WEBVTT - Erosion of Our Democracy 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peepsend and welcome to ok F Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.720 Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.160 In today's conversation, we sit. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.000 Down with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.240 and we talk about a range of things that are 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.960 happening right now as it pertains to our democracy and 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.519 the erosion that is taking place, the crumbling that is happening. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.960 But as I turn on the microphone today, George Clooney 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.960 has decided that after putting together a fourteen million dollar 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.959 fundraiser for Joe Biden, that he thinks that the smartest 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:48.560 thing to do is to come out and to say 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.479 that Joe Biden should step aside, that he considers him 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.400 a friend, and he's a good president and was a 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.360 good vice president, but that it's time for him to 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.680 step aside. And what I've wanted to elevate in this 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:03.560 Joe Biden in step aside conversation is one the massagin 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:09.280 award that is taking place with the absolute just dismissal 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.600 of Kamala Harris, who is the Vice President of the 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:17.880 United States, and the fact that it is overwhelmingly rich, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.640 white powerful men that are coming out calling for Biden 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:26.680 to resign to be replaced with a white man, as 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.480 if we don't already have a succession plan in place 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.840 in this country if something happens to the President of 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.759 the United States. What I recognize about this is that 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:42.399 these people who are coming out, overwhelmingly white men, who 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.760 are coming out and calling for Biden to step aside, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.440 have nothing at risk. Their lives are not going to 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.160 be the ones that are upended because of a Trump regime. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.000 They are not going to have to live under threat. 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.560 They are going to have the finances and the skin 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.000 tone to be able to fully and George Clin can 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.080 raise his kids on Lake fucking Como and the other 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:09.720 political punditry, white wealthy male class, they'll be fine, and 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:12.480 they'll probably just get lock and step with Donald Trump 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.400 in order to save their own asses. But it is 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:23.000 the rest of us, who are part of marginalized communities 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.640 who are the ones that are going to be in danger. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:32.920 And so I'm not willing to fucking gamble with changing 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.840 a horse four months into the election. What I am 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.920 willing to do is something that John Stewart brought up 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.200 on The Daily Show, which is we need to bring 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:48.600 in everybody, the governors, you know, the House representatives, the senators, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.840 the medio personalities and what have you, and get on 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.960 the same page about creating a multiracial, multi generational coalition 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.239 in order to fight back against fashion and Donald fucking 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.799 Trump and MAGA and Project twenty twenty five. That's what 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.120 our time should be used for, is to do what 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.040 it is that people in France did who came from 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:16.320 different ideological makeup, but they recognize the threat at hand 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:20.920 that Marie Le Penn and our far right party we're 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.280 going to have on France, and they did what needed 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.200 to be done, and then they can figure out how 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.200 to fucking govern. But we need to focus on how 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.000 to fucking win. And that's the problem that Democrats find 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.640 themselves in right now, is that they would rather spin 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.720 their wheels and have a bunch of wealthy, white powerful 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.480 men talk about overlooking the Vice President of the United 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.680 States and bolstering her up and go ahead and look 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:46.640 for another white man. 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:47.120 Folks. 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.360 We are not going to win that way, and I 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.920 don't understand why people can't get it through their heads. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.120 Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, our in 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:02.960 house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.320 we have the opportunity to chat with our in house doctor, 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:12.000 doctor Jonathan Metzil, we are always thrilled and pleased. And Jonathan, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.840 you are getting ready to take a big trip. You 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:21.760 are headed to Israel in a few days. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.839 Well, actually I'm leaving right before we speak today. I'm 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:27.760 leaving this afternoon. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:29.000 Oh you're leaving this afternoon. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:29.400 Oh my god. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.280 Okay, if our faithful viewers could see my apartment right now, 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.280 they would send they would send help. But now I'm 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.599 going to I'm going to England. First. I'm giving a 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.000 talk if anybody's out there in London on Sunday, I'm 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.719 speaking at the Sigmund Freud Museum in London on Sunday 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:53.480 about guns in America and elections, which is a pretty 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.200 interesting topic in the UK right now. And then I've 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:59.960 been doing work with Physicians for Human Rights Israel Power 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.200 STEGN for fifteen years and we've actually talked about it 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.480 on here and I don't know, this was a year 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.039 where I really have It's an intense time, right but 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.320 they asked me to come back and this, you know, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.400 I want to be somebody who comes back when things 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.239 are hard, not just when you know when they're easy. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.359 And so it's an incredible organization and a lot of 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.559 my Israeli colleagues are processing in the streets against everything 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.800 that's happening for a very very long time. And so 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.720 I'm going to go there for a week. I said, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.760 what do you want me to talk about? And these 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:38.279 are Israeli doctors basically, and Palestinian doctors and Bedouin doctors, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:41.880 and they said, we want to learn more about structural racism. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.279 So I'm going to Israel to lecture about structural racism, 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.479 which is something they feel like they really want to 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.840 know more about. And so it's just funny that, like 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.040 when you were not in a place like you see 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:52.640 it's one thing or the other thing, which it is 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.920 in a lot of ways, but also people are there 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.320 living their lives and still trying to do work that 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.160 is equitable and just across around the world. Then, you know, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.960 so I'm interested to see what I find. And I 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.719 think the other interesting thing about this trip is that 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.320 I'm going to interview a lot of people because Israel 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.640 is not that different from the United States. I mean, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.520 obviously all the other stuff aside, but in terms of 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.920 just the electorate, you know, they're probably forty five percent 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.680 of people are roughly liberal and fifty percent or conservative, 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.760 many more obviously very very religious Orthodox Jewish people there 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.559 a particular constituency. But I'm going to interview people about 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.960 what they were thinking in the lead up to when 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:36.880 Nittan Yaho got elected, because it just seems to be 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.559 like there were a lot of similar forces at play 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.560 as there are here. But if I can, I hope 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.560 to write a piece just about put everything aside if 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.919 you can, which is obviously hard for a lot of people, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.320 but just the question of like an electorate that feels 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.440 like this election is just another election, or our candidate 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.240 that Candaidate on the left was somebody nobody's really all 0:06:56.279 --> 0:07:00.960 excited about, but the implications the day after one really 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.400 changed life and death for people forever in a way. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.120 You know, I think it's one a couple of things 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:15.280 when you talk to them about structural racism, And obviously 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:19.640 structural racism looks different depending on the country that you're in, 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:25.360 depending on what ethnic racial groups, cultures you know you're discussing, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.000 and so what does the framing around that look like 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.320 given your lens in the United States, but also how 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:40.840 to I guess share that perspective with understanding the differences 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.920 that persist in Israel and Palestine are really about culture 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.880 and religion versus in the United States they are about 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.040 you know, race. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.440 So I've been learning and lecturing in the Middle East 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.400 about this for I think almost fifteen or twenty years now. 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.040 I go back every two years, and and that was 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:03.320 a learning experience for me. I mean, when we did 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.800 a lot of outreach in the West Bank, but also 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.680 in a lot of Druze villages in parts of Israel 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.040 and parts of Israel, so there are a lot of 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.280 I mean that's actually wor Alb's in some Bedouin areas 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:20.560 also on next Tuesday, And so the race categories are 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:22.960 just totally different in a way in a lot of 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.520 ways you know people here, which kind of drives you crazy. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.680 You spent a lot of time in the Middle East. 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:32.640 Everybody thinks it's like white Europeans and and they're all 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.080 came in and that kind of thing. But as people 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.200 I think now realize, like fifty five percent of israelis 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.319 probably more with you know, intermixing and stuff come from. 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:49.160 Yeahmen in Ethiopia and Iran and Egypt. So just Jewish Israelis, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.480 a lot of them would not identify as white because 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:58.800 ethnically they're actually closer to I mean their grandparents escaped 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:02.400 Egypt or or you know, Syria had a huge Jewish community. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.440 So there's a lot of just the categories here of 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:09.800 like dying of whiteness versus black politics. And it doesn't 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.319 mean anything there. I mean it does because they are 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.839 really interested in how to fix it. Now that being said, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.480 a lot of work that I've done there two things. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.280 One is they want to know about equity and social 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.840 justice work because there were terrible things that were done 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.959 to for example, Yemeni women who came over, who their 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.360 babies were taken, and you know, all these kind of 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.000 things happening like in the forties and fifties. I mean, actually, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.920 I encourage people that they're interested in this at all 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.840 to go on the Physicians for Human Rights Israel site. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.360 It's they've been anti occupation forever and you know a 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.760 lot of politics that are really inflected by the US. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.000 But this is a long way of saying, at least 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.640 there I'm going to be talking about structural competency, because 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.320 I think that's the framework that adapts, which is like, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.920 how can we build equity frameworks for health care delivery 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.720 and things like that, which is kind of what we 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.680 were doing when we were doing a lot of Israeli 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.720 Palestinian collaboration. That was the framework we were using. Also, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.600 we were in the West Bank a batch. Obviously that's 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.640 going to be a lot more difficult now. But I'm 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.880 curious to see what people what people say. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:17.960 I've said this before, I think to you, but I 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.720 definitely have wrote about it. When I went to Israel 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.160 and Paleston in twenty fifteen that as like a black 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:29.400 queer woman traveling there, I was it was almost startling 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.600 to me, like because I couldn't see the differences between 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.320 people on their face, like like like it was just 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.920 so shocking. I'm just like, how do you know who 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:43.200 to hate? Because it like a like and I say 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.720 that like jokingly, you know, but like honestly, because obviously 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.640 in America things are literally very black and white, right, 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:54.240 Like you know, I am a black person, and so 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.000 you know the history right that has me in this space. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.480 And so when I was looking at Israelis and I'm 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.199 looking at Palestinians, and I'm like, you all look alike 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.920 like cousins, you know, like family cousins. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.160 Like I don't understand it. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.960 And so just like again with this idea of teaching 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:21.560 about structural racism, their race, like their discrimination is based 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.520 in religion, right, it's based in religion, and who has 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.840 a right to the land of their people, et cetera. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.560 And so to me, it was just like it was 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.520 very wild to be and you know, to be in 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.200 a place. But I you know, similarly around the world 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.280 in places where there are unrest because of different tribal groups, 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.920 different religious groups and what have you, You're just like, how 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.880 how do you even know to like to hate this person? 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:49.080 It just doesn't make sense. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.240 And you know, the other interesting thing is that there 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:55.640 are over a million Israeli Palestinians and so who are 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.600 Palestinian Israeli citizens. And there are entire cities like in 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.560 the North where they're like all the government everything is 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.680 like totally mixed or has been like their model cities 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:09.040 where all the shit hasn't played out. No, I mean, 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:14.280 the thing is, well, first of all, these crisis moments 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.040 are incredibly good at getting us to hate each other. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:20.000 So there's just a whole tribalizing. I mean it's also 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.600 based in real things for sure, but it's also for me. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.960 You elect a government like Trump, or you elect a 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:31.280 government like Nintaanyahu, elect governments who like all these governments, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.880 they were like, you're in this tribe, and if you 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.079 go there the tribe, you're you're it's treason and we're 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.560 going to make you pay a price and all these 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.440 kind of things. And so I think that's part of it. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:39.880 Now in Israel, I don't want to get it too 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.440 much of a free pass. I mean in the forties, 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.400 like the Europeans who came fleeing Germany felt like they 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.080 were like high culture, doing the Viennese waltz and speaking 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.880 High German and stuff like that, and they then look 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.679 down in their nose that, you know, people who are 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.240 coming from Yemen who were not educated and all these 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:00.720 kind of things. So there are racial divides, is kind 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.440 of the so called Ashkenazi's Farti divide and kind of 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.160 Spanish Jews versus Eupeene juice. But the thing is that 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.120 was kind of in the fifties and as generations all 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:15.320 grew up together, largely, I mean, it's a socioeconomic divide 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.440 for in some places, but not you know, but it 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:21.400 breaks down every generation because people are all hooking up 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.200 and so so I think that's I think that's part 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.560 of it. But then again there are these historical narratives, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.320 obviously racial narratives, and then there's just like a lot 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.240 of death and killing in terms of the governments and 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.840 all these kind of things. I don't know, But for me, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.720 I don't know, it's just I just for every place, like, 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.360 why are we electing the worst people? 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.240 Well, I want to ask you this, you know, as 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.160 you get ready to leave and to go overseas today, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.400 we just saw the results as you mentioned in the UK, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.040 we saw the results in France, where the people in 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:03.040 both of those countries have beat back, have voted back 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:09.120 against far right authoritarianism. And so looking at that, as 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:13.600 you pay attention to geopolitical situations and elections and what 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.400 have you, what have you gleaned from those two elections. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.200 As the people are still in Israel calling for the 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.520 resignation of Netanyahu, which will not happen, or calling for 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.600 a new election, I don't know if that will happen. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.360 As we get closer and closer to our own election here. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.440 Well, I think three main things. First, I'm getting two 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:38.960 talks in the UK, and then I'm giving three kind 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.480 of talks. But a lot of community have reached stuff 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.880 in like they are categories of people in Israel who 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.360 don't fit into a lot of this. So I'm doing 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.640 some stuff as I was saying with Drews and bedouin 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.360 communities also in Israel. You know, I'm going to ask 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.040 everybody where I go. I'm going to have a slide 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.200 on my talk, what message do you have for the 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.480 United States? What have you learned from your experience? They 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.160 want to tell people in the United States who are 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.480 facing our own big election. I'm really curious what people 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.400 say and like, what have you learned? 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:09.440 That very interesting? 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.480 So I'm going to if I can do some research, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.280 I'm just going to say, email me if you want to. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.800 I'm going to be asking that question a lot. What 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:20.080 what have you learned my sets, especially from France, because 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:23.840 you know, the pen is really terrifying, but the pen 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.400 is like Project twenty twenty five. People like these are 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.680 people who have been in the opposition forever, but they've 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.880 also always been whackos, and now the idea is that 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.440 they're going to take over and control everybody's life, and 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.280 the power goes their head. Hint. I think the thing 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.920 with France is that people got together and they fought 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:43.920 it back by making compromise. Like there are a lot 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.480 of people in France who were running for political office 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.920 who then made all these deals and said, look, I 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.560 know I'm more senior than you, but I just think 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 the election itself is so important. It's not about me, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.400 It's about the election. Hint, hint. And so the party 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.160 really got unified and they made it really transparent and 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:01.880 they were like, we're all on the same team, and 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.880 here's what we're getting behind. And it's not the older people, 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:09.240 because younger people have different sensibility, sense of the economy, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.360 like in a way being linked to the elites. Who 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.600 poor Joe Biden. They're coming down on him so hard now, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.320 but the elites, you know. So I just think they 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.920 made a lot of really important strategic choices. 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:25.200 Yes, they made a coalition a force to go against 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.960 the far right. Like I mean to me, that is 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.480 how politics is supposed to work, where one the people 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.200 recognize the existential threat and then those leaders that are 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.080 in power say this is how we're going to rally, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.040 and you know, instead of being fractured, recognize that if 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.360 La Penn were to get in, this would undo who 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.280 France like. Who France is and has been for decades 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:52.400 upon decades of democracy. 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:56.080 And roughly the same in UK is different, but a 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.680 kind of process happened that ultimately. But do you know, man, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.800 I mean, I've hinted about this on this show for 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:07.119 two years, but this stuff with Biden just really infuriates me. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.120 I mean, I want us to do whatever's going to work. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.879 And I realize that I think you're still thinking he 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.920 should stay in, right because he has all the money 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:14.640 and stuff like that. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.000 No, it's not even like I don't think that he 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.280 should stay in because he has the money. I say 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.320 that he stays in because we have four months. And 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.159 I don't think that people understand the amount of work 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.439 and like seating that needs to happen in order to 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.040 interer it even like and first of all, the whole 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.639 conversation that is happening about floating other names outside of 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.560 the Vice President of the United States is already like 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.639 missage in Noir and like bullshit. So I won't entertain 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.080 any of that. But on its face, the whole conversation 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:49.199 is based in racism and sexism. She's the vice president 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.159 of the United States. If something were to happen to 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.920 Joe Biden, guess who becomes president. And so I think 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.440 that for me, he stays in because we have four 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:01.960 fucking months you wanted Joe Biden removed. That conversation should 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.720 have happened in twenty twenty, not four months before the 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.560 fucking election. So I don't care if he is weekend 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.760 at Bernie's. I don't care if he's in a fucking 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.600 hospice bed. Like people need to understand and rally around 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.639 that because we don't have the time for there to 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.240 be a quote unquote new person coming in. 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.440 It's it's sad because like our system is so inept, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.800 like oh yeah, I mean like in the Europe, you know, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.120 the whole election is seven weeks start to finish out, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.879 and so you'd think ideally, but I just I know 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.120 so many people who like, if Biden's a candidate, they're 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.840 not going to vote, you know, I just I so 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:42.199 many people, and it's just so I'm really torn because 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.600 wood rallying around Kamala hairs and then there's so many 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.680 good people you could pair with her that I think 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.760 we just get people excited again. And I'm just personally 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:55.320 mad because I feel lied to by a lot of 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.879 this Biden stuff. It feels a little bit cover up 0:18:57.920 --> 0:18:59.800 fish to me, which people have been telling me for 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.800 you years, like, oh, they're covering up all this medical stuff. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.639 And I was like, oh, I don't give crap, Like 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.960 I don't know, but it does seem like something about 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:12.240 that debate, man, it just feels like, yeah. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.919 I mean, look, the debate was terrible. It should have 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.439 never happened. If his team was at all concerned with 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:21.600 what his performance was going to be, they should have 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:23.760 pulled it. They should have pulled it and said that 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.760 he had COVID and like, unlike Donald Trump, we're not 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.200 going to put other people at risk, and that's what 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.359 you do. And that would have been its own narrative 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:34.719 and media cycle. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:36.320 But the fact that there has. 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.159 Been, to me a coordinated effort by all media outlets 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.680 to call for the resignation of Joe Biden. And yet 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.000 when Donald Trump received his guilty verdict, there was no 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:50.280 calling for him to drop out of the race. There 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.040 was no calling for like the fact that a convicted 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.879 criminal should not be the president of the United States, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.439 and how dangerous this is and what a precedent it's setting. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.679 There wasn't like an I for one am sick of it. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.480 And so also Donald Trump doesn't exhibit that he is 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.520 quote unquote all there either, right, but again there is 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.120 still no there's no coordination around trying to protect our democracy, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:16.960 but there is absolute coordination on trying to take down 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:17.600 Joe Biden. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.359 Well, I mean, for me, I've thought a lot about this. 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.320 I agree with everything you just said a lot, but 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.960 I would also say I don't care about whether or 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:30.959 not Trump is competent. I think Trump is incompetent, but 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.480 it doesn't matter to me really, because for me, the 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:37.520 question isn't comparent Biden and Trump. It's what it's the 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.840 narratives Democrats will tell themselves to get the coalition together, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.280 so Trump could be job of the Hut for all 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.159 I care. Media is in a lot of ways already, 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.560 but this story I do feel about Biden's competency and 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.840 whether he'll take a meeting now after six pm and 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.359 all these kind of things like it that's important for 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:58.439 Democrats independent of the coverage that Trump gets. I just 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.639 I think there's something about like what narrative do we 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.439 have to tell ourselves as Democrats to get back to 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.959 building because honestly, Trump voters aren't going to vote for 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.359 our side, but our coalition. If we hold together, you know, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.840 we win. But I don't know. I just it's just 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.280 there's so many missteps here. It's just it's I mean, 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.840 obviously we're going to mobilize around whoever the candidate is. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.800 I personally think, given everything, that's if they can pull 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.080 it off. I personally think a Harris somebody ticket would 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.679 be more exciting for people in a four month period 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.480 if they could mobilize the same networks and resources. I 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.199 don't know if that's possible. And I do think some 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.000 of these questions about could you do the job? I 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.600 think are valid questions right now. Now. It's infuriating that 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:45.040 these have been held from us for a long time 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:48.159 and everything matters about who wins the election. But I 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.200 don't know enough about this. I'd be curious to note 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.600 could we pull off like a Kamala Harris, And I 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.639 mean I love Andy Basheer as you know ticket or 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:00.760 something like that. You know, So I just want to 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:01.560