Speaker 1: No one has all the answers, but when we ask
Speaker 1: the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths,
Speaker 1: closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist
Speaker 1: Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come
Speaker 1: together to challenge the status quo and our own ways
Speaker 1: of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not?
Speaker 2: And who says?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time
Speaker 1: to question everything.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm coming to you from New York. I have
Speaker 1: been here so much this summer. I've been here like
Speaker 1: five times and I'm coming back again.
Speaker 2: But I've been having so much fun on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can relate to this, but
Speaker 1: I grew up in Chicago and so you could just
Speaker 1: like walk to everything, and it's such a fun city.
Speaker 2: And when you're in LA.
Speaker 1: I love my life in La, but it's not really
Speaker 1: a city, Like the whole thing feels like a big suburb.
Speaker 1: And so being on the East Coast and being able
Speaker 1: to run around and go to a restaurant and meet
Speaker 1: a friend for a drink and then you know, go out,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, I feel so connected here.
Speaker 1: I think that's the word feel more connection. Also, it's
Speaker 1: like the New York summer right between the Knicks and
Speaker 1: FIFA and all of it. Well, anyways, I want to
Speaker 1: get to it because today is such a good episode.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen the video going around Instagram that
Speaker 1: says if you lost all of your memory and had
Speaker 1: to depend on your friends to tell you who you are,
Speaker 1: which of your friends would you trust to tell you
Speaker 1: about yourself?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 2: What a question?
Speaker 1: And I think what it's really saying is who sees
Speaker 1: you the way you see you the most deeply holy right,
Speaker 1: Because it's not really asking who knows you, knowing is
Speaker 1: your birthday or your coffee order or the stories you've
Speaker 1: told a hundred times. But it's asking who sees you,
Speaker 1: Who sees you the way you hope you're seen, Who
Speaker 1: understands the person you are underneath the accomplishments and the
Speaker 1: disappointments and the performance and the person that even you
Speaker 1: lose sight of. Sometimes I think it's such a beautiful question,
Speaker 1: and it really reminded me of something I read about
Speaker 1: years ago in psychology called the self expansion theory, and
Speaker 1: the idea is that the people closest to us don't
Speaker 1: just influence us, they actually become part of us. We
Speaker 1: borrow each other's courage, and we inherit each other's perspective.
Speaker 2: We become more ourselves because.
Speaker 1: Of who we have loved, and I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons girlfriends are so special, right, because they
Speaker 1: are people who make you more yourself. There's this moment
Speaker 1: in the show and just like that. I know those
Speaker 1: a very controversial show, but I love any Sex in
Speaker 1: the City anything. So in the last season, there's this
Speaker 1: scene I think about all the time, and Carrie is
Speaker 1: explaining a man that she's dating, and she says, he
Speaker 1: sees me the way Charlotte and Miranda see me, and
Speaker 1: it's the first time I've ever experienced that. I've always
Speaker 1: thought that was one of the most moving lines in
Speaker 1: the whole Sex in the City universe, because Carrie is saying, Wow,
Speaker 1: I finally met someone who sees me the way people
Speaker 1: who know me best, the people who see.
Speaker 2: My inside see me.
Speaker 1: And I just think that's what our guests today, Savannah
Speaker 1: James and April McDaniel have built. Savannah James is the
Speaker 1: founder of Refrain Beauty. It's a science back skincare brand.
Speaker 1: She's also the creator of Women of Our Future, a
Speaker 1: mentorship program supporting young women in Akron, Ohio. She's also
Speaker 1: the co founder of Let It Break, a community designed
Speaker 1: to help women grow through honest conversation and personal development.
Speaker 1: She's also married to Lebron James, and together they've raised
Speaker 1: three children. For more than twenty years, the world has
Speaker 1: watched Savanna James James.
Speaker 2: You know, she's known for being private.
Speaker 4: I've heard that I'm standoffish. I'm not stand offish at all.
Speaker 4: I'm very friendly. And I think another misconception I would
Speaker 4: say is that I don't have anything to say. I
Speaker 4: have lots to say. I just need a minute to
Speaker 4: process it.
Speaker 1: Savannah knows how the world sees her, but the moment
Speaker 1: that changed how she saw herself had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with fame.
Speaker 2: It happened because of something her daughter said.
Speaker 1: I was reading that she said to you, Zuri said
Speaker 1: to you that she wanted to be just.
Speaker 3: Like you, and it scared you.
Speaker 4: It was the most terrifying thing that I've ever heard,
Speaker 4: the most terrifying thing, because I'm like, well, what is
Speaker 4: it that you see in me?
Speaker 3: Because I didn't see it in myself.
Speaker 1: April McDaniel is the founder and CEO of Crown and Conquer,
Speaker 1: a creative agency that's partnered with brands like Adidas, Google, Spotify,
Speaker 1: and Lackma to produce culture shaping campaigns and experiences. She's
Speaker 1: a mother, a widow, and, alongside Savannah, the co founder
Speaker 1: of Let It Break. She's also someone who manages to
Speaker 1: fit three days into one.
Speaker 3: I get up at four o'clock in the morning. By
Speaker 3: the time I came here, I've had nine conference calls
Speaker 3: already today. I'm a machine.
Speaker 1: And together Savannah and April co host the podcast Everybody's Crazy, which,
Speaker 1: according to both of them, everybody is, including the people
Speaker 1: at Chanel in Paris. That story is so wild you
Speaker 1: have to stick around to the end just to hear that.
Speaker 1: But at one point during our interview, April talks about
Speaker 1: friend soulmates, and I love that phrase, not because I
Speaker 1: think it means finding someone who's exactly like you.
Speaker 2: I think it means finding a friend who's for you.
Speaker 1: Someone who sees you clearly enough that you don't have
Speaker 1: to perform, someone who notices your blind spots, who reminds
Speaker 1: you who you are and sometimes believes in you. Before
Speaker 1: you're able to believe in yourself. So the question I
Speaker 1: want us to think about today while we're listening or
Speaker 1: if you're watching on YouTube, is what makes a friend? So?
Speaker 1: And if your memory was wiped, which of your friends
Speaker 1: would you trust to tell you about yourself? I'd actually
Speaker 1: really love to know your answer, if you're open to it,
Speaker 1: DM me or email me who you would want to
Speaker 1: remind you of who you are. It's time to question
Speaker 1: everything with Savannah James and April McDaniel. Savannah and April,
Speaker 1: you guys have been friends for years, but before there
Speaker 1: was like a brand or a business, it was just
Speaker 1: you two. How did you know this was going to
Speaker 1: be a real bond, like something more than just an acquaintance.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we did. No, I don't think
Speaker 3: it just oftened really Yeah, So I believe in friend soulmates.
Speaker 3: I definitely do. I have two. And I just like
Speaker 3: I feel like you know, when you found your tribe,
Speaker 3: So I don't feel like it's as intentional as people
Speaker 3: think it is. Like I think a lot with us
Speaker 3: is just happenstance, like a ease. It just happened. Ease
Speaker 3: these is a good word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I interviewed a matchmaker one time, and she said
Speaker 1: the one word that couples use when like she knows,
Speaker 1: it's it's right.
Speaker 3: It was easy. Yeah. I believe that so heartily.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you two went from acquaintances to texting a
Speaker 1: million times a day apparently, Yeah, what did you think
Speaker 1: of each other before you really knew the other?
Speaker 4: Ooh? To be honest, I knew April through her working, yes,
Speaker 4: so I barely saw her. Like when I saw her,
Speaker 4: it was like parent parent like it was very yeah,
Speaker 4: like she was moving around, But I always thought when
Speaker 4: I was a part of the party or the thing
Speaker 4: that she was doing, she was very nurturing, making sure
Speaker 4: I was Okay, do you need anything?
Speaker 3: Are you good?
Speaker 4: You come over here, you sit here. So she was
Speaker 4: definitely like taking care of me in a way. So
Speaker 4: I just thought that she was really like a really
Speaker 4: nice Oh she's a really nice I like her.
Speaker 3: Did that hold up? Is she still nurturing and nice? Yes?
Speaker 3: Very much.
Speaker 4: So it comes sometimes with tough love, but definitely still
Speaker 4: nice and nurturing.
Speaker 3: I feel like for me with Savannah, it was I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, this is not really her. Could she
Speaker 3: be in a place like and you can tell she
Speaker 3: got something to say. I'm like, I want to know,
Speaker 3: like what you got to say, because so do I.
Speaker 3: But I'm working, so I feel like it was really organic,
Speaker 3: But I was. I was more curious because I feel
Speaker 3: like Savannah, a lot of who she is is what
Speaker 3: people perceive. Sure, but it is so far off than
Speaker 3: who she really is. And I think in being alongside
Speaker 3: somebody like she is every day, I think it has
Speaker 3: to be in a certain way. And I think I
Speaker 3: was more curious of like getting to know her, so
Speaker 3: I made an effort. I was like, I'm curious about
Speaker 3: this person, and I'm not really that curious. I really
Speaker 3: could care less about most things. I'm like, I never
Speaker 3: need to see them again. But I was like curious,
Speaker 3: and once my curiosity peaked, I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get to know her. And once she opened up,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, this is my soul thing,
Speaker 3: like because we have a lot of similarities but a
Speaker 3: lot of differences. Yeah, and our perception, our perception is close,
Speaker 3: but it's not the same.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'm curious about that. So who's the better Texter.
Speaker 3: April? Okay, who's let me take that back. I'm not
Speaker 3: the better texter, she's the more frequent text I'm the
Speaker 3: more frequent test texter. But I am very direct. So
Speaker 3: anybody that knows me says, I text like I'm yelling.
Speaker 1: She taking all cash.
Speaker 4: She texts bullet points. She doesn't text a full thought. No,
Speaker 4: it's giving ready a five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where you at?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You close? Like it's very like it's I'm not chit
Speaker 3: chatting on texts.
Speaker 1: Are you a Capricorn?
Speaker 3: No, I'm a tours Oh but how's that in dating?
Speaker 1: Like when you text men are they like.
Speaker 3: Where's their girl? So confused? They're confused, and then.
Speaker 4: She's like what should I say?
Speaker 3: And then I'd be like, you know what, forget it,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not pressed. So then I'm just like I
Speaker 3: think that that is a challenge because trying to translate
Speaker 3: my texting is like decoding the Da Vinci code.
Speaker 4: But when you know, you know, like, okay, I got it,
Speaker 4: got it. You gotta know the April you gotta know
Speaker 4: the April cold da Vinci coat. Yes, it's like my code,
Speaker 4: but I'm not warm. I know, like, good morning, how
Speaker 4: are you? I'm like, it's very direct.
Speaker 3: There's no there's no salutation.
Speaker 1: No oh there's no hello, no no no, no, no
Speaker 1: no oh.
Speaker 4: And it used to get on my nerves, like because
Speaker 4: she'll there'll be no salutation, but then it's are you alive?
Speaker 3: Can I get a hey? How you doing? Are you alone?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: But now I know it's she's busy even about one
Speaker 4: hundred a minute, So yeah, she's on CEO.
Speaker 3: Am, I'm texting you. That means I care period. Good point,
Speaker 3: because I don't believe in people on read like.
Speaker 1: That was my next question is who leaves you on red?
Speaker 3: She leaves me on red every single time. I fucking
Speaker 3: hate it.
Speaker 1: She's gone a lot going on. In her defense, she likes.
Speaker 3: To rest her soul. I'm like, I used to say
Speaker 3: to her, I wish you had a house phone, because
Speaker 3: I would call all the house phone and then it
Speaker 3: would be un blood so good thing. That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like being an old lady who has a housephone anymore?
Speaker 3: I would like but I would say things like I
Speaker 3: wish you had a househoond and I'll call her sister.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where is Savannah. They're like, oh, she's here
Speaker 3: at the house right here.
Speaker 4: I'm like yeah, But it's not to be taken personal,
Speaker 4: like I tell all my friends like, I love you
Speaker 4: so much, but I'm probably not going to respond as
Speaker 4: soon as you text me, and I'm probably gonna forget
Speaker 4: after that. So I'm really bad with texting. I tell
Speaker 4: people all the time, if you want to me, call
Speaker 4: me FaceTime me. I'm much better with that. Yeah cool.
Speaker 1: I Actually I was at some sort of skincare event
Speaker 1: a few years ago and you guys were speaking.
Speaker 3: And you said you hate email all hats and so
Speaker 3: you're right now. I love email? Really? What my dream
Speaker 3: to answer seven hundred emails a day at least? See,
Speaker 3: I'm a Savannah and it trains me. I'm giving Okay,
Speaker 3: how is anybody making money over here? Completely composed? Yeautiful?
Speaker 3: That part? I'm like, how are you making money with
Speaker 3: no email?
Speaker 1: What do they call it?
Speaker 3: Mailbox? Money? Listen? Whatever it is. I'm chicken.
Speaker 1: So who's the bad influence? I can't even guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Savannah me, I'm the orchestrator, though, So who was
Speaker 3: the worst?
Speaker 4: I just got the idea she's gonna make it happens.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what are we doing? Okay, here we go
Speaker 3: where we need to be. Boom boom boom. It's arranged.
Speaker 4: We're there, Yeah, but I just think that I'm the
Speaker 4: one that's more like, let's just do it.
Speaker 3: And she's like are you sure. I'm like, yeah's and
Speaker 3: then to question it after are you sure? And then
Speaker 3: we'll be there and how do we get here? Like okay,
Speaker 3: we go? So I feel like she's more funny at
Speaker 3: Jeer in her approach. But I love edge, so like
Speaker 3: I see that yes, yeah, yeah, Like I like love it.
Speaker 3: I like I'm like, oh, yes, let's do it. We're
Speaker 3: not going too far. We definitely ride the brim. Like
Speaker 3: sometimes people be like, y'all was ware' there, Like, but
Speaker 3: we're hiding and I got seventy security, theny think Barack
Speaker 3: Obama's in there. But I'm doing it. And you're not
Speaker 3: going to die. That's the we're not going to die.
Speaker 3: Well you're a survivor, yes exactly, we know, so we
Speaker 3: won't die, but we're going to experience it and we'll
Speaker 3: do it for thirty minutes and be like all right,
Speaker 3: time to go, just get a little taste. Are you
Speaker 3: both good at keeping the secret of what happened in
Speaker 3: the story or does anybody else? Yeah? Typically no secret
Speaker 3: really no no, because the people won't say they solos,
Speaker 3: and we was like we did, and we were like,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I don't think sure is
Speaker 3: a secret. Soone's said to me the other day, like,
Speaker 3: you're very mysterious, and I don't think that that is intentional.
Speaker 3: But I do move very intentionally, So I don't move
Speaker 3: intentionally for you not to see me, but I move
Speaker 3: intentionally in case something goes down. So I like kind
Speaker 3: of lead with that. So you probably not gonna see
Speaker 3: me because you're gonna see somebody else and you be like,
Speaker 3: what's that them? I'm not really sure, So it's not
Speaker 3: that I mean to be mysterious, but I also don't
Speaker 3: think it's for everybody. Yeah, and I think that that
Speaker 3: is part of the world, Like we do stuff but
Speaker 3: we never post it. We're doing everything that everybody else
Speaker 3: is doing, but we don't post it.
Speaker 1: And so okay, I have a question about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you not post because you look at Instagram as
Speaker 1: like a workplace or do you not post because you
Speaker 1: it's like evil eye jealousy, like why do you not post?
Speaker 4: I don't post because I'm living in a moment, like
Speaker 4: I don't even think about posting something like for me
Speaker 4: social media, if I'm posting something, it's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do this, or oh that's a pretty picture. I
Speaker 4: want somebody else to see it. Or I'm just randomly
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna record this video with my daughter. We're
Speaker 4: gonna post it. It's never like, oh, I'm going here,
Speaker 4: I got to make sure I put that content out.
Speaker 4: Like I'm just if I'm somewhere and I'm having a
Speaker 4: good time, I'm having a good time. I'm not worried
Speaker 4: about posting it or making sure people know.
Speaker 1: That's so I did think have you been able to
Speaker 1: share that with your kids because they grew up in
Speaker 1: like a whole different generation I have.
Speaker 4: And I think just by seeing they do the same,
Speaker 4: neither one of my kids or the older boys, they
Speaker 4: do not care about social or posting or letting people
Speaker 4: know anything. So my daughter is more in the TikTok era,
Speaker 4: so she likes to do the trendy dances and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. But no, I think it it just comes
Speaker 4: from seeing, Yeah, they just don't have interest.
Speaker 3: And I think posting for me feels one like for what,
Speaker 3: who are these people? That's what I think to myself,
Speaker 3: like and who cares like and I it's funny. A
Speaker 3: few years ago I started April's office. But people will
Speaker 3: be like, I DM you. I'm like, I don't run
Speaker 3: that page. I never go in the dms ever, Like
Speaker 3: it gives me anxiety. I don't want to pick anyone up.
Speaker 3: I have my own little page. I post the most weird,
Speaker 3: funny things that I think are hilarious and no one
Speaker 3: will get and I don't care, Like I think a
Speaker 3: lot of the world we live in people are doing
Speaker 3: things for visibility, for money, for the people, and I
Speaker 3: just feel like, for what, because everybody is actually crazy,
Speaker 3: Like I actually do believe that, So like, who are
Speaker 3: you to judge me on what I'm doing? Because whatever
Speaker 3: you're doing not on Instagram, it's probably nuts. But you
Speaker 3: know how refreshing that is.
Speaker 1: Like I interview so many people that have public personas,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of people you wouldn't expect behind
Speaker 1: the scenes are obsessed with curating.
Speaker 4: Yes, what everybody, But that's why it looks fake, and
Speaker 4: that's why people are not authentic. I look cute right now,
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the time, I look like a homeless person.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna say you right now there's nothing to post.
Speaker 1: I feel like you are like you're homeless.
Speaker 3: Actually good, I'm what's home? Really, it's definitely respect. I'd
Speaker 3: be like what I'm like, you not wear them?
Speaker 4: I feel great in this bondet in this world it
Speaker 4: needs pants.
Speaker 3: I love this for me.
Speaker 1: I respect that it's a Midwest thing too.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what it is. I les say, see, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna wear a bonnet. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 3: I like to be a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's one step too far.
Speaker 3: Yes, But that's the difference in us, like I think,
Speaker 3: but we both are authentically ourselves. And I think that
Speaker 3: that is the challenge for me with the world in
Speaker 3: a lot of ways is people feel like they can't
Speaker 3: be themselves. They have to be what you want to see.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't care what you want to see. Amazing,
Speaker 3: this is this is who we are and this is
Speaker 3: how we feel. And that's why we haven't gone on
Speaker 3: a lot of podcasts and had a lot of conversations
Speaker 3: because some things don't feel organic to us. You know,
Speaker 3: like when you think about a podcast, every was like,
Speaker 3: you need to scale the show, you need to do this,
Speaker 3: you need to do that, and then we go on
Speaker 3: and wet all these lists and we're like, oh, like
Speaker 3: could we mesh with this person, could we have a
Speaker 3: real conversation, could we be ourselves? Or does this feel
Speaker 3: like performative? And I think, wow, I'm so honored now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I feel like it's like, really for us, is
Speaker 3: where we're going to feel comfortable. That's our first judge
Speaker 3: of like can you really handle it? Because we were
Speaker 3: with the shit and we're fun and we're professional and
Speaker 3: it doesn't fit in a box like people wanted to
Speaker 3: and people wanted to look a certain way and were
Speaker 3: like we don't care, like we're just happy to be
Speaker 3: here and whatever it is. And so I think that
Speaker 3: that is the uniqueness of us and the show of
Speaker 3: everybody's crazy. It's like we do feel like everybody has
Speaker 3: a little bit of crazy. So like, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, why hide that?
Speaker 1: What was the first moment that that phrase clicks for
Speaker 1: you both? Like when you were like everybody.
Speaker 3: That phrase four million times a year, Like literally I
Speaker 3: say it a lot and we both think it.
Speaker 4: I think it would always come from us, So we
Speaker 4: would have these like download conversations anytime we don't see
Speaker 4: each other it's like she got notes to the stuff
Speaker 4: that she needed to tell and I don't talk to
Speaker 4: her to catch up. And once we're done with all
Speaker 4: the things that we're talking about, it's given.
Speaker 3: Yo, everybody is crazy. The news saying is are you okay? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the new one. Are you okay? I was like,
Speaker 3: they're not okay, it's not okay. So I think it's
Speaker 3: gone from crazy to like are you okay? Because I'm like,
Speaker 3: these we are not okay. That's the follow up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I feel like it just was really natural. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you started the show, what was your
Speaker 1: answer to the idea of like, what crazy are you
Speaker 1: okay with? Because I know that's what Yes started out with.
Speaker 1: Is there a crazy you're okay with?
Speaker 3: Yeah? A lot of things. I am crazy. I am
Speaker 3: to answer seven hundred emails a day. It's not normal.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. It's not normal. I get up at four
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. By the time I came here,
Speaker 3: I've had nine conference calls already today.
Speaker 1: You also look like you do CrossFit or something amazing.
Speaker 3: Don't happy this morning? And a team like have talked
Speaker 3: to my kids. I'm a machine, So like I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm a little abnormal, but I feel like embodying
Speaker 3: your the way you can be different instead of trying
Speaker 3: to be like everybody else doesn't make you like not
Speaker 3: fit in. It just makes you crazy cool. I love that.
Speaker 3: So I feel like that is really who we are
Speaker 3: And how about you're crazy?
Speaker 4: No, I just feel like a lot of people, like
Speaker 4: we were talking about, with social media, you try to
Speaker 4: curate things and button them up like everything is perfect,
Speaker 4: And I think the platform for me is just given
Speaker 4: a sense of like it's okay to not have that,
Speaker 4: Like it's okay for things to be a little rough
Speaker 4: around edges and for you to not have all the answers.
Speaker 4: So that's how I look at it, like just from
Speaker 4: an overall perspective of everybody has a little bit of
Speaker 4: something that they're dealing with, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Really, I think that's really powerful. I had sort of
Speaker 1: have this armchair theory that like anybody doing something creative
Speaker 1: is doing it to like heal a part of them.
Speaker 1: Were you kind of saying that to yourself?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, me being in front of this microphone, in front
Speaker 4: of a camera, talking to you, talking to you know,
Speaker 4: people seeing it's crazy for me because I don't. I'm
Speaker 4: the type of person that I'm okay with sitting there,
Speaker 4: like I'm okay with that, Like I may have a
Speaker 4: thought about it. I don't have to let you know
Speaker 4: what my thoughts are. I'm just I'm okay with just
Speaker 4: being But this was an exercise for me to start
Speaker 4: to use my voice, oh and be open with my
Speaker 4: thoughts and the things that I find interesting and important
Speaker 4: or whatever. So it has been for sure an exercise
Speaker 4: for me of like a therapy.
Speaker 1: Really, after like twenty something years of just kind of
Speaker 1: doing that, what changed.
Speaker 3: Why'd you decide to step out.
Speaker 4: To be honest, I think it had a lot to
Speaker 4: do with just growing and feeling a lot more confident
Speaker 4: in who I am as a person. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of the sitting there and being agreeable was because
Speaker 4: I wasn't confident in what I had to say or
Speaker 4: in myself specifically, so as I took the time to
Speaker 4: learn myself and grow specifically more so for my daughter,
Speaker 4: Like I had a little girl and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we ain't doing it. We're not gonna do this again,
Speaker 4: so let me do what I have to do in
Speaker 4: order to be better for her, so that she knows
Speaker 4: that the sky is a limit for her. She can
Speaker 4: says say what she likes, but she doesn't like stand
Speaker 4: on it, like having a strong opinion about all of
Speaker 4: the things. So it was really just me knowing that
Speaker 4: I had to do better for her.
Speaker 1: I was reading that she said to you, Zuri said
Speaker 1: to you that she wanted to be just like.
Speaker 3: You, and it scared you.
Speaker 4: It was the most terrifying thing that I've ever heard,
Speaker 4: the most terrifying thing because I'm like, well, what is
Speaker 4: it that you see in me? Because I didn't see
Speaker 4: it in myself.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, let me let me get this,
Speaker 4: let me figure this out, let me let me do this.
Speaker 4: So this is really a therapy for me, for us
Speaker 4: to have everybody's crazy and be able to give my opinion.
Speaker 4: Like people call about super light things, but they call
Speaker 4: about super heavy things too, and a lot of things
Speaker 4: I haven't personally experienced. So it's interesting for me to
Speaker 4: in real time because I'm more of a let me,
Speaker 4: let me get back to you type of person, but
Speaker 4: in real time to like give you a quick answer
Speaker 4: or just what I think about this situation is.
Speaker 3: It's a process. It is still an.
Speaker 4: Ongoing experience, but it's a lovely one and I think
Speaker 4: that the journey has been good.
Speaker 1: It's so fun as a viewer to watch you too,
Speaker 1: because you guys have different opinions sometimes and so like
Speaker 1: a lot of times, but like April, you'll go first
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, I agree, and then Savannah goes
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wait, maybe yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: Yes, so it really works, Yeah, and I think it is.
Speaker 3: Everyone needs perspective, and perspective to me comes through friendship,
Speaker 3: comes through partnership comes through being with people. So even
Speaker 3: when I'm like, you need to hang with your friends,
Speaker 3: it's not just to be with them. It also is
Speaker 3: like temperature check what you're thinking, because I think sometimes
Speaker 3: people are thinking in a vacuum and I'm like that
Speaker 3: sounds crazy, Like you need to tell somebody what you're thinking,
Speaker 3: Like let's figure out how to make this work, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I think that is what
Speaker 3: friendship is for. So everybody's crazy gives people the opportunity
Speaker 3: that may be a bit more isolated, or a bit
Speaker 3: more scared, or a bit more cautious to get perspective
Speaker 3: and not be judged.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised by the types of things that people
Speaker 1: call in with, yes, because sometimes I listen and I'm like,
Speaker 1: do they know that their voice is live? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think for me, the biggest thing was seeing how
Speaker 3: so many young girls have so much pressure on themselves
Speaker 3: right now. Like when I was twenty three, I was
Speaker 3: just living like it was no documentation. You wasn't doing anything,
Speaker 3: and I was doing everything, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And we get so many calls from young girls anywhere
Speaker 3: from like seventeen to like twenty five. It's like we
Speaker 3: should be doing this, like people graduating college a week
Speaker 3: ago and like I don't have a job. I did
Speaker 3: it like stress. I'm like, girl, what in the world, No,
Speaker 3: calm down. I'm like that can be so debilitating. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think because of
Speaker 3: everything is documented and you're seeing what everybody else is doing,
Speaker 3: there's a level of pressure and I feel like that's
Speaker 3: unfair to yourself. So I think I'm most surprised about
Speaker 3: how hard people are on themselves.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have guessed that either, that that was the take.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what we get so even young boys, yeah,
Speaker 3: like young like twelve fifteen. Yes, it is wild. I'm
Speaker 3: like this is and it just goes to show you
Speaker 3: the times that we're in.
Speaker 1: What's the biggest realization that both of you have had,
Speaker 1: Like doing this show that you kind of want to
Speaker 1: flex now.
Speaker 3: We want to flex. I'm funny, very.
Speaker 1: You are funny. I co signed that.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was so funny. Funny. Oh it's
Speaker 3: behave baby. Yeah, I think, Yeah, what's a realization. I
Speaker 3: guess I would say.
Speaker 4: Maybe that we're not I mean, I guess we could
Speaker 4: consider aunties, but maybe that because we have such a
Speaker 4: our demographic is so much younger, like she was saying
Speaker 4: that cross us and we do still have like a
Speaker 4: cool factor that can be relatable.
Speaker 1: Oh you have you seen your Instagram? Everyone's trying to
Speaker 1: dress like you, Savannah.
Speaker 4: Yes, like it's a little it's still given cool. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I think that that. I mean, I think we knew
Speaker 4: we were cool, but I think just understanding the generational
Speaker 4: gap and where the kids are now and how we
Speaker 4: kind of give the information, it's just a cool like
Speaker 4: through line I think is pretty pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I feel like your daughter's probably not old enough, but
Speaker 1: imagine like she's gonna love that closet.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, she got so much stuff tucked away
Speaker 4: for herself.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Archives do you guys feel like does the same you
Speaker 1: said that you're a machine? Does the same person show
Speaker 1: up in business as you do personally? Or is there
Speaker 1: like a different part of you that shows up as CEO?
Speaker 4: I would say there's a switch, Okay, I think across
Speaker 4: the board. Yes, very type A. I am very tight
Speaker 4: g I wasn't even gonna go with the first five,
Speaker 4: but I do think there is a side of April
Speaker 4: that she shares with her nearest and tears that is
Speaker 4: very much not like how she shows up as a
Speaker 4: CEO or as you know, the woman who she who
Speaker 4: most people.
Speaker 3: Know her as.
Speaker 1: Can you say more that if you're comfortable?
Speaker 4: Yeah, she she is a lover girl. She is a
Speaker 4: little tender Ronnie, very soft, very feminine, very much nurturing
Speaker 4: and like only wants the best for you. It could
Speaker 4: come off intent in the workplace, but it's gonna come
Speaker 4: off with so much love and like care and consideration.
Speaker 4: On the other side, we can't watch a movie like
Speaker 4: I like Tyler Perry movies. She doesn't watch them, but
Speaker 4: you know, they have a really heavy topic to typically
Speaker 4: and I just watch them over and over again because
Speaker 4: I love it. We watch Diary of a Mad Black Woman.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there.
Speaker 4: I watch it every time it comes on, and we
Speaker 4: watch him and next thing I know, I hear I said, April,
Speaker 4: are you crying?
Speaker 3: It's so sad. I'm so empathetic for this.
Speaker 4: But I just think that's so sweet to be able
Speaker 4: to feel, you know, through the screen and this Tyler
Speaker 4: Perry movie that she is really in her feels right now.
Speaker 3: That is Yeah, it's very much sensitive. Theug I like
Speaker 3: to call her. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: You're making me laugh because I came home from I'm
Speaker 1: from Chicago and I came home like for a long
Speaker 1: weekend one time, and my mom was just in bed
Speaker 1: watching Tyler Perry over and over again, and she's so
Speaker 1: emotional about she's invested.
Speaker 3: In these characters.
Speaker 4: And then she got me into it but never got
Speaker 4: up and left.
Speaker 3: She's like, I can't do this.
Speaker 1: They're good.
Speaker 3: I can't do this. It's good.
Speaker 1: I like all the drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that is a great way to
Speaker 3: describe me.
Speaker 1: Can you do the opposite, because you did kind of
Speaker 1: mention that she has a lot behind that set.
Speaker 3: Pretty face yes, I think Savannah is by far the coolest,
Speaker 3: the first and there is a level of class with mysteriousness,
Speaker 3: a little bit ratchet by her face. She doesn't want
Speaker 3: anyone to know. No, it's fine, but I agree, like
Speaker 3: the best combo that you're like, did I just see that?
Speaker 3: Did that just happen? And I'm always so shocked. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, knows all the dances, knows all the things.
Speaker 3: But then at the same time is the strongest person
Speaker 3: I know. And for me to say that I'm a
Speaker 3: savage when I when we got close, I was like,
Speaker 3: I met my match. Wow, because you've been through it, yes,
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I see it. The difference
Speaker 3: is she carries it with such a level of grace
Speaker 3: that is abnormal. I don't think anybody else could do it.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a therapy question? How did it
Speaker 1: feel to hear her say that?
Speaker 4: We've had these conversations, so it's not something that I
Speaker 4: haven't heard her say before. But again, when I was
Speaker 4: talking about, you know, not seeing yourself in a way
Speaker 4: that other people see you, it's just you know, I
Speaker 4: guess it just kind of confirms like the work that
Speaker 4: is being done, and it's you.
Speaker 3: Know us to hear that's really true. I mean I
Speaker 3: actually can look at For me, I'm like I could
Speaker 3: do life with her, And that is what friendship is
Speaker 3: about to me, Like you're not supposed to do it
Speaker 3: for like a second, Like life brings you these winds
Speaker 3: of like things that you cannot control. And because I've
Speaker 3: been there, everything for me is can I do life.
Speaker 1: With this person that's the friend's soulmate thing?
Speaker 3: Yes? Like everything is like can you really handle what
Speaker 3: we can't control? You know what I mean? Because a
Speaker 3: lot of things we can't control. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to have to call a friend and they can't. I'm
Speaker 3: not asking them to do anything, but there is a
Speaker 3: wait that comes with being in the world that both
Speaker 3: of us walk in. And I think that that weight
Speaker 3: is not for the faint at heart, and I think
Speaker 3: that not a lot of people are built for that,
Speaker 3: Like they're not, you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 3: we are intentional risk takers and it is and we
Speaker 3: are radical, and I think when you're that kind of combo,
Speaker 3: it is like we liable to do anything, like we
Speaker 3: could do anything. We'd be like, oh yeah, let's like
Speaker 3: today like yesterday when you guys sent the addresses and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, shoot, they buy santi Ali. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's go to Santiago. And this morning I got dressed.
Speaker 3: I wa a bag I wore. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, Like again, I think, who whatever,
Speaker 3: guess a Friday at two, we're walking down santi Alli
Speaker 3: like I think, but that's what we want to do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't matter, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: I think that that is just really what life is about.
Speaker 1: It's really special, the bond that you guys have. I
Speaker 1: feel like one of the things that we're like sort
Speaker 1: of talking around is the fact that you been married
Speaker 1: to one of the most famous men ever and you
Speaker 1: know him at home and we all know him in
Speaker 1: front of the scenes, and everybody is different at home
Speaker 1: and in front of the scenes. I feel like it
Speaker 1: must be so annoying too, and hard to love somebody
Speaker 1: that is like part of the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard. It's been a process. But I would
Speaker 4: say the one thing about Lebron James, this is very
Speaker 4: consistent in.
Speaker 3: That that's nice.
Speaker 4: He's very consistent, so it makes it easy. And we've
Speaker 4: known each other. I mean, I've known him more than
Speaker 4: I've been alive, if that makes it. Well, I've known
Speaker 4: him Mangerton, I've you know, had the opportunity to a
Speaker 4: life obviously, Like it's I've known him since I was sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like we had twenty one, nineteen eleven year old kid,
Speaker 4: Like that's a long time considering I am twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So I mean that is crazy. What are we talking about?
Speaker 4: But no, yeah, like I'm about to be forty though,
Speaker 4: so I'm actually just another mile stone.
Speaker 3: So how are you going to celebrate? I'm gonna have a.
Speaker 4: Party themed, no, not themed, just a good time. I
Speaker 4: just want to have a good time. I want to
Speaker 4: go to Austria in the winter to a wellness clinic
Speaker 4: and just kind of chill out. I love all that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. So I'm having a party. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's easy when when he's consistent, he definitely shows
Speaker 4: who he is in his strength, in his is inspirational
Speaker 4: ways on the court. But when he's home it translates
Speaker 4: just opposite for being a husband, being a bother, but
Speaker 4: all very much the same.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just thinking, even with your business reframe,
Speaker 1: like even the name feels personal to me, like, what
Speaker 1: parts of building the brand about reframing how you see
Speaker 1: yourself and how the world sees you.
Speaker 3: Came to be.
Speaker 4: So I feel like I'm really good at naming things,
Speaker 4: but when it came to this adventure and this project,
Speaker 4: I was having the hardest time with finding a name.
Speaker 4: And I feel like it was because it was something
Speaker 4: that I was really wanting to put everything that I
Speaker 4: had into.
Speaker 3: This is like a passion.
Speaker 4: I don't want to call it a project, but a
Speaker 4: passion that I want to put into the world. And
Speaker 4: I needed it to be right and I could not
Speaker 4: think of it. So I get my best thoughts when
Speaker 4: I'm in the shower, and it just came to me
Speaker 4: and it all made sense because when I was thinking
Speaker 4: of the brand, it was just like, you know what,
Speaker 4: the beauty industry is very saturated, it's a lot of
Speaker 4: the same. How can I stand apart and how can
Speaker 4: I reframe how people look at beauty? It doesn't always
Speaker 4: have to be ten step routines, it doesn't always have
Speaker 4: to be you know, just coming out with things that
Speaker 4: already exist. I don't know, I just I felt like
Speaker 4: reframing everything that you think of when it comes to
Speaker 4: beauty is what I want to do. We've established that
Speaker 4: I'm cool, so let's tell all the people that I'm
Speaker 4: cool and the things that I'm thinking of are cool.
Speaker 4: But like, I don't know, I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just want to reframe how things have been done
Speaker 4: for one hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest misconception about Savannah James.
Speaker 4: I've heard that I'm standoffish. I'm not stand offish at all.
Speaker 4: I'm very friendly. I may have the guard up, but
Speaker 4: once you get to know me, I'm really funny and
Speaker 4: cool and fun I like to have a good time.
Speaker 4: And I think another misconception I would guess I would
Speaker 4: say is that I don't have anything to say. I
Speaker 4: have lots to say. I just need a minute to
Speaker 4: process it. And you're starting to say it.
Speaker 1: You have a whole story that at some point you'll
Speaker 1: tell maybe maybe April, you know, when you were coming
Speaker 1: on the show, all of the producers were like, April, like,
Speaker 1: they've been knowing about your business and your CEO hat.
Speaker 1: How has it been championing Savannah putting her CEO head on.
Speaker 3: I'm so proud, Like, I think it's really hard to
Speaker 3: be a CEO, and I tell people a lot of
Speaker 3: times if I had to do it again, I don't
Speaker 3: know if that would have been my choice. Like, I
Speaker 3: really love being a number two, but you like, I mean,
Speaker 3: you've been leading by bo hood is get too Yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel like that. I probably wouldn't pick that. I
Speaker 3: feel like a lot comes with that. But I think
Speaker 3: a lot of pivoting and being resourceful in the way
Speaker 3: I explain myself is a lot of what's CEOs and
Speaker 3: body So it's like, oh, well, you should be a CEO,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I probably would have given it more thought. Interesting,
Speaker 3: but I think patience with Savannah. I think you can't
Speaker 3: push somebody to explore. They have to do it on
Speaker 3: their own. So I've given her like I had an
Speaker 3: executive coach or I did this. I'm like, try this,
Speaker 3: do that. That hopefully is a cheat code to how
Speaker 3: I got here. And I also worked with two amazing
Speaker 3: guys for twelve years, Noah Tepperberg and Jason Strauss that
Speaker 3: I love, love, love, love love, and they taught me
Speaker 3: so much, especially as a black woman, Like working for
Speaker 3: two white Jewish guys. Say more about that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just like I was twenty two, and they used to
Speaker 3: call me little Boss. They're like, little Boss is going
Speaker 3: to do it. And that was a great number two relationship,
Speaker 3: Like I was their number two. And they would just
Speaker 3: like put me in rooms I would never be in,
Speaker 3: like with like Sheldon Edlesen and Rob Goldstein and they'd
Speaker 3: be like, and you need to say this, you need
Speaker 3: to do that. And I had the confidence to do it.
Speaker 3: But they put me in those rooms and they really
Speaker 3: empowered me at a young age and let me do
Speaker 3: things that I never would have imagined I would even
Speaker 3: have access to, just based on in proximity. What do
Speaker 3: you think they saw in you that? Like they were like,
Speaker 3: let's hand this twenty two year old the keys. I
Speaker 3: feel like Noah is very me. He was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a mini me. To this day. We talk all
Speaker 3: the time. He's like, hey, there you go, Like that's
Speaker 3: what they call me eight because that's like my nickname
Speaker 3: me like ape, Oh my god, guess what we talk
Speaker 3: all the time like that's my guy. Like and I
Speaker 3: don't think you come across a lot of white men
Speaker 3: and leadership like that as a black woman. And I
Speaker 3: was young and I was like what we went to
Speaker 3: Vegas one weekend to open up too. And it was
Speaker 3: like he's like, I'm opening up this nightclub. Come on,
Speaker 3: We're gonna go on this plane and fly there. I
Speaker 3: was this assistant at the time. And we flew there
Speaker 3: and we got into the venue and tow in Vegas
Speaker 3: is ten like ten thousand square feet of a nightclub,
Speaker 3: which is crazy. And I walked in and he was like,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm gonna leave you here in Vegas. I
Speaker 3: was like the fuck. I was like, You're gonna leave me.
Speaker 3: He's like, we got to address this whole club. We
Speaker 3: have to fly in this Buddha from Indonige, we have
Speaker 3: to do this, we have to do that. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're gonna leave me. He's like, don't worry, you got it.
Speaker 3: I was like, and I was like, I just think
Speaker 3: that he saw a smaller version of him, but he
Speaker 3: also saw someone that was going to get something done
Speaker 3: by any means necessary. Yeah, the resourcefulness, and he was like,
Speaker 3: you got this. I know you do. And me, nor him,
Speaker 3: nor Jason, nor any of us knew what we were doing,
Speaker 3: Like who knows how to open? That was like the
Speaker 3: first big club like that in Vegas ever. At least
Speaker 3: of that size. And it was just from that moment on,
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, I can be a boss. But
Speaker 3: a boss doesn't always mean that you have to be
Speaker 3: the CEO. And I think that that is what I've
Speaker 3: learned on the journey. You can be a boss of
Speaker 3: a lot of things. You can be a boss as mom,
Speaker 3: my friend. You can be a boss at doing something else.
Speaker 3: You can be a boss as supporting somebody. You can
Speaker 3: be a boss at creative, a part of a team.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to always be I'm the boss. I
Speaker 3: have to tell everybody what to do. I'm cool on that, Like,
Speaker 3: I do it and I do it well, but I
Speaker 3: don't love it well.
Speaker 1: I said earlier that you had been through it, but
Speaker 1: your husband died. Yes, And when I was thinking about
Speaker 1: the word reframe, I was like, what a change in
Speaker 1: life experience after something like that happens. Did it change
Speaker 1: the way that you saw yourself?
Speaker 3: Oh? My god, completely different. I think anybody that experiences death,
Speaker 3: it changes you, whether you want to accept it or not.
Speaker 3: Like I think, it changes how you see things, It
Speaker 3: changes how you view life. It changes how you optimize
Speaker 3: your time. Yeah, because time is not promised to anybody.
Speaker 3: So when you've experienced death, you really start to assess
Speaker 3: is this worth my time. That's why I don't engage
Speaker 3: in anything that is a waste of my time because
Speaker 3: it's not worth it. Like if there's twenty four hours
Speaker 3: in a day, I'm taking it all the way to
Speaker 3: the brim with twenty six, Like that's just who I am.
Speaker 3: That's why I wake up at four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 3: That's why I'm doing everything where you like that before you,
Speaker 3: I've always been driven. I think ID became intentionally driven
Speaker 3: after my husband, and then after I healed, I became
Speaker 3: intentionally driven and desiring more freedom. So there's been an
Speaker 3: evolution in my grief of like how it's really evolved.
Speaker 3: But I think death of all sorts because people also
Speaker 3: attribute death to people physically dying, and there is death
Speaker 3: in loving somebody you can't be with. There's death in
Speaker 3: somebody you've known changing tremendously and you grieving that relationship.
Speaker 3: I think death comes in a lot of forms. Grief
Speaker 3: comes in a lot of forms. It doesn't really have
Speaker 3: to be to that, And I think learning a lot
Speaker 3: about grief has made me reassess, like what that really
Speaker 3: means for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard you talk about being an empty nester
Speaker 1: to getting there and at some point you will be
Speaker 1: too little bit more time. Do you think about it
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think having z still at home and knowing she's
Speaker 4: she's going to middle school next year, sixth grade, so
Speaker 4: I have a little bit more time.
Speaker 3: But I also want for her.
Speaker 4: To do all the things like if she wants to
Speaker 4: go to college, go away to college, leave us, as
Speaker 4: much as I would love for her to be at
Speaker 4: home forever. Yeah, I think that she deserves those experiences,
Speaker 4: and I am championing champion in her to go and
Speaker 4: have those experiences. But now it's definitely more quiet in
Speaker 4: the house with the boys being gone, but she's there,
Speaker 4: So we just got a little bit more, one more
Speaker 4: little birdie to kick out.
Speaker 3: Ye. She says she's our third best friend.
Speaker 4: We'd be on the phone chat and she's like, hey,
Speaker 4: guys from six anyway, She's like, yes, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: well's fine, I can say this.
Speaker 3: That's so cute. Yeah, she definitely is like, what y'all
Speaker 3: talking about? What y'all doing? Can I get nail? It's
Speaker 3: like it's sweet. She just asked me to go to
Speaker 3: a concert with me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, no, my friends.
Speaker 3: We took her to see Tyler the Creator. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: were dancing. She's not going to.
Speaker 1: I remember like just being in awe of my mom's
Speaker 1: friends growing up, like did you have that?
Speaker 3: Did you think about? No? So it's so special that
Speaker 3: she has it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she really does in a lot of I mean,
Speaker 4: my friends, her aunts, my nephew's significant others. Like she
Speaker 4: sees a lot of women and she's like, oh, I
Speaker 4: just want to be besties.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: For me, my mom had one friend and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I love Miss Caren. She was crazy, but crazy in
Speaker 4: a way because she was loud, and she wore red
Speaker 4: lipstick and her clothes were always really nice and her
Speaker 4: hair was always just perfect. So I just looked at
Speaker 4: miss Karen like she is cool. My mom is very
Speaker 4: you know, she'd be chilling, and I'm like, oh, miss
Speaker 4: Karen is her. So I think I have like both
Speaker 4: like my mom and Miss Carrien.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like those like they have a big
Speaker 1: influence on.
Speaker 3: Us that way. My mom was very religious, so I
Speaker 3: think it affected like I'm like, oh, y'all corny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought that at a young age.
Speaker 3: What since I was like four, that's hilarious. I was crazy,
Speaker 3: Like since I've been small.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, You've been crazy forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like one time when I was five, and I
Speaker 3: always tell Savannah the story, But when I was five,
Speaker 3: this bus used to come to the corner of my block, yeah,
Speaker 3: every Sunday and pick up kids, and they'd be out there,
Speaker 3: like dressed up. So I was like, oh, where are
Speaker 3: they going? So one day I wake up get myself
Speaker 3: dressed at five, and like little girls would be out
Speaker 3: there and like the cutest dresses. So I go to
Speaker 3: the bus stop. I'm like I'm ready. The man's like,
Speaker 3: who are you? Where's your mom? I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: catching his bushe going. He said we're going to church.
Speaker 3: I said, well, I'm coming. He said you can't get
Speaker 3: on the bus without it's for Sunday school, Like you
Speaker 3: can't get on the bus without like your parents. I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, I back, and so I went upstairs.
Speaker 3: I woke my mom up. I was like, come on,
Speaker 3: we I gotta get on this bus. Go outside and
Speaker 3: tell the man. My mom was like what And I
Speaker 3: was fully dressed, like he'd you go and yeah, my
Speaker 3: mom took me. He was like, I can't take her.
Speaker 3: You have to take her to the church and sign
Speaker 3: the paperwork. And she did, and every Sunday I would
Speaker 3: be out there ready, I'd be the first one in
Speaker 3: the bus, my little barbies and my little I was always.
Speaker 1: Like that, that's such a metaphor for who you became.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 4: And it was what drew my mom to the church.
Speaker 4: Oh beautiful, But then she got all up tight and I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, so not so funny. Wow, So you
Speaker 1: started Crown and conquer? Yes, did that season of rebuilding
Speaker 1: change what you were willing to risk or claim for yourself?
Speaker 3: I think I started Crown and Conquer out of survival.
Speaker 3: Like I was a widow. I was thirty four, two
Speaker 3: boys moved to LA and I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what can I do? Who can I like? What are
Speaker 3: my skills? And how could I survive? And I live
Speaker 3: a comfortable life like before my husband I did, married,
Speaker 3: I did, and then after I wasn't willing to sacrifice that.
Speaker 3: So I think it started out of survival. It has
Speaker 3: evolved so much. It's ten years old, it's evolved so much.
Speaker 3: I think it's really hard when you build a business
Speaker 3: based on you, So I think we have been very
Speaker 3: cautious of that since we build everything after. I think
Speaker 3: it's different with the podcast because it brings us humor,
Speaker 3: it brings us joy. But I always say, like, let
Speaker 3: it break is our heart, Like everybody's crazy is our humor.
Speaker 3: Like reframe is kind of how we reach the consumer,
Speaker 3: and really Crown and Conquer is like the creative willhouse
Speaker 3: behind those things. So I think my goal for Crown
Speaker 3: and Conquer in the future is really to build something
Speaker 3: that fuels everything in me and Shavannah are building while
Speaker 3: working with clients that desire radical and risk. I think
Speaker 3: in corporate there is a lot of hesitation with those things,
Speaker 3: and I think that then that is when it lacks authenticity,
Speaker 3: and then that is when it feels corny, and then
Speaker 3: that is when I don't want to do it. So
Speaker 3: I'm pretty vocal in like what we do and who
Speaker 3: we work with because I think it's important and you
Speaker 3: describe things so beautifully.
Speaker 1: I used to love the game. Did you watch that show?
Speaker 3: So watch TV?
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry what you don't watch anything?
Speaker 3: No TVs, no movies. No, that's because you're up at
Speaker 3: for it. You don't have time. And also I want
Speaker 3: to be doing that, be crying over people's Prob's just
Speaker 3: about to say she can't just watch it. It's gonna
Speaker 3: be too much investment. It's too much.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna cry at the game.
Speaker 3: No, I would cry really? Yes, yeah she might. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just think I don't be mad.
Speaker 4: She might be, and I don't like injus so then
Speaker 4: I'm like mad at you?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Like, I'm just too vested in
Speaker 3: like that. So for me, I don't watch anything that
Speaker 3: could determine my emotional state.
Speaker 1: Okay, So no sad music, none of that.
Speaker 3: No, not sad. That's not my vibes. Okay, maybe somber,
Speaker 3: maybe assessing, but that's sad. So are you the same
Speaker 3: way now? To go to the movies.
Speaker 4: I didn't keep up like season episode like, but I'm
Speaker 4: very familiar yet.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: The only reason it's on my mind is Mara Rockakeel
Speaker 1: is coming in a little bit later, my god, and
Speaker 1: she's amazing queen. And I didn't realize that she was
Speaker 1: directing the game.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't know that either. Me neither. The
Speaker 3: game was triggers for me.
Speaker 4: I was watching The Gang, like, oh, I got to
Speaker 4: do this all but still, yes, a great, great show.
Speaker 1: That is so funny.
Speaker 3: Who was feeding disinformation?
Speaker 1: I'm growing up in Chicago. I didn't know anybody that
Speaker 1: played basketball. I didn't know anybody that played football, and
Speaker 1: I did not know their wives. Right, So I'm watching
Speaker 1: the game and I'm like, this is amazing. And now
Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, and I have some friends, and I
Speaker 1: live in La right, and so I have a ton
Speaker 1: of girlfriends who are basketball wives or football wives, and
Speaker 1: they're coming up right now, and they asked me to
Speaker 1: ask you what advice you would give them?
Speaker 3: Girl, What is the advice?
Speaker 4: My advice would be something that I didn't do earlier
Speaker 4: that I wish I would have done. Is to pay
Speaker 4: attention to yourself as much as you're paying attention to
Speaker 4: your partner. Like, don't lose yourself in all of the things.
Speaker 4: Don't lose yourself in the babies, if they don't lose
Speaker 4: yourself in the facade of what all of this looks like.
Speaker 4: Try to stay grounded, Try to stay I guess, authentic
Speaker 4: to who you are and what this connection was from
Speaker 4: the very beginning, and I think that is what really
Speaker 4: helped Lebron and I. We are the most normal people,
Speaker 4: I mean from what the world thinks and sees like.
Speaker 3: We are so.
Speaker 4: From Akron, Ohio through and through like it's all we
Speaker 4: can do. And I think that that has been what
Speaker 4: has kept us so grounded and like the main thing,
Speaker 4: the main thing, for all of these years. So if
Speaker 4: I could give any advice, I would just say this,
Speaker 4: stay grounded and stay intentional with who you are, who
Speaker 4: your partner is, how you guys got to be to
Speaker 4: get to this point, and then just support each other
Speaker 4: through the.
Speaker 3: Evolution of it.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that you say each other because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about my one friend in particular, and this
Speaker 1: guy keeps saying to her like just like they're kind
Speaker 1: of new and she was like just he was like,
Speaker 1: just stay with me, like this is a lot of
Speaker 1: acclimating and like there's a lot of new stuff, and
Speaker 1: I think he's acting out a little bit and she's like,
Speaker 1: how how how much acclimating because I'm acclimating too, Like
Speaker 1: for it's a two way street.
Speaker 4: For sure, there is there is that that's a big,
Speaker 4: a big part of it. But I mean I think
Speaker 4: really for me, what it boils down to is is
Speaker 4: that your person. It's very easy when it's just like, oh, okay, whatever,
Speaker 4: on to the next. But when you know that that's
Speaker 4: your person and this is who I'm supposed to be
Speaker 4: with and supposed to be in my life and who
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to support and champion through his career, it
Speaker 4: just kind of you know, works.
Speaker 3: Is it harder than people think it is? Girl? Girl?
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: I think I think it is made to look a
Speaker 4: certain way, and I just I feel like that is
Speaker 4: what people desire, That is what you desire. So when
Speaker 4: it comes back to real life and real emotion and
Speaker 4: real growth and real distraction, that's when it gets tricky.
Speaker 4: So you really have to be invested in your person.
Speaker 4: And also it's a deep level of understanding, a deep
Speaker 4: level of patients that you have to have, just understanding
Speaker 4: where they come from, what the situation is, and you
Speaker 4: know what could be. So yeah, being grounded is very
Speaker 4: I think important.
Speaker 3: In all of it. Yeah, and I think it applies
Speaker 3: to like everything, like and that's what people don't realize.
Speaker 3: It is like people want something. And when Lebron came
Speaker 3: on everybody's crazy, he said this, He's like, so many
Speaker 3: people want certain aspects of it, but they don't want
Speaker 3: to do the work. So like that it is a journey.
Speaker 3: I think that that applies to relationships in that realm.
Speaker 3: I think people may want a lifestyle and don't know
Speaker 3: what comes with it. Yeah. I think people want to
Speaker 3: be a CEO and don't understand the pressure. I think
Speaker 3: people want things and don't really understand the work and
Speaker 3: commitment that comes with that level of responsibility. Ye. And
Speaker 3: then a lot of females, I feel like both in
Speaker 3: a lot of areas in life, are conforming themselves to
Speaker 3: make it work, even though you know it may not
Speaker 3: be right. And I think the conformance I see, yeah,
Speaker 3: the conforming part that means you have to know yourself.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people really do not know themselves.
Speaker 3: They don't know what they want, they don't know what
Speaker 3: they're looking for. And then I think, in conjunction with
Speaker 3: social media, people believe that they desire something to look
Speaker 3: a certain way, and then you think about it and
Speaker 3: you're like, I don't want this, Like I don't actually
Speaker 3: think that this the juice is worth the sweets, And
Speaker 3: I think personally for me, not specific to that example,
Speaker 3: but like being a CEO and also being highly empathetic
Speaker 3: is very hard, and I think that that has always
Speaker 3: been my struggle because you want to be committed, but
Speaker 3: then like their employees, and then you can't. So it's
Speaker 3: like separating your emotions, and I think that that is
Speaker 3: a big thing. Like Savannah say all the time, the people,
Speaker 3: You're no business without people, but then you have to
Speaker 3: deal with the people, and then you have to deal
Speaker 3: with the people's problems, and then it's like the people's
Speaker 3: complaints and then the people's concerns, and then it can
Speaker 3: become overwhelming. So like really figuring out, like she's saying,
Speaker 3: with everything to remain grounded.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing so much talk about growth, and I know
Speaker 1: that's kind of how the show started. Do you each
Speaker 1: individually attribute your growth to anything. For me, therapy changed
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 3: I think growth for me has come from wanting to
Speaker 3: be the best version of myself. So I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times people are so focused on again going
Speaker 3: back to the wrong things, Like you look a certain way,
Speaker 3: it feels great, and then I like, sit down with
Speaker 3: somebody I turned it to me, I'm like, she is
Speaker 3: dead Inzide. I don't ever want to go back there,
Speaker 3: Like you don't want to deal with someone dead, like
Speaker 3: you feel right right away, Like right away, you just
Speaker 3: are like, oh, there's no soul there, there's no clarity,
Speaker 3: They're lost. Like once you start really working on yourself,
Speaker 3: it's hard to be in company with people that haven't
Speaker 3: figured it out, you know what I mean? Really, So,
Speaker 3: I think it's not attributed to anything. But the one
Speaker 3: thing I would say to a lot of people is
Speaker 3: like you put energy and curating Instagram. You put energy
Speaker 3: into your work, You put energy into certain aspects of
Speaker 3: getting a boyfriend or being in a relationship. How about
Speaker 3: that same energy into yourself? Yeah, beautiful, And I feel
Speaker 3: like that is what will change your perspective of like
Speaker 3: who am I?
Speaker 1: It always comes back to you, It's.
Speaker 3: Always comes back to you, always now, every time, every time.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've talked about the deeper side of Everybody's crazy,
Speaker 1: but your show talks about the messy and the human
Speaker 1: and the honest. So I want to get into some
Speaker 1: of the curd craziness. Yes, so we're gonna question everybody's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk some red flags.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so red flag culture is not new, but
Speaker 3: have we taken it too far?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say yes. I think everybody comes with a
Speaker 4: certain level of red flax.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 4: So again, what red flags are you willing to deal with?
Speaker 4: What red flags are you willing to be patient with
Speaker 4: and like, you know, figure out so that they work
Speaker 4: for both parties. But everybody is coming with red flags.
Speaker 4: Nobody is perfect.
Speaker 3: So red flags, I think it's for me.
Speaker 1: It's thinking.
Speaker 4: I think it's for me. It's like if I don't
Speaker 4: like it, I don't like it. Yeah, I wouldn't even
Speaker 4: consider a red flag.
Speaker 3: I don't like it. Goodbye your cross a culture? Call
Speaker 3: it it a red flag? I think, is there how
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 1: Is there a red flag you used to ignore that
Speaker 1: you don't anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think somebody that hasn't done any self work,
Speaker 3: and I think a lack of awareness that's a good one.
Speaker 3: And someone that comes in very intense and I'm like,
Speaker 3: they don't have no stamina, because I think I ignite
Speaker 3: something out of some people that makes them feel like
Speaker 3: why I'm worthy And I'm like, okay, I'm on a
Speaker 3: date with you, so obviously I think you're worthy. But
Speaker 3: people have like worth issues and then you're looking at me.
Speaker 3: I'm not your mama. I sorry, sir. I'm trying to
Speaker 3: figure out my own shit. I ain't got time to
Speaker 3: be helping you with whatever you got going on. I can't.
Speaker 3: I just cannot. I can't, and I'm not going to.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, crazy.
Speaker 1: What's a friendship? Red flag? We don't talk about enough?
Speaker 3: Somebody that can't talk about nothing? Yeah, like, what are
Speaker 3: we talking?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Bags? I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you sound like shopping, so you don't.
Speaker 3: Want to talk about that.
Speaker 4: But you were such a fashion girly, but I have
Speaker 4: the luxury of everything, you know? Yeah, yeah, got you
Speaker 4: going in shopping? Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing we talked about is going around the
Speaker 3: world getting her mess appointments.
Speaker 4: So I'll be saying, but that's just traveling, what would
Speaker 4: be hustling. One time with the Milan they treated us
Speaker 4: like the clown. I said, oh, they we hadn't a fire.
Speaker 3: The lady I said, we'll be back for you. I'll
Speaker 3: be right back we had, and they tried to act
Speaker 3: like it was. I said, baby, you caught the wrong
Speaker 3: one today. She's very nice. Not I will be back here.
Speaker 3: The whole store is closing down, bringing out crocks and everything.
Speaker 3: But so smoke, you don't caught one. I am crazy
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Like I like that kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: It is like I said, yes, I say fix it,
Speaker 3: fix it. But we was in the private room and
Speaker 3: we were covering there doing it. I said, how many
Speaker 3: bags you got?
Speaker 4: Ten?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well they brought out everything. I said, I take
Speaker 3: bathing suits, I'm finding silverware. I was living my best life.
Speaker 3: But she had one more time to be Okay, no problem.
Speaker 3: Headquarters in New York. Ye, not the two of you,
Speaker 3: Savannah is Yeah, I just moved using no names. I'm
Speaker 3: just very resourceful, like I don't use any names. But
Speaker 3: did your last day here? Honey? Crazy giving?
Speaker 1: You have everybody laughing. I love this story.
Speaker 3: That's so good. Okayell too. Remember that in Paris?
Speaker 1: What is wrong with everybody?
Speaker 3: It was crazy, it was crazy. She touched this bag.
Speaker 3: This man said, what do you say? He said, do
Speaker 3: not don't touch, don't touch.
Speaker 4: Put back, I said, I said, But but it caught
Speaker 4: me off guard because typically when it's like an exclusive situation,
Speaker 4: it'll say don't touch.
Speaker 3: I can read yeah.
Speaker 4: Very much so, and I can see very clearly, and
Speaker 4: there was nothing that said don't touch. And I'm in
Speaker 4: a merchandise store, like, let me see that man said
Speaker 4: don't touch.
Speaker 3: I said, you're fired, be right back. The whole store down.
Speaker 3: They was like the whole store was shut down. I said, yep,
Speaker 3: I said, sir, today's not the death. Just a little
Speaker 3: rinking back. Ain't even nothing to be Yeah, that part
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When that happens, do you does it give you a
Speaker 1: bad taste in your mouth?
Speaker 3: Like, are you like I'm done with Chanel? No, that's
Speaker 3: how the boss we're closing this store down. She can
Speaker 3: go like that, I'm proving a point. You're fired. That's
Speaker 3: the last.
Speaker 4: Person you like, Like, I'm I'm ruining the whole situation.
Speaker 3: Write in lovers. Yeah we're yeah, like you.
Speaker 1: Do not get my money, sir. No, no, sassy men,
Speaker 1: there is an epidemic happening. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: aware of it.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I would like, I'm so out
Speaker 4: of the game.
Speaker 3: I see it obviously, I'm you know, I see it.
Speaker 3: But we were like, so.
Speaker 1: You don't like men that think they're the prize?
Speaker 3: What with us? Are you? Okay? So maybe this is
Speaker 3: a me problem, like I do you collaborate? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I'll use a public example. It's all over
Speaker 1: the internet and no shade to this person. So asap
Speaker 1: Rocky is doing an interview with Nessa Okay, she has
Speaker 1: a radio show in New York and he's like, I
Speaker 1: think women should take me shopping and she's like, excuse me, sir,
Speaker 1: and he was like yeah, and she was like why
Speaker 1: and he was like because I'm handsome, and everyone was
Speaker 1: like sassy. Men epidemic, Like it's like, what is happening?
Speaker 3: Got it?
Speaker 1: And I'm dating I do experience it. They really, specially
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, they really feel.
Speaker 3: They're the price interesting. So that's a note for you,
Speaker 3: I guess for me, I mean, if you're both financially comfortable,
Speaker 3: I'm not like, oh I can't pay for that. I
Speaker 3: don't feel that way necessarily. Like people talk a lot
Speaker 3: about male female roles, I'm not cooking, so don't look
Speaker 3: at me to do it ever in life, So I'm
Speaker 3: not the one. So like, I'm just going to get
Speaker 3: done whatever I have to get done to make my
Speaker 3: life easier. So whatever that consist of, it doesn't have
Speaker 3: to include you or not include you. I'm also very thoughtful,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going out and being like, hey, baby,
Speaker 3: let me take you shopping. Maybe we've been together for
Speaker 3: ten years, but like, also, don't you got something to do?
Speaker 3: So I guess I'm confused on the dynamics of things,
Speaker 3: but I feel like when you're with somebody, you're equally
Speaker 3: partnered with. I don't look at Asap and think to myself,
Speaker 3: he definitely is not taking Rihanna shopping. I don't think
Speaker 3: to myself like that. I think that he got a
Speaker 3: Chanelle deal. He like, let me get some bags with
Speaker 3: my baby. He's had Rocking Baby Pink Chanelle's shoes on
Speaker 3: his bag, so like for his daughter. Like, I don't
Speaker 3: think that people look at that. And I think being
Speaker 3: with my friend, if there's a birthday coming up or
Speaker 3: something for a partner, we be brainstorming. We be like,
Speaker 3: all right, what's a good gift? Like? So I don't
Speaker 3: I guess maybe in dating that is odd. I don't
Speaker 3: mean what man is asking to be taking shopping and dating.
Speaker 3: But ASAP's example is not relevant. He'd been married from
Speaker 3: they've been together now, they had three kids, I mean
Speaker 3: eight or nine years. I don't think that that's a
Speaker 3: fair assessment. And then the internet it's like, oh sassy man,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like when you're in partnership
Speaker 3: with somebody and there's a clear understanding, it shouldn't be
Speaker 3: based on that. If you think you're getting used, then
Speaker 3: you have a self wealth issue and you should go
Speaker 3: work on that in therapy. Like that doesn't have anything
Speaker 3: to do with him. If he's running up your credit card,
Speaker 3: you're out of your mind. Like, I just think that
Speaker 3: that's odd, Like why would you allow that? And so
Speaker 3: I don't even lend money my parents, So I'm definitely
Speaker 3: not given no man, no money. But like if we're
Speaker 3: out shopping, I'm like, let me get you a pair
Speaker 3: of shoes, or he buys me something.
Speaker 4: I just never buy a man a pair of shoes. Huh,
Speaker 4: Never buy a man. Is they gonna walk out of
Speaker 4: your life? Oh Lord, never buy a man a pair
Speaker 4: of shoes.
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 4: I haven't, But I'm just saying, like, yeah, lots of
Speaker 4: things you're not supposed to do.
Speaker 3: She's gonna tell me your bag grift guard. Yeah that's funny.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna do some rapid fire with you. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's something that you're much better at than people would expect?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think people expect, but I'm like a beauty guru.
Speaker 3: I do all the things. Did you do your own
Speaker 3: makeup today? It is good?
Speaker 1: I've been staring at it.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much?
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: So, I don't know if that's like people wouldn't know,
Speaker 4: but I take pride in that because I enjoy it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: guru status for I could run fifty errands in two hours.
Speaker 4: Like I feel like I'm always on an amazing race
Speaker 4: in my own life with myself.
Speaker 3: I'm like like, like I fight joying that.
Speaker 1: I do want to see you on that show because
Speaker 1: I'll watch you won't watch your own season.
Speaker 3: Crush, Like I'd be like, all right, what we're gonna do?
Speaker 1: What we?
Speaker 3: You know? Like I feel like people don't realize my
Speaker 3: close friends like, yo, you so efficient, It's crazy how
Speaker 3: much stuff you can get done before noon. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I would say that that is something they wouldn't expect.
Speaker 1: Okay, what something you're terrible at?
Speaker 3: Answering emails?
Speaker 4: Mm?
Speaker 3: Terrible? Terrible? Answer is terrible as much cooking? No, I'm
Speaker 3: not terrible. I'm like I survive now terrible. It's like not,
Speaker 3: I don't do anything that. Yeah, that's not my vibe.
Speaker 3: Like I think I read competition all the time. So
Speaker 3: any as soon as I step out the bed, the
Speaker 3: Devil's like here come, I feel like that is who
Speaker 3: I am. So I don't think I do anything terrible.
Speaker 3: Do I think I do things? Hmm, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: I mean subpar. No, I loved It's not my body.
Speaker 1: But she said, yeah, okay, what's the most Savannah thing
Speaker 1: about Savannah being whimsy?
Speaker 3: She's so whimsy, like I call it, like, hey, I
Speaker 3: like just sniff its emails. She's like, no, girl, what
Speaker 3: you do is drinking about coffee likee this and eat
Speaker 3: my fruits and just whimsy like you you can't even
Speaker 3: be mad at it. We were like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: sometimes I didn't, you know, I never see myself as whimsy,
Speaker 3: but sometimes I'll find myself being like jealous. How the
Speaker 3: fuck she wiz you got nine hundred emails?
Speaker 5: Like, but she just is like hey, like and it
Speaker 5: just is so unaware, but like in the most beautiful,
Speaker 5: pure way that you can't even be mad at it.
Speaker 3: So it's just like I love it because there's a
Speaker 3: pureness to it. So I'm just like, all right, I
Speaker 3: ain't mad at you, but can you do me a favor.
Speaker 3: We had to answer this email. We gotta get back
Speaker 3: to this person. Do the money. She's like, okay, I'll
Speaker 3: call you back. Does she want to call back? I'm like,
Speaker 3: email back, I got things to do this. She gonna
Speaker 3: call back. We'll talk about her, but that I think
Speaker 3: being whimsy.
Speaker 1: What's the most April thing about April?
Speaker 4: I would say the most April thing about April is
Speaker 4: her confidence. Yeah, she is gonna stay in ten toes
Speaker 4: in that confidence. Baby, you can't tell her nothing. She
Speaker 4: made a comment that I could not believe flew out
Speaker 4: of her bow about so long ago, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know what, you can't again, you can't do nothing,
Speaker 4: but respective Yeah, like, girl, I'm not sure if I
Speaker 4: can make that comment on the show. But the comment
Speaker 4: was that, and that's exactly what I'm saying. The confidence
Speaker 4: is through The the most April thing about April beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's not terrible at anything either.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I hope Zuri gets that. That's me too, miraculous, me too. Okay,
Speaker 1: favorite lip Komba.
Speaker 4: Right now, is limitless brown makeup forever liner. I have
Speaker 4: a oh my gosh, I don't know why the name
Speaker 4: of the glosses escape in me right now, I want
Speaker 4: to say House of Glam lip gloss. It's like a
Speaker 4: neody kind of gloss perfection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I had a summer Friday's is my gloss
Speaker 3: and I never wore lipliner. I used to hate it.
Speaker 3: What hate? Tell me? She changed your mind? She changed
Speaker 3: my mind. She you have to wear lipliner. This is
Speaker 3: just crazy and I'm like, oh my gosh. And then
Speaker 3: I got a gift package from Mary Phillips and I
Speaker 3: love her lipliner, and I wear lipliner now I love that.
Speaker 1: You do you want the best of it? Like if
Speaker 1: we're talking lipliner, Mary Phillips is one of the best.
Speaker 3: I love her. I'm super so part of her gin
Speaker 3: and but I love the product. And now I wear
Speaker 3: lip line. I'm six months in.
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned you mentioned that you're about to be forty.
Speaker 1: What's something you are going to become more confident about.
Speaker 4: I think the through line is just continuing to use
Speaker 4: my voice, just continuing to say beautiful, the things have
Speaker 4: the hard conversations just keep in.
Speaker 3: That, beautiful.
Speaker 1: What's the best gift that you've ever given my love?
Speaker 1: Best gift you've ever received?
Speaker 3: Love? Beautiful? How do I talk that love? Ditto? I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel like we get a lot of things. We
Speaker 3: can also purchase a lot of things. I think that
Speaker 3: there is no price Onani really loving you. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: I feel like if I really love you, oh, you
Speaker 3: are in the favor of God. You seem like you
Speaker 3: love hard, hard big, Like we going to what we're doing? Like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing? Robbing a bank, going to strip club?
Speaker 3: We're doing it all And I'm loving you in the
Speaker 3: same day, Yes, in the same day and closing down Chanelle.
Speaker 3: So I just feel like, Yes, I feel like I
Speaker 3: am a big lover and I feel like I've guarded
Speaker 3: myself a lot through life to not allow me to
Speaker 3: love big because I feel like people don't value that
Speaker 3: as much as I do. So just finding the right
Speaker 3: place to place that.
Speaker 1: What quality do you hope your sons get from you?
Speaker 3: I love them so much. To be kind, but be
Speaker 3: kind without caution, beautiful. I think I'm kind, but I'm
Speaker 3: very cautious. So most people think I'm mean, and I
Speaker 3: think I hope my sons lead through the world being
Speaker 3: kind and not thinking that something is going to happen,
Speaker 3: and just being kind, and I feel like that's important.
Speaker 1: What do you hope Sarah gets from you from me?
Speaker 4: I hope she gets her humility to be nice to.
Speaker 3: People, to love people, and I hope that she.
Speaker 4: Can I hope that she can understand the the I
Speaker 4: guess I want her to know how much she changed me.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily what I can give to her, but just
Speaker 4: to always be super open with her about growing up
Speaker 4: and being fully herself and fully authentic and all of
Speaker 4: the things. But just for her to know how she
Speaker 4: changed me.
Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. Thank you both were giving you the show.
Speaker 1: This isn'tless she showed.
Speaker 3: I think they were appropriate. Just let people were gangster
Speaker 3: to play. Don't try us. You guys are really phenomenal.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. It's great. Thank you so fun.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day.
Speaker 1: To have a good day. I'll see you next week.