WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Gilmore or Cooks? 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:05.920 Following here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:16.240 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys let go. Are you 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.280 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.720 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.080 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:35.199 with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us A bar Garcia, and 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:40.879 Derek Eagleton. It is Wens the April fifth, twenty twenty three, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.839 season eighteen, episode number one two three. Welcome to the 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.000 latest edition of The Break, live from the s WBC 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.919 Morgan Studios at the Star. We're presented by Miller of Light, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.800 the only Beard of the Dallas Cowboys, and I'm back 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.200 in studio. I've gotten back loud Amber now to kind 0:00:57.200 --> 0:00:59.040 of sit over there and be on her phone and 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.400 not have to worry about in this thing. So thank 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.320 you for hosting while I've been out over I mean, 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:10.240 this is one twenty three. Um, oh my gosh, you're 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.840 right it actually we would have flipped over today. This 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:17.080 is actually episode number one of season nineteen. Nick, Okay, 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.520 thank you. Thanks. That looks so scripted, but it really 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.680 really I was just like, when does it when you 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.839 first it's the NFL. Yeah, calendar, Our calendar year starts 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:32.759 in April, so yes, that would be okay. Yeah, that 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:38.680 season nineteen, episode number one, do the whole intro against nineteen. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.400 I wore a sweatshirt from the first show that we've 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.319 ever done. This is a Bill Parcel special. It is 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:48.080 actually two thousand and three. You need us some ice? 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.840 This is this is the one that This is the 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.800 sweatshirt that Bill had on when he started undressing in 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.080 front of me and it was making me very uncomfortable. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.760 Captain Morgan Captain Morgan style, Yeah, that was. This was 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.080 a sweatshirt that they yeah, on that day. Well, welcome 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:07.560 to the nineteen season over there. Oh no, I'm sorry. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:13.560 I'm sorry about that abort. All right, welcome to the 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.600 nineteen seasons of The Break. Nineteen seasons. Nick, It's been 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.079 nineteen seasons of doing this show, and uh so let's 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.399 let's have some fun today. I know I was out 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.240 during the meat of free agency and when everything was going. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.720 It was crazy because I was on vacation the first 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.360 week and literally calling Nick and bothering him. Well, he 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.480 was actually trying to work, like can you believe they're 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.720 doing all this? Like this is crazy and they're not 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.239 would turn over here. It's like, can you believe someone 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.560 would be on vacation, right, Yeah, it happens usually the 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.960 front office. No, it happens. It happens every year for 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:56.080 me because that's huge. Two Bryan brought us last season 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:01.840 of the twenty season. Probably not, probably not, but no, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.919 it was. It was an interesting free agency start the 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.440 free agency because it's not something we've been used to 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.400 seeing with this front office. So I do what I 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.160 would love to do today is I want to take 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.960 a little bigger picture view of this now that we've 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.440 gotten past the initial wave of free agency, quite frankly, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.560 the meta free agency. Anything else that happens at this point, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.120 they will be kind of those those deals that really 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.920 won't probably make as big of a difference for your team. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.160 They're kind of fillers at this point. But we do 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.359 Before we get into that conversation, I want to talk 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.160 about a couple final deals that got had done or 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.120 I shouldn't say final, but a couple more deals that 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.560 got done last week. Since the last time you were 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.840 guys were on the air. Jonathan Hankins Cowboys signed him 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.800 to a one year deal. What does this move do 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:49.000 for this team clogs up the middle man. And I 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:53.200 thought when he came in, they made that trade. To me, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.720 I don't remember the dates exactly, but I thought after 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.040 that Eagles game up there in Philly where they had 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.000 to get off the field on defense and they just couldn't. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.720 They just couldn't, they couldn't stop the run, they said, 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:05.000 we gotta, we gotta make a change. They got Hankins in. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.080 You know, they didn't face Hurts and the Eagles again, 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.720 like you know until well, they didn't face him again. 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.120 But but I still think they you could tell they 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:15.480 were stopping the run better, and then when he gets hurt, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.200 you can see a difference. So to me, he solidifies 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.080 the middle. He's older guy, you still need some more help, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.520 but I do. I do think it's a it's a 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:28.520 nice nice Uh. Yeah, he's the he's the type of 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.600 guy from season seven. We still don't know. We still 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.800 you didn't hear the drop, but we still I know 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.760 that I know that you know exactly, I don't know. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.000 We don't know who who I was referring to. Yeah, 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.760 I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was probably like 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:49.080 a Monterrey Holland or somebody like that, a party node 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.479 a song about Yeah, yeah, it was one of those 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:55.480 kind of guys. But anyway, so California treatment right, No, no, 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.640 I don't even know what you're talking about. Entre Holland 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.360 is now the starter. Monterrey Holland is now the starter. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.960 You know, he keeps on block, he keeps it has 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:16.440 California Archer help with that, those little sounds on the 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.840 field as they're stretching, you know, and it was just 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.720 it was being he was playing. There's some other, you know, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.600 other versions of it, maybe some radio edits and some 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.600 explicit that we won't get into. But for the most part, yeah, 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.200 it's good and I love Montre Holland. He's one of 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.760 my favorites. Thank you, and keeps on blocking, keeps. I 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.240 don't remember what I was about to say. Why he's good, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.920 Hankings he well. To me, he's the type of player 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.839 that you don't um necessarily me from my own perspective, 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.200 I don't really pay attention to him what he's doing 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.240 on the field, but you just know that the type 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.400 of difference maker he is, just like Nick said, you 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.720 know when he's on the field, because you see how 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.680 it affects the run versus when he's not on the field. 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.240 So I just know the running defense stopping the run 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:09.400 improved tremendously when he was on there, and the way 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.320 he was blogging he's a guy that has a lot 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:15.320 of strength, so very very big move. And the dan 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:19.000 Quinn and keeping the main guys that he needs on defense, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.279 I thought, I think they've done such such a good 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.960 job this offseason and free agency and keeping key players 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:31.400 and maintaining a defense that you're pretty much set in 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.920 all areas, or at least you got guys that you're like, Okay, 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.760 this is going to be competitive, So very big signing 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.880 for the Cowboys. Nick, you get a really good memory. 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.080 What was the game he made the stop on fourth 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.800 and one and got hurt? The game this year? You 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.400 got me on that one. Yeah, yeah, but that's what 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.120 I'm saying. I mean, I probably could have looked it 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.440 up and messing up looking at other things here, but 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.120 the thing at Ambar's absolutely right. When he was on 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:59.000 the field, you you knew because not only you saw 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.159 what happened up front, you saw Layton Vanderesh running and 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:05.920 making plays. You know the way that he affects and 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.200 then you know, maybe he even helps Diggi Zua next 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.440 to him, because all of a sudden, now he's doing 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.920 a lot of the dirty work. He's taking up blocks. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.600 Vanderesh's running downhill. Osa's like, you know he's now, oh, 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.720 he's on a one on one with somebody, and now 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.280 he's winning. You know, they just seem like when he 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.600 was on the field, they got more bodies to the ball, 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:31.520 and when he wasn't on the field, it was guys 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.080 having to deal with blockers in their laps. They couldn't 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.600 get off. And then you know, what would have been 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.960 a game of maybe two three yards is now a 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.520 five or six yard game. And you could see it 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:46.760 just watching the games. You're like, well, who's who's playing? Uh, oh, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.720 it's you know, it's Bohannah. And again I'm sound like 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.440 I'm slamming Bohannah here, But you know, Bohannah is a 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:58.280 big guy that doesn't know how to play like Hankins does. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.480 Hankins is a big body that knows how to play, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.080 knows how to take up blocks, knows how to hold 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.560 guys up, knows how to be in the right gap 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:10.280 when it's fourth and one, and somehow, some way, he's 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.559 got a guy in his chest, but he's reaches back 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.560 with his arm and makes a fourth and one stop. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.120 That's the kind of stuff you notice. It's like, my gosh, 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.560 he might have one or two plays a game that 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.800 you notice like that, But the other sixty plays he's 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.520 helping Layton vander esh have twelve tackles that day. That's 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.120 what this guy does, you know. And I think it's 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.720 gonna it's maybe taking them out of the market. We're 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.000 gonna have the draft show after this today. You know, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:41.240 we were talking about defensive tackles, one techniques, guys like 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.959 that that. Oh maybe at twenty six they're gonna take 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.439 I don't think they have to now, I don't think 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.880 they have to. I think they had a checklist of 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.200 how they were going to do this, and then they 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.240 sprinkled in a couple of trades that we didn't really 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.560 see coming. You know, we saw a Jay I personally 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.960 thought the start of free agency was gonna be Jake McQuay. 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.200 I thought, oh, they're gonna sign the long snapper first, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.200 and you know they're going But no, they had a 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.240 systematic plan in the way they did it, and Hankins 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.679 just happened to be the last piece I think of 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.760 that checklist that they went into free agency with. So 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.200 let's flip the script. There was a guy that I 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.000 think they probably had some marginal interest in bringing back 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.960 that they did not bring back. He signs, Carlos Watkins 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.840 signs with Arizona on a one year deal. How much 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.640 did the Cowboys miss him? Not a lot. I really 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.440 don't believe that, and I'm not nothing against him. But 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.440 sometimes when you give anybody this is to a football player, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:37.960 or if you say it to your kids, if you 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.040 say take it or leave it, sometimes they leave it, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.800 you know. And that's what the deal was, take it 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.319 or leave it to a lot of those guys. Hankins 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.079 was one of them. Watkins too, Carlos Watkins, take it 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.960 or leave it. We're not we're not negotiating with you. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.480 He found the Initially they were interested. Yeah, they wanted 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.360 to bring him back. But but under their time to 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.400 the trying right right, Ryan, I just wasn't sure if 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.040 they were interested, Yeah, bring you know, but he was 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.199 a guy also they put on the practice squad and 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.360 he you know, they they were. His attitude changed when 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.200 he got released, It's true, it changed it really and 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.560 he realized it's like, whoa wait, I'm not one of 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.920 the fifty three guys they think I'm important. I'll tell 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.800 you where I noticed him the most. The Cowboys throughout 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.840 the season had several games so they had goal line stance, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.280 and it was like, you know, up front, it was 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.600 wow Walkins, I oh you know, oh he you know, oh, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.040 Tank Walkins. I mean they were kind were they were 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:33.240 playing on that same side. Maybe not so much noticed 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.800 him in the field, but noticed him when it got tight, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.679 and it's like holding up guys and him. Yeah, And 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.199 that's that's where I felt like, that's where I felt 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.200 like that they wanted Walkins back with Dan Quinn and 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:50.480 those guys, because he he went from being a guy 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.720 that played extremely tall and let people wash him to 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.439 a guy that would play with good bass and would 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.920 hold up right there. And I just remember, like from 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.280 our end zone seats, guys are a little further down 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.800 than me where I sit, but being right down there, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.320 you know, you kind of focus in on when that's 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.480 happening in front of you. And I just remember Carlos 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.120 Watkins and then going and watching the film the next day, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.840 like that makes sense. He made that was a good play, 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.080 it might not have been. It's the same thing with 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.079 like what you're getting. You know, with Hankins, it's one 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.640 or two plays a game that makes you go. That's 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.360 why he's one of the forty eight today dressing because 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.840 of that, those those types of plays, and frankly, at 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.960 that position, that's kind of how it works. Like a 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:32.840 defensive tackle, unless you're a warrant SAP type, you're probably 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.720 not going to be a guy, especially at one technique, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.960 probably not gonna be a guy that's always like just flashing. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.160 You're gonna have a few plays again where you can 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.800 be like really make an impact. And that's one of 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.800 the reasons why I thought Hankins was a very important 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.120 signing because he didn't make that impact in those plays, 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.080 and he was willing to do the dirty work on 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.319 all those other plays. Don't necessarily now see he's he's 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.959 I mean, they had to go get Hankins and they 0:11:55.000 --> 0:12:00.480 had to draft Bohannah because Nebell Gallamore gotten a dog house. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.480 You know, Nevill gall We're doing preseason games and Brad 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.760 Sham looks up in Nevill gallam War's in the game 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.480 in a fourth quarter and you're going preseason game. Yeah, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.240 in the preseason game. You're going, wait a minute, what's 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.480 going on here. That's a veteran guy, you know. But 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:18.720 they were searching for somebody to be like Hankins and 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.200 Carlos Watkins and those guys, just to make those two 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.840 or three dirty plays a game. Yeah, all right, we're 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.360 gonna check our first break. 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Awesome. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.600 Let's let's recap this free agency thus far, I'm going 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.520 to read out this these lists of the players that 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.960 were added, the players that were resigned, the players that 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.040 they lost, and the players that are still available. Let's 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.800 look at who was added Stefan Gilmore, Brandon Cook's both 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:33.080 in trade, Chuma Idoga, Ronald Jones, and long snapper Trent Siege. 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.920 Who they resigned, Donovan Wilson, Laton vander Esch, Cooper rush, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:43.000 Tony Pollard, Tack McKinley, Jonathan Hankins, c J. Goodwin, Dante Fowler, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.360 and Rico Dowdle. And here are the players that they lost, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.720 Noah Brown, Luke Gifford, Connor McGovern, Jake McQuaid, Dalton Schultz, 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.920 and Carlos Watkins. Here's first question I got for you guys, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.000 was was there anybody that was lost that you think 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:07.160 the Cowboys really wanted? No, not really wanted. I think 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.560 they wanted Jake mcquad but I don't mean if you 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.720 really want him, you can pay for him. Yeah. Do 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:16.440 you feel like the ship sailed on Dalton Schultz after 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.560 the San Francisco playoff game? Because do you think it 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.120 was a moment when they were just kind of like, Yeah, 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.880 we're good. I was earlier than that. I think that. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.040 I do think now now that I hear stuff, I 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.400 don't there was something going on for a while, or 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:35.080 you can just send some kind of discontent from like 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.600 at times and Nike you've seen him, and I don't 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.120 know if you saw Derek Got any moments like after 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.120 a game, during the locker room, at times, you just 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.600 seem even when he had a good game, or even 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.520 when the Cows won like Dalton, would just be kind of, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.520 you know, a bad mood for whatever reason. Some of 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.440 that might have been. Well, I think some of that 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.680 might have been I got the impression and people that 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.840 I know in the media had mentioned things that suggested 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.800 he was upset with the media, So it might have 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.119 been some of that. And I don't know if that 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.200 I don't know if that necessarily goes to the organization. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.600 But I think part of what we may have been 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.040 seeing in the locker room was maybe there was some 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:21.480 discontent with the media in how they covered when you 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.879 saw him um U interacting or even on the field, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.920 you could see his relationship with the younger tight ends 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.560 and it was really good. I mean, at least that's 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.639 what we all got to see on the field and 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.240 all that. Yeah, I mean he brushes his teeth with saltwater. 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:37.440 I mean he's salt. I mean he always has been, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.400 and and that's just he was this real smart guy too. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.080 So yeah, the media always was dumb, the dumb questions 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.560 and stuff like that. But um, I think I think 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.199 he tried to be a good team player with the 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.560 young guys. You know, you saw he was. He was, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:55.159 you know, a plan with all the you know, he 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.439 jumped in, yeah, what was the whack the mole and 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.240 then the one where they were getting roped. I mean 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:01.960 he was the one down there. I mean like he 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.879 was trying. But I think he was still you know, 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:06.520 it's it's kind of tough when you when you know 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.040 you're on a one year deal and you see these 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.600 young guys and you want to help you replacements. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.840 I mean that's the thing. It was. It was interesting. 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.320 It was it Austin Hooper. I think they played for 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.760 the Browns or whatever, and he was in a situation 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.240 and he said, yeah, we're trying to help these young 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:25.480 tight ends. Wherever he was, he goes It's not like 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:30.080 Jason Witten. Okay, No, Austin Hooper wasn't with Dallas, Yeah, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:33.760 but his college teammate Dalton schultzon was So you kind 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.000 of just connect the dots and you're like trying to 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.080 read between the lines. But how would you know that 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.679 other than Dalton Chulton? Did Dalton feel that way? And 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.680 then ironically here he is in a situation and you 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.760 kind of kind of heard the same stuff too. All 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.280 I know is when his price was lower lower lower 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.240 and he was not signed, he got to the point 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.919 where the cowboys that's the question I had, you know, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.560 And that's why I just asked you this because I 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.320 just was there. You know, he was this, he was 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.200 a he was a franchise tag player. Then he got 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.560 out there and nobody wanted him, and you're and then 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.960 now you're thinking, was the was there a bridge burned 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.200 water under the bridge where the cowboys completely happy with? 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.800 You know, they love they love Hindershot, they really do. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.440 I mean, they like Ferguson too, but they love Hindershot 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.040 that that they feel like they stole one there that 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.879 might be the next one. But she kind of wondered 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.000 if did with the number would ever get low enough. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.080 But to me, it was like if the number ever 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.399 got low enough, Dalton Schultz probably wouldn't come back. He 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.040 would probably say, I'll take that deal with somebody else. 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.040 I'm good to go to Houston, who is doing a 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:48.159 total rebuild with a new quarterback, knew everything new. You know, 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.879 he got three times the money. I think he was 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.240 going to get here at that point. At that point, yeah, 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.200 I just don't think they were going to offer him anything. 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:57.880 And then they knew that wasn't a great deal yet. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.359 See it's funny, Nick and I and I don't know 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.360 if you guys have heard this stuff, and I mean 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.560 and just talking to people around the league that kind 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.440 of had an idea about the money. He turned down 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:11.000 a pretty significant offer from the Cowboys that would have 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.119 been it was gonna be a longer year deal. And 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.040 people think, oh it was three I think I think 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.280 it was. Here was something like five years did he 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.920 turn down? That was roughly going to pay him like 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.920 ten to twelve million dollars a year. He turned that down? 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:27.920 I think thirty six guaranteed? Yeah it was. It was Yeah, Yeah, 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.080 I was here. I mean again, I was talking. That's 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.119 the whole thing up. Yeah, I was Indians up on 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.440 a one year deal. Yeah, and by the way, here's 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.040 the tough part. And obviously he and his agent no 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.359 more than I do about his situation is but I 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.159 have to wonder if if I'm him, I'm going to 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:50.760 a team like Houston that's in a total rebuild, no 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:54.800 guarantees of who the quarterback's gonna be, let alone, if 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:56.800 that quarterback is going to be good enough to be 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.320 able to really help him get what he needs to 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.440 be able. Because he's taken a gamble on himself saying 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.160 I'll do a one year deal like that, that just 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.800 it creates a really tough situation for him going back 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.560 into free agency next year after not really knowing who 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.159