Speaker 1: Well come, well come, welcome, well, come, well, come, welcome,
Speaker 1: Welcome home everybody. This is Keiviny Cross, Angela, Rye and
Speaker 1: A and Gill and this is a mini pod and
Speaker 1: we don't know what we're about to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yes, that was Angela's suggestion that we wait and figure
Speaker 2: out what we're going to talk about. And I was saying,
Speaker 2: listen record, yeah, which, well, we've heard you guys in
Speaker 2: the audience ask us about what we're reading, what we
Speaker 2: like to read, and so I thought this might be
Speaker 2: a good opportunity for the co host to share some
Speaker 2: of their favorite books and things we would recommend to
Speaker 2: you guys. I know I have a lot. I, as
Speaker 2: I talked about, have read Charles Blow's book The Devil,
Speaker 2: you know, so I would love for folks to read
Speaker 2: that we can have a conversation about it. I am
Speaker 2: reading The Color of Money, Wealth and Black Banks. I
Speaker 2: might have the subtitle wrong, but it's MRSA but Darridon.
Speaker 2: I think that's my fair name. I had her on
Speaker 2: my show some years ago and started the book and
Speaker 2: in bear so did not finish it. And I hate
Speaker 2: when folks, when people do that. This is a question
Speaker 2: I'll ask you, guys, I might be a bit of
Speaker 2: a I don't think it's snobbery. I think it's just
Speaker 2: the art of reading. I do not think audio listen.
Speaker 2: When people say they listen to the audiobook, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's reading. And I say that because, like
Speaker 2: your brain literally processes it differently and for the right
Speaker 2: like when you read something, you're comprehended. It's the difference
Speaker 2: between listening to a podcast like y'all are doing now,
Speaker 2: versus actually reading the words, like your brain literally processes it.
Speaker 2: And so you know, and you have friends with kids
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, I did the audiobook, and the
Speaker 2: parents are like, no, no, no, you need to read
Speaker 2: the book. I think if I had kids, i'd be
Speaker 2: one of those parents, like, you have to strengthen that skill.
Speaker 2: You have to read. So do you all think that
Speaker 2: audio books counts as reading?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you are an auditory learner, yeah what some
Speaker 1: people are. Some people like I need to hear it
Speaker 1: out loud. In fact, when I'm actually reading, whether it's
Speaker 1: a report or a book or even an article, sometimes
Speaker 1: I will say out loud to myself a piece that
Speaker 1: is something I want to want to remember, a piece
Speaker 1: that I may want to go back to now. I
Speaker 1: love I love physical books because I like writing in them.
Speaker 1: I got tabs for days. If you wanted to get
Speaker 1: me a you know, a gift and you don't know
Speaker 1: what I like, she just get me some post its
Speaker 1: because they're going to end up in books the flags. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of that. I love it, and mainly because I
Speaker 1: even commit you know, certain passages to memory when they're
Speaker 1: really you know, that thought provoking and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think audio books work just as fine.
Speaker 1: I tell my kids all the time because my son, Jackson, particularly,
Speaker 1: who's a really competitive reader, you know, wants me to
Speaker 1: know that he started the day at page twenty three
Speaker 1: and he ended at one hundred and twenty. I said,
Speaker 1: well that's good, Jackson, but do you remember what you read?
Speaker 1: But I would not object to at you know, at
Speaker 1: some point when they get introduced to audio books to
Speaker 1: them listening as well, we're gonna get the fundamentals of
Speaker 1: reading down. We're gonna get the fundamentals of you know, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, root words, because it's going to be important
Speaker 1: for you at some some point in time. But I
Speaker 1: will tell you I have I have I have a
Speaker 1: question one, does it make a difference to you listening
Speaker 1: versus reading yourself fiction nonfiction, Because I'll say this, for me,
Speaker 1: I am I don't read fiction at all. In fact,
Speaker 1: my therapist has told me you've got to you have
Speaker 1: got to read more fiction. It is where the imagination. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know it exists, and I'm so like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: But why would I waste my time on that one?
Speaker 1: I know if I read this, this is history, this
Speaker 1: is this, this is you know, these are things that
Speaker 1: I can put under my under my tool bell. So
Speaker 1: I got to still make that adjustment. But I do
Speaker 1: wonder whether or not it would be different for me
Speaker 1: if I were listening to an audiobook of a fiction
Speaker 1: story versus an audio book of a fact story. And
Speaker 1: I wonder if it makes a difference to either of you.
Speaker 3: I will say, Lenard actually suggests reading the book and
Speaker 3: listening to it at the same time. He was telling
Speaker 3: me that it was a good experience, and he did
Speaker 3: it with Viola Davis's book. So I did that with
Speaker 3: Viola Davis's book, and I agree.
Speaker 4: So I think it depends.
Speaker 3: I definitely am somebody the way my mind moves if
Speaker 3: I'm just listening to the audio book and I start
Speaker 3: looking at something else or like I'm texting at the
Speaker 3: same time, you can forget it.
Speaker 4: I basically have blocked everything out.
Speaker 3: But if I'm concentrating just on that book or closing
Speaker 3: my eyes and just listening to that book, it helps.
Speaker 3: But I did appreciate the experience of reading and listening
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 1: Plus fiction nonfiction equal leader.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not a fiction person.
Speaker 3: I think that there was a time, like growing up,
Speaker 3: where I was more of a fiction person. But I
Speaker 3: think now there's so much going on. I feel like,
Speaker 3: if I'm going to be reading, I wanted to be
Speaker 3: historical based, strategy based, political based, economics based, something with
Speaker 3: some solutions in there.
Speaker 4: Yes, so I do know.
Speaker 3: The last fiction book that I was really into is
Speaker 3: Derek Beale Faces at the Bottom of the Well in
Speaker 3: law school, and it was because I could see it
Speaker 3: and here we are about to get shipped off the
Speaker 3: hill to.
Speaker 4: Marsh right now.
Speaker 3: So I mean I understand it. I asly has a
Speaker 3: little tinge of accuracy.
Speaker 2: I go through about a book a week, and I
Speaker 2: try to go back and forth. If one week it's fiction,
Speaker 2: the next week, I'll try to do nonfiction, but I
Speaker 2: really enjoy fiction. Angela. You talked about finding me Viola Davis.
Speaker 2: That book was therapy for me. I mean that book,
Speaker 2: Viola Davis, just so I couldn't read or listen to that.
Speaker 2: I read that, and I can't do audio at the
Speaker 2: same time as reading because our are different. And I'll
Speaker 2: read something over, like if a paragraph or even a
Speaker 2: sentence it's just beautifully constructed, I will read that over
Speaker 2: and over and over and over. Tony Morrison said, ones
Speaker 2: which I it is a torturous process to write. I
Speaker 2: don't believe in ghostwriters either, because not that ghostwriters can't
Speaker 2: have good books, but when people say I wrote a book,
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, did you write or did you have
Speaker 2: a ghostwriter? Because when you are writing Tony Morrison, when
Speaker 2: I was fourteen, I was listening to a conversation with
Speaker 2: her and Oprah and she was saying that as a writer,
Speaker 2: you will take one sentence and structure it in every
Speaker 2: possible way to make it the point that you want
Speaker 2: to see what works. And I tried to have a
Speaker 2: discipline to do that. And it is a torturous process
Speaker 2: and so but it's also a beautiful process when you're
Speaker 2: all done. So I like the way that fiction doesn't
Speaker 2: constrict you to the realms of reality that you know.
Speaker 2: It can still you can learn from it. It can
Speaker 2: still based in history, but it's beautiful writing that you
Speaker 2: know deeply explores. And with fiction, they're more than likely
Speaker 2: is not a ghostwriter. With nonfiction sometimes, I think it's
Speaker 2: particularly with biographies, people will, you know, hire somebody. I
Speaker 2: know a lot of people who are like hired ghostwriters
Speaker 2: who offered They're like, hey, I could write this chapter
Speaker 2: for you, and I'm like, as if I would never
Speaker 2: you know, I want to construct this myself. But this
Speaker 2: leaves me I have some sound that I want us
Speaker 2: to listen to from a writer that I thought was
Speaker 2: so amazing. She since passed away, but I'm sure many
Speaker 2: of you have read Octavia Butler. Probably not you, Andrew,
Speaker 2: since you or you Angela, I guess since you guys
Speaker 2: don't read fiction, but her work it speaks to so
Speaker 2: much that's happening right now. And she actually made a
Speaker 2: good point I think, around just the process of writing,
Speaker 2: but also how she bases it in what's happening in society.
Speaker 2: And she was so far ahead of her time, So
Speaker 2: take a listen.
Speaker 5: I got the idea for it when I heard someone
Speaker 5: answer a political question with a political slogan, and he
Speaker 5: didn't seem to realize that he was quoting somebody. He
Speaker 5: seemed to have thought that he had a creative thought there,
Speaker 5: And I wrote this verse. Beware, all too often we
Speaker 5: say what we hear others say, We think what we
Speaker 5: are told that we think, we see what we are
Speaker 5: permitted to see. Worse, we see what we are told
Speaker 5: that we see. Repetition and pride are the keys to this.
Speaker 5: To see and to hear even an obvious lie again
Speaker 5: and again and again may be to say it almost
Speaker 5: by reflex, then to defend it because we have said it,
Speaker 5: and at last to embrace it because we've defended it,
Speaker 5: and because we cannot admit that we've embraced and defended
Speaker 5: an obvious lie. Thus, without thought, without intent, we make
Speaker 5: mere echoes of ourselves, and we say what we hear
Speaker 5: others say.
Speaker 2: This is a work of fiction, But that beautifully constructed paragraph,
Speaker 2: I think speaks to so much of what's happening in
Speaker 2: society about how we will regurgitate a lie. And I
Speaker 2: don't mean maga Republicans, you know, obviously that happens, but
Speaker 2: I even mean amongst ourselves because something existed, or because
Speaker 2: you know, we will take We talked about this in parody.
Speaker 2: You know, Fox News will run a piece and then
Speaker 2: the Shade Room will post it. You know, it's it
Speaker 2: is something where it dulls our intellect and it declines
Speaker 2: our reasoned thinking. And so I don't know, I think
Speaker 2: there are some lessons to learn in But when she
Speaker 2: talked about that, I just thought, wow, that's true. I
Speaker 2: see that happening a lot from some things that took
Speaker 2: place in the Black Church that I, you know, don't
Speaker 2: agree with in adulthood. But people, you know, it's it's orthodoxy,
Speaker 2: you know, it's culture. These axioms become principal after a while.
Speaker 2: And if we just imagine, but what if this is
Speaker 2: not the case. What if this man saying this to
Speaker 2: me is wrong? What if this leader projecting this to
Speaker 2: me is incorrect? What if this leader really wants to
Speaker 2: rule and not lead and just to question everything around me?
Speaker 2: So fiction, I would say, can invite that kind of Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that was beautiful. And what I loved about it is,
Speaker 1: she said, Miss Butler, the obvious lie, right is obviously
Speaker 1: not the truth. So we're not debating whether another is
Speaker 1: true or false. We all are looking at the thing
Speaker 1: and saying it's not true, and then yeah, we keep listening,
Speaker 1: and then we start to repeat, and then the repeating
Speaker 1: becomes the you know, our foundation of defense, and we
Speaker 1: fight over it. And now we've gotten so deep in
Speaker 1: we cannot even acknowledge that we all knew it was
Speaker 1: a lie. And I just kept running with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what I love.
Speaker 1: So I think, Tiffany, your appreciation is well learned. You're
Speaker 1: a writer, and so you love words. You love the
Speaker 1: written word, not as you know, maybe not even the
Speaker 1: spoken words so much as you love the written Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 1: Michael Harriett is one of those people who I have underlined,
Speaker 1: double underline circled because he's it feels like, while it
Speaker 1: comes off so easy as a person who likes to
Speaker 1: see subtexts, I imagine a person who has, as you
Speaker 1: described earlier, written a sentence so many different ways that
Speaker 1: he wants it to stick. He wants it to land,
Speaker 1: and he wants it to land on first impact. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you know, the written word as well, obviously more
Speaker 1: more more fact than fiction, But I do want to
Speaker 1: reprioritize and reorient myself a little bit here, because I
Speaker 1: do think there's some truth in this sort of imaginative,
Speaker 1: imaginative space where for a lot of my life I've
Speaker 1: sort of had to live and deal in what is present,
Speaker 1: what I know to be the case, either what has
Speaker 1: happened or forecast to occur, And I do think it
Speaker 1: robs us a little bit of the what's outside the box,
Speaker 1: what's not on the page, what isn't being said? Where
Speaker 1: are the possibilities for this to go? And I think writers,
Speaker 1: particularly those who are skilled at it, have a beautiful
Speaker 1: way of lifting us off of it. So I appreciate
Speaker 1: that about good writers, but I appreciate them in equal measure,
Speaker 1: I think, both written and spoken.
Speaker 2: What would you recommend to our audience that they pick
Speaker 2: up and maybe even to me? Maybe I haven't read some.
Speaker 4: Of the books you have, So this is one.
Speaker 3: I'm using this one because this is a quote from
Speaker 3: the Congressional Black Caucus that we say often it was
Speaker 3: no permanent friends, permanent enemies, just permanent interests. And this
Speaker 3: book is from William Lacey Clay. This is Congressrom Lacy
Speaker 3: Clay's father, William Lacy Clay was one of the CBC founders,
Speaker 3: and he talks about the journey of Black Americans in
Speaker 3: Congress from eighteen seventy to nineteen ninety one. This book
Speaker 3: is called Critical Race Theory and it is a collection
Speaker 3: of essays. It's a text that I used in law school.
Speaker 3: This actually talks about this is It includes Kimberly Crenshaw
Speaker 3: as well as many many other scholars. This book is
Speaker 3: important because it will actually tell you about what critical
Speaker 3: race theory.
Speaker 4: Actually is, and not the donsonce they tell you. So.
Speaker 3: The foreword is by corn O West is edited by
Speaker 3: Kimberly Crenshaw, Neil Gatanda, Gary Peller, and Kendall Thomas.
Speaker 4: Medical Apartheid.
Speaker 3: I'm bringing this up because this woman, doctor Harriet Washington,
Speaker 3: talks about why black folks don't or why the system,
Speaker 3: the healthcare system, the medical system has not proven itself
Speaker 3: trustworthy to black people, which is a slight modification.
Speaker 4: On what we normally talk about. Very good text.
Speaker 3: Ron Brown, in addition to Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ron Brown's
Speaker 3: picture was on our mantle in the house. My dad
Speaker 3: was in a diehard Democrat, but what he loved about
Speaker 3: Ron Brown was his way of advocating for black people.
Speaker 3: He was the DNC chair and also was the Department
Speaker 3: of Commerce Secretary under Bill Clinton. This is his memoir,
Speaker 3: Ron Brown, An Uncommon Life. Asada obviously an autobiography, very important.
Speaker 3: This is written by Asada Shakur. She is I believe,
Speaker 3: the only woman on the FBI's most Wanted list. She
Speaker 3: should not be there. Free Asida, all right. And finally,
Speaker 3: my good brother, Resma Menechem, has a book called My
Speaker 3: Grandmother's Hands.
Speaker 4: It's a New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 3: It helps deepen us into what ancestral trauma looks like,
Speaker 3: what it means to regulate and corregulate our nervous systems,
Speaker 3: and how to ensure that we heal from racialized trauma
Speaker 3: in the body. It's a sematic therapy book that teaches
Speaker 3: us different modalities to call upon to heal ourselves and
Speaker 3: to heal the communities that.
Speaker 4: We are a part of.
Speaker 2: I did we meet him? Did we have dinner with him? Somewhere?
Speaker 2: I remember you talking about this book that you just loved,
Speaker 2: and it was maybe it was he?
Speaker 3: Definitely, I definitely have been breaking bread with Resma. Maybe
Speaker 3: you were there, Tiff I'm sure, if not there in spirit,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: There was a panel for me.
Speaker 2: That was years ago. I remember when you said that
Speaker 2: for the centennial. Yep, what you got, Andrew oh Man.
Speaker 1: I feel, for one, your book is all the way
Speaker 1: at the top, as is my friend Kenisha doctor Kisha
Speaker 1: oh Grant. So I didn't get to pull them down saying.
Speaker 4: You can't reach it. I didn't get my chip book
Speaker 4: let me grab.
Speaker 1: They're up at the top, but some that were closer
Speaker 1: down obviously up there is.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was okay, Thank you guys. I
Speaker 2: feel like that was my first book and I've turned
Speaker 2: into rough draft and they published it because now when
Speaker 2: I read it, I'm like, I would it never run
Speaker 2: like that? But thank you.
Speaker 1: Hey, you got a book out of friend. All right,
Speaker 1: another one coming, so four hundred souls my fellow rattler
Speaker 1: Iram Kenny and Keisha Blaine, and I especially especially especially enjoy.
Speaker 1: I told you about my tabs and stuff and books,
Speaker 1: just just proof that I put tabs in books when
Speaker 1: I read them. My favorite essayist contributor, of course, would
Speaker 1: be none other than Michael Harriot.
Speaker 2: Harriot Harriot, and I just have let it go.
Speaker 1: But I don't know why, Michael, forgive me. I like
Speaker 1: pronouncing it that way, but I'm gonna do it with you. Harriet,
Speaker 1: Harriet Harriott, Who is our griot? Can I say?
Speaker 4: Griotture Michael Harriot?
Speaker 1: Okay, there it is, But I love The hero of
Speaker 1: this drama is black people. All black people, the free blacks,
Speaker 1: the uncloaked Maroons, the black elite, the preachers, the reverends,
Speaker 1: the doormen and doctors, the sharecroppers and soldiers. They are
Speaker 1: all protagonists in our epic adventure. Spoiler alert, the hero
Speaker 1: of this story does not die ever. The hero is
Speaker 1: long suffering, but unkillable, bloody, and unbowed. In this story
Speaker 1: and in all the subsequent sequels now and forever, this
Speaker 1: hero almost never wins. But we still get to be
Speaker 1: the heroes of the true American stories simply because we
Speaker 1: are undestructible. Try as they might, we will never be
Speaker 1: extinguished ever.
Speaker 4: Trying to figure out why you got to read excerpt.
Speaker 1: That's the That's the only one I read because he's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite And then of course Heaven McGee
Speaker 1: the some of us again evidence I do tab Books
Speaker 1: wrote wrote really beautifully and I think accessibly about why black, brown,
Speaker 1: working class white folks should be in common cause with
Speaker 1: each other. And then this is my political scientist in me,
Speaker 1: because I think these are very important for anyone who
Speaker 1: is interested in strategy around politics. The Art of war,
Speaker 1: of course, sunsu Ah, the well Whi's One Talk Teaching
Speaker 1: is also a must read, and the Analects of Confucius,
Speaker 1: and I just think these are important philosophical documents. And
Speaker 1: in the Art of war, I think it is really
Speaker 1: tactical and strategic and it has survived centuries. Uh, and
Speaker 1: it's still highly regarded by I think political scientists around strategies,
Speaker 1: strategies to win. And then just a just a slight favorite. Uh.
Speaker 1: The Obstacle is the Way, I said, I think during
Speaker 1: our New Year's show that the only way is through
Speaker 1: m hm. You know you try to figure out, like God, Lee,
Speaker 1: it's just this too much, you know, I just want
Speaker 1: to blink out, numb out, And so The Obstacles the
Speaker 1: Way is one of those books that just sort of
Speaker 1: helps to encourage you to push through. Well, I have
Speaker 1: not I got a lot of favorites.
Speaker 2: I've not read any of the books that you guys reference.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but this is great because now yes, exactly
Speaker 2: what black a f History, of course, but the other
Speaker 2: books I had in all the books, Angela, read your
Speaker 2: own book, I've read my own book, but the Asada Chaquur,
Speaker 2: I'd really like to read that one. In the conversations
Speaker 2: I've had with the elders lately, her name has come
Speaker 2: up a lot, so I think I'm gonna put that
Speaker 2: next on my list, So thank you, guys. Mine is
Speaker 2: How to Say Babylon by Sophia Sinclair. And this was
Speaker 2: recommended to me by Van Newkirk, who also recommended that
Speaker 2: I write a book. I write my second book. But
Speaker 2: it's so beautifully written. I mean, just somebody I didn't know.
Speaker 2: And you might think, well, why do I want to
Speaker 2: read a memoir of someone I didn't know? But it
Speaker 2: was so beautifully written and so captivating. I love it.
Speaker 4: I'm about to order it.
Speaker 2: And who has already talked about Black a f History?
Speaker 2: But Michael Harritt Harriet Harry Ots Michael Harriet is such
Speaker 2: a gift and his book was so popular it was
Speaker 2: on the New York Times bestseller list forever fell off
Speaker 2: and then inexplicably just bounced back on there because I
Speaker 2: think people were like, oh, I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: this dope, But there still have so many yes, and
Speaker 2: I have so many highlights of this book. Another one
Speaker 2: the Love Songs of W E. B.
Speaker 4: Du Boys.
Speaker 2: This is fiction, but it is beautifully beautifully written and
Speaker 2: takes you through generations and time. I have others that
Speaker 2: I don't have pictures of, but The Poison What Bible
Speaker 2: is probably my all time favorite book by Barbara Kingsolv.
Speaker 2: I give that book away and Michael Harriet's book Away
Speaker 2: and another book, Ghana Must Go. And I'm embarrassed to
Speaker 2: not remember the writer's name. She's a woman. But it's
Speaker 2: just an amazing book about three siblings who are Ghanaian
Speaker 2: and it goes back and forth with them from Ghana
Speaker 2: to America.
Speaker 4: So that's my book.
Speaker 2: So if you guys are looking for something to read,
Speaker 2: that's your NLP, this summer reading list or autumn reading
Speaker 2: list or whenever you get to your read Yes.
Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm reading something from this now. Okay, this is
Speaker 3: from Resma and I think it goes back to I
Speaker 3: know this is an evergreen episode, so God only knows,
Speaker 3: but this goes back to our episode from today that
Speaker 3: we recorded prior. This is about when democracy falls is
Speaker 3: I guess the name of the episode something like that.
Speaker 4: It says.
Speaker 3: An African American elder said to me recently. There is
Speaker 3: a root to the trauma tree, and what we see
Speaker 3: now is the fruit. That tree, which was planted roughly
Speaker 3: fifteen centuries ago, now casts a shadow across our entire nation. Today,
Speaker 3: many of us still feed each other. It's bitter, poisonous fruit.
Speaker 3: None of us ask for this trauma, none of us
Speaker 3: deserves it, yet none of us can avoid it. It
Speaker 3: is part of our personal and national histories. In many
Speaker 3: American bodies, the Civil War, or the American Revolution, or
Speaker 3: the Crusades rages on.
Speaker 4: Today. We're head of reckoning. We Americans have an opportunity
Speaker 4: and an obligation to recognize the trauma embedded in our bodies,
Speaker 4: to accept and metabolize the clean pain of healing, and
Speaker 4: to move through and out of our trauma. This will
Speaker 4: enable us to mend our hearts and bodies and to
Speaker 4: grow up.
Speaker 2: That That is why I like reading, because I would
Speaker 2: read that over and over. It's beautiful to hear you
Speaker 2: read it. But I don't even know if I could
Speaker 2: that was so poetic and literate, and yes, like that's
Speaker 2: something that.
Speaker 3: You'll like about this to really and I'm serious, like
Speaker 3: I'm not even saying this because of what you just said,
Speaker 3: and it didn't occur to me though right now. I
Speaker 3: think what you will appreciate about this book in particular
Speaker 3: right now because of what you're moving through. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I might challenge us all to I'll pick it back up, Andrew,
Speaker 3: I would read this with you too.
Speaker 4: There are somatic body based.
Speaker 3: Practices in this book at the end of each chapter
Speaker 3: to help you move through the trauma that you carry
Speaker 3: in your DNA and the trauma that you are currently
Speaker 3: experiencing by just living in this country. And so I
Speaker 3: think that it really is a good like I was
Speaker 3: going through it in twenty twenty. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 3: it's a great thing just to have an embodied practice
Speaker 3: to you know, metabolize the history, to feel what you're
Speaker 3: feeling from a DNA and ancestral memory standpoint, to feel
Speaker 3: what you're experiencing as you carry what feels familiar even
Speaker 3: though we haven't lived it before, but like the breath
Speaker 3: work of it all, like tapping into your nervous system.
Speaker 3: Tapping into your survival instinct, no one want to tap
Speaker 3: out of it.
Speaker 4: Humming.
Speaker 3: You know the practices that are like tapping your foot.
Speaker 3: Those are all things that our ancestors did, and part
Speaker 3: of that was helping them to move through their trauma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I will read draw A quick excerpt is
Speaker 2: because but mind only one sentence. This is from Octavia Butler,
Speaker 2: parable of the Sewer, And I didn't mention this book,
Speaker 2: but I strongly encourage everyone to read that. It begins
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, but it was written in the
Speaker 2: eighties or maybe the seventies. And this speaks to something
Speaker 2: that we've talked about a few times on the podcast
Speaker 2: over the weeks and months about immigration and people being
Speaker 2: shipped off to offshore torture camps. And it's just one sentence.
Speaker 2: The main the protagonist is a young girl and she
Speaker 2: has a disorder some might say called hyper empathy, and
Speaker 2: it causes her to feel whatever the other person is feeling,
Speaker 2: so which is can be a good thing or it
Speaker 2: could be a bad thing. If you're having sex with somebody,
Speaker 2: you have your orgasm, you feel their orgasm. If someone yes, yes,
Speaker 2: good point. If someone unfortunately, if someone is getting raped,
Speaker 2: you feel their pleasure, but you feel your own terror
Speaker 2: and pain. So the book goes through a lot of
Speaker 2: things as she navigates her own hyper empathy. So the
Speaker 2: one sentence I would just read is when she says,
Speaker 2: if everyone could feel everyone else's.
Speaker 1: Pain, who would torture amen?
Speaker 2: So maybe we can move with a little bit of
Speaker 2: empathy and imagine that we could feel everybody else's pain
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