1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peepsend and welcome to ok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: In today's conversation, we sit. 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Down with our friend, our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: and we talk about a range of things that are 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: happening right now as it pertains to our democracy and 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: the erosion that is taking place, the crumbling that is happening. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: But as I turn on the microphone today, George Clooney 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: has decided that after putting together a fourteen million dollar 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,959 Speaker 1: fundraiser for Joe Biden, that he thinks that the smartest 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: thing to do is to come out and to say 12 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden should step aside, that he considers him 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: a friend, and he's a good president and was a 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: good vice president, but that it's time for him to 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: step aside. And what I've wanted to elevate in this 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden in step aside conversation is one the massagin 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: award that is taking place with the absolute just dismissal 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris, who is the Vice President of the 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: United States, and the fact that it is overwhelmingly rich, 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: white powerful men that are coming out calling for Biden 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: to resign to be replaced with a white man, as 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: if we don't already have a succession plan in place 23 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: in this country if something happens to the President of 24 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: the United States. What I recognize about this is that 25 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: these people who are coming out, overwhelmingly white men, who 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: are coming out and calling for Biden to step aside, 27 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: have nothing at risk. Their lives are not going to 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: be the ones that are upended because of a Trump regime. 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: They are not going to have to live under threat. 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: They are going to have the finances and the skin 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: tone to be able to fully and George Clin can 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: raise his kids on Lake fucking Como and the other 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: political punditry, white wealthy male class, they'll be fine, and 34 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: they'll probably just get lock and step with Donald Trump 35 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: in order to save their own asses. But it is 36 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: the rest of us, who are part of marginalized communities 37 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: who are the ones that are going to be in danger. 38 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: And so I'm not willing to fucking gamble with changing 39 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: a horse four months into the election. What I am 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: willing to do is something that John Stewart brought up 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: on The Daily Show, which is we need to bring 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: in everybody, the governors, you know, the House representatives, the senators, 43 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: the medio personalities and what have you, and get on 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: the same page about creating a multiracial, multi generational coalition 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: in order to fight back against fashion and Donald fucking 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: Trump and MAGA and Project twenty twenty five. That's what 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: our time should be used for, is to do what 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: it is that people in France did who came from 49 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: different ideological makeup, but they recognize the threat at hand 50 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: that Marie Le Penn and our far right party we're 51 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: going to have on France, and they did what needed 52 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: to be done, and then they can figure out how 53 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: to fucking govern. But we need to focus on how 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: to fucking win. And that's the problem that Democrats find 55 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: themselves in right now, is that they would rather spin 56 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: their wheels and have a bunch of wealthy, white powerful 57 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: men talk about overlooking the Vice President of the United 58 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: States and bolstering her up and go ahead and look 59 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: for another white man. 60 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: Folks. 61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: We are not going to win that way, and I 62 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: don't understand why people can't get it through their heads. 63 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: Coming up next, my conversation with our friend, our in 64 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, you know that whenever 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: we have the opportunity to chat with our in house doctor, 66 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzil, we are always thrilled and pleased. And Jonathan, 67 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: you are getting ready to take a big trip. You 68 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: are headed to Israel in a few days. 69 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: Well, actually I'm leaving right before we speak today. I'm 70 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: leaving this afternoon. 71 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Oh you're leaving this afternoon. 72 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 73 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: Okay, if our faithful viewers could see my apartment right now, 74 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: they would send they would send help. But now I'm 75 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: going to I'm going to England. First. I'm giving a 76 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: talk if anybody's out there in London on Sunday, I'm 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: speaking at the Sigmund Freud Museum in London on Sunday 78 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: about guns in America and elections, which is a pretty 79 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: interesting topic in the UK right now. And then I've 80 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: been doing work with Physicians for Human Rights Israel Power 81 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: STEGN for fifteen years and we've actually talked about it 82 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: on here and I don't know, this was a year 83 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 3: where I really have It's an intense time, right but 84 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: they asked me to come back and this, you know, 85 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: I want to be somebody who comes back when things 86 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 3: are hard, not just when you know when they're easy. 87 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: And so it's an incredible organization and a lot of 88 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 3: my Israeli colleagues are processing in the streets against everything 89 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: that's happening for a very very long time. And so 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: I'm going to go there for a week. I said, 91 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: what do you want me to talk about? And these 92 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: are Israeli doctors basically, and Palestinian doctors and Bedouin doctors, 93 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: and they said, we want to learn more about structural racism. 94 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: So I'm going to Israel to lecture about structural racism, 95 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: which is something they feel like they really want to 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 3: know more about. And so it's just funny that, like 97 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: when you were not in a place like you see 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: it's one thing or the other thing, which it is 99 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, but also people are there 100 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: living their lives and still trying to do work that 101 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: is equitable and just across around the world. Then, you know, 102 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 3: so I'm interested to see what I find. And I 103 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: think the other interesting thing about this trip is that 104 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to interview a lot of people because Israel 105 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: is not that different from the United States. I mean, 106 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: obviously all the other stuff aside, but in terms of 107 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: just the electorate, you know, they're probably forty five percent 108 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: of people are roughly liberal and fifty percent or conservative, 109 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: many more obviously very very religious Orthodox Jewish people there 110 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,559 Speaker 3: a particular constituency. But I'm going to interview people about 111 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: what they were thinking in the lead up to when 112 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: Nittan Yaho got elected, because it just seems to be 113 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,559 Speaker 3: like there were a lot of similar forces at play 114 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: as there are here. But if I can, I hope 115 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 3: to write a piece just about put everything aside if 116 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 3: you can, which is obviously hard for a lot of people, 117 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: but just the question of like an electorate that feels 118 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: like this election is just another election, or our candidate 119 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: that Candaidate on the left was somebody nobody's really all 120 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: excited about, but the implications the day after one really 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: changed life and death for people forever in a way. 122 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's one a couple of things 123 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: when you talk to them about structural racism, And obviously 124 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: structural racism looks different depending on the country that you're in, 125 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: depending on what ethnic racial groups, cultures you know you're discussing, 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: and so what does the framing around that look like 127 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: given your lens in the United States, but also how 128 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: to I guess share that perspective with understanding the differences 129 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: that persist in Israel and Palestine are really about culture 130 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: and religion versus in the United States they are about 131 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: you know, race. 132 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: So I've been learning and lecturing in the Middle East 133 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: about this for I think almost fifteen or twenty years now. 134 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: I go back every two years, and and that was 135 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 3: a learning experience for me. I mean, when we did 136 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: a lot of outreach in the West Bank, but also 137 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: in a lot of Druze villages in parts of Israel 138 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: and parts of Israel, so there are a lot of 139 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: I mean that's actually wor Alb's in some Bedouin areas 140 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: also on next Tuesday, And so the race categories are 141 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: just totally different in a way in a lot of 142 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: ways you know people here, which kind of drives you crazy. 143 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: You spent a lot of time in the Middle East. 144 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: Everybody thinks it's like white Europeans and and they're all 145 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: came in and that kind of thing. But as people 146 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: I think now realize, like fifty five percent of israelis 147 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: probably more with you know, intermixing and stuff come from. 148 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeahmen in Ethiopia and Iran and Egypt. So just Jewish Israelis, 149 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: a lot of them would not identify as white because 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: ethnically they're actually closer to I mean their grandparents escaped 151 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: Egypt or or you know, Syria had a huge Jewish community. 152 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of just the categories here of 153 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: like dying of whiteness versus black politics. And it doesn't 154 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 3: mean anything there. I mean it does because they are 155 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 3: really interested in how to fix it. Now that being said, 156 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: a lot of work that I've done there two things. 157 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: One is they want to know about equity and social 158 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: justice work because there were terrible things that were done 159 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: to for example, Yemeni women who came over, who their 160 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: babies were taken, and you know, all these kind of 161 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: things happening like in the forties and fifties. I mean, actually, 162 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: I encourage people that they're interested in this at all 163 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 3: to go on the Physicians for Human Rights Israel site. 164 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: It's they've been anti occupation forever and you know a 165 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: lot of politics that are really inflected by the US. 166 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: But this is a long way of saying, at least 167 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: there I'm going to be talking about structural competency, because 168 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: I think that's the framework that adapts, which is like, 169 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: how can we build equity frameworks for health care delivery 170 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: and things like that, which is kind of what we 171 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: were doing when we were doing a lot of Israeli 172 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: Palestinian collaboration. That was the framework we were using. Also, 173 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: we were in the West Bank a batch. Obviously that's 174 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: going to be a lot more difficult now. But I'm 175 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: curious to see what people what people say. 176 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: I've said this before, I think to you, but I 177 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: definitely have wrote about it. When I went to Israel 178 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: and Paleston in twenty fifteen that as like a black 179 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: queer woman traveling there, I was it was almost startling 180 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: to me, like because I couldn't see the differences between 181 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: people on their face, like like like it was just 182 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: so shocking. I'm just like, how do you know who 183 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: to hate? Because it like a like and I say 184 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: that like jokingly, you know, but like honestly, because obviously 185 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: in America things are literally very black and white, right, 186 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, I am a black person, and so 187 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: you know the history right that has me in this space. 188 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: And so when I was looking at Israelis and I'm 189 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: looking at Palestinians, and I'm like, you all look alike 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: like cousins, you know, like family cousins. 191 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: Like I don't understand it. 192 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: And so just like again with this idea of teaching 193 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: about structural racism, their race, like their discrimination is based 194 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: in religion, right, it's based in religion, and who has 195 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: a right to the land of their people, et cetera. 196 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: And so to me, it was just like it was 197 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: very wild to be and you know, to be in 198 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: a place. But I you know, similarly around the world 199 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: in places where there are unrest because of different tribal groups, 200 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: different religious groups and what have you, You're just like, how 201 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: how do you even know to like to hate this person? 202 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. 203 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: And you know, the other interesting thing is that there 204 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 3: are over a million Israeli Palestinians and so who are 205 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: Palestinian Israeli citizens. And there are entire cities like in 206 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: the North where they're like all the government everything is 207 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: like totally mixed or has been like their model cities 208 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 3: where all the shit hasn't played out. No, I mean, 209 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: the thing is, well, first of all, these crisis moments 210 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: are incredibly good at getting us to hate each other. 211 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: So there's just a whole tribalizing. I mean it's also 212 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: based in real things for sure, but it's also for me. 213 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 3: You elect a government like Trump, or you elect a 214 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: government like Nintaanyahu, elect governments who like all these governments, 215 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: they were like, you're in this tribe, and if you 216 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 3: go there the tribe, you're you're it's treason and we're 217 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: going to make you pay a price and all these 218 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 3: kind of things. And so I think that's part of it. 219 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: Now in Israel, I don't want to get it too 220 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: much of a free pass. I mean in the forties, 221 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: like the Europeans who came fleeing Germany felt like they 222 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: were like high culture, doing the Viennese waltz and speaking 223 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: High German and stuff like that, and they then look 224 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 3: down in their nose that, you know, people who are 225 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: coming from Yemen who were not educated and all these 226 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: kind of things. So there are racial divides, is kind 227 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: of the so called Ashkenazi's Farti divide and kind of 228 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 3: Spanish Jews versus Eupeene juice. But the thing is that 229 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: was kind of in the fifties and as generations all 230 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: grew up together, largely, I mean, it's a socioeconomic divide 231 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 3: for in some places, but not you know, but it 232 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: breaks down every generation because people are all hooking up 233 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: and so so I think that's I think that's part 234 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: of it. But then again there are these historical narratives, 235 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 3: obviously racial narratives, and then there's just like a lot 236 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: of death and killing in terms of the governments and 237 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 3: all these kind of things. I don't know, But for me, 238 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just I just for every place, like, 239 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: why are we electing the worst people? 240 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask you this, you know, as 241 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: you get ready to leave and to go overseas today, 242 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: we just saw the results as you mentioned in the UK, 243 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: we saw the results in France, where the people in 244 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: both of those countries have beat back, have voted back 245 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: against far right authoritarianism. And so looking at that, as 246 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: you pay attention to geopolitical situations and elections and what 247 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: have you, what have you gleaned from those two elections. 248 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: As the people are still in Israel calling for the 249 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: resignation of Netanyahu, which will not happen, or calling for 250 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: a new election, I don't know if that will happen. 251 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: As we get closer and closer to our own election here. 252 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 3: Well, I think three main things. First, I'm getting two 253 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: talks in the UK, and then I'm giving three kind 254 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: of talks. But a lot of community have reached stuff 255 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: in like they are categories of people in Israel who 256 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: don't fit into a lot of this. So I'm doing 257 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 3: some stuff as I was saying with Drews and bedouin 258 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: communities also in Israel. You know, I'm going to ask 259 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: everybody where I go. I'm going to have a slide 260 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: on my talk, what message do you have for the 261 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: United States? What have you learned from your experience? They 262 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: want to tell people in the United States who are 263 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: facing our own big election. I'm really curious what people 264 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: say and like, what have you learned? 265 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: That very interesting? 266 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: So I'm going to if I can do some research, 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: I'm just going to say, email me if you want to. 268 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to be asking that question a lot. What 269 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: what have you learned my sets, especially from France, because 270 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: you know, the pen is really terrifying, but the pen 271 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: is like Project twenty twenty five. People like these are 272 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: people who have been in the opposition forever, but they've 273 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: also always been whackos, and now the idea is that 274 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: they're going to take over and control everybody's life, and 275 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: the power goes their head. Hint. I think the thing 276 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: with France is that people got together and they fought 277 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: it back by making compromise. Like there are a lot 278 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: of people in France who were running for political office 279 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: who then made all these deals and said, look, I 280 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: know I'm more senior than you, but I just think 281 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: the election itself is so important. It's not about me, 282 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: It's about the election. Hint, hint. And so the party 283 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: really got unified and they made it really transparent and 284 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: they were like, we're all on the same team, and 285 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: here's what we're getting behind. And it's not the older people, 286 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: because younger people have different sensibility, sense of the economy, 287 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: like in a way being linked to the elites. Who 288 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: poor Joe Biden. They're coming down on him so hard now, 289 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 3: but the elites, you know. So I just think they 290 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: made a lot of really important strategic choices. 291 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: Yes, they made a coalition a force to go against 292 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: the far right. Like I mean to me, that is 293 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: how politics is supposed to work, where one the people 294 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: recognize the existential threat and then those leaders that are 295 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: in power say this is how we're going to rally, 296 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: and you know, instead of being fractured, recognize that if 297 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: La Penn were to get in, this would undo who 298 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: France like. Who France is and has been for decades 299 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: upon decades of democracy. 300 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: And roughly the same in UK is different, but a 301 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: kind of process happened that ultimately. But do you know, man, 302 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I've hinted about this on this show for 303 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 3: two years, but this stuff with Biden just really infuriates me. 304 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I want us to do whatever's going to work. 305 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: And I realize that I think you're still thinking he 306 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: should stay in, right because he has all the money 307 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. 308 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: No, it's not even like I don't think that he 309 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: should stay in because he has the money. I say 310 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: that he stays in because we have four months. And 311 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: I don't think that people understand the amount of work 312 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: and like seating that needs to happen in order to 313 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: interer it even like and first of all, the whole 314 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: conversation that is happening about floating other names outside of 315 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: the Vice President of the United States is already like 316 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: missage in Noir and like bullshit. So I won't entertain 317 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: any of that. But on its face, the whole conversation 318 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: is based in racism and sexism. She's the vice president 319 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: of the United States. If something were to happen to 320 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, guess who becomes president. And so I think 321 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: that for me, he stays in because we have four 322 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: fucking months you wanted Joe Biden removed. That conversation should 323 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: have happened in twenty twenty, not four months before the 324 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: fucking election. So I don't care if he is weekend 325 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: at Bernie's. I don't care if he's in a fucking 326 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: hospice bed. Like people need to understand and rally around 327 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: that because we don't have the time for there to 328 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: be a quote unquote new person coming in. 329 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: It's it's sad because like our system is so inept, 330 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: like oh yeah, I mean like in the Europe, you know, 331 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 3: the whole election is seven weeks start to finish out, 332 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: and so you'd think ideally, but I just I know 333 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 3: so many people who like, if Biden's a candidate, they're 334 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: not going to vote, you know, I just I so 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 3: many people, and it's just so I'm really torn because 336 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 3: wood rallying around Kamala hairs and then there's so many 337 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: good people you could pair with her that I think 338 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: we just get people excited again. And I'm just personally 339 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: mad because I feel lied to by a lot of 340 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: this Biden stuff. It feels a little bit cover up 341 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: fish to me, which people have been telling me for 342 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: you years, like, oh, they're covering up all this medical stuff. 343 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, I don't give crap, Like 344 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: I don't know, but it does seem like something about 345 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: that debate, man, it just feels like, yeah. 346 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the debate was terrible. It should have 347 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: never happened. If his team was at all concerned with 348 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: what his performance was going to be, they should have 349 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: pulled it. They should have pulled it and said that 350 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: he had COVID and like, unlike Donald Trump, we're not 351 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: going to put other people at risk, and that's what 352 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: you do. And that would have been its own narrative 353 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: and media cycle. 354 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: But the fact that there has. 355 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: Been, to me a coordinated effort by all media outlets 356 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: to call for the resignation of Joe Biden. And yet 357 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump received his guilty verdict, there was no 358 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: calling for him to drop out of the race. There 359 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: was no calling for like the fact that a convicted 360 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: criminal should not be the president of the United States, 361 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: and how dangerous this is and what a precedent it's setting. 362 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: There wasn't like an I for one am sick of it. 363 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: And so also Donald Trump doesn't exhibit that he is 364 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: quote unquote all there either, right, but again there is 365 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: still no there's no coordination around trying to protect our democracy, 366 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: but there is absolute coordination on trying to take down 367 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. 368 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, for me, I've thought a lot about this. 369 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 3: I agree with everything you just said a lot, but 370 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: I would also say I don't care about whether or 371 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 3: not Trump is competent. I think Trump is incompetent, but 372 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to me really, because for me, the 373 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 3: question isn't comparent Biden and Trump. It's what it's the 374 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: narratives Democrats will tell themselves to get the coalition together, 375 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: so Trump could be job of the Hut for all 376 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 3: I care. Media is in a lot of ways already, 377 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: but this story I do feel about Biden's competency and 378 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: whether he'll take a meeting now after six pm and 379 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: all these kind of things like it that's important for 380 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: Democrats independent of the coverage that Trump gets. I just 381 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: I think there's something about like what narrative do we 382 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: have to tell ourselves as Democrats to get back to 383 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 3: building because honestly, Trump voters aren't going to vote for 384 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: our side, but our coalition. If we hold together, you know, 385 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: we win. But I don't know. I just it's just 386 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 3: there's so many missteps here. It's just it's I mean, 387 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: obviously we're going to mobilize around whoever the candidate is. 388 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: I personally think, given everything, that's if they can pull 389 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: it off. I personally think a Harris somebody ticket would 390 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 3: be more exciting for people in a four month period 391 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: if they could mobilize the same networks and resources. I 392 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 3: don't know if that's possible. And I do think some 393 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: of these questions about could you do the job? I 394 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: think are valid questions right now. Now. It's infuriating that 395 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: these have been held from us for a long time 396 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: and everything matters about who wins the election. But I 397 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 3: don't know enough about this. I'd be curious to note 398 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: could we pull off like a Kamala Harris, And I 399 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 3: mean I love Andy Basheer as you know ticket or 400 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 3: something like that. You know, So I just want to 401 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: do where it takes to win. 402 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Everyone needs to be focused on. What I want to 403 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: see is the same loyalty and circling of the wagons 404 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: that Republicans can do for a convicted felon, for us 405 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: to do for Joe Biden for the next four months. 406 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: We need to get to inauguration day. We need to 407 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: get we need to win the election and get to 408 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: inauguration day. I don't care about what happens after that, 409 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: and I don't understand why that can't just happen like that. 410 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: The focus can't be on the existential threat that we're 411 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: in and just move in that direction for the next 412 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: four months. What happens after that, I don't care. 413 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 3: It's just really it's like the viewership of NMSNBC versus 414 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: the viewership of Fox News. Can you convince enough people 415 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: who don't already agree with what you just said, which 416 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 3: is me and you and all our friends who saw 417 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: Biden at that debate. Can you convince enough people who 418 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: are like swings it's really going to better swing state 419 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: undecided voters. That's really, you know, whatever a narrative convinces them, 420 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: I will go with that. The meetings are all happening 421 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 3: today as actually as we are talking about this right now, 422 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: so I'm curious to see. So the question will be 423 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: like how much damage did that? It wasn't just the debate. 424 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 3: It was the debate that kind of opened a flood 425 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: of frustration that people have been feeling gas lit. I think, 426 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: how much damage did that do to swing state voters? 427 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 3: And that'll be the poll and that I think that'll 428 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: be what happens. But I don't know. I just I 429 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: don't need Jill Biden yelling at me right now. 430 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: Fair point. 431 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: Well we will leave it there today, my friend. I 432 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: wish you safe, safe travels, keep in touch with us 433 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: while you are away, because I'm interested to know what 434 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: insight folks have for the United States and what their 435 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: thoughts are around their own issues of structural racism. 436 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've here. I actual, to be honest, 437 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: it was like take your breath away moment. I'm like, 438 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: do you want me to come talk about peace negotiations 439 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: or war something? And like the actually we want to 440 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: learn how we can be more racially equitdople. I don't know, 441 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: there was something about it. This was like the last 442 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: answer I thought. I'm like, oh, I'll come, you know, 443 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: I'll come and we'll see and again this group is 444 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: mixed in ways that are just it's you know, you 445 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: can't get a sense of what it's like from here 446 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: in that regard. You know, they're so anyway excited to 447 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 3: go and come back and talk to everybody about amazing. 448 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, dear friends on Woke 449 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: a f as always power to the people and to 450 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.