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Speaker 1: M h. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast,

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Speaker 1: a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all

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Speaker 1: the small decisions we can make to become the best

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Speaker 1: possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard

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Speaker 1: and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more

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Speaker 1: information or to find a therapist in your area, visit

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Speaker 1: our website at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While

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Speaker 1: I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast,

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Speaker 1: it is not meant to be a substitute for relationship

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Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me for session two hundreds of the

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Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll dive right into the

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Speaker 1: episode right after a quick word from our sponsors. Y'all,

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Speaker 1: we have made it to two hundred episodes. I truly

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Speaker 1: cannot believe it. I'm just so incredibly grateful and humbled

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Speaker 1: to reach this milestone for the podcast, do purely to

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Speaker 1: your amazing support. Thank you for all the times you've

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Speaker 1: tuned in, dropped the episode in your group chats, shared

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Speaker 1: it on your social channels, just all of the things.

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Speaker 1: We literally could not have done this without you. To

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Speaker 1: celebrate two hundred episodes. The production team, including my husband

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Speaker 1: Dennis and Bradford, and Sunday Okarek, who is our producer

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Speaker 1: for the podcast, join me for a conversation about how

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Speaker 1: the podcast has grown, some of my favorite episode and

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Speaker 1: our thoughts about where we like to take the podcast next,

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Speaker 1: and of course we want to hear from you too.

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Speaker 1: If you want to share a quick video or a

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Speaker 1: TVG two hundred, and we'll be sharing some of them

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Speaker 1: on our own social media channels. Here's our conversation. So, Cindy,

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Speaker 1: I thought that for episodes two hundred, first of all,

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Speaker 1: two hundred episodes feels huge. That's a huge, especially in

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Speaker 1: the podcasting space. Two hundred is a commitment, and I

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Speaker 1: love that we've gotten here. You know. It feels like

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Speaker 1: I was just recording episode one hundred and now we

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Speaker 1: but it definitely doesn't feel like it's been a hundred

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Speaker 1: episodes since I recorded episode one hundred. Yeah, time is

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Speaker 1: really weird, honestly, because I'm just thinking about that I

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Speaker 1: started with you in May, but it also feels like

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Speaker 1: I've been here for a very very long time, where

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, like, episode one hundred, but thinking about it,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, that that was Jeff last year or

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Speaker 1: was that two years ago? Yeah, So I hadn't even

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Speaker 1: realized that you haven't even been here a full year.

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Speaker 1: But I think that that is something that I also

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Speaker 1: really appreciate about our entire team is that so many

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Speaker 1: like you've been here even before you officially started working.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And I think that's what so cool about

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Speaker 1: to continue to be of service when choosing who to

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Speaker 1: intersections of black girls and black women. And that's more

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Speaker 1: as an experience in a philosophy that is inclusive of

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can't wait until we get to

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Speaker 1: this episode. Oh, They're always like a zillion idea hanging

435
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Speaker 1: around my head at all times. I love the pop

436
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Speaker 1: culture element just because I think media really does ground

437
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Speaker 1: us a lot of times, Like media helps us kind

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Speaker 1: of like hoodify those things and understand some of these

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00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: I guess, like themes in our lives because you get

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Speaker 1: to watch it play out on screen. I would love

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Speaker 1: to do more of those, thinking about the psychology of it. It.

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Speaker 1: Also really want to figure out how we can do

443
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Speaker 1: an episode around the evolution of black women in reality TV,

444
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: just because I think That is an interesting one. The

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Speaker 1: other one that you have mentioned that we haven't quite

446
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Speaker 1: figured out either is oldest daughters. That was That was

447
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: another one. So yeah, the life experience of an oldest daughter,

448
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: because it feels like such a unique experience across the

449
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Speaker 1: African diaspora, like you know, in the States and abroad

450
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Speaker 1: and everywhere. There's just something about it and I would

451
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,479
Speaker 1: love to uncover that. And then also thinking about non

452
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 1: traditional religions and what that means for black women, black people,

453
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Speaker 1: just because you know, like I know that Christianity is

454
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Speaker 1: foundational for many of us, but we've also seen how

455
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Speaker 1: some of those frameworks have been toxic, and so people

456
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: are kind of in search of what else and what

457
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: are some other possibilities that are available. So I think

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00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting conversation, and also just talking

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Speaker 1: about intergenerational relationships, Like I would love to do more

460
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Speaker 1: of that exploration, So talking to older members of our community,

461
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Speaker 1: talking about what they've seen and how they understand potentially

462
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Speaker 1: having a round table with someone's grandmother, a daughter, and

463
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: like their are just thinking about those kind of dynamics

464
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Speaker 1: and how we reimagine what it means to be a matriarch.

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Speaker 1: Of your family. Oh, I love that. So y'all stay

466
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Speaker 1: tuned because you see, we are clearly ideating on lots

467
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: of cool ideas, and of course we always welcome your input.

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00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: If there are things that we haven't covered or haven't

469
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: covered in the way you'd like to hear, you can

470
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: always send those to us in Therapy for Black girls

471
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Speaker 1: dot com mailbox. We do, like I mentioned, keep an

472
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: eye on that so that we know what kinds of

473
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Speaker 1: things you'all want to hear about. And if there are

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00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: any like really cool people doing interesting things, feel free

475
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: to just tag me on Twitter or just like send

476
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: it to me just so that it's on my radar,

477
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: because you never know what sparks an idea for me

478
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: and those creative rabbit holes, I just need to fall

479
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: down them every once in a while. Cindy loves a

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Speaker 1: good rabbit hoh, y'all, So what is your Twitter so

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Speaker 1: that people can tag you and all the interesting Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my Twitter is at Essence of Sin and it's essence

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Speaker 1: and ohs c I n my name perfect And you

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Speaker 1: can also tag the Therapy for Black Girl's accounts. She

485
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Speaker 1: has an eye on those as well. Well. Thank you

486
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: so much, sending This was great to kind of do

487
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Speaker 1: a little bit of behind the scenes conversation and share

488
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Speaker 1: with the community just how we feel like we've grown

489
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Speaker 1: in two hundred episodes. Yeah, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me. It's kind of weird being on the side

491
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Speaker 1: of the mic, but you're making a you're making a

492
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: very comfortable experience. So thank you. Thank you. So when

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Speaker 1: I first came up with the ideal so on No podcast,

494
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Speaker 1: did you think it would make it two hundred episodes? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely thought it was gonna be, you know, two

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Speaker 1: d episodes. No, I did not. I did not think

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be two hundred episodes. I thought you

498
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Speaker 1: were going to do it for a little bit and

499
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Speaker 1: it was gonna be it. We were gonna do maybe

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Speaker 1: like maybe fifty episodes, and we was hoping done with this.

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00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: You know, I thought this was an experiment, right, you know,

502
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: that we were gonna do this for a little bit

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Speaker 1: and then I was gonna be done. The feedback that

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00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: we've gotten from these episodes have been phenomenal. Like I

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00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: remember when you've had your first thousand downloads and I

506
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: was like, okay, you're like, I'm at ten thousand dollars.

507
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: I was okay, and then you're like, I'm at two

508
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Speaker 1: or thousand dollars. That's oh lord, We're gonna be doing

509
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: this forever. And now over sixteen million downloads. Can you

510
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: believe that? And just think about it? Right? You came

511
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: into the bedroom, it was like, I got this idea,

512
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do therapy for black girls. And I

513
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: was like, okay, baby, I'm playing PlayStation. What are you

514
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Speaker 1: looking like that? I feel like it is a blessing

515
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Speaker 1: in a miracle that we are still together after working

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Speaker 1: on two hundred episodes together. Yes, yes, I will say that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct by that. Yeah, there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of late nights that we've been up. It has not

519
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: been as rosy as some people say. It is hard

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00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: working with a spouse, especially dealing with me, dealing with

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00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: dealing with me, you know, but just really understanding what

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Speaker 1: you were called to do and being able to be

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Speaker 1: here with you and seeing how you have actually gone

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Speaker 1: from this thing that you had an idea to to

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00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: this whole movement, you know, to being amazed that you

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00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: have been able to help and support black women the

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00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: way that you do. Also have our kids right see

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00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: that as well? You know, I think it's been a

529
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Speaker 1: true testament to yourself. And then think about it, right,

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Speaker 1: we have, you know, a few nieces and then being

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Speaker 1: able to see that their t T or Auntie or

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Speaker 1: T if you're for Louisiana is on TV has been amazing.

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Speaker 1: And I just love the fact that you stay true

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Speaker 1: to yourself. You know, I will say that there have

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Speaker 1: been times that I may have said, hey, I would

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Speaker 1: do it this way if you have politely, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say say that I want gonna put that in there,

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Speaker 1: you'll put that in there. But right you told me,

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00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: and you've stayed true to yourself, and that's what I

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00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: can always say that I love about it. And then

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00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: just you being you know, tenacious about black women in

542
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: a sense that we have to heal. So the thing

543
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: that is hilarious to me is when you will take

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Speaker 1: something that you have learned from one of the guests

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Speaker 1: and try to like slip it into conversation. So I

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00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: feel like you do that very often. Especially I feel

547
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: like there was an episode with Dr Lex we were

548
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: talking about do relationships has to be hard work? And

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00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a lot of that conversation

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00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: that you ended up trying to squeeze into conversations. Later,

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00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I have learned a lot more about who you are

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00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: and how you've been trained to really help people. The

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00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: episodes will help you and when you're looking for something

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00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: to get clear to you, and I can honestly say

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00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: that I have directed you know a lot of my friends,

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00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: colleagues and people that I know. Two episodes that have

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Speaker 1: really just resonated, And to be quite honest with you,

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Speaker 1: you and Cindy were talking about it earlier, but the

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00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: episode with Spirit. You know, my background is, you know,

560
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: I was working in corporate America. I had a lot

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Speaker 1: of African American leaders that have to go in every

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Speaker 1: day and put on a shield that they really shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have to do. Right, they take it upon themselves to

564
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, being phenomenal leaders, and that takes a toll

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Speaker 1: on and so being able to go in and share

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Speaker 1: that episode with a lot of the vps that I

567
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: know was very beneficial, and it also helped me to

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Speaker 1: be able to relate to, you know, the times that

569
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: they were sometimes stressing out and they had to be

570
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: strong when they probably didn't need to be strong. So

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Speaker 1: what are you looking forward to in terms of growth?

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00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: For the party. Where can you see this going? Well,

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00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: I see another six hundred episodes to be quite honest,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at like that? So the thing

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00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: that I would like to see is is what we've

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00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: been seeing. Is this a reckoning right where black women

577
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: are getting their credit to deserve On top of getting

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00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: the credit that they deserve, also getting the help that

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Speaker 1: they need for traumas they may have experience in their past.

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Speaker 1: So I personally want to see this continue on for

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Speaker 1: many years to come and really help us heal the

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00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: trauma that we have in our community. Thank you so

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00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: much for all of your health and your support. You listen,

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00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: you know I can't do nothing else. I can't do nothing. Yeah,

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00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't have no choice, you know, you know there

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00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: ain't there ain't no choice, like this is now a lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Thank you. I'm so glad

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00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: Cindy and Dennison were able to join me today. I

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00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: want to thank them for all of their hard work

590
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: and making the show happen each and every week. Don't

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00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: forget to share your favorite episodes of the podcast with us,

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00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: either in a tweet or a video using the hashtag

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Speaker 1: tv G two hundred and share your ideas for future

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Speaker 1: topics with us in our mailbox at Therapy for Black

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Speaker 1: Girls dot com slash mailbox. If you're looking for a

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Speaker 1: therapist in your area, be sure to check out our

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: therapist directory at Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash directory.

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: And if you want to be in community with other

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00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: sisters who love the podcast, come on over and join

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Speaker 1: us in the Sister Circle. It's our cozy corner of

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Speaker 1: the Internet design just for black women. You can join

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Speaker 1: us at community dot Therapy for Black Girls dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thank you' all so much for joining me again this

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Speaker 1: week and for rocking with us for two hundred episodes.

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Speaker 1: Here's the two hundred more. I look forward to continuing

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Speaker 1: this conversation with you all real soon. Take good care,