WEBVTT - “Everybody’s Crazy.” Stop Pretending You’re Not: with Savannah James + April McDaniel 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.840 No one has all the answers, but when we ask 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:10.680 the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.560 closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.280 Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.800 together to challenge the status quo and our own ways 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.360 of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not? 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:29.080 And who says? 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:30.600 So? 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:35.920 Come curious, dig deep, and join the conversation. It's time 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:37.640 to question everything. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:41.120 Hello. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:44.280 Hello, I'm coming to you from New York. I have 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.159 been here so much this summer. I've been here like 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.160 five times and I'm coming back again. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.280 But I've been having so much fun on the East Coast. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.400 I don't know if you can relate to this, but 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.680 I grew up in Chicago and so you could just 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.320 like walk to everything, and it's such a fun city. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:03.880 And when you're in LA. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.160 I love my life in La, but it's not really 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.440 a city, Like the whole thing feels like a big suburb. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.960 And so being on the East Coast and being able 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.960 to run around and go to a restaurant and meet 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.080 a friend for a drink and then you know, go out, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.880 it's just I don't know, I feel so connected here. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.959 I think that's the word feel more connection. Also, it's 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.200 like the New York summer right between the Knicks and 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.800 FIFA and all of it. Well, anyways, I want to 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:39.440 get to it because today is such a good episode. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.039 Have you guys seen the video going around Instagram that 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.800 says if you lost all of your memory and had 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.120 to depend on your friends to tell you who you are, 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.720 which of your friends would you trust to tell you 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:51.520 about yourself? 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:52.600 Who? 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:53.919 What a question? 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.840 And I think what it's really saying is who sees 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.560 you the way you see you the most deeply holy right, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.680 Because it's not really asking who knows you, knowing is 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.320 your birthday or your coffee order or the stories you've 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.240 told a hundred times. But it's asking who sees you, 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.640 Who sees you the way you hope you're seen, Who 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.080 understands the person you are underneath the accomplishments and the 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.760 disappointments and the performance and the person that even you 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.800 lose sight of. Sometimes I think it's such a beautiful question, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.760 and it really reminded me of something I read about 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.640 years ago in psychology called the self expansion theory, and 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.200 the idea is that the people closest to us don't 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.040 just influence us, they actually become part of us. We 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.239 borrow each other's courage, and we inherit each other's perspective. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.519 We become more ourselves because. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.880 Of who we have loved, and I think that's one 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.360 of the reasons girlfriends are so special, right, because they 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.000 are people who make you more yourself. There's this moment 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.280 in the show and just like that. I know those 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.200 a very controversial show, but I love any Sex in 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.120 the City anything. So in the last season, there's this 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.120 scene I think about all the time, and Carrie is 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.240 explaining a man that she's dating, and she says, he 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.000 sees me the way Charlotte and Miranda see me, and 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.400 it's the first time I've ever experienced that. I've always 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.320 thought that was one of the most moving lines in 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.520 the whole Sex in the City universe, because Carrie is saying, Wow, 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:20.920 I finally met someone who sees me the way people 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.880 who know me best, the people who see. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.160 My inside see me. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.119 And I just think that's what our guests today, Savannah 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.280 James and April McDaniel have built. Savannah James is the 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.680 founder of Refrain Beauty. It's a science back skincare brand. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.760 She's also the creator of Women of Our Future, a 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:44.200 mentorship program supporting young women in Akron, Ohio. She's also 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.240 the co founder of Let It Break, a community designed 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.520 to help women grow through honest conversation and personal development. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.800 She's also married to Lebron James, and together they've raised 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.120 three children. For more than twenty years, the world has 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:00.280 watched Savanna James James. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.640 You know, she's known for being private. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:06.920 I've heard that I'm standoffish. I'm not stand offish at all. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.320 I'm very friendly. And I think another misconception I would 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:15.120 say is that I don't have anything to say. I 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.080 have lots to say. I just need a minute to 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:17.640 process it. 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.239 Savannah knows how the world sees her, but the moment 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.080 that changed how she saw herself had nothing to do 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:24.520 with fame. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.200 It happened because of something her daughter said. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.640 I was reading that she said to you, Zuri said 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.280 to you that she wanted to be just. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:33.640 Like you, and it scared you. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.160 It was the most terrifying thing that I've ever heard, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.320 the most terrifying thing, because I'm like, well, what is 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.240 it that you see in me? 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.560 Because I didn't see it in myself. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.479 April McDaniel is the founder and CEO of Crown and Conquer, 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:49.520 a creative agency that's partnered with brands like Adidas, Google, Spotify, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.880 and Lackma to produce culture shaping campaigns and experiences. She's 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:58.000 a mother, a widow, and, alongside Savannah, the co founder 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.159 of Let It Break. She's also someone who manages to 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:02.400 fit three days into one. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.520 I get up at four o'clock in the morning. By 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.400 the time I came here, I've had nine conference calls 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.400 already today. I'm a machine. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:14.000 And together Savannah and April co host the podcast Everybody's Crazy, which, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.640 according to both of them, everybody is, including the people 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.680 at Chanel in Paris. That story is so wild you 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.640 have to stick around to the end just to hear that. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.159 But at one point during our interview, April talks about 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:32.400 friend soulmates, and I love that phrase, not because I 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.720 think it means finding someone who's exactly like you. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.560 I think it means finding a friend who's for you. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.600 Someone who sees you clearly enough that you don't have 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.600 to perform, someone who notices your blind spots, who reminds 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.120 you who you are and sometimes believes in you. Before 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:52.680 you're able to believe in yourself. So the question I 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:56.600 want us to think about today while we're listening or 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.800 if you're watching on YouTube, is what makes a friend? So? 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.200 And if your memory was wiped, which of your friends 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.480 would you trust to tell you about yourself? I'd actually 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.200 really love to know your answer, if you're open to it, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.200 DM me or email me who you would want to 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:19.599 remind you of who you are. It's time to question 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:27.440 everything with Savannah James and April McDaniel. Savannah and April, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.560 you guys have been friends for years, but before there 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.320 was like a brand or a business, it was just 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.960 you two. How did you know this was going to 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.040 be a real bond, like something more than just an acquaintance. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.880 I don't know if we did. No, I don't think 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.360 it just oftened really Yeah, So I believe in friend soulmates. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:52.279 I definitely do. I have two. And I just like 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.880 I feel like you know, when you found your tribe, 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.080 So I don't feel like it's as intentional as people 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.040 think it is. Like I think a lot with us 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.400 is just happenstance, like a ease. It just happened. Ease 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:08.679 these is a good word. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.240 Yeah, I interviewed a matchmaker one time, and she said 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.080 the one word that couples use when like she knows, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:16.640 it's it's right. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.280 It was easy. Yeah. I believe that so heartily. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.640 Yes, yeah, you two went from acquaintances to texting a 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.400 million times a day apparently, Yeah, what did you think 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:28.400 of each other before you really knew the other? 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:34.960 Ooh? To be honest, I knew April through her working, yes, 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.800 so I barely saw her. Like when I saw her, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.720 it was like parent parent like it was very yeah, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.320 like she was moving around, But I always thought when 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.560 I was a part of the party or the thing 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.480 that she was doing, she was very nurturing, making sure 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.000 I was Okay, do you need anything? 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:51.960 Are you good? 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:53.800 You come over here, you sit here. So she was 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.840 definitely like taking care of me in a way. So 0:07:56.920 --> 0:07:58.480 I just thought that she was really like a really 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.960 nice Oh she's a really nice I like her. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.920 Did that hold up? Is she still nurturing and nice? Yes? 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:04.480 Very much. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:07.600 So it comes sometimes with tough love, but definitely still 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:08.800 nice and nurturing. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.880 I feel like for me with Savannah, it was I 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.720 was like, oh, this is not really her. Could she 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.760 be in a place like and you can tell she 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.680 got something to say. I'm like, I want to know, 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.040 like what you got to say, because so do I. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:28.720 But I'm working, so I feel like it was really organic, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.280 But I was. I was more curious because I feel 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.520 like Savannah, a lot of who she is is what 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:40.719 people perceive. Sure, but it is so far off than 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:45.520 who she really is. And I think in being alongside 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.480 somebody like she is every day, I think it has 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.520 to be in a certain way. And I think I 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.200 was more curious of like getting to know her, so 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.680 I made an effort. I was like, I'm curious about 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.480 this person, and I'm not really that curious. I really 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.040 could care less about most things. I'm like, I never 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.280 need to see them again. But I was like curious, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.800 and once my curiosity peaked, I was like, oh, I'm 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.880 gonna get to know her. And once she opened up, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.319 I was like, oh my god, this is my soul thing, 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.880 like because we have a lot of similarities but a 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.160 lot of differences. Yeah, and our perception, our perception is close, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:22.280 but it's not the same. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.960 Actually, I'm curious about that. So who's the better Texter. 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.400 April? Okay, who's let me take that back. I'm not 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.240 the better texter, she's the more frequent text I'm the 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:37.880 more frequent test texter. But I am very direct. So 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.240 anybody that knows me says, I text like I'm yelling. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.199 She taking all cash. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.160 She texts bullet points. She doesn't text a full thought. No, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:47.840 it's giving ready a five. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:49.319 Yeah, where you at? 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:49.880 Yeah? 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.360 You close? Like it's very like it's I'm not chit 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:54.200 chatting on texts. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.280 Are you a Capricorn? 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.559 No, I'm a tours Oh but how's that in dating? 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.560 Like when you text men are they like. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.160 Where's their girl? So confused? They're confused, and then. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.320 She's like what should I say? 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.280 And then I'd be like, you know what, forget it, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.800 Like I'm not pressed. So then I'm just like I 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.520 think that that is a challenge because trying to translate 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:20.080 my texting is like decoding the Da Vinci code. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.120 But when you know, you know, like, okay, I got it, 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:23.920 got it. You gotta know the April you gotta know 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.360 the April cold da Vinci coat. Yes, it's like my code, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.160 but I'm not warm. I know, like, good morning, how 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.600 are you? I'm like, it's very direct. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.000 There's no there's no salutation. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.160 No oh there's no hello, no no no, no, no 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:37.680 no oh. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.440 And it used to get on my nerves, like because 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.199 she'll there'll be no salutation, but then it's are you alive? 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.480 Can I get a hey? How you doing? Are you alone? 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:47.760 Like? 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.160 But now I know it's she's busy even about one 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:53.480 hundred a minute, So yeah, she's on CEO. 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.600 Am, I'm texting you. That means I care period. Good point, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.440 because I don't believe in people on read like. 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.160 That was my next question is who leaves you on red? 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.000 She leaves me on red every single time. I fucking 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:06.400 hate it. 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.920 She's gone a lot going on. In her defense, she likes. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.160 To rest her soul. I'm like, I used to say 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.880 to her, I wish you had a house phone, because 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:16.640 I would call all the house phone and then it 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.400 would be un blood so good thing. That's what I mean. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.559 Like being an old lady who has a housephone anymore? 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.960 I would like but I would say things like I 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.680 wish you had a househoond and I'll call her sister. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.240 I'm like, where is Savannah. They're like, oh, she's here 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:29.160 at the house right here. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.040 I'm like yeah, But it's not to be taken personal, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.040 like I tell all my friends like, I love you 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.520 so much, but I'm probably not going to respond as 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.680 soon as you text me, and I'm probably gonna forget 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.840 after that. So I'm really bad with texting. I tell 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.280 people all the time, if you want to me, call 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.960 me FaceTime me. I'm much better with that. Yeah cool. 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.839 I Actually I was at some sort of skincare event 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.880 a few years ago and you guys were speaking. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.520 And you said you hate email all hats and so 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:02.480 you're right now. I love email? Really? What my dream 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.280 to answer seven hundred emails a day at least? See, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.959 I'm a Savannah and it trains me. I'm giving Okay, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.800 how is anybody making money over here? Completely composed? Yeautiful? 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.800 That part? I'm like, how are you making money with 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:16.320 no email? 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:17.480 What do they call it? 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.120 Mailbox? Money? Listen? Whatever it is. I'm chicken. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.040 So who's the bad influence? I can't even guess. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:34.760 Yeah, Savannah me, I'm the orchestrator, though, So who was 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:35.320 the worst? 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.520 I just got the idea she's gonna make it happens. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.400 I'm like, what are we doing? Okay, here we go 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.360 where we need to be. Boom boom boom. It's arranged. 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.720 We're there, Yeah, but I just think that I'm the 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.400 one that's more like, let's just do it. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.680 And she's like are you sure. I'm like, yeah's and 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.040 then to question it after are you sure? And then 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.839 we'll be there and how do we get here? Like okay, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.520 we go? So I feel like she's more funny at 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:08.400 Jeer in her approach. But I love edge, so like 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.720 I see that yes, yeah, yeah, Like I like love it. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.559 I like I'm like, oh, yes, let's do it. We're 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:20.800 not going too far. We definitely ride the brim. Like 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.760 sometimes people be like, y'all was ware' there, Like, but 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.560 we're hiding and I got seventy security, theny think Barack 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.440 Obama's in there. But I'm doing it. And you're not 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.600 going to die. That's the we're not going to die. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.199 Well you're a survivor, yes exactly, we know, so we 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.920 won't die, but we're going to experience it and we'll 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:40.720 do it for thirty minutes and be like all right, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.960 time to go, just get a little taste. Are you 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.120 both good at keeping the secret of what happened in 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.440 the story or does anybody else? Yeah? Typically no secret 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.720 really no no, because the people won't say they solos, 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.720 and we was like we did, and we were like, 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:58.920 you know what I mean. I don't think sure is 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.200 a secret. Soone's said to me the other day, like, 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.200 you're very mysterious, and I don't think that that is intentional. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:10.040 But I do move very intentionally, So I don't move 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.040 intentionally for you not to see me, but I move 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.520 intentionally in case something goes down. So I like kind 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.760 of lead with that. So you probably not gonna see 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.440 me because you're gonna see somebody else and you be like, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.840 what's that them? I'm not really sure, So it's not 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.640 that I mean to be mysterious, but I also don't 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.440 think it's for everybody. Yeah, and I think that that 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.880 is part of the world, Like we do stuff but 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.240 we never post it. We're doing everything that everybody else 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:35.760 is doing, but we don't post it. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.440 And so okay, I have a question about that. Yeah, 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.840 do you not post because you look at Instagram as 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.800 like a workplace or do you not post because you 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.440 it's like evil eye jealousy, like why do you not post? 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.320 I don't post because I'm living in a moment, like 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.320 I don't even think about posting something like for me 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.200 social media, if I'm posting something, it's like, Okay, I'm 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.200 gonna do this, or oh that's a pretty picture. I 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.640 want somebody else to see it. Or I'm just randomly 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.760 like I'm gonna record this video with my daughter. We're 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.960 gonna post it. It's never like, oh, I'm going here, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:07.600 I got to make sure I put that content out. 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.080 Like I'm just if I'm somewhere and I'm having a 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.400 good time, I'm having a good time. I'm not worried 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.000 about posting it or making sure people know. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.640 That's so I did think have you been able to 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.680 share that with your kids because they grew up in 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.000 like a whole different generation I have. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.640 And I think just by seeing they do the same, 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.960 neither one of my kids or the older boys, they 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.360 do not care about social or posting or letting people 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.720 know anything. So my daughter is more in the TikTok era, 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.240 so she likes to do the trendy dances and stuff 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:40.560 like that. But no, I think it it just comes 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.120 from seeing, Yeah, they just don't have interest. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.880 And I think posting for me feels one like for what, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.640 who are these people? That's what I think to myself, 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:56.080 like and who cares like and I it's funny. A 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.560 few years ago I started April's office. But people will 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.200 be like, I DM you. I'm like, I don't run 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.840 that page. I never go in the dms ever, Like 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.520 it gives me anxiety. I don't want to pick anyone up. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.920 I have my own little page. I post the most weird, 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.720 funny things that I think are hilarious and no one 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.440 will get and I don't care, Like I think a 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.800 lot of the world we live in people are doing 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.720 things for visibility, for money, for the people, and I 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.120 just feel like, for what, because everybody is actually crazy, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.720 Like I actually do believe that, So like, who are 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.280 you to judge me on what I'm doing? Because whatever 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.440 you're doing not on Instagram, it's probably nuts. But you 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:38.720 know how refreshing that is. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:42.040 Like I interview so many people that have public personas, 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.760 and like a lot of people you wouldn't expect behind 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.600 the scenes are obsessed with curating. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.720 Yes, what everybody, But that's why it looks fake, and 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.400 that's why people are not authentic. I look cute right now, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.760 ninety percent of the time, I look like a homeless person. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.240 So I'm gonna say you right now there's nothing to post. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.120 I feel like you are like you're homeless. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.440 Actually good, I'm what's home? Really, it's definitely respect. I'd 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.879 be like what I'm like, you not wear them? 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.919 I feel great in this bondet in this world it 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:12.879 needs pants. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:13.560 I love this for me. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.640 I respect that it's a Midwest thing too. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.920 Maybe that's what it is. I les say, see, I'm 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.600 not gonna wear a bonnet. I'm not going to do that. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:22.800 I like to be a little bit. 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:24.200 That's one step too far. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.359 Yes, But that's the difference in us, like I think, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:32.000 but we both are authentically ourselves. And I think that 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.280 that is the challenge for me with the world in 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.160 a lot of ways is people feel like they can't 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.960 be themselves. They have to be what you want to see. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.320 And I'm like, I don't care what you want to see. Amazing, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.760 this is this is who we are and this is 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.800 how we feel. And that's why we haven't gone on 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.600 a lot of podcasts and had a lot of conversations 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.879 because some things don't feel organic to us. You know, 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:55.800 like when you think about a podcast, every was like, 0:17:55.880 --> 0:17:57.479 you need to scale the show, you need to do this, 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.520 you need to do that, and then we go on 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:02.399 and wet all these lists and we're like, oh, like 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.719 could we mesh with this person, could we have a 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.800 real conversation, could we be ourselves? Or does this feel 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.800 like performative? And I think, wow, I'm so honored now. Yeah, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.439 So I feel like it's like, really for us, is 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.359 where we're going to feel comfortable. That's our first judge 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.080 of like can you really handle it? Because we were 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.560 with the shit and we're fun and we're professional and 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.399 it doesn't fit in a box like people wanted to 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.560 and people wanted to look a certain way and were 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.240 like we don't care, like we're just happy to be 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.800 here and whatever it is. And so I think that 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.159 that is the uniqueness of us and the show of 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.399 everybody's crazy. It's like we do feel like everybody has 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.840 a little bit of crazy. So like, at the end 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.120 of the day, why hide that? 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.119 What was the first moment that that phrase clicks for 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.600 you both? Like when you were like everybody. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.679 That phrase four million times a year, Like literally I 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:58.840 say it a lot and we both think it. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.800 I think it would always come from us, So we 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.000 would have these like download conversations anytime we don't see 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.720 each other it's like she got notes to the stuff 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.280 that she needed to tell and I don't talk to 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.040 her to catch up. And once we're done with all 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:12.480 the things that we're talking about, it's given. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:18.040 Yo, everybody is crazy. The news saying is are you okay? Yeah, 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.919 that's the new one. Are you okay? I was like, 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.680 they're not okay, it's not okay. So I think it's 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.080 gone from crazy to like are you okay? Because I'm like, 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.400 these we are not okay. That's the follow up. Yeah, 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.760 but I feel like it just was really natural. Yeah. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:48.360 Yeah, So when you started the show, what was your 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.960 answer to the idea of like, what crazy are you 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.280 okay with? Because I know that's what Yes started out with. 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:57.600 Is there a crazy you're okay with? 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:02.800 Yeah? A lot of things. I am crazy. I am 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.679