WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Timeline Surprise BONUS episode 

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<v Speaker 1>Either, folks, it is Friday, June twentieth, and week six

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<v Speaker 1>is in the books. We have learned that next week

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<v Speaker 1>should be the final week of testimony in the Ditty trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome down to this bonus episode of Amy and TJ roolps.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, a bonus episode. This is not one we

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<v Speaker 1>were planning to do. But there were some remarkable developments

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<v Speaker 1>that happened essentially after the testimony ended, and I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about we've kind of gotten an update on the schedule

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<v Speaker 1>and next week should be the final week of testimony

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ditty trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so we learned that the prosecution is most likely

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<v Speaker 2>going to rest on Monday, but most notably, the defense

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<v Speaker 2>basically hinted that its case is going to be quicker

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<v Speaker 2>than we thought. We at first thought it might be

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep was the original Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we heard maybe two to five days.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they've been saying this week, And now.

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<v Speaker 2>We're hearing that it might just be a day a

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<v Speaker 2>day a day or so. Right, So, if the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>ends it case on Monday as expected, that means that

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<v Speaker 2>the defense has and they say they will want the

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<v Speaker 2>entire day on Tuesday, maybe Wednesday at most, to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where the court now has said they're anticipating closing

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<v Speaker 2>arguments on Thursday, meaning that is when the jury in

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<v Speaker 2>this case might get this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to start deliberating in less than a week.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And what wowed me? Okay, the schedule wows me

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<v Speaker 1>just to think, Wow, we've gone through all this and

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<v Speaker 1>you got arrested last September. We've been following this story

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<v Speaker 1>for so long and now here it is as finally

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<v Speaker 1>to the end. But I was fascinated, how is it

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<v Speaker 1>possible this man's life was on the line and they

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<v Speaker 1>actually have stated in court officially we might need only

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<v Speaker 1>one day to put on our case.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that is posturing in any way too

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<v Speaker 2>smart for that? As part of me thinks like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let the people think that we're gonna need weeks to

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<v Speaker 2>defend ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, we're going to go back to then Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you go ahead and make a dramatic shift after

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen what the prosecution god and you say, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, now that we see it, we might just need.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>And then at the end of it, you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>Is that all you got? Yeah, I think we just

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<v Speaker 2>need to get So I'm actually thinking this could be

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<v Speaker 2>a fully Like that makes sense, doesn't it create a

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<v Speaker 2>situation in which you're thinking, well, shit, is that all

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<v Speaker 2>they got? Okay, like they don't need to defend themselves further.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're going back to the beginning and thinking saying

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<v Speaker 1>two to three weeks was a strategic move as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, So you're gonna go ahead and overestimate what you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to set the expectations for, like, yeah, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>need a couple of weeks to defend ourselves, and then

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit into the prosecution case, you say, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, maybe we just need a couple of days

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<v Speaker 2>forget the couple weeks. I do think that would be

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<v Speaker 2>smart if you were and they are smart, they know

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing. What are the last names in Diddy's

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<v Speaker 2>defense team, Shapiro Garagos.

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<v Speaker 1>Legendary legal names, familiar legendary legal names. Yes, you are correct. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's take that as one possibility. Is there another

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<v Speaker 1>possibility here that they have put on their case already,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning the prosecution called so many of the same witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>that the defense would have called they got to cross

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<v Speaker 1>examine them anyway, So they got to put on their

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<v Speaker 1>case already without having to call those witnesses. They've already

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed the people they wanted to interview. Is that also

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate way of looking at it?

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<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that they feel good about their cross examination. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that they feel like they are in a strong enough

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<v Speaker 2>position based on their ability to discredit some of the

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<v Speaker 2>progress or some of the points that the prosecution was

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<v Speaker 2>able to make with their witnesses by discrediting them in

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<v Speaker 2>some way, shape or form, so that they now feel like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have to put on as rigorous of a

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<v Speaker 2>defense because of what we were able to do in

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<v Speaker 2>cross examination.

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<v Speaker 1>Do no harm, right, do no harm. We are in

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<v Speaker 1>a good position. There's nothing else we can do to

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<v Speaker 1>further our case.

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<v Speaker 2>So do no harm and do the defense doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to prove innocence. They just have to cast doubt. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all they have to do. They have to make one

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<v Speaker 2>juror think maybe that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't have to prove anything more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's so honestly like resting in that position of power,

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<v Speaker 2>because truly, it is an advantage to only have to

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<v Speaker 2>plant a seed of doubt worthy enough of someone saying

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<v Speaker 2>I can't convict.

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<v Speaker 3>That is all you have to actually prove.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, last Quesch, last scenario. Is it possible? You and

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<v Speaker 1>I have covered a ton of cases from the state

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<v Speaker 1>level to the federal level throughout a thirty year career.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you posture in this way? Do attorneys ever roll

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<v Speaker 1>the dice and posture meaning they are trying to send

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<v Speaker 1>a message by saying, you know what, it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>worth our time because they didn't prove their case. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard and I've talked to plenty of attorneys who

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<v Speaker 1>said that this does happen at times. But this seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a hell of a gamble with a guy a

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<v Speaker 1>case this high profile and his life is on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a gamble worth taking simply for the matter

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<v Speaker 1>of the theatrics for putting on the show of look, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even have to waste our time putting on

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<v Speaker 1>a defense. Is there any part of that you think

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<v Speaker 1>is factoring into this.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think that the attorneys feel like they're in

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<v Speaker 2>a good position.

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<v Speaker 1>Genuinely.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't think that, as you pointed out, a

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<v Speaker 2>garags or a ship the daughter of those esteemed attorneys

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<v Speaker 2>would actually think that it would be worth a risk

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<v Speaker 2>or worth a gamble in this place. I do think

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<v Speaker 2>that they feel like they've planted enough seeds of doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't have to put on a big production.

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<v Speaker 3>The question is, though, do we know has.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone actually been able to put up a name of

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<v Speaker 2>who they will call to the stand if they've got

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<v Speaker 2>a day a day and a half of testimony. Who

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<v Speaker 2>are the people they are putting up on the stand

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<v Speaker 2>to reiterate or at least bring home their case.

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<v Speaker 1>But they keep adjusting. We don't have an official witness

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<v Speaker 1>list as of police this recording, but they keep adjusting ropes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one thing for them to go from two weeks

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<v Speaker 1>in two to three weeks is what they said at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, They went to two to five. They said

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<v Speaker 1>two to five. Today they're saying one possibly wild, one

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<v Speaker 1>and a half that's wild. How do we get down

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<v Speaker 1>to this man's life, this complicated case. We can defend

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<v Speaker 1>him and put our case on in a day in

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<v Speaker 1>a day, and that's all it takes for us to

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<v Speaker 1>prove that this man should not be found guilty. I

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<v Speaker 1>know they did a lot with the cross examination. It

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<v Speaker 1>just seems like throw anything in there. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>if freak it's elementary school teacher. I don't give a damn.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious their strategy in creating those expectations. They're so

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<v Speaker 2>smart because they know that the jurors don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>stay longer than they have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>But but once you set those expectations like two days max,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't extend like they have to know when they

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<v Speaker 2>make these kinds of statements that there is a level

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<v Speaker 2>of expectation, and that expectation is that they aren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to go past next week. So then they really do

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<v Speaker 2>have to wrap up their case, which is interesting in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of strategy. That must mean they actually do mean

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<v Speaker 2>what they say, because it would not do them any

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<v Speaker 2>good to string the jury along and to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we really hope to wrap it up in a day

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<v Speaker 2>and then suddenly have it last five days. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to go over well with the jurors.

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<v Speaker 1>And how long are jury instructions? Don't can't they take

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<v Speaker 1>half a day at least?

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<v Speaker 3>That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's say closing arguments are on Thursday, like

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<v Speaker 1>The best case scenario now is for the jury to

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<v Speaker 1>begin deliberations on Friday. We're not going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>verdict on Friday. Well, go through the weekend, they come

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<v Speaker 1>back on Monday. This is a Monday. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>a sequestered jury. So now they start a full week

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<v Speaker 1>of deliberation.

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<v Speaker 3>That's June thirtieth, Dane thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 1>They start off full week of deliberations. You better believe

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<v Speaker 1>they will be out of there before fourth of July.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct now clockwise? Do you think it works better for

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<v Speaker 1>the defense of the prosecution if it bleeds into fourth

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<v Speaker 1>of July? Do you think they're going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>a hurry to get out of there? So that means

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<v Speaker 1>let's hurry up and convict. Are they gonna be a

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<v Speaker 1>hurry up and get out of there?

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<v Speaker 2>Hens where the majority is and where the minority in

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<v Speaker 2>the jury room?

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 2>But I also wonder to wait, how much does this

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<v Speaker 2>plan do it? Have you ever been on a jury,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, no, either have I. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>people like us tend to be on juries. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think they tend to want people like us who report

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<v Speaker 2>the news on juries. But I'm thinking here, does it

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<v Speaker 2>play any factor to know that the state or sorry

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<v Speaker 2>I always say the state because I'm used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Feds, the Feds in this case, took five.

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<v Speaker 3>Weeks basically to present their case. Correct, five weeks? Is

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<v Speaker 3>that what it is? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And that the defense didn't waste your time? They just

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<v Speaker 2>like does that make you feel more? Just like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the defense.

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<v Speaker 3>They only they told me what I needed to know

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<v Speaker 3>in one day.

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<v Speaker 2>It took the Feds five weeks to tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to know. Does that play into the psychology?

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<v Speaker 1>Use them to the defensive line.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just asking that. That's all. That's my question, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I again, we haven't been in the courtroom. We have

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<v Speaker 1>been all kinds of reports about the energy and the

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth and sometimes between the juries. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>that hasn't been that much talk about the demeanor of

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<v Speaker 1>the jurors every time or sometime.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't have a talk about that, correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they grimaced at the video. Little nuggets like that

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<v Speaker 1>have come out, but we haven't heard a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>about their emotions and how they're doing. So nobody knows

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<v Speaker 1>where their heads are. But ROMs to think next Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>There are closing arguments in this case. It's so at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of today. I think the headline came out

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<v Speaker 1>when testimony was over. And yes, we did hear from

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Paul today finally, and I think rose we had

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<v Speaker 1>the earlier episode today if you want to check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>We did go through his testimony what he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>about in our earlier regular did he trial update? We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing this bonus episode because there was more here that

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<v Speaker 1>actually warranted the headlines. But there was something Brendan Paul

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get to talk about earlier, yes, and how

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<v Speaker 1>he wrapped up the testimony, and it really goes to

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<v Speaker 1>show who he is, maybe the age he is, the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship he had, and how this is all just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a mess and it's not as simple as it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he did not want to testify against his former boss.

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<v Speaker 2>And even when he was arrested caught with cocaine in

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<v Speaker 2>a Miami area airport in a goy yard bag, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even give up, did he at that point either.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not say this isn't mine, this is my boss's. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>so he said he didn't do any of that for

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<v Speaker 2>one simple reason. Loyalty, and you saw that on the

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<v Speaker 2>stand even today, like you did.

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<v Speaker 3>When he was testifying.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this isn't something he chose to do, wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do, sought out to do.

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<v Speaker 3>He had no reason to want.

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<v Speaker 2>To be there.

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<v Speaker 1>And the defense only got up. He was up there

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<v Speaker 1>an hour and a half. It was pretty quick with

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecution, they questioned for hour and a half. The

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<v Speaker 1>cross examination only went i think tops fifteen minutes, but

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<v Speaker 1>then on redirect the prosecution asked a few questions and

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<v Speaker 1>it was that last question. We have seen a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of pretty good last questions, some poignant moments, some powerful

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<v Speaker 1>moments when people have wrapped their testimony. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>asked directly how he felt about Sean Diddy Combs today,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy he looked up to, the guy who taught

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<v Speaker 1>him so much, the guy that he was an inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>to him, the guy taught him about the business, gave

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity, but also the guy who has him now

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<v Speaker 1>testifying about using drugs, buying drugs and all this. How

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<v Speaker 1>Brendan Paul do you feel about Sean Diddy Combs today?

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<v Speaker 2>So this was interesting by the folks who were there

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<v Speaker 2>in the courtroom. They described Paul as not having a

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<v Speaker 2>quick or a definitive response, but ultimately after he paused,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, it's complicated. Wow, And I actually feel like

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<v Speaker 2>hearing him say that, taking the pause he needed to

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<v Speaker 2>have before he described it made it that much more authentic.

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<v Speaker 2>And everything he testified to beforehand he was it just look,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're a juror, you're looking to see, is this

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<v Speaker 2>person testifying before me speaking the truth? And I do

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<v Speaker 2>think in those moments, when you have those questions that

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<v Speaker 2>require nothing but an honest answer, and you'll know if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not, you then can kind of look back at

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<v Speaker 2>the previous testimony and base.

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<v Speaker 3>It off of that answer.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, that was that moment where he said

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<v Speaker 2>it's complicated, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's we should all take that out of this. We

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be black and white, good and bad, right,

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<v Speaker 1>good versus evil. This is so simple, but it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>This is right. And I'm always reminded because we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people who have been and we've

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<v Speaker 1>been in that position and other people who've been in

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<v Speaker 1>the position of being kind of tabloid fodder, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's easy for you to look at this kid

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<v Speaker 1>and he has been labeled as something other than a

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<v Speaker 1>human being. He's been labeled as what a drug mule.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you label somebody as something other than a

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<v Speaker 1>human being, a college student, a college graduate, a young man,

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<v Speaker 1>a basketball somebody, impressionable, a son, no son, a boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>at this or that, right, we're looking at him as

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<v Speaker 1>something other than that until today. To be honest, he

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<v Speaker 1>got up there and from what we've read, we couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>see it. But he was a kid. Imagine being twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two and the biggest star in the world old you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be in wants you to work for him. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I will do anything you tell me to do. And

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<v Speaker 1>it just it humanizes so much of the testimony makes

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<v Speaker 1>these folks human in a way that I think so

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<v Speaker 1>much of the tabloid fodder and foolishness has not. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think this kid and a lot of yes, he's

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty six, twenty six December, he'll be twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Second, he's still a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so we just.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He was humanized in a way for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that final answer was humanized him greatly.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think we are watching this trial, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of us are continually shocked and surprised at how some

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<v Speaker 2>other people live their lives or choose to live their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are the victims, who are complicit?

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the evildoers?

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to know the willing participants, right, There's a

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<v Speaker 1>fine line between all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an eye opening experience. But I do hope

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we both hope as we continue to

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<v Speaker 2>cover what's going on inside that courtroom that everyone also

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<v Speaker 2>just gives people a little bit of space and a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of grace. You don't know what people are

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<v Speaker 2>going through, what their aspirations, or what their what their

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<v Speaker 2>situations are, and why or how they make decisions. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is it's tough. There are fine lines and

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<v Speaker 2>fuzzy lines between victims and perpetrators, between being complicit and being.

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<v Speaker 3>Abused.

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<v Speaker 2>It's there are so many questions, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to have these conversations about different industries, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know this has been all kind of blown open over

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<v Speaker 2>the last several years and all you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just said, Brendan Paul summed it up today. Final answer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's complicated, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. So another day, six six weeks of testimony

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<v Speaker 1>in the books. Next week, I think we can say

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<v Speaker 1>confidently right will be the final week of testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>I think by all accounts yes, in.

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<v Speaker 1>The Diddy trial, and this jury could be deliberating by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of next week. Folks. Yeah, there were some

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<v Speaker 1>significant updates, so we thought it was worth jumping on

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<v Speaker 1>and giving you those updates. Again, thank you. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you going along on this journey with us. We have

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot as we report a lot about this case.

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<v Speaker 1>But folks, thank you as always continue to follow us

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously it's a it's a Friday. We didn't plan

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<v Speaker 1>on doing this. We had other plans we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but we're always here and we're always checking in,

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for checking in with us, and have

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<v Speaker 2>a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Chech