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Speaker 2: This is the Phillies Show, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury,

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Speaker 2: Todd z Aleuki.

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Speaker 3: It's the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, November seventh, twenty twenty five. Hope everybody is

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Speaker 2: doing well.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: We spent Monday talking about phill free agents the Phillies

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Speaker 2: could go after. We spent Wednesday talking about trade candidates

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Speaker 2: the Phillies could go after. And then today we talked

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Speaker 2: with Josh Norris from Baseball America about the Phillies farm

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Speaker 2: system and I want to get your thoughts real quick

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Speaker 2: in the system if you want to make some trades. Guys,

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Speaker 2: would you think of what stood out before we jump

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Speaker 2: into Josh. What jumped out at you about our conversation

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Speaker 2: with Josh.

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Speaker 4: Well, a little surprising, little wrinkle at the top of

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Speaker 4: his list. I always look forward to the Baseball America

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Speaker 4: Top ten list. It's like it's not quite Christmas morning,

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Speaker 4: but it's close. So it was really a fascinating conversation.

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Speaker 4: Josh Norris's knowledge of that system and their prospects and

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Speaker 4: is encyclopedic, a lot of great details, a lot of

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Speaker 4: great opinion.

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Speaker 5: It's a it's a fascinating interview.

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Speaker 4: And so that's everything that that jumped out, you know,

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Speaker 4: a little wrinkle, like I said at the top, but

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Speaker 4: very enjoyable conversation.

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Speaker 6: That that was my big takeaway, and not a ton

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Speaker 6: of super surprises. But you know, it was pretty obvious

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Speaker 6: that there's some talent at the top of that list,

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Speaker 6: there's no question about that. Maybe a drop off later

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Speaker 6: but interesting stuff and guys that can contribute at the

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Speaker 6: major league level they're close. So that's, you know, one

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Speaker 6: of the more interesting things as the Phillies try to

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Speaker 5: Todd, what was your takeaway? It was a great guy.

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Speaker 2: He was very candid on on some guys that are

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Speaker 2: at the top of that system. They're there there their

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Speaker 2: pluses and their minuses, which is always interesting because nobody

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Speaker 2: has a finished product necessarily, But that was that was

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Speaker 2: to me interesting. He was very candid in his assessments

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Speaker 2: of some of these guys and why they were ranked

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Speaker 2: where they were ranked. So, yes, service, I enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Josh Norris, thanks so much for joining the Philly Show,

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Speaker 2: I should say Josh Norris from Baseball America, thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for the Philly Show.

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Speaker 3: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well on this fine Thursday morning.

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Speaker 2: We're kind of previewing the off season. Monday, on our

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Speaker 2: show we talked a lot about free agents to Phillies

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Speaker 2: going to make a trade, you need some talent to trade.

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Speaker 2: And so we wanted to have you on this show,

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Speaker 2: which is going to run on Friday, and it's perfect

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Speaker 2: timing because Baseball America on Friday morning is releasing its

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Speaker 2: top ten Phillies Prospects list. So let's talk Phillies prospects.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know where you want to start.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to start number one?

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Speaker 5: Do you want to how about this?

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Speaker 2: Let's over what's your overall feeling of this Phillies farm

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Speaker 2: system as it relates to other farm systems in Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball? The big picture view of you know, guys,

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Speaker 7: Well compared to the rest of the seams in baseball,

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Speaker 5: So so interesting you must have.

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Speaker 4: If you've got Andrew Painter going to the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 4: you just give our listeners a just a little snapshot

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Speaker 4: At one point, but sure, I mean, how many people

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean to put it this way. I've got

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Speaker 7: You know, you talk to as many people in the

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Speaker 6: I know he runs well, but I'm kind of curious

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Speaker 2: So, Josh, let's I'm kind of dying now to know

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Speaker 2: the top ten?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, well you got let's

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Speaker 2: You've giving us the first two, you get eight and

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Speaker 2: Miller number one, Andrew Painter number.

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Speaker 7: Two, yep, Justin Crawford at three, Okay, a Rune Escobar

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, Well, a lot of a lot of names.

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Speaker 6: I know he's left handed. I know he's a left

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Speaker 7: You can see the best three days of a guy's career,

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Speaker 7: You can have guys who don't look like you know,

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Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to get this guy traded.

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Speaker 6: But would he be somebody that you think Dave Dombrowski

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Speaker 3: If someone's out there thinking, hey.

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Speaker 6: This guy's got real upside with that bat, I'm buying

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Speaker 4: Sure he's got a lot of upside and Chas say

437
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Speaker 4: who they got into trade? And then you know, I

438
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 4: remember seeing him in Spring Train, looked out of shape.

439
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Speaker 4: I guess, Mike, give us a little bit on each

440
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Speaker 4: guy if you could, and and in particular on Chasse,

441
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 4: why is he on this list?

442
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,439
Speaker 5: I understand why the other two guys are there. And

443
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Speaker 5: if you could go over that a little.

444
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Speaker 7: Bit, sure, we'll start with would the I will friendly

445
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 7: describe him as a psychopath when it terms in terms

446
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Speaker 7: of wanting to pitch, you know, in a good way.

447
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: You know, Max Scherzer is a psychopath in a good way.

448
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 7: He As a matter of fact, I believe I heard

449
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 7: that the reason he debuted as a pro instead of

450
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 7: just shutting it down was because he would not stop

451
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Speaker 7: asking to debut, and to the point where they said, fine,

452
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Speaker 7: go do your thing.

453
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Speaker 5: So he did.

454
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Speaker 7: It's kind of like you know when your kids say,

455
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Speaker 7: can we go?

456
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Speaker 1: Can we go?

457
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Speaker 4: Go again?

458
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: You fine?

459
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 1: So they let him out there. That's kind of the

460
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Speaker 1: guy you're dealing with. On him out right.

461
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Speaker 7: Now you're talking about two bangers in his arsenal seventy

462
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 7: grade fastball, sixty grade slider, fantastic. At the very least,

463
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 7: you've got a reliever. Then you've got an average curveball, fringe, average, changeup, average,

464
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Speaker 7: control all that. If one of those two other pitches

465
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Speaker 7: takes a step or two forward, well now you really

466
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Speaker 7: got something. And if that control, I mean, the control

467
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 7: as average is fine enough. So it's gonna be about

468
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Speaker 7: bringing one of those two pitches forward and then maybe

469
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Speaker 7: getting him to work spread out, spread out his work.

470
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Speaker 1: A little bit more.

471
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Speaker 7: You know, don't put one hundred percent into every pitch

472
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Speaker 7: because that although we do train that way these days,

473
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Speaker 7: you don't want it necessarily if you want to be

474
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Speaker 7: a guy like a Justin Verlander. I'm not gonna comp

475
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Speaker 7: those two guys. I'm just saying, as a workhorse, you've

476
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 7: got to be able to ration your energy throughout five, six,

477
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Speaker 7: seven innings. You know, it's not that it's not as

478
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Speaker 7: simple as throwing one hundred miles an hour every pitch.

479
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 7: That's just not generally gonna work unless you're a mutant.

480
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Speaker 7: Matthew Fisher high upside guy.

481
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Speaker 1: We had him at number eight. He went to fun Nugget.

482
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Speaker 7: He went to Evansville High School, which is where Don

483
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 7: Mattingly went and his son notably is the Phillies GM.

484
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 7: It's obviously a little insider trading right there. He's got

485
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 7: a nice little mix of high upside physicality. Six three

486
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 7: two hundred, which is pretty much how you want to

487
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 7: draw up for a pitcher these days or any day. Frankly,

488
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 7: above average fastball, six plus slider with a fringe change

489
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 7: and a fifty curve ball again, same idea. You've got

490
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Speaker 7: the frame to take some more weight and add some

491
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Speaker 7: more strength. You can bring some more stuff to bring

492
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Speaker 7: one of those two other pitches forward. You've already got

493
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Speaker 7: two ready made weapons. If you can get you know,

494
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 7: enough control command, you've got the makings of a power

495
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Speaker 7: pitcher and a guy who can shoot up the rankings

496
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Speaker 7: in time. You know, right now you're dealing with a

497
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 7: guy who obviously didn't pitch this year in pro ball.

498
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 7: So when I talk, you talk to the scouting director

499
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 7: and you go with what our great draft guy, Carlos Colaso,

500
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 7: has you know, gotten on these guys a lot of

501
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 7: it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna rewrite what you said

502
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 7: and talk to the skuying director.

503
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Speaker 1: It's all you can do. Watch a little bit of video,

504
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: but that's about it.

505
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 7: And then Chas say, I'm giving him a pass, like

506
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 7: that's really all this is. I understand he came into

507
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 7: out of shape, there's no question about that, and his

508
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 7: stuff suffered as a result. But when it was we

509
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 7: all know that Tommy John surgery is not a death.

510
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 3: Now.

511
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Speaker 7: People come back from that all the time, and sometimes

512
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 7: they come back fully formed, sometimes they come back a

513
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 7: little bit better for a while, sometimes they don't. It happens.

514
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 7: But when he's right, it's really good stuff. I mean,

515
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 7: we're talking back here the same grades as last year

516
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 7: because I don't know what else I could do with

517
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 7: not much of a season. When he's at his best,

518
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 7: he's got the potential for two plus pitches. The fastball

519
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 7: for its velocity and the way it plays through the zone.

520
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 7: Sliders are pretty nasty little pitch itself. You got two

521
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 7: breaking balls in that way. He's got the traditional gyro

522
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 7: slider and a sweeper. Gives some two different looks to

523
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Speaker 7: help him handle hitters at both sides. He's got an

524
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 7: average change up, so he's got a full starters compliment.

525
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 7: He needs to polish up some of the finer points

526
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 7: of pitching, like they talked last year about. He needs

527
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 7: to get ahead more often and stop working from behind

528
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 7: and then getting himself back into counts and then being

529
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Speaker 7: less pitch efficient. If he doesn't do that well, he's

530
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Speaker 7: probably a reliever. So, as I mentioned earlier, this is

531
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Speaker 7: not the deepest system in the world right now, so

532
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Speaker 7: I kind of gave him a little bit of a pass.

533
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Speaker 2: That's great stuff, man, Yeah, Josh, you know it's funny

534
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: when the Phillies drafted Gauge, would this summer immediately X

535
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: blew up, social media blew up and goes He's going

536
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: to be in the bullpen by the end of the season.

537
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Speaker 2: And then you know how baseball is. They everybody watches

538
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 2: Trey you Savage pitch in the postseason, like you know,

539
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: how quickly can gauge would get to the big leagues?

540
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: Could he be helping the Phillies next season? And I'm wondering,

541
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Speaker 2: in any of your conversations with anybody, do they feel

542
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: that that's a realistic jump for him?

543
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 5: I mean.

544
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: Vast rise er possibly, would you be surprised if he

545
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: was in the big league's pitching next season in some way,

546
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: shape or form.

547
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 7: Not really, but if you want to, I mean trecet I

548
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 7: used the term earlier. Trey You Savage is a mutant

549
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 7: because he got there solely as a starter, and I

550
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 7: get there was a couple of relief appearances down the stretch,

551
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 7: but that doesn't happen where you get a guy probably

552
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 7: shouldn't have started in low way with his pedigree, but

553
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 7: he did anyway, moving all four levels and then getting

554
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 7: there that's unheard of. But this guy, if he figures

555
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 7: out his target areas, could he get there as a starter.

556
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 7: I don't know, but if he's in there is a

557
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 7: reliever toward the end. I assume the Phillies will be

558
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 7: in the postseason again because they're just the kind of

559
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 7: team that they don't reboot, they reload, so they will

560
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 7: probably be there in some form of fashion. If you

561
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 7: tell me if he's got some bullets left in the

562
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 7: tank by the end of the season, if he is

563
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 7: in the in the big league bullpen, I wouldn't be surprised.

564
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Speaker 1: He's got that kind of stuff.

565
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 7: You saw what he did in the College World Series

566
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 7: and you saw he's got that here it is hit it.

567
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: I dare you attitude.

568
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 7: About him that you do need in the late innings

569
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Speaker 7: so we'll see great stuff.

570
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 5: How about this?

571
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 4: Just a ton of names I want to ask you

572
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: about on the list, But I didn't see Keaton Anthony.

573
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: He looks like he's got a pretty good bat. I

574
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 4: know he might be a little older. Did you consider him?

575
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: What's your kind of report and your your your take

576
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: on Keaton Anthony.

577
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 7: You know he's he's okay, He's he's a first base

578
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 7: only guy, and for that reason, I think he needs

579
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 7: to mash a little more than he does.

580
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Speaker 1: And yes he is a little bit older.

581
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Speaker 7: Internally, they were not as high on him as you

582
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 7: might think based on the numbers. So I'm kind of

583
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 7: lookewarm on him, but I get the attraction based on

584
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 7: what he's done, and maybe maybe he's auto Camp two

585
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 7: point zero, a guy who just hits and hits and

586
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 7: hits and you know, kind of proves it wrong to

587
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 7: all the people like me in my industry and said, hey,

588
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 7: I'm a big leaguer. I'm one of twelve thousand people

589
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 7: who did that.

590
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But no, he wasn't really in consideration

591
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: for the ten.

592
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, one of the other guys that Dave Dombrowsk

593
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: you mentioned, and it's not a surprise last month when

594
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: he kind of talked about next season besides Payin or

595
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: besides rinconas of course, is Justin Crawford, who you have

596
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: third on your list. What do you make of I mean,

597
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: what's your opinion on him? Is he we keep hearing

598
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: that he's a better left fielder than a centerfielder, probably

599
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: needs some work in center field.

600
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: What do you make of Justin Crawford.

601
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Speaker 2: And his ability if he makes the team coming out

602
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,719
Speaker 2: of spring training to kind of produce in you know,

603
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: for their Phillies.

604
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Speaker 7: I believe that there's a couple of ways to look

605
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 7: at this. Obviously, he hit like three point thirty in

606
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 7: trile A. Those are pretty good numbers. On the other hand,

607
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 7: they didn't bring him up last year when they had

608
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 7: spots they could have be used. An outfielder kind of

609
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 7: tells you what they think, doesn't it. I mean that,

610
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 7: I'm a big believer in teams will tell you what

611
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 7: they think of guys without telling you. And I deal

612
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 7: with some other guys in my other systems too. I

613
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 7: think there's more there than he more there that he

614
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 7: needs to work on. Also, you know, we talked, let's

615
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 7: talk about the center field defense. From a scouting standpoint,

616
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,719
Speaker 7: it's better, it's it's okay, it's maybe average. From an

617
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Speaker 7: analytical standpoint, it's about as bad as you can get.

618
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Speaker 7: And I mean I'm talking. Teams told me they had

619
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Speaker 7: him analytically in the third percentile of minor league center fielders.

620
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Speaker 1: Wow.

621
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Speaker 7: That's but here's where you can't just take numbers out

622
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Speaker 7: of a vacuum. The Phillies tell me that they would

623
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Speaker 7: play him more shallow in center field than you might

624
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 7: normally so he could learn to better go back on balls.

625
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 7: Well if he doesn't get to them, those are balls

626
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Speaker 7: that probably the computers should be easily catchable that he

627
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 7: doesn't because you've put him at a disadvantage. So I

628
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 7: can understand where the humans and the computers have a divide.

629
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Speaker 7: So he's probably not the third percentile of minor league

630
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 7: standerfields that's insane. But he's also not you know, Kevin

631
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 7: Kiermeyer or anything out there. He's probably a left fielder

632
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 7: and he probably is a pretty good. One question then

633
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 7: becomes does he have the power to profile at that position?

634
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 7: And he has the raw juice, but he cannot get

635
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 7: the ball off the ground. And I brought up k

636
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 7: Kevin Kiermeyer for a reason because the ground ball rates

637
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 7: that Crawford runs in the last I want to say,

638
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 7: fifteen years, there's been one big leaguer of note who's

639
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 7: made it a decent career running those kind of ground

640
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 7: ball rates in the minor leagues, and that's Kevin Kiermeyer.

641
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 7: And the reason he was able to do that is

642
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 7: because he was a sublime defensive center fielder. There it's

643
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 7: in there. He hits the ball as hard as a

644
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 7: lot of prospects. The problem is, if you put it

645
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 7: in the dirt, it's not gonna matter. And I get

646
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 7: he's hitting three thirty in TRIPA, A big league. Infielders

647
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 7: are better, they're gonna turn more of those balls into outs.

648
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 7: The advanced scouting reports are gonna be better. I mean,

649
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 7: how many times do we see a guy scorch a

650
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 7: ground ball and a dude, he's right there, even though

651
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 7: you know we don't. We can't super shift anymore, they

652
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 7: have it. Okay, I'm gonna throw a change up here.

653
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Speaker 7: This guy's swing plane looks like this. He's gonna if

654
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 7: everything is executed properly, he's gonna bash it right to

655
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 7: this blade of grass. And I think that's gonna be

656
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 7: a big problem for Justin Crawford. So the song has

657
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 7: been the same for the last two or three years.

658
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: If he gets the ball off the.

659
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 7: Ground, not necessarily, but he can hit home runs, but

660
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 7: on that middle plane where it's over the infielders heads

661
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 7: on the dirt and he can run, then you've got

662
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 7: something really special.

663
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: You've probably got his dad, quite frankly.

664
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 7: But there are issues to work on, and there have

665
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 7: been issues to work on, and there continue to be

666
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 7: issues to work on it. So I ranked him third

667
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 7: on that potential, knowing full well that there's stuff to do.

668
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: God good step.

669
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well he might be. He might be left field

670
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: in April up here, he could very well be. How

671
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: do you think he'll fare coming up?

672
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: Uh?

673
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: You know that's that's a young man in left field

674
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: with I mean you've painted a picture of a player

675
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: with some warts.

676
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 6: Honestly, Yeah, gonna be hitting the ninth hole too. I mean,

677
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 6: it's not like he's going to be super pressured. I

678
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: would think that they, you know, team him up back

679
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 6: to back with turners.

680
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 7: If you want to hit a guy in the nine hole,

681
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 7: then the profile power that you know you normally associate

682
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 7: with left fielders maybe goes out the window a little bit.

683
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 7: But again, and it's nice if he if he does

684
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 7: figure it out, then you've got a real weapon and

685
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 7: you probably start hitting much higher.

686
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: But again, i'd be very curious to see how that

687
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: extreme ground ball profile hand turns out in the big leagues.

688
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 7: I mean, again, we've talked about you know, there's there's

689
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 7: labs for hitting, there's labs for pitching. There's not labs

690
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 7: for defense. But the defenders he's gonna see in the

691
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 7: NL East and you know the rest of the league,

692
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 7: they're pretty damn good, So I'll be interesting to see.

693
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I doubt he's gonna hit three thirty in

694
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 7: the big leagues, but I also doubt he's gonna hit

695
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 7: two thirty.

696
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: Right.

697
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: The last guy we we haven't yeah, we haven't gotten

698
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: into on your top ten list was Dante Nori, and

699
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: we had him on our show just a couple of

700
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: weeks ago.

701
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 3: Great kid.

702
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: You know, gets on base, you know it, hits the

703
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: ball all fields, you know, plays center field. What do

704
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: you What do you like about him and his potential?

705
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 7: He's he's kind of that that that cliche term. He's

706
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 7: that gamer guy. He's gonna do a lot of things, right.

707
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 7: He might not do a lot of things exceptionally. He's

708
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 7: not gonna be a big time powerhead because the way

709
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 7: his swing mechanics work, there's very little load in his swing.

710
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: He's kind of a slap and dash sort of guy,

711
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: which is fine. You need those.

712
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 7: He can't all be sluggers, and when you try to

713
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 7: get all sluggers, it doesn't work out.

714
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes.

715
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 7: Not all guys were born to be sluggers. But he

716
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 7: can hit a little bit. There's almost no power in

717
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 7: the tank. He's an above average runner plus defender with

718
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 7: a fringe average arms. That's probably a left fielder, but

719
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 7: he chanced centerfield. But if he has to move over

720
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 7: to left field, like I just talked about with Crawford,

721
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 7: that's a problem because there is much less power potential

722
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 7: than Crawford. Like, this is a guy who unless there's

723
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 7: also no projection remaining or very little projection remaining, what

724
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 7: he's got is his body. And it's not like he's

725
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 7: gonna come into twenty five home run juice anytimes, suit,

726
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 7: I don't think. And if he tries to, it's gonna

727
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 7: be disastrous. I mean, I've seen plenty of guys in

728
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 7: my career. They're just swinging straight up, trying to hit

729
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 7: everything for power, and I'm sorry, that's not the body

730
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 7: you have, and that's not the skill set you have.

731
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 7: It doesn't work that way, and ideally, and a good

732
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 7: lineup is not constructed that way.

733
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: It's not homogenous.

734
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 7: But this is a guy who has a little does

735
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 7: a little bit of everything, and outside of the power,

736
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 7: doesn't fall short in a lot of areas. So I'm

737
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 7: putting him there kind of as a None.

738
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: Of his awards are huge.

739
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 7: To put it that way, He's got an interesting skill

740
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 7: set and I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, if you

741
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 7: told me he's also a player who gets dealt, that

742
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprising either. He's got a lot of stuff

743
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 7: that teams like, and the makeup is really good too.

744
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 6: To kind a quick question, I'd like to throw comps

745
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 6: on people. He sounds a little bit like an Andrew

746
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 6: Benattendee type player. Is that a decent comp for him

747
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 6: Ben attending Maybe with a little bit more pop.

748
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 7: Well, I don't like throwing comps on people, but I'd

749
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 7: say a little less pop. Mean, he's a thirty grade

750
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 7: power at peak. Benin Tendee had some thump.

751
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: A little bit.

752
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 7: I understand it was muted a little bit by the wrist.

753
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 7: Fun fact inside Baseball, But we gave him our College

754
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 7: Player of the Year award back in the day. I

755
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 7: got to present him that award, which was silly because

756
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 7: I didn't know anything about him.

757
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: I was on the pro beat.

758
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,959
Speaker 7: That was one of the worst speeches in the history

759
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 7: of human words, quite frankly, and he found me a

760
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 7: couple of years later and said you're the guy I

761
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 7: gave that terrible speech.

762
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Andrew. I am so thank you for

763
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: bringing that up.

764
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 6: Do you remember I did have an opportunity to coach

765
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 6: him in Boston for a year or so. Just as

766
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 6: far as makeup and stuff, the way he went about

767
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 6: it pretty solid.

768
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: Had a hard scrabble guy.

769
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 7: So would you agree with me that he's Ben and

770
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 7: Tendi at his peak had better than thirty power.

771
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Ben Attendi's probably more like a forty

772
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 6: to forty five power type guy.

773
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: At his peak.

774
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 6: Didn't really translate as far as raw power in the

775
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 6: big leagues necessarily, But yes, now he's probably what attend

776
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 6: to eighteen home run guy.

777
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean that's way more than I would from

778
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 7: Norri So right, just kind of an okay guy in

779
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 7: center field. If he sticks in center field, that's really

780
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 7: the key. And I wonder what kind of opportunities he's

781
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 7: gonna get to do that based on who's got in

782
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 7: front of him.

783
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: But he's a really interesting ballplayer, and I've I liked

784
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: him a little.

785
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 7: Bit when I saw him in clear Water, and I

786
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 7: think I saw him a little bit in the fallag

787
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 7: My folleague trip has kind of jumbled at this point,

788
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 7: especially because of all the rain that I got. But

789
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 7: you know, interesting little player. That's pretty much a very

790
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 7: short way of describing him. Just interesting little ballplayer, Josh.

791
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 5: When they drafted Norrie, they drafted the.

792
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 4: Kid Burkholder right behind him, another outfielder hurt a lot

793
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: of bottom at draft time.

794
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 5: I think he was hurt this year a little bit.

795
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. Do you what should kind of feel on him?

796
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 7: I think they they have him higher than I do.

797
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 7: And I actually, here full disclosure, I was writing him

798
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 7: as number ten, and then as I write him, I'm like,

799
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 7: I just I can't. There's got to be somebody better here.

800
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 7: Like it's there are skills there, but there are major warts,

801
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 7: and one of those warts is health. He has not

802
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 7: stayed on the field, and when he does, he has

803
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 7: some pretty bad swing and mis tendencies. And I just

804
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 7: I can't put a guy in ten who, unless the

805
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 7: system is much worse, who has not stayed healthy and

806
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 7: really not produced. Like yeah, I talked to one scout

807
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 7: and I'll kind of some some up, but he said

808
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 7: like this, like you know, he doesn't do this, he

809
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 7: doesn't do this, he doesn't do this, but you know what,

810
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 7: I can make him a roll fifty. All right, Well,

811
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 7: that's the most optimistic look I've seen in a while.

812
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 7: You just said eighty six things you hate about him,

813
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 7: and you gave him a five. But that's interesting. But

814
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 7: I get it. There's upside there, and I would like

815
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 7: him to show it first. It's kind of a boomer

816
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 7: Bus profile, and right now it's been a little bit

817
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 7: of it's a little little bustier than you would like.

818
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 4: Traded a catching prospector to the Twins. They got any cat.

819
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 7: Coming a little bit. Nothing quite as sexy as Tayit.

820
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 7: Cayden Hediger is going to be on that list. Caleb

821
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 7: Ricketts who outside chance to get protected for the rule five.

822
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 7: Those are kind of the names right now. There's nothing

823
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 7: you know Taye like coming. If you believe tay can

824
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 7: stick behind there.

825
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 5: Heard the name Faribus a little bit.

826
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Farabis is a good one.

827
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a little bit lower on the pecking he's

828
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 7: you know, none of these guys are you.

829
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Know, starters.

830
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 7: I don't think frontline starters in the big leagues. There's

831
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 7: no certainly real Muto doesn't have to worry about any

832
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 7: of these guys. I don't think, I guess that's a

833
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 7: kind of catty way to put it. But you know,

834
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 7: they're they're interesting, but they're not they wouldn't be consideration

835
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 7: for the ten. I don't think they've had their moments

836
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 7: in the past, but just been moments.

837
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: Josh, I know, like a last couple of years, uh

838
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: before he now has elevated in the rankings, a run Escobar.

839
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of teams are kind of calling

840
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: the Phillies on him for potential trade. Is there anybody

841
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: that we have not talked about? Maybe you know, who

842
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: are I guess maybe who are your under the radar

843
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: guys that if the Phillies make a trade this winner

844
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: and he's included, we might be surprised to know that,

845
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Twins were really in on this guy.

846
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: They love this guy even though he's not in any

847
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: top ten list.

848
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 7: The guy I would come up with, especially if you're

849
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 7: asking about the Twins, who are pitching demons. A lot

850
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 7: of all organizations are these days. Ramon Marquez right hander

851
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 7: in the FCL, and then I saw him, I so

852
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 7: I'm in the FCL, and then he pitched in the

853
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 7: FSL later in the year, and one disaster start and

854
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 7: then a lot of borderline gems. You know, you're talking

855
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 7: about a guy with a fifty five to sixty fastball,

856
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 7: above average change up, above average slider, needs to throw

857
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 7: more strikes, a lot of raw ingredients there. When I

858
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 7: saw him, he was pretty nasty. He went pitched for

859
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 7: pitch with one of the Blue Jay's better prospects, Johnny King.

860
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 7: That change up is real, and truth be told, if

861
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 7: you have anything close to a real change but I'm

862
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 7: sure you know this all. You can do a lot

863
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 7: of damage against low level hitters who are allergic to

864
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 7: that particular pitch. But and that was the case that day,

865
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 7: there were a lot of low level hitters who hadn't died.

866
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 7: A whole heck of a lot of changeups he's got.

867
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 7: But those two pitches working in the fastball in the

868
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 7: changeup working in concert are pretty good. The slider is

869
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 7: it's he needs to be a little more consistent, But

870
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 7: he've got a lot of good characteristics in the fastball

871
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 7: as well. So this is a guy who's an arm

872
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 7: on the rise. That was mentioned to me at mid season.

873
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 7: I'm sure our listeners know. We update these lists constantly

874
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 7: and around in May June one of their guys.

875
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: Said, hey, maybe.

876
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 7: Maybe pay attention to this guy, and there's some smart

877
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 7: evaluators in those systems, and he was correct. Another guy

878
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 7: who's come up a lot. I don't know if he'd

879
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 7: be a trade ship as like a maybe he might

880
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 7: be a third piece at this point.

881
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: Gabe Craig.

882
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 7: He's an older guy that got him in the draft

883
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 7: this year. Big fastball, absolutely filthy sweeper, like that's gonna

884
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 7: do damage against some better hitters, and did so against

885
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 7: And I was watching a little bit of video last

886
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 7: night and prep for this call. I saw him, you know,

887
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 7: take a part Nolan Schubard of Oklahoma State with one

888
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 7: of these things and turn him into a marionette kind

889
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 7: of with what he was spinning at his feet. It

890
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 7: was pretty impressive. So this is a guy you talked

891
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 7: about fast movers. This is a guy who might be

892
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 7: able to see triple A at the end of the year,

893
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 7: especially because he's older, he's got a high college pedigree.

894
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 7: He and I guess that the stuff is real. And

895
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 7: the last one I'll give you is a local kid

896
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 7: around here, James Tallon, who they brought up when I

897
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 7: was talking to him at mid season. A duke guy,

898
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 7: lefty slider fastball kind of plays a little bit better

899
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 7: than the velocity. He fits at the back end of

900
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 7: a top thirty, and I should know I'm writing a

901
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 7: top thirty, but there's some They have a lot of stuff,

902
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 7: a lot of traits that they covet, in particular with fastballs,

903
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 7: and he kind of hits all of them, so that

904
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 7: it might be a little guy to watch too, maybe

905
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 7: more of a mid season trade than an off season

906
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 7: trade before he after he kind of proves it in

907
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 7: a regular season seven.

908
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: So, like before we wrap up, how about just a

909
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 4: thought on Andrew Painter. We kind of glossed over him

910
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 4: at the top. Your take on his season, why it

911
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 4: maybe wasn't as stellar as everybody expected. Do you expect

912
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: to see him in the rotation in April? And just

913
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 4: you know, I know you've given him some high marks

914
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: in the past. You mentioned those those three words, h

915
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: O F. You know, what are we going to see?

916
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 5: How about this? What are we going to see Andrew

917
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 5: Painter in twenty six?

918
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 7: I think you'll see him in the rotation at some point.

919
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 7: They're still believe in him a lot. The reason for

920
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 7: reasons his season was maybe not again, not a bad season.

921
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: The fact that a.

922
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 7: Guy off coming off Tommy John surgery took the ball

923
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 7: every single time is an achievement in and of itself.

924
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 7: So his arm slot dropped throughout the course of the year,

925
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 7: and part of that is the workload. And when his

926
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 7: arm slot dropped, it affected the way his fastball played.

927
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 7: I get it. It's you know, it's ninety seven to

928
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 7: one hundred or whatever. But it became more hittable as

929
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 7: a result. We all know on this called it ninety

930
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: seven to one hundred in the big leagues. It ain't

931
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 7: what it used to be. It's not it's not kryptonite.

932
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 7: And triple A hitters proved the same. If he can

933
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 7: improve that fastball quality and get that arm slot backed

934
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 7: up to where it needs to be, I think he'll

935
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 7: be right back where you know we all saw him

936
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 7: two three years ago. They also changed the way his

937
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 7: change up works. They made the poor of a kind

938
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 7: of a fourth fifth pitch. They changed the grip on it.

939
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 5: Again.

940
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 7: We could do amazing things in this game right now,

941
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 7: with high speed cameras and biomechanists and all sorts of

942
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 7: people who are way smarter than me. I don't know

943
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 7: about y'all who can pitch design and do all those

944
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 7: things that they found a better change up for it.

945
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 7: They also added a two seemer. We're in I mean,

946
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 7: we're in that era right now where a guy can

947
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 7: have a cutter of four seamer and a two seamer

948
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 7: and that's not uncommon.

949
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: They gave him a two seamer.

950
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 7: Maybe it may can be a little bit more pitch

951
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 7: efficient and kind of as a backup in case that

952
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 7: four steamer really wasn't playing well. He only threw it

953
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 7: like thirty percent of the time in the minor leagues

954
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 7: this year.

955
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: But it's there.

956
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 7: It's another weapon, it's another button you can press on

957
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 7: PitchCom at this point. But if he can get that

958
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 7: fastball quality back to where it needs to be, I

959
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 7: have no doubt that he's going to be the guy

960
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 7: that I saw two three years ago absolutely just.

961
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Annihilate the Greensboro Grasshoppers.

962
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 7: What I saw again was surgical, just he did everything

963
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 7: he wanted and another inside baseball kind of tid we

964
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 7: were doing best tools at the time.

965
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: Your readers are really familiar with that.

966
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 7: The Greensboro manager had already submitted his ballot. He called

967
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 7: me after that start and said, change every pitching category

968
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 7: to Andrew Painter, this is unreal. Like he gave up

969
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 7: like two hits that outing over seven, and I think

970
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 7: those two hits were mercy. Like there's bleeders over the

971
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 7: infield or whatever. Just you leave the park just kind

972
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 7: of you think about it your entire seventy minute drive home.

973
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: You don't see that very often.

974
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 6: Hey, Josh, I had us one more question, and this

975
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 6: is sort of off the wall.

976
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 3: But you've seen these guys.

977
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 6: You've seen a sort of an infiltration of coaches and

978
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 6: managers into from college.

979
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 3: Bit to the major leagues.

980
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 5: Don't know what your.

981
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 6: Relationship, if you had any at all with Tony boateello,

982
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 6: how do you think he's going to handle the situation

983
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 6: that he's going to be handed there in San Francisco.

984
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 7: I've only talked to Tony once. I went down to

985
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 7: Knoxville this year to see Liam Doyle and he had

986
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 7: cut the courtesy to throw a no hitter for me.

987
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 7: So that was at least the first five and two

988
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 7: thirds of one. And you talked to Tony afterward. He's

989
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 7: certainly a character, Yes, he is. I have a lot

990
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 7: of thoughts on this. I don't know I think someone

991
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 7: would be out of school. But I will trust a

992
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 7: guy like Buster Posey to evaluate the guy he needs

993
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 7: to do it. You know, Buster Posey is a spark guy.

994
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 7: You know, he played in the big leagues for a

995
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 7: long time, smart enough to when he right. But before

996
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 7: he got hired, the Giants had dumped a bunch of

997
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 7: their pro scouts. One of the first things he did

998
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 7: was hire a bunch of other ones right back. He

999
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 7: didn't say, you know what, we don't need these people.

1000
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 7: We need a blend. And that's you know, I'm I

1001
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 7: have a soft spot in my heart for pro scouts.

1002
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 7: This guy hired him and being so, I'm gonna take

1003
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 7: what he believes he hired some really good ones. He

1004
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 7: made some eight plus hires. Anyway, I trust that he

1005
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 7: made the right decision for his club. That said, I'm

1006
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 7: very It's a different world in college.

1007
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: You know.

1008
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 7: Part of Tennessee being Tennessee is they were able to say, hey,

1009
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 7: you can transfer over here, you can transfer over here.

1010
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: We've got some nil money.

1011
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 7: You're not going to take sho Heo Tani to dinner

1012
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 7: and get him an nil package and get him to

1013
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 7: San Francisco. So there's a there's a big beast in

1014
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 7: the West, and there might be two beasts depending on

1015
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 7: what the Padres do. I'm very curious how much Tony

1016
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 7: can make a difference in San Francisco. I wonder how

1017
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 7: a guy like you know, Raphael Devers is going to

1018
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 7: react to a person or a personality like Tony Bytello's

1019
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 7: established big leaguers are not the same as you know

1020
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 7: eighteen twenty one, twenty two year ol college kids. You

1021
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 7: can't sist boomba ra ra rah your way to a

1022
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 7: title or success. We've seen it where you know, Nick

1023
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 7: Saban was okay in the NFL. Urban Meyer was a

1024
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 7: disaster in the NFL. I'm not saying that's gonna it's

1025
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 7: just gonna be very interesting. And he's relatively young, forty seven.

1026
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 7: He looks way he looks way less, way younger than

1027
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 7: he is. It's the hair, but I I think I'm

1028
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 7: very interested. And the only other thing, too, is I

1029
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 7: really wish there were a bigger pipeline of minor league

1030
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 7: coach than managers to get chances in.

1031
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: The big leagues.

1032
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 7: The other the other guy on the other side of

1033
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 7: the World Series. This year we have Dave Roberts obviously

1034
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 7: played for a long time. John Schneider came up through

1035
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 7: the big leagues or the minor leagues. You know, I've

1036
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 7: talked to him when he was in Double A. He

1037
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 7: coached a lot of these guys. He's got established relationship

1038
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 7: with a lot of these players. You know, managed for Boba,

1039
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 7: Shad and Vladdie and that matters. So Tony's gonna have

1040
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 7: to get relationships with a lot of these guys on

1041
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 7: the flot not all of them. Drew Gilbert obviously was

1042
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 7: one of his kids, and they've got Blade Tidwell, who

1043
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 7: was one of his Maui Yahuna if he gets there

1044
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 7: in San Francisco, is one of his kids. But he's

1045
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 7: gonna have to start now establishing relationships with all twenty

1046
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 7: five twenty six guys on that roster. And last year,

1047
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 7: this is a long answer. Terry Francona when he got

1048
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 7: hired by Cincinnati, I was in the Fall League. He

1049
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 7: came down to the Fall League and was pounding around.

1050
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 7: At that point, they had Christian and Karnassi on strand

1051
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 7: and Matt McClain rehabbing in the Fall League, and he

1052
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 7: came down there and got acquainted with them, and they

1053
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 7: got acquainted with the pro staff, the pro scouts who

1054
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 7: were there at the time, and he you know, ever,

1055
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 7: for three or four days, I was seeing Terry Francona

1056
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 7: just in the parking lot bs ing with various members

1057
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 7: of the Reds organization. So it's November sixth, We've got,

1058
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 7: you know, three months till spring training. He's gonna have

1059
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 7: to start building relationship with all those guys that to

1060
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 7: go into They're having a camp in Oracle right now.

1061
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: With some of their prospects.

1062
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 7: I didn't expect to talk so much about the giants

1063
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 7: in this podcast, but they're having a prospect camp right

1064
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 7: now at San Francisco. I wonder if he's there, maybe

1065
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 7: meeting some of the guys meeting the farm. Well, he's

1066
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 7: probably met some of them. You're in the interview process.

1067
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 7: But there's a lot he needs to do. I wish

1068
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 7: him the best. He's an interesting guy and he will

1069
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 7: definitely be an asset for the visibility of the game

1070
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 7: based on his big personality and if we, if we,

1071
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 7: if he is successful, maybe that's a new avenue to

1072
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 7: get coaching talent to the big leagues.

1073
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: We'll see. So I wish the best of him.

1074
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: Josh, My last question is a little bit more than

1075
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: a month or now.

1076
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: Is the Rule five draft? Okay?

1077
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: And where my boss got very excited.

1078
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: Exactly Staple, Oh yeah, the Rule five draft.

1079
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1080
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: So we know Andrew Painter is going to be protected

1081
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: from the Rule five Yeah, I think so. I would

1082
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: bet based away. Dave Dombrowski is talking about him. Real,

1083
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: Rinconas Junior is protected from the Rule five draft. Maybe not,

1084
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, kind of so it would surprise me

1085
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: if he wasn't. After that, though, Is there anybody else

1086
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: that you think is should be protected or could be

1087
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: protected at I'm gonna throw a couple of names I've

1088
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: heard or you know Alex McFarlane, You know Griff McGarry.

1089
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 3: He wasn't protected last year.

1090
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: He kind of rebounded a little bit this year. Caleb Ricketts,

1091
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: who you mentioned earlier you said is probably a long

1092
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: shot to be protected. Felix Reis and a couple other

1093
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: guys out there. Anybody that I mentioned or didn't mention

1094
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: that you think they don't protect him? He might be

1095
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: somewhere else this spring.

1096
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 7: Now, those are those are all good names, obviously, Painter, Rinconas,

1097
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 7: mccarlan might have a chance. Probably, you know, probably is

1098
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 7: a reliever at this point in his career. And I

1099
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 7: will give a shout out here to Matt Winkleman and

1100
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 7: the Phillies. Minor thoughts grew. I stole their list of

1101
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 7: guys who are Rule five eligible. They didn't want to

1102
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 7: bug my boss at whatever time at night mentioned Cala Bricketts.

1103
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 7: I think there's an outside chance catching the the dearth

1104
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 7: of catching in the big leagues might give him a chance.

1105
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 7: One other guy that they brought up, one of the

1106
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 7: people brought up I don't know about necessarily for protection,

1107
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 7: but maybe for the list is a writing named salt

1108
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 7: Tehran who went to it was in Double A this year.

1109
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: It's a It's a bastard slider, no question about it.

1110
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

1111
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 7: He had some successive a little older. He did most

1112
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 7: of his damage at a Class A. But that's a

1113
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 7: real swing and Mispitch I would be stunned, lightly stunned

1114
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 7: if he was protected, but because I don't think there's

1115
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 7: a risk of a big league club taking him and

1116
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 7: holding him for the entire year. But he's got the

1117
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 7: stuff to be a big leaguer at some point. I

1118
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 7: wouldn't be surprised if He's at the back of my list.

1119
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 7: Nobody else jumps out on the among this group. They

1120
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 7: mentioned Daniel Harper at some points, a guy who could

1121
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 7: have been in the big leagues this year but it

1122
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 7: didn't work out, and he hasn't. I don't think he's

1123
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 7: had as strong as go about it in the in

1124
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 7: the fall League. I'm looking down this list here, that's

1125
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 7: pretty much it. I think I would they surprised me,

1126
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 7: to surprise me, but those are the names that jump out.

1127
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: Got it, Josh, Josh, thanks so much for the time, man.

1128
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: We it was fun going through your top ten Baseball

1129
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: America's Top ten list and talking about somebody's on the

1130
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: radar guys and and all that.

1131
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 3: So thank you.

1132
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, great stuff, Josh, thanks so much for taking the time.

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00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 3: That was terrific.