WEBVTT - Dave Willis on Bottle Rocket 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.320 Hey, everybody, welcome to Movie Crush. This is Chuck Bryant 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.640 here at the Home Studio, Atlanta, Georgia, Pont City Market, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.120 and today I've got Dave Willis in the studio and 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.280 Dave is my first, uh first local Atlantic guest. You 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.319 might know Dave's work, well, I hope you know Dave's work, 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.639 because it's pretty great. He got to start many years 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.600 ago in the Cartoon Network. I think maybe the first 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.000 thing he worked on was Space Ghost Coast to Coast 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.360 if I'm not mistaken. He is also the creator of 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.600 Squid Billies and Aquitine Hunger Force and was the voice 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:03.600 of meat Wad. So Davis uh made his name in 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.480 in that world for the most part. And it is 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:10.399 also the director and creator and writer of Your Pretty 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.520 Face Is Going to Hell TV series is very funny. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.920 Dave is the best. He's uh, like I said, local Atlanta, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.360 and we're about the same age, so we sort of 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.640 grew up in the same although a different suburb um, 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.080 sort of in the same world in many ways. So 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:27.760 I was excited to get Dave in here. We've known 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.200 each other for a few years. I think the first 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.360 time I met Dave, we had a trivia night here 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.880 in Atlanta and just hit him up as a as 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.560 a celebrity guest, and he was kind enough to come, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:42.319 and since then we've become pals. And uh, Dave was 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:46.559 here to talk about Bottle Rocket, one of my favorite movies. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.560 So I was really excited to get him in here 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.000 and we had a great conversation. And uh, for those 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.400 of you who have not seen Bottle Rocket as the 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.440 first movie from Wes Anderson, co written by Owen Wilson 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.520 and Wes Anderson and the first the movie debut of 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.440 Owen Wilson and Luke Wilson and also Andrew Wilson Um 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.920 also starring James Kahn, among some other Wes Anderson staple 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.680 character actors that you've seen in his movies. And it 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.480 is the story of two friends, really three friends, but 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.919 mainly two friends, Dignant and Anthony. There's sort of man children. 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.639 The movie opens with Anthony getting out of a mental 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.359 hospital and Dignant has big plans for them to pull 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.600 off some heists and so it's it's a bit of 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.000 a heist movie, a bit of a crime movie, but 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.279 only in the way that Wes Anderson can do a 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:40.040 crime movie. Very funny. Um, you could see the seeds 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.360 of what was to come from Wes Anderson. But this 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.320 movie stands on its own to me, one of my 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.560 all time faves. So here we go with the great 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:54.440 Dave Willis and Bottle Rocket. So you grew up in 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.840 Conyers and went to I grew up in Well it 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.600 had a Stone Mountain address, but it is sort of 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.360 you got to read and or. Yeah, I went to 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.519 Read in but I was right on that Lithonia Read 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.160 and border, so I was more kind of toward Conyers. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.280 But yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of east out there. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:12.880 I know, I was. I was out. We went to 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:19.839 Heritage High School class I was eighty nine. So what 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:24.560 was your hang like, how did movies figure in to 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.919 your early life? Where? What was what was your theater? Uh, 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.720 it would be Originally it was the Salem Gate, which 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.240 then became one of those sort of weird churches. That 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:41.360 mall is still just complete disrepair. But but yeah, after 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.560 after a while, it was right across from the Putt 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:49.040 Putt and uh yeah, I mean between those two places 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.960 and then next to Duval's skating rink. So I mean 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:56.520 I was talking about a real power corner there but yeah, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.920 Salem Salm Gate became one of those sort of Pentecostal churches. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:05.720 When we got the Cinema eight, and um, I guess 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:12.000 I was about it. I still remember, um uh the 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.400 opening weekend. I think I saw all those movies the 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:23.440 opening weekend of that theater. That was an exciting Octopussy. Um. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.920 There was some Peter Strauss movie that was three D 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:30.039 with Molly Ringwald. Adventures in the Forbidden Zone. Man, I 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:34.039 don't know that one. Uh, it's it's got a dumb 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.880 title at the head. I don't want to say ghost 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.919 Hunter or mind Hunter or something, but Adventures in the 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:43.120 Forbidden Zone. There's a there's a Superman sequel. It might 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.960 have been the Richard Prior one. No, I mean I 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.080 definitely saw both of those in the theater, but I 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.640 don't think either one of those were out that weekend. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.760 But yeah, I so. I ended up eventually working at 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.839 Turtles Turtles Records and Tapes, which was right next to 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:06.040 the theater, and my good friend from high school, David Jackson, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.599 worked at the theater. Jim Fortier, who I now make 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:15.680 Squidbillies with, work there Wet Turtles. No, he worked at 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.440 He worked at the theater as well. Um, a bunch 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.600 of guys I knew worked there, So then when they 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.320 would shut down for the night, we would go and 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.000 occasionally play laser tag in the theaters, which is great 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.000 until we discovered that one of the kids put a 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.800 contact lens in his laser gun and that's how it 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.320 sprayed his laser. Really, we were like, he is an 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.000 uncanny shot and he I'm not gonna drop his name. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:47.599 I'm not gonna give him credit here because I remember 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.560 him as a very competitive person and the fact that 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.600 he would do that just still to this day kind 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.560 of kind of infuriates me. Yeah, that was pre like 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.120 the disposable contact so actually sacrifice the lens. Well, his 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.120 parents had some money, so you know, I'm sure he 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.760 could have probably uh talked his way into some more lenses. 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.800 But that's funny, man. You can't like just mentioning Turtles 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:16.440 records and tapes since a flood of nostalgia. I know, 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.640 I I loved I was equally passionate about music, and 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.120 when I got that job, I just thought I had, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.680 yeah that that was like my dream gig and it 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:32.280 was like right around bon Jovi's like huge. I just 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.560 remember remember those dumb displays where you get all the 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.080 posters and flats and try to curl them in different ways, 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.680 and the record company would give you like an extra 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:46.200 They give you like a free DVD for like whoever 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.960 wins the contest for the most inventive way to curl 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.560 your flat? And that we had a whole wall of 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:59.160 a slippery wind wet during the holidays. Bon Jovi's uh 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.760 like that's their big album. And I just remember in 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.520 my mind becoming a music in a ficionado and and 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.200 reading and thinking people come to the record store knowing, 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.480 not knowing what they want, and they might want my guidance. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.280 They might want me to turn them onto something new, 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.600 And so I'd meet them at the front and and 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.239 they and I could see on the look on their face, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.400 you know, I just go, slippery win wets over there, right, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.360 there's a whole wall of it, Like, can I interest 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.480 you in the new Jason and the Scorchers? Where's the 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.320 where's that Bungo anything? What won'ta did or a low 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.280 um double stamp? Wednesdays? Yeah, Yeah, that's true, that's true. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.120 That's when people used to have to camp out for concerts. Yeah, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.680 I totally mine, was it? Um, the Read and Road 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.000 one and uh, I would cheef man, I can't tell 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.440 for so many shows, yeah, well I used to. I 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.440 would work it so to be an early morning, you know, 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.320 and you pull tickets. I remember just clearing the whole 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.680 crowd for the first two shows of R. E. M 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.960 At the Fox, and then they announced a third show, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.360 like right when I sold the last tickets, it was 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.120 like it was all mine. Yeah, and I got an 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.080 orchestra pit. It was great. That's still to me, the 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.000 most fair way tickets have ever been sold was and 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.120 that was even pre pre lottery. Like for a while there, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.200 it was just if you showed up, you got your 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.320 place online and you if you wanted to come two 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:26.920 days early, that was your deal. But then later on 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.120 you could show up and then have to draw the 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.760 lottery number. And that's when it just started kind of 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.640 becoming more and more unfair. This story, I'm I'm not 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:37.800 on it, and I'm not going to drop the name 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.440 on it, um either. But um, there were some guys 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.720 in our that we went to school with it were 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.000 a little sketchy, and there was one guy you used 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.200 to put like bleach in his uh, windshill washer and 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.600 turned him outside and he just pulled up to people 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:58.400 spray their cars or their person And those guys would 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.800 flip tickets and and sell blow pops at school for 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.480 a mark up and stuff like that. But they they 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.240 had a they there was a I can't remember what 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.120 show it was, but it was one of those campout deals, 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:17.480 and right before the doors open, they pushed a flaming 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:22.920 grocery cart full of uh creative loafs on fire into 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.840 the crowd. Crowd scattered just enough where one of their 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.280 h proxies could slip in. Holy cow, are you kidding me? 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.840 I'm not kidding you. I was not there, but I 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.240 heard I've heard the story from numerous people, so it 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.439 sounds like something out of a Richard link Lighter movie. Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:43.800 it's pretty good move though. Yeah, well risky certainly. Yeah, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.800 some some police could potentially get involved, but it paid 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.880 off for them because you get eight row a white 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.599 snake at the Yeah, that's pretty funny. I used to 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.240 Usher shows too, which is amazing now that I look back, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.840 that they would let a fifth ten year old and 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.199 I looked like I was twelve. Um Usher shows that 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.160 the Omni and the fox. I would just show up 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.480 with my smart move. It was great. I saw. I 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.400 saw so many shows that way. It's incredible. Yeah I did. 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.839 It was not Yeah, I was not turned onto that. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.720 That's all. That's well, you know you have a friend, 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.880 it's like, oh dude, this is the ticket. Yeah, show 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.600 up with your black tie and a flashlight and you 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.080 can usher. And it was basically that easy. There was 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.959 no application or it wasn't a job. You would just 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.480 show up with a friend who had recommended you and 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.560 they're like, all right, your section three twelve. That's amazing, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.520 that's incredible. Yeah, that's pretty neat. Uh. So back to 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:42.000 the movies, Um, you Salem Gate was your your jam. 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.040 Initially that was the only option, and then um and 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.400 then that, uh I want to call it car Mike, 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.840 but it was that eight. We got an eight movie 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.360 theater set up and yeah, and that was that was 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.280 my early uh, that was my early movie going experience 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.720 pretty much there. Yeah, I was mainly around Memorial Drive 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.280 or a Northlake mall. Yeah, Memorial Drive because Northlake had 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.839 the not the Dollar Theater, which was a big part 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.160 of mine, right right, Uh, there was a there was 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.520 a drive. There's a drive through at my mom's uh 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:20.800 with the town. My mom grew up in ah in 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.960 West Texas, which it bums me out that my kids, uh, 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.440 my kids have I've gotten to you know. We go 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.400 to the drive through occasionally on Moreland. But yeah, those 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:36.600 were always very very memorable. Yeah, I think my first um, 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.640 I know, one of my earliest movie memories was seeing 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:45.200 double feature of Blazing Saddles. And I was too It 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:47.280 was basically like take the kids along. They didn't take 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.000 me to see Blazing Saddles when I was five, but 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.719 I remember seeing the horse get punched out and kind 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.720 of falling asleep, and it was a double feature with 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.480 something else. But yeah, those were when you tune it 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:00.040 in on the radio. That's the way to do it 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.960 when you when you've got actually they had the speaker 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.800 back then. Yeah, when you well, when you've got a kid, 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.480 you know, well, well we still go to the one 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.600 occasionally on Moreland when our kids were we're very young, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.599 you know, That's how we saw The Dark Night, or 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.240 at least the first seventeen minutes of it. Max just 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.480 flipped out and we're like, all right, maybe time to 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.480 call it a night. Remember when they used to make 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:29.040 movies for adults, like just regular movies. And I know 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.640 everyone kind of complains these days about all the reboots 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.520 and remakes and the comic book movies, but it really 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:40.160 has eaten up so much of the content that there 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.520 aren't those movies like The Verdict or Heaven Can Wait 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.000 or uh, the China Syndrome. You know, just they used 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.000 to make just regular a lot of more dramas. I 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.400 guess Hevning can Wait more of a comedy. But you know, 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.160 I actually just watched The Verdict, uh less than a 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.480 year ago, just because movie. Yeah, it is a great movie. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.839 It looks great. We were doing, um, the show I 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.440 Make Your Pretty Faces Going to hell. Um, we were 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.480 doing a courtroom drama, and I was just sort of 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.600 stocking up on classic courtroom dramas. I just wanted to 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.160 just rip off some cool angles. There's there's one whole 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.240 like two minute long take that is a super wide shot, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.079 just a super well I mean, Paul Newman's an aunt 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.880 in this shot, and I was just like, that's so 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.520 um interesting. You know that they would choose to do 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.280 it that way back in the days of film where 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.520 you're you know, you're making those choices on the set, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.760 You're not just running like three cameras and just getting 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.600 coverage for an editor to piece together. It was such 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:47.839 an interesting, uh choice. So I did do one massively 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.600 wide long take of of the scene just to sort 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.480 of see would it work. I'm editing it right now, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.760 so I don't. I don't know, but a little tribute 0:13:57.760 --> 0:13:59.960 to the verdict. I love it well. I mean still 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.080 Sidney Sidney lu. I mean, you read that book of 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:07.240 his making movies and it's just amazing. Um, and I 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.480 think that's that David Mammitt script to you know. And 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:13.760 I always respond to his stuff. Not his politics certainly, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:18.720 but his his his writing is so just just forceful, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.280 and uh I I love his movies. They're so stiff 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.840 and weird, but but yeah, but I love them. Heist. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.720 Heist is another one that's when like, if I see 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.080 it on cable, I can't, um, I can't not watch it. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.120 And it's because Gene Hackman turns it into Gene Hackman, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.480 takes his dialogue, takes his lines and just he just 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:47.520 owns them. Yeah, yeah, I do too. His wife, Rebecca 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.560 Pigeon is terrible most Wooden actress, and she's like got 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.000 this major role in it, and you're like, so it's 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.320 a it's a it's tricky. It's not a great movie. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.160 But it's like just one of those where I'll just 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.280 I'll watch it, watch it every time I see it. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.240 She's kind of stuff. But for some reason, she worked 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.240 in state in May, and I thought I elect her character. Yeah, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.920 you know, yeah, I think if you read his books 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.920 on movies, his books sort of put the actors second 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.800 in a way that he's like, you don't he's the 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.720 star of the show. A bit. Well, he's like you don't, Like, 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.120 you don't pick up a book thoughtfully. The actor just 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.160 picks up the damn book. Right, The direction is pick 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.840 up the damn book. It's not you don't pick it 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.320 up thoughtfully. You don't pick it up wistfully, you don't 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.320 pick it up with uh, you know, with memories of 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.120 your dead wife lingering. He's like, just pick up the 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.000 damn book. Opened the door. You read his scripts in there, 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.800 like that's how the stage directions read. Yeah, when I 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.880 I used to, I think all beginning screenwriters probably pepper 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.160 it with way too much of that stuff. And as 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.600 I wrote, I just stripped everything out. It's just sort 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.800 of to that basic level where you don't need to 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.880 tell an actor what they're thinking while they're right chick 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.680 assault Yeah, yeah, true, true, but it's but I don't 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.000 I find it very interesting that you've got I think 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.320 you've got stiff performances throughout most of his movies, and 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.520 Gene Hackman is the exception. He kind of comes in 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.360 and I can imagine him probably going, I can't big 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:25.760 boy Gene Hackman. So I think that's why I responded 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:30.000 to it, Um, but whatever, whatever. I would have felt 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.240 like a bozo picking heist for this thing, but oh, 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.200 I don't think so. Really, Yeah, you'd be surprised Hodgeman 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:46.240 picked the Avengerance for God's sake. Alright, So we'll go 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.360 ahead and get into Bottle Rocket. Uh. I did a 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.680 little pre set up here before he recorded. But obviously 0:16:53.720 --> 0:17:00.160 Wes Anderson's first movie, Yeah, the Wilson Brothers first movie. Um. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.480 Written by Owen and Wes back when they were writing 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:07.159 movies together. And I love all of Wes Anderson's movies. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:11.440 But I do think that I do think that since 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.800 Owen quit writing with them, they've lost a little bit 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.520 of heart, no doubt. Uh. And I think it's been 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.399 a bit of a missing element. Uh for me, I 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:23.880 would totally agree with that. I I, um, I don't know. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:29.000 It's tricky. Everything I've ever done, I've worked in a 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.320 partnership with somebody, and you hate, you hate it when 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:37.800 critics or when people ascribe um something to one that 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.840 isn't the other. It's I think it's far more nuanced 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.960 like that. And in some ways a partner is playing 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.639 to another partner's strengths or what appeals to them. I 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.360 mean you, I mean you probably find that in your 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:54.240 podcast with Josh, you know. I mean, I think there's 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.240 so there's some magic to a combination of two people. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:05.080 Um and and I thought, like Life Aquatic that might 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.800 have been the first one that he did without Owen 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.600 Wilson on the byline and there was Noah bomb back 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.440 who I'm like, I love everything that guy does too, 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.800 you love it. And I'm sitting there going, this is 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:21.080 a dream team and um And I really like, Hey, 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.040 everything Wes Anderson does I love to a certain degree, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.560 But I don't think anything has really touched me like 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:34.520 Bottle Rock and like Rushmore. UM to a point on 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.440 Tannon Bombs, I think I lost the threat after a while. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.520 But um, and yeah, I think about it, and you 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:44.720 were like, well, uh, you know, Owen Wilson's probably knocking 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.399 back ten million dollars to just show up at the 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:49.960 call time. You know. And it's hard worked, it's hard 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.720 to write a script. It's hard. It's it's it's it's 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:58.760 some heavy, heavy roadwork, and and uh, you know, and 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:00.879 and people get tired of each other there, and you know, 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:05.200 I mean maybe that who knows, who knows why, but 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.600 but I completely agree with that. Yeah, I'd love to 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:09.800 see them hooked back up for a script. Yeah, you know, 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:12.520 if that'll ever happened. But um, what was your remember 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.359 my first experience with this movie was, Um, I have 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.040 an older brother three years older. And do you haven't 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.960 any older siblings? Yeah? My my sister a Lease, is 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.119 three years older. Was that an influence as far as 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.040 feeding you culture or were you kind of on your 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:29.879 own some in the teens, you know with music? But 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.919 I was kind of I was seeking it out. I 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:38.800 was looking hard, yeah, everywhere for something different, right, you know, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:43.000 so um, you know, so not as much like my 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.800 brother was kind of kind of influential, Like he's the 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.840 one that said you gotta because when you're three years older, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.560 he's in college, first colleges. When you get you know, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.119 your tastes really start to expand. So I was in 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.200 high school and he was saying, you gotta see this 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.359 movie Blue Velvet, and you gotta, you gotta start watching 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.280 Conan Ryan and stuff like that. Before that, it was Letterman. Um. 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.359 But I remember he called me up and said Bottle Rocket. 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.600 He went to go see it. It's in at the 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.199 I think it was at the Terra in Atlanta, and 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.800 he said just go and uh call me afterwards. And 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.600 that was it. And that was how I was introduced 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.880 to Wes Anderson's world. But um, do you remember your 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:26.000 first experience with the movie? I I never do this, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.680 And I watched it twice in a week. And it 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.399 might have been at the Terra as well. But uh, 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:36.240 I loved it so much that first time that I 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.919 found a way to go and watch it again. I 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.560 don't ever do that, like I was raised almost not 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.520 to do that. My dad. My dad's a pilot. He's 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.520 very efficient. He's like, you're seeing it once, why would 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.280 you ever want to see it again? You know? And 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.919 and uh and I uh, but I just responded to it. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.400 You know, It's like I wanted to be those guys. 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:02.560 So it was I think it was more than just um, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.239 more than just watching a movie and being touched by it. 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.880 But you you just resonated with you those guys. Yeah, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.160 for sure. I think especially like dudes around our age 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:18.040 growing up in sort of suburban areas, Uh, this was 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:20.280 those dudes. And and watching it again this morning, and 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:25.719 I've seen it at least a dozen times or more, um, 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:27.960 but watching it this morning, I was kind of struck by, 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:33.760 like Rushmore, a sort of kids acting like adults, all 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.919 those kids sort of doing these adult things. And I 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:38.640 realized watching Bottle Rock at the day is they were 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:43.120 adults acting like kids acting like adults. Had that same thing. 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:46.000 I had that same same thought, And I think that's 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.399 you see that in a lot of Wes Anderson's stuff, 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.800 precocious kids acting like adults and adults acting like children. 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:56.720 And uh, well Bill Murray, for sure, I mean that's 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:58.800 they were best friends in that movie. I mean there's 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:03.600 a whole scene in that where that's underlined where he's like, uh, 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:08.200 you know the Anthony Luke Wilson characters saying, uh is 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.560 talking about his younger sister saying like how did Grace 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.439 get so cynical? You know? And and and dignant. The 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:20.120 Owen Wilson character is like, what has she ever done 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:23.639 with her life? Man? One of my favorite lines in 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:27.200 the movie, you know, and she and she said, and 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:33.720 I think Grace earlier told uh Anthony like he said 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.119 he was exhausted, exhausted or I was in that place 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:42.119 for exhaustion. And she's like, uh you It's like like 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:47.720 what have you done to be tired? Right? Right? Yeah, 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:49.720 I mean there were definitely peers. You know, he was 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:52.000 a peer of his little sister. And you know, that's 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:55.080 exactly why you know, they put such a younger sister 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.440 in the movie. Was just sort of sort of level 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.639 set everyone. You get the idea too, that these that 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.240 Dignan and uh and Anthony and I guess Bob too, 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.120 were they had been doing this stuff since they were 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.040 ten years old, probably playing crime and playing like they 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.760 were thieve master thieves. That's interesting. And uh, then they 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:21.920 are still sort of playing crime when they're doing the crimes. Yeah, yeah, 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.480 they Well there's all sorts of stuff. I mean, they're 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.600 you know, they're playing they're playing pinball, or you know, 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:30.960 you look at their notebook. I mean, that's a classic 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.280 thing where I actually, when I watched it this weekend, 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.800 i've i've I had never done this, but I freast 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:40.000 framed the notebook this morning. It was so great. 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