WEBVTT - Episode 2 - FINAL VERSION.mp3

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<v Speaker 1>Hm, take a lived here. It was like a minimum security.

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<v Speaker 2>David Letterman, an Indianapolis Natives, spent some time riffing on

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<v Speaker 2>his hometown during the dedication ceremony for Peyton Manning statue

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<v Speaker 2>outside Luke Soil Stadium a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Indianapol years ago, I said.

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<v Speaker 3>I go to Indiana Chicago.

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<v Speaker 4>We truly were napped out, and I draw the comparison

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<v Speaker 4>with Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Bill Benner, a longtime reporter for the Indianapolis Star

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<v Speaker 2>who now works for the Indiana Pacers. We spoke at

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<v Speaker 2>length about the history of Indianapolis, and you'll hear plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of our conversation on this podcast, But toward the end

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<v Speaker 2>of our chat, he brought up a point that drove

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<v Speaker 2>home just how important sports have been to the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of our city.

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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen sixty seven, Louisville and the Pacers both got

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<v Speaker 4>ABA franchises, but other than that, we were at one

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<v Speaker 4>event in town. They had the Kentucky Derby, We had

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<v Speaker 4>the Indy five hunder and they had UK and we

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<v Speaker 4>had IU. And by sustaining the Pacers and moving into

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<v Speaker 4>the NBA and then attracting the Colts and building the facilities.

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<v Speaker 4>We became Indianapolis the amateur sports capital of the world,

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<v Speaker 4>did all the downtown development along with that. Louisville didn't

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<v Speaker 4>sustain the colonels when they into the NBA, and it

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<v Speaker 4>took him forever to really get into downtown development. And

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<v Speaker 4>a big reason for that, the comparison to two cities

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<v Speaker 4>was the fact that we made the investments and and

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<v Speaker 4>made kept the Pacers here and built the facilities, and

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<v Speaker 4>Louisville didn't. And Louisville has yet to catch up, in

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<v Speaker 4>my humble opinion, but it's a it's a good comparison

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<v Speaker 4>of two cities that were very similar back in the

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<v Speaker 4>late sixties and how one did this and the other one?

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<v Speaker 2>Gaggle think about Indianapolis now as we know it, This

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<v Speaker 2>city still is known for the Indy five hundred.

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<v Speaker 5>He's making a book, No Pipe.

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<v Speaker 3>Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanted parlight and for its rich basketball tradition from

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<v Speaker 2>high school hoops to Hinklefield House to the Fever and

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacers.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome Indiana, Baca.

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<v Speaker 2>But Indianapolis is elevated not just on a local scale,

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<v Speaker 2>but a national scale and a worldwide scale. For one

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<v Speaker 2>big reason. Richardson can i take off on a quarterback drawl.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that ten he's at the foot untouched in

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<v Speaker 2>the end to.

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<v Speaker 6>Touchdown by ind why Anthony Richardson.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty years ago, a fleet of Mayflower moving vans arrived

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<v Speaker 2>in America's heartland, bringing the Colts to Indianapolis after thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one years in Baltimore. The Colts have now been in

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis for four decades, fair or not. Because Indianapolis has

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<v Speaker 2>the Colts, it's thought of as a major American city.

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<v Speaker 7>Louisville's a really full little city, but I call it little.

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<v Speaker 2>Debbie Knox began reporting and anchoring at WISH TV in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 8>Indianapolis now is I just seized as a major league

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<v Speaker 8>city because we've got this NFL franchise and we got

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<v Speaker 8>an eight basketball team as well, So that's that's a

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<v Speaker 8>very good comparison.

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<v Speaker 7>I've also heard us compared to Columbus, Ohio, but that's

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<v Speaker 7>where we could be today. We'd have the five hundred

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<v Speaker 7>and maybe we'd.

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<v Speaker 8>Have an NBA team, you know, and then what you

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<v Speaker 8>got to compete and you got God loved the risk takers,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, who have the vision and can see things

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<v Speaker 8>in how they could be and they they've got the

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<v Speaker 8>knowledge to look out at the horizon and see other

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<v Speaker 8>cities and what they're doing and how it's impacting.

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<v Speaker 7>The look at the NFL, it's a mass. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>just what a business.

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<v Speaker 2>Knox hits on something here. The Colts transformed and are

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<v Speaker 2>still transforming Indianapolis. How we feel about our city and

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<v Speaker 2>how we're perceived both nationally and internationally is unquestionably tied

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<v Speaker 2>to having our pro football team. But the story of

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<v Speaker 2>how the Colts got here isn't exactly straightforward. It took

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<v Speaker 2>two mayors sticking their political necks out to use sports

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<v Speaker 2>to develop a mid sized Midwestern metropolis downtown. It took

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<v Speaker 2>a Jerry Lewis style telethon to save the city's pro

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<v Speaker 2>basketball team, and it took building a state of the

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<v Speaker 2>art sixty thousand seat stadium despite not having a tenant

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<v Speaker 2>to even get Indianapolis a lottery ticket to become an

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<v Speaker 2>NFL city. And then it took a cascade of serendipitous

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<v Speaker 2>events and a bit of good fortune for those Mayflower

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<v Speaker 2>trucks to roll into Indianapolis on March twenty ninth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four, carrying in them an NFL team. This is

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<v Speaker 2>episode two of the Move Indianapolis. Indianapolis was established in

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<v Speaker 2>the eighteen hundreds, but our story begins in the late

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties. Richard Lueger was elected mayor of Indianapolis in

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<v Speaker 2>November of nineteen sixty seven, and he took office with

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<v Speaker 2>an ambitious vision for the circle city. His plan was

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<v Speaker 2>called Unigov, and Luger wanted to merge the governments of

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis and Marion County into one single municipal government. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>that meant ten suburban towns were absorbed into that singular government,

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<v Speaker 2>which boosted the population of Indianapolis to nearly seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty thousand residents by nineteen seventy. Luger, who died

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty nineteen, recalled the goal and impact of Yunigov

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<v Speaker 2>during a press conference in twenty fourteen in.

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<v Speaker 9>Annapolis and through the Unigov experience, because we really did

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<v Speaker 9>have a desire for greatness, for a city that was

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<v Speaker 9>well beyond anything we had ever seen before in terms

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<v Speaker 9>of our imagination.

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<v Speaker 8>Of what could occur now.

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<v Speaker 3>Not everybody feared that.

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<v Speaker 9>Some people provedly satisfied with life as it was, but

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<v Speaker 9>ultimately a majority of people. We're very excited about being

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<v Speaker 9>the best or vying to be the best.

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<v Speaker 2>While UNIGOV was not met with universal praise, it did

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<v Speaker 2>set Indianapolis down a different path as a city.

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<v Speaker 10>UNIGOV was the most significant municipal government reform in the

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<v Speaker 10>United States in the last hundred years that was not

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<v Speaker 10>inspired by corruption or bad behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Morris was Luger's deputy mayor until nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's one of the key players in the growth

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<v Speaker 2>of Indianapolis over the last fifty years.

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<v Speaker 10>So when UNIGOV took place, overnight, Annapolis went from being

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<v Speaker 10>in terms of population, went from being the thirtieth largest

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<v Speaker 10>city in America to the ninth largest city. And now

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<v Speaker 10>it was a bit of a fiction, but we went

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<v Speaker 10>from eighty square miles to four hundred and two square miles.

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<v Speaker 10>We became the ninth largest city in America between Baltimore

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<v Speaker 10>and San Diego. So suddenly, when a list of the

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<v Speaker 10>top ten cities was published in the Almanac or any publication,

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<v Speaker 10>Indianapolis was on that list.

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<v Speaker 2>After Yunikov, Luger, Morris, and the local government set their

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<v Speaker 2>sites on revitalizing and growing downtown Indianapolis, even with adding

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<v Speaker 2>all those outlying Marion County communities and neighborhoods, Luger's administration

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<v Speaker 2>understood downtown was the one area of the city everybody

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<v Speaker 2>could use. It was the center of a vibrant city's

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<v Speaker 2>tax base, and it could be the engine for the

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<v Speaker 2>growth of an entire city. And one of the major

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<v Speaker 2>catalysts for setting Indianapolis on that upward trajectory was its

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<v Speaker 2>pro basketball team, the Indiana Pacers.

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<v Speaker 5>A second point year had a third time his Hobby

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<v Speaker 5>Leonard five year tenure. The Indiana Pacers not won it.

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<v Speaker 2>The same year Luger was elected mayor, the Indiana Pacers

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<v Speaker 2>began playing as a charter member of the American Basketball Association,

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<v Speaker 2>that old upstar challenger to the NBA with its trademark Red, White,

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<v Speaker 2>and Blue Basketball. The Pacers dominated the early years of

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<v Speaker 2>the ABA, winning three championships in the league's first six

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<v Speaker 2>years of existence. But the Pacers played at the Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>State Fairgrounds Coliseum, a small arena located on thirty eighth

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<v Speaker 2>Street north of downtown. That's where not only the Pacers played,

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<v Speaker 2>but most events that came through Indianapolis took place.

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<v Speaker 11>The coliseum was big, but downtown not quite so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Batis is a local native and a long time

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis radio host.

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<v Speaker 11>It was a little sleepier, not as much going on downtown,

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<v Speaker 11>but there were still lots going on, and the Pacers

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<v Speaker 11>were a big part of that. But back then I

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<v Speaker 11>used to go to their games at the Coliseum. As

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<v Speaker 11>a matter of fact, the very first concert I ever

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<v Speaker 11>went to I think I was fourteen, and it was

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<v Speaker 11>at the Coliseum and it was the Jackson Five and

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<v Speaker 11>their opening act were the Commodoors.

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<v Speaker 2>Around the same time as the Pacers were thriving, though,

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<v Speaker 2>the Indiana High School Basketball Tournament moved from Butler's hinklefield

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<v Speaker 2>House in Indianapolis to i Use Assembly Hall about an

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<v Speaker 2>hour south in Bloomington. Ticket demand had outgrown hinklefield House's capacity,

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<v Speaker 2>and for the nineteen seventy one seventy two season, the

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<v Speaker 2>tournament left Indianapolis and Luger, he just like about everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else in this state, was a huge basketball fan. He

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to build a proper venue not only to house

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacers, but to bring the state's fabled high school

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<v Speaker 2>basketball tournament back to Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 4>When the idea of an Arena was in the sleep flow.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people wanted to put it out off of I

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<v Speaker 4>sixty fivener where Lafayette Square is today, and that's when

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<v Speaker 4>Dick Licker said, no, no, no, If we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>do this, it has to be downtown because it has

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<v Speaker 4>to be that catalyst for future downtown development.

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<v Speaker 2>Luger got his way on October twentieth, nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 2>with a nine figure contribution from the city, ground was

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<v Speaker 2>broken on a sixteen thousand seat arena on Market Street

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<v Speaker 2>in downtown Indianapolis. Three years later, Market Square Arena opened

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<v Speaker 2>its doors as one of the largest arenas of its

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<v Speaker 2>kind in the United States, and it gave Indianapolis its

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<v Speaker 2>first top tier venue for sports, concerts, and events, and

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<v Speaker 2>it gave folks a reason to be in downtown Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 4>Dick Licker was the first one to recognize that downtown

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<v Speaker 4>needed to be far more vibrant than it was. Quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>we only had two or three restaurants people At five o'clock,

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<v Speaker 4>downtown shut down and people scattered to their homes in

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<v Speaker 4>the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 2>From nineteen seventy four, when Market Square Arena opened through

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty six, more than one point six billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>were poured into downtown construction projects in Indianapolis. According to

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<v Speaker 2>a nineteen eighty six article in the Los Angeles Times,

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<v Speaker 2>office buildings, hotels, restaurants, and shops sprung up. The one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty thousand square foot Indiana Convention Center was

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<v Speaker 2>also completed in nineteen seventy two, and that's another key

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<v Speaker 2>part of the vision for Indianapolis. Market Square Arena would

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<v Speaker 2>host Elvis Presley's final concert in nineteen seventy seven, and

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy eight, the owner of Indianapolis's professional hockey team,

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<v Speaker 2>the Racers, who also played at Market Square Arena, made

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<v Speaker 2>an audacious move. For a remarkable fee at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of one point seventy five million dollars, he signed the

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<v Speaker 2>top junior player in Canada, a seventeen year old by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky played eight games for

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<v Speaker 2>the Indianapolis and he took classes at Broad Ripple High

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<v Speaker 2>School before the team's financial situation led him to be

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<v Speaker 2>sold to the Edmonton Oilers. But all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>downtown Indianapolis was a destination for locals and out of

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<v Speaker 2>towners alike, and for a city previously known for just

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<v Speaker 2>its five hundred mile race, it was fitting that the

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<v Speaker 2>government and business community's vision to build around sports was

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<v Speaker 2>at the center of those efforts.

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<v Speaker 4>It was controversial, people said, and why are you throwing

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<v Speaker 4>tax bunny public subsidies at this basketball arena? But it

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<v Speaker 4>turned out to be the first domino to fall the

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<v Speaker 4>redevelopment of downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>But the progress Indianapolis made after building Market Square Arena

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<v Speaker 2>was not guaranteed. The Pacers had to sustain the success

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<v Speaker 2>they had at the State Fairgrounds after moving downtown. Under

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<v Speaker 2>legendary head coach Slick Leonard, the Pacers made the ABA

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<v Speaker 2>Finals in their first year at Marcus Square Arena. But

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacers, a few months after moved into their brand

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<v Speaker 2>new digs, were in deep financial trouble. They asked the

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<v Speaker 2>ABA for a financial assistance just after Christmas in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy four, and though ownership vowed to keep the team

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<v Speaker 2>in Indianapolis, not even half a year after setting up

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<v Speaker 2>shop at Market Square Arena, there were already rumors the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers may skip town. Still, two years later, the Indiana

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers made the Big show.

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<v Speaker 3>Four teams will be absorbed into the NBA next year.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the league will terminate operations exactly.

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<v Speaker 12>You know it.

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<v Speaker 6>Wait, wait, what did you say?

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<v Speaker 4>The Nets, the Spurs, the Pacers, and the Nuggets are

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<v Speaker 4>going to play in the NBA next season.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of us are going to dissolve.

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<v Speaker 2>The terms of the ABA's merger with the NBA, though,

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<v Speaker 2>were not favorable to those four teams. The NBA tree

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<v Speaker 2>to the Pacers like an expansion team, meaning they had

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<v Speaker 2>to pay the league's expansion fee of three point two

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars, which back then was quite a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>money to put up. The Pacers were also not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to participate in the nineteen seventy six NBA Draft, and

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<v Speaker 2>for the first few years in the NBA, they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>even allowed to share in the league's TV revenue. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacers were Indiana's pro basketball team. They moved to

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA maybe with a little help from the Chicago Bulls,

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<v Speaker 2>made sense both locally and nationally.

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<v Speaker 4>They were very, very popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Benner began covering the Pacers for the Indianapolis Star

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy four, their first season at Market Square Arena, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Then once they went into the NBA, George McGinnis left

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<v Speaker 4>for the seventy six ers. Roger Brown got old, Bell

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<v Speaker 4>Daniels got old, and so they As they were moving

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<v Speaker 4>into the NBA, the roster changed. They weren't successful, and

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<v Speaker 4>crowds dwindled and they became less popular. You know, we

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<v Speaker 4>all love a winner. And because of the financial hardships

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<v Speaker 4>that the ownership as encountering, it was difficult to attract

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<v Speaker 4>talent to the early NBA Pacers.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pacers went thirty six and forty six in their

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<v Speaker 2>first year the NBA, and their financial realities began to

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<v Speaker 2>set in for the team's ownership. The top players from

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<v Speaker 2>their ABA days were one by one sold off. Rumors

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<v Speaker 2>the team would pick up and leave for greener financial

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<v Speaker 2>pastures began to pick up steam Arena Sports. A group

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<v Speaker 2>of local investors who owned the Pacers made it known

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<v Speaker 2>that without an influx of cash, they would either have

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<v Speaker 2>to move the team or sell the team with no

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee the new owner would keep the Pacers in Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the Pacers ownership group didn't even have enough

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<v Speaker 2>money to meet payroll. In the summer of nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 2>the Indiana Pacers were on the verge of collapse. And

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<v Speaker 2>this wasn't just a threat that the city would lose

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<v Speaker 2>its basketball team. The threat was that if the Pacers left,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the downtown momentum created by Mayor Luger

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<v Speaker 2>that new Mayor Bill Hudnutt hoped to push forward would

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<v Speaker 2>be halted.

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<v Speaker 4>The Pacers after they moved into Marcus Square Arena, they

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<v Speaker 4>struggled when they moved into the NBA, and they had

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<v Speaker 4>to have a telethon to sustain support for the franchise.

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<v Speaker 2>With their sources for money dried up, the Pacers were

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<v Speaker 2>all but out of options. Nancy Leonard, the team's general

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<v Speaker 2>manager and the wife of coach Slick Leonard, proposed a

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<v Speaker 2>last ditch option, a Jerry Lewis style telethon with the

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<v Speaker 2>goal of selling eight thousand season tickets, which would give

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<v Speaker 2>the team the influx of cash it needed to stay afloat.

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<v Speaker 2>The telethon was called, in stark terms, the Save the

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers Telethon. As Benner wrote in the Indianapolis Star on

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<v Speaker 2>July third, nineteen seventy seven, quote, either they sell eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand season tickets and survive, or they don't. This was

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<v Speaker 2>quite literally a doer die moment for the Pacers, and

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<v Speaker 2>in reality, it was a doer die moment for professional

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<v Speaker 2>sports in the city of Indianapolis. Miraculously it worked. Nancy

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard grabbed the mic with tears in her eyes just

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<v Speaker 2>as the clock was about to strike midnight on the

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana Pacers. They were at eight twenty eight tickets sold.

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<v Speaker 2>The Pacers were saved. They would stay in Indianapolis for now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the importance of that moment, when the Pacers were

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<v Speaker 2>financially viable enough to stay in Indianapolis should not be

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<v Speaker 2>lost on anyone who knows what the city is like today.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pacers were really the hub.

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<v Speaker 11>They had great success, right ABA championship, beloved players. If

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<v Speaker 11>that would have happened, I don't know that you build

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<v Speaker 11>the convention business that you have built, and the hotels

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<v Speaker 11>and the restaurants and all that sort of thing, the jobs, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 11>that was mado.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it. If Indianapolis, the biggest city in the

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<v Speaker 2>most hoops crazy state in the Union, couldn't support its

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<v Speaker 2>pro basketball team, how the hell could it support anything

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<v Speaker 2>else when it comes to professional sports.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this very very possible, if not likely, that

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<v Speaker 4>had the Pacers ended up moving, that the public would

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<v Speaker 4>have shipped their ahead and said no to further investment

0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.520
<v Speaker 4>in sport. That would that was a big, big thing

0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.920
<v Speaker 4>that occurred that kind of cleared the way for the

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<v Speaker 4>Colts still eventually come here.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumors would still persist about the pacers potential to skip town, though.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy nine, that local group of investors who

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<v Speaker 2>owned the team sold the Pacers to Sam Nassy, a

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<v Speaker 2>Beverly Hills businessman who had close ties to doctor Jerry Buss,

0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the architect of the showtime Los Angeles Lakers. Nassy pledged

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the Pacers in Indianapolis, touting a ten year

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<v Speaker 2>agreement to play at Market Square Arena upon buying the

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<v Speaker 2>team that year, But in the early nineteen eighties, chatter

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<v Speaker 2>persisted that the California based Nassy had his eyes on

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<v Speaker 2>getting out of Indianapolis and turning the franchise into the

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<v Speaker 2>Sacramento Pacers, and there.

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<v Speaker 4>Was a lot of speculation that Sam Nassy wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>move the Indiana Pacers to the West coast, Sacramento, San Diego,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe another team in LA who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Nassy made clear his intention to sell the Pacers in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen eighties, but Indianapolis was not a community

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<v Speaker 2>stocked with multimillionaires willing to own a major professional sports franchise.

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<v Speaker 2>The threat of an outside investor buying the Pacers and

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<v Speaker 2>ripping them out of downtown Indianapolis was very real. At

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<v Speaker 2>the eleventh hour, though, two brothers and shopping mall magnets

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<v Speaker 2>stepped in to purchase the Pacers in nineteen eighty three,

0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Herb and Mel Simon. They were Indianapolis natives, and they

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<v Speaker 2>bought the Pacers more out of civic pride than anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Without the Simon brothers, Indianapolis could have lost the Pacers,

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<v Speaker 2>and without the Pacers, would Indianapolis even have had a

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<v Speaker 2>shot at luring the Colts from Baltimore. Mike Chappel, in

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis native and the dean of the Colts Speed, has

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<v Speaker 2>covered every minute of the team since they arrived in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen four, and he pondered that very same question.

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<v Speaker 13>Had the Pacers left, I mean, I can't imagine what

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<v Speaker 13>the city would have done. Would they have been able

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<v Speaker 13>to get up an NFL franchise, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The Indiana Pacers were absolutely a central figure in bringing

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<v Speaker 2>professional football to Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we had the Pacers. They were successful.

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<v Speaker 10>They had been successful in the ABA, and I think

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<v Speaker 10>the success of the Pacers sort of helped the community

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<v Speaker 10>think that an NFL football team was a possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're just one part of this story. Toward the

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<v Speaker 2>end of his second term as mayor, Richard Lueger announced

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<v Speaker 2>he'd run for a US Senate seat in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six election. He won that race, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>and he represented Indiana in the Senate all the way

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<v Speaker 2>until twenty thirty. That left a decision for Indianapolis voters

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventy five mayoral election between Robert Welch

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<v Speaker 2>and Bill Hudnutt, the six foot sixth former pastor at

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<v Speaker 2>Second Presbyterian Church at seventy seven hundred North Meridian Street.

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<v Speaker 2>Hudnut's vision for the city was not only aligned with Lugers,

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<v Speaker 2>he was even more ambitious. He prevailed, defeating Welch by

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<v Speaker 2>a margin of about twelve thousand votes. Welch was himself

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<v Speaker 2>on board with Indianapolis using sports to revitalize its downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get back to him later. Hudnutt, though, saw an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for Indianapolis to put itself on the map nationally

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<v Speaker 2>outside of one weekend in May for the Indy five hundred.

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<v Speaker 8>He was really a visionary, you know. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 8>had heard enough of indian ill place and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>with a sleepy downtown, he wanted to push the city forward.

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<v Speaker 11>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill Hudnut's great line was, you can't be a suburb

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<v Speaker 4>of nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>With the Pacers stability insured. In nineteen seventy seven, Hudnut,

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<v Speaker 2>in tandem with the local government and business community, turned

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis as attention to the city's next step in building

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<v Speaker 2>around sports. In nineteen seventy eight, Congress passed the Amateur

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<v Speaker 2>Sports Act, which created the US Olympic Committee. The US

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Olympic Committee then was able to charter national governing bodies

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<v Speaker 2>for each sport, such as USA Track and Field and

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<v Speaker 2>USA Swimming, and Indianapolis saw an opportunity to become a

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<v Speaker 2>destination for those sports specific governing bodies.

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<v Speaker 4>The Amateur Sports Act, which was kind of the impetus

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<v Speaker 4>for this, was pasted, and shortly thereafter this group of

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<v Speaker 4>community leaders formed the Indiana Sports Corporation nonprofit with the

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<v Speaker 4>mission of attracting both sports feder amateur sports federations and

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<v Speaker 4>amateur sports competitions, national championships, you'd have it.

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<v Speaker 2>But just because Indianapolis wanted to become a destination for

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<v Speaker 2>amateur sports governing bodies and tournaments didn't guarantee that vision

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<v Speaker 2>would come to life. The city had to construct state

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<v Speaker 2>of the art facilities to become as as that desired,

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<v Speaker 2>the amateur sports capital of the world.

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<v Speaker 4>They also had again to invest in facilities, and so

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<v Speaker 4>they built the Auditorium, They built the Michael Carroll Track

0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 4>and Field stateum at Iupoi. They built a velodrome off

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<v Speaker 4>of thirty eighth in cold Spring. They turned Eagle Creek

0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 4>into a world class rowing course.

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<v Speaker 2>The investment on those facilities culminated with Indianapolis hosting the

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<v Speaker 2>US National Olympic Festival, a showcase tournament for athletes between

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<v Speaker 2>summer Olympics years, in nineteen eighty two. Later, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven, Indianapolis hosted the Pan American Games, becoming just

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<v Speaker 2>the second US city to host the tournament, along with

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago in nineteen fifty nine. Nowadays, Indianapolis is home base

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 2>for several major amateur sports governing bodies like USA Gymnastics,

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>USA Track and Field, USA Diving, and the NCAA Lucas

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Oil Stadium even hosted the US Swimming Trials this year.

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<v Speaker 2>But at some point, as Hudnut and the movers and

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<v Speaker 2>shakers in Indianapolis were eyeing becoming the amateur sports capital

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<v Speaker 2>of the world, a greater ambition took hold. How about we,

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis take the momentum we've created by investing in sports

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<v Speaker 2>and become an NFL city.

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<v Speaker 13>You could just see it was on an upper course

0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 13>because they had people back then, the David Fricks and

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<v Speaker 13>mayorhad net that they realized that the drawing power and

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<v Speaker 13>again the national clout that that sports can give can

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<v Speaker 13>give a city, can give an area community.

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<v Speaker 2>In the late nineteen seventies, Indianapolis had plenty of football fans.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just fans primarily of the Cincinnati Bengals, who

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<v Speaker 2>played two hours to the southeast, or the Chicago Bears,

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.200
<v Speaker 2>who played three hours to the northwest. It was similar

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<v Speaker 2>to the mix of Reds and Cubs fans the city

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<v Speaker 2>still has.

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<v Speaker 13>To this day.

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<v Speaker 11>There was a climber for people wanted it that this

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<v Speaker 11>was a football town, just didn't have a football team.

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<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis was known to the NFL back then too. Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Welch who lost the nineteen seventy five mayoral election to

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Hudnutt, was on then bistioner Pete Rosell's radar by

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<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen seventies. The Indianapolis Star reported in April

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen seventy eight that Welch, along with a handful

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 2>of other businessmen, were in contact with the NFL. Sources

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 2>told the Star that if a stadium were built in Indianapolis,

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<v Speaker 2>the chances the city would get an NFL franchise would

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<v Speaker 2>be very good, and quote a bubbletop stadium would make

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<v Speaker 2>them nearly one hundred percent. In May nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>Welch hosted several NFL owners, team presidents, and general managers

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<v Speaker 2>at the Indy five hundred. Among the league's dignitaries were

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<v Speaker 2>the Chicago Bears George Hallis and the Dallas Cowboys Tech Shram,

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>both of whom rode in the pre race celebrity parade

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 2>around the track. Shram told The Indie Star after the race,

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<v Speaker 2>quote Indianapolis certainly exhibits all the ingredients for an NFL

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.359
<v Speaker 2>franchise city. It's a great sports town with great leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>But those ingredients had to come together in the form

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<v Speaker 2>of a new stadium. Indianapolis in nineteen seventy eight didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything close to the kind of venue required to

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<v Speaker 2>house an NFL team, and.

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<v Speaker 4>You had to make the investment. You couldn't have him playing.

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Butler bull rubbing elbows and making grand promises with some

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<v Speaker 2>of the NFL's most influential decision makers. Was not going

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>to get Indianapolis an NFL team. More importantly, for Indianapolis

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to build a stadium that could attract a franchise, someone

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<v Speaker 2>or Someone's had to secure the funding. That meant getting

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<v Speaker 2>some money from private investors, of course, but it also

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>meant needing funding from the two words every citizen and

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<v Speaker 2>politician dreads, new taxes. And this is where the stories

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<v Speaker 2>of the Indiana Pacers and Bill Hudnut's vision for the

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>city converged to create an environment where the city of

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis could build a domed stadium without any guarantee of

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>having an NFL tenant. Hudnut in nineteen seventy nine was

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<v Speaker 2>re elected in a landslide, winning just under seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the vote to earn a second term as

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<v Speaker 2>mayor of Indianapolis, with the city not only supporting its

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>low own top flight sports team, the Pacers, but also

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 2>its mayor. Hudnutt embarked on his most aggressive initiative as mayor, and.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm elected to the second term in nineteen seventy nine.

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Hudnutt, who died in twenty sixteen, did an interview in

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen with WFYI, Indianapolis's NPR and PBS station.

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<v Speaker 6>Right after that election, I convened a small group of people,

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 6>movers and shaker types from the Chamber of Commerce basically

0:27:27.680 --> 0:27:31.200
<v Speaker 6>and said we're on We're on a trail for a

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 6>football team, and in order to do that, we've got

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 6>to get a stadium. And in order to get a stadium,

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 6>we've got to get the money.

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 2>After directing investments into facilities with the goal of making

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis the amateur sports capital of the world, Hudnutt turned

0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>his sites to building another world class facility, a sixty

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>thousand seat domed stadium built as an extension of the

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Indiana Convention Center, but really as a way to attract

0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:00.400
<v Speaker 2>an NFL franchise. The plan was not universally well received.

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Debbie Knox, the longtime Indianapolis news reporter for WISH TV,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 2>arrived in nineteen eighty, right as the plan to build

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:07.959
<v Speaker 2>a Hoosier Dome was being hatched.

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.399
<v Speaker 7>When they first started talked about building the dome and

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 7>and all that sort of thing, and you're.

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.920
<v Speaker 8>Kind of like, yeah, right, okay, you don't have a team.

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 7>Really, you know, what's this going to look like.

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 8>There was some resistance to that because it was going

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 8>to cost money and people were going to have to contribute,

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 8>you know, tax dollars and things like that.

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:27.719
<v Speaker 2>So here's what Hudnut and the movers and shakers were

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>up against. They wanted to build a stadium using public money,

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.959
<v Speaker 2>with the goal, but not the guarantee, of attracting an

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>NFL team. Imagine if Indianapolis never wound up getting the

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Colts and then got passed over when the NFL expanded

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five, the Hoosier Dome would have hosted stuff.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah's sure, but it would have been a political disaster

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>for Hudnut team.

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<v Speaker 6>Of course, if we hadn't gotten a team, this was

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 6>the big risk for me politically. It would have been

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 6>Hudnut's white elephant and what an idiot spending eighty million

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 6>dollars of taxpayer money, which was not true, in order

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 6>to build a giant taj Mahal where nobody was doing anything.

0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 6>As we used to say at the time, I didn't

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 6>think about the political risk too much then because I

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 6>thought it was just a great idea and no guts,

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 6>no glory.

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 2>The plan was hatched to fund the stadium through an

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>eight figure donation from the Lilliandowment, as well as five

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>million dollars from the Kranart Foundation, and crucially, a one

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 2>percent tax on food and beverages sold in Marion County.

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Think back to the early days of the Luger administration

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>before UNIGOV, when downtown Indianapolis had just a couple of restaurants.

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen years later, the investment in downtown, headlined by Market

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Square Arena and the Convention Center, led to restaurants and

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:52.040
<v Speaker 2>bars opening up all over downtown Indianapolis. Those establishments then

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 2>could become a vehicle for the city's most ambitious downtown project.

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 4>Yet we had a reason to come downtown again. There

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 4>was activity downtown, and with the building of Market Square Arena,

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 4>guess what happened. People were coming downtown for concerts and

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 4>patience games and the rodeo and hockey, and they needed

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.719
<v Speaker 4>a place to eat, and suddenly we had restaurants.

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 2>The city was able to raise the requisite funds about

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 2>eighty million dollars, and in the spring of nineteen eighty

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 2>two broke ground on construction of the Hoosier Dome. Crucially,

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the Hoosier Dome would be located in downtown Indianapolis, just

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>like Market Square Arena and the Convention Center, and not

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>in some farmland out by the IFO sixty five loop.

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 2>At a time when plenty of professional sports teams and

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 2>major American cities were eyeing expansive stadium locations outside their

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>city center, Indianapolis squeezed their dome into a parcel of

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>land between the existing Convention Center to the west and

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>north and train tracks to the south.

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 11>Mayor hut Nut and the movers and shakers were very

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 11>smart by getting the state eump downtown. It would have

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.920
<v Speaker 11>been so much different if they would moved it like

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 11>many other cities forty five minutes away or thirty minutes away.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 11>By putting it downtown and betting on the comm that

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 11>something was going to happen, really, without that forethought, I

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 11>don't know if any of this happened.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>And by connecting the Hoosier Dome to the Convention Center.

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Hudnutt was able to pitch the stadium not just as

0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 2>a destination for the NFL, but as a way for

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis to attract bigger conventions, bigger events, and ultimately more

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 2>people to its rapidly growing downtown.

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 6>And at the end of the day, we'd raised eighty

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 6>million dollars. So we embarked on an eighty million dollar

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 6>project not as a freestanding facility out in the cornfields,

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 6>but as an expansion of the convention Center, and we

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.479
<v Speaker 6>were able to book a lot of new convention business

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 6>in and enhance our competitive position there. Regardless of whether

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 6>we've gotten the team.

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Hudnut in the business community were always confident they would

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>be able to get an NFL team. The expectation was

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>the NFL would view Indianapolis as an ideal destination for

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 2>an expansion franchise. Late in nineteen eighty one, hudnut in

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis Chamber of Commerce chairman Thomas Moses formed a civic

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 2>committee to pitch the NFL on expanding to Indy. The

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis Star report on the committee included this line, which read,

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 2>quote NFL expansion is expected in nineteen eighty two, probably

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>by two teams. Hud Nutt emphasized Indianapolis had to put

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>forth a strong bid to beat out several other cities,

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 2>including Memphis, Jacksonville, Phoenix, Birmingham, Alabama, Portland, Oregon, and Honolulu.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>What those cities didn't have, though, was a state of

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the art facility for a team to move into Indianapolis

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 2>by building the Hoosier Dome. Before getting a team would

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>have that. They already pushed a new tax through, meaning

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>there wouldn't have to be any political wrangling for a

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>new facility to be built. That put Indianapolis at an advantage.

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>But NFL expansion was complicated by an ongoing anti trust

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.959
<v Speaker 2>suit between the NFL and the Raiders, who moved from

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 2>from Oakland to Los Angeles against the league's wishes in

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. That litigation had to be put to

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>bed before the NFL would consider adding any more teams. Eventually,

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the Raiders did prevail in court they could move to

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles. That would turn out to eventually be good

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>news for the city of Indianapolis, as it cleared a

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>barrier for teams looking to relocate, like a few years later,

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the Baltimore Colts, but in that moment, it changed the

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>NFL's tune about expansion, throwing cold water on Indianapolis's hopes

0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>of getting a team in the near future. When ground

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>was broken on the Hoosier Dome in the spring of

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two, the city of Indianapolis absolutely anticipated the

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>NFL would expand in the next few years. But on

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>January twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three, the Indianapolis News reported

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>that NFL Commissioner Pete rosell said, quote expansion because of

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>the legal uncertainty and today's climate is not paramount with

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 2>the NFL today. Roselle's reasoning for putting expansion on hold,

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the Indianapolis News reported, was the prospect of Congress passing

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.879
<v Speaker 2>legislation that would prevent another Raiders situation, where a club

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 2>relocates without the league's authorization. Roselle said, quote, we have

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to be sure that the teams we award to expansion

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 2>cities stay put. In June of nineteen eighty three, Dan Rooney,

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>the president of the Pittsburgh Steelers and a member of

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>one of the league's most influential ownership groups, came to

0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis to tour the Hoosierdom. He told the Indianapolis News

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 2>the city's bid for an expansion NFL franchise was quote

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 2>on hold, pointing again to the ongoing Raiders suit. He

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.280
<v Speaker 2>praised Indianapolis's efforts, though, but he mentioned five other cities

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 2>that were also vuying for a team, Phoenix, Memphis, Birmingham, Jacksonville,

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and Montreal, Canada.

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 3>We knew we were taking a bit of a risk.

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 10>I don't remember very well though, exact conversations about BT

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 10>Roselle's decision, but Bob Welch had been encouraged by all.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 3>The owners of the Bears, the owners of.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 10>Pittsburgh and several other franchises, that we will get this done.

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 10>But you know, it was never over until it was

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 10>we had a deal.

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>In the same news article, Robert Welch expressed confidence Indianapolis

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.400
<v Speaker 2>would still get an NFL team, maybe as soon as

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty five, but he also pitched the Hoosier Dome

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.879
<v Speaker 2>as a host to big time college football games as

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 2>well as the home of the Indiana high school football playoffs.

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>By the summer of nineteen eighty three, the Hoosier Dome,

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 2>which was still under construction, had already booked two big

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 2>time games, a preseason NFL game between the Chicago Bears

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and Buffalo Bills in August of nineteen eighty four and

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 2>a Notre Dame versus Purdue College contest that September. And

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.439
<v Speaker 2>to be fair, the Hoosier Dome's ability to host things

0:35:57.560 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 2>other than an NFL team was part of its appeal.

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 2>That multipurpose use was a significant part of the pitch

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to citizens from cities leadership.

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:08.719
<v Speaker 7>It was sold, it was sold hard, it was sold effectively.

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:10.239
<v Speaker 7>That was all part of it.

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 8>Look at we've got this big extra space we're going

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 8>to have and the firefighters are going to come in

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 8>and you know, different groups, and this is going to

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 8>be great for the convention center.

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 7>And that was obviously part of the whole selling point too.

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:22.439
<v Speaker 7>And it was true.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 8>I mean, they could use that space for that sort

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 8>of thing. So they think they knew that was what

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 8>they had to say, and it was true. You know,

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 8>that's how that space could be used. It made it

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 8>easier to swallow because people were being asked. I mean,

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.920
<v Speaker 8>there was a tax that was put into place, and

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 8>people you know eating out was going to have to,

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 8>you know, pay.

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 7>For the building of this thing. But yeah, that's exactly

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:47.919
<v Speaker 7>how it came down.

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 8>And as you sat back, you thought, okay, well that

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 8>makes sense because the football team wasn't there at that point.

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Still, from a political standpoint, you don't build a massive

0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>dome stadium with public money just to host conventions and

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>concerts and events and the occasional novelty of a college

0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 2>football or NFL preseason game. While publicly the stadium was

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 2>sold as an expansion of the Convention Center, privately hud

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Nutt knew just how big of a risk he was taking.

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 4>People question, why are you building a stadium when you

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 4>don't have a guarantee of a team to play in it.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 4>The biggest thing was, you guys are building the state.

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 4>You don't have a team. You don't have a team?

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 3>Are you nuts?

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 4>They were nuts today, very sharp way.

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.040
<v Speaker 13>You don't have so many tractor pulls and concerts for that.

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.960
<v Speaker 13>But it showed you the foresight of the city movers

0:37:33.000 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 13>and shakers to say, we're going to do whatever we

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 13>can to get a team here.

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 2>While some residents may have grumbled about the construction of

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 2>the who you're doing with public money? This is where

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Hudnut's popularity and politicking skills came into play.

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 7>They just moved ahead. They were bound and determined. So,

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 7>you know, the few voices that there were, you know,

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 7>to stand up to that was pretty tough.

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 8>Because Nut had lined up the business community, Frick cib

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:01.360
<v Speaker 8>everybody was on board, and I think I think the

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 8>rest of the city was.

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 7>I was stunned that that we were going to build

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 7>a who's you're done without? Without a football team? Really,

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 7>you know, what what does that mean? I mean, how

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 7>does that happen?

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 8>He wanted Indianapolis to be on the map. You know,

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 8>it was time for us to do something other than

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.479
<v Speaker 8>you know, a few of our our little, our little

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 8>hotels and you know, we had the Convention Center as

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 8>it was. And he had been around enough, he had

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 8>traveled enough, he had been around, you know, with other

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 8>mayors around the city. He could see what was happening

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 8>and it's like, you know, put up or shut up, folks.

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 8>And he just had that energy, you know, he just

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 8>he was He just embraced people.

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 7>Got he could do that. He could he could manage

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:47.760
<v Speaker 7>people to get on his side.

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 8>And I think that's what he did because people were

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.280
<v Speaker 8>on board and once that Who's Your Dome was built?

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Man, it was.

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 4>We were cool.

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Even as the city's hopes of landing an NFL team

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.240
<v Speaker 2>in the near future it looked to be diminishing. Construction

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of the Hoosier Dome continued.

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<v Speaker 12>When Bob and I first came down to interview for

0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 12>this job, it was probably February of eighty three.

0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Tom Griswold is the longtime host of The Bob and

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Tom Show, which has been broadcast from Indianapolis for over

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>forty years.

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:24.520
<v Speaker 12>And we were stating at the Downtown Hyatt and I

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 12>didn't know anything about the city, and I remember looking

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 12>on my window and there was this big hole in

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 12>the ground and the walls were going up on this

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 12>big thing that would of course become the Hoosier Dome.

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 12>And we, of course had no idea that behind the scenes,

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 12>some very very clever and smart people were putting together

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.919
<v Speaker 12>a situation that would make it appealing to a team

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 12>like the Coals to move here.

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 2>The pillowy roof of the Hoosier Dome was inflated in

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>August of nineteen eighty three. Construction of the interior of

0:39:56.040 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 2>the stadium continued that fall and into nineteen eighty four

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.680
<v Speaker 2>the East coast, there was chatter that the Baltimore Colts,

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 2>who had been rumored to be on their way out

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>of Baltimore for years by this point, could consider Indianapolis

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:12.920
<v Speaker 2>as a destination to relocate. Jim irsay Now, the owner

0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>and CEO of the Colts, remembers admiring the city's bold

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>play from afar.

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 14>And Indy just did something which is unheard of. Is

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:28.080
<v Speaker 14>they built a new stadium and back then a dome stadium,

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:31.879
<v Speaker 14>which there are very few of. Ah, and they didn't

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.799
<v Speaker 14>have a team, you know, I mean, it's like what But.

0:40:34.840 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 2>While Indianapolis was known to the NFL for years prior

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to the construction of the Hoosier Dome, there was still

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:44.839
<v Speaker 2>this thought of Indianapolis, really that's an NFL city. Rick

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Venturrey was an assistant coach on the Baltimore Colts in

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the summer of nineteen eighty three when he drove his

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>family from Baltimore back to his hometown of Pekin, Illinois.

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 15>And of course, you know, we came right through Indianapolis

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 15>on seventy We came right through it. And I remember

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.719
<v Speaker 15>turning around to my eleven year old son Jason and

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:08.359
<v Speaker 15>pointing to the Hoosier Dome, which was vacant, and I said, man,

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 15>would this be a great place for a USFL team.

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Even locally, the thought of actually becoming an NFL city

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>was a bit disorienting for Indianapolis residents.

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:21.400
<v Speaker 8>What they were selling hard is how great a thing

0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.319
<v Speaker 8>this was going to be for the city of Indianapolis.

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 8>I think a lot of people were just kind of

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 8>like stunned. It's like, we're going to.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 7>Be an NFL city.

0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:31.319
<v Speaker 8>I mean, we don't even have a Major League baseball team.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.799
<v Speaker 8>I mean we did have the pacers and stuff, but it.

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 7>Was kind of like stunned.

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 2>This is all a backdrop, though, to just how gutsy

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 2>the plan was to build the Hoosier Dome. Maybe it

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 2>could have succeeded financially by hosting conventions, concerts, and a

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 2>few neutral psych college football games, but politically, for Hudnut,

0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 2>if the Hoosier Dome sat vacant on fall Sundays, he

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and everyone else knew it would have been a disaster.

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 2>But the venture to build the Hoosier Dome wasn't just

0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>a risky thing to do, as the cities movers and

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 2>shakers saw it, It was the right thing to do

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 2>in tandem with the rest of the growth of downtown Indianapolis.

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, we knew we had to create this because

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 3>we didn't have seashore, we didn't have mountains. But we had.

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 10>An incredible work ethic to an incredible group of folks

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 10>that said, we're going to build a city that will

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:31.239
<v Speaker 10>will be attractive and that people will respect and want

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 10>to come be a part of.

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's happened.

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 2>And so as the Hoosier Dome neared its completion early

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty four, Indianapolis went on the offensive. Specifically,

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>they went on the offensive with Robert Arsay, the owner

0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 2>of the Baltimore Colts, who had a clandestine visit to

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis earlier in the decade about moving his team to

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>America's heartland. The only problem, all those cities that like

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis were vying for an NFL expansion team, Well, they're

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>also trying and to lure the Colts out of Baltimore.

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>In January of nineteen eighty four, the Associated Press reported

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the Colts had a handshake deal with state officials in

0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 2>Arizona to move out west. Within the Colts offices in

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Owens Mills, Maryland. For at least a couple hours, it

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>looked like the team, after years of rumors, was on

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 2>its way to Phoenix. But shortly after the report hit,

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Robert or Say called off the deal. He hopped on

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>his private jet and flew from Las Vegas to Baltimore,

0:43:29.840 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 2>where he called a press conference blasting the report. We'll

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:36.839
<v Speaker 2>get into that moment in next week's episode. For Indianapolis.

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Though the door was open, the city of Baltimore and

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the entire NFL were resigned to the Colts relocating at

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 2>some point in the near future.

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 13>It's not like Indy was the number one choice of

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 13>Bob Ursa. I think they were close to going to

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 13>Arizona to Phoenix. I really do. Indy became playan B

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 13>when Plan A didn't work. But I still believe that

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 13>had certain things fallen together, then a Indy wouldn't have

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:01.439
<v Speaker 13>gotten a team.

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>According to The Indie Star, two days after Ursay's infamous

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 2>press conference, Herb Simon, who had purchased the Indiana Pacers

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 2>a year prior, along with businessman Tom Shine, overheard NFL

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 2>owners discussing the possibility of the Colts moving while turning

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 2>down Arizona's overtures Simon and Shine pitched, according to the paper,

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.919
<v Speaker 2>Baltimore people on the Hoosier Dome and the rapid growth

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>of Indianapolis, which boasted a vibrant downtown and over seven

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand residents within the city's borders. A few weeks later,

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Shine confirmed that the Colts would not be going to Phoenix,

0:44:39.760 --> 0:44:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and according to The Star, on February eighth, nineteen eighty four,

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Mayor Hudnut committed to getting the Colts to move to

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.799
<v Speaker 2>his city. Two weeks later, he directed his deputy mayor

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and chief negotiator, David Frick, to quote, go for it

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:54.760
<v Speaker 2>with gusto.

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, that's why I said. I don't think there was

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 13>a lot of build up to this. It was sort

0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.959
<v Speaker 13>of like, Okay, all of a sudden, a late comer

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.520
<v Speaker 13>to the dance is Indianapolis. And again, fortunately they had

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.520
<v Speaker 13>done the groundwork to be ready for that day when

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:07.839
<v Speaker 13>it came.

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Frick and Nick Franzel, a local banking executive and former

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 2>owner of the NHL's Pittsburgh Penguins, began negotiations with the Colts.

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Hunn Up began working with his neighbor John B. Smith,

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>who happened to be the CEO of Mayflower to make

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 2>arrangements on how to move the Colts if Robert Ursay

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 2>decided to pack up for Indianapolis. On February twenty third,

0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four, Frick flew Robert or Say to Indianapolis

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>for another clandestine visit. This time, he was ushered to

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:40.439
<v Speaker 2>the brand new facility the city hoped his team could

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:40.919
<v Speaker 2>call home.

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 4>They brought him in for a secret tour of the

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Hoosier Dome and guess what had just been installed? The

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 4>blue seats, and Barber Say walked in and went, you

0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.320
<v Speaker 4>did this for me. I've used this word so many times.

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 4>It characterizes that moment, and a Karen characterizes the Indianapolis

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 4>Sports Initiative serendipity. It was serendipity that the Colts, that

0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Bob Ursay would walk in and see Colts blue seats

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 4>that had been ordered long before the Colts ever knew

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:20.600
<v Speaker 4>that they were going to be in Indianapolis.

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Frick told The Indianapolis Star in twenty fourteen that it

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 2>was in that moment he realized Indianapolis was not just

0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 2>a bargaining chip for the Colts to get a better

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 2>deal in Baltimore or somewhere else they were a real

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 2>player to land the team. On March sixth, the Colts

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 2>sent another delegation to Indianapolis. This time it was jim

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Irsay and then head coach Frank Kush.

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.680
<v Speaker 14>And you know, frank'syche God Jimmy for you know, well,

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.280
<v Speaker 14>for a hell's sake, we got and moved to Arizona

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 14>because Frank was from Arizona. You call your mom and

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 14>let her convince. I go, Frank, my mom's not going

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 14>to decide this. I mean, for God's sakes. I mean, yeah,

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 14>it's ridiculous. It's just she has nothing to do with

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 14>it is his decision, you know.

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh, come on, ja man, we gotta move here.

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:10.360
<v Speaker 6>So I called my dad in the morning. Dad, Frank

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 6>and I are in Indianapolis.

0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 15>What do we do?

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 12>Now?

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 4>What are you doing in Indianapolis?

0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 6>What the hell is going on? I go, you told

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:21.400
<v Speaker 6>me to go to.

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 14>Indianapolis with Frank Kush right around five o'clock in the afternoon.

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.040
<v Speaker 4>And he goes, oh, okay, I'll call you.

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 13>Back, Hudnut.

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.320
<v Speaker 2>That spring, flew to Honolulu for the NFL owners meetings,

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 2>where Ursa was not in attendance, but he did pitch

0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 2>other league owners on Indianapolis as a destination for the NFL.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.439
<v Speaker 2>But when Hudnaut arrived back in Indianapolis on March twenty first,

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four, he saw a wire report that the

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Colts would stay in Baltimore for nineteen eighty four. It

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.759
<v Speaker 2>wasn't true. Robert Ursay told him the next day. The

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Colts were still willing to move. Specifically, they were still

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 2>willing to move to Indianapolis. But the Colts had been

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>willing to move before, and this situation was incredibly volatile.

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.400
<v Speaker 2>They had been on the edge of their cliff in

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Baltimore for a while. Now what they and the city

0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 2>of Indianapolis needed was someone or something to make them

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 2>take the leap. Which brings us to the night of

0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.320
<v Speaker 2>March twenty eighth, nineteen eighty four. We'll tell the story

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 2>of that fateful night, a knight that made an indelible

0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>mark on two cities. On episode three of The Move

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 2>May Fly, Skim.

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 15>Clears his throat like you always did in those days.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 15>He always cleared his throat before he delivered. And I'll

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 15>never forget it what he said. He said, Okay, man,

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 15>he goes. The deal has been done. We're moving to

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 15>Indianapolis tonight. The trucks will be here at eleven.

0:48:47.719 --> 0:48:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're stealing stuff, right, and lew because it was

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 3>mass Chao.

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 11>The last person out, the very last person that was

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:57.360
<v Speaker 11>gentleman by the name of Walter Kotasking.

0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Walter was the p architector and he out and I'm

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 4>paraphrase and.

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 11>Said, guys, don't stay that a cold They're gone and

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 11>anything closed again, and that was it.

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 16>If you pick a city outside the NFL San Antonio,

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:14.680
<v Speaker 16>you tend to think less because they don't have an

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 16>NFL team. Now that's completely irrational, it's completely ridiculous, but

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 16>we all do it. And so when Indianapolis shows up,

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.680
<v Speaker 16>you're like, how can they They're not an NFL city,

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:26.319
<v Speaker 16>how can they? How can they take this team?

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.319
<v Speaker 17>The story of how the Colts picked up and moved

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:30.800
<v Speaker 17>in the middle of the night will be told on

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 17>episode three of The Move. The episode will be released

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:37.840
<v Speaker 17>on July eighth. Subscribe to the Colts Audio Network to

0:49:37.880 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 17>download episode one of The Move, which was released last week.

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 17>Episode two of The Move was written and narrated by

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:48.879
<v Speaker 17>JJ Stankowitz and produced by Casey Valier amber Daro Dave

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:52.440
<v Speaker 17>Knickerbocker and Matt Taylor contributed with research and editing.

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<v Speaker 2>They need putting by computing btutambertuction