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Speaker 1: Motherfucking mini yoursel mini episode, motherfucking mini your self.

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Speaker 2: Now, the world don't move to the beat of just

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Speaker 2: one drunk. What might be right for you might not

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Speaker 2: be right for someone. A man is born, he's a

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Speaker 2: man of means. Then along comes too, they've got nothing

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Speaker 2: but their dreams. There it is, there, it is. Ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen, Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama

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Speaker 2: Told Me.

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Speaker 3: The podcast where we dive deep into the pockets of

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Speaker 3: black conspiracy theories and.

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Speaker 2: We finally work to prove the theories that you, the

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Speaker 2: listeners have at home. It's a motherfucking mini episode. Let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's goddamn go and lack Christmas. Merry Christmas. That's right,

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Speaker 2: but there's a more important one. Happy qual Happy, praise

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Speaker 2: be to Kwanza and all that that does.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because we could just say, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you greet people during Kwanza.

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Speaker 2: Kwanza to you and yours, Yeah, to you.

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Speaker 4: And everything one you love. I hope you had a

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Speaker 4: good one. Yeah, we hope. It's it just started. It's

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Speaker 4: the festival of them other lights, and we're excited that

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Speaker 4: you get to celebrate it.

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Speaker 2: So so do what my daughter hasked to celebrate Kwansa

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what you were saying, that's crazy, Do you

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Speaker 3: say no? Of course not.

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I was like, oh, yeah, we can

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Speaker 2: do Kwanza. And then I've done nothing to research it

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Speaker 2: or you know what I mean. Like I just told

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Speaker 2: her we're gonna be at Nikki's mom's house. So I

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Speaker 2: just told my mother in law, Hey, she want to

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Speaker 2: do Quasa this year. So if you want to get

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Speaker 2: I guess some Quasa stuff we could.

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Speaker 3: We could tell you past the book Fatherhood. That sounds

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Speaker 3: that's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not you want me to learn Kwanza?

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Speaker 3: So how old is she? She's three?

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Speaker 2: She's not gonna remember.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't even know she said it.

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Speaker 2: No, she don't, And she doesn't know what day of

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Speaker 2: the week it is. She doesn't know that that years past.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't understand the passage of time. So Kwanza will

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Speaker 3: M hm, the passage of time? How long til kids

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Speaker 3: get that? I just realized I don't understand how the

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Speaker 2: I don't know but every day she wakes up and

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Speaker 2: she goes, is it free fun Fridays? And I go

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Speaker 2: it is not? And she goes why not? And I

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Speaker 2: then we move on with our.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of how I feel about, like getting rich

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know what's coming next. It's just well,

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Speaker 2: it's gotta come sometimes. That's gonna be free from Fridays.

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Speaker 3: I know that for sure. What are we here doing?

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Speaker 3: I got I got sidetracked.

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Speaker 2: We we have a we have a voicemail from a person.

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Speaker 2: They sent us a voicemail, and and we're gonna listen

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Speaker 2: to it and talk some ship about it. I guess

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Speaker 2: that's that's the whole deal. Let's do it all right, Olivia,

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Speaker 2: play that ship?

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Speaker 5: Uh number Why I am not saying.

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Fair enough can hold of me?

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Speaker 1: That makes kids.

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Speaker 5: Try way too hard at life. And I'm just talking

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Speaker 5: you know, pretty darn elevating. They just got to let

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Speaker 5: you know about the white mama. They white family. That's

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Speaker 5: all the pictures they post on dista ground, and no

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Speaker 2: Way to hang up the phone, I'd say, all right,

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Speaker 3: First of all, you don't have to say something nasty

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Speaker 2: not even. I'm not expecting that of you at all.

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Speaker 3: I promise that was weeks ago. I was part of you.

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Speaker 3: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: I was just trying to impress Iana, dookie, I don't

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to fuck you.

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Speaker 2: You really got on the phone. He was like, first

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Speaker 2: of all, fellas, I'm off limits. I'm saving myself. But

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Speaker 2: two different niggas. Yeah, anyway, only my conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, niggas shying. Fuck, yeah, that's so funny. Uh, this

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Speaker 2: I didn't hear any of this and and feel like

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Speaker 2: like that's probably true. You go real hard for one

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Speaker 3: So yeah, there.

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Speaker 2: Become like I gotta I'm black, I'm black, or you

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Speaker 3: I think my question with I this is about the

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think you do walk straight in the middle.

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Speaker 2: I think you pick a side, and the best of

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Speaker 2: in a way that is as meaningful. It can be

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Speaker 2: as meaningful as the side you chose. That's interesting, Like

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Speaker 2: I think objectively, I picked being black. There was no

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Speaker 2: gonna try that shit out. Like black was in and

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Speaker 2: I don't hate white people because of my connection to them.

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Speaker 2: I hate white people because of my proud black experience.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like it it I my my love for the white

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Speaker 3: No, look I'm a dog. Yeah, No it is. It is. Uh,

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Speaker 3: it is very interesting because it's like, uh, do you

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Speaker 3: with no blackness. It does seem like that is sort

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Speaker 2: Go full to go white without any safety net?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, because I don't think they're gonna let

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Speaker 2: And I think I think the unfortunate reality is the

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like, I think they're real.

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Speaker 2: Like I've I've seen the history books. I've read the

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Speaker 3: Know, there was like that. No, I don't know about

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Speaker 3: it just made me feel cold.

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Speaker 2: Dog, there's your story. Yeah, there's a story these ladies.

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Speaker 2: And it came out a few years ago. These this

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Speaker 3: No, I mean maybe family, but like even then, you

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Speaker 2: No, man, No, if they do that, they do that.

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Speaker 3: And that yeah, man.

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Speaker 2: That's worth unpacking, is why is my loved one like that?

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Speaker 2: And how can I help? But but no, you can't.

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Speaker 2: You can't assume you're exempt from the ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that That's what happens with that

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Speaker 2: I think most of us think that we're exceptional.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair. I think you sort of have to. Right.

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Speaker 2: Exceptional doesn't mean like good at something. It just means

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's not that you think you are the best

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Speaker 2: none of us would play basketball if it were about Uh,

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Speaker 2: it's being truly like the best of the best at

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Speaker 2: the thing, because only like three hundred guys can be that.

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Speaker 2: But we all play and think like, well, I'm better

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Speaker 2: than most of the people I know, and like I'm

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's not true at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. You have to think like that. I'm

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Speaker 3: not even mad at people thinking like that. Actually not.

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Speaker 2: If you sit down and you play video games, you

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Speaker 3: Did you stand up comedy at nighttime or whatever?

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Speaker 2: There wasn't like a world of people in my life

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Speaker 3: Up same, same, same. There was one person who turned

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Speaker 2: But you know, let me be clear, Nobody was nudging

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Speaker 2: It was like, you gotta get on stage, my man.

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Speaker 3: That's so funny because you were already in the stage space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they weren't like, hey, bro, I see a

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Speaker 2: They immediately turned on him, took everything valuable he take

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? And like is he

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Speaker 3: Would you rather have that stigma on you? Because I

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Speaker 2: And that's where I also think this conversation gets dangerous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also wonder because if we're speaking in real,

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Speaker 2: But Nah, I don't. I don't feel stressed about the ship,

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Speaker 3: That is always to me. That's where sort of the

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Speaker 3: I think you I And it's like, obviously you cannot.

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Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason that that it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you feel like because I also wonder with that,

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm Okay, that's fair, That's that's what I mean. Though.

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Speaker 3: It is difficult because it's like, like you said, there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think culturally that.

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Speaker 3: Like that is how.

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Speaker 2: You you create a system where people continue to never

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with that. I'm with that. Yeah, because all

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Speaker 3: But it's like all the same kind of things ring true,

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Speaker 2: out there for darkest man and you'd be a real

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Speaker 2: competitor for it.

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00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 3: I'm for it, for it, and it is like it

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00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: is like it is like I think I don't think

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Speaker 3: that I don't think that I ever ran from it,

442
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: but I do think that societally, what was placed on

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Speaker 3: me because of it would cause me to make light

444
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: skin junkson. I made fun of light skin people in

445
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: my whole life, always, always, and.

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00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm saying, I've never experienced anything like what

447
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: you've experienced. And there's no level of connecting.

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Speaker 6: To to cool mody.

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Speaker 2: Who's y'all king cool mody, that's gonna make me a line,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Or are fully empathized with

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Speaker 2: your experience. And so I think in that way, And

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00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a separating because I go like,

453
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: oh I'm better or you're worse or any of that.

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00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: I just think it's the violence that white people created

455
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: was making us go, we're the same.

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Speaker 3: That's fair, We're built different.

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00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Africa is more tribal than it is even like countries.

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00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that just came up. I was just talking. I

459
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: was just thinking about that because I was talking to

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Speaker 3: my mom and my cousin is married to a Timney woman,

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00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: which is a different tribe, and it's like, we'll talk

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00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: worse about them than what do you talk about white people?

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Speaker 2: You know, the countries are white people drawings, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? If it were truly like on some

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Speaker 2: African ship, that map would be so little it'd be

466
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: like everybody on this block. Yeah, yeah, it would be crazy.

467
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: So you know, we create these larger margins with which

468
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: to identify people, and or or rather white people created

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00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: these larger margins in order to control and identify people.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that you're angry, Langston, thanks man, No problem, man.

471
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: All I do is come on here and connect more

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00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: with my friends and my Lord. Yeah, this is a

473
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: prayer first podcast. We've always been that way. Come on,

474
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: look at God and and then I get accused of

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Speaker 2: being an angry, light skinned carc cuture.

476
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: Also, we're all angry, We're all very everybody's pretty angry

477
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: about how shit's going.

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00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: Man, nobody's pumped about the way things are heading.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to do you, to the to the buff

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Speaker 7: King himself, Luigi Mangione.

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00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: We we were thinking about you every day.

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00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Luigi never a faker sounding Italian name. That's like, just

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Speaker 3: like if you ask me, like to just make up

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Speaker 3: an Italian person's name, Yeah, that's what I would say.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like after you say you got to put

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Speaker 2: a little bit of tomato sauce around.

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Speaker 3: The only name better I could think of is spaghetti Alfredo. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I asked this on time. There's got to be somebody

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Speaker 3: in Italy whose last name is Spaghetti, right, like, there's

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Speaker 3: got to be eight one family.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's a We got people with the last

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Speaker 2: name Hamburger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know there's there's a Fred Freddie Spaghetti

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Speaker 3: out there.

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Speaker 2: I guess what I would challenge you is, nobody's last

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Speaker 2: name is hot dog. And some names feel like they're

497
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: they're not families that are like just made up completely.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Spaghetti is that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know enough about their culture

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Speaker 3: and I don't care to.

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Speaker 2: But fair enough, but there are people with the last

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Speaker 2: name Alfredo.

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00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 3: See, and that was made up here?

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00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Really? I think alfreda we made that up, right, I

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00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: don't know if that's true. Hold on America made up

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00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: Fetichini Alfred Alfredo.

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00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, might have been black people. We

508
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: perfected it. We love it the most.

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00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: I was saying, I'm willing to stand on that, and

510
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: I don't care now that I know it's not even Italian.

511
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck who this offends. Black people

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00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: love Alfredo Sauce more than any people on this planet.

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00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: Think about the high how many black restaurants has it?

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00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: Is it like Fini or some kind of seafood pasta, Yeah,

515
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And then banana pudding because

516
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: you feel like they're not working as hard on the desserts.

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00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: Come on like it's like I spent so much money

518
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Speaker 3: for Alfredo with lobster bits in it.

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00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's Alfredo plus meat and that is our ship.

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00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 3: Yeah it is good. I'm not even mad at it.

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00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: I do love Alfredo.

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00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: I like it. It's not my favorite, but I like it,

523
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: and I like what we do to it. I think

524
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: black people really put a spin on it that makes

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00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: it a little more appetizing than when I go to

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Speaker 2: any other white owned establishment. And when I say white,

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00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: I include Italians because again, we are not playing that

528
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: game with y'all.

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00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: All right, Oh yeah, shout out Alfredo. We love it.

530
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: We could have invented it. I think we just love

531
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Speaker 3: a cream sauce.

532
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: Man. We really got to get over the homophobia. I know,

533
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: it's so deep in our roots.

534
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: That know. If that fucked me up. I did not

535
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: like saying it, and I don't love to admit that,

536
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: but that's I was like, God, what are you saying

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00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: on this no.

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Speaker 2: But I don't even mean just your your your response

539
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: to it. I mean more specifically, we we love Alfredo

540
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: sauce so much and and it's it's a part of us,

541
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: and we can't even celebrate it because we're so worried

542
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna be gay when.

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Speaker 3: We do it. And by the way, I know a

544
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: bunch of gay people. They're not just slurping up Alfredo

545
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: sauce so bait. That's the funniest part about this whole shit.

546
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: I lived with the gay guy. He wasn't just eating

547
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: hotdogs in the kitchen with his booty out, you know

548
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It wasn't even it's only straight guys

549
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: who were worried about that because he already is gay.

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00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: That's see, that's where I'm gonna disagree with you. I

551
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: actually think, I actually think gay men are doing exactly

552
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: that all the time. I think it's nothing but popsicles

553
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: in the refrigerator and banana's on the counter.

554
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: I think, oh, that's so funny.

555
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: I think they open up their closet and it's tank

556
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: tops and strobe lights. That's what I believe about the game.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think we got to the bottom of it.

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00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope this answers your question. We never got

560
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: your name and we never will. No, but thank you

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00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: for the start sending voicemails. I like voicemails better. Voicemails

562
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: are nice. It's nice to hear your voices. It's nice

563
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: to hear the condescension, condescension out loud. Yeah, we sometimes

564
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: misread how you're being condescending to us and it turns

565
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: out no, you had a specific plan. And typing is

566
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Speaker 2: hard because.

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Speaker 3: You know what we don't get in the voicemails. You

568
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: guys are such geniuses. I think you're brilliant. That's only

569
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Speaker 3: for the email nerds. Guys.

570
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Speaker 2: I know you say you're rascaling around, but I think

571
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: you got to get into politics.

572
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, all right, we did.

573
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Speaker 2: You want to tell the people where they can find you?

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Speaker 3: Guy jokes Sonney, Instagram, Patreon, back Patreon, dot com, backslash,

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Speaker 3: David boy with the g go on there. I got

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Speaker 3: a bunch of videos by my special Birth of a Nation.

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00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: You can also listen to it wherever you stream your music, Spotify,

578
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: Apple Music, all that shit.

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Speaker 2: Listen to it, Go listen to go, listen to the album,

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Speaker 2: Go buy the album or the special and uh follow

581
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Speaker 2: me at Langston Kerman. I'm not gonna say fuck the Instagram.

582
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: It's still where I build my confidence. Uh Uh follow

583
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Speaker 2: me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms, especially Instagram.

584
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Speaker 2: If you want to send us your own drops, your

585
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: own conspiracy theories. If you want to tell us, well, okay,

586
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: if you want to tell us what city Fetichini Alfredo

587
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: was invented in and who is the the black ass

588
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: inventor of Fetigeni Alfredo, send it all to my Mama

589
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: pod at gmail dot com. We would love to hear

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00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: from you. Also, you can call us at eight four

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Speaker 2: four Little Moms. That's eight for four Little Moms. We

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Speaker 2: will be doing a super cut episode. This is exciting,

593
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: a super cut episode of the best parts of my

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Speaker 2: Mama told me in twenty twenty four. That's gonna be

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Speaker 2: happening on December thirty, first New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 3: You can bring in.

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00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: You can prepare for the new year by thinking about

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Speaker 2: some of the best shit that we did all all

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Speaker 2: throughout the last year.

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Speaker 3: Ain't that nice? It's beautiful.

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00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: That's so nice. You sit there, No, don't connect with

602
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: your family and your friends. Listen to us on New

603
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: Year's Eve. Sure you should find people to be close to,

604
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: maybe a gal or a boy to kiss.

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00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, sure, Am I gonna be in Mexico

606
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: living it up eating fetacini? Yeah, but you listen to us.

607
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: Come on, am I gonna try to get my kids

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00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: to bed early so I could have a drink with

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Speaker 2: my wife and maybe we have sex on the couch.

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Speaker 8: And no, sure, that's what I'm on that I'll be

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Speaker 8: at Let's go. But you you could be listening to us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be good for you.

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00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, by the merch uh rate review subscribe.

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Speaker 2: Uh celebrate Kwansa. It's it's the most important holiday of

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Speaker 2: the year. Bye bitch, because I look good, you smell good,

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Speaker 2: I feel good, and you sing good and make love good.

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Speaker 1: Oh, motherfucking mini year so mini episode, motherfucking mini episod,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking mini ever so mini episode, mother fucking mini Everisol