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Speaker 1: season eighteen, episode number one two three. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: latest edition of The Break, live from the s WBC
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Speaker 1: in studio. I've gotten back loud Amber now to kind
Speaker 1: of sit over there and be on her phone and
Speaker 1: not have to worry about in this thing. So thank
Speaker 1: you for hosting while I've been out over I mean,
Speaker 1: this is one twenty three. Um, oh my gosh, you're
Speaker 1: right it actually we would have flipped over today. This
Speaker 1: is actually episode number one of season nineteen. Nick, Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks. That looks so scripted, but it really
Speaker 1: really I was just like, when does it when you
Speaker 1: first it's the NFL. Yeah, calendar, Our calendar year starts
Speaker 1: in April, so yes, that would be okay. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: season nineteen, episode number one, do the whole intro against nineteen.
Speaker 1: I wore a sweatshirt from the first show that we've
Speaker 1: ever done. This is a Bill Parcel special. It is
Speaker 1: actually two thousand and three. You need us some ice?
Speaker 1: This is this is the one that This is the
Speaker 1: sweatshirt that Bill had on when he started undressing in
Speaker 1: front of me and it was making me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Captain Morgan Captain Morgan style, Yeah, that was. This was
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt that they yeah, on that day. Well, welcome
Speaker 1: to the nineteen season over there. Oh no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that abort. All right, welcome to the
Speaker 1: nineteen seasons of The Break. Nineteen seasons. Nick, It's been
Speaker 1: nineteen seasons of doing this show, and uh so let's
Speaker 1: let's have some fun today. I know I was out
Speaker 1: during the meat of free agency and when everything was going.
Speaker 1: It was crazy because I was on vacation the first
Speaker 1: week and literally calling Nick and bothering him. Well, he
Speaker 1: was actually trying to work, like can you believe they're
Speaker 1: doing all this? Like this is crazy and they're not
Speaker 1: would turn over here. It's like, can you believe someone
Speaker 1: would be on vacation, right, Yeah, it happens usually the
Speaker 1: front office. No, it happens. It happens every year for
Speaker 1: me because that's huge. Two Bryan brought us last season
Speaker 1: of the twenty season. Probably not, probably not, but no,
Speaker 1: it was. It was an interesting free agency start the
Speaker 1: free agency because it's not something we've been used to
Speaker 1: seeing with this front office. So I do what I
Speaker 1: would love to do today is I want to take
Speaker 1: a little bigger picture view of this now that we've
Speaker 1: gotten past the initial wave of free agency, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: the meta free agency. Anything else that happens at this point,
Speaker 1: they will be kind of those those deals that really
Speaker 1: won't probably make as big of a difference for your team.
Speaker 1: They're kind of fillers at this point. But we do
Speaker 1: Before we get into that conversation, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about a couple final deals that got had done or
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say final, but a couple more deals that
Speaker 1: got done last week. Since the last time you were
Speaker 1: guys were on the air. Jonathan Hankins Cowboys signed him
Speaker 1: to a one year deal. What does this move do
Speaker 1: for this team clogs up the middle man. And I
Speaker 1: thought when he came in, they made that trade. To me,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the dates exactly, but I thought after
Speaker 1: that Eagles game up there in Philly where they had
Speaker 1: to get off the field on defense and they just couldn't.
Speaker 1: They just couldn't, they couldn't stop the run, they said,
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta make a change. They got Hankins in.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't face Hurts and the Eagles again,
Speaker 1: like you know until well, they didn't face him again.
Speaker 1: But but I still think they you could tell they
Speaker 1: were stopping the run better, and then when he gets hurt,
Speaker 1: you can see a difference. So to me, he solidifies
Speaker 1: the middle. He's older guy, you still need some more help,
Speaker 1: but I do. I do think it's a it's a
Speaker 1: nice nice Uh. Yeah, he's the he's the type of
Speaker 1: guy from season seven. We still don't know. We still
Speaker 1: you didn't hear the drop, but we still I know
Speaker 1: that I know that you know exactly, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know who who I was referring to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was probably like
Speaker 1: a Monterrey Holland or somebody like that, a party node
Speaker 1: a song about Yeah, yeah, it was one of those
Speaker 1: kind of guys. But anyway, so California treatment right, No, no,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're talking about. Entre Holland
Speaker 1: is now the starter. Monterrey Holland is now the starter.
Speaker 1: You know, he keeps on block, he keeps it has
Speaker 1: California Archer help with that, those little sounds on the
Speaker 1: field as they're stretching, you know, and it was just
Speaker 1: it was being he was playing. There's some other, you know,
Speaker 1: other versions of it, maybe some radio edits and some
Speaker 1: explicit that we won't get into. But for the most part, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good and I love Montre Holland. He's one of
Speaker 1: my favorites. Thank you, and keeps on blocking, keeps. I
Speaker 1: don't remember what I was about to say. Why he's good,
Speaker 1: Hankings he well. To me, he's the type of player
Speaker 1: that you don't um necessarily me from my own perspective,
Speaker 1: I don't really pay attention to him what he's doing
Speaker 1: on the field, but you just know that the type
Speaker 1: of difference maker he is, just like Nick said, you
Speaker 1: know when he's on the field, because you see how
Speaker 1: it affects the run versus when he's not on the field.
Speaker 1: So I just know the running defense stopping the run
Speaker 1: improved tremendously when he was on there, and the way
Speaker 1: he was blogging he's a guy that has a lot
Speaker 1: of strength, so very very big move. And the dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and keeping the main guys that he needs on defense,
Speaker 1: I thought, I think they've done such such a good
Speaker 1: job this offseason and free agency and keeping key players
Speaker 1: and maintaining a defense that you're pretty much set in
Speaker 1: all areas, or at least you got guys that you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is going to be competitive, So very big signing
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. Nick, you get a really good memory.
Speaker 1: What was the game he made the stop on fourth
Speaker 1: and one and got hurt? The game this year? You
Speaker 1: got me on that one. Yeah, yeah, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, I probably could have looked it
Speaker 1: up and messing up looking at other things here, but
Speaker 1: the thing at Ambar's absolutely right. When he was on
Speaker 1: the field, you you knew because not only you saw
Speaker 1: what happened up front, you saw Layton Vanderesh running and
Speaker 1: making plays. You know the way that he affects and
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe he even helps Diggi Zua next
Speaker 1: to him, because all of a sudden, now he's doing
Speaker 1: a lot of the dirty work. He's taking up blocks.
Speaker 1: Vanderesh's running downhill. Osa's like, you know he's now, oh,
Speaker 1: he's on a one on one with somebody, and now
Speaker 1: he's winning. You know, they just seem like when he
Speaker 1: was on the field, they got more bodies to the ball,
Speaker 1: and when he wasn't on the field, it was guys
Speaker 1: having to deal with blockers in their laps. They couldn't
Speaker 1: get off. And then you know, what would have been
Speaker 1: a game of maybe two three yards is now a
Speaker 1: five or six yard game. And you could see it
Speaker 1: just watching the games. You're like, well, who's who's playing? Uh, oh,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's Bohannah. And again I'm sound like
Speaker 1: I'm slamming Bohannah here, But you know, Bohannah is a
Speaker 1: big guy that doesn't know how to play like Hankins does.
Speaker 1: Hankins is a big body that knows how to play,
Speaker 1: knows how to take up blocks, knows how to hold
Speaker 1: guys up, knows how to be in the right gap
Speaker 1: when it's fourth and one, and somehow, some way, he's
Speaker 1: got a guy in his chest, but he's reaches back
Speaker 1: with his arm and makes a fourth and one stop.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of stuff you notice. It's like, my gosh,
Speaker 1: he might have one or two plays a game that
Speaker 1: you notice like that, But the other sixty plays he's
Speaker 1: helping Layton vander esh have twelve tackles that day. That's
Speaker 1: what this guy does, you know. And I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's maybe taking them out of the market. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have the draft show after this today. You know,
Speaker 1: we were talking about defensive tackles, one techniques, guys like
Speaker 1: that that. Oh maybe at twenty six they're gonna take
Speaker 1: I don't think they have to now, I don't think
Speaker 1: they have to. I think they had a checklist of
Speaker 1: how they were going to do this, and then they
Speaker 1: sprinkled in a couple of trades that we didn't really
Speaker 1: see coming. You know, we saw a Jay I personally
Speaker 1: thought the start of free agency was gonna be Jake McQuay.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, they're gonna sign the long snapper first,
Speaker 1: and you know they're going But no, they had a
Speaker 1: systematic plan in the way they did it, and Hankins
Speaker 1: just happened to be the last piece I think of
Speaker 1: that checklist that they went into free agency with. So
Speaker 1: let's flip the script. There was a guy that I
Speaker 1: think they probably had some marginal interest in bringing back
Speaker 1: that they did not bring back. He signs, Carlos Watkins
Speaker 1: signs with Arizona on a one year deal. How much
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys miss him? Not a lot. I really
Speaker 1: don't believe that, and I'm not nothing against him. But
Speaker 1: sometimes when you give anybody this is to a football player,
Speaker 1: or if you say it to your kids, if you
Speaker 1: say take it or leave it, sometimes they leave it,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what the deal was, take it
Speaker 1: or leave it to a lot of those guys. Hankins
Speaker 1: was one of them. Watkins too, Carlos Watkins, take it
Speaker 1: or leave it. We're not we're not negotiating with you.
Speaker 1: He found the Initially they were interested. Yeah, they wanted
Speaker 1: to bring him back. But but under their time to
Speaker 1: the trying right right, Ryan, I just wasn't sure if
Speaker 1: they were interested, Yeah, bring you know, but he was
Speaker 1: a guy also they put on the practice squad and
Speaker 1: he you know, they they were. His attitude changed when
Speaker 1: he got released, It's true, it changed it really and
Speaker 1: he realized it's like, whoa wait, I'm not one of
Speaker 1: the fifty three guys they think I'm important. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you where I noticed him the most. The Cowboys throughout
Speaker 1: the season had several games so they had goal line stance,
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, up front, it was
Speaker 1: wow Walkins, I oh you know, oh he you know, oh,
Speaker 1: Tank Walkins. I mean they were kind were they were
Speaker 1: playing on that same side. Maybe not so much noticed
Speaker 1: him in the field, but noticed him when it got tight,
Speaker 1: and it's like holding up guys and him. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's that's where I felt like, that's where I felt
Speaker 1: like that they wanted Walkins back with Dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: those guys, because he he went from being a guy
Speaker 1: that played extremely tall and let people wash him to
Speaker 1: a guy that would play with good bass and would
Speaker 1: hold up right there. And I just remember, like from
Speaker 1: our end zone seats, guys are a little further down
Speaker 1: than me where I sit, but being right down there,
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of focus in on when that's
Speaker 1: happening in front of you. And I just remember Carlos
Speaker 1: Watkins and then going and watching the film the next day,
Speaker 1: like that makes sense. He made that was a good play,
Speaker 1: it might not have been. It's the same thing with
Speaker 1: like what you're getting. You know, with Hankins, it's one
Speaker 1: or two plays a game that makes you go. That's
Speaker 1: why he's one of the forty eight today dressing because
Speaker 1: of that, those those types of plays, and frankly, at
Speaker 1: that position, that's kind of how it works. Like a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, unless you're a warrant SAP type, you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to be a guy, especially at one technique,
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be a guy that's always like just flashing.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a few plays again where you can
Speaker 1: be like really make an impact. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I thought Hankins was a very important
Speaker 1: signing because he didn't make that impact in those plays,
Speaker 1: and he was willing to do the dirty work on
Speaker 1: all those other plays. Don't necessarily now see he's he's
Speaker 1: I mean, they had to go get Hankins and they
Speaker 1: had to draft Bohannah because Nebell Gallamore gotten a dog house.
Speaker 1: You know, Nevill gall We're doing preseason games and Brad
Speaker 1: Sham looks up in Nevill gallam War's in the game
Speaker 1: in a fourth quarter and you're going preseason game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the preseason game. You're going, wait a minute, what's
Speaker 1: going on here. That's a veteran guy, you know. But
Speaker 1: they were searching for somebody to be like Hankins and
Speaker 1: Carlos Watkins and those guys, just to make those two
Speaker 1: or three dirty plays a game. Yeah, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna check our first break. When we come back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna jump into our free agency. We're gonna call it
Speaker 1: a recap. It's not over, but we're definitely gonna recap
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys are at this point and what they've
Speaker 1: done to this point. We'll do that when we come back.
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Speaker 1: Let's let's recap this free agency thus far, I'm going
Speaker 1: to read out this these lists of the players that
Speaker 1: were added, the players that were resigned, the players that
Speaker 1: they lost, and the players that are still available. Let's
Speaker 1: look at who was added Stefan Gilmore, Brandon Cook's both
Speaker 1: in trade, Chuma Idoga, Ronald Jones, and long snapper Trent Siege.
Speaker 1: Who they resigned, Donovan Wilson, Laton vander Esch, Cooper rush,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, Tack McKinley, Jonathan Hankins, c J. Goodwin, Dante Fowler,
Speaker 1: and Rico Dowdle. And here are the players that they lost,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, Luke Gifford, Connor McGovern, Jake McQuaid, Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: and Carlos Watkins. Here's first question I got for you guys,
Speaker 1: was was there anybody that was lost that you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys really wanted? No, not really wanted. I think
Speaker 1: they wanted Jake mcquad but I don't mean if you
Speaker 1: really want him, you can pay for him. Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like the ship sailed on Dalton Schultz after
Speaker 1: the San Francisco playoff game? Because do you think it
Speaker 1: was a moment when they were just kind of like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're good. I was earlier than that. I think that.
Speaker 1: I do think now now that I hear stuff, I
Speaker 1: don't there was something going on for a while, or
Speaker 1: you can just send some kind of discontent from like
Speaker 1: at times and Nike you've seen him, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw Derek Got any moments like after
Speaker 1: a game, during the locker room, at times, you just
Speaker 1: seem even when he had a good game, or even
Speaker 1: when the Cows won like Dalton, would just be kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, a bad mood for whatever reason. Some of
Speaker 1: that might have been. Well, I think some of that
Speaker 1: might have been I got the impression and people that
Speaker 1: I know in the media had mentioned things that suggested
Speaker 1: he was upset with the media, So it might have
Speaker 1: been some of that. And I don't know if that
Speaker 1: I don't know if that necessarily goes to the organization.
Speaker 1: But I think part of what we may have been
Speaker 1: seeing in the locker room was maybe there was some
Speaker 1: discontent with the media in how they covered when you
Speaker 1: saw him um U interacting or even on the field,
Speaker 1: you could see his relationship with the younger tight ends
Speaker 1: and it was really good. I mean, at least that's
Speaker 1: what we all got to see on the field and
Speaker 1: all that. Yeah, I mean he brushes his teeth with saltwater.
Speaker 1: I mean he's salt. I mean he always has been,
Speaker 1: and and that's just he was this real smart guy too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the media always was dumb, the dumb questions
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But um, I think I think
Speaker 1: he tried to be a good team player with the
Speaker 1: young guys. You know, you saw he was. He was,
Speaker 1: you know, a plan with all the you know, he
Speaker 1: jumped in, yeah, what was the whack the mole and
Speaker 1: then the one where they were getting roped. I mean
Speaker 1: he was the one down there. I mean like he
Speaker 1: was trying. But I think he was still you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of tough when you when you know
Speaker 1: you're on a one year deal and you see these
Speaker 1: young guys and you want to help you replacements. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. It was. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: It was it Austin Hooper. I think they played for
Speaker 1: the Browns or whatever, and he was in a situation
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, we're trying to help these young
Speaker 1: tight ends. Wherever he was, he goes It's not like
Speaker 1: Jason Witten. Okay, No, Austin Hooper wasn't with Dallas, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but his college teammate Dalton schultzon was So you kind
Speaker 1: of just connect the dots and you're like trying to
Speaker 1: read between the lines. But how would you know that
Speaker 1: other than Dalton Chulton? Did Dalton feel that way? And
Speaker 1: then ironically here he is in a situation and you
Speaker 1: kind of kind of heard the same stuff too. All
Speaker 1: I know is when his price was lower lower lower
Speaker 1: and he was not signed, he got to the point
Speaker 1: where the cowboys that's the question I had, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's why I just asked you this because I
Speaker 1: just was there. You know, he was this, he was
Speaker 1: a he was a franchise tag player. Then he got
Speaker 1: out there and nobody wanted him, and you're and then
Speaker 1: now you're thinking, was the was there a bridge burned
Speaker 1: water under the bridge where the cowboys completely happy with?
Speaker 1: You know, they love they love Hindershot, they really do.
Speaker 1: I mean, they like Ferguson too, but they love Hindershot
Speaker 1: that that they feel like they stole one there that
Speaker 1: might be the next one. But she kind of wondered
Speaker 1: if did with the number would ever get low enough.
Speaker 1: But to me, it was like if the number ever
Speaker 1: got low enough, Dalton Schultz probably wouldn't come back. He
Speaker 1: would probably say, I'll take that deal with somebody else.
Speaker 1: I'm good to go to Houston, who is doing a
Speaker 1: total rebuild with a new quarterback, knew everything new. You know,
Speaker 1: he got three times the money. I think he was
Speaker 1: going to get here at that point. At that point, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't think they were going to offer him anything.
Speaker 1: And then they knew that wasn't a great deal yet.
Speaker 1: See it's funny, Nick and I and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys have heard this stuff, and I mean
Speaker 1: and just talking to people around the league that kind
Speaker 1: of had an idea about the money. He turned down
Speaker 1: a pretty significant offer from the Cowboys that would have
Speaker 1: been it was gonna be a longer year deal. And
Speaker 1: people think, oh it was three I think I think
Speaker 1: it was. Here was something like five years did he
Speaker 1: turn down? That was roughly going to pay him like
Speaker 1: ten to twelve million dollars a year. He turned that down?
Speaker 1: I think thirty six guaranteed? Yeah it was. It was Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was here. I mean again, I was talking. That's
Speaker 1: the whole thing up. Yeah, I was Indians up on
Speaker 1: a one year deal. Yeah, and by the way, here's
Speaker 1: the tough part. And obviously he and his agent no
Speaker 1: more than I do about his situation is but I
Speaker 1: have to wonder if if I'm him, I'm going to
Speaker 1: a team like Houston that's in a total rebuild, no
Speaker 1: guarantees of who the quarterback's gonna be, let alone, if
Speaker 1: that quarterback is going to be good enough to be
Speaker 1: able to really help him get what he needs to
Speaker 1: be able. Because he's taken a gamble on himself saying
Speaker 1: I'll do a one year deal like that, that just
Speaker 1: it creates a really tough situation for him going back
Speaker 1: into free agency next year after not really knowing who
Speaker 1: your quarterback's going to be or that quarterback numbers. The
Speaker 1: numbers could be, Yeah, the numbers could be really really good.
Speaker 1: If it's a young quarterback and he's throwing the time.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz knows how to play the game, he knows
Speaker 1: how to get open and all that will they will
Speaker 1: they find a way to get him open. I just
Speaker 1: feel like though that I think there was a lot
Speaker 1: of bitterness you talked about towards the media and the
Speaker 1: way that contracts stuff was covered. I think there was
Speaker 1: a little bit bitterness towards the Cowboys about about not
Speaker 1: getting something done long term. You know they were like
Speaker 1: you know the Cowboys when they did it, they when
Speaker 1: they franchise tagged him. You guys could correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. You move on from Amari Cooper. There's the
Speaker 1: unknown about Michael Gallup and stuff like that. They just
Speaker 1: couldn't totally gut the offense of pass catchers. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: couldn't just totally move on from Dalton Schultz and Amari Cooper.
Speaker 1: And you know, they just couldn't do it. So you
Speaker 1: know they say, Okay, well, franchise tag me. Personally, I
Speaker 1: feel like that the Tony Pollard deal could be very
Speaker 1: similar to what we saw with Dalton Schultz one year.
Speaker 1: Hold you you know see what we got. I personally
Speaker 1: meet this is my opinion. I don't think you're going
Speaker 1: to get a long term deal done with Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: I think I think they'll find a way to move
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll probably draft a guy and then you know,
Speaker 1: you'll you'll have that guy, and that guy will be
Speaker 1: he'll take over. The Tony Pollard rule is what will happen.
Speaker 1: All about what happens in the draft. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: it's all about what happens in the draft exactly. Guy
Speaker 1: that really can take off. Yeah, that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I think they're using this tag to say, Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: we need to have you here. But let's see, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of unknown about Pollard coming back from this injury.
Speaker 1: We could all talk about it. We've done it for
Speaker 1: years around here. Well, Dak coming back he should be,
Speaker 1: you know, Gallup coming back, he should be. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd always talk about these these guys and you don't
Speaker 1: know how their bodies are going to respond. I've seen
Speaker 1: Pollard twice this offseason. Both times I thought it was Zeke.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of from far As. He bulked up,
Speaker 1: getting bigger, Sam, I might need to need lasic again,
Speaker 1: but grow his hair. But yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot of things. Drink you're
Speaker 1: just looking at him, Yeah, yeah, multiple stop But no,
Speaker 1: it just I do think he's bulked up somewhere. It
Speaker 1: looks he looks different. He's gonna work hard, and Britt
Speaker 1: Brown and those guys are gonna work. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying the unknown, it's not the work ethic can
Speaker 1: get him right. But you just don't know how the
Speaker 1: body's gonna respond. Yeah, I mean, look at Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: it was like it seemed like it was ten weeks before.
Speaker 1: We kind of felt like, you know, but he had
Speaker 1: some games or it was zero you know, zero catches,
Speaker 1: zero yards, and you know, you're like, going, is it
Speaker 1: the is it the knee? Is it that? You know,
Speaker 1: and you're hopeful that he's better. I mean, we're just
Speaker 1: that's that's the hope. But let's also be clear, any
Speaker 1: conversation we have about running backs is all, especially veteran
Speaker 1: running backs, is always going to go back to the
Speaker 1: point of replacement value for running backs in the NFL
Speaker 1: is actually a pretty favorable things for teams. I get
Speaker 1: a lot of fights, so many young backs coming out
Speaker 1: of college that can produce if you can put them
Speaker 1: in the right situation immediately. And and and the longer
Speaker 1: that goes, the more years they're in the NFL, the
Speaker 1: more there's a drop off. And that drop off can
Speaker 1: be pretty precipitous. So that's what that's what it's more
Speaker 1: about than than even in the in any individual player,
Speaker 1: lack of Tony Pollot. It's more about like, are we
Speaker 1: gonna bet this is start talking about long term deal.
Speaker 1: Are you going to bet that he defies the odds
Speaker 1: of what's happened to all these other running backs over time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think the Cowboys want to
Speaker 1: get into the running back business anymore. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: with the with big contracts and stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: just don't I think that. You know, they're grateful for
Speaker 1: what Zeke did, but I don't think they want to
Speaker 1: get in that business. This is a very rare year
Speaker 1: when you watch in the draft for the running backs.
Speaker 1: This thing is going to go from the first round
Speaker 1: of the fifth round easy with quality of players, really
Speaker 1: good players. You know, your University of Texas has got
Speaker 1: two of them. You know, you could take one of
Speaker 1: them in the first and it might be one of
Speaker 1: the best players of the whole entire draft, and his
Speaker 1: backup you could take in the third round and he
Speaker 1: might be just as good as the guy that was
Speaker 1: taken you know. First. Overall over the running backs, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break here. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, guys, which addition to this team
Speaker 1: you think will have the greatest impact. There are a
Speaker 1: couple of players that really have turned some heads and
Speaker 1: have a lot of potential of what they can be.
Speaker 1: I want to find out from you guys which don't
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. They're talking about free agency and taking a
Speaker 1: bigger picture look at what the Cowboys have done to
Speaker 1: this point. My question for you guys opening this segment
Speaker 1: is which player that was added will have the greater
Speaker 1: impact this season. Stefan Gilmore, Brandon Cooks, Chuma Edoga, Ronald Jones,
Speaker 1: Trent Sieg Gotta have a good snap starts with the operation.
Speaker 1: I would say that other can can't start to can't
Speaker 1: have a field goal without that guy. Uh Now, I
Speaker 1: am see I think I think to me, I feel
Speaker 1: like that the corner is going to have the bigger
Speaker 1: impact here Gilmore. I really do, because I feel like
Speaker 1: he's going to be very steady with the way that
Speaker 1: he plays, and there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 1: questions that Diggs is going to have to answer. I
Speaker 1: hope he handles this contract extension thing well. I don't
Speaker 1: want him to get distracted and all that, you know,
Speaker 1: with what's ahead for him and having to play. And
Speaker 1: I say that in a way that I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna need some really really steady guys. Bland Gilmore, We'll
Speaker 1: see you with Lewis coming back. We'll see how that.
Speaker 1: But I worry a little bit about that with the
Speaker 1: secondary and stuff with Diggs. I hope he just doesn't
Speaker 1: get too emotional about what's ahead for him and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they keep asking him questions about it
Speaker 1: and it affects the way he plays. So you'd better
Speaker 1: have some guys that could kind of pick up the
Speaker 1: slack if there's some rough stuff going on in that secondary.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't disagree. I think this is as
Speaker 1: a tie. I could go both ways. I'll I'll just
Speaker 1: to play the other side of it. I'll say Cooks
Speaker 1: because what I love about what he's done is that
Speaker 1: he has been very quarterback friendly, and we we've said
Speaker 1: the term Dack friendly, Romo friendly and all that. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy that's come in and he's had a thousand
Speaker 1: year our seasons with the best or the best. He's
Speaker 1: at thousand yard seasons with Deshaun Watson and Davis Mills
Speaker 1: and you know, along with the Breeze and Brady and
Speaker 1: so Dak fits right in between them somewhere, and I
Speaker 1: think that he'll come in and he'll be really good
Speaker 1: for this offense. So which is what they need. They
Speaker 1: need more playmakers. We saw it in San Francisco, they
Speaker 1: didn't have playmakers. I think Cooks has shown he's a playmaker,
Speaker 1: so I think he helps too. But I mean Gilmore
Speaker 1: on the other side of Diggs sounds pretty good too.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me would be I mean, either are good,
Speaker 1: but to me, definitely Gilmore. He's a guy that seems
Speaker 1: that he would be able to step right in, fit
Speaker 1: in with the locker room, the guys here, and I
Speaker 1: do think that he will be able to elevate Digg's
Speaker 1: game up because if you think about it, who else
Speaker 1: was playing corner quite a decent level nobody, So when
Speaker 1: you're lacking no no, no, okay, yes, absolutely, but I'm
Speaker 1: talking on that other side. Yeah, I know what You're
Speaker 1: actually take two guys off the street late in a
Speaker 1: year Togo play the level corner. I mean Bland did
Speaker 1: a really really good job. I think the question that
Speaker 1: what you're talking about really is Anthony Brown and with
Speaker 1: the way he played last year and whoever came after
Speaker 1: your second and third round picks from two years ago
Speaker 1: that they didn't want to put on the field. True. True. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So where I'm getting at, I think there's a thing
Speaker 1: when you don't have even within your own team, within
Speaker 1: your own group of the cornerback room, when you don't
Speaker 1: have somebody else creating some type of competition and like level,
Speaker 1: like turning up the level, like the intensity of things
Speaker 1: even at practice and you're the best one out there,
Speaker 1: it can't lead to you kind of lowering the way
Speaker 1: that you play or maybe not going at out there
Speaker 1: and competing as much. And I'm not saying that's what happened,
Speaker 1: But where I'm getting at, I think by Gilmour coming
Speaker 1: in the fact that Dix respects him a ton, I
Speaker 1: think you will just elevate his game and it's just
Speaker 1: gonna elevate the whole defense to another level, and that's
Speaker 1: definitely an area that we all know the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: lacking last year. Let me ask you guys this question
Speaker 1: on Brandon Cooks, and I apologize if this is something
Speaker 1: you guys have talked about, but something that just still
Speaker 1: kind of lingers in the back of my mind. I
Speaker 1: love the Brandon Brandon Cooks trade. Why does he bounced
Speaker 1: around so many places? Why has he been at so
Speaker 1: many teams? Because you look at his numbers. I mean
Speaker 1: he's had one, two, three, four, five, six, six seasons
Speaker 1: where he's been over a thousand yards. Yeah, teams don't
Speaker 1: typically let guys like that go, And to now be
Speaker 1: on his fiftheam my man gets traded for first round
Speaker 1: picks all the time. I just don't understand why teams
Speaker 1: were so willing to let him go when he's been productive,
Speaker 1: even as you said, Nick, when it's been with quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that aren't premier quarterbacks in this league. Do you guys
Speaker 1: have any insight on that now? And they asked him
Speaker 1: the same question, and of course he's definitely a glass
Speaker 1: half full guy because he said, well, what why are
Speaker 1: teams trading for me? Then you know why are teams? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it just it happens like that, and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of it is, you know, do they
Speaker 1: view him as a progress stopper? Because what happens is
Speaker 1: is that you you make those you have those those seasons,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, okay, what usually comes next when
Speaker 1: a guy balls out what happens? He wants money? You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well it was good for this number, but now that
Speaker 1: you want this, I don't know about that. And so
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of just a unique, unique thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's only two guys in the history of the NFL
Speaker 1: that have had four one thousand yard seasons with four
Speaker 1: different teams, you know, and Brandon Marshall and him. And
Speaker 1: you can say the same thing about Brandon Marshall. Why
Speaker 1: why did he never stick to and you don't really know.
Speaker 1: He was a good player, good player on a lot
Speaker 1: of teams. So but I don't think it's attitude. I
Speaker 1: really don't. I don't. I don't think. I just think
Speaker 1: it's kind of more circumstantial. Well, my computer got locked up?
Speaker 1: Is that you I guess? Oh, I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened just here? Okay, Okay, I had the microphone, I
Speaker 1: had had it turned off. I guess he just got
Speaker 1: locked up. Sorry about that. Um, yeah, because And honestly,
Speaker 1: the one that really sticks out to me looking at
Speaker 1: Brandon sites, it's two thousand and seventeen with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: where he had one hundred, he had one thousand and
Speaker 1: eighty two yards, he had seven touchdowns, he evered sixteen
Speaker 1: point six yards per catch, and he was a one
Speaker 1: and done season. Like after that, Denis off to the Rams,
Speaker 1: and that just that one really just seems weird to
Speaker 1: me that after one year he was traded. He was traded, Yeah,
Speaker 1: after one year of really good production, like that's good
Speaker 1: production to just be like, yeah, we're good. And again,
Speaker 1: it could have been a contract I don't know the
Speaker 1: history there. It could have been a contract situation where
Speaker 1: they were like, we know he's gonna be asking for
Speaker 1: this amount of money, We're not willing to pay him that.
Speaker 1: And so you know, well, when the Cowboys trained him
Speaker 1: next year, well we'll ask you know that that question.
Speaker 1: I guess after the season he gives you a thousand yards. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be great. And by the way, this is a
Speaker 1: good problem to have because he's product produced everywhere, so hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the production. I'm just interested to know
Speaker 1: more about why. I wish I could talk to some
Speaker 1: of the teams that made these deals and why they
Speaker 1: thought it was okay to get rid of a guy
Speaker 1: who was disproductive. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thing to wonder.
Speaker 1: But as of right now today, I'm just like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't care either bring him here. It
Speaker 1: just feels like, at least for this year, it just
Speaker 1: feels to me that the Cowboys finally are on the
Speaker 1: better side of the deal. Sometimes you talk about free agency,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's been known in the Cowboys history
Speaker 1: of free agency that they tend to go for bargains
Speaker 1: and you don't know how it's gonna pan out, and
Speaker 1: they always get them. Oh my god, what's the word
Speaker 1: in English? I'm thinking in Spanish. My brain switched to Spanish.
Speaker 1: The crumbles that are left on the plate, you know,
Speaker 1: the crumble left of free agency. And for some reason,
Speaker 1: this year, everything that they've done in this free agency,
Speaker 1: even though nothing feels like a huge splash, it still
Speaker 1: feels that you've got a really, really good free agency,
Speaker 1: and every single guy that they've brought in from outside
Speaker 1: and the guys that they've signed in house, you just
Speaker 1: feel like they're all going to contribute this year. Can
Speaker 1: I ask a question about to the panel here, of
Speaker 1: which which are you more surprised of the way this
Speaker 1: result happened. That they traded for two quality pieces or
Speaker 1: they resigned Donovan Wilson. I would say, well, that's a
Speaker 1: good question, because I would say the trade because we
Speaker 1: don't usually see it often. But resigning the safety to
Speaker 1: a good to you know, resigning the safety to a
Speaker 1: big deal we haven't really seen since Roy Williams, and
Speaker 1: you could make that argument that maybe that wasn't even
Speaker 1: a great idea. Um, But yeah, I mean I think,
Speaker 1: I think, um, I'm probably I'm more surprised about the trades. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they love draft picks. Yeah, even though fifth and
Speaker 1: six runners that they love drafts, those compensatory picks, and
Speaker 1: they did a good job in moving those along. Now
Speaker 1: that you get traders, I'm more surprised that they got
Speaker 1: Wilson done because coming out of the combine talking to people,
Speaker 1: you know, it seemed like it was miles apart, I
Speaker 1: mean miles apart that that you know this, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but here's The thing though, Brian, and you can go back.
Speaker 1: Let's look at the history of the Jones family when
Speaker 1: they've had free agencies, free agents, it's not often that
Speaker 1: they really want a guy they lose, they don't get him, no, right,
Speaker 1: And so for me, the question I kept asking the
Speaker 1: people I was talking to around the building was how
Speaker 1: much do they want Donovan Wilson? And oh no, no.
Speaker 1: All I heard was they really want no no, Yeah
Speaker 1: that you got. It's funny because the coaching staff was adamant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you know people that know
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn, if you know people that know Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy I think was hinting to the media that hey, no,
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson is important to what we're trying to do here,
Speaker 1: you know, and Dan Quinn and people I know were like, no, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dan loves Wilson, you know, I mean like that, like, really,
Speaker 1: oh no, Dan loves Wilson, so to me. But then
Speaker 1: like there were people like Bobby Belts the world stuff
Speaker 1: that we're dealing with, you know, agents or whoever, and
Speaker 1: they're like, man, this is no, one's not going to
Speaker 1: be easy. But negotiation. Buton's family negotiates. They negotiate hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for players they love and they want to have here,
Speaker 1: they're going to negotiate it hard. And Jesse Bates I
Speaker 1: think got fourteen a year from the former Bengal guy, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's where his agent thought he was
Speaker 1: the range he was going to be in. And that's
Speaker 1: why it was miles apart because the Cowboys kind of
Speaker 1: stuck to their guns here and so they just said,
Speaker 1: you know, I always go back to the DeMarco Murray deal.
Speaker 1: You know, they wanted to Marco Murray rush for eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred yards an NFL rushing champ that year, and they said,
Speaker 1: this is the number we're gonna pay you. If you
Speaker 1: find it over it, go for it, and he did. So.
Speaker 1: I think they were gonna do that with Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 1: I do. I think if it was got if it
Speaker 1: would have getten forgot over ten million. They were said nah,
Speaker 1: but it didn't. It didn't get that far. The amazing
Speaker 1: thing is, and you know Adam Pacific and those guys upstairs,
Speaker 1: and what they do is you got a couple of
Speaker 1: players that never did you got money back from the Texans,
Speaker 1: you know, and got better deals and then you got
Speaker 1: a corner who said, no, I'm happy about being here.
Speaker 1: I don't need any new money. You know, you got
Speaker 1: two players, You got the Texans to pay the freight
Speaker 1: on one of the guys, and the other guy says, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't need new money. I mean usually it's like
Speaker 1: you make a trade, it's like, oh, we have to renegotiate,
Speaker 1: we have to put new money into this deal and
Speaker 1: all that. None of that, so good for them. Forget
Speaker 1: it done that way. Let's talk about another player that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys actually released this offseason, Zeke Elliott. He's still
Speaker 1: out there as a free agent. My personal belief is
Speaker 1: that it's more situation, where as is the case a
Speaker 1: lot of times with veterans. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those things where you get to training camp,
Speaker 1: a couple of teams looser, they're running back and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: who's available, and oh, wow, Zeke Eli is available. I mean,
Speaker 1: we should bring him in. Maybe that's when it happens.
Speaker 1: But we have still heard things around the Cowboys organization.
Speaker 1: What they said, yeah, never never close the door on anything. Sure,
Speaker 1: how realistic do you think it is that that Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott is back with this team by the beginning of
Speaker 1: the season. This seems I'm not realistic at all. I
Speaker 1: just don't see it happening. I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to close the door because they don't. Um, they don't
Speaker 1: want to say that doors close out of just out
Speaker 1: of respect. But I think it's a you know, put
Speaker 1: the toothpaste back in the tube there. It's just not
Speaker 1: this is not going to happen. I really don't believe
Speaker 1: it's going to happen at all here. Um, unless, like
Speaker 1: you said, there's an injury and then now you're looking
Speaker 1: for something you know, Um, yeah, if if you're needed
Speaker 1: guys on the street, you know, something would happen to
Speaker 1: your running backs. Yeah. Well, here's a guy that knows
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, knows the environment, kind of knows
Speaker 1: the system. I means changing a little bit, but but
Speaker 1: you know, knows it enough. Yeah. But I just don't
Speaker 1: see it happen. It's unfortunate that Zeke needed to jump
Speaker 1: in early with these teams. We saw like a week
Speaker 1: where running backs, the free agent running backs were getting
Speaker 1: signed up, and I felt like that Zeke needed to
Speaker 1: be part of that group. He needed to jump in
Speaker 1: with a team, because what's happened now is pro days
Speaker 1: are over. They're upstairs working on the draft, and nobody's
Speaker 1: thinking about free agency anymore. Nobody's thinking about They're looking
Speaker 1: at They're looking at eighteen running backs and going, huh,
Speaker 1: these eighteen running backs for this or we have to
Speaker 1: pay a guy two and a half million dollars. You
Speaker 1: know that that that's not that's signed in May. I believe,
Speaker 1: like I say, but like I was hopeful that he
Speaker 1: would jump in with somebody and be with a team
Speaker 1: before the draft, before people started putting their boards together.
Speaker 1: It's Fournet still out there. I don't know Leonard Fournette,
Speaker 1: Yes he is, I believe. I believe. I've seen him
Speaker 1: as similar tight guys on the free agent market, and
Speaker 1: that's where again, those will be the guy I think
Speaker 1: that teams will fill in if they get into a situation.
Speaker 1: Ran knows how this goes. I mean, it's almost like
Speaker 1: a pause. You know, we're like, all right now, we're
Speaker 1: going to shift gears and we're focused on you know,
Speaker 1: you're getting close enough to create to the draft, like
Speaker 1: why would we sign this guy? And then somebody falls
Speaker 1: in our lap. And now we want to have to
Speaker 1: So let's just wait and see and we'll pause and
Speaker 1: then we'll revisit. And by the way, he'll be out there.
Speaker 1: That's the expectation. All these guys are out there now.
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna still be out there from now. So
Speaker 1: just see what happens to the draft. What do you
Speaker 1: think has been the difference as to why they're changing
Speaker 1: strategy or changing the way that they usually do things.
Speaker 1: And when you summarize, you know, we talked about Zeke.
Speaker 1: We know sometimes they they kind of hold on to
Speaker 1: certain players that they really really like, even outside of
Speaker 1: what they're bringing on the field, just because of the
Speaker 1: relationship there. We we talked about the two trades, We
Speaker 1: talk about a contract with a safety. So little things
Speaker 1: like that that you're not used to seeing the Cowboys do.
Speaker 1: What would you say gives into the change in free
Speaker 1: agency as a whole? I think I think that first
Speaker 1: of all, you're gonna you have to have a good
Speaker 1: football team, and I think that they believe that they do,
Speaker 1: just like they did last year. You know, they had
Speaker 1: a good team last year they lost in the playoffs
Speaker 1: to the forty nine ers. Talking about two years ago,
Speaker 1: and then you go into the offseason, and they waited
Speaker 1: until they kind of made splash moves like you know,
Speaker 1: we need we're gonna get Anthony bar We're gonna get
Speaker 1: Jason Peters, We're gonna get They still got big name guys,
Speaker 1: but they waited a little bit. But I think it
Speaker 1: was it was an all in approach, like this is
Speaker 1: a good team. We're not gonna we're not gonna let
Speaker 1: one or two injuries derail this team. And now that
Speaker 1: I think they just went a little bit more aggressive
Speaker 1: with it. And I will say the quality of the
Speaker 1: big name guys they got this year versus last year
Speaker 1: is different. Like these guys I think are still I
Speaker 1: think they are still closer to their prime trade for Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they say they kind of, you know, ramped
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. And and why not. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy knows if if he didn't go to the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game, we're gonna be talking about his job. I mean,
Speaker 1: he knows that, so he's gotta he's gotta go all
Speaker 1: in on this. Zeke Elliott, Kareem Hunt, Leonard Fournette still
Speaker 1: on the street right now. If you're looking for a
Speaker 1: back so again, those are the types of guys that
Speaker 1: teams will be able to fill in their rosters after
Speaker 1: they get past draft and look at those guys, and
Speaker 1: I would be interested to see where Zeke falls in
Speaker 1: that category among those backs, like is he the priority guy,
Speaker 1: is he the top of that list, or is he
Speaker 1: kind of equal with him? And it's all about how
Speaker 1: much money you have to pay for him. I'd be
Speaker 1: interested to see with the market thinks of Zeke relatives
Speaker 1: some of those guys. Here's what I wonder about Zeke.
Speaker 1: In really, all backs when you get to this point,
Speaker 1: you know all players. But with Zeke, he's gotta he's
Speaker 1: gotta stay in shape. He's got he can't he can't
Speaker 1: see social, but he's out there working and he's gotta
Speaker 1: be well. He needs to go to place two where
Speaker 1: he can split carries. Yeah, he learned that splitting carries
Speaker 1: is good for his health. Long term, he'll be good.
Speaker 1: I mean he had a lot of carries here. I mean, yeah, carries.
Speaker 1: He'll be. He'll be good for a team. I mean
Speaker 1: he really will. I think I don't know when or
Speaker 1: where it'll it'll be, but you know he'll be good.
Speaker 1: It's just sometimes it just it doesn't. It's not the one.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not this team. You know it won't
Speaker 1: be this team. I don't believe. All Right, we appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys, you want us. We'll be back next week.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get some question next week. I want to
Speaker 1: get some fan questions. We haven't done that in a
Speaker 1: while until then. For Nick Eatman, Brian brought us Amber Garcia.
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