Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Movie Crush. This is Chuck Bryant
Speaker 1: here at the Home Studio, Atlanta, Georgia, Pont City Market,
Speaker 1: and today I've got Dave Willis in the studio and
Speaker 1: Dave is my first, uh first local Atlantic guest. You
Speaker 1: might know Dave's work, well, I hope you know Dave's work,
Speaker 1: because it's pretty great. He got to start many years
Speaker 1: ago in the Cartoon Network. I think maybe the first
Speaker 1: thing he worked on was Space Ghost Coast to Coast
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. He is also the creator of
Speaker 1: Squid Billies and Aquitine Hunger Force and was the voice
Speaker 1: of meat Wad. So Davis uh made his name in
Speaker 1: in that world for the most part. And it is
Speaker 1: also the director and creator and writer of Your Pretty
Speaker 1: Face Is Going to Hell TV series is very funny.
Speaker 1: Dave is the best. He's uh, like I said, local Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and we're about the same age, so we sort of
Speaker 1: grew up in the same although a different suburb um,
Speaker 1: sort of in the same world in many ways. So
Speaker 1: I was excited to get Dave in here. We've known
Speaker 1: each other for a few years. I think the first
Speaker 1: time I met Dave, we had a trivia night here
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and just hit him up as a as
Speaker 1: a celebrity guest, and he was kind enough to come,
Speaker 1: and since then we've become pals. And uh, Dave was
Speaker 1: here to talk about Bottle Rocket, one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 1: So I was really excited to get him in here
Speaker 1: and we had a great conversation. And uh, for those
Speaker 1: of you who have not seen Bottle Rocket as the
Speaker 1: first movie from Wes Anderson, co written by Owen Wilson
Speaker 1: and Wes Anderson and the first the movie debut of
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson and Luke Wilson and also Andrew Wilson Um
Speaker 1: also starring James Kahn, among some other Wes Anderson staple
Speaker 1: character actors that you've seen in his movies. And it
Speaker 1: is the story of two friends, really three friends, but
Speaker 1: mainly two friends, Dignant and Anthony. There's sort of man children.
Speaker 1: The movie opens with Anthony getting out of a mental
Speaker 1: hospital and Dignant has big plans for them to pull
Speaker 1: off some heists and so it's it's a bit of
Speaker 1: a heist movie, a bit of a crime movie, but
Speaker 1: only in the way that Wes Anderson can do a
Speaker 1: crime movie. Very funny. Um, you could see the seeds
Speaker 1: of what was to come from Wes Anderson. But this
Speaker 1: movie stands on its own to me, one of my
Speaker 1: all time faves. So here we go with the great
Speaker 1: Dave Willis and Bottle Rocket. So you grew up in
Speaker 1: Conyers and went to I grew up in Well it
Speaker 1: had a Stone Mountain address, but it is sort of
Speaker 1: you got to read and or. Yeah, I went to
Speaker 1: Read in but I was right on that Lithonia Read
Speaker 1: and border, so I was more kind of toward Conyers.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of east out there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I was. I was out. We went to
Speaker 1: Heritage High School class I was eighty nine. So what
Speaker 1: was your hang like, how did movies figure in to
Speaker 1: your early life? Where? What was what was your theater? Uh,
Speaker 1: it would be Originally it was the Salem Gate, which
Speaker 1: then became one of those sort of weird churches. That
Speaker 1: mall is still just complete disrepair. But but yeah, after
Speaker 1: after a while, it was right across from the Putt
Speaker 1: Putt and uh yeah, I mean between those two places
Speaker 1: and then next to Duval's skating rink. So I mean
Speaker 1: I was talking about a real power corner there but yeah,
Speaker 1: Salem Salm Gate became one of those sort of Pentecostal churches.
Speaker 1: When we got the Cinema eight, and um, I guess
Speaker 1: I was about it. I still remember, um uh the
Speaker 1: opening weekend. I think I saw all those movies the
Speaker 1: opening weekend of that theater. That was an exciting Octopussy. Um.
Speaker 1: There was some Peter Strauss movie that was three D
Speaker 1: with Molly Ringwald. Adventures in the Forbidden Zone. Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know that one. Uh, it's it's got a dumb
Speaker 1: title at the head. I don't want to say ghost
Speaker 1: Hunter or mind Hunter or something, but Adventures in the
Speaker 1: Forbidden Zone. There's a there's a Superman sequel. It might
Speaker 1: have been the Richard Prior one. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: definitely saw both of those in the theater, but I
Speaker 1: don't think either one of those were out that weekend.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I so. I ended up eventually working at
Speaker 1: Turtles Turtles Records and Tapes, which was right next to
Speaker 1: the theater, and my good friend from high school, David Jackson,
Speaker 1: worked at the theater. Jim Fortier, who I now make
Speaker 1: Squidbillies with, work there Wet Turtles. No, he worked at
Speaker 1: He worked at the theater as well. Um, a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys I knew worked there, So then when they
Speaker 1: would shut down for the night, we would go and
Speaker 1: occasionally play laser tag in the theaters, which is great
Speaker 1: until we discovered that one of the kids put a
Speaker 1: contact lens in his laser gun and that's how it
Speaker 1: sprayed his laser. Really, we were like, he is an
Speaker 1: uncanny shot and he I'm not gonna drop his name.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give him credit here because I remember
Speaker 1: him as a very competitive person and the fact that
Speaker 1: he would do that just still to this day kind
Speaker 1: of kind of infuriates me. Yeah, that was pre like
Speaker 1: the disposable contact so actually sacrifice the lens. Well, his
Speaker 1: parents had some money, so you know, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: could have probably uh talked his way into some more lenses.
Speaker 1: But that's funny, man. You can't like just mentioning Turtles
Speaker 1: records and tapes since a flood of nostalgia. I know,
Speaker 1: I I loved I was equally passionate about music, and
Speaker 1: when I got that job, I just thought I had,
Speaker 1: yeah that that was like my dream gig and it
Speaker 1: was like right around bon Jovi's like huge. I just
Speaker 1: remember remember those dumb displays where you get all the
Speaker 1: posters and flats and try to curl them in different ways,
Speaker 1: and the record company would give you like an extra
Speaker 1: They give you like a free DVD for like whoever
Speaker 1: wins the contest for the most inventive way to curl
Speaker 1: your flat? And that we had a whole wall of
Speaker 1: a slippery wind wet during the holidays. Bon Jovi's uh
Speaker 1: like that's their big album. And I just remember in
Speaker 1: my mind becoming a music in a ficionado and and
Speaker 1: reading and thinking people come to the record store knowing,
Speaker 1: not knowing what they want, and they might want my guidance.
Speaker 1: They might want me to turn them onto something new,
Speaker 1: And so I'd meet them at the front and and
Speaker 1: they and I could see on the look on their face,
Speaker 1: you know, I just go, slippery win wets over there, right,
Speaker 1: there's a whole wall of it, Like, can I interest
Speaker 1: you in the new Jason and the Scorchers? Where's the
Speaker 1: where's that Bungo anything? What won'ta did or a low
Speaker 1: um double stamp? Wednesdays? Yeah, Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's when people used to have to camp out for concerts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally mine, was it? Um, the Read and Road
Speaker 1: one and uh, I would cheef man, I can't tell
Speaker 1: for so many shows, yeah, well I used to. I
Speaker 1: would work it so to be an early morning, you know,
Speaker 1: and you pull tickets. I remember just clearing the whole
Speaker 1: crowd for the first two shows of R. E. M
Speaker 1: At the Fox, and then they announced a third show,
Speaker 1: like right when I sold the last tickets, it was
Speaker 1: like it was all mine. Yeah, and I got an
Speaker 1: orchestra pit. It was great. That's still to me, the
Speaker 1: most fair way tickets have ever been sold was and
Speaker 1: that was even pre pre lottery. Like for a while there,
Speaker 1: it was just if you showed up, you got your
Speaker 1: place online and you if you wanted to come two
Speaker 1: days early, that was your deal. But then later on
Speaker 1: you could show up and then have to draw the
Speaker 1: lottery number. And that's when it just started kind of
Speaker 1: becoming more and more unfair. This story, I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: on it, and I'm not going to drop the name
Speaker 1: on it, um either. But um, there were some guys
Speaker 1: in our that we went to school with it were
Speaker 1: a little sketchy, and there was one guy you used
Speaker 1: to put like bleach in his uh, windshill washer and
Speaker 1: turned him outside and he just pulled up to people
Speaker 1: spray their cars or their person And those guys would
Speaker 1: flip tickets and and sell blow pops at school for
Speaker 1: a mark up and stuff like that. But they they
Speaker 1: had a they there was a I can't remember what
Speaker 1: show it was, but it was one of those campout deals,
Speaker 1: and right before the doors open, they pushed a flaming
Speaker 1: grocery cart full of uh creative loafs on fire into
Speaker 1: the crowd. Crowd scattered just enough where one of their
Speaker 1: h proxies could slip in. Holy cow, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. I was not there, but I
Speaker 1: heard I've heard the story from numerous people, so it
Speaker 1: sounds like something out of a Richard link Lighter movie. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good move though. Yeah, well risky certainly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some some police could potentially get involved, but it paid
Speaker 1: off for them because you get eight row a white
Speaker 1: snake at the Yeah, that's pretty funny. I used to
Speaker 1: Usher shows too, which is amazing now that I look back,
Speaker 1: that they would let a fifth ten year old and
Speaker 1: I looked like I was twelve. Um Usher shows that
Speaker 1: the Omni and the fox. I would just show up
Speaker 1: with my smart move. It was great. I saw. I
Speaker 1: saw so many shows that way. It's incredible. Yeah I did.
Speaker 1: It was not Yeah, I was not turned onto that.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's well, you know you have a friend,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh dude, this is the ticket. Yeah, show
Speaker 1: up with your black tie and a flashlight and you
Speaker 1: can usher. And it was basically that easy. There was
Speaker 1: no application or it wasn't a job. You would just
Speaker 1: show up with a friend who had recommended you and
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, your section three twelve. That's amazing,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. Yeah, that's pretty neat. Uh. So back to
Speaker 1: the movies, Um, you Salem Gate was your your jam.
Speaker 1: Initially that was the only option, and then um and
Speaker 1: then that, uh I want to call it car Mike,
Speaker 1: but it was that eight. We got an eight movie
Speaker 1: theater set up and yeah, and that was that was
Speaker 1: my early uh, that was my early movie going experience
Speaker 1: pretty much there. Yeah, I was mainly around Memorial Drive
Speaker 1: or a Northlake mall. Yeah, Memorial Drive because Northlake had
Speaker 1: the not the Dollar Theater, which was a big part
Speaker 1: of mine, right right, Uh, there was a there was
Speaker 1: a drive. There's a drive through at my mom's uh
Speaker 1: with the town. My mom grew up in ah in
Speaker 1: West Texas, which it bums me out that my kids, uh,
Speaker 1: my kids have I've gotten to you know. We go
Speaker 1: to the drive through occasionally on Moreland. But yeah, those
Speaker 1: were always very very memorable. Yeah, I think my first um,
Speaker 1: I know, one of my earliest movie memories was seeing
Speaker 1: double feature of Blazing Saddles. And I was too It
Speaker 1: was basically like take the kids along. They didn't take
Speaker 1: me to see Blazing Saddles when I was five, but
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the horse get punched out and kind
Speaker 1: of falling asleep, and it was a double feature with
Speaker 1: something else. But yeah, those were when you tune it
Speaker 1: in on the radio. That's the way to do it
Speaker 1: when you when you've got actually they had the speaker
Speaker 1: back then. Yeah, when you well, when you've got a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, well, well we still go to the one
Speaker 1: occasionally on Moreland when our kids were we're very young,
Speaker 1: you know, That's how we saw The Dark Night, or
Speaker 1: at least the first seventeen minutes of it. Max just
Speaker 1: flipped out and we're like, all right, maybe time to
Speaker 1: call it a night. Remember when they used to make
Speaker 1: movies for adults, like just regular movies. And I know
Speaker 1: everyone kind of complains these days about all the reboots
Speaker 1: and remakes and the comic book movies, but it really
Speaker 1: has eaten up so much of the content that there
Speaker 1: aren't those movies like The Verdict or Heaven Can Wait
Speaker 1: or uh, the China Syndrome. You know, just they used
Speaker 1: to make just regular a lot of more dramas. I
Speaker 1: guess Hevning can Wait more of a comedy. But you know,
Speaker 1: I actually just watched The Verdict, uh less than a
Speaker 1: year ago, just because movie. Yeah, it is a great movie.
Speaker 1: It looks great. We were doing, um, the show I
Speaker 1: Make Your Pretty Faces Going to hell. Um, we were
Speaker 1: doing a courtroom drama, and I was just sort of
Speaker 1: stocking up on classic courtroom dramas. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: just rip off some cool angles. There's there's one whole
Speaker 1: like two minute long take that is a super wide shot,
Speaker 1: just a super well I mean, Paul Newman's an aunt
Speaker 1: in this shot, and I was just like, that's so
Speaker 1: um interesting. You know that they would choose to do
Speaker 1: it that way back in the days of film where
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're making those choices on the set,
Speaker 1: You're not just running like three cameras and just getting
Speaker 1: coverage for an editor to piece together. It was such
Speaker 1: an interesting, uh choice. So I did do one massively
Speaker 1: wide long take of of the scene just to sort
Speaker 1: of see would it work. I'm editing it right now,
Speaker 1: so I don't. I don't know, but a little tribute
Speaker 1: to the verdict. I love it well. I mean still
Speaker 1: Sidney Sidney lu. I mean, you read that book of
Speaker 1: his making movies and it's just amazing. Um, and I
Speaker 1: think that's that David Mammitt script to you know. And
Speaker 1: I always respond to his stuff. Not his politics certainly,
Speaker 1: but his his his writing is so just just forceful,
Speaker 1: and uh I I love his movies. They're so stiff
Speaker 1: and weird, but but yeah, but I love them. Heist.
Speaker 1: Heist is another one that's when like, if I see
Speaker 1: it on cable, I can't, um, I can't not watch it.
Speaker 1: And it's because Gene Hackman turns it into Gene Hackman,
Speaker 1: takes his dialogue, takes his lines and just he just
Speaker 1: owns them. Yeah, yeah, I do too. His wife, Rebecca
Speaker 1: Pigeon is terrible most Wooden actress, and she's like got
Speaker 1: this major role in it, and you're like, so it's
Speaker 1: a it's a it's tricky. It's not a great movie.
Speaker 1: But it's like just one of those where I'll just
Speaker 1: I'll watch it, watch it every time I see it.
Speaker 1: She's kind of stuff. But for some reason, she worked
Speaker 1: in state in May, and I thought I elect her character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I think if you read his books
Speaker 1: on movies, his books sort of put the actors second
Speaker 1: in a way that he's like, you don't he's the
Speaker 1: star of the show. A bit. Well, he's like you don't, Like,
Speaker 1: you don't pick up a book thoughtfully. The actor just
Speaker 1: picks up the damn book. Right, The direction is pick
Speaker 1: up the damn book. It's not you don't pick it
Speaker 1: up thoughtfully. You don't pick it up wistfully, you don't
Speaker 1: pick it up with uh, you know, with memories of
Speaker 1: your dead wife lingering. He's like, just pick up the
Speaker 1: damn book. Opened the door. You read his scripts in there,
Speaker 1: like that's how the stage directions read. Yeah, when I
Speaker 1: I used to, I think all beginning screenwriters probably pepper
Speaker 1: it with way too much of that stuff. And as
Speaker 1: I wrote, I just stripped everything out. It's just sort
Speaker 1: of to that basic level where you don't need to
Speaker 1: tell an actor what they're thinking while they're right chick
Speaker 1: assault Yeah, yeah, true, true, but it's but I don't
Speaker 1: I find it very interesting that you've got I think
Speaker 1: you've got stiff performances throughout most of his movies, and
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman is the exception. He kind of comes in
Speaker 1: and I can imagine him probably going, I can't big
Speaker 1: boy Gene Hackman. So I think that's why I responded
Speaker 1: to it, Um, but whatever, whatever. I would have felt
Speaker 1: like a bozo picking heist for this thing, but oh,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Really, Yeah, you'd be surprised Hodgeman
Speaker 1: picked the Avengerance for God's sake. Alright, So we'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and get into Bottle Rocket. Uh. I did a
Speaker 1: little pre set up here before he recorded. But obviously
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson's first movie, Yeah, the Wilson Brothers first movie. Um.
Speaker 1: Written by Owen and Wes back when they were writing
Speaker 1: movies together. And I love all of Wes Anderson's movies.
Speaker 1: But I do think that I do think that since
Speaker 1: Owen quit writing with them, they've lost a little bit
Speaker 1: of heart, no doubt. Uh. And I think it's been
Speaker 1: a bit of a missing element. Uh for me, I
Speaker 1: would totally agree with that. I I, um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's tricky. Everything I've ever done, I've worked in a
Speaker 1: partnership with somebody, and you hate, you hate it when
Speaker 1: critics or when people ascribe um something to one that
Speaker 1: isn't the other. It's I think it's far more nuanced
Speaker 1: like that. And in some ways a partner is playing
Speaker 1: to another partner's strengths or what appeals to them. I
Speaker 1: mean you, I mean you probably find that in your
Speaker 1: podcast with Josh, you know. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: so there's some magic to a combination of two people.
Speaker 1: Um and and I thought, like Life Aquatic that might
Speaker 1: have been the first one that he did without Owen
Speaker 1: Wilson on the byline and there was Noah bomb back
Speaker 1: who I'm like, I love everything that guy does too,
Speaker 1: you love it. And I'm sitting there going, this is
Speaker 1: a dream team and um And I really like, Hey,
Speaker 1: everything Wes Anderson does I love to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: But I don't think anything has really touched me like
Speaker 1: Bottle Rock and like Rushmore. UM to a point on
Speaker 1: Tannon Bombs, I think I lost the threat after a while.
Speaker 1: But um, and yeah, I think about it, and you
Speaker 1: were like, well, uh, you know, Owen Wilson's probably knocking
Speaker 1: back ten million dollars to just show up at the
Speaker 1: call time. You know. And it's hard worked, it's hard
Speaker 1: to write a script. It's hard. It's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: some heavy, heavy roadwork, and and uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: and people get tired of each other there, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe that who knows, who knows why, but
Speaker 1: but I completely agree with that. Yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 1: see them hooked back up for a script. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if that'll ever happened. But um, what was your remember
Speaker 1: my first experience with this movie was, Um, I have
Speaker 1: an older brother three years older. And do you haven't
Speaker 1: any older siblings? Yeah? My my sister a Lease, is
Speaker 1: three years older. Was that an influence as far as
Speaker 1: feeding you culture or were you kind of on your
Speaker 1: own some in the teens, you know with music? But
Speaker 1: I was kind of I was seeking it out. I
Speaker 1: was looking hard, yeah, everywhere for something different, right, you know,
Speaker 1: so um, you know, so not as much like my
Speaker 1: brother was kind of kind of influential, Like he's the
Speaker 1: one that said you gotta because when you're three years older,
Speaker 1: he's in college, first colleges. When you get you know,
Speaker 1: your tastes really start to expand. So I was in
Speaker 1: high school and he was saying, you gotta see this
Speaker 1: movie Blue Velvet, and you gotta, you gotta start watching
Speaker 1: Conan Ryan and stuff like that. Before that, it was Letterman. Um.
Speaker 1: But I remember he called me up and said Bottle Rocket.
Speaker 1: He went to go see it. It's in at the
Speaker 1: I think it was at the Terra in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: he said just go and uh call me afterwards. And
Speaker 1: that was it. And that was how I was introduced
Speaker 1: to Wes Anderson's world. But um, do you remember your
Speaker 1: first experience with the movie? I I never do this,
Speaker 1: And I watched it twice in a week. And it
Speaker 1: might have been at the Terra as well. But uh,
Speaker 1: I loved it so much that first time that I
Speaker 1: found a way to go and watch it again. I
Speaker 1: don't ever do that, like I was raised almost not
Speaker 1: to do that. My dad. My dad's a pilot. He's
Speaker 1: very efficient. He's like, you're seeing it once, why would
Speaker 1: you ever want to see it again? You know? And
Speaker 1: and uh and I uh, but I just responded to it.
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I wanted to be those guys.
Speaker 1: So it was I think it was more than just um,
Speaker 1: more than just watching a movie and being touched by it.
Speaker 1: But you you just resonated with you those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. I think especially like dudes around our age
Speaker 1: growing up in sort of suburban areas, Uh, this was
Speaker 1: those dudes. And and watching it again this morning, and
Speaker 1: I've seen it at least a dozen times or more, um,
Speaker 1: but watching it this morning, I was kind of struck by,
Speaker 1: like Rushmore, a sort of kids acting like adults, all
Speaker 1: those kids sort of doing these adult things. And I
Speaker 1: realized watching Bottle Rock at the day is they were
Speaker 1: adults acting like kids acting like adults. Had that same thing.
Speaker 1: I had that same same thought, And I think that's
Speaker 1: you see that in a lot of Wes Anderson's stuff,
Speaker 1: precocious kids acting like adults and adults acting like children.
Speaker 1: And uh, well Bill Murray, for sure, I mean that's
Speaker 1: they were best friends in that movie. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a whole scene in that where that's underlined where he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know the Anthony Luke Wilson characters saying, uh is
Speaker 1: talking about his younger sister saying like how did Grace
Speaker 1: get so cynical? You know? And and and dignant. The
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson character is like, what has she ever done
Speaker 1: with her life? Man? One of my favorite lines in
Speaker 1: the movie, you know, and she and she said, and
Speaker 1: I think Grace earlier told uh Anthony like he said
Speaker 1: he was exhausted, exhausted or I was in that place
Speaker 1: for exhaustion. And she's like, uh you It's like like
Speaker 1: what have you done to be tired? Right? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there were definitely peers. You know, he was
Speaker 1: a peer of his little sister. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: exactly why you know, they put such a younger sister
Speaker 1: in the movie. Was just sort of sort of level
Speaker 1: set everyone. You get the idea too, that these that
Speaker 1: Dignan and uh and Anthony and I guess Bob too,
Speaker 1: were they had been doing this stuff since they were
Speaker 1: ten years old, probably playing crime and playing like they
Speaker 1: were thieve master thieves. That's interesting. And uh, then they
Speaker 1: are still sort of playing crime when they're doing the crimes. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they Well there's all sorts of stuff. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: you know, they're playing they're playing pinball, or you know,
Speaker 1: you look at their notebook. I mean, that's a classic
Speaker 1: thing where I actually, when I watched it this weekend,
Speaker 1: i've i've I had never done this, but I freast
Speaker 1: framed the notebook this morning. It was so great. Some
Speaker 1: of this stuff in there I had not even taken, ah,
Speaker 1: taken into consideration. I wrote some of those down. Did
Speaker 1: you write them down? I wrote some of them down. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this is uh for those of you listening. This
Speaker 1: is at the beginning of the movie when uh, and
Speaker 1: it's a very became sort of a Wes Anderson thing,
Speaker 1: the lists that he would make in his movies. The
Speaker 1: characters were make uh but it's the five year plan,
Speaker 1: the tenuere Plan, then twenty five years, fifty years out uh,
Speaker 1: and some of them, some of my favorite bits from
Speaker 1: that were twenty five years when possible meet people from
Speaker 1: foreign countries, find ways to develop properties. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, of course. And then he resents it when uh,
Speaker 1: when he hooks up with in az you know, and
Speaker 1: they mentioned that they mentioned that later, like learn learn
Speaker 1: a foreign language. I didn't, and I feel like he
Speaker 1: paid a price. Uh. And the other one that killed
Speaker 1: me from the list was on the final page, living
Speaker 1: into the twenty first century, under consider alternatives, he has
Speaker 1: college higher degrees and then honorary degrees. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's something anyone can plan for, is an honorary degree.
Speaker 1: The one I really responded to is now you know
Speaker 1: now that I have wife and kids, like you know
Speaker 1: how much that is a part of your life. But
Speaker 1: it's almost an afterthought on the list. It just says
Speaker 1: wife and family, very crude, and then it just blazes
Speaker 1: through talking about all the degrees they're gonna earn uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Yeah, And they quote Huey Long like
Speaker 1: life is about opportunities to make or something. But I
Speaker 1: also just you think about that as as a kid,
Speaker 1: or you're starting in a creative field, or you just
Speaker 1: don't know how to do it. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: you responded to this when you were out in l
Speaker 1: A and working in an art department and going how
Speaker 1: do I get to be the guy that sells the script?
Speaker 1: And you know, and sometimes you spend your time dicking off,
Speaker 1: you know, writing a notebook of what the plan is
Speaker 1: rather than actually focusing on the plan. Yeah, I've definitely
Speaker 1: had lists in my life that the number one item
Speaker 1: was make list, yeah, just so I could cross it
Speaker 1: off right right. But I love how the tone in
Speaker 1: this movie was immediately set with that first, um first sequence,
Speaker 1: when you know, Dignan can't just go pick up Anthony
Speaker 1: from the the I guess it's some sort of mental hospital. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has to pretend like he's busting him out right,
Speaker 1: and Anthony knows, like he knows he has this friend
Speaker 1: the sort of special needs. And then I have to
Speaker 1: play along with this guy yeah to the doctor, you know,
Speaker 1: and he lets him do so. I think I wonder
Speaker 1: if that was added after the fact. Did you ever
Speaker 1: see that black and white version of And I know
Speaker 1: that they rewrote the beginning of the movie, so I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how it may have just started with the
Speaker 1: walk and talk before they break into Anthony's house. It's
Speaker 1: very interesting though, too. They add this little this is stupid,
Speaker 1: but it always sticks out. When Dignon pops out of
Speaker 1: the bush, they add this, yeah, like this cartoonish yeah,
Speaker 1: which doesn't seems is consistent with the rest of the
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson you know. At that was a little strange too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was, but it's great. It's great. Um uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought. I think some of the things that set
Speaker 1: the tone to are just um, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at that, you look at that thirteen minute version, and
Speaker 1: there were some scenes that are almost intact, that whole
Speaker 1: scene with the gun. But you know, they just didn't
Speaker 1: quite figure it out there a few years younger, you know,
Speaker 1: the both the characters, they weren't it's not that they
Speaker 1: were darker, but they didn't have sort of that they
Speaker 1: were less vulnerable in the black and white thing. They
Speaker 1: didn't have as much of the sweetness and the silliness.
Speaker 1: And in the ensuing years they must have figured it
Speaker 1: out because Owen Wilson's just pitched perfect in that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dignan is not just one of the great characters. It's
Speaker 1: a great name for a character. I don't even know
Speaker 1: where they got that. It's a friend. Actually, here I
Speaker 1: have some trivia stuff in here. Go ahead and lay
Speaker 1: into that one. That was um, the DJ at the
Speaker 1: end of Rushmore, at the the post play dance was
Speaker 1: as Stephen Dignon, who was one of Wes Anderson's real friends.
Speaker 1: And that's where he got the name. Is that the
Speaker 1: guy with like the long braids? Yeah? All right, Yeah, totally. Uh,
Speaker 1: And of course Uh Kumar makes his first appearance and
Speaker 1: Bottle Rocket and his son in real life is the
Speaker 1: bookstore guy and also the math teacher from Rushmore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, that's great, that's great. I lost the touch man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: lost the touch because you never had it in the
Speaker 1: first place. But there's so many little moments that um,
Speaker 1: like the Wes Anderson stuff is all there. People think
Speaker 1: like and some people will even say like, oh, Rushmore
Speaker 1: is really his first movie, but that's not true at all.
Speaker 1: Like if you watch Bottle Rocket, all the hallmarks are there,
Speaker 1: just on a sort of a little more indie field level. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. There's not as many like sort of centered
Speaker 1: placed close up. I mean there's a little and you
Speaker 1: even see you go back with the black and white thing.
Speaker 1: It's even looser. You know, he's I guess he's still
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. There's a film school type
Speaker 1: of thing, you know. Is a great um. Uh is
Speaker 1: my my co creator on your preface is Going to Hell.
Speaker 1: Chris Kelly. Uh told me this story where James L. Brooks,
Speaker 1: who made Bottle Rocket, happened basically and found the money
Speaker 1: and did it through Gracie Films. U had the Wes
Speaker 1: Anderson did this shot of a coffee cup and just
Speaker 1: centered it, you know, centered it like a classic sort
Speaker 1: of Wes Anderson thing. And apparently James Brooks saw the
Speaker 1: dailies and was like, they're better be poison in that cup,
Speaker 1: like like for for it to you know, like for
Speaker 1: you to do that. There was another one that there's
Speaker 1: a line in the movie, uh that Um he did
Speaker 1: this master shot where this I guess this cowboy is
Speaker 1: prominently counting change. My friend was just telling me about
Speaker 1: this this morning. But the master shot is like, uh,
Speaker 1: James Brooks sees it and it's like none of the
Speaker 1: stars are really prominently figured in this frame, and he's
Speaker 1: just he said, why did you do it? Man? And
Speaker 1: they used that in the show in the movie, Why
Speaker 1: did you do it? Man? But I mean he had confidence,
Speaker 1: you know, he like Polly Platte, They said, she would
Speaker 1: be like I want to see a cutaway of Digna's
Speaker 1: point of view of the car gone in the parking lot,
Speaker 1: or I want to you know, and that's the classic
Speaker 1: director trick. Well, they can't cut it in. They can't
Speaker 1: force you to cut it in. You don't shoot it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that whole shot of Kumar going up in the
Speaker 1: elevator and I'm sitting there going you can't get coverage.
Speaker 1: For a reason, he wanted this. He wanted to stay
Speaker 1: with Kumar in the elevator while uh Dignan is running
Speaker 1: up the stairs in the background. Yeah, yeah, which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great shot. Um. Yeah, I mean all the
Speaker 1: all the Harmark hallmarks are kind of there, but there, um,
Speaker 1: like you definitely got the sense that he didn't have
Speaker 1: the kind of dough to play with these the big
Speaker 1: grand sets and all the different insert shots of the
Speaker 1: close ups of the keys and the things. But there
Speaker 1: it's peppered throughout like it's it's sort of the you
Speaker 1: get a sense of like the filmmaker he would become
Speaker 1: with Rushmore. That stuff takes time, it takes money. I
Speaker 1: mean they did, uh you know the music. I mean
Speaker 1: it's Mark Mother's Bob but throughout, but there's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of uh, you know, license and that that
Speaker 1: stuff costs a lot of money. You know, Rushmore he
Speaker 1: had probably a little bit more to play with. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there were a couple of love tracks and
Speaker 1: I always responded to that, Um, that Rolling Stone song
Speaker 1: at the end, it's such a great music cue. It
Speaker 1: is it is. It's from an album that's not you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's very good as the Stones album
Speaker 1: and I'm a big Stones fan, but um, you probably
Speaker 1: got it on the cheap. I imagine it's a more
Speaker 1: obscure song for sure. Possibly and uh uh but I
Speaker 1: thought about it too and watching it and you know,
Speaker 1: it's Rushmore too. It's like, you know, he uses the
Speaker 1: music as it's just are emotional and intuitive and it
Speaker 1: has nothing that they're not so on the nose lyrically.
Speaker 1: I mean he had Oh Yoko in uh yeah, Rushmore.
Speaker 1: I mean it's very had nothing to do with anything
Speaker 1: on screen. Yeah, And for me as a Stones fan,
Speaker 1: it's shocking how little I knew about the Kinks. He
Speaker 1: like the whole Wes Anderson got me into just finding
Speaker 1: all those kinks out. Yeah, it's good stuff. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite little moments again very Wes Anderson, and it
Speaker 1: says a lot about what's going on is when they
Speaker 1: break when they break into Anthony's house at the beginning
Speaker 1: and they're rifling through everything, and at this point in
Speaker 1: the movie, you don't know that that's Anthony's house until
Speaker 1: afterward when Owen Wilson drops that he had stole the
Speaker 1: mom's earrings. But he leans down at the toy soldiers
Speaker 1: and there's one toy soldier that's askew that he turns
Speaker 1: and straightens. And then of course later on you you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: well that was that was his toy soldier collection when
Speaker 1: he was a kid, and one of him was off
Speaker 1: and he had to correct it. It was just a
Speaker 1: nice little character touch and just those little west Anderson
Speaker 1: moments that he puts in there. Uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: they just enriched the whole thing. You know. It was interesting.
Speaker 1: You watched that black and white one and it's like
Speaker 1: they shot in the same house they shot. Some of
Speaker 1: the shots are identical four years later. Yea identical, you know.
Speaker 1: And and then of course the conversation after like that
Speaker 1: was on the list of things that dig does not touch,
Speaker 1: and Dignon's reply, it's like, you know, everything, everything valuable
Speaker 1: in the house was on that list. Man. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think my my favorite, certainly, I think my favorite moment
Speaker 1: or is like and it just sort of spells it out,
Speaker 1: is you know when they're they they stole the car
Speaker 1: and then they're off off the side of the road
Speaker 1: that can't start the car, and Dignan finds out that
Speaker 1: Anthony gave in as the housekeeper. He's falling in love
Speaker 1: with all the money, and he does. He freaks out
Speaker 1: and he's like, you don't fall in love with the help.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, she's not the help. You know,
Speaker 1: her name's in Nez and uh he goes and I'm dignant. Man.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, I'm your friend, not this girl.
Speaker 1: And you know, but but just just the way he
Speaker 1: said it and the way the line is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's who he is. He can't get respect and he
Speaker 1: and he's and he he feels like he's getting betrayed.
Speaker 1: Is like who's running this operation. It's like he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be, but he's not. And his friend is almost
Speaker 1: along with him just because because he's his friend, and
Speaker 1: he'll do it even though it doesn't make him that comfortable. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the end is so great too, when um, what
Speaker 1: you were just talking about, like he Owen Wilson takes
Speaker 1: he has to take the fall for these guys at
Speaker 1: the end, when when the when the big breaking see
Speaker 1: let me have this. Yeah, he wants he wants to
Speaker 1: be because it validates him, like when he that shot
Speaker 1: when he's getting beat down by the cops. At the end,
Speaker 1: you see like he's almost satisfied with what's going on
Speaker 1: because he's finally like a real crook and he goes
Speaker 1: to prison man and like no one can argue with
Speaker 1: him from now on like he did the time he
Speaker 1: got pitched. He didn't write out his friends. Yep ye
Speaker 1: and uh so it like validated his whole like I
Speaker 1: guess you call a career, but his life choices up
Speaker 1: to that point. Yeah, yeah, and he sweet, well, yeah
Speaker 1: it was. And it was very interesting to me too.
Speaker 1: I think I wonder if if I responded to it
Speaker 1: also just on a personal level where it's just like
Speaker 1: I was in my mid twenties when that movie hit.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just starting to work at Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1: I was just starting to try to figure out what
Speaker 1: it is I was going to do with the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. You know, I was dating girls but
Speaker 1: hadn't really found the right one yet. You're you're just right,
Speaker 1: You're stuck in the middle there and um, and so
Speaker 1: much of the media and everything was sort of directing
Speaker 1: everyone towards this slacker vibe I think they called I
Speaker 1: looked at the cover of the DVD called it Reservoir Geeks,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, yeah. But also it just
Speaker 1: wasn't um it wasn't really a slacker movie. Like there's
Speaker 1: no sort of there's no sort of uh long windy,
Speaker 1: slightly humorous, uh pop culture breakdowns. It's like as soon
Speaker 1: as Tarantina did that Royal with cheese, It's like every
Speaker 1: movie had that obligatory thing. I think they had some
Speaker 1: little star Ski and Hutch little thing in the original
Speaker 1: that they didn't have an and I'm so glad they
Speaker 1: didn't have it. You know, it was I mean, they
Speaker 1: these guys wanted to do things. They had big dreams.
Speaker 1: You know, they weren't just sort of lazy living at home.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, there was always a plan. You didn't
Speaker 1: see any parents, and you know that. What's interesting is like,
Speaker 1: now that I've have worked in cartoons, a lot is
Speaker 1: on the kid's side of things. They sometimes talk about
Speaker 1: how the at least one development executive has told me,
Speaker 1: you know, the parents aren't important, Like kids want to
Speaker 1: feel uh like they have a hero, someone that they
Speaker 1: can uh, someone that's self sufficient. That's the parents are
Speaker 1: not um and you'll find that with some kids cartoons
Speaker 1: and and yeah, the parents aren't in the picture. Even
Speaker 1: though he rips off the the ear rings, you don't
Speaker 1: know really anything about where he came from or well,
Speaker 1: most famously Charlie Brown. Of course, you know, they purposely
Speaker 1: obfuscated the parents. And it's probably no secret or no
Speaker 1: coincidence that Wes Anderson uses a lot of the Charlie
Speaker 1: Brown music in his movies. Yeah, yeah, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting too. You know, you're talking about
Speaker 1: kids wanted to be adults and adults wanted to be kids.
Speaker 1: And I mean those guys probably are that they probably were,
Speaker 1: that they were all living together and Hollywood, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a I mean Jim Brooks said theorized that
Speaker 1: they were stretching out the rewrite process so they could
Speaker 1: live on their per diem right, that Owen Wilson was
Speaker 1: living out of that office. And then you think about
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson, you know, as a teenager with a note book,
Speaker 1: a spiral bound notebook full of Pauline Cale articles, and
Speaker 1: it's just like, is any Mac. I mean that's Max Fisher,
Speaker 1: isn't it right. Yeah, it's just just they just tapped
Speaker 1: into a voice that I just really responded to. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same here and um, we got to talk about James
Speaker 1: conn for a second. He's he's introduced as Mr Henry,
Speaker 1: and after a lot of talk and build up in
Speaker 1: the third act, he doesn't appear until the third act.
Speaker 1: And that third act is so great once it's almost
Speaker 1: like two movies. You know, there's the whole first bit
Speaker 1: and then the last act is the Mr Henry's introduced
Speaker 1: in the planning of the like he's the big crime
Speaker 1: boss who was really the head of a bond mowing. Uh,
Speaker 1: but you do get the sense that he's a legit guy.
Speaker 1: Like one of the great moments of the movie is
Speaker 1: when he stands down future man Andrew Wilson in the
Speaker 1: country club. John maple Thorpe ye so good. Yeah, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a little victorious moment for that group of misfits,
Speaker 1: those weirdos when James Cohn, you know, twists his arm
Speaker 1: up and then they finally have their moment to sort
Speaker 1: of laugh at the bully together. Well, Bob mapel Thorpe,
Speaker 1: like he's talking to the waiter. Uh I think his
Speaker 1: name is Jackson, right, And yeah, you can see that.
Speaker 1: You can see in their conversation that Bob's been going
Speaker 1: to that country club for twenty years getting grilled cheese
Speaker 1: with a trust cut off. And then as soon as
Speaker 1: Jackson sees Future Man walking up, he's like, I'll see you, Bob. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'ships out of there, and then you know, uh a
Speaker 1: John and uh future band. Yeah, yeah, he stands up,
Speaker 1: he stands up for for him. But I love that
Speaker 1: Future Man character. They don't say why his name's Future Man.
Speaker 1: It's but it's like you think about it, like going
Speaker 1: to going to college in the South and you saw
Speaker 1: these you saw there are plenty of Future Man's with
Speaker 1: their mirror d A shades and their duckhead slacks and
Speaker 1: what the funk is this? Like pulling leaf, you know,
Speaker 1: or like you look like a little banana. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite scenes when first of all,
Speaker 1: the Honda Trail seventy or whatever, when that pulls up
Speaker 1: on the scene. I don't know if you remember that
Speaker 1: mini bike or had a friend that had one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just such an iconic like seventies eighties mini bike
Speaker 1: and Owen Wilson pulls up in that jumpsuit and then
Speaker 1: the two guys making fun of him. Uh, Future Man
Speaker 1: in his little crony, it looked like a little banana.
Speaker 1: And again it's like it's they were in their twenties,
Speaker 1: but they might as well have been twelve years old
Speaker 1: in Future Man seventeen and Uh. One of the great
Speaker 1: lines is after he pulls in and Owen Wilson has
Speaker 1: clearly wounded and he goes, I'm not as always confident
Speaker 1: as I look to Anthony wearing that yellow jumpsuit. He's
Speaker 1: just hysterical, you know. Yeah, Anthony's like, I'll you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta get me one of those jumpsuits. It's like
Speaker 1: he doesn't care, but he knows it, he knows Digna
Speaker 1: loves it. Uh, he's such a good friend to him. Well,
Speaker 1: the other thing I liked was um, well with a
Speaker 1: great love story with Nez was just really sweet and touching.
Speaker 1: But um, that actress, she's you know, apparently big in
Speaker 1: uh in like Mexican cinema and stuff, but I haven't
Speaker 1: seen her and a lot of stuff at all. Aside
Speaker 1: from this, so Enez sort of exists in this movie
Speaker 1: to me as a real person. Yeah, way, because they
Speaker 1: didn't cast I don't know who would have been, you know, right,
Speaker 1: the Latino actress from back then, but you know she
Speaker 1: was unknown and she was just had such a sweet face.
Speaker 1: And their relationship it's all, it's all that childlike stuff
Speaker 1: in the Wes Anderson movies. I mean, they hinted that
Speaker 1: they you know, made love, you know, when they ran
Speaker 1: into the hotel room. But I think as far as
Speaker 1: it got was like he unbuttoned the top of her
Speaker 1: shirt and then they threw the sheets over the y
Speaker 1: is very innocent, like it wouldn't have been like if
Speaker 1: you what have Anthony pulled up a sleeve and you
Speaker 1: just seem like some killing this, some attempt at his
Speaker 1: life or something other like, oh, it had taken on
Speaker 1: a completely different flavor. It's just exhaustion, you know. Uh.
Speaker 1: And of course at the end they pull off the heist,
Speaker 1: but they were duped the whole time by Mr Henry who, um,
Speaker 1: who was ripping off Bob's house. And even at the
Speaker 1: very end when um, they go to visit Dignant in
Speaker 1: prison and Dignan learns that that was all sort of
Speaker 1: a ruse. He's still a little bit naive, like, do
Speaker 1: you think do you think apple Jack was in on this?
Speaker 1: Do you think this is part of Like, of course,
Speaker 1: it was the whole plan, the whole time. And he
Speaker 1: very sweetly when he gives him the belt buckles, say,
Speaker 1: you know, I made some for Applejack and the guys,
Speaker 1: but forget that. But he's like, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and give it, give him those belt buckles.
Speaker 1: This is really sweet. Yeah, yeah, all right. So we
Speaker 1: like to finish up with two short segments, one called
Speaker 1: what Ebert said, this movie is complete disappointing. He only
Speaker 1: gave this one two stars, yeah, which was sort of disappointing.
Speaker 1: He said, Bottle Rocket is entertaining if you understand exactly
Speaker 1: what it is, if you see it as a film
Speaker 1: made by friends out of the materials presented by their lives,
Speaker 1: with the freedom not push too hard. It's a kind
Speaker 1: of film in fact, that a festival like Sundance is
Speaker 1: ideal for an audience that knows about the realities of
Speaker 1: low budget independent filmmaking. Will probably find a lot of
Speaker 1: qualities here that might elude wider audiences. I can't recommend
Speaker 1: the film it's too unwound and indulgent, but I have
Speaker 1: a certain affection for it, and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: whatever Anderson and the Wilson's do next. You know, it
Speaker 1: was it was indulgent, but I would I would gladly
Speaker 1: indulge it. You know. It's like we're about the same age,
Speaker 1: and I think we've both had sort of the same aspirations.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up wanting to make movies, and
Speaker 1: you sort of in your in the early nineties or
Speaker 1: late eighties, you've become aware of all these people making
Speaker 1: movies on a budget. You hear the story about Al
Speaker 1: Mariachi and the making of that, or you see like
Speaker 1: a Brother's McMullen where the parents you know, did the
Speaker 1: craft service and shot at his house. Uh. But you know, ultimately,
Speaker 1: ultimately I didn't like, really respond to either one of
Speaker 1: those movies. And you know, and and um it was
Speaker 1: an old David Spade joke where he said, you know,
Speaker 1: am I supposed to care that this movie costs five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to make? Are you going to charge me
Speaker 1: twenty cents to see it? Like it's really good for
Speaker 1: for five thousand dollars? Like I felt like this was
Speaker 1: a was a movie, like it worked and granted, I
Speaker 1: mean they had a budget, but you just they just
Speaker 1: had a voice. The dialogue had a rhythm, you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was a real I don't know, it
Speaker 1: was a there's nothing else that just connected to me
Speaker 1: quite like that at the time. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the it's the launching of a great career. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I don't feel like, oh well, I'll give
Speaker 1: Bottle Rock at a pass because it was just the okay,
Speaker 1: first movie, Like it was a great movie, and I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do like like I couldn't do a generational
Speaker 1: think piece. I don't know if it's something that maybe
Speaker 1: we speak to someone like you or me that it
Speaker 1: wouldn't make necessarily initially speak to someone like you know,
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert. Right, well, yeah, yeah, I think that probably
Speaker 1: has something to do with it. Uh. And then we
Speaker 1: finished Dave with five questions. Okay, what's the first movie
Speaker 1: you remember seeing in the theater? Um? I think I
Speaker 1: saw it. Well, I think I saw Jaws at the
Speaker 1: drive in with my parents. Um. And I remember being
Speaker 1: told to crawl into the back seat sedan whenever like
Speaker 1: the water was getting particularly chummed with blood. Uh, but
Speaker 1: I do. I vividly remember um seeing Star Wars with
Speaker 1: my parents, and I think it was I remembered seeing
Speaker 1: the ads and thinking that was interesting. You'd see like this,
Speaker 1: the big yellow Star Wars letter and then you'd see
Speaker 1: an explosion and uh. But we went at the behest
Speaker 1: of my parents, so it must have been something that
Speaker 1: was already happening, because I remember standing on a massive line, uh,
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of what I want to say
Speaker 1: was maybe a theater in Toco Hills. I don't know. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there used to be that one theater there. We were
Speaker 1: gonna eat dinner, Italian dinner, and my dad ended up
Speaker 1: bringing lasagna out to the line in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: And after I saw that movie, the thing I couldn't
Speaker 1: stop drawing was a little one eyed snake in the
Speaker 1: in the trash compactors scene. That scene was the one
Speaker 1: that I kept trying to draw on my notebook. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, great, Yeah, that's the one I remember seeing
Speaker 1: Star Wars for the first time too, so good. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: first R rated movie that you saw, that's a tough one. Um.
Speaker 1: I had a friend who's his parents were divorced, so
Speaker 1: he was getting turned onto all this rated our stuff
Speaker 1: early too early, Like he'd come in and he's like,
Speaker 1: he would give me the blow by blow of caddy
Speaker 1: shack like and then there was a candy bar in
Speaker 1: the water and they called it duty. And then this
Speaker 1: girl took her shirt off, you know, and I was
Speaker 1: like and you. I was like, and you got to
Speaker 1: see this with your dad? Like no, he left, but
Speaker 1: but he walked us in. But uh, I remembered seeing
Speaker 1: as probably rated r The ratings are all over the map,
Speaker 1: but depending on you know, the year, the decade or whatever.
Speaker 1: But there was a movie called French Postcards, which was
Speaker 1: about a uh, college age guy just basically going to
Speaker 1: Europe to get laid. And I just remember being told
Speaker 1: there was a sex scene with this busty French last
Speaker 1: and I I am watching French Postcards in the basement.
Speaker 1: My sister is there's a couple of the kids in
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and then the scene happens and we turn
Speaker 1: around and my mom is there. Oh my god. She
Speaker 1: shuts it off and gives us a speech and she'll
Speaker 1: never hear this, but she was like, the first time
Speaker 1: I heard the word fuck. I was twenty seven years
Speaker 1: old or something something like that, and we had obviously
Speaker 1: never heard her say that. So I blood just runs cold,
Speaker 1: you know, oh my god, you know. Uh but yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had to be French posts. Yeah, and no I
Speaker 1: didn't get to finish it, you know, so you should
Speaker 1: one day. Yeah, I'd be worth it. We worth worth it.
Speaker 1: Defined that like you know, you get little snippets of
Speaker 1: American Werewolf in London. You see the guy's hands grow
Speaker 1: and you I don't want to see more of that.
Speaker 1: I can't I see that. Yeah, that was I remember.
Speaker 1: There was just a whole run of those, um just
Speaker 1: sort of teenage sex movies at the time, like Porky's
Speaker 1: obviously is the big one American Virgin or Last American Virgin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah that was one where, um I found
Speaker 1: my way to seeing that. And I I remember there was
Speaker 1: the one with Joan Collins. It seemed like it always
Speaker 1: involved a teenage guy and some you know, sexy older lady. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was one of Joan Collins. I can't remember the
Speaker 1: name of that one. Private Lessons was one there you go,
Speaker 1: there is there is one a little bit later. It
Speaker 1: was with the guy from Grey's Anatomy, Pizza Boy or
Speaker 1: paper Boy or something. I just saw that on cable
Speaker 1: and watched like ten minutes of I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe how poorly made this is, Like like everyone
Speaker 1: must have been on coke in the eighties and like
Speaker 1: no one, Like there's not one good or funny moment
Speaker 1: in it. Victate back, isn't it. It's it's terrible. It is,
Speaker 1: but not terrible in a watchable way. But I gave
Speaker 1: it ten minutes. It's pretty funny, alright. Uh number three,
Speaker 1: will you walk out of a bad movie? And do
Speaker 1: you remember doing that? Yes? Twice? Um uh. Once was
Speaker 1: American Pie because I was told that that was funny
Speaker 1: and I call back to those type of movies. And
Speaker 1: I thought that was terrible. And I felt like I
Speaker 1: must be a Martian because everyone is loving this and
Speaker 1: I hate it. And uh, I'm trying to think about
Speaker 1: his dating. It might have been a little too old
Speaker 1: for that one, remember it was. But it was terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean it was, it's bad. It was bad. There
Speaker 1: was nothing that I walked out and went, I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna walk out, but I walked to Two Eyes Wide Hut,
Speaker 1: which is playing and then I was like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: you know which is the I think science has proven
Speaker 1: it's the opposite of American pie. It's exactly. But the
Speaker 1: other one, the one I love is Uh. I went.
Speaker 1: I liked Pitch Black, and so I went to see
Speaker 1: the sequel, the first sequel, the Chronicles of Riddick, which
Speaker 1: is Vin Diesel just running around in the ice being
Speaker 1: chased by like some I don't know, some squid creature,
Speaker 1: some ship, and uh, you know. Vin Diesel is like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, like and uh, what's her what's her name?
Speaker 1: Who is Sandy Newton's in it? She plays like some
Speaker 1: Martian princess or something, and uh, she says, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what she says, riddeck oh Riddick is uh, it
Speaker 1: will come for us. I don't remember. But someone who says,
Speaker 1: hold your tongue, hold your tongue, Dame Wonga. And as
Speaker 1: soon as that line was delivered, I remember looking at
Speaker 1: I believe Lisa, my wife was with me at the time,
Speaker 1: I believe, looking at her, going do you like this?
Speaker 1: Are you liking this? And uh She's like no, no,
Speaker 1: we should leave. So we get up to leave, and uh,
Speaker 1: I remember this guy on the aisle like I was like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, excuse me, and he gave me a look
Speaker 1: like are you out of your mind? Riddick is trapped
Speaker 1: in the ice and you're walking out. Can you hold it?
Speaker 1: You can't hold like I have my coat? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I will ended up watching whatever that step for Wives
Speaker 1: remake was standing in the aisle with my coat at
Speaker 1: the exit for an hour and a half watching that
Speaker 1: with the least interest possible. I think that's generally the
Speaker 1: accepted practices. If you walk out of a bad movie,
Speaker 1: then god damn it, somebody owes you. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: go to another movie right away? Uh, do you have
Speaker 1: any guilty pleasure movies that you can name? A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't. I'm not above. I'm not above watching
Speaker 1: something uh terrible over something mediocre. Um. Certainly, it's so
Speaker 1: rare for me to even watch him, like to lock down,
Speaker 1: like a nice hour, like two hours of time to
Speaker 1: watch something, just because we've got kids in life and
Speaker 1: it's just hard to I mean, I've got this copy
Speaker 1: of I think it's called ye Uh. It's a very
Speaker 1: acclaimed movie, but I've had it from Netflix for literally
Speaker 1: six months. I mean, I could have bought a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of yees for what. Um So, I will occasionally
Speaker 1: and I am always on the quest for adope simple comedy,
Speaker 1: but there just aren't that many out there. Most comedies
Speaker 1: are just not that funny, right or there? Two hours
Speaker 1: and twenty minutes long. Yeah, I never feel guilty about
Speaker 1: anything I watch. I don't even watch enough to to
Speaker 1: ever feel guilty about it. But um, I would love
Speaker 1: to find an hour and a half long, just light,
Speaker 1: breezy appartif of a movie and have it not be
Speaker 1: have them not make a meal out of it. No
Speaker 1: movie needs to be two and a half hours most
Speaker 1: certainly not a comedy. And uh and they're just they're
Speaker 1: hard to find, you know. I think that's maybe why
Speaker 1: super Bad resonate with a lot of people. Just is
Speaker 1: just like a fun movie. I saw a little bit
Speaker 1: of fun, fun breezy. You know you need those every
Speaker 1: kid goes through this sexual awakening. Hey, a sex comedy
Speaker 1: is not bad if it's clever, you know. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I got nothing there, but I'll tell
Speaker 1: you I will. I am always on the quest for it.
Speaker 1: I just can't. Um, you can't lock in for three
Speaker 1: hour you know whatever, you know what, I'm gonna recommend
Speaker 1: something to you then real quick. It's called The Lovers. No,
Speaker 1: it is not a comedy like a you know, laugh
Speaker 1: every second comedy. It's a small little indie but it's
Speaker 1: like ninety four minutes long, and it's got Deborah Winger
Speaker 1: sort of the return of deba Winger and Tracy Lett
Speaker 1: playing a couple who are married and both cheating on
Speaker 1: each other with different people. Interesting, and their son comes
Speaker 1: home for a weekend. It feels very much like a
Speaker 1: stage play. I was convinced it was, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But watch The Lovers. I think you'll think I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Very kind of fun, light, sweet movie, all right. And finally,
Speaker 1: Dave willis movie going one on one? What is your
Speaker 1: when you would get out to the movies? I don't
Speaker 1: you probably don't as much anymore, But what was your
Speaker 1: sort of routine? Did you sit in the same place,
Speaker 1: do you get the same snacks? Do you find that
Speaker 1: most people generally kind of I'm not don't willy nilly
Speaker 1: go to the movies. I'm not really I When we
Speaker 1: do go to the movies, I do try to get
Speaker 1: there for the trailers, like I'm not to like for
Speaker 1: as as late as I've been to so many meetings
Speaker 1: and important things in my life, it's a little absurd
Speaker 1: that I would insist on seeing the ads beforehand, even
Speaker 1: when they're available on the internet. Uh, there's no there's
Speaker 1: certainly no uh ritual. My wife likes those padded v
Speaker 1: i P seats, but they only have those for like
Speaker 1: the mega movies. But what happened to Jordan Almonds? They're gone.
Speaker 1: I can't find them anywhere, and that is my go to. Um,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'll get loose. I have a couple of beers.
Speaker 1: That's a nice development, I think. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's a couple of I P A s. Love it.
Speaker 1: Love that development, um, you know, because I mean one
Speaker 1: time I remember just sneaking a whole six pack into
Speaker 1: that MST three k Uh movie And it's a great movie,
Speaker 1: but you had to cough every time made a better Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember dropping a bottle or two in my day too,
Speaker 1: which is easily like the loudest thing that can happen
Speaker 1: right rolls down the aisle. Yeah. No, I don't have
Speaker 1: anything sort of I'm not too it's realistic about it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't I just obviously I don't
Speaker 1: want to sit on the front row. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like we went the last movie I went to see
Speaker 1: was It, And we had to leave because our kids
Speaker 1: were fighting at fighting at home. We had to leave
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. Oh, because you can leave
Speaker 1: him home now, Well we that we no, we can't
Speaker 1: chuck it proves it got you, like, we're gonna give
Speaker 1: it another year. I'm gonna try. It was an experiment failed.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Yeah, all right, thanks a lot, Dave. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Well that was just wonderful. Uh.
Speaker 1: Dave is such a good guy, and he's so funny
Speaker 1: and insightful. And I love that we had this shared
Speaker 1: love of Bottle Rocket. Um, it's always cool when the
Speaker 1: movie that someone picks, and so far that's kind of
Speaker 1: been the case is a movie that I also love.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting for one that I hate because I
Speaker 1: want to see how that goes. But it was very
Speaker 1: nice of Dave to come on over from uh his
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network studio just about oh about ten minutes away,
Speaker 1: and we we had a great conversation that was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. You can support Dave of course, by
Speaker 1: watching Your Pretty Faces Going to Hell or squid Billies,
Speaker 1: which is still on the air and and running strong.
Speaker 1: I think I might even have a small voice part
Speaker 1: coming up the season on squid Billies. We'll see, but
Speaker 1: I did read for it, although not very well. Uh,
Speaker 1: but we we shall see about that. But thanks today
Speaker 1: for coming in, and thanks you for listening in and
Speaker 1: until next time, for God's sakes, put your shoes on.
Speaker 1: You do not take your shoes off in a movie theater.
Speaker 1: Movie Crushes produced, edited, engineered, and scored by Noel Brown
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