WEBVTT - Untapped Potential 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.760 Hey, it's Lucas Adams from New York Review Comics here 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:18.120 with a warning, warning, warning warning. Despite Mangesh's grandmother's greatest wish, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.079 he is one hundred percent not a doctor and nothing 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:26.040 in this episode should count as medical advice. Absolutely nothing. Also, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.240 Mangesh finish the show already so we can go get 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.760 roasted sweet potatoes at h Mart. They get all caramelized. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:40.720 Enjoy sodic. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:58.920 Sud so my god, t other throesome to awesome, toroesome, torossome. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:15.040 Episode six untapped potential aush. 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.399 So we have started on this end, so we are 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:24.200 currently around six feet BELOWSI eleven. The aim of today's 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.800 session is take through to at least thirty three. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.160 Feet below level. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.960 It's late February two thirty in the afternoon. I'm in Goa, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.080 sitting behind a locked hatch, looking through a porthole window, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.880 and I'm six feet below an imaginary see. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.160 Just a rim of trivial. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.600 A hyperbetic session is actually. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:45.000 Known as a dive. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.640 There's a beach a half mile away, coconut water, and 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.760 a book I could be reading, but I met Reverse Infinity, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.080 a self described biohacking lib and advanced wellness clinic in India, 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.400 finally trying hyperbaric oxygen in therapy. My body is being 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.040 flooded with oxygen, and for the first time, I don't 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.200 feel like a longevity tourist from the inside of this 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:15.720 makeshift submarine. I feel like a longevity On the other hand, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:21.560 A fun fact about me, I'm mildly claustrophobic. So ever 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.080 since the door closed and I started this dive, my 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.239 heart's been racing. I breathe and slowly. I swallow hard 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.120 to unclock my ears, and I wonder if signing up 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.640 for a ninety minute session was really a good idea. 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:38.679 How don't you ask me before why pushing for one? 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:43.760 Bob feeling actually begins at one bottle fresh to get 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:44.320 the up like. 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:51.799 We all best trying to take to the idea. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.360 As I sit in the chamber, diving deeper and deeper, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.400 I think about what's happening inside my body, how my 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.160 lungs are taking in much more oxygen than normal, how 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.920 that extra oxygen is dissolving into my plasma, reaching tissues 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.960 that are injured or inflamed. I wonder if the session 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.160 will help my tennis elbow or stiff neck, or if 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.400 it will leave me feeling sharper. That's what so many 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:23.680 longevity enthusiasts say it does. I daydream about the possibilities, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.840 and my eyelids grow heavy, and I smile. I think 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.560 how happy I am to be here. How I almost 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.280 didn't make this trip. How I thought about canceling or 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.800 pushing it off one more time, not because I'm afraid 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.280 of death, but because I wasn't sure if I could 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:42.840 stomach thinking about it again. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.040 We'll get I'm just telling you again, I thought you 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.880 were kind of got to that. You're right now breathing 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.840 mary thirty to forty liters per minute or oxygen. I 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.240 don't ada wonder story anymore. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.840 Sent back, relax, and I have a great. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:13.520 Session from Validoscope. And iHeart podcasts. I am Monga's particularly 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:53.040 This is how to Live Forever, Chapter one, free console. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.200 So it goes from lt N, which is low to 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:04.599 your normy right HDN, and then after that there's Chad 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:05.600 true Chad. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:08.159 Over the past few months, I've talked to investors and 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:13.159 longevenots and frontier scientists with incredible and outrageous ideas about 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.880 how to live forever. But perhaps my most disturbing interview 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.240 is happening right now with my son, Henry. I've just 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.039 learned that Henry and all the other fifteen year old 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:28.160 boys in his grade are low key obsessed with looks, maxing. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.159 The maiden guy that kind of leads this is clovicular. 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:38.360 They analyze a lot of very like minute details about people, right, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.760 like bone structure. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:41.279 Right. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.080 Henry and his pals have been watching clav as. They 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:48.960 call him this manisphere beauty streamer slash influencer who's taken 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.919 the Internet by storm. They drop code words with the 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:56.680 surprising fluency. They declare themselves super chads, and they fall 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:01.760 over themselves laughing, ranking each other's jawline. So I'm sitting 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.520 on my bed trying to figure out how seriously to 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:05.160 take Henry. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.240 So tell me about myself. 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:13.400 I'm obviously in my mid to late forties, and where 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.279 on a scale, like how would you analyze my face? 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:23.080 I think I'd give you EMPTN HTN, Right, what's MTN 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.320 is mid tier normy? Right, You're better than the load 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:27.160 to your normies. 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.320 On the one hand, talking to my kid like this 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.760 is a delight. I'm laughing because he's ridiculous and funny, 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.480 and I like getting a peek into his world. And 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.120 on the other I'm struggling with this very modern parenting 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.720 experience where you listen to your kids spout things they 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:47.760 heard on the internet, and you can never quite tell 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:52.719 what they believe and when they're being mischievous. So just 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.720 when I want to start explaining to him the repulsive 0:06:55.880 --> 0:07:00.000 origins of looksmaxing, this word that's now used everywhere from 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.760 TikTok to the New York Times, he seems to be 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:03.320 ahead of me. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.640 There's a good amount of anti Semitism in the looks 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.560 Max and community. A little bit of it kind of 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.760 derives from when Hitler used to give rin examples of 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:21.559 people and how they looked better. Right, So you seem 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.280 to have a longer nose, so they probably would give 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:25.920 you a little less credit. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.680 So he gets it, the cruel mix that creates these 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.360 standards of what health their beauty looks like. But I 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.120 keep getting blindsided here. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:40.800 You seem to have a square face, or as Clave described, 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:47.320 someone with a wider face shape like Donald Trump. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:48.320 Donald Trump, No. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.720 I don't, It's just he said that in his example, 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.040 people with a wider face shape tend to be smarter 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.640 or more intellectual. 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.520 It's notable that Clave's face analysis includes Trump as a 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.680 paragon of intelligence. Henry, on the other hand, is joking 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.360 around at least, I hope. But then he's got some 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:10.000 tips for me. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:14.960 Okay, I see that you have creases. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.480 I think you should try doing some facial exercises to 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:24.360 make it go away. I suggest wearing glasses more to 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.440 make your face look more symmetrical. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.760 I don't know what he's talking about. I do wear 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.880 glasses all the time. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.040 And i'd say probably start bone smashing. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.200 Clavicular has gotten endless press for telling his followers to 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.920 use a hammer to bang their jaws and brows to 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.559 reshape their facial lines and make themselves more attractive. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:47.640 That doesn't work. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.560 Make it look more defined, they say it works. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:51.480 I don't know. 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.120 Class also told his followers that using meth is a 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.280 good way to suppress your appetite and to stay lean. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.960 Henry also thought he's people to try crack, but it 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.439 turns out that clav tried it but thinks that quote 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:06.679 kind of sucks. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.760 They suggest doing crack to make you less hungry and 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:16.560 lower your fat percentage because it feeds off of you. 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.600 And apparently Clovicular has also done meth, as he stated 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.160 on a podcast. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.360 That's generally arrested me for not looking great. 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.880 Yeah, but yeah and destroying your life. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.320 Yeah. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:36.560 And then he gives me a knowing smile, the kind 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:40.080 I know so well, the kind where it's so wide 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.240 he can't stop from grinning because he knows what he's 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:48.400 saying is ridiculous. And in this moment, I feel grateful. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.120 For a long time, I didn't want kids because I 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.640 was worried about what I'd passed down, my quirks, my anxieties, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.600 the imperfections of my own body that had a high 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.520 likely of showing up in his. I wasn't sure it 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:06.199 was fair to saddle someone with that, But I'm comforted 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.200 by some of the things he did Inherit the same 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.080 streak I have and that my dad had, where ninety 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.000 nine people in a room might be giving you the 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.320 same advice, but you can't be convinced because you only 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:24.320 trust your gut. So I know my sweet and weird 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.839 and funny kid won't be bone smashing. So people are 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:32.000 taking crack and doing cren Yes, yes, well I've made 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.439 prefer math, but looks back to boards chatter about crack too. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.000 If you want to do crack. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.240 I don't know. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.720 You don't okay, you think I want to do crack. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.000 Plus he can't stop himself from being nice to me, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.000 even if he's still raiding my face. 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:50.679 But I felt like. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.040 You're kind of HTN. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:56.200 Because HTN high tear Normy. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.760 Well, you have on tap potential right. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:00.920 How coarse? 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.760 Chapter two Inheritance Tax. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.320 I think Frankenstein is the perfect example of building a 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.040 longevity monster. This monster never ages. He built it through 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.480 building different organs and made him alive through nothing. I 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:33.920 don't think I want to be Frankenstein. 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:39.120 That's another thing I want. That's ragav Segel. We just met, 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.160 but I already feel like we have a lot in common. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.719 He doesn't want to be Frankenstein, and I don't want 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.559 to be Frankenstein's monster. Raga is a longevity researcher, investor 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.840 and faculty at Yale, and he's young to hold so 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:57.120 many positions, just about thirty. He's got a great smile 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.160 and a warmth to him, and right now he's it's 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.880 excited to tell me about a new aging clock he 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.280 helped invent called systems Age. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.760 We built this sort of model of biomarkers which can 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.240 capture aging in different organs of your body from a 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:14.439 single blood test. 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.600 AGE clocks are a big deal in the longevity space, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.720 and everyone is raising to find a more accurate one. Still, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.720 I can't help but think about another scientist. His work 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.160 reminds me of I'm sure this gets brought up a lot, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.000 but the idea of like a single drop being the 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.360 answer to all this like feels very theropose. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:32.520 Like. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:38.040 Ah, I'll like extend the joke for you there, Okay. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:42.200 I I love wearing black turtlenecks and I was on 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:46.720 fobes thirty under thirty. So my labmates pull my leg 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:54.720 all the time about the tyranose choke. But the science 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:55.800 is real in this case. 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.280 Unlike most DNA metaalation clocks, which try to determine how 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.320 old your body is in one fell swoop systems, AGE 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.400 uses the single blood test to estimate how old you 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.040 are based on the individual ages of each of eleven 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:15.240 different systems in your body your heart, your liver, brain, hormones, 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:19.560 metabolism and more. In the meantime, I have another question 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.960 because Ragov was born and raised in Delhi and I 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.800 haven't met a lot of Indian researchers in the longevity space. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.319 I'm curious about things like high blood pressure, heart attacks, diabetes, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:35.080 that skinny fat tire around Indian men's bellies, because these 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:39.640 are all very Indian conditions. As you look at the 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.960 South Asian body, what are you analyzing? What are you understanding? 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.440 Let me start by seeing there has been little to 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.080 no understanding of the South Asian body in the context 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.920 of aging, which is unfortunately just sad. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.080 So Ragov goes hunting and eventually finds an incredible bank 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:02.880 of data in Singapore which is documented over nine thousand individuals. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:06.120 So about three thousand of them South Asian, three thousand 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.959 of them approximately East Asian, and three thousandth of them 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:15.440 Southeast Asian. And what I saw was something stunning, and 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.200 I'd like to share that with you right now. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:19.760 Then he pulls up a graph. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.880 What you're seeing is across these groups, on average, Indians 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:31.600 are aging much faster in multiple different systems their inflammation system, 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:36.080 their heart system, their lung system, their kidneys, their muscular 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:41.920 skeletal system compared to their Malay and Chinese counterparts. And 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.200 that is really shocking to me personally. 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.480 The idea that Indians might be aging five years faster 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:01.320 feels like a warning being blaired to me? Did you 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.480 expect that when you saw this? Did you have a hunch? 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:09.440 I think my expectation was that we would see Indians 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:15.160 aging faster, probably because our diets are unhealthy, or maybe 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:20.400 of colonial generational traumas that have been caused due to colonization. 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.800 But I did not expect it to be almost a 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:29.160 four to five year acceleration of age in systems in 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.240 our different organs. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.240 I mean that chart is insane to look at. Yes, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.960 maybe it's because I was born in America. Maybe it's 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.840 because it's what my dad wanted us to believe. And 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.760 no matter where you start, you can outwork and outwit 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.560 your way to a better life. But no matter how 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.600 disciplined you are, no matter how many supplements or green 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.480 powders or workouts you get in your body answers to 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:57.360 a deeper code. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:05.240 The Indian popa really interestingly, has had about two hundred 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:11.560 years of colonization which was affected by a mass amounts 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.760 of famine. There are about sixteen different famines that happened, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.640 which estimatedly killed close to one hundred and twenty million 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.920 people in that period. That's a lore of humans being killed. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.040 The skill is huge, right. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.480 I'm Rashmi Rae and welcome to the Indian USA. 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.360 For so many, colonization has been presented in a genteel 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:43.000 silver screen wrapping afternoon tea and cricket on the lawns, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.440 railways and men and christ white cotton. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.440 We did our best to succeed, and so I'm sure 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:56.000 too did the leaders of the Indian peoples. 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.120 But for the many South Asians living it, it was 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:06.520 invasions and extractions and economic devastation. As our source tells us, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.080 there were twenty four major fermines from eighteen fifteen to 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.280 eighteen ninety nine, and the Bengal Fairmen of nineteen forty 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:18.040 three alone killed and estimated three million people. That little, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.600 my god, So millions starved as food and riches were 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:24.000 siphoned out of the country. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.640 Alas for the Indian diaspora, the story didn't end with independence. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.160 The aftershocks of British imperial rule continued to reverberate, not 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.879 only in the Indian economy but also in our bodies. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.600 Back to Mngation Ragov, and. 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:46.040 One place that shows up quite clearly to Ragov is 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.320 Inner epigenetics. Epigenetics is kind of like the software operating 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.679 over your genes, telling your body how to react. So 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.159 when it interprets all the traumas that have been passed 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.239 down to you, the things your parents suffered through, it 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.840 uses that in to give your body directions to protect itself. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.880 So if your relatives suffer to famine. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.480 Their bodies are being told there is no food, right 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:16.400 that epigenetics are being told, reprogram yourself store as much 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:21.240 fat as you can, save your energy when you can. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.840 Then you and your fellow survivors seem to see the 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:26.440 same health impacts. 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:31.439 So what's really interesting is that the same trends that 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.920 we see in the South Asian populations here right around 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.240 increased risk of cardiovascular disease, increased risk of obesity, are 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.400 the exact same trends that we see in the Irish 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:48.200 populations that went through the Irish Famine. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.359 The first time I heard about epigenetics, it was about 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.000 people who had survived the Holocaust and the ways that 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.000 their kids' bodies, one generation removed, responded to that trauma. 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.000 But it isn't just one generation. As Rogev tells it, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.840 the ripples last so much longer. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.239 It has been seeing that if you just put a 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:13.320 worm in a fasted state, it will have those variations 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:18.520 in the epigenettics, beaten passed down eight different generations. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:23.119 Isn't colonialism the perfect metaphor for the haves and have nots? 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:28.560 That doctor will Meher talked about two unequal worlds occupying 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.360 the same space. And as I hear it, I think 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.760 of how maybe something happened to my great great great 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.119 grandfather where he suffered and now I have a harder 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:43.040 time losing belly weight. But more than that, I think 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.159 about the right now, all the war and devastation and 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:52.200 economic insecurity, and then how long that devastation will linger 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:56.760 in people's bloodlines. The damage we're causing to future generations 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:03.280 is unconscionable, heartbreaking. And that's not where it ends. The 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.040 health problems caused by colonialism get compounded by globalization. 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:14.280 Now, post independence, there is food, right, those bodies still 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:19.200 remain reprogrammed, they still store fat that way. But there's 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.679 a double whammy where now you're being fed with a 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:30.840 Western diet which is high in fat. Right, Yeah, So 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.920 not only now are you reprogrammed to store fat, you're 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.359 essentially being fed a high five diet through the likes 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.760 of KFC and McDonald's and Subway. By the way, you're 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:45.160 soon going to be visiting India, go have a look 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:45.640 at it up. 0:20:46.960 --> 0:21:00.680 You'll be flooded. The little town and sow, India where 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.280 my grandparents settled, used to feel so isolated from the world. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.639 For the first fifteen years of my life. Nothing seemed 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:13.119 to change there, fashion, cars, music, the TV people watched. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.760 And now when I go back, it is unimaginable. People 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.920 eat fast food and buy prepackaged meals at the supermarket 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:22.960 instead of going to the market market. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.240 And the outcome of that is the double whammy where 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.320 our bodies are storing fat like crazy. There are people 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.760 who get diagnosed with fairy liver disease within the eighteen 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.560 to twenty two point five bmi in the Indian subcontinent, 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:46.000 and that to me is the most shocking part. 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:52.200 It isn't long before Raga than I are reminiscing about 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.080 in India that used to be and the way lifestyle 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.840 contributes to health, the evening walks, the time reserved for friends, 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.600 the culture of siestas, which it turns out we're both 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:04.040 fond of. 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:10.280 I'm a very nocturnal being. Personally, I love sleeping during 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:18.639 the day, and unfortunately people in my lab know that 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.040 they should not message me between three to five because 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:23.240 I'm probably taking a nap. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:23:05.960 Chapter three, Diving in As American as I am. My 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.600 body is tethered to India, to its food, its history, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.239 so maybe investigating my roots could reveal something. But I 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:17.880 couldn't force myself to buy a ticket. Lizzie kept reminding 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:21.639 me to book, watching the prices creeping up, and I 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.880 kept dragging my feet. If you talate it up. I've 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:27.520 spent years of my life in India, and I've gone 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.840 to go up plenty, but I've only been three times 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.760 with my dad. The first was when I was two. 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.320 My mom, sister, and I traveled out first, then he 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.560 joined us and the whole extended family took a train 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:45.560 trip because I was too and obsessed with trains, so 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.720 we traveled to Bombay, where we attended a big family 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:53.080 wedding together. The second was when I was in my twenties, 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.800 a father's son trip. We spent a week together. He 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.080 showed me the places he'd played in the beaches. He 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.560 loved most, the old farmhouse that my grandfather had built 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.320 in the mill where he'd helped his dad with little experiments, 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.439 where he'd first realized how much he'd loved science. My 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.520 dad showed me the stage where he and his sister 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.760 had written and performed plays in the backyard that had 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.960 once been six hundred acres of mango trees and a 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.760 little waterfall and a garden full of exotic, perfumed roses, 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:27.840 and now none of that. We drank fenny and coconut 0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:30.600 water late into the night as he told stories and 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:36.720 we listened to Goin' songs. He was so himself there, 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.960 his best self, and I remember watching him beame every 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.080 time he got the chance to talk to a local 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:48.480 and slip into Goin'knkney, which spilled from his tongue effortlessly, 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.199 as if he'd never stopped speaking it, as if he 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:56.480 hadn't spent fifty years, thousands of miles away from this land. 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:04.359 My dad never thought twice about leaving India, but his 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.920 heart was always in Goa. 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:24.240 No. 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:29.280 So the third time I traveled to go with my dad, 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:34.359 I carried him there in a box. And it's the 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:38.240 space between those two memories, the emptiness I know I'll 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:57.760 feel that's been holding me back. I meet my mom 0:25:57.800 --> 0:25:59.439 and my aunt child throw in Bangalore, and then we 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.920 fly to go and take a long taxi ride to 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:05.200 the hotel one I've booked on the beach. But even 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.000 before we get there, they have their own agenda, a 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:10.880 hit list of temples to visit, sights to see, cousins 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.080 to meat, plus morning walks, high teas on the veranda. 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.280 We eat breakfasts and dinners together, but they're not a 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.400 part of my return to health narrative. Instead, they're off 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:26.280 gallivanting at a dizzying cliff. But also it's exactly what 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.560 I'd hoped for. Suddenly I have time to think and 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.440 work and explore a little biohacking clinic just a half 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:38.199 mile down the road. I thought I'd be fine on 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:44.879 the walkover, I didn't realize, Yeah, Ga, I would have 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:46.680 taken a car if I knew I was setting this mud. 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:52.399 I'd walked past this unassuming white bungalow and then doubled back, 0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.000 and I was surprised. It was pretty and understated, hidden 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.119 in the back of a neighborhood a few streets off 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.400 the main drag. But as one of the co founders 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.720 Eklavia Batcharia tells me that's very much by design. 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.520 Alienated in India, the mentalities. 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.760 If you're stepping into a clinic, people think you are sick, right, 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.840 So for us, we wanted to let people know that 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.160 there is no right or wrong age to take care 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:16.800 of yourself. 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.359 And while the exterior might be traditional, the interior is 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.119 anything but there's AI created longevity art on the wall, 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.040 stuff that would look at home in any of the 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:30.359 biohacker houses. I visited shelves of vials and longevity books 0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:34.159 and a big, long sectional to recline on, positioned in 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.760 front of a big screen TV, where a nurse can 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:41.080 pull up with any number of ivs. Reverse Infinity's co founders, 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.320 Eklavia and his brother in law, doctor Powen Rane, tell 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.639 me they offer everything you'd see at a wellness clinic 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.000 in the States, from cryptotherapy. The ivy is filled with 0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.240 recovery stacks, all its significantly lower prices. 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.320 This eighty four year old biohacking lady who came to us, 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.760