two and this and that. 56 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: It felt serious, relaxed, and a very deep teaching hour 57 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: and a half. And that's the way it should be 58 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And it was good to 59 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: watch some of the guys that we haven't seen in 60 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: a long period of time, and it was good to 61 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: see some of the guys that were hurt last year 62 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: either working in practice or working on the side. It 63 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: was including Travis E. T N who got hurt. Full 64 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: go and that's a good thing. Cut and moving, running, jumping, 65 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: the whole deal. Yeah, and he and he looked good. 66 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean he had he had a drop one time, 67 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: but look, everybody has that. And uh. I think the 68 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: thing that surprised me the most is typically when you 69 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: have O. T. A. S there's the old saying that 70 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: the offense doesn't run or hit come out of the 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: gate as fast as the defense, because the offense is 72 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: about timing and continuity and rhythm, whereas the defense it's 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: about speed, athleticism, aggressiveness, which it's a lot easier to 74 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: get to that speed as the defense compared to the offense. 75 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: But I thought that the offense held its own. I 76 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: thought Trevor looked very sharp. Besides the one pass that 77 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: he ended up throwing right to Divon Hamilton's on a 78 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: kind of a he's trying to dump it off to 79 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. I think it was underneath and it's not 80 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: a very um well thought out throw by Trevor in 81 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: that case because he has thrown back to the middle 82 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: across the body. Not what you want to do. But 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: number fifty two is a large human being. Yes, he 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: is between the five and the two. He is, and 85 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: he did a good job. He caught its great, ran 86 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: with it, ran with it, and the defense had a 87 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: great moment in practice. Yes, so, and glad to see 88 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: that Trevor didn't try to make a touchdown saving tackle 89 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: that stay away with the red jersey, don't don't touch 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback. So yeah, good to see some of those. 91 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: Good to see some of the new faces that are here. 92 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: Obviously the free agent guys, we we got our first 93 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: chance to look at Christian Kirk had a couple of 94 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: catches that, uh seem to have a little something going. 95 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: Do you buy the the whole building of an unfield 96 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: connection now to pay dividends later in training camp in preseason? 97 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely you do. I think. I think the timing, the relationships, 98 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: the communication between quarterback and all of his weapons is 99 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: critical to build at this moment. And there's a lot 100 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: of guys that are getting reps because they're still trying 101 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: to figure out who those guys are gonna be once 102 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: it starts coming down to kick off time for a 103 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: real game. But for the most part, they who those 104 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: guys are gonna be. But it's a it's critically important 105 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: that those guys get the reps now, which is kind 106 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: of surprising. I know we're gonna get to around the 107 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: league later on, but you've got other guys and other 108 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: teams in the league that aren't having everybody in attendance 109 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: like the Jaguars do, which look, the Jaguars had the 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: worst record in football two years in a row. They 111 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: need to get the work together like the Ravens. For example, 112 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is not in the O Tater at the 113 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: O t a s. Tom Brady is doing some and 114 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: not doing others. But he's the goat. He doesn't need 115 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: to do a lot of that stuff. But Trevor Lawrence 116 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: and and his guys they need to get every rep 117 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: possible for two reasons. One, it's a completely new system 118 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: with the new coaching staff, and they need to not 119 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: only to learn how to understand the new system, but 120 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: also to communicate with their coaches and their teammates. I mean, 121 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: that's the biggest reason why. And if you don't take 122 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: advantage of that when you're ball team that hasn't been 123 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: very good, you've got no chance. And so it's good 124 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: to see everybody out there. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on 125 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: Tinte next selling Jaguars dot Com. J P. Shadrick with 126 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Jeff Logabun. Let's hear from Trevor Lawrence, Jaguars quarterback, on 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: the start of the organized team activities. We've got a 128 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: couple different phases. Now we're back into competing against the defense, 129 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: and um, that's a little easier to measure because you can, 130 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, you can put a grade on it, you 131 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: can say it was that successful or not, you know, 132 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: complete and complete all those things. It's a little tougher 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: on air. I think having those few weeks though to 134 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: prepare and really master the system helps And now like today, 135 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we were pretty clean. Obviously, you're gonna 136 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: always have a few a few things here and there 137 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: you want to clean up. But I really like where 138 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: we're at. I feel like we're I don't want to 139 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: say ahead of schedule, but I really feel like we're 140 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: right where we need to be. Um the way that 141 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, Coach Peterson press all those all of our 142 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: our whole staff is installed. The offense, you know, really strategically, 143 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: and um, I really like where we're at and the 144 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: guys are picking it up great. The question to Trevor 145 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: Lawrence here was how do you measure um success? Building? 146 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: Is it day to day? You know, how do you 147 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: as an offense and as yourself? How do you? And 148 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: that was his answer. Well, and if you pulled thirty 149 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: two teams quarterbacks, they would all have a very similar answer. 150 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: We really like where we are. We're doing really well. 151 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Our tempo is great, We're building the camaraderie, we're building 152 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: towards the season. I mean, so everybody has a winning may, right, 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: everybody has a winning journey. We're undefeated and may and 154 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: absolutely so. I mean you would expect some of the 155 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: answers that he has, but but it's good. It's good 156 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: to see the amount when when you talk about the 157 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: brain power of the offensive side of the ball that 158 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: they have there with Press Taylor and Mike McCoy and 159 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: and of course Duff Peterson as the head coach, Jim 160 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: Bob Cooter the passing game coordinator, there's a lot of 161 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: guys on that side of the ball that are gonna 162 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: be able to provide some great insight into the offense 163 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: and into the performance of the offense and into the 164 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: design of the offense. And I think that's that's really 165 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: a strong, really strong thing about this offense and a 166 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,599 Speaker 1: strong thing about Doug Peterson's staff. The offensive side of 167 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: the ball has a lot of really good minds and 168 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:23,359 Speaker 1: a lot of minds JP that have very good experience, 169 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: great experience working with the quarterback in the NFL, in 170 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: the NFL, not at some college school. And that's that's 171 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: great what you gotta have. And the defense has some 172 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: great experience too, Okay, not as much as the offense, 173 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: and that's okay, part of I think sometimes the one 174 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: thing I think that you've got to be careful of 175 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: is that when you have, when you have that many 176 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: minds and that many people that you know, I'm sitting 177 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: here talking about the great virtues that they bring to 178 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: the offense of the offense to staff, you have to 179 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: make sure and I don't want to say be cautious, 180 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: but there needs to be a very specific set of 181 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: marching orders and about job description because you can't have 182 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach, okay, disagreeing with the offensive coordinator because 183 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: he's been a head coach and he's been an offensive 184 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: coordinator before. I mean, there's there's you've got to make 185 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: sure that you know the old saying, you can't have 186 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: too many chefs in the kitchen. Okay, you need to 187 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: have the one guy that's kind of the head of 188 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: the of the kitchen, and then everybody else has certain 189 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: jobs and responsibilities to do. And of course you have 190 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: the the master chef. I thought there was too many 191 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: cooks in the kitchen, however you want to call it 192 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: chef's cooks JP. Okay, the kitchens you go to a 193 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: lot of kits, they're cooks. The kitchens that I go to, 194 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: Chef Gordon White, the whole thing. Yeah. Me on the 195 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: other hand, Yeah, but I I do. I I like 196 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: the the experience that the offense has. I think it's 197 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to watch. I mean, there's there's 198 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: a lot of bright minds on that side of the 199 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: ball now, and if Trevor Lawrence doesn't have the ability 200 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: or cannot find a way to soak in all of that, 201 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: are as much of that knowledge as possible. But I 202 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: believe that Trevor Lawrence is going to be able to 203 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: soak in as much as possible. And the one thing 204 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: I want to see him out of him JP, because 205 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: you know that we only saw the first day and 206 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: there's a long way to go and O T A. S. 207 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: And and also you have the mandatory minicamp coming up 208 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of June. But you want to start 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: to see the leadership of Trevor Lawrence, the ownership of 210 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence in the offense. And and that takes time. 211 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: That's not something that just happens automatically the first day 212 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: that he's out there with his with his new teammates 213 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: and his new coaches. That's something that has to be built. 214 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: The confidence has to be gained. But at some point 215 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: you want to see that to where you see him 216 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: starting to correct guys, starting to demand more of his teammates. 217 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: And when you when you start to see that, I 218 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: think then he starts to say, yeah, Okay, Now now 219 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: you can feel it, you can feel how his ownership 220 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: is making a difference. Hey, imagine this. We're gonna have 221 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: more from Trevor Lawrence coming up. Good Jaguars quarterback and 222 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson Jaguars head coach. We'll hear from g M. 223 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: Trent balky Is as well. A little later, he joined 224 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: John Ozan the Ozone Podcast earlier today, the Jaguars are 225 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: future focused and ready for a new look in two 226 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: join us at the bank this season. Is we get 227 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: ready for a great home schedule here in two Luck 228 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: in your seats. Jaguars dot Com slash tickets were called 229 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: nine O four six three three two thousand. We'll return 230 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: in a moment with little defensive talk, get logs thoughts 231 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: on the front seven is actually and all the new 232 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: faces there for the Jaguars defense is Jaguars Happy Hour 233 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: on the Jaguars Digital Network right here. I'm really excited 234 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: about the future. Obviously we all learned a lot last year, 235 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: but being able to build on what we have now 236 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: and we really create something here, something special. Um. I 237 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like we have a lot of the right people 238 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: and that's that's what you need is good people, and 239 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: we got that. So I'm looking forward to it. That 240 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: was Trevor Lawrence and that is the Hunt tonight, chapter 241 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: three on the Jaguars YouTube channel and Jaguars dot Com, 242 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars Social media. But check it out tonight, and I 243 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: think it's a long one, like twenty minutes or something like, 244 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: it's nice behind the scenes acts. You can't minutes that's 245 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: a long one. Yes, that's a lot. I mean they've 246 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: been working on this for a long time. Max Hawkman, 247 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: our entire broadcast crew and digital crew, and um, it's 248 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: it's um, it's twenty minutes. I mean, here's a here's 249 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: a reality. Because these videos that they put together have 250 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: been fantastic. When you say twenty minutes, it's a long. 251 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: When it doesn't feel long, it'll fly by. But it's 252 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: access you don't get literally anywhere else that cool stuff. 253 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: But put it this way, I watch it. Wow, they honestly, 254 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: I watch it and I enjoy it. I mean it's uh, 255 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: I think it's very entertaining. I think they do a 256 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: great job. Whether the production on, it's awesome. And congratulations 257 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: to all the guys that contributed to do that because 258 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: they do a wonderful job. So check it out tonight 259 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: on the Jaguars YouTube channel about seven o'clock or so. 260 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: And let's move along to defense now logs. A lot 261 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: of new faces on defense around here. Um, you know, 262 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: draft picks, some free agent guys have come in. You know, 263 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: it's it's hard to tell on a lot of things 264 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: right now because there's no contact going on. But what 265 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: stood out the most to you on the defensive side 266 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: the other day, I think, first and foremost some of 267 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: the free agent guys that you signed, the big guys. 268 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: It's hard to tell on them. I mean, because the 269 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: big guys aren't pounding. You don't really kind of learn 270 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: anything about the big guys other than man, he looks 271 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: really big in clothes. But you'll find out more about 272 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: them when the pads go on. But I really like 273 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: the energy of a little con the guy. He practices 274 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: like I watched him on film, which means ton of energy, 275 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: has never ending energy, is always all over the field, 276 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: and that was good to watch. Now. Fotakasi big dude. 277 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, big dude, And I think I think the 278 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: one thing that I want to see more of is 279 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: that the guys that were drafted the last couple of 280 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: years that are that are in that position to have 281 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: an opportunity to contribute, for them to step Bob. You 282 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: go back a couple of years ago, Devon Hamilton's was 283 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: a third round pick. We were talking about this before 284 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: we came off. And when you expend a third round 285 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: pick on the defensive tackle. You want to start to 286 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: see some dividends. And last year de Von Hamilton's I 287 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: thought took a step back. Well, this is a third 288 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: round pick defensive tackle. You want to see him take 289 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: a step up. Okay. Last year's fourth round pick J 290 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: two fell A didn't make much of an impact, was 291 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: hardly active for any games at all last year. Okay, 292 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: these are two guys that play the same position of 293 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: photo Kassi, who you went and signed in free agency 294 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: and gave a bunch of money to in free agency 295 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: because you felt like there maybe those other two guys 296 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: weren't quite where you needed them to be at. If 297 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: those other two guys are playing, well, maybe you don't 298 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: go out and get a photo COSI. So I want 299 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: to see some of these younger defensive tackles, some of 300 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: these guys that they've picked of the last couple of years, 301 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: all of them, not just the defensive tackles, even you know, 302 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: the young safety they got from Syracuse last Cisco, I 303 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: want to see him take a step up. I mean, 304 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: these are the guys that are gonna be the guys 305 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: that either make this team better and help this team 306 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: climb out of the whole that they've been in the 307 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: last two years or they don't. And they've got to 308 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: find a way to get production out of these draft 309 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: picks that they've had in the last couple of years. 310 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just Okay, he's got a 311 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: role because he's playned. I'm talking about being a significant 312 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: contributor to winning winning. That's there's a big difference between 313 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: being a contributor and being a contributor to winning. At 314 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: some point, you just gotta you gotta put Cisco on 315 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: the field. That was part of the thing last year, right, Well, 316 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: I just didn't put him out there, you know. And look, look, 317 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't really quite understand. I mean, he was coming 318 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: back from an injury at Syracuse, and so you understand 319 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: some of the Okay, we're gonna make sure that he 320 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: comes back and he's healthy and he's good, and we 321 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: don't want to put too much on his table. And 322 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: there's always a little bit of a an adjustment period 323 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: for every rookie that comes in, and it's different for 324 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: every rookie. And I think Cisco has tremendous ball skills 325 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: and you've got to find a way to get him 326 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: on the field. No offense to Andrew Winger okay, but 327 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: Andrew Winger can't make plays on the ball like like 328 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: a Cisco. He can. Just look at the numbers, look 329 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: at the numbers of the opportunities that both of these 330 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: guys had in college, and I think those numbers speak 331 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: very very loudly that Cisco makes plays on the ball 332 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: and that wingered. I think the best role for him 333 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: is as a sub safety, which means that he's a 334 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: backup and that he is one of your core for 335 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: special teams players, and and there's nothing wrong with that. 336 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: He can have a very long career and be a 337 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: very very valuable piece to this football team in that role. 338 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: Everybody's got to have a role, and I think that's 339 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: the best role for him. Devin Lloyd, what stands out 340 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: when you first see him running around with the veterans. 341 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: We saw a rookie mini camp, of course, but then 342 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, here he is on the field 343 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: with all the old guys. I thought he blending in 344 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. When I say blended in, which means 345 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: that he didn't stand out as much with the veterans, 346 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: just because there's a little bit of an adjustment period. 347 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: You're trying to keep the pace in the tempo the 348 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 1: veterans who have been doing it for a little bit, 349 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: and also you're trying to understand the tempo the way 350 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to practice and that the way that 351 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: the veterans and the coaches established that. So his athleticism 352 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: definitely still stands out. But when you go from the 353 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: rookie camp to where you just go, wow, that guy 354 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: is really athletic and he really stands out, and you 355 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: put him around a lot more talented athletes and other 356 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: talented linebackers, you're like, Okay, he definitely fits in, but 357 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: he's not standing out yet. That will come with confidence 358 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: and and when he understands his sister him a lot more. 359 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: But he's still in that learning phase. Remember JP, the practice, 360 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: the only practice that we all have seen is the 361 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: very first one, and so that's just such a small 362 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: sample size. And it's also the first sample size, which 363 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 1: typically is something that is a little bit slower for 364 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: the younger players that they're they're still in the mode 365 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: of taking things in and digesting them. Trayvon Walker was 366 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: not in attendance on Monday in the open practice. Reports 367 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: today that he was attending a funeral and is back 368 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: with the team now, So we didn't get a chance 369 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: to see him out there with the veterans on Monday, 370 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: but hopefully next week we will. Um. You know, then 371 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: there's guys who've been around here for a minute, right, 372 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: Um you mentioned some of the middle round draft picks 373 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: on the d line, like Calebon chaise On, he's a 374 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: first round pick, logs like, at some point you gotta 375 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: get something more production out of him at that position. 376 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: And now there's there's all these new faces coming in 377 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: at outside linebacker with Walker and John Chalons still there, 378 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: and uh, a guy like cheeses On is one of 379 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: those guys get something out of caleban Is is going 380 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: to be fighting for a roster spot. I mean that's 381 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 1: I mean, that's plain and simple. I mean that's you're 382 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: You're you're fighting for a job. I'm not. I don't 383 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: think he's in the situation of, Okay, he's fighting for 384 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: for playing time. Okay, because if he's fighting for that, 385 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: who is he gonna take time away from? Is he 386 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: gonna take time away from Josh Allen, No, Trayvon Walker, no, 387 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Um Smoot No. Now, last year he's he kind of 388 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: split time with Smoot Smoot clearly showed last year that 389 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: Smoot deserves to be definitely ahead of Calebn chays On. 390 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to the down Calebancha and he 391 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: just he has to take significant steps up in his 392 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: game for him to earn a role as a regular 393 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: contributor on defense. So act, I mean, that's just the 394 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: way it is, and right now he is. I don't 395 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: want to say he's a low man on the totem pole, 396 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: but he's lower in the pecking order than being a 397 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: regular rotation guy because you've added to that position in 398 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: the draft with a first overall draft pick who has 399 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: a ton of talent. And so I think that that's 400 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: something to what what what he says to be determined, 401 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: he's got to earn it. He's good. He's definitely got it. 402 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: I thought he took a step up last year, but 403 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't a significant step up. We thought early on 404 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: that he was starting to show a significant step, but 405 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: then as the season wore on, it's like, it's kind 406 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: of okay, he's got to be better. He would be 407 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: four and a half million dead cap this year. I mean, 408 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: they're not gonna let him go. He's gonna make the roster. Well, 409 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: when I when I say he's he's trying to find 410 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: a spot, When I say he's trying to find a spot, 411 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: I'd say find a role, not so much a spot. 412 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: That's that's much difference. Sorry, and I should have explained 413 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: that a little bit more. But I mean, he is 414 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna be fighting for a spot. Now 415 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: would you would you cut a guy like that? I 416 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: don't see that first round pick and you find a 417 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: place for it. Well, he's got to earn it. I mean, 418 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: he just don't find a place. He's not gonna be 419 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: given a place. He's still gotta he's still got to 420 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: earn something. But the amount of money that he's gonna 421 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: get is guaranteed anyway, So you're gonna have to pay 422 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: him regardless of whether he's on the roster or not. 423 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: So I think that comes into place that gives him 424 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: an advantage over a guy that even might be slightly 425 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: better but would be a minimum salary guy. You said, Darren, go, Well, 426 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean he's a first round pick. We can't give 427 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: up on him after two years. We've got to give 428 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: him in a year three, right, So you're gonna give 429 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: him every opportunity getting better. But he's got to start 430 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: to show that he's getting better. Yeah, and where do 431 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: you play him? Is he's still a true outsideline? But 432 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a great question. I think that's a 433 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: great question. And I think that he's been an outside guy. 434 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: I mean's outside guy, l s U outside guys, rookie, 435 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: y're outside guy year two. He doesn't strike me as 436 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: stout enough to to go put a hand on the 437 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: ground in this. No, no, no, no, no, no no no, 438 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: I'm thinking out loud here JP. And that Okay. The 439 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: only other position that you would maybe playing at would 440 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: be at an inside linebacking position. But they're stacked there 441 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I don't know. I think that's interesting. 442 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: So I think you sit there and you go, okay, Well, 443 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: first of all, you need to find a way for 444 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: him to get better at the outside linebacking position. Boy, 445 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't it be great if he could cross train where 446 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: he could be one of those guys that could play 447 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: inside and outside. And then also you have to be 448 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: a core for special team or when I say core for, 449 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: you know your four main special teams kickoff, kickoff return, 450 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: punt and punt return. That that's that's your core for 451 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: special teams. Okay. And when you say he needs to 452 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: be a core four special teamer, that means that he's 453 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: on every one of those units. Okay. He has the speed, 454 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: he has the power, he has the agility to play 455 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: on every one of those units. So you would love 456 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: to find or or you would love to see that 457 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: he has the ability to be a core for guy 458 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: and then continues to work at his craft and outside 459 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: linebacker and finds a way that he can contribute. Planting ahead, 460 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: we'll hear from Doug Peterson again on what Trevor Lawrence 461 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: in the offense should look like at the end of 462 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: O t a s plus Trent Balky with John Osier 463 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: on the ozone podcast earlier today. Busy schedule at Daily's 464 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Place Coming up logs Saturday June four, The Jacksonville Taco 465 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: and Margharita Festival, The Doobie Brothers with Michael McDonald June five, 466 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: Two Nights of the Dave Matthews Band June six and seven, 467 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: The Black Crows June eleven. Tickets at Daily's Place dot 468 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: com if they're available, Hey does that? Jacksonville Tacco and 469 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: Margarite Festival, they got mescow and and tequill him for 470 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: Marbly you're thinking about I'm just thinking out loud here, 471 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: you just wondering. It's kind of assualt or no salt, 472 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: no salt. I agree, yeah, no salt. You know, we 473 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: get enough salt in our guy that says it, don't 474 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: donate anymore. It's funny to come. We're back in a moment. 475 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: We'll hear from Doug Peterson as Jaguars Happy Hour on 476 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network, Jaguars fans, you know, for him 477 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: just again staying comfortable and getting more comfortable with the offense. Um. 478 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: You know, I really like his his dialogue with you know, 479 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: with coach McCoy, impressing myself and things that he likes 480 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: and doesn't like him. Um. I just want to see 481 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: that that growth in him here as we you know, 482 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: sort of wind down you know the off season and 483 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Europe with training camp. But you know, he's been he's 484 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: been focus, he's been here, he's he's been attentive, he's 485 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: done a good job on the football field. He's a leader. 486 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: Uh and those are the things that we want to 487 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: continue now, you know as we hit entertaining. That's head 488 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: coach Doug Peterson earlier this week Welcome Back, It's Jaguars 489 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: Happy Hour. J P. Shadrick with Jeff Logman, Joe Fortunado 490 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: print re were along with US sand Glad gr with 491 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: us Son Tintin, XL A M and Jaguars dot Com 492 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: and the jag social media channels Twitter, which Logs is 493 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: using right now. Facebook, he might be using that more 494 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: and YouTube. Do you think I use Facebook more? Yeah, 495 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: you're you're of that um you know um experience of life, Yes, 496 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: experience of life. What are you trying to say? You 497 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: have that age? That's all. That's all I'm saying. That's 498 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. That's it. Is there an age classification? 499 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: So yes? So Twitter is for a certain age, Instagram 500 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: is for an age Facebook Facebook is a different age. Absolutely. 501 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: I think there's a statistic are you Are you the 502 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: metrics guy? I don't know. I'm just I don't know 503 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: what those metrics are, but I'm guessing that. Okay, So 504 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: give me give me your idea, Give me your idea 505 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: of the age categories of these three different social media platforms. 506 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: So I would say, like Snapchat, which I don't have 507 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: anything to do with is super young like teenagers to 508 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, college kind of right. Twitter is probably like 509 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: college too. You know my age and how old is 510 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: that old enough? And then and I think the Facebook 511 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: is like forty two infinity. What about Instagram? It depends 512 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: on if you like taking photos or not. I think 513 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: that's probably younger, trends younger. That's my guests, his view 514 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: of the world. What do you think? So, so what 515 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: would Joe be since, uh, you know, Facebook goes to 516 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: my age. Hey, Joe is a little older than me. 517 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: He's he still uses pony Express popular mechanics, right exactly. 518 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: It comes in the mail, a JP, you know what 519 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: you're getting old now? Okay, so you're starting a transition 520 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: into this Facebook. I'm not getting old category. I'm just old. 521 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: Let you know your Facebook age. That's what it is. Man. 522 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: Life happens, Reality life happens. Reality HiT's your face sometimes. 523 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: So the question there for Doug Peterson was what does 524 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: this offense need to look like at the end of 525 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: O t A s like, what is the end game? 526 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: What do you want it? When? Will you be kind 527 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: of happy? And that was his answer there. And I 528 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: think that there's a there's a there's a lot of 529 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: ways to measure success with an offense, but it's hard 530 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: to measure success when you're when you're not really having 531 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: a true measuring stick to the measuring, you know what 532 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: I mean. And that's why sometimes the off season can 533 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: always be a little you can mislead you sometimes for 534 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: for lack of a better way of describing it. But 535 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: the one thing that you want to see with the 536 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: offense is that the components that you have to start 537 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: gaining a strong understanding of the offense to where and 538 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is that people are more 539 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: functional when they're confident and in the know of what 540 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: they're supposed to do. Athletes can perform better when they're 541 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: not thinking about what they're supposed to do. They're just performing, 542 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: they're just reacting, they're just being an athletic. Quarterbacks can 543 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: perform better when things become second nature. So all of 544 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: the components of the offense work better with great experience 545 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: and great repetition. And that's what you're trying to gain 546 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: in the off season. Now, at the end of an 547 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: all season, are you gonna be able to fix it 548 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: great and say, okay, you know, we're you know, if 549 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: you if you're Doug Peterson. Well, you know, we're hoping 550 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: we will get to level ten at the end end 551 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: the conclusion of the all season, but well we got 552 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: to like level eight and a half. Is there a 553 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: way to measure that? I think that's an interesting question, 554 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: But I don't think there's a way to truly measure 555 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: it because you haven't and the coaches haven't seen these 556 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: people perform. So what's the expectation? So I think in 557 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, their vention venturing into the great unknown, 558 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: and that they're not sure what a lot of these 559 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: players can do because they haven't seen him in person. 560 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: They've watched film, but some of them are very young 561 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: and haven't been put in great positions to have success yet. 562 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: So I think that that's a that's a it's a 563 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: very open ended question that has a lot of different 564 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: ways to answer it. Yeah, you got to see what 565 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: a player's capabilities are before you can really craft a 566 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: scheme or something around him. And here's a here's a 567 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: perfect example. Okay, Travis c t N. Yes, you want 568 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: to you want to get him involved, right, he's the 569 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: first round draft pick last year who was unable to 570 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: play because he ended up having a Liz Frank was. Essentially, 571 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of a midfoot sprain. He had surgery, surgery 572 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: to fix it. Now he's back, he's been cleared to 573 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: do everything. Okay, but what is your expectation for him? Well, 574 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: he's a high first round pick, so your expectation is 575 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: is that he's going to be a significant contributor to offense. 576 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: But the reality is that you haven't seen him yet 577 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: play and at the pro level. Okay, So where where 578 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: do you expect him to be when you haven't seen 579 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: him perform yet? M And I think that that's part 580 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: of what you need to find out this year. Okay. 581 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: You you would love to have this great role for 582 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: Travis Etien. For example, last year with urban Meyer and 583 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: the offensive staff, they had they had this vision for 584 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: Travis e t N of being this X factor that 585 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: he's not just a running back that you hand the 586 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: ball off to. He's he's doing routes. So you got 587 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: Jay Robin the backfield and you have Travis E t 588 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: N split out why so essentially kind of like a 589 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: tight end where you get a mismatch where e t 590 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: N can get him that you can get him in 591 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: space and get him against the linebacker who can't cover 592 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: a guy who runs four four? Well? Is that the 593 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: same vision that that Press Taylor and Doug Peterson and 594 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: Mike McCoy and and Jim Bob Cooder. Is that the 595 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: same vision that they have for Travis E. T n 596 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: and this offense? I don't know, and you can't tell 597 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: from watching one practice so far. This is something I 598 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,959 Speaker 1: think that's going to evolve. But I think it's an 599 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: interesting question. Where do they see him at and where 600 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: is the expectation for him to perform at. Because he's 601 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: a first round pick, we all kind of have these 602 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: high expectations, but the reality is is that we haven't 603 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: seen him perform yet. So can we can we have 604 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: a reasonable expectation for him? I mean, I think we 605 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: all have a certain level, But where is that level 606 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: and what's and what's reasonable? I don't know. You know, 607 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: it seems like at least the one day we saw him, 608 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: there was no issues with the foot. Yeah he looked good. Yeah, look, 609 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look he looked like he was moving. Okay, 610 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: did he look like put it this way. Did we 611 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: look at him and go, boy, that guy is really special? 612 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: Did you get that impression? I mean, you know he's 613 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: he's got something. No no, no, no, j P. Did 614 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: your eyes when you watched him? I mean, considering what 615 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: they're doing out there exactly exactly, And I'm not I'm 616 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: not trying to say that that's a negative. I'm just 617 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: trying to say that at this point, what with what 618 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: they're doing and with I guess you could say how 619 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: much he is opening it up, You're not. You're not 620 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: seeing where you go, Wow, he's not like shaking five 621 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 1: guys and running an eight yards. You're not gonna see 622 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: that until real games happened. So but I mean, at 623 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: some point you're gonna want to see that when it's live. 624 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: But I think it's a It's interesting because you know, 625 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: there's so many different components to saw offence that you 626 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: sit there and you go, Okay, then you have a 627 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: vision or you have this thing imprinted in your mind 628 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: about how guys can contribute. Evan Ingram, Okay, we're number 629 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: seventeen when you When I first saw it, I was like, 630 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: who's that guy wearing seventeen? Got big seventeen, I mean, 631 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: And so I looked at the back of the jersey 632 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: and I saw Ingram Ingram, Who's Ingram. Oh yeah, and 633 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: I was like, he got a haircut. So Evan Ingram 634 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: got a haircut. Got me fulled. Okay, look, and and 635 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: he's not a real big guy. And fact, if he was, 636 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: if he was over working out with the wide receivers, 637 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: and if he stood next to laviisco Chanlt. You go, dude, 638 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: check out the size of those two wide receivers. But 639 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: when you see him over in the tight end group, 640 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: you go, is he with the right group? I mean, 641 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: because he's not a real big guy, but I think 642 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna be very good for a quarterback. Dan Arnold 643 00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: looks good. Dan Arnold looked really good, I thought. So 644 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: here's another thing we mentioned earlier. Defensive line, it's hard 645 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,760 Speaker 1: to tell, you know, they're moving guys around. That's certainly 646 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: the case on the offensive line too. We haven't touched 647 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: on these guys yet. Um, but there's a couple of 648 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: things that you you see Brandon Sheriff for the first 649 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: time in person, impressive. Yeah, well, look, these guys are impressive. 650 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: I think Walker Little's trimmed some weight down a little bit. 651 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: Looks like well, and what we what we saw on Monday, 652 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: because Cam Robinson wasn't there for whatever reason. Uh, doesn't matter. 653 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: But so you know we the expected competition at right 654 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: tackle with Walker Little and Juan Taylor. Well, Walker Little 655 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: was playing left because Cam Robinson was not there at practice, 656 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: and uh, Tyler Shatley ran with the ones at center. 657 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: You know, your draft pick Fortner from Kentucky. You know, 658 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: watched him practice, you know, got an up close personal 659 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: look at him. And then oh, by the way, I'll 660 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: get to the game film that I watched in a minute. Yeah, 661 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: but in practice, there was a lot of guys were 662 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: lined up in position that they're probably not going to 663 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: be lined up at once you start doing stuff for real. 664 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: So uh, but I will tell you if Joan Taylor 665 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: better have a a little bit of a different mentality 666 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: this year, because this competition for right tackle is not 667 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: drummed up. This is real and he is going to 668 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 1: be fighting for a job. When I say a job, 669 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: starting job, okay, not necessarily a roster spot. I don't 670 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: want to kind of want to get you confused again, Jim, 671 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: and I think that that's gonna be interesting to watch. 672 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: Tyler Shatley, I think, is going to be the starting 673 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: center until he's not. And at what point will that be. 674 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I I thought earlier that it might 675 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: take some time. But Fortner is a very smart player. 676 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: Watched the film on him this week. What'd you watch? 677 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: What you watch for? If you're gonna watch? If you 678 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna watch one Kentucky game and you wanted to 679 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: see Fortner go against the best of the best in 680 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: the SEC? Which game would you want? Well, considering this, 681 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: Kentucky is in the SEC East, which means every year 682 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: they have to play the Georgia Bulldogs. Georgia had the 683 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: best defense, so I would want to watch the game. 684 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: That's the one. And I went and watched that game 685 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: because that's the best defensive line. Mean, you're you're you're 686 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: essentially watching Kentucky play against an NFL future NFL caliber 687 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: defensive line. Okay, three of those guys got drafted extremely 688 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: high in the first all of them pick first round picks. 689 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: Five on the defense, three on the defensive line. Right, 690 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: and here's the crazy thing. Okay, here's really what's crazy. 691 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: JP the best one that they got up front in Athens, 692 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: it's still in Athens, were night. That's crazy. How did 693 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: heat fair like against the guys I thought he did 694 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: really well there. Now, there was a couple instances where 695 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 1: Jalen Carter, Okay, threw him a little bit, happens, it 696 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: does happen. But the overall performance that he had in 697 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: that game, I thought put it this way. After I 698 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: watched that game, it changed my thinking about when he 699 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: could become the starter after watching that. He's strong, he's aware, 700 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: he's smart, He's got very good balance, rarely, if ever 701 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: on the ground. He uh plays the game, I think 702 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,800 Speaker 1: with great adaptability. So in other words, when and and 703 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 1: BASSELLI was one of the best guys at this and 704 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: because Tony always understood what the player that he was 705 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: going against was or was not. For example, if he 706 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: was going against a guy that had great power, okay, 707 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: he's not gonna try to finesse the guy. He knew 708 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: that the guy was gonna play with power. It's it's 709 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: understanding your opponent. When you watch Fortner play the game, 710 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: especially against Georgia, you could tell that he understood the assignment. 711 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: He understood the players that he was assigned to block, 712 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: so he knew how to approach them. And I thought 713 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: he did a very good job. And it wasn't perfect 714 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: because Georgia's got some really good players up there. But 715 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 1: I thought it was an excellent performance. And here's the thing. 716 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: I think that was a little bit surprising in that 717 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: game because you're watching Georgia and Kentucky play, here's a 718 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: great opportunity at watching Trayvon Walker and he's on that team. 719 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 1: He had a quiet game in that game. I mean, 720 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: he was okay, but it wasn't one of those games 721 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: where you go, wow, you know that guy, he was 722 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: really good. It was just kind of an okay game. 723 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: But I will I will say Fortner had a had 724 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: an excellent game and it made me and I liked 725 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: the size of him when he blocked for the Georgia Bulldogs, 726 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: which is a player that sometimes which By the way, 727 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: he was the what overall pick for the Philadelphia Eagles 728 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: and what's his name? Ninety nine it was, which went 729 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: to Green Bay and then he had nine nine Jordan 730 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: and okay, and then nine who went to Green Bay 731 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: late in the first round when everybody was thinking they 732 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: would take a wide receiver because they wanted to appease 733 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but they didn't. They took number ninety five 734 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: from the Georgia Bulldogs. The other defensive tackle DeVante Wyatt. Okay, 735 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: Partner did a very good job on both of them. 736 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: But man, when Jordan Davis wants to play sometimes in 737 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: games he can tear everybody up. But he didn't. He 738 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: did not against Fortna Fortner handling. That's good news, very 739 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: because he's gonna be playing. I like that every week. Um, 740 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 1: we'll come back in a moment. Well, I look around 741 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Also here from Jaguars GM Trent Baulky, 742 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: Who is it? With John Osier earlier today on the 743 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: ozone podcasts Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. 744 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: As evaluators, we can't get caught up in in the 745 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: xs and ohs. You know, we're caught up in the 746 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy's and Joe's. If you will, that's nothing. You say 747 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: a lot. You bring a player in and it's apt 748 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: to the coach to using right. Yeah, you know one 749 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: phrase I you know, I take from coach Parcels all 750 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: the time, as you can't coach the team when you're 751 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: a GM or you're an evaluator. It's not your job, 752 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: it's not your role. Let's let the coaches coach and 753 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: find players that fit what they want to do from 754 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, you know and and trust that once 755 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: you give them a player that can do certain things, 756 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: they're gonna ask that that player does those things and 757 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: keep them away from things that he maybe doesn't do well. 758 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: And that's I mean again, it's just the collaborative effort 759 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: that you go through to make sure you're getting the 760 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: right players that fit your your your organization from a 761 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: cultural standpoint and a physical standpoint. That is General Manager 762 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: Trim Bulky on the ozone podcast earlier today, Available now 763 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com. Click the podcast link at the 764 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: top of the page slugs or subscribe on the official 765 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: Jaguars podcast network on iHeart Radio, iTunes, Spotify, er wherever 766 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: you download your pods and leave us some comments and 767 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: a five star rating while you're at it. What did 768 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: that fox start be good? An interesting comment there by 769 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: Trent Balking and one thing that I would I would 770 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: uh because he talked about how when you when you 771 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: give a coach a player, you want to make sure 772 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: that he's doing the things that he does best, which 773 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: is true. But the one thing that I would add 774 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: to that and at sometimes what happens in the process 775 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: of working with a new player. There's a discovery part 776 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: of it. When I say there's a discovery part of it, 777 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: you may learn something about the player that you didn't 778 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: know from working firsthand with him. You may discover that 779 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: he also has a skill set that might be good 780 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: at doing some other things that might be doing, might 781 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: be doing things on top of what you evaluate and hey, 782 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: look he really does X. Well, Look he also might 783 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: do X and Y and then F really well. So 784 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: you could expand or even you would understand that maybe 785 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: you thought he does X very well and what you 786 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: envisioned him doing for you, well, then you get him 787 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: and you say, well he can do X, but he 788 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 1: does why better? I mean, sometimes there's things that you 789 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: don't know about a prospect that you learn while working 790 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: with him. And so I would add that to Trent Balking. 791 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: That's part of what the coaching staff role is because 792 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: and when he says it has to be a what 793 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: did he say? That was the term collaborate of effort 794 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 1: Very true because it's not just about Okay, here's the 795 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: player and he has to do this. The coaches also 796 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: have to be able to look at the player and say, look, 797 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: we really like what he does and what you kind 798 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: of envisioned, but we also like him in this role. 799 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,480 Speaker 1: It's up to the coaches to end up making that decision. 800 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: Let's take our weekly look. If you're watching on Jaguars 801 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: dot Com or Jacks social media outside of t I 802 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: a a bank field at the Football Performance Center construction process. 803 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: There's some walls going up, they're moving some more dirt around. 804 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 1: They're digging a couple of big holes in the ground 805 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: for apparently pools in the one part of the center 806 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: and uh, we're on track, man. There we go um 807 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: training camp, they'll be ready to roll. That's ah, that's 808 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: a lot of work, a lot of work. And I 809 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: can tell you this, they're working incredibly hard JP. I 810 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: don't know if they're I mean they work from early 811 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: in the morning until well into the even name weekends. 812 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: There they've been going and there's a lot of people 813 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: putting a lot of hours in to make that happen. 814 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: It's looking good looking forward to the final product as well, 815 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: and not this coming training camp, but the training camp 816 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: after and renderings are are really neat. It's gonna be 817 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: one of the best in the league. And there's uh, 818 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,879 Speaker 1: there's some great ones in the league. I remember years 819 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,840 Speaker 1: ago when when I went to the Atlanta Falcons facility 820 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: and the Atlanta Falcons would I mean, they were on 821 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,279 Speaker 1: the cutting edge. They had this new expanse of facility 822 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: that when you looked out, it looked out on the 823 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: giant expanse of fields, and then you had all of 824 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,920 Speaker 1: these apartments wrapped around the field down at the bottom, Like, 825 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: what in the world is all that. Well, that's where 826 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: they all stayed for training camp. They had housing for 827 00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,240 Speaker 1: players for staff and uh, I was like, wow, that's different. 828 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: And then we had the opportunity not long ago to 829 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: see what the Minnesota Vikings did. Wow, that's impressive. This 830 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,799 Speaker 1: will be the arms race has entered the NFL. That's right, 831 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 1: and the Jags are in it now, which is a 832 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: good thing. Let's go around the NFL quickly. Some big 833 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: nuggets from around the league from the Associated Press. The 834 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,440 Speaker 1: NFL said Wednesday it will appeal a ruling denying a 835 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,640 Speaker 1: request to move John Gruden's lawsuit against the league from 836 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: a public courtroom into a closed door arbitration so it 837 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,320 Speaker 1: stays in the public court. Gruden's lawsuit accuses of the 838 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: NFL of leaking his emails to force him to resign 839 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,320 Speaker 1: last October. So there you go. Yeah, the league is 840 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: not happy about that decision, I can. I can assure 841 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: you of that. They were. We're hoping that it would 842 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: be moved behind closed doors. Colin Kaepernick gotta work out 843 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: with the Las Vegas Raiders yesterday, no where yet on 844 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,600 Speaker 1: out when he hasn't played in the NFL and over 845 00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: five years. He had a free agent visit with the 846 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: Seahawks and may have seventeen through in front of some 847 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: NFL scouts at halftime of the Michigan spring game this 848 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: past April. Of course, Jim Harbaugh is there, last played 849 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, that's gonna be an interesting situation to watch. 850 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 1: Could uh could a team? I mean, if I were 851 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,879 Speaker 1: to pick the perfect place for Kaepernick with his skill set, 852 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: because he's I view him as a running quarterback. I mean, 853 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't a great fit be Baltimore behind Lamar Jackson? I mean, 854 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't the scheme fit him perfectly? If he were to 855 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: have he can still run like I mean, if if 856 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: he could do the same things that he once did, 857 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: Can he still run like that? I don't know, I 858 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: don't know. Five years out, it's a long time some 859 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: leagal rule changes. Players designated for a turn from the 860 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: reserve injured list are now four games, not three to 861 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: come back on the on the regular roster. It was 862 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,879 Speaker 1: the number of changed to you. You're allowed I think 863 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: eight eight players that you can bring back from me 864 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: who to reserve. Practice squads are now sixteen players, up 865 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 1: from fourteen. You can elevate individual players from the squad 866 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: to the game day roster a maximum of three times 867 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: per season now rather than two. Yeah, and and and 868 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,799 Speaker 1: that's smart. You should be able to do that. I mean, 869 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: if you've got them on practice squad, why would you 870 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: not have the ability to utilize them for for competitions. 871 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it just makes no sense. And here's the 872 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: other reality the league. The original design of the expanded 873 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: practice squads was was a reaction to COVID. COVID. Okay, 874 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: well now that I want to say they are beyond COVID, 875 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: but they're still dealing with some of the the implication 876 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: ramifications of COVID. It's still there. But here's the reality. 877 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: There's two other leagues under spring. The league wants to 878 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: make sure that they keep more roster spots open for players. 879 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 1: I'll do it for our program today. Brent Reaber, Joe Fortunado, 880 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: that's Jeff Lagoman. I'm JP Shadrick. Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend. 881 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time as Jaguars Happy Hour on 882 00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: the Jaguars Digital Network st