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Speaker 1: Most people feel like the world is getting more chaotic,

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Speaker 1: used to enforce that power. Now, my guest is Simon Dixon. Now,

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Speaker 1: he was speaking at bitcoin conferences fourteen years ago, right

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Speaker 1: spent decades inside banking, capital markets, and inside bitcoin. But

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Speaker 1: instead of reacting to the world as it changes, he

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Speaker 1: studies the patterns underneath it. Now, if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: understand why markets behave the way they do, why volatility

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Speaker 1: Bitcoin went from being attacked to being embraced by Wall Street,

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Speaker 1: this conversation is about to change how you see it all.

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Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and jump right in with Simon. Simon,

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Speaker 1: most people feel like the world's getting crazier. Maybe they

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Speaker 1: can't really put their finger on it. They can't explain

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Speaker 1: why if somebody's going to watch this episode all the

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Speaker 1: way through, what are they going to see about money

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Speaker 1: and power? And they'll hear from you that they won't

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Speaker 2: Great questions. So yeah, I pretty much spent my life

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Speaker 2: for the last twenty five years trying to unpack the

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Speaker 2: people understand that actually, and I think this is what's

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Speaker 2: And that financial industrial complex I call it a proof

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Speaker 2: subordination for all countries, individuals, and corporations is really that

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Speaker 2: these passive index flows into ETFs. The private equity and

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Speaker 2: somebody else custodies. On the corporate level, it's about borrowing

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Speaker 2: And on the sovereign country level, it's about, you know,

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Speaker 2: covert wars, submission to financial weapons of mass destruction, and

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Speaker 2: So I think that sums up where we are right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a lot for us to unpack. So I mean, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: So if I'm summarizing what you're saying, you're basically saying

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Speaker 1: Wow, there's a lot to unpack there. We've went through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're getting a slightly different flavor of it

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Speaker 2: right now, because historically capital has determined you know, money

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Speaker 2: and Xon, then negotiating new defense deals for Exon, you know,

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Speaker 2: for Locked Martin general. Dynamic. Essentially, they're assets stripping everything

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Speaker 2: they can into the US stock market, turning the US

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Speaker 2: debt through fiscal dominant short term and then perpetuating this

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Speaker 2: stable coins which is short term debt, which I think

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Speaker 2: is part of them building their programmable surveillance state integrated

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Speaker 2: with social credit scores and artificial intelligence, and seeing how

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Speaker 2: much retail adoption they can get for that. But that

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Speaker 2: won't create enough demand to reverse, you know, the strategic

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Speaker 1: So in a sense, you have maybe whoever whatever administration,

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Speaker 1: the Bide administration before the Trump administration today they're sort

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Speaker 1: of managing I guess it's the sane as like reorganizing

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Speaker 1: the deck chairs on the Titanic, Like they're reorganizing here

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Speaker 1: and they're kind of controlling what they have, but they

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Speaker 1: don't control the ship. Is that a way to kind

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Speaker 1: of frame what you're saying, Yeah, the government, is that

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. So like the Trump administration Scot percent

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Speaker 1: or the Bide administration before that, or whatever administration comes next,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to manage the best they can, but they're

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Speaker 1: sort of just organizing chairs on a deck. But what

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Speaker 1: you're saying is JP Morgan, Blackrock, et cetera. That are

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah. The government is one hundred subordinate corporate

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Speaker 2: interests at this at this stage, if you look around

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Speaker 2: every congress member, you can see how do they get

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Speaker 2: their funding? Well, from the military industrial complex, the insurance companies,

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Speaker 2: the financial industrial complex, all the different lobbies, and that

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Speaker 2: capital is not deployed for any other reason than that

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Speaker 2: Congressman or Senate represents their interest. All you need to

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Speaker 2: do is look who Trump was funded by His number

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Speaker 2: one funder was Elon Mosk, representing the technical industrial complex.

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Speaker 2: His second funder was there was Palanteering Error as well

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Speaker 2: and Peter Tiel. His second funder was the Bank of

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Speaker 2: New York Mellon family, which is the financial industrial complex interest.

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Speaker 2: Then you had Mariam Maidlestone, which was kind of like

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Speaker 2: the Israel lobby APAC. That's a subset of the military

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Speaker 2: industrial complex. And you can look down at all the

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Speaker 2: different politicians and see the agenda. The first thing that

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Speaker 2: was announced was a big, beautiful bill increased the debt

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Speaker 2: ceiling to five trillion dollars. They did a government shut

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Speaker 2: down to destabilize the dollar further. Then basically the Democrats

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Speaker 2: were negotiating, you know, how much money can we get

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Speaker 2: to the insurance companies through these you know, Medicaid, Medicare,

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Speaker 2: social Security things, and then the Republican side were just

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Speaker 2: saying how much can we get into ai military companies.

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Speaker 2: Eventually you get that settlement, but they're literally just printing

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Speaker 2: as much reallocating that money to the interest that's propped

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Speaker 2: up those lobbies, and the government is one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: captured across the West, so.

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Speaker 1: Power struggles have been there since the beginning of time.

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Speaker 1: You can go through any government as far back as

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Speaker 1: history can show us, and there's you know, there's there's

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Speaker 1: there's power struggles. And as we've kind of gone through

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Speaker 1: now several hundred years of history, doesn't matter if it's

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Speaker 1: a gold standard, doesn't matter, it's a fiad standard. There's

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Speaker 1: going to be these power struggles, and I would imagine

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Speaker 1: as long as humans are on this earth, there's going

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Speaker 1: to continue to be power struggles. So let's bring this

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Speaker 1: down to more of a personal level. Why do I care?

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Speaker 1: Why do you care? Why do any of the let

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Speaker 1: listeners care?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think it's important to understand the game you're

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Speaker 2: playing in in order to understand the rules, because a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are distracted believing that if you go

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Speaker 2: from Biden to Trump it creates like a dopamine of

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Speaker 2: change that depending on your ideology, you suddenly get a hit.

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Speaker 2: But then you realize the big changes are just one one,

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Speaker 2: one policy, and it doesn't make any difference. And so

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Speaker 2: I think there's something very liberating and on a standing,

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Speaker 2: most people think that they're in a democracy where their

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Speaker 2: vote matters. Your vote doesn't matter. What matters is your money,

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Speaker 2: and so the political process is controlled by lobby and

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Speaker 2: if you want to engage in politics, then you need

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Speaker 2: to be rich. It's always been for the rich class.

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Speaker 2: It's always been that way.

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Speaker 1: You think, you think that's bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any way of solving that or

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Speaker 2: resolving that, because whether you've got a democracy, a monarchy,

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Speaker 2: a communist, a socialist, or whatever, it tends to be

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Speaker 2: the richest and wealthy that set the rules because money

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Speaker 2: buys power, and power is corrupted through money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this framing time, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: spend a few minutes digging into this. I was on

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Speaker 1: a show just last week with another bitcoin a prominent bitcoinner.

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Speaker 1: We're both guests, and they were saying how the system

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Speaker 1: is broken and it's not serving people and the millennials

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Speaker 1: are getting screwed and they can't buy houses and we

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Speaker 1: need bitcoin to change the system. And I said, hang on,

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Speaker 1: I look at it differently. Like the system's working exactly

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Speaker 1: as it's intended to work. Most people just don't understand

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Speaker 1: the games, the game as it's intended. And so if

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Speaker 1: I were to bring a game over to your house,

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Speaker 1: the first thing you'd do is like well, what's the game,

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Speaker 1: what's the objective, who are the rules, what's the players?

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Speaker 1: And if I can learn how to play the game,

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Speaker 1: it actually works very well for me. And so to

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Speaker 1: the point that you're bringing up, there's all this asset

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Speaker 1: stripping in the banks and the consolidation of power and

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Speaker 1: reshuffling the deck of the world, which sounds really bad.

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Speaker 1: But again, the question I asked you is bringing it

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Speaker 1: back to individuals like you and I what does all

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Speaker 1: this mean to us? And I think what you're saying

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Speaker 1: is that what it means is that if we want

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Speaker 1: to get ahead as an individual, then we need to

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Speaker 1: learn what the game is and who's playing the game,

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Speaker 1: what the rules are, and then if we can play

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Speaker 1: along with that game, then we can probably also do

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Speaker 1: well with it. Would you say that's correct? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Agree, And then let's bring this right down to the micraze.

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Speaker 2: So you know, once you understand how the system works,

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Speaker 2: you kind of arrive at the point where you want

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Speaker 2: to boycoll it the system right fundaments, we don't want

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Speaker 2: to support evil, and so you ask yourself, well, how

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Speaker 2: do you do that? And so I believe that the

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Speaker 2: America became the dollar, and the dollar was created by

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Speaker 2: the banks, and this financial industrial complex has been doing evil,

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Speaker 2: and so you ask what is the you know, how

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Speaker 2: is that allowed? Well, is through the federal reserve system.

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Speaker 2: So you then know, okay, well, let's focus on the

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Speaker 2: federal reserve system. You know, I'm not going to be

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Speaker 2: able to defeat this, this structural system. But how do

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Speaker 2: I exit it? How do I boycott it? How do

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Speaker 2: I not contribute to it? Because my personal belief, and

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Speaker 2: this is a bit more philosophical, is that money has

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Speaker 2: spiritual energy. And when you when your money is achieved

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Speaker 2: through evil means like supporting palent here while it's doing

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Speaker 2: all sorts of evil around the world, then it comes

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Speaker 2: with a baggage and energy that I think drives you

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Speaker 2: into more degeneracy, more gambling, more things that are productive

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Speaker 2: and harmful, where you get the illusion of the success

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Speaker 2: of wealth, but your life is a disaster. And so

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Speaker 2: I believe when you achieve your money through you know,

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Speaker 2: means that are fundamentally good for humanity, in whatever you

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Speaker 2: define that to be, then I found it to be

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Speaker 2: more sustainable and it actually multiplies further, and rather than

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Speaker 2: ending up degenerate gambling in shitcoins, you end up doing

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Speaker 2: things like sustainably investing, you know, in bitcoin in order

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Speaker 2: to try and increase your wealth and then do good

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Speaker 2: with your wealth. So fundamentally, how do you boycott the

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Speaker 2: Federal Reserve? Well, you do that with either gold, which

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Speaker 2: is what the central banks are doing today, or you

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Speaker 2: do it with bitcoin, which is what individuals can do today.

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Speaker 2: But once you've got the Federal Reserve, who does the

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Speaker 2: Federal Reserve work for? When it works for the banks,

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Speaker 2: because it's owned by the banks, and so you can

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Speaker 2: then look at, well, who are the banks owned by?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: They're owned by the asset managers. So how did the

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Speaker 2: banks get there? Well, they create the dot every time

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Speaker 2: they issue alone and turn you into a product where

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Speaker 2: you're a debt slave to the system. And then they

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Speaker 2: create the security, which is purchased via blackrock via your pension.

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Speaker 2: So you're paying for it for a black rock to

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Speaker 2: buy it and own it. The bank created it by

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Speaker 2: you signing a contract and a mortgage, but they got

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Speaker 2: the dollars and they got to buy the asset and

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Speaker 2: they own your real estate. So then you're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: that's a bit, that's a bit of a scam. Really,

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Speaker 2: So how do you boycott that. Well, let's not buy

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Speaker 2: my bitcoin via the black rock etf If I'm going

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Speaker 2: to buy it, I'll buy it and hold it in

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Speaker 2: self custody. And then what else do they want you

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Speaker 2: to do? Okay, so take your self custody bitcoin and

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Speaker 2: put it in custody with me, and I'll give you

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Speaker 2: a loan against it. So they want you to custody

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Speaker 2: it with them so that they can mine some fa

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Speaker 2: currency and get you in the eternal debt trap, so

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Speaker 2: that when they manipulate the price by leveraging your bitcoin

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Speaker 2: in custody and creating derivatives, they want to steal your

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Speaker 2: bitcoin by trying to margin call you and get you

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Speaker 2: into degeneracy and gambling. And so you can boycott that

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Speaker 2: by not borrowing against your bitcoin, then you get further

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Speaker 2: and right, I'm building my wealth. What am I going

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Speaker 2: to do with my wealth? Am I going to invest

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Speaker 2: in the stock market? Am I going to keep it

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Speaker 2: in bitcoin? Or am I going to invest in decentralized

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Speaker 2: local businesses that make my local community better? Or am

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Speaker 2: I going to invest in Palanteer and Apple in the

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Speaker 2: S and P and just give more power to them

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Speaker 2: in order to use and spend my money in their

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Speaker 2: way and support this globalist infrastructure. And so you spend

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Speaker 2: local and you invest local, and then armed with all

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Speaker 2: of that, you can get redirect the flow of money.

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Speaker 2: If you get wealthy enough, you can engage in political

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Speaker 2: process through your wealth. And that's how I think you

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Speaker 2: you know, that's what I think you can do at

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Speaker 2: the individual level. Now, if you've got bitcoin wealth, what

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Speaker 2: else can you do where you can escape your government

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Speaker 2: and not be star in a jurisdiction that might be

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Speaker 2: about to implement an exit bax or a wealth bax

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Speaker 2: or something that allows them to take your wealth and

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Speaker 2: invest it in wars and military. And so this is

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Speaker 2: the sovereign power. And by having it in self custody

650
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: at scale where you can spend it anywhere globally, you

651
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: can start to build your own you know, import goods

652
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: direct from the farmers in any country. You can escape

653
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: a country if you think that it's getting too much tyrannical,

654
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: and your wealth can go with you, just based by knowing,

655
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, taking your private key with you. And so

656
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Speaker 2: I don't think everybody's going to do this. Most people

657
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: are going to fall for the syop, which is that

658
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: they're going to buy a Bitcoin ETF if they do

659
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: at all, they're going to hold it in custody with

660
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Speaker 2: black Rock. They're going to borrow against it, they're going

661
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: to get margin called, they're going to go into gambling,

662
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 2: into generacy. They're going to go for the easy option

663
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: of the S and P. So they're going to be

664
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: investing in evil and they're going to be giving Blackrock

665
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: their money to make all their investment decisions for them.

666
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 2: Most people will do that, but we need to maintain

667
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: why did Setoshi Nakamoto give us this open source code

668
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: on a decentralized network where you can run a node

669
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Speaker 2: and back up transactions. Where he gave it for the few.

670
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: They're going to want to be free and then you

671
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Speaker 2: become the next elite, and hopefully you don't become as

672
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Speaker 2: evil as the current elite because you want more sovereign power.

673
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Speaker 2: But that's yet to be determined or proven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're talking about the energy, and it is philosophical,

675
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: but I think I spent a lot of time thinking

676
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: about that because you have to manage that. Jeff Booth

677
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: talks about this quite often, like stop giving your energy

678
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: to that system. So even just measuring things in dollars,

679
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: Like you said, investing into those dollar denominated assets, you're

680
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: continue to give that energy to those networks, and so

681
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: we have this opportunity to sort of opt out create

682
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: this new network. And so you know that's what I do.

683
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Hold bitcoin and self custody. Through my fund, Bigcoin Opportunity Fund.

684
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: We invest into bitcoin businesses until we can continue to

685
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: build out the eco system. But you mentioned the Black

686
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Speaker 1: Rocks and the ETFs, and if I borrow against it,

687
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: I could get margin called, which is maybe the games

688
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: they'll play to continue to try to get that bitcoin

689
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: from us, separate us from our bitcoin. As they continue

690
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: to do this. JP Morgan just launched this new bitcoin

691
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: structured product, which is actually a synthetic bitcoin product, sort

692
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: of like how they've always tried to co opt gold

693
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: or silver or anything else. So what are the risks

694
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Speaker 1: I can protect myself. I could buy bitcoin that I

695
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: could remember twelve words in my head, and I could

696
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: go anywhere in the world. But if the JP Morgans

697
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: and the Black Rocks are continuing to consolidate that power,

698
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Speaker 1: what danger does that pose to me? Even as a

699
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Speaker 1: sovereign individual. Governments will never stop printing money, so inflation

700
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Speaker 1: it's not going away. Now. If your money's not earning

701
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Speaker 1: at least ten percent a year, you're losing purchasing power.

702
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Speaker 1: That's why I talk about bitcoin. It's the number one

703
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: way to beat inflation and secure your future. And the

704
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: question I get asked almost every day is where do

705
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: you buy your bitcoin? Now? For years, I've personally use

706
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: River dot com and I only take on sponsors that

707
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: I use and I trust, and I trust them because

708
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Speaker 1: River's bitcoin only. They have one hundred percent reserve, and

709
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: they keep your bitcoin safe in cold storage with no middlemen,

710
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Speaker 1: and you can actually talk to a real person, a

711
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: US based support dedicated manager. Now, try getting that peace

712
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: of mind from coinbase. Of course you can't now the perks.

713
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: If you set up auto buys, you can pay zero

714
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Speaker 1: fees plus instead of your bank paying you, you know,

715
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Speaker 1: zero point four percent on cash, River pays you three

716
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Speaker 1: point seventy five percent on cash paid in bitcoin. So

717
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: if you're ready to build your bitcoin position with confidence,

718
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Speaker 1: go to River dot com, slash Mark Moss and get

719
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Speaker 1: up to one hundred dollars in bitcoin when you sign up.

720
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Speaker 1: Because freedom starts when you own your money and your

721
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Speaker 1: money starts with bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it drives you to more long term behavior

723
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: because in markets. I used to work in market making

724
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: in no market manipulation very well, but in markets it's

725
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: very easy to manipulate markets short term. And Bitcoin's always

726
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: been manipulated short term. This isn't a new behavior. You know,

727
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm a shareholder in many of the exchanges, and I

728
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: know that the goal is to get you to custody

729
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: with them, trade leverage, go into shitcoins and all the

730
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: other games. You know. It started as a simple model,

731
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: but you end up in there, and those that want

732
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: to manipulate the price and bitcoin, they choose to send

733
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: like an incredible amount of bitcoin over to coinbase. People

734
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: would speculate on what that means. You can then use

735
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: social media and media in order to drive people to

736
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: certain behaviors. When they started building bitcoin back loans, they

737
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: could then use margin calls. When they got you into

738
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Speaker 2: perpetual futures and leverage and fifty x, they controlled the

739
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: game of manipulation. They were you know that game and

740
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: short term, there's not a lot you can do about

741
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: it than recognize and know that you're not in that club.

742
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: And if you're not in that club. You probably don't

743
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: want to trade, but you can invest into weakness, and

744
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, the whole own more bitcoin every month type

745
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: of mantra came about because the investors are all equal.

746
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: Now longer term it's harder and harder because there's a

747
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: fixed supply asset. But Wall Street, after Operation Choke point

748
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: two point zero, they built all of the constructs that

749
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Speaker 2: they needed in order to manipulate the price of bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Take out the exchanges or co opt the exchanges, take

751
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: out the banks or co op the banks that we're

752
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: engaging in our sector, and then rebuild the entire bitcoin

753
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: financial industrial complex under the Trump administration. And so we've

754
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: seen that. So now you have bitcoin derivatives, you have

755
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: vehicles for centralizing as much bitcoin as possible. You have

756
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: bitcoin treasury companies, which essentially, you know, the most successful

757
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: strategy has created a vehicle for Wall Street to manipulate

758
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: the price of bitcoin, because now you've created a game

759
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Speaker 2: where there's six hundred and fifty thousand bitcoin. Before the

760
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: latest round, you know, they had fifty four million dollars

761
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: of assets, seven hundred million dollars of liabilities, and so

762
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: now you have to go to Wall Street raise more

763
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: money from the financial industrial complex in order to buy

764
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: more bitcoin. But now they have more and more influence,

765
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: they can use the derivatives market, they can use money printing,

766
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: which is essentially Cant Fitzgerald as a primary dealer. You

767
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: can work with bitcoin treasury companies to try and get

768
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Speaker 2: them to issue stable coins and issue dollar loans against

769
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Speaker 2: their bitcoin in a Wall Street product. And now you've

770
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Speaker 2: set up the entire ecosystem for what operation Chow point

771
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Speaker 2: one point zero destroyed. Now you get banks to have

772
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 2: it on their balance sheet. You then get fractional reserve

773
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: paper bitcoin, You have derivatives market, you have the hedge

774
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: funds out there, and now the financial industrial complex essentially

775
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: can try and use these products to get you to

776
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: get to give your bitcoin over to them. And you know,

777
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: Strategy is a vehicle for centralizing as much bitcoin as

778
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: possible because you took debt instruments, perpetual instruments, and all

779
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: these different types of products against bitcoin, so that when

780
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: you want Strategy to sell bitcoin or raise more finance

781
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: so that Strategy can become more subordinate to the JP morgans.

782
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: Then you can use the short term price manipulation, and

783
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: you can use media manipulation, index fund inclusion, and money

784
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Speaker 2: printing in order to kind of create these vehicles. And

785
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: so that's kind of you know where we are. You've

786
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: got ETFs to get all the passive money, you've got

787
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: strattery in bitcoin treasury companies to centralize in a subordinate

788
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: structure as much as you can using the debt markets

789
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: and the equity markets. They then found a tax incentive

790
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: to get as many bitcoin old bitcoin holders to centralize

791
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 2: and borrow against their bitcoin. So they've built this incredibly well,

792
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: but making people believe that this is bitcoin adoption, when

793
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: essentially it's a control of as many bitcoin as possible

794
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: to those forces to try and persuade you to not

795
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: self custody your bitcoin. But the way you opt out

796
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: of that again is you don't go for these products.

797
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: You boycott the system, and you do the opposite of

798
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: what they want you to do. And then you have

799
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: this two tied system, which is bitcoin in the Wall Street,

800
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: Bitcoin in the financial industrial complex, and bitcoin in self custody.

801
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: Now there's a bit of a battle that we need.

802
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: We need as many of the network to remain in

803
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: self custody run their own nodes, because whenever there is

804
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 2: a you know, another block size war or another war

805
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: like the ones we're seeing right now, in also have

806
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 2: to competing implementations that nodes are running. The only people

807
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: that are going to play in that game are going

808
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: to be the people with bitcoin and self custody and

809
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: running nodes against coinbase and black Croc and all the others.

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Speaker 1: Man, Simon, you have opened up so many rabbit holes

811
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: that I want to dive down into. But we're out

812
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: of time, unfortunately, So we're gonna have to have another

813
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: conversation because I maybe don't see things exactly the same way.

814
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Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of a good conversation

815
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Speaker 1: we could have around the bitcoin treasury companies, I think,

816
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: some of the Wall Street products, sort of the way

817
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: the world is changing, some of the adoption stuff. So

818
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good conversations we could have on that.

819
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Speaker 1: But the point, you know, overall, of course I agree

820
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: with most of everything. But the point that you're saying

821
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Speaker 1: is we can just opt out. We can recognize the game.

822
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: We don't have to play that game. You know, I

823
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: talk about being on a bitcoin standard, everything's getting cheaper

824
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: for me. While everyone's screaming about inflation and the world's

825
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: getting so expensive, like stuff gets cheaper for me. I

826
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: can just opt out. I can just do that. You

827
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: can do that. Everybody listening can do that. We can

828
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Speaker 1: take into self custody. We don't have to play any

829
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: of those games. And I think the big takeaway here

830
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: is that what they can do is short term manipulation

831
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: the volatility to continue to centralize power. But if we're

832
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: out of that system and we're looking more long term,

833
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: we can just live through those drawdowns. We're not a

834
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: margin called we're not you know, playing with the leverage

835
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: things like that. But we got to wrap it up

836
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: with that. Like I said, there's so so many rabbit

837
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: holes we could dive down and have more specific conversations.

838
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about recently, what JP Morgan did

839
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: you know potentially to cause this whole market sell off

840
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: starting with October tenth when they made the announcement, when

841
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: Trump made the tweet announcement about China tariffs, and then

842
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: they changed the margin or margin requirements on MSTR stock.

843
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: That's like a whole other conversation we could have.

844
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have to.

845
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: Come back and by a little bit more pointed conversations

846
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: but let's go ahead and wrap this up side and

847
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: you're a wealth of knowledge and you've been in the space.

848
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: I mean I saw on your ex account, which we'll

849
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: link down below. You're speaking at a bitcoin conference fourteen

850
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: years ago when bitcoin had crashed from thirty dollars all

851
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: the way down to three incredible. So well, we're going

852
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: to have you back, but let's let's wrap it up, Simon,

853
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: close out the show for us, you know, give us

854
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: some parting thoughts and where people can follow you and

855
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: pay attention to.

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00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. When I look at all the trends around

857
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: the world right now and even in the bitcoin ecosystem,

858
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: the word is control. And when I think about it,

859
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: after these fourteen years, what did bitcoin do? Will It

860
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: gave people the ability to control their own wealth, spend

861
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 2: their own wealth, and can and have a mechanism where

862
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: a central banker couldn't change the monetary policy. And so

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Speaker 2: you know, these centralizing forces are about they don't want

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Speaker 2: you holding the private key. They want to control your

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Speaker 2: key for you and your bitcoin. And you can look

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Speaker 2: around the world and everything's about control, whether it's sovereign

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Speaker 2: wealth funds versus debt based ponzi schemes, and that really

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Speaker 2: is going to be the thing. So control is about

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Speaker 2: you know, you thinking about you, your loved ones, your family,

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Speaker 2: what you control, what you own, and how you can

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Speaker 2: use that to protect yourself. And so yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: big journey, but a few places you can get hold

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Speaker 2: of me. I'm because bitcoin gave me the freedom. My

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Speaker 2: company didn't need Silicon Valley money because of bitcoin. I

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Speaker 2: I have very few control structures, and I live on

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Speaker 2: an island where the government has no debt. So you know,

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Speaker 2: it's all about that, you know, control at the moment.

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Speaker 2: And so I've got quite a lot of time. So

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Speaker 2: I post a lot on x in real time to

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Speaker 2: help people follow the money and see through the media

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Speaker 2: and the lies of politicians. And I also tend to

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Speaker 2: as a discipline right now, go live once a week

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Speaker 2: on my YouTube channel where I cover this week in

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Speaker 2: bitcoin and tech, this week in macro, and this week

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Speaker 2: in geopolitics. It's more like a discipline, so that they

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Speaker 2: have to report the time of things I'm following the

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Speaker 2: money for and you can follow along and I publish

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Speaker 2: that on Simon Dixon dot com. So that's what I

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Speaker 2: spend most of my time doing today.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. We'll link to all that down below for everybody,

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Speaker 1: and if you want to hear more of these pointed conversations,

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Speaker 1: drop in the commerce down below. We'll line that up

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Speaker 1: and without signing off, Simon, thanks so much, Thank you, Mark,