WEBVTT - NLP Book Club | MiniPod 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 Well come, well come, welcome, well, come, well, come, welcome, 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:11.400 Welcome home everybody. This is Keiviny Cross, Angela, Rye and 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.560 A and Gill and this is a mini pod and 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:14.800 we don't know what we're about to talk about. 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.600 Yes, that was Angela's suggestion that we wait and figure 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.360 out what we're going to talk about. And I was saying, 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:24.960 listen record, yeah, which, well, we've heard you guys in 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:27.800 the audience ask us about what we're reading, what we 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.000 like to read, and so I thought this might be 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.360 a good opportunity for the co host to share some 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.280 of their favorite books and things we would recommend to 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.760 you guys. I know I have a lot. I, as 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.840 I talked about, have read Charles Blow's book The Devil, 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.200 you know, so I would love for folks to read 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.639 that we can have a conversation about it. I am 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:51.400 reading The Color of Money, Wealth and Black Banks. I 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.680 might have the subtitle wrong, but it's MRSA but Darridon. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.080 I think that's my fair name. I had her on 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.640 my show some years ago and started the book and 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.639 in bear so did not finish it. And I hate 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.440 when folks, when people do that. This is a question 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.640 I'll ask you, guys, I might be a bit of 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.720 a I don't think it's snobbery. I think it's just 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.560 the art of reading. I do not think audio listen. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.800 When people say they listen to the audiobook, I don't 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.680 know if that's reading. And I say that because, like 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:24.720 your brain literally processes it differently and for the right 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.559 like when you read something, you're comprehended. It's the difference 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.880 between listening to a podcast like y'all are doing now, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.280 versus actually reading the words, like your brain literally processes it. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.200 And so you know, and you have friends with kids 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:37.800 and they're like, oh, I did the audiobook, and the 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.920 parents are like, no, no, no, you need to read 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.760 the book. I think if I had kids, i'd be 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.040 one of those parents, like, you have to strengthen that skill. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.520 You have to read. So do you all think that 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.240 audio books counts as reading? 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.920 Yeah, if you are an auditory learner, yeah what some 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.680 people are. Some people like I need to hear it 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:05.120 out loud. In fact, when I'm actually reading, whether it's 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.720 a report or a book or even an article, sometimes 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:12.200 I will say out loud to myself a piece that 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:17.600 is something I want to want to remember, a piece 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.400 that I may want to go back to now. I 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.800 love I love physical books because I like writing in them. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.440 I got tabs for days. If you wanted to get 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.800 me a you know, a gift and you don't know 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.760 what I like, she just get me some post its 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:37.360 because they're going to end up in books the flags. Yeah, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.160 all of that. I love it, and mainly because I 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.880 even commit you know, certain passages to memory when they're 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.000 really you know, that thought provoking and that kind of thing. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.360 But yeah, I think audio books work just as fine. 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.640 I tell my kids all the time because my son, Jackson, particularly, 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.240 who's a really competitive reader, you know, wants me to 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.560 know that he started the day at page twenty three 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.160 and he ended at one hundred and twenty. I said, 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.720 well that's good, Jackson, but do you remember what you read? 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.200 But I would not object to at you know, at 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.440 some point when they get introduced to audio books to 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.120 them listening as well, we're gonna get the fundamentals of 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.120 reading down. We're gonna get the fundamentals of you know, uh, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.160 you know, root words, because it's going to be important 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.560 for you at some some point in time. But I 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.720 will tell you I have I have I have a 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.400 question one, does it make a difference to you listening 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.640 versus reading yourself fiction nonfiction, Because I'll say this, for me, 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:40.280 I am I don't read fiction at all. In fact, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.400 my therapist has told me you've got to you have 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.720 got to read more fiction. It is where the imagination. Yes, 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.240 you know it exists, and I'm so like, no, no, no, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:52.760 But why would I waste my time on that one? 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.360 I know if I read this, this is history, this 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.360 is this, this is you know, these are things that 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:01.200 I can put under my under my tool bell. So 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:02.960 I got to still make that adjustment. But I do 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.800 wonder whether or not it would be different for me 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:09.440 if I were listening to an audiobook of a fiction 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.600 story versus an audio book of a fact story. And 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.680 I wonder if it makes a difference to either of you. 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:22.480 I will say, Lenard actually suggests reading the book and 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.719 listening to it at the same time. He was telling 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.680 me that it was a good experience, and he did 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.719 it with Viola Davis's book. So I did that with 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.040 Viola Davis's book, and I agree. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.760 So I think it depends. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.800 I definitely am somebody the way my mind moves if 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.799 I'm just listening to the audio book and I start 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.800 looking at something else or like I'm texting at the 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:42.960 same time, you can forget it. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:44.920 I basically have blocked everything out. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.799 But if I'm concentrating just on that book or closing 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.240 my eyes and just listening to that book, it helps. 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:54.159 But I did appreciate the experience of reading and listening 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:54.880 at the same time. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.000 Plus fiction nonfiction equal leader. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.919 I'm not I'm not a fiction person. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.320 I think that there was a time, like growing up, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.880 where I was more of a fiction person. But I 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.240 think now there's so much going on. I feel like, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.120 if I'm going to be reading, I wanted to be 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:15.320 historical based, strategy based, political based, economics based, something with 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.240 some solutions in there. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:17.320 Yes, so I do know. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.359 The last fiction book that I was really into is 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.320 Derek Beale Faces at the Bottom of the Well in 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.760 law school, and it was because I could see it 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.600 and here we are about to get shipped off the 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:28.919 hill to. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:29.760 Marsh right now. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.599 So I mean I understand it. I asly has a 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.080 little tinge of accuracy. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.359 I go through about a book a week, and I 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.159 try to go back and forth. If one week it's fiction, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.120 the next week, I'll try to do nonfiction, but I 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.800 really enjoy fiction. Angela. You talked about finding me Viola Davis. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.640 That book was therapy for me. I mean that book, 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.400 Viola Davis, just so I couldn't read or listen to that. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.800 I read that, and I can't do audio at the 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.000 same time as reading because our are different. And I'll 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.400 read something over, like if a paragraph or even a 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.520 sentence it's just beautifully constructed, I will read that over 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.560 and over and over and over. Tony Morrison said, ones 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.480 which I it is a torturous process to write. I 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:17.560 don't believe in ghostwriters either, because not that ghostwriters can't 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.719 have good books, but when people say I wrote a book, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.320 I'm like, well, did you write or did you have 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:25.160 a ghostwriter? Because when you are writing Tony Morrison, when 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.520 I was fourteen, I was listening to a conversation with 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:32.279 her and Oprah and she was saying that as a writer, 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.360 you will take one sentence and structure it in every 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.279 possible way to make it the point that you want 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.320 to see what works. And I tried to have a 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.760 discipline to do that. And it is a torturous process 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.640 and so but it's also a beautiful process when you're 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.080 all done. So I like the way that fiction doesn't 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.440 constrict you to the realms of reality that you know. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.000 It can still you can learn from it. It can 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.800 still based in history, but it's beautiful writing that you 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.400 know deeply explores. And with fiction, they're more than likely 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.600 is not a ghostwriter. With nonfiction sometimes, I think it's 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.400 particularly with biographies, people will, you know, hire somebody. I 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.200 know a lot of people who are like hired ghostwriters 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.920 who offered They're like, hey, I could write this chapter 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.080 for you, and I'm like, as if I would never 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.680 you know, I want to construct this myself. But this 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.600 leaves me I have some sound that I want us 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.480 to listen to from a writer that I thought was 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.800 so amazing. She since passed away, but I'm sure many 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.920 of you have read Octavia Butler. Probably not you, Andrew, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:39.360 since you or you Angela, I guess since you guys 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.320 don't read fiction, but her work it speaks to so 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.480 much that's happening right now. And she actually made a 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.520 good point I think, around just the process of writing, 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.080 but also how she bases it in what's happening in society. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.720 And she was so far ahead of her time, So 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:53.360 take a listen. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.320 I got the idea for it when I heard someone 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:01.160 answer a political question with a political slogan, and he 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:05.440 didn't seem to realize that he was quoting somebody. He 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.960 seemed to have thought that he had a creative thought there, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:15.600 And I wrote this verse. Beware, all too often we 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:22.080 say what we hear others say, We think what we 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:27.080 are told that we think, we see what we are 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:32.360 permitted to see. Worse, we see what we are told 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:37.960 that we see. Repetition and pride are the keys to this. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:44.400 To see and to hear even an obvious lie again 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.960 and again and again may be to say it almost 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:55.280 by reflex, then to defend it because we have said it, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.880 and at last to embrace it because we've defended it, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.720 and because we cannot admit that we've embraced and defended 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:12.480 an obvious lie. Thus, without thought, without intent, we make 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:17.480 mere echoes of ourselves, and we say what we hear 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.000 others say. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.320 This is a work of fiction, But that beautifully constructed paragraph, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.320 I think speaks to so much of what's happening in 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:31.160 society about how we will regurgitate a lie. And I 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.640 don't mean maga Republicans, you know, obviously that happens, but 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.800 I even mean amongst ourselves because something existed, or because 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.079 you know, we will take We talked about this in parody. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.600 You know, Fox News will run a piece and then 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.600 the Shade Room will post it. You know, it's it 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:52.599 is something where it dulls our intellect and it declines 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:57.360 our reasoned thinking. And so I don't know, I think 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.200 there are some lessons to learn in But when she 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.960 talked about that, I just thought, wow, that's true. I 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.480 see that happening a lot from some things that took 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.240 place in the Black Church that I, you know, don't 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.920 agree with in adulthood. But people, you know, it's it's orthodoxy, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.160 you know, it's culture. These axioms become principal after a while. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.000 And if we just imagine, but what if this is 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.040 not the case. What if this man saying this to 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:28.320 me is wrong? What if this leader projecting this to 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.280 me is incorrect? What if this leader really wants to 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.200 rule and not lead and just to question everything around me? 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:40.320 So fiction, I would say, can invite that kind of Yeah. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.680 Well that was beautiful. And what I loved about it is, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:47.600 she said, Miss Butler, the obvious lie, right is obviously 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.840 not the truth. So we're not debating whether another is 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.600 true or false. We all are looking at the thing 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:56.280 and saying it's not true, and then yeah, we keep listening, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.000 and then we start to repeat, and then the repeating 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:03.320 becomes the you know, our foundation of defense, and we 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.600 fight over it. And now we've gotten so deep in 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.760 we cannot even acknowledge that we all knew it was 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:11.679 a lie. And I just kept running with it. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:13.120 Yeah, what I love. 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:18.000 So I think, Tiffany, your appreciation is well learned. You're 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:22.000 a writer, and so you love words. You love the 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.719 written word, not as you know, maybe not even the 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.800 spoken words so much as you love the written Yeah. Sure. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.560 Michael Harriett is one of those people who I have underlined, 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:37.320 double underline circled because he's it feels like, while it 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.920 comes off so easy as a person who likes to 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:44.320 see subtexts, I imagine a person who has, as you 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:49.760 described earlier, written a sentence so many different ways that 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.960 he wants it to stick. He wants it to land, 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.800 and he wants it to land on first impact. I 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.280 appreciate you know, the written word as well, obviously more 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:04.840 more more fact than fiction, But I do want to 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:10.080 reprioritize and reorient myself a little bit here, because I 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.240 do think there's some truth in this sort of imaginative, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.680 imaginative space where for a lot of my life I've 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.120 sort of had to live and deal in what is present, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.839 what I know to be the case, either what has 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:29.560 happened or forecast to occur, And I do think it 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:33.400 robs us a little bit of the what's outside the box, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.959 what's not on the page, what isn't being said? Where 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 are the possibilities for this to go? And I think writers, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.120 particularly those who are skilled at it, have a beautiful 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:50.000 way of lifting us off of it. So I appreciate 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.800 that about good writers, but I appreciate them in equal measure, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:55.520 I think, both written and spoken. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.079 What would you recommend to our audience that they pick 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:07.959 up and maybe even to me? Maybe I haven't read some. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.640 Of the books you have, So this is one. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.120 I'm using this one because this is a quote from 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.880 the Congressional Black Caucus that we say often it was 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.440 no permanent friends, permanent enemies, just permanent interests. And this 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:25.200 book is from William Lacey Clay. This is Congressrom Lacy 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:29.160 Clay's father, William Lacy Clay was one of the CBC founders, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.920 and he talks about the journey of Black Americans in 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:38.120 Congress from eighteen seventy to nineteen ninety one. This book 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:43.720 is called Critical Race Theory and it is a collection 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.200 of essays. It's a text that I used in law school. 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.160 This actually talks about this is It includes Kimberly Crenshaw 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.560 as well as many many other scholars. This book is 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.120 important because it will actually tell you about what critical 0:13:59.160 --> 0:13:59.880 race theory. 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.319 Actually is, and not the donsonce they tell you. So. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.720 The foreword is by corn O West is edited by 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:09.199 Kimberly Crenshaw, Neil Gatanda, Gary Peller, and Kendall Thomas. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:11.319 Medical Apartheid. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:15.360 I'm bringing this up because this woman, doctor Harriet Washington, 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:20.120 talks about why black folks don't or why the system, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.520 the healthcare system, the medical system has not proven itself 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:28.040 trustworthy to black people, which is a slight modification. 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:30.480 On what we normally talk about. Very good text. 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.560 Ron Brown, in addition to Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ron Brown's 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.600 picture was on our mantle in the house. My dad 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.000 was in a diehard Democrat, but what he loved about 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.440 Ron Brown was his way of advocating for black people. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.800 He was the DNC chair and also was the Department 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.920 of Commerce Secretary under Bill Clinton. This is his memoir, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:15:01.320 Ron Brown, An Uncommon Life. Asada obviously an autobiography, very important. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.880 This is written by Asada Shakur. She is I believe, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.720 the only woman on the FBI's most Wanted list. She 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:14.000 should not be there. Free Asida, all right. And finally, 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.240 my good brother, Resma Menechem, has a book called My 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:18.200 Grandmother's Hands. 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:19.680 It's a New York Times bestseller. 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.480 It helps deepen us into what ancestral trauma looks like, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.760 what it means to regulate and corregulate our nervous systems, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.320 and how to ensure that we heal from racialized trauma 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.920 in the body. It's a sematic therapy book that teaches 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.480 us different modalities to call upon to heal ourselves and 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.160 to heal the communities that. 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:40.760 We are a part of. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.720 I did we meet him? Did we have dinner with him? Somewhere? 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.040 I remember you talking about this book that you just loved, 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.240 and it was maybe it was he? 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.680 Definitely, I definitely have been breaking bread with Resma. Maybe 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.240 you were there, Tiff I'm sure, if not there in spirit, 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:58.600 oh yeah, he was. 0:15:58.640 --> 0:15:59.920 There was a panel for me. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.200 That was years ago. I remember when you said that 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.640 for the centennial. Yep, what you got, Andrew oh Man. 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.320 I feel, for one, your book is all the way 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.560 at the top, as is my friend Kenisha doctor Kisha 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.960 oh Grant. So I didn't get to pull them down saying. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.680 You can't reach it. I didn't get my chip book 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:20.200 let me grab. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:28.160 They're up at the top, but some that were closer 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:33.160 down obviously up there is. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:34.840 You know. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.720 I feel like that was okay, Thank you guys. I 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.960 feel like that was my first book and I've turned 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.120 into rough draft and they published it because now when 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.760 I read it, I'm like, I would it never run 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:45.600 like that? But thank you. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:48.440 Hey, you got a book out of friend. All right, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:53.360 another one coming, so four hundred souls my fellow rattler 0:16:54.040 --> 0:17:01.840 Iram Kenny and Keisha Blaine, and I especially especially especially enjoy. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.600 I told you about my tabs and stuff and books, 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.120 just just proof that I put tabs in books when 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:14.240 I read them. My favorite essayist contributor, of course, would 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.840 be none other than Michael Harriot. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.320 Harriot Harriot, and I just have let it go. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.720 But I don't know why, Michael, forgive me. I like 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:28.840 pronouncing it that way, but I'm gonna do it with you. Harriet, 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.080 Harriet Harriott, Who is our griot? Can I say? 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.720 Griotture Michael Harriot? 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.919 Okay, there it is, But I love The hero of 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.880 this drama is black people. All black people, the free blacks, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.240 the uncloaked Maroons, the black elite, the preachers, the reverends, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.720 the doormen and doctors, the sharecroppers and soldiers. They are 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.280 all protagonists in our epic adventure. Spoiler alert, the hero 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.520 of this story does not die ever. The hero is 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:06.080 long suffering, but unkillable, bloody, and unbowed. In this story 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.719 and in all the subsequent sequels now and forever, this 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.600 hero almost never wins. But we still get to be 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:19.639 the heroes of the true American stories simply because we 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:24.359 are undestructible. Try as they might, we will never be 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:25.840 extinguished ever. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.159 Trying to figure out why you got to read excerpt. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:32.880 That's the That's the only one I read because he's 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.880 one of my favorite And then of course Heaven McGee 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:40.679 the some of us again evidence I do tab Books 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:49.320 wrote wrote really beautifully and I think accessibly about why black, brown, 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.800 working class white folks should be in common cause with 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.960 each other. And then this is my political scientist in me, 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.119 because I think these are very important for anyone who 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.840 is interested in strategy around politics. The Art of war, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:15.800 of course, sunsu Ah, the well Whi's One Talk Teaching 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:23.280 is also a must read, and the Analects of Confucius, 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.959 and I just think these are important philosophical documents. And 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.680 in the Art of war, I think it is really 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:37.720 tactical and strategic and it has survived centuries. Uh, and 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:44.640 it's still highly regarded by I think political scientists around strategies, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:52.120 strategies to win. And then just a just a slight favorite. Uh. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:57.800 The Obstacle is the Way, I said, I think during 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:01.639 our New Year's show that the only way is through 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.679 m hm. You know you try to figure out, like God, Lee, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.280 it's just this too much, you know, I just want 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:12.800 to blink out, numb out, And so The Obstacles the 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.000 Way is one of those books that just sort of 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.760 helps to encourage you to push through. Well, I have 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:19.119 not I got a lot of favorites. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.360 I've not read any of the books that you guys reference. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.000 So yeah, but this is great because now yes, exactly 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.040 what black a f History, of course, but the other 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.000 books I had in all the books, Angela, read your 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.520 own book, I've read my own book, but the Asada Chaquur, 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.119 I'd really like to read that one. In the conversations 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.040 I've had with the elders lately, her name has come 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:43.480 up a lot, so I think I'm gonna put that 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.560 next on my list, So thank you, guys. Mine is 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:52.320 How to Say Babylon by Sophia Sinclair. And this was 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:57.480 recommended to me by Van Newkirk, who also recommended that 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.639 I write a book. I write my second book. But 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:05.479 it's so beautifully written. I mean, just somebody I didn't know. 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:06.840 And you might think, well, why do I want to 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.600 read a memoir of someone I didn't know? But it 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.199 was so beautifully written and so captivating. I love it. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:12.840 I'm about to order it. 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.000 And who has already talked about Black a f History? 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:23.360 But Michael Harritt Harriet Harry Ots Michael Harriet is such 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.280 a gift and his book was so popular it was 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.399 on the New York Times bestseller list forever fell off 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.080 and then inexplicably just bounced back on there because I 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:34.760 think people were like, oh, I didn't know it was 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.679 this dope, But there still have so many yes, and 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.680 I have so many highlights of this book. Another one 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:43.359 the Love Songs of W E. B. 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:43.919 Du Boys. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:49.199 This is fiction, but it is beautifully beautifully written and 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:54.000 takes you through generations and time. I have others that 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.159 I don't have pictures of, but The Poison What Bible 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.920 is probably my all time favorite book by Barbara Kingsolv. 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.959 I give that book away and Michael Harriet's book Away 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.199 and another book, Ghana Must Go. And I'm embarrassed to 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.600 not remember the writer's name. She's a woman. But it's 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.160 just an amazing book about three siblings who are Ghanaian 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.160 and it goes back and forth with them from Ghana 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:15.760 to America. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:17.320 So that's my book. 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.399 So if you guys are looking for something to read, 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.760 that's your NLP, this summer reading list or autumn reading 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.560 list or whenever you get to your read Yes. 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:31.439 Exactly, I'm reading something from this now. Okay, this is 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:35.800 from Resma and I think it goes back to I 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:38.080 know this is an evergreen episode, so God only knows, 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.600 but this goes back to our episode from today that 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.800 we recorded prior. This is about when democracy falls is 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:45.800 I guess the name of the episode something like that. 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:46.920 It says. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.760 An African American elder said to me recently. There is 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.320 a root to the trauma tree, and what we see 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.520 now is the fruit. That tree, which was planted roughly 0:22:55.560 --> 0:23:01.000 fifteen centuries ago, now casts a shadow across our entire nation. Today, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:04.480