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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Lucas Adams from New York Review Comics here

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Speaker 1: with a warning, warning, warning warning. Despite Mangesh's grandmother's greatest wish,

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Speaker 1: he is one hundred percent not a doctor and nothing

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Speaker 1: in this episode should count as medical advice. Absolutely nothing. Also,

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Speaker 1: Mangesh finish the show already so we can go get

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Speaker 2: Sud so my god, t other throesome to awesome, toroesome, torossome.

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Speaker 3: Episode six untapped potential aush.

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Speaker 4: So we have started on this end, so we are

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Speaker 4: currently around six feet BELOWSI eleven. The aim of today's

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Speaker 4: session is take through to at least thirty three.

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Speaker 5: Feet below level.

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Speaker 3: It's late February two thirty in the afternoon. I'm in Goa,

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Speaker 3: sitting behind a locked hatch, looking through a porthole window,

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Speaker 6: Just a rim of trivial.

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Speaker 7: A hyperbetic session is actually.

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Speaker 5: Known as a dive.

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Speaker 3: There's a beach a half mile away, coconut water, and

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Speaker 3: a book I could be reading, but I met Reverse Infinity,

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Speaker 3: a self described biohacking lib and advanced wellness clinic in India,

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Speaker 3: finally trying hyperbaric oxygen in therapy. My body is being

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Speaker 3: for a ninety minute session was really a good idea.

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Speaker 6: How don't you ask me before why pushing for one?

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Speaker 7: Bob feeling actually begins at one bottle fresh to get

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Speaker 8: We all best trying to take to the idea.

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Speaker 3: As I sit in the chamber, diving deeper and deeper,

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Speaker 3: I think about what's happening inside my body, how my

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Speaker 3: it will leave me feeling sharper. That's what so many

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Speaker 3: longevity enthusiasts say it does. I daydream about the possibilities,

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Speaker 3: and my eyelids grow heavy, and I smile. I think

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Speaker 3: how happy I am to be here. How I almost

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Speaker 3: pushing it off one more time, not because I'm afraid

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Speaker 4: We'll get I'm just telling you again, I thought you

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Speaker 4: were kind of got to that. You're right now breathing

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Speaker 4: mary thirty to forty liters per minute or oxygen. I

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Speaker 4: don't ada wonder story anymore.

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Speaker 5: Sent back, relax, and I have a great.

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Speaker 3: Session from Validoscope. And iHeart podcasts. I am Monga's particularly

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Speaker 3: This is how to Live Forever, Chapter one, free console.

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Speaker 9: So it goes from lt N, which is low to

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Speaker 9: your normy right HDN, and then after that there's Chad

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Speaker 3: Over the past few months, I've talked to investors and

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Speaker 3: is happening right now with my son, Henry. I've just

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Speaker 9: The maiden guy that kind of leads this is clovicular.

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Speaker 9: They analyze a lot of very like minute details about people, right,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Henry and his pals have been watching clav as. They

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Speaker 3: call him this manisphere beauty streamer slash influencer who's taken

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Speaker 3: over themselves laughing, ranking each other's jawline. So I'm sitting

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Speaker 5: So tell me about myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm obviously in my mid to late forties, and where

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Speaker 3: on a scale, like how would you analyze my face?

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Speaker 9: I think I'd give you EMPTN HTN, Right, what's MTN

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Speaker 9: is mid tier normy? Right, You're better than the load

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Speaker 3: On the one hand, talking to my kid like this

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Speaker 9: There's a good amount of anti Semitism in the looks

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Speaker 9: derives from when Hitler used to give rin examples of

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Speaker 9: people and how they looked better. Right, So you seem

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Speaker 3: So he gets it, the cruel mix that creates these

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Speaker 9: You seem to have a square face, or as Clave described,

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Speaker 9: I don't, It's just he said that in his example,

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Speaker 3: It's notable that Clave's face analysis includes Trump as a

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Speaker 3: paragon of intelligence. Henry, on the other hand, is joking

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Speaker 9: Okay, I see that you have creases.

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Speaker 10: I think you should try doing some facial exercises to

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Speaker 3: I don't know what he's talking about. I do wear

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Speaker 9: And i'd say probably start bone smashing.

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Speaker 3: Clavicular has gotten endless press for telling his followers to

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Speaker 5: That doesn't work.

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Speaker 11: Make it look more defined, they say it works.

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Speaker 12: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Class also told his followers that using meth is a

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Speaker 3: Henry also thought he's people to try crack, but it

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Speaker 11: They suggest doing crack to make you less hungry and

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Speaker 11: And apparently Clovicular has also done meth, as he stated

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Speaker 5: That's generally arrested me for not looking great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah and destroying your life.

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Speaker 3: And then he gives me a knowing smile, the kind

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Speaker 3: For a long time, I didn't want kids because I

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Speaker 3: was fair to saddle someone with that, But I'm comforted

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Speaker 3: trust your gut. So I know my sweet and weird

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Speaker 3: taking crack and doing cren Yes, yes, well I've made

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Speaker 7: If you want to do crack.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: You don't okay, you think I want to do crack.

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Speaker 3: Plus he can't stop himself from being nice to me,

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Speaker 12: But I felt like.

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Speaker 9: You're kind of HTN.

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Speaker 3: Because HTN high tear Normy.

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Speaker 9: Well, you have on tap potential right.

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Speaker 12: How coarse?

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Speaker 3: Chapter two Inheritance Tax.

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Speaker 13: I think Frankenstein is the perfect example of building a

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Speaker 13: longevity monster. This monster never ages. He built it through

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Speaker 13: building different organs and made him alive through nothing. I

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Speaker 3: That's another thing I want. That's ragav Segel. We just met,

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to be Frankenstein, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: to be Frankenstein's monster. Raga is a longevity researcher, investor

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Speaker 13: We built this sort of model of biomarkers which can

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Speaker 3: AGE clocks are a big deal in the longevity space,

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Speaker 3: and everyone is raising to find a more accurate one. Still,

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Speaker 13: Ah, I'll like extend the joke for you there, Okay.

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Speaker 13: I I love wearing black turtlenecks and I was on

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Speaker 13: fobes thirty under thirty. So my labmates pull my leg

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Speaker 13: all the time about the tyranose choke. But the science

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Speaker 3: Unlike most DNA metaalation clocks, which try to determine how

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Speaker 3: because Ragov was born and raised in Delhi and I

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Speaker 3: haven't met a lot of Indian researchers in the longevity space.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious about things like high blood pressure, heart attacks, diabetes,

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Speaker 3: South Asian body, what are you analyzing? What are you understanding?

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Speaker 13: Let me start by seeing there has been little to

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Speaker 3: So Ragov goes hunting and eventually finds an incredible bank

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Speaker 13: So about three thousand of them South Asian, three thousand

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Speaker 3: Then he pulls up a graph.

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Speaker 13: What you're seeing is across these groups, on average, Indians

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Speaker 3: The idea that Indians might be aging five years faster

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Speaker 15: For so many, colonization has been presented in a genteel

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Speaker 3: I don't feel noticeably different after, and a Clovia tells

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Speaker 3: me that after one session you might sleep better or

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Speaker 3: feel calmer. But as the Mayo Clinic writes, the real

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Speaker 3: benefits come from cumulative sessions to treat things like gangreine,

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Speaker 3: non healing wounds or tissue injuries from radiation therapy that

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Speaker 3: could take dozens of dives. We move on to the

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Speaker 3: crypto chamber or the chiller, as a Clavia calls it.

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Speaker 7: Okay.

446
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Speaker 6: So as soon as you edit a skip, temperature drops

447
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Speaker 6: by fifteen degrees, the brain fails. Okay, what's happening, okay,

448
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Speaker 6: So what he'll do is all the rubbish processes like

449
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Speaker 6: me is growing all that stuff right, which happens twenty

450
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Speaker 6: four seven? They all shut. Are the body's main preugative

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Speaker 6: to access to be counts to save your inn altments. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Clovia also tells me the cold could help me lose

453
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Speaker 3: weight if I do it more often.

454
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Speaker 4: There's something on this cold shock protein intopog so generates heat,

455
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: so it burns your fat so that you don't feel

456
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Speaker 4: that cold.

457
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Speaker 3: I take off my shirt and glasses they could crack

458
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Speaker 3: from the temperatures. I put on gloves and socks to

459
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Speaker 3: protect my extremities and a face mask, and they fix

460
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: the sensor to my skin to capture my body temp.

461
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Speaker 3: And then I step into what feels like a walk

462
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Speaker 3: in freezer three two.

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Speaker 6: So no an overthink, it's not that porne. Nothing's gonna happen.

464
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, human survive at minus fifty.

465
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: The chamber fogs up. I think warm thoughts. I march

466
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Speaker 3: in place. My thicket of arm hairs is frozen, stiff

467
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: and white like frost on blades of grass. I cut

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Speaker 3: out the full five minutes.

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Speaker 17: Now your hairs, so I'm gon show you not yet

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Speaker 17: press sure, see it.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't that, That's what I told you, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The cold therapy is thrilling. Maybe it's just the relief

473
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Speaker 3: of not being in the cold, but I feel wide awake,

474
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Speaker 3: honestly euphoric. I move on to the next part of

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Speaker 3: the circuit, the red light therapy room, which looks like

476
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Speaker 3: the scene out of a nineties rat video with these

477
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: tiny red dots lanning a space the size of an elevator,

478
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Speaker 3: and I stripped down and sit in what feels like

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Speaker 3: a futuristic sauna and experience equlavia li likens to a

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Speaker 3: mother's hug.

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Speaker 4: Can you see these?

482
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Speaker 6: Yeah? You won't be able to see these when I

483
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Speaker 6: switch on the other nights.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So these are eight fourteen anime near infurred light. Right,

485
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Speaker 4: So your coffee, which you mentioned you will love it

486
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Speaker 4: like it will love it for.

487
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Speaker 3: This, Okay, I'm definitely sweating, but technical what I'm doing

488
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: isn't heat therapy. It's light therapy with red and near

489
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: infrared wavelengths targeting your skin and cells. The hope is

490
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Speaker 3: that they activate your mitochondria into repairing more tissue and

491
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Speaker 3: reducing inflammation. I'm brace the light for about fifteen to

492
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Speaker 3: twenty minutes, then I head back to the cryo. I

493
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Speaker 3: last seven minutes the next go around, and then back

494
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Speaker 3: to the red light. And then my body feels new.

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Speaker 3: Whatever soreness I had from playing tennis that morning has

496
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Speaker 3: completely disappeared. I'm not clenching my jaw and I freely

497
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: don't for the next day, and I feel energized. When

498
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Speaker 3: I go to sleep that night, I don't stare at

499
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Speaker 3: the ceiling for an hour before dozing off, or wake

500
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Speaker 3: up repeatedly through the night. I just pass out and

501
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Speaker 3: have the best night's sleep I've had in months. Chapter

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Speaker 3: four an older answer. In India, food is love. And

503
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: one of the things that's very sweet is that whenever

504
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 3: I visit, often with years in between, my relatives welcome

505
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: me with my favorite meals. And these are four things

506
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Speaker 3: I love that show up on the menu a lot.

507
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Speaker 3: Number one song my absolute favorite. This tangy fiery potato

508
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Speaker 3: dish is made with chili, onions, tamar and salt, and

509
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: of course potatoes. I love it. With yogurt rice and

510
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: a dollup of lime pickle. Two China batura, a spicy

511
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: chickpea curry served with a huge puffed fried bread. The

512
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: bread is served fresh, and it is a joy to

513
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Speaker 3: pop it with your and watch it deflate. And even

514
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Speaker 3: though it is piping hot, I can never wait to

515
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Speaker 3: stuff it in my mouth. Three Pollock Panier. I know

516
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: this creamy spinach gravy with Panier cubes is a takeout staple,

517
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: but my grandmother's vision was so much better than the

518
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: restaurant fair and to me it tasted like heaven and

519
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: four poni pori. So this is a street food my

520
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: dad loved and one I didn't quite get as a kid.

521
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: It's a crispy, brittle, spherical shell. It's stuffed with tiny

522
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: potato mash that has chili powder and cumin and salt.

523
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes there are onions sprinkled on or coriander, and then

524
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: it's filled with a spicy, tangy, minty tamer and water.

525
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: And as you stuff the entire thing in your mouth,

526
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 3: it explodes with all the flavors and textures. It's crunchy

527
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: in liquid, herbal and tart, savory and spicy and also

528
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: sweet somehow, and this tiny maximalist food it feels like

529
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Speaker 3: pure delicious chaos in your mouth, and yet for an

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Speaker 3: entire Indian diaspora, it tastes like joy. When I talk

531
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Speaker 3: to a book editor friend about it, she said, that's

532
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Speaker 3: what India is. It is everything all at once. It's

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Speaker 3: twenty six languages heard on the same street. It's the

534
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Speaker 3: farmer selling bananas at the rickety stall, taking Google pay,

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Speaker 3: a place where disparate ideas aren't really in competition. And

536
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Speaker 3: that's what I'm thinking when I take off my shoes

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Speaker 3: and step into another villa, one that houses a more

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Speaker 3: ancient approach to maintaining and restoring the body, the Shri

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Speaker 3: Shanti Aervea clinic.

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Speaker 18: What did Lizzie tell you about this?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 19: She said, you have some health concerns, so we will

543
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 19: talk about that. Yeah, and along with that, the same

544
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Speaker 19: conversation will get recorded because that will go to a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Jigitravindran is an Arabadic doctor in Iraa. Is this traditional

546
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Speaker 3: way of understanding the body through balance, digestion, climate and

547
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Speaker 3: also by taking into account the particular constitution you were

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Speaker 3: born with and even within irab that there are lots

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Speaker 3: of branches and specialties.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a specific lineage or something.

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Speaker 19: Yes, So I do practice a something called punch about

552
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Speaker 19: the chigasa, which I learned from my guru in Kolapur.

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Speaker 19: So in that what we do is like usually in

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Speaker 19: my practice, I check the patients in the bombings in

555
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Speaker 19: empty stummach attack the abdomen, I listen to the sound.

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Speaker 19: From the sound, we can understand the imbalance in the body,

557
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Speaker 19: and then we decide the medicine. That is something unique

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Speaker 19: in Iowa. It's not even written in the Iraitic textbooks.

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Speaker 3: Part of the reason I'm here is knowing that the

560
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Speaker 3: Indian body is different. I'm wondering if the diets recommended

561
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Speaker 3: in the West are really right for me. I'd ask

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Speaker 3: Ragov about this. One of the things they often say

563
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Speaker 3: is like, oh, look at the Mediterranean diet. But I'm curious,

564
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Speaker 3: do you have any sense of you know, if we're

565
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Speaker 3: working this off in eight generations right, like what types

566
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Speaker 3: of foods should we be eating?

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Speaker 13: Honestly, I don't have an answer, because we're in new territory.

568
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Speaker 13: I would argue almost the Mediterranean diet is really well studied.

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Speaker 13: In a Mediterranean setting, which is typically a certain genetic

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Speaker 13: background whose epigenome and genetics has not been destabilized in

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Speaker 13: a way. Right, So I would argue what we need

572
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Speaker 13: to do is sort of really go back to the

573
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Speaker 13: basics here. So if you were to ask me, what's

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Speaker 13: the staple in my fridge, it's actually a bowl of

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Speaker 13: somber because it's one of the healthiest things I feel. Right, Yeah,

576
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Speaker 13: it's lentils high in protein, it's vegetables high in fiber,

577
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Speaker 13: and it's this form of a stew, right Yeah, I

578
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 13: put in some Italyes, that's some good carbs right there, right,

579
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Speaker 13: and it's the perfect meal and it's really filling.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I love the idea of an excuse to eat

581
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Speaker 3: Italy sami area. So I'm curious what is the Mediterranean

582
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Speaker 3: diet for me? But as jigit reminds me, India isn't

583
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Speaker 3: a monoculture.

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Speaker 19: You go to different parts of India, different state, everyone

585
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 19: has a different culture, Everyone has a different food culture. Now,

586
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 19: all this food culture is based on their geography and

587
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 19: their climate, so it depends on what can be cultivated

588
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 19: and those foods will be you know, really healthy.

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Speaker 3: Fur them Irveda doesn't present itself as a one size

590
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: fits all cure. It's more like a vast data set.

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00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: And inside that system, food has direction. It can push

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Speaker 3: you out of balance or bring you back. So do

593
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: you need foods that cool your constitution like the sweetness

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Speaker 3: of melon or the calm of buttermilk, or foods that

595
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: bring you heat more ginger and chili and cumin, ingredients

596
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: that flavor and meal as much as they light a

597
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Speaker 3: small digestifier. What have locals eaten for centuries to maximize

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Speaker 3: their health in this environment?

599
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Speaker 19: We always tell that now right now you're in Goa.

600
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Speaker 19: The stablefood in Goa is like fish, curry and rice.

601
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Speaker 19: You should read that. And the vegetables which is getting

602
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 19: cultivated here. That is the best food to eat. That

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00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 19: is the one major key. Now I always guide about

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Speaker 19: changing the food according to the weather and also your

605
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Speaker 19: regimens according to the weather.

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Speaker 3: I love the romantic idea of this, that you can

607
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Speaker 3: return to a place and feast the way locals have

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Speaker 3: done for centuries, and I know how to eat here

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Speaker 3: in Goa. But also I have no idea what this

610
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: means for me in Brooklyn? Does it mean a diet

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Speaker 3: of root vegetables and oysters? Is it pizza and bagels,

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Speaker 3: which I already know isn't working for me. But before

613
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: I can solve that, we're talking about my health, everything

614
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Speaker 3: from blood pressure, being pre diabetic, the band around my belly,

615
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: my knees and neck and shoulder pains.

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Speaker 19: After forty you have to take care of your health,

617
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Speaker 19: you know, after that white default body is in the

618
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 19: growing stage, you can say, but at the forty that

619
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 19: pace will.

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Speaker 5: Go down growing.

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Speaker 3: I say, this is a gesture to my stomach.

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Speaker 19: It's not growing, it's not growing this way, this way

623
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Speaker 19: to the side.

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Speaker 3: She just believes I can make tweaks to make things better,

625
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Speaker 3: and I made the take on my untapped potential.

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Speaker 19: So what I'm usually you have your breakfast. I don't

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Speaker 19: really have breakfast, lunch at what time? Maybe tewish being

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Speaker 19: to try to sleep, Like you don't get to sleeping.

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Speaker 5: So like often I don't fall asleep until one or

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Speaker 5: two and average, like how long do you sleep? Probably

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Speaker 5: like five six hours. That's like if I hear something,

632
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Speaker 5: I'll wake up.

633
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: For months. I've been looking for the right inventions and

634
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 3: the exasperating thing is everyone keeps banging on about the

635
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: importance of sleep, which sounds so simple, but also for

636
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: me is the hardest thing to figure out. Of course,

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Speaker 3: sleep is just one of the simple recommendations digit las out.

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Speaker 19: What we say is like take a risk, eat properly,

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Speaker 19: then take the medications and apply the medicator.

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00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 5: Oil on the joints.

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00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 19: These four things go hand in hand, then the healing will.

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Speaker 3: Have But maybe that's what I came to India to remember.

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00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: My body isn't some twenty four hour machine I can

644
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: upgrade with the right stack. My body comes from somewhere.

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00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: It carries a history. My father is Goa Ragov's charts,

646
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: colonial famines, American workaholism, airport meals, late nights, tennis, injuries,

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Speaker 3: and inherited stubbornness. I think taking care of myself might

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00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: mean taking my indianas seriously, not just as unique heritage,

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00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: but as a distinct biology. Of course, I have no

650
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Speaker 3: idea what that means in practice. Maybe it's fewer late nights,

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00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 3: maybe it's more Italy sombar. The clinic is closing now,

652
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: and I'm grateful for Jigit's time, so I thank him

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Speaker 3: and then race off to find a rickshaw to take

654
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Speaker 3: me to my mom. Chapter five, Alma, I'm.

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Speaker 12: Gonna start birding soon.

656
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Speaker 20: I had actually called the group and the guy in

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Speaker 20: charge talk to me, and he asked me to come

658
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Speaker 20: to the pier at something like six in the morning,

659
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Speaker 20: and I didn't know where the peers were and how

660
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Speaker 20: to get there, and I didn't.

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Speaker 3: In goa my aunt, my mom, and I spent our

662
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Speaker 3: evenings feasting and laughing and gossiping and reminiscent to a

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Speaker 3: quiet soundtrack of waves lapping against the shore. We celebrated

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Speaker 3: my mom's birthday and met three different groups of cousins,

665
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: and in a blink the week was over. We hugged

666
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Speaker 3: and flew in different directions. But it's only when my

667
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: mom returned to Brooklyn, where she now lives a few

668
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Speaker 3: blocks away from us, that we finally got a chance

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Speaker 3: to talk. I've been worrying about her. I'm so busy

670
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: that I don't really know. Is she lonely? Is she happy?

671
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Speaker 3: How does she feel about her age and life as

672
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Speaker 3: she leans into seventy seven. So we pour a kettle

673
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Speaker 3: of Earl gray into mugs, sit across our kitchen table,

674
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Speaker 3: and I turn on the mic.

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Speaker 18: When you were a kid, how old did you think

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Speaker 18: was old?

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Speaker 20: Anything like forty? I think was old. Forty was a

678
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 20: big number. I'm seventy seven and I don't feel old

679
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Speaker 20: at all. Now I know is just in the perception.

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Speaker 18: How do you think about aging?

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Speaker 20: You have to have a right attitude about it and

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Speaker 20: not worry and take every day as it comes and

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Speaker 20: enjoy it to the full. There's no aging as such,

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Speaker 20: I think. I think it's in your mind. And probably

685
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Speaker 20: people who have health problems will have another answer.

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Speaker 18: What do you think is a full lifetime? Like, what's

687
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Speaker 18: the right age?

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Speaker 20: As long as you have health and you have your

689
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 20: partner living with you and your loved ones around you.

690
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 20: Now I've lost Umish, my love, and then I've lost

691
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 20: my sister in law much younger, but we were best friends.

692
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 20: And then a Chaitra, my friend and mentor, I lost her,

693
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Speaker 20: And so all the love ones that I had to

694
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 20: guide me and who could understand me and I could

695
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 20: speak on any subjects with them, they all gone. So

696
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 20: now there's no incentive.

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Speaker 3: This is the part I was worried about. People love

698
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Speaker 3: my mom. The year she retired as a preschool teacher,

699
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: kids in her class cried because their siblings wouldn't have

700
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 3: a chance to have her. When she was on a

701
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 3: grand jewelry duty and the case finally ended. The woman

702
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: who sat next to her for months cried because she

703
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: was going to miss doing the crossword with her. Even

704
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: in Brooklyn, when she takes the train from Penn Station home,

705
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Speaker 3: she ends up with strays people she sat next to

706
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Speaker 3: who want to join her for a tea or coffee

707
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: when they get off the subway. But she's also a homebody.

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Speaker 3: She just wants to be near a garden with her

709
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Speaker 3: kids and a dog somewhere close by, and a few

710
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Speaker 3: close friends to call. And there are fewer and fewer

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Speaker 3: of those.

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Speaker 12: You don't feel like business, No, they isn't.

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Speaker 20: But life is is a gift and I'm going to

714
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Speaker 20: honor it and be happy, make myself happy. And I

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Speaker 20: have you have my children to keep me going, and

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Speaker 20: the grandchildren even more. Yeah, so there is an incentive there.

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Speaker 3: It's been four years now, and I don't want to ask,

718
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: But also I can't stop myself.

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Speaker 18: Do you think about that a lot?

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Speaker 12: Yes? And every month the sixth night is very hard

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Speaker 12: for me. I ready sleep that night.

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Speaker 3: I missed the two of them together in my teens

723
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Speaker 3: and twenties. They bickered so much, but then somehow I

724
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: watched them just enjoy one mother, And as the years

725
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: passed and my sister Shanta and I needed them less,

726
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 3: I saw them grow closer and closer.

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Speaker 18: Would you miss.

728
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Speaker 12: Everything?

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Speaker 20: I don't feel like watching movies without him because he

730
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 20: used to choose them for me. Is going to Broadways

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Speaker 20: because we always had the season tickets it broadbly came

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Speaker 20: to town, the food, preparing it together.

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Speaker 12: You always helped me. He helped me with everything.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, companionship mainly.

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Speaker 18: What's the thing he missed the most going to bed?

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Speaker 20: His heart because he always helped me close when he

737
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Speaker 20: went to bed.

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Speaker 12: So now I have a.

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Speaker 20: Stuff dynamber next to me, and people wonder why I've

740
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Speaker 20: grown up seventy seven woman needs a stuffed animal next

741
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Speaker 20: to her, But that's the reason I feel.

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Speaker 12: He's next to me.

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Speaker 18: How old do you want to lift you?

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Speaker 12: I hope it's within the next three years. Next three years, yeah,

745
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Speaker 12: I think I'd be too slow.

746
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Speaker 20: I'd be too much of a dinosaur to carry on

747
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 20: with the world. It's going so fast, So som enjoy

748
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Speaker 20: the next three years thoroughly. Truck in my hands. Mom

749
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Speaker 20: lived to be eighty six. Dad was seventy three meeting

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Speaker 20: dead now.

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Speaker 3: Terns listening back. I don't know why I asked this question.

752
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I could feel her world evaporating and

753
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Speaker 3: I wanted to believe she had things to cling onto.

754
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: My heart sinks when I hear the response, But I

755
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Speaker 3: guess I've spent an entire show saying I don't want

756
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Speaker 3: to live forever, and here's my mom saying the same thing,

757
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Speaker 3: that she just wants to have her health and enjoy

758
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Speaker 3: what she has left to the fullest. So I want

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Speaker 3: to know what that means. List out the things that

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Speaker 3: make you happy, that you appreciate about your life.

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Speaker 20: Two blocks from where I live, you have Prospect Pack

762
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Speaker 20: and I have six hundred acres at my feet, and

763
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Speaker 20: then there's a library that is spent time in, and

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Speaker 20: then beyond that is the Botanic Gardens, and then I'm

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Speaker 20: a member. So when the Rosa and bloom, I go

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00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 20: right there, and I'm there every second week. I'm there

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Speaker 20: to see what's happening there. We were raised like that.

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Speaker 20: I don't know about men in India, but the girls

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Speaker 20: are raised not to ever get bored, so they teach

770
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 20: us all hobbies. Whether we follow them or not is

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Speaker 20: up to us. So look at me now. You always

772
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 20: ask me, aren't you alone? I'm not alone either. I

773
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 20: listen to your podcasts of music and go sit out

774
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Speaker 20: read work in the garden walk.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 20: And then the two kids upstairs who like to be

777
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 20: out in the yard there, and I love their company,

778
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 20: take them up for ice creams now and then it's

779
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 20: good to spoil them. And then Henry comes to see

780
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 20: me often, and now when then Ruby comes, but Ruby

781
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 20: wants to be alone, and they come and play board

782
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 20: games with me, or we watch a show together. And

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Speaker 20: I love that when you go out at night and

784
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 20: we just have a movie night with them. Love that

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Speaker 20: by just getting rder because they're getting older.

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Speaker 18: What about exercise.

787
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 20: I don't go to a gym or anything here, and

788
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 20: yet in the evening when I check, it's twelve thousand

789
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 20: to seventeen thousand steps, and I don't realize that, nor

790
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 20: do I feel it, because I haven't done it for exercise.

791
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 20: I've just gone to the park and stopped to pet

792
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 20: all the dogs and so that all the dogs know me.

793
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 20: The other day there was a dog called sb Alsation

794
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 20: that I hadn't seen.

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Speaker 12: But it's fun. I get no people because of the dogs.

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Speaker 18: Maybe, Yeah, what do you want from me and Shampa?

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Speaker 20: Just for both of you to have a happy life,

798
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 20: balance in life, balance with work and play, and work

799
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Speaker 20: in family, which I don't see. Somehow both of you

800
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 20: just get pulled into work.

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Speaker 12: And it's not just the two of you.

802
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 20: I see everybody because I don't know sometimes if the

803
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 20: computers are being or a boone. But I just want

804
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 20: to see you happy, happy in life.

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00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 3: I've spent so many months asking how to live longer,

806
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 3: but what my mother is asking me gently is whether

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Speaker 3: I know how to live better?

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Speaker 5: Anything else you want to say.

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00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 20: Now, I just remember that life is a gift, and

810
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 20: never be morose about anything. Everything's fleeting. It's stratitude and

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Speaker 20: perception that keeps you going. Yeah, there's so much to

812
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 20: do in the world and on the.

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Speaker 12: River the sentisoned a friends.

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Speaker 8: All head out there.

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Speaker 3: If you could do it all again, look that so fast?

816
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 3: But change is things. You could do.

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00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 7: It all again, sire, Come down.

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Speaker 8: Come downtown, Come now. I can't be.

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Speaker 7: Life is it was like Nevers.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe it's like nevils.

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Speaker 12: I don't believe it now it's like Nevers.

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00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 7: I don't believe it now, It's like.

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Speaker 3: Never next time. On the final episode of How to

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Speaker 3: Live Forever.

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Speaker 21: My body is fragile and vulnerable and that is one

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Speaker 21: of the capital t truths that folks either deny or

827
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Speaker 21: make them too uncomfortable to think about, and so they

828
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Speaker 21: try to fix with all types of hacks that just

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Speaker 21: really do anything about it.

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Speaker 3: Credits This episode of Skylan Drive How to Live Forever

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Speaker 3: was a total family and friend's affair. The show had

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Speaker 3: written and hosted by Me Manga s particular, if you

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Speaker 3: have the same last name as me, reach out because

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Speaker 3: we are definitely related. Massive thanks to Mark Lotto, who

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Speaker 3: edited this and also spends so much time watching Doordarshan

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Speaker 3: one and two. Why Mark? Why Lizzy Jacobs, our showrunner,

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Speaker 3: without whom I might still be staring at a computer

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Speaker 3: debating whether or not to buy.

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Speaker 5: My ticket to India.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Lizzy for giving me that shove. The one

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Speaker 3: and only Mary full of Sandy, who researched and fact

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Speaker 3: checked the heck out of the show. Where will we

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Speaker 3: be without you? Mary probably still wondering more about claviculars

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Speaker 3: You's history. Mark Steven Allen, our brilliant signs producer who

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Speaker 3: told me I had to meet Rag of you were

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Speaker 3: absolutely right. Raga was a delight. Thank you. If you

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Speaker 3: like the way this show sounds, it is beautiful because

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Speaker 3: of these people. Joe Plored who mixed and sound designed

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Speaker 3: the show. You both read my mind and made things

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Speaker 3: sound so gorgeous. Of Lissamsa Azzati and of course Botany,

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Speaker 3: you all lent me incredible music. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I've got to give a special extra shout out to

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Speaker 3: Peter Matthew Bauer, my friend. The song Miracles comes from

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Speaker 3: his gorgeous, gorgeous album Flowers, which I have listened to

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Speaker 3: on repeat and you should too. This show is executive

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Speaker 3: produced from Iharp and my good friends Ali Perry, Katrina

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Speaker 3: Norvel from Kalaidyscope. We've got my co founder Ozwa listen.

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Speaker 3: Julian mutter Our head of studio, Rachel strom Our brilliant

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Speaker 3: your corner, whether you want legal advice or secondhand pizza shirts.

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Speaker 3: Also thank you. Thank you so much to the team here,

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Speaker 3: Christy David, Dara Agna, Sheina Calypso l Viney for the

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Speaker 3: beautiful collage art. There are so many of you. I

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Speaker 3: also have to give a shout out to the kiddos

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Speaker 3: you know I do, Ruby, Julian Grendel, lu Baby Leon,

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Speaker 3: Baby hal Enzo and pearl Etour and of course Henry

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Speaker 3: for being so sweet about my face and reminding me

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Speaker 3: that if I just changed the direction of my hair,

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Speaker 3: I could look a little more like Ozel. I need

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Speaker 3: to thank my friends. iHeart Bob Connell, will carry Nikki, Jason,

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Speaker 3: Jerry and Moore, Also Shanta and Sara Shitra Pacci who's

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Speaker 3: sweet enough to accompany us to goa which made my trip,

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Speaker 3: All my family in India, all my family in the States.

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Speaker 3: Before I go, I have to send special thanks to

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Speaker 3: the brilliant professor a scholar, also Lizzie's cousin who trained

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Speaker 3: at the Anti Luella School for Elocution, the inimitable rush Me, Rye,

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Speaker 3: rush Me, you are the best. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for doing this. Also the very biggest thanks to Lucas Adams,

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Speaker 3: founder an editor of the New York Review of Comics,

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Speaker 3: with whom I will be eating those caramelized sweet potatoes

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Speaker 3: very soon, I promise. And just one last thank you

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Speaker 3: to my Amma, my dad, Lali Thanomische tikother who keep

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Speaker 3: looking out for me even when I'm trying to look

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Speaker 3: out for them. Thank you so much for listening.