1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to work in Progress. Welcome 2 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: back to work in Progress friends. We have a guest 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: that I am just delighted to host today. She is 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: someone I have looked up to for such a long time, 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: a woman who has never fit in a single box. 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: We are joined today by none other than the iconic 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Rosio O'Donnell from her incredible career in stand up, daytime, television, film, 8 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: broadway activism. No, I didn't geek out on her about 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: a league of their own, but you know I wanted to. 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: She has built a career defined by being undefinable. She 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: has been a courageous leader on the forefront of social goodness, 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: and in recent years her bravery and her candor the 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: things that she's lived with for aids in the public eye, 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: have only sharpened. She's expanded her life beyond familiar borders, 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: and I mean that geographically, politically, and creatively. And this 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: summer she is launching here in the US in New 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: York City, a new live, one woman show called Common 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Knowledge that is tapping into everything that she believes is 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: true and more. It's commentary without filter, it's comedy, storytelling, 20 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: its richness about human life, and it's something that is 21 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: uniquely Rosi o' donal. Today I get to ask her 22 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: all about her upbringing, the history and events that shaped her, 23 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and why she thinks comedy cuts through all the noise. 24 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: Let's dive in with Rosi o' donald. 25 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, we got Rosie O'Donnell on the Stones. Hello. 26 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm so excited that you're here. 27 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I did some reading on you because 28 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: my daughter said, oh my god, Sophia Bush and I 29 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: was like, is she related to any of the Bush 30 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: from She's an actress from One Tree Hill, which I 31 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: didn't Now I feel horrible that I didn't watch it. 32 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: You don't need to feel horrible about it. 33 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: Well, I would have liked to have, you know, seen 34 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: your work. But you know, apparently everyone says you're really 35 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: killing it on this podcast thing. 36 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. I just I love it, you know, 37 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: it's I recently went and got to guest host your 38 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: old show. I went to hang out with all the 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: ladies on the View. 40 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: How was that? 41 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: It was so fun? But I said, I said, you know, 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: the View and Oprah like, your Show's raised me. And 43 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: when I think about being able to watch not just 44 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: women whose work I loved, you know, professionals who like 45 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: do great comedy and great things. But watching you all 46 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: sit down and have conversations about what matters you know, 47 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: you you really you're like one of the original users 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: of a platform for good. So I have to thank you. 49 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: Very very nice, thank you for saying that. I mean, 50 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: I'll tell you the God's honest truth is that when 51 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: I was little and my mother was sick, I thought, 52 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: if Barbara Streisand's mother was sick, she would go on 53 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: the Tonight Show at Johnny Carson and ask everyone to 54 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: send ten dollars, and everyone would and they'd get a 55 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: thousand dollars and they'd get the mother the medicine that 56 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: they needed. So I knew there was power in celebrity, 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: and to me there was a one. It was Barbara Streisand, right, 58 00:03:54,600 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: So if I wanted to be famous at all, it 59 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: was because of that. Yeah, I wanted to be in 60 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: the Justice League. I thought, when I achieved a level 61 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: of success and financial something, we would form a women's 62 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: Justice League and it would be like, you know, Gloria 63 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: Steinem and obrah and Diane Sawyer and Katie Curic and 64 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: Maya Angelou and Adola Shabaz and you know, and I 65 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: would join because I would have my own charity and 66 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: I would do right and we would solve the problems 67 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 2: of children in America. You know, That's that's what I 68 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: fantasized was going to happen from fame. 69 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody else talk about even something adjacent 70 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: to what I thought as a kid. That's so cool. Yeah, 71 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: and I wonder too, you know, you say it, and 72 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: it's like we had all those women, those examples, and 73 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, as much as I know the role can 74 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: be reductionist in certain senses, we also grew up watching 75 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: all these ladies do good for kids and families. So 76 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: you kind of figure, oh, when the women get to 77 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: the upper echelon, that's what they do. They solve things 78 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: for the women and the children. 79 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: And yes, and and that was my belief, like not 80 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: just wish, that was my belief that this would all happen. 81 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: And you know, I have that belief that there's going 82 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: to be all the women bonding together, all the powerful 83 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 2: women bonding together and saying, you know, we've had enough 84 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: of this, yeah, and this epstein Uh situation and this 85 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: you know, child abuse and this listen, Yeah, you're here, America. 86 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: We don't have the choice to pretend it's not happening. 87 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: Right, right. What a surreal thing too, when you when 88 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: you consider the last couple of decades, you watch, you know, 89 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: we have we had the historic miter and then we 90 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: began to shift the percentages of power in Congress. And 91 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: you watched a version of the Justice League, right, the 92 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: women launched Times Up and the lead of Defense Fund. 93 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: And look at the backlash. I mean you look at 94 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: these fascists. You look at Pete Heggsa's pastor on NPR 95 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: yesterday saying they're going to take away women's right to vote. 96 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: Look at his tattoo. I got's sake, I branded himself 97 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: with that. Yes, okay, America, no more willful blindness. 98 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: I know it. 99 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: Before there's trouble at the gates, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, 100 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: at the gates the border of Mexico. We're talking about 101 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: the decency gates. They have a leak in them. We 102 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: need to solve this crisis. And I don't get, really, Sophia, 103 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: I don't get why so little has happened with so 104 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 2: much proof. 105 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: I know it. That's the part that's crazy to me 106 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: because we know and the wilfulness, you know, when you 107 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: think about all the proof in the files. And I 108 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: went into the Epstein reading room here in New York. 109 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: We held the It was a fantastic experience and also 110 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: absolutely just gut wrenching. But you stand in this space 111 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: and you go like, this is all evidence, and they 112 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: don't want to believe it. And yet when women say 113 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: this happens to us, they say, we're lying. Oh what 114 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: a false accusation will do. Oh these women, oh, they oh, 115 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: they ask for too much. You know, we've had one 116 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: generation of essential equality, not even total equality, but essential 117 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: Like I was born into at least an era where 118 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: I was the first generation that didn't have to have 119 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: a man co sign on my rent or a mortgage. 120 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm forty three, so it would have taken 121 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: me until I was six to be able to get 122 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: a small business loan. So like, this is why I 123 00:07:54,880 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: say essential equality. But it's all rolling back. And I 124 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: wonder when you think about it, because the central tenant 125 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: for you, change the world for women and children, central 126 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: tenant for me. And you spoke about the aha moment 127 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: when you were little and your mom was sick, and 128 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: I wonder, I ask everyone who comes on the show 129 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: to think about themselves around eight or nine years old, 130 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: and I wonder if that if you got to encounter 131 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: that little version of yourself, would she see herself in you? 132 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: Would you see yourself in her? And how close was 133 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: it to that age that you had your ah, we 134 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: have to change the world for other kids' moment. 135 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: The first moment that I remember being undone by was 136 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: the news footage from the Vietnam War, the former spot 137 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: on and there was a plane, there was a locked shot, 138 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: and there was a plane that was pushed like this 139 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: big in the screen, and one of those walk upstairs 140 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: was pushed on and it was jam packed with people 141 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: and the reporters talking and the people are climbing up 142 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: and an old woman gets kicked or pushed and she 143 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: falls out of the screen. And I started crying, and 144 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: my father couldn't console me. And my feelings always were 145 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: a little bit too much and yeah, and so highly 146 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: sensitive people, I think in some ways right. I saw 147 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: Alanis Morris Thatt's documentary on that, and I thought, I 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: completely relate to that. You know, why do you care? 149 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: It's not happening to you was the common refrain that 150 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: I always get, this is not happening to you. I 151 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: know it's not to happen to me in order for 152 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: me to have feelings about it. I know people like that. 153 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 2: I've worked with people like that. When there was a 154 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: story that related to a group that they didn't I 155 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: was worthy, there would be little if any interest, you know, 156 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: but somebody similar to them was the only way in 157 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: someone different than them was a no entry zone. 158 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an immediate closed door. 159 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: And I don't think they know it, you know. But 160 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: you know the point is I knew early on that 161 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: I had to try to do something to help, right 162 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 2: I wanted my mother had died, but I wanted my 163 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: father to adopt a Vietnamese baby because it was a 164 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 2: plane full of babies that crashed. This is right after 165 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: my mother died. I'm like in a turmoil. You know, 166 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: no one's talking about it, and you know, I dreamed 167 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: of doing Broadway with Barber Streis. Wow, that was my 168 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: delusion that got me kind of, you know, out of 169 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: the the stuff. You know. 170 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: What an incredible thing though, that as a child who 171 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: was experiencing grief, you immediately related to the grief of 172 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: others in thought, if I can't solve my own, maybe 173 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: my own can make space for someone else to have 174 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: less grief. Maybe we can welcome someone in to this 175 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: hole we're living with and do some good with it. 176 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: And the flip side was and maybe the big way 177 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: to solve all of it, maybe the Justice League comes 178 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: from following the thing that makes me the happiest. I 179 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: could then maybe fill holes for everybody else. That's pretty profound, Rosie. 180 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's the way my brain works. And it's 181 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: kind of hard because I don't always understand in some 182 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: ways why people don't see it, like it's beyond my 183 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: comprehension because of what I do feel, and ably I 184 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: can't believe that people don't see it. Like I don't know, 185 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, and I feel with 186 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: every ounce of my being that the only way to 187 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: heal is to welcome them back. Because they were lied 188 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: to by billionaire corporate executives. Yes, about a man who 189 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: was now president that was pure fiction, and they sold 190 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: it as fact and you believed it. And he's robbing 191 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: the country and raping and pillaging people metaphorically and physically 192 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: literally evidence to prove it yes, and he's hiding it 193 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 2: from us. Yes, and why doesn't everyone see this? 194 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make this 195 00:12:47,800 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: show possible. Do you think that because it's so obvious 196 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: and the sort of shame that comes with admitting you've 197 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: been duped is so big that people are doubling down 198 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: because they can't bear the pain of what they assisted. 199 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: Listen, I think we all have to come to that 200 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: point in some way or another in our own lives. 201 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: And we can all name that moment right right now, 202 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: when I, you know, tricked into thinking something was different 203 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 2: than really was and what was the damage done to it? 204 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 2: You know, well, what's the damage done to our country? 205 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: There are many metrics which we can look at. None 206 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: of them are good. Yeah, and it's now or never. 207 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, Paul Revere and the and 208 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 2: the Boy who Cried Wolf all at the same time, 209 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, you people, are you not not? You know? 210 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: I when when I'm doing this one woman show in 211 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: New York and when I rehearse the lines just sitting 212 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: by myself at night, my kid in the other room, 213 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: thirteen years old, goes, that's a lie, Mom, I never 214 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: said that. That is absolutely unsure. You're exaggerating Again, I go, 215 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: I'm just rehearsing. Let me do it. I don't like 216 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: that you do this show. I don't think you should 217 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: do it. And I tried to explain, here's how mommy 218 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: makes a lie. As an artist, I take the true 219 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: things that happen and I make something beautiful out of them. Yeah, 220 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: and so what's happened to me in the last dozen 221 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: years is you. It's been you me for a dozen years. Yeah, 222 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: that's what I've been doing. And so this is about 223 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: you and me. Wow, you're a good team. Kid. But 224 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: I understand. My other children said the same thing, you know. 225 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 2: I told her that. I said your siblings felt the same. Yes, 226 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: And it's not like I don't care. I do care. 227 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: And I don't think it's easy to have a famous mother, 228 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: especially one who fails the need to tell everyone everything right. 229 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: But there's something really interesting in that too, you know. Comedy. 230 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: Comedy cuts through noise and polarity, and it manages to 231 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: get everybody in the same room in a way that 232 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't think anything else does. 233 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: I think you're right. 234 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like it also takes a certain courage, you know, 235 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait to come see the show. By the way, 236 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: we'll get to the show. But I'm thinking about it, Like, 237 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big emotional puddle all the time, 238 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: and I have a sense of humor. And when I 239 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: really get fired up about something, especially politics, people are like, 240 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: why don't you do comedy? And I'm like, I think 241 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: I would. I would die. But I can write, you know, 242 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: very emotional observations. And I'm coming near the to the 243 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: end of writing my first book, and I think about 244 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: this thing that your kid is talking about, like what 245 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: are you doing telling the stories? But when you tell 246 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: the stories with humor, I don't know, it takes all 247 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: the tension out of the room. Do you think comedy 248 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: became part of your identity because in a big Irish 249 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Catholic family, you know, I know, because I have them, 250 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: Like it's a it's a noisy household. You got to 251 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: figure out how to be heard or or did you 252 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: find it as a as a language to sort of 253 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: give yourself the mic in a world that didn't really 254 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: want to listen to women, let alone queer women, let 255 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: alone smart women. God forbid, you're smart and politically opinionated, 256 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, Like how did you find it to get 257 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: to this point? 258 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: Now? You know I had so many You know, I 259 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: was born in nineteen sixty two, so I remember Vietnam. Yeah, 260 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: I remember the neighbor, Charlie Kassick, coming back with a 261 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 2: hole in his helmet and showing us because my mother 262 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: put a big twin sheet that she wrote Welcome home 263 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: Charlie in red paint on and she hung it from 264 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: our windows of our bedroom and we walked over and 265 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: I'm young, you know, I'm young in this story, and 266 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: we give Charlie Kussick the steak. Now, we didn't rarely 267 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: have steak a lot because it was expensive, but we 268 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: made my mother made a special dinner. And she wasn't 269 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: a particularly good cook, very oldish meat and potatoes, not 270 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: a lot of seasoning, but she brought that over there. 271 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 2: So I remember that. I remember the women's movement. I 272 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 2: remember getting our bodies ourselves in seventh grade from a 273 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 2: math teacher who was a feminine. Then, you know, I 274 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: would go to women's bookstores. I would read Glorious Dina, 275 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: Miss magazine. I subscribed right away to MS magazine. I 276 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: MS was the greatest thing in the world. And you 277 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: know when Trump attacked me. I thought, well, watch what 278 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: happens when the National Organization of Women. Here's what he 279 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: just did. And guess what happened? Nothing? Yeah, And I 280 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: was like, no, are you serious? I'm serious this this 281 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: joke of a human. You're gonna let him do this 282 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: to me? Everybody else? Like, I was like, And he 283 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: went on shows with you know, other entertainers, comedians. Yeah, 284 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: so he went on those shows and talked to them 285 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: and you know, ha, ha, isn't that funny? Isn't that funny? 286 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: For twenty years? 287 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me, Rosie, he's so obsessed with you. 288 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 2: Like he's serious. Theory. We both grew up in Long Island. 289 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: He grew up in Queens. I grew grew up in Comack. I'm, 290 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: you know, twenty years younger than him. Right, he's eighty, 291 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 2: I'm sixty. I'm sixty four, he's eighty whatever he is. Yeah, 292 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: So he grew up with girls like me, tough, probably 293 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: gay Irish girls who didn't take from no stupid rich boy, 294 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: wanna be asshole, liar, megalomaniac, no social skills, no empathy, 295 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: no compassion. I would have told him to his face 296 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: in third, fourth, fifth, grade. And I think when I 297 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: did it to him, quote unquote on the view, he 298 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: couldn't believe that I had the balls to attack him 299 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: because he thinks he is heralded and held up and 300 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: belongs on Mount Rushmore and you know solved one hundred 301 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: and eight wars and is the number one person on 302 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: tic TAC And you know, dumb has a B at 303 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: the end in it. This is the president of the 304 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: United States of America doesn't understand that he's being tested 305 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: for dementia when he brags about acing his cognitive tests. 306 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? 307 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: It's absolutely unbelievable. 308 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: It's also wild to me how just childish he is, 309 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: Like my favorite thing, the thing I say now my 310 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: Trump too, like well there we go is constantly like 311 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: and another one for he is not smarter than a 312 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: fifth grader, Like he couldn't beat a fifth grader on 313 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: that game show. And he acts like a kid. He's 314 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 1: like he is like the cranky little rich kid in 315 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: Willy Wonka who can't share his toys. Yeah, even with 316 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: the Kennedy Center, like they made him take off. I 317 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: keep I was saying online that you know he put 318 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: his like press on name up there like press on 319 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: nails and they ripped it off, and he's so angry 320 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: that he put a tarp over the Kennedy Center And 321 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: like I retweet one of the articles. I talked about 322 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: this man all day, every day. It's what I do. 323 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: Here's a question, why is it still up? I know? 324 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: Are you telling me no person could go and figure 325 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: out how to take it down on what authority? I 326 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: just block the name of the JFK Performing Arts Center. 327 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: We can't allow him to call FEIFA and change the 328 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: soccer score. You don't think he thinks he's all powerful? Now, 329 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 2: fuck you FEIF A man? Fuck you really what you 330 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: gave him that piece award because he didn't get the modell. 331 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: You're like as corrupt as he is. 332 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I know, the piece of change. 333 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: And let our guy go in the best guy in 334 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 2: a game where he's supposed to sit out, and you 335 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: think that's fair and that's not news in America. How 336 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: shameful it is, and that that man didn't stand up 337 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: and say I refuse, Yeah, I refuse to play today 338 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 2: because I was given a red card and those are 339 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: the rules of the game that I love and I've 340 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: given my life to. 341 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty crazy, and even the fact that you know, 342 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: I did I did hear. I don't know if I 343 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: believe it. I don't know what to believe anymore. The 344 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: news is insane. 345 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: That's so true. 346 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: But like, you know, the one of the guys from 347 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: FIFA got up and was like, listen, First of all, 348 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: the president can call whoever he wants. It's a completely 349 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: independent board that reviews this. I have nothing to do 350 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: with it. I had nothing to do with this. YadA YadA. 351 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: All the refs made the decision. You know, they said 352 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: something like MESSI did the same thing, didn't even get 353 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: a foul, let alone a red card. 354 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: Whatever. 355 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care. What makes me crazy 356 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: is even the suggestion that he would ay if he's 357 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: powerless and just wants to take credit. He's again, he's 358 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: a petty little bitch boy, which is what I called 359 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: him on the internet, and bray Burke got very upset 360 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: with me, and I was like, that's the seventh nicest 361 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: thing I've called him this week, Like, what are you 362 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: talking about? 363 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 2: Badly kidding me? With all of the things that you 364 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: could say about this man that. 365 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: I know it, that's like a gift exactly. I was like, 366 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: he is, he can't share it. You don't think this 367 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: is petty. He's the President of the United States is 368 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: putting a tarp over the Kennedy Center, Like, what are 369 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: we doing? But so it's like the thing for me 370 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: with Febas. If he's just saying, oh, I did it 371 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: and he knows he didn't, he's a child. And if 372 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: he's saying I did it and he tried to do it, 373 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: he's a criminal. Like the fact that we're tolerating. You know, 374 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: this is this is the office of. 375 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:53,239 Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter exactly. Peanut farm. Like peanut farm, but go 376 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: ahead and make a couple of billion dollars for you 377 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: and your corrupt children who stole from charity. So you 378 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: don't have the right to have a charity in New 379 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: York anymore, or anyone in your family. How about that 380 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: president of the United States of America. 381 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: They can't operate a charity, but they're launching the meme coins. 382 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it is so crazy to me. 383 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, but why why isn't anyone doing anything? I know, Sophia, seriously. 384 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: Why And that's something I really appreciated about the thing 385 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: Larry David just released, you know, the sort of spoof 386 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: talking about, well, don't worry. Even if the guy, even 387 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: if somebody like this did get into office, the Congress 388 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: would do their job. And it's like, but they're not. 389 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: But they're not, you know, they're not. And history is 390 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 2: recording all of it. History is recording all of it. 391 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 2: All of you people who stood by him, all of 392 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: these defense who okayed all of his racist, bigoted, unfair, criminal, 393 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: crooked behavior. You're all going to go down with him. Yeah, 394 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: and you deserve to. 395 00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors. You know what 396 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: I think makes me crazy is when you consider, you know, 397 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 1: put them put the morals in column A and and 398 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: go into columb go into the math. When you think 399 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: about the way America has grown, has innovated, has boomed 400 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: with scientific innovation, technological innovation, with you know, entrepreneurship. When 401 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: you look at the schism in the economy that began 402 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: when they started changing all the tax laws for the 403 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: ultra wealthy, and this wealth gap that is widened in 404 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: our country, the idea that anybody can get ahead here 405 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: now is a ruse. It's a fallacy. And you see 406 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: like the ultra rich getting so so rich, and people 407 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: at the bottom remaining there. The cost of you know, 408 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: has increased by thirty to fifty percent depending on where 409 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: you live, but minimum wage has not gone up. And 410 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: they're telling you it's because of your neighbor, not because 411 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: of the ultra wealthy that are literally hoarding the money 412 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: from everyone else. And that's what's hard for no taxes, 413 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: I know, And that's what's hard for. 414 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: Meeting government subsidies. And yeah, it's a billionaire ponzie scheme. Yeah, 415 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: and that's what they're doing. 416 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: And doctor King called that out. Yes, you know, we've 417 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: been talking about this since the sixties. 418 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: He was never a successful businessman. They never could quantify 419 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 2: his wealth in order to put him on the Forbes list, 420 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: and every year he called and complained to them, but 421 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 2: they had to like announce, well, there's no way to 422 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 2: quantify what he says his wealth is. 423 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't put it rifter. 424 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: And you know, like I said on the View all 425 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: those years ago, he's like, you know, a snake oil 426 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: salesman on Little House on the Prairie. Yeah, that's right, 427 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: And it's very hard for people to realize that they 428 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 2: fell for it. But it's not your fault. You were 429 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 2: fed this lie for ten years from the Celebrity Apprentice 430 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: when there was video of who he really is and 431 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: saying the way things says about minorities, and they hid 432 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: that too. Look what he does, Look what he says, 433 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: Look who he is. Yeah, this is the best the 434 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: United States has to offer. 435 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: Does it ever? Because look, you you strike me as 436 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: a person. Well I know this about you as at 437 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: least an observer who's always looked up to you, and 438 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: the way you use your platform. But I also know 439 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: what it's like to be a woman who uses her 440 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: platform and what comes with it. Have there ever been 441 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: moments where you are afraid to say something? Or do 442 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: you think your commitment to telling it like you see 443 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: it to the truth is bigger than the sum of 444 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: all your. 445 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: Parts, totally bigger. Because I was afraid at the Million 446 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: My March. They made me wear a mettle vest, a 447 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: gun vest whatever, bulletproof vest. I was scared there. Yeah, 448 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: where Martin Luther King spoke, I was the host of that. 449 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: After Columbine, I couldn't believe children were being shot in 450 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 2: schools in America. It was when I had to go 451 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: on medication. I was having dreams at night that people 452 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: were in my house with guns and shooting my children, 453 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: and I would wake up in a cold sweat, and 454 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: I was with my show still and trying to like 455 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: pretend like everything was okay, but I was not okay. 456 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: And and then I got medicated, and you know, I 457 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: thank god, I was medicated when nine to eleven happened, 458 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: thank god. And then when Katrina happened, you know, and 459 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: world events have a strong undertow for me, one that 460 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: I'm only learning how to resist because you know, everyone 461 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 2: is just one person, and you may think that this 462 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: is the right way to do it, but other people 463 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 2: have their own way of being in the world. And 464 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: who am I to say you have to do it 465 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: my way? You know, you have to find your tribe, 466 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: the people who want to do and inspire you to 467 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 2: be better. Like for me, Mark Ruffalo, I was lucky 468 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: enough to work with Mark Ruffalo on an HBO series 469 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: that we did, and I love him very much, and 470 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of him and his advocacy and his 471 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: musing his platform and his voice. And I look up 472 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: to him tremendously, you know, and Cynthia Nixon, like there 473 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: are people that I have met and know and love 474 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: that are the same. You know, whether or not you 475 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: think that's good or bad, that's for you to decide. 476 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: But to me, it's your responsibility. If you've been given 477 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: so much by this country. Yeah, use your voice to 478 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: say hold on people, because we are on a scary slope. 479 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: And it's not like fascists are at the door. They're 480 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: in the Supreme Court. 481 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're everywhere. 482 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, time to wake up in case of emergency, 483 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: break glass, break the glass, pull the alarm. It's now, 484 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: it's now, it's right now, you know. And artists have 485 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: to do their best to keep creating, to keep being funny, 486 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: to keep being brave. Yeah, artists, you know, have something 487 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: to say that people follow. 488 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, but you've been brave a long time. I 489 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: mean you, thank you. 490 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: Sorry, It's okay. 491 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Even when I think you know about the personal the 492 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: personal courage, not just using your voice to talk about 493 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: what's going on in the world, you know, for other people, 494 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: for community, but with yourself, I mean you spoke. I 495 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: think the first time you spoke publicly about being gay 496 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: was two thousand and two, right, it was in a. 497 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: Set, Yes, it was Diane Sawyer. Yeah, it was after 498 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: nine to eleven is what I remember, and everything changed 499 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: after nine to eleven. I was very lucky that not 500 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: even happened. And then six months later I was off. 501 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: Now they had asked me at the beginning of the 502 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: season to re sign, but I wouldn't. But they kept 503 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: making it more and more money, and it was crazy money. Wow, 504 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: it already had crazy And I knew I wanted to 505 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: go to my kids plays at school, and I knew 506 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to be a participatory mother in a way 507 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: that my mother didn't get to be. So I said no, 508 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 2: you know, but that was right near where I was 509 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: driving off the exit, you know, of select eat them. 510 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna take a right turn here, 511 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to see how I can do. 512 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: And you know, because make no mistake, it's a drug, 513 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: you know, fame is a drug. And I'm a little 514 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 2: bit refamous now. It's weird. That's what my kids are 515 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: calling it. Mommy, You're re famous, And it's true because 516 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 2: the times and the perception has changed in the country, 517 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: and I can feel it. There's a shift. There's been 518 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: a shift and people are waking up and seeing and 519 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 2: now it's just in the doing. So what do we do? 520 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: Are you telling me that we don't have as many smart, 521 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: brilliant people on the side of truth that I'm going 522 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: to say, this is how you fix this problem, because 523 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: this is a problem for America. 524 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: I just want to pick Rosie's brain forever. So join 525 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: us for part two. We'll see you back here soon