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Speaker 2: David Letterman, an Indianapolis Natives, spent some time riffing on

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Speaker 3: I go to Indiana Chicago.

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Speaker 4: We truly were napped out, and I draw the comparison

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Speaker 2: That's Bill Benner, a longtime reporter for the Indianapolis Star

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Speaker 2: who now works for the Indiana Pacers. We spoke at

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Speaker 4: In nineteen sixty seven, Louisville and the Pacers both got

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Speaker 4: ABA franchises, but other than that, we were at one

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Speaker 4: We became Indianapolis the amateur sports capital of the world,

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Speaker 4: did all the downtown development along with that. Louisville didn't

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Speaker 4: Louisville didn't. And Louisville has yet to catch up, in

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Speaker 4: my humble opinion, but it's a it's a good comparison

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Speaker 2: Gaggle think about Indianapolis now as we know it, This

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Speaker 5: He's making a book, No Pipe.

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Speaker 2: He wanted parlight and for its rich basketball tradition from

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Speaker 4: Welcome Indiana, Baca.

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Speaker 2: But Indianapolis is elevated not just on a local scale,

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Speaker 2: Forty years ago, a fleet of Mayflower moving vans arrived

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Speaker 7: Louisville's a really full little city, but I call it little.

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Speaker 2: Debbie Knox began reporting and anchoring at WISH TV in

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Speaker 8: Indianapolis now is I just seized as a major league

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Speaker 7: I've also heard us compared to Columbus, Ohio, but that's

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Speaker 8: Have an NBA team, you know, and then what you

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Speaker 2: Knox hits on something here. The Colts transformed and are

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Speaker 2: episode two of the Move Indianapolis. Indianapolis was established in

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Speaker 9: Annapolis and through the Unigov experience, because we really did

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Speaker 8: Of what could occur now.

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Speaker 2: While UNIGOV was not met with universal praise, it did

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Speaker 10: UNIGOV was the most significant municipal government reform in the

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Speaker 10: So when UNIGOV took place, overnight, Annapolis went from being

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Speaker 2: After Yunikov, Luger, Morris, and the local government set their

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Speaker 2: The same year Luger was elected mayor, the Indiana Pacers

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Speaker 11: The coliseum was big, but downtown not quite so much.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Batis is a local native and a long time

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Speaker 11: It was a little sleepier, not as much going on downtown,

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Speaker 4: When the idea of an Arena was in the sleep flow.

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Speaker 2: Luger got his way on October twentieth, nineteen seventy one,

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Speaker 2: But the progress Indianapolis made after building Market Square Arena

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Speaker 3: Four teams will be absorbed into the NBA next year.

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Speaker 2: The Pacers went thirty six and forty six in their

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Speaker 2: The telethon was called, in stark terms, the Save the

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Speaker 2: The Pacers were saved. They would stay in Indianapolis for now.

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Speaker 2: And the importance of that moment, when the Pacers were

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Speaker 1: The Pacers were really the hub.

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Speaker 11: They had great success, right ABA championship, beloved players. If

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Speaker 2: Think about it. If Indianapolis, the biggest city in the

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Speaker 4: I think this very very possible, if not likely, that

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Speaker 4: Was a lot of speculation that Sam Nassy wanted to

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Speaker 2: The threat of an outside investor buying the Pacers and

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Speaker 2: The Indiana Pacers were absolutely a central figure in bringing

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Speaker 3: Well, we had the Pacers. They were successful.

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Speaker 2: But they're just one part of this story. Toward the

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 4: They also had again to invest in facilities, and so

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Speaker 13: You could just see it was on an upper course

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Speaker 2: In the late nineteen seventies, Indianapolis had plenty of football fans.

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Speaker 2: quote Indianapolis certainly exhibits all the ingredients for an NFL

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Speaker 2: franchise city. It's a great sports town with great leadership.

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Speaker 2: But those ingredients had to come together in the form

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Speaker 2: of a new stadium. Indianapolis in nineteen seventy eight didn't

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Speaker 2: have anything close to the kind of venue required to

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Speaker 2: house an NFL team, and.

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Speaker 4: You had to make the investment. You couldn't have him playing.

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Speaker 2: Butler bull rubbing elbows and making grand promises with some

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Speaker 2: of the NFL's most influential decision makers. Was not going

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Speaker 2: to get Indianapolis an NFL team. More importantly, for Indianapolis

447
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Speaker 2: to build a stadium that could attract a franchise, someone

448
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Speaker 2: or Someone's had to secure the funding. That meant getting

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Speaker 2: some money from private investors, of course, but it also

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Speaker 2: meant needing funding from the two words every citizen and

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Speaker 2: politician dreads, new taxes. And this is where the stories

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Speaker 2: of the Indiana Pacers and Bill Hudnut's vision for the

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Speaker 2: city converged to create an environment where the city of

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis could build a domed stadium without any guarantee of

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Speaker 2: having an NFL tenant. Hudnut in nineteen seventy nine was

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Speaker 2: re elected in a landslide, winning just under seventy five

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Speaker 2: percent of the vote to earn a second term as

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Speaker 2: mayor of Indianapolis, with the city not only supporting its

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Speaker 2: low own top flight sports team, the Pacers, but also

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Speaker 2: its mayor. Hudnutt embarked on his most aggressive initiative as mayor, and.

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Speaker 6: I'm elected to the second term in nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 2: Hudnutt, who died in twenty sixteen, did an interview in

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen with WFYI, Indianapolis's NPR and PBS station.

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Speaker 6: Right after that election, I convened a small group of people,

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Speaker 6: movers and shaker types from the Chamber of Commerce basically

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Speaker 6: and said we're on We're on a trail for a

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Speaker 6: football team, and in order to do that, we've got

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Speaker 6: to get a stadium. And in order to get a stadium,

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Speaker 6: we've got to get the money.

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Speaker 2: After directing investments into facilities with the goal of making

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis the amateur sports capital of the world, Hudnutt turned

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Speaker 2: his sites to building another world class facility, a sixty

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Speaker 2: thousand seat domed stadium built as an extension of the

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Speaker 2: Indiana Convention Center, but really as a way to attract

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Speaker 2: an NFL franchise. The plan was not universally well received.

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Speaker 2: Debbie Knox, the longtime Indianapolis news reporter for WISH TV,

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Speaker 2: arrived in nineteen eighty, right as the plan to build

478
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Speaker 2: a Hoosier Dome was being hatched.

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Speaker 7: When they first started talked about building the dome and

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Speaker 7: and all that sort of thing, and you're.

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Speaker 8: Kind of like, yeah, right, okay, you don't have a team.

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Speaker 7: Really, you know, what's this going to look like.

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Speaker 8: There was some resistance to that because it was going

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Speaker 8: to cost money and people were going to have to contribute,

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Speaker 8: you know, tax dollars and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So here's what Hudnut and the movers and shakers were

487
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Speaker 2: up against. They wanted to build a stadium using public money,

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Speaker 2: with the goal, but not the guarantee, of attracting an

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Speaker 2: NFL team. Imagine if Indianapolis never wound up getting the

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Speaker 2: Colts and then got passed over when the NFL expanded

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five, the Hoosier Dome would have hosted stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah's sure, but it would have been a political disaster

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Speaker 2: for Hudnut team.

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Speaker 6: Of course, if we hadn't gotten a team, this was

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Speaker 6: the big risk for me politically. It would have been

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Speaker 6: Hudnut's white elephant and what an idiot spending eighty million

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Speaker 6: dollars of taxpayer money, which was not true, in order

498
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Speaker 6: to build a giant taj Mahal where nobody was doing anything.

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Speaker 6: As we used to say at the time, I didn't

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Speaker 6: think about the political risk too much then because I

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Speaker 6: thought it was just a great idea and no guts,

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Speaker 6: no glory.

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Speaker 2: The plan was hatched to fund the stadium through an

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Speaker 2: eight figure donation from the Lilliandowment, as well as five

505
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Speaker 2: million dollars from the Kranart Foundation, and crucially, a one

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Speaker 2: percent tax on food and beverages sold in Marion County.

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Speaker 2: Think back to the early days of the Luger administration

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Speaker 2: before UNIGOV, when downtown Indianapolis had just a couple of restaurants.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen years later, the investment in downtown, headlined by Market

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Speaker 2: Square Arena and the Convention Center, led to restaurants and

511
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Speaker 2: bars opening up all over downtown Indianapolis. Those establishments then

512
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Speaker 2: could become a vehicle for the city's most ambitious downtown project.

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Speaker 4: Yet we had a reason to come downtown again. There

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Speaker 4: was activity downtown, and with the building of Market Square Arena,

515
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Speaker 4: guess what happened. People were coming downtown for concerts and

516
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Speaker 4: patience games and the rodeo and hockey, and they needed

517
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Speaker 4: a place to eat, and suddenly we had restaurants.

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Speaker 2: The city was able to raise the requisite funds about

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Speaker 2: eighty million dollars, and in the spring of nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: two broke ground on construction of the Hoosier Dome. Crucially,

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Speaker 2: the Hoosier Dome would be located in downtown Indianapolis, just

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Speaker 2: like Market Square Arena and the Convention Center, and not

523
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Speaker 2: in some farmland out by the IFO sixty five loop.

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Speaker 2: At a time when plenty of professional sports teams and

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Speaker 2: major American cities were eyeing expansive stadium locations outside their

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Speaker 2: city center, Indianapolis squeezed their dome into a parcel of

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Speaker 2: land between the existing Convention Center to the west and

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Speaker 2: north and train tracks to the south.

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Speaker 11: Mayor hut Nut and the movers and shakers were very

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Speaker 11: smart by getting the state eump downtown. It would have

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Speaker 11: been so much different if they would moved it like

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Speaker 11: many other cities forty five minutes away or thirty minutes away.

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Speaker 11: By putting it downtown and betting on the comm that

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Speaker 11: something was going to happen, really, without that forethought, I

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Speaker 11: don't know if any of this happened.

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Speaker 2: And by connecting the Hoosier Dome to the Convention Center.

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Speaker 2: Hudnutt was able to pitch the stadium not just as

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Speaker 2: a destination for the NFL, but as a way for

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis to attract bigger conventions, bigger events, and ultimately more

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Speaker 2: people to its rapidly growing downtown.

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Speaker 6: And at the end of the day, we'd raised eighty

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Speaker 6: million dollars. So we embarked on an eighty million dollar

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Speaker 6: project not as a freestanding facility out in the cornfields,

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Speaker 6: but as an expansion of the convention Center, and we

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Speaker 6: were able to book a lot of new convention business

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Speaker 6: in and enhance our competitive position there. Regardless of whether

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Speaker 6: we've gotten the team.

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Speaker 2: Hudnut in the business community were always confident they would

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Speaker 2: be able to get an NFL team. The expectation was

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Speaker 2: the NFL would view Indianapolis as an ideal destination for

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Speaker 2: an expansion franchise. Late in nineteen eighty one, hudnut in

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis Chamber of Commerce chairman Thomas Moses formed a civic

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Speaker 2: committee to pitch the NFL on expanding to Indy. The

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis Star report on the committee included this line, which read,

555
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Speaker 2: quote NFL expansion is expected in nineteen eighty two, probably

556
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Speaker 2: by two teams. Hud Nutt emphasized Indianapolis had to put

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Speaker 2: forth a strong bid to beat out several other cities,

558
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Speaker 2: including Memphis, Jacksonville, Phoenix, Birmingham, Alabama, Portland, Oregon, and Honolulu.

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Speaker 2: What those cities didn't have, though, was a state of

560
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Speaker 2: the art facility for a team to move into Indianapolis

561
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Speaker 2: by building the Hoosier Dome. Before getting a team would

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Speaker 2: have that. They already pushed a new tax through, meaning

563
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Speaker 2: there wouldn't have to be any political wrangling for a

564
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Speaker 2: new facility to be built. That put Indianapolis at an advantage.

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Speaker 2: But NFL expansion was complicated by an ongoing anti trust

566
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Speaker 2: suit between the NFL and the Raiders, who moved from

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Speaker 2: from Oakland to Los Angeles against the league's wishes in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two. That litigation had to be put to

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Speaker 2: bed before the NFL would consider adding any more teams. Eventually,

570
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Speaker 2: the Raiders did prevail in court they could move to

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. That would turn out to eventually be good

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Speaker 2: news for the city of Indianapolis, as it cleared a

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Speaker 2: barrier for teams looking to relocate, like a few years later,

574
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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Colts, but in that moment, it changed the

575
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Speaker 2: NFL's tune about expansion, throwing cold water on Indianapolis's hopes

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Speaker 2: of getting a team in the near future. When ground

577
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Speaker 2: was broken on the Hoosier Dome in the spring of

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two, the city of Indianapolis absolutely anticipated the

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Speaker 2: NFL would expand in the next few years. But on

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Speaker 2: January twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three, the Indianapolis News reported

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Speaker 2: that NFL Commissioner Pete rosell said, quote expansion because of

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Speaker 2: the legal uncertainty and today's climate is not paramount with

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Speaker 2: the NFL today. Roselle's reasoning for putting expansion on hold,

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Speaker 2: the Indianapolis News reported, was the prospect of Congress passing

585
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Speaker 2: legislation that would prevent another Raiders situation, where a club

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Speaker 2: relocates without the league's authorization. Roselle said, quote, we have

587
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Speaker 2: to be sure that the teams we award to expansion

588
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Speaker 2: cities stay put. In June of nineteen eighty three, Dan Rooney,

589
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Speaker 2: the president of the Pittsburgh Steelers and a member of

590
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Speaker 2: one of the league's most influential ownership groups, came to

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Speaker 2: Indianapolis to tour the Hoosierdom. He told the Indianapolis News

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Speaker 2: the city's bid for an expansion NFL franchise was quote

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Speaker 2: on hold, pointing again to the ongoing Raiders suit. He

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Speaker 2: praised Indianapolis's efforts, though, but he mentioned five other cities

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Speaker 2: that were also vuying for a team, Phoenix, Memphis, Birmingham, Jacksonville,

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Speaker 2: and Montreal, Canada.

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Speaker 3: We knew we were taking a bit of a risk.

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Speaker 10: I don't remember very well though, exact conversations about BT

599
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Speaker 10: Roselle's decision, but Bob Welch had been encouraged by all.

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Speaker 3: The owners of the Bears, the owners of.

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Speaker 10: Pittsburgh and several other franchises, that we will get this done.

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Speaker 10: But you know, it was never over until it was

603
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Speaker 10: we had a deal.

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Speaker 2: In the same news article, Robert Welch expressed confidence Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: would still get an NFL team, maybe as soon as

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, but he also pitched the Hoosier Dome

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Speaker 2: as a host to big time college football games as

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Speaker 2: well as the home of the Indiana high school football playoffs.

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Speaker 2: By the summer of nineteen eighty three, the Hoosier Dome,

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Speaker 2: which was still under construction, had already booked two big

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Speaker 2: time games, a preseason NFL game between the Chicago Bears

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Speaker 2: and Buffalo Bills in August of nineteen eighty four and

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Speaker 2: a Notre Dame versus Purdue College contest that September. And

614
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Speaker 2: to be fair, the Hoosier Dome's ability to host things

615
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: other than an NFL team was part of its appeal.

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Speaker 2: That multipurpose use was a significant part of the pitch

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Speaker 2: to citizens from cities leadership.

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Speaker 7: It was sold, it was sold hard, it was sold effectively.

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Speaker 7: That was all part of it.

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Speaker 8: Look at we've got this big extra space we're going

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Speaker 8: to have and the firefighters are going to come in

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Speaker 8: and you know, different groups, and this is going to

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Speaker 8: be great for the convention center.

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Speaker 7: And that was obviously part of the whole selling point too.

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Speaker 7: And it was true.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they could use that space for that sort

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Speaker 8: of thing. So they think they knew that was what

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Speaker 8: they had to say, and it was true. You know,

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Speaker 8: that's how that space could be used. It made it

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Speaker 8: easier to swallow because people were being asked. I mean,

631
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Speaker 8: there was a tax that was put into place, and

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Speaker 8: people you know eating out was going to have to,

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Speaker 8: you know, pay.

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Speaker 7: For the building of this thing. But yeah, that's exactly

635
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Speaker 7: how it came down.

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Speaker 8: And as you sat back, you thought, okay, well that

637
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Speaker 8: makes sense because the football team wasn't there at that point.

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Speaker 2: Still, from a political standpoint, you don't build a massive

639
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Speaker 2: dome stadium with public money just to host conventions and

640
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: concerts and events and the occasional novelty of a college

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00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: football or NFL preseason game. While publicly the stadium was

642
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: sold as an expansion of the Convention Center, privately hud

643
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Speaker 2: Nutt knew just how big of a risk he was taking.

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Speaker 4: People question, why are you building a stadium when you

645
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Speaker 4: don't have a guarantee of a team to play in it.

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Speaker 4: The biggest thing was, you guys are building the state.

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Speaker 4: You don't have a team. You don't have a team?

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Speaker 3: Are you nuts?

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Speaker 4: They were nuts today, very sharp way.

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Speaker 13: You don't have so many tractor pulls and concerts for that.

651
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Speaker 13: But it showed you the foresight of the city movers

652
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Speaker 13: and shakers to say, we're going to do whatever we

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Speaker 13: can to get a team here.

654
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Speaker 2: While some residents may have grumbled about the construction of

655
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: the who you're doing with public money? This is where

656
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: Hudnut's popularity and politicking skills came into play.

657
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 7: They just moved ahead. They were bound and determined. So,

658
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 7: you know, the few voices that there were, you know,

659
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 7: to stand up to that was pretty tough.

660
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 8: Because Nut had lined up the business community, Frick cib

661
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 8: everybody was on board, and I think I think the

662
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 8: rest of the city was.

663
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: I mean I was.

664
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 7: I was stunned that that we were going to build

665
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 7: a who's you're done without? Without a football team? Really,

666
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 7: you know, what what does that mean? I mean, how

667
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 7: does that happen?

668
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 8: He wanted Indianapolis to be on the map. You know,

669
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 8: it was time for us to do something other than

670
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 8: you know, a few of our our little, our little

671
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 8: hotels and you know, we had the Convention Center as

672
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 8: it was. And he had been around enough, he had

673
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 8: traveled enough, he had been around, you know, with other

674
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 8: mayors around the city. He could see what was happening

675
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 8: and it's like, you know, put up or shut up, folks.

676
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 8: And he just had that energy, you know, he just

677
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 8: he was He just embraced people.

678
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 7: Got he could do that. He could he could manage

679
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 7: people to get on his side.

680
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 8: And I think that's what he did because people were

681
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 8: on board and once that Who's Your Dome was built?

682
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: Man, it was.

683
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: We were cool.

684
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: Even as the city's hopes of landing an NFL team

685
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: in the near future it looked to be diminishing. Construction

686
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: of the Hoosier Dome continued.

687
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 12: When Bob and I first came down to interview for

688
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 12: this job, it was probably February of eighty three.

689
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 2: Tom Griswold is the longtime host of The Bob and

690
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: Tom Show, which has been broadcast from Indianapolis for over

691
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: forty years.

692
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 12: And we were stating at the Downtown Hyatt and I

693
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 12: didn't know anything about the city, and I remember looking

694
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 12: on my window and there was this big hole in

695
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 12: the ground and the walls were going up on this

696
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 12: big thing that would of course become the Hoosier Dome.

697
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 12: And we, of course had no idea that behind the scenes,

698
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 12: some very very clever and smart people were putting together

699
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 12: a situation that would make it appealing to a team

700
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 12: like the Coals to move here.

701
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 2: The pillowy roof of the Hoosier Dome was inflated in

702
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: August of nineteen eighty three. Construction of the interior of

703
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: the stadium continued that fall and into nineteen eighty four

704
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: the East coast, there was chatter that the Baltimore Colts,

705
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: who had been rumored to be on their way out

706
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: of Baltimore for years by this point, could consider Indianapolis

707
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: as a destination to relocate. Jim irsay Now, the owner

708
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: and CEO of the Colts, remembers admiring the city's bold

709
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: play from afar.

710
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 14: And Indy just did something which is unheard of. Is

711
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 14: they built a new stadium and back then a dome stadium,

712
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 14: which there are very few of. Ah, and they didn't

713
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 14: have a team, you know, I mean, it's like what But.

714
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: While Indianapolis was known to the NFL for years prior

715
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: to the construction of the Hoosier Dome, there was still

716
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: this thought of Indianapolis, really that's an NFL city. Rick

717
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: Venturrey was an assistant coach on the Baltimore Colts in

718
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: the summer of nineteen eighty three when he drove his

719
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: family from Baltimore back to his hometown of Pekin, Illinois.

720
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 15: And of course, you know, we came right through Indianapolis

721
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 15: on seventy We came right through it. And I remember

722
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 15: turning around to my eleven year old son Jason and

723
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 15: pointing to the Hoosier Dome, which was vacant, and I said, man,

724
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 15: would this be a great place for a USFL team.

725
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 2: Even locally, the thought of actually becoming an NFL city

726
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: was a bit disorienting for Indianapolis residents.

727
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 8: What they were selling hard is how great a thing

728
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 8: this was going to be for the city of Indianapolis.

729
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people were just kind of

730
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 8: like stunned. It's like, we're going to.

731
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 7: Be an NFL city.

732
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 8: I mean, we don't even have a Major League baseball team.

733
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 8: I mean we did have the pacers and stuff, but it.

734
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 7: Was kind of like stunned.

735
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: This is all a backdrop, though, to just how gutsy

736
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: the plan was to build the Hoosier Dome. Maybe it

737
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: could have succeeded financially by hosting conventions, concerts, and a

738
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: few neutral psych college football games, but politically, for Hudnut,

739
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: if the Hoosier Dome sat vacant on fall Sundays, he

740
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: and everyone else knew it would have been a disaster.

741
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: But the venture to build the Hoosier Dome wasn't just

742
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: a risky thing to do, as the cities movers and

743
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: shakers saw it, It was the right thing to do

744
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: in tandem with the rest of the growth of downtown Indianapolis.

745
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: You know, we knew we had to create this because

746
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: we didn't have seashore, we didn't have mountains. But we had.

747
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 10: An incredible work ethic to an incredible group of folks

748
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 10: that said, we're going to build a city that will

749
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 10: will be attractive and that people will respect and want

750
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 10: to come be a part of.

751
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: And that's happened.

752
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: And so as the Hoosier Dome neared its completion early

753
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty four, Indianapolis went on the offensive. Specifically,

754
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: they went on the offensive with Robert Arsay, the owner

755
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: of the Baltimore Colts, who had a clandestine visit to

756
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: Indianapolis earlier in the decade about moving his team to

757
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: America's heartland. The only problem, all those cities that like

758
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: Indianapolis were vying for an NFL expansion team, Well, they're

759
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: also trying and to lure the Colts out of Baltimore.

760
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: In January of nineteen eighty four, the Associated Press reported

761
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: the Colts had a handshake deal with state officials in

762
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: Arizona to move out west. Within the Colts offices in

763
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: Owens Mills, Maryland. For at least a couple hours, it

764
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: looked like the team, after years of rumors, was on

765
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: its way to Phoenix. But shortly after the report hit,

766
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: Robert or Say called off the deal. He hopped on

767
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: his private jet and flew from Las Vegas to Baltimore,

768
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: where he called a press conference blasting the report. We'll

769
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: get into that moment in next week's episode. For Indianapolis.

770
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: Though the door was open, the city of Baltimore and

771
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: the entire NFL were resigned to the Colts relocating at

772
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: some point in the near future.

773
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 13: It's not like Indy was the number one choice of

774
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 13: Bob Ursa. I think they were close to going to

775
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 13: Arizona to Phoenix. I really do. Indy became playan B

776
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 13: when Plan A didn't work. But I still believe that

777
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 13: had certain things fallen together, then a Indy wouldn't have

778
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 13: gotten a team.

779
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: According to The Indie Star, two days after Ursay's infamous

780
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: press conference, Herb Simon, who had purchased the Indiana Pacers

781
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: a year prior, along with businessman Tom Shine, overheard NFL

782
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: owners discussing the possibility of the Colts moving while turning

783
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: down Arizona's overtures Simon and Shine pitched, according to the paper,

784
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: Baltimore people on the Hoosier Dome and the rapid growth

785
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: of Indianapolis, which boasted a vibrant downtown and over seven

786
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: hundred thousand residents within the city's borders. A few weeks later,

787
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: Shine confirmed that the Colts would not be going to Phoenix,

788
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: and according to The Star, on February eighth, nineteen eighty four,

789
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: Mayor Hudnut committed to getting the Colts to move to

790
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: his city. Two weeks later, he directed his deputy mayor

791
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: and chief negotiator, David Frick, to quote, go for it

792
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 2: with gusto.

793
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's why I said. I don't think there was

794
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 13: a lot of build up to this. It was sort

795
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,959
Speaker 13: of like, Okay, all of a sudden, a late comer

796
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 13: to the dance is Indianapolis. And again, fortunately they had

797
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 13: done the groundwork to be ready for that day when

798
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 13: it came.

799
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: Frick and Nick Franzel, a local banking executive and former

800
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: owner of the NHL's Pittsburgh Penguins, began negotiations with the Colts.

801
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Hunn Up began working with his neighbor John B. Smith,

802
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: who happened to be the CEO of Mayflower to make

803
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: arrangements on how to move the Colts if Robert Ursay

804
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: decided to pack up for Indianapolis. On February twenty third,

805
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, Frick flew Robert or Say to Indianapolis

806
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: for another clandestine visit. This time, he was ushered to

807
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 2: the brand new facility the city hoped his team could

808
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: call home.

809
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 4: They brought him in for a secret tour of the

810
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: Hoosier Dome and guess what had just been installed? The

811
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: blue seats, and Barber Say walked in and went, you

812
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 4: did this for me. I've used this word so many times.

813
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: It characterizes that moment, and a Karen characterizes the Indianapolis

814
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 4: Sports Initiative serendipity. It was serendipity that the Colts, that

815
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: Bob Ursay would walk in and see Colts blue seats

816
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 4: that had been ordered long before the Colts ever knew

817
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: that they were going to be in Indianapolis.

818
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: Frick told The Indianapolis Star in twenty fourteen that it

819
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: was in that moment he realized Indianapolis was not just

820
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: a bargaining chip for the Colts to get a better

821
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: deal in Baltimore or somewhere else they were a real

822
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: player to land the team. On March sixth, the Colts

823
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: sent another delegation to Indianapolis. This time it was jim

824
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: Irsay and then head coach Frank Kush.

825
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 14: And you know, frank'syche God Jimmy for you know, well,

826
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 14: for a hell's sake, we got and moved to Arizona

827
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 14: because Frank was from Arizona. You call your mom and

828
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 14: let her convince. I go, Frank, my mom's not going

829
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 14: to decide this. I mean, for God's sakes. I mean, yeah,

830
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 14: it's ridiculous. It's just she has nothing to do with

831
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 14: it is his decision, you know.

832
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 4: Oh, come on, ja man, we gotta move here.

833
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 6: So I called my dad in the morning. Dad, Frank

834
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 6: and I are in Indianapolis.

835
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 15: What do we do?

836
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 12: Now?

837
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: What are you doing in Indianapolis?

838
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 6: What the hell is going on? I go, you told

839
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 6: me to go to.

840
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 14: Indianapolis with Frank Kush right around five o'clock in the afternoon.

841
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 4: And he goes, oh, okay, I'll call you.

842
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 13: Back, Hudnut.

843
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: That spring, flew to Honolulu for the NFL owners meetings,

844
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: where Ursa was not in attendance, but he did pitch

845
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: other league owners on Indianapolis as a destination for the NFL.

846
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 2: But when Hudnaut arrived back in Indianapolis on March twenty first,

847
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, he saw a wire report that the

848
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: Colts would stay in Baltimore for nineteen eighty four. It

849
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 2: wasn't true. Robert Ursay told him the next day. The

850
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: Colts were still willing to move. Specifically, they were still

851
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: willing to move to Indianapolis. But the Colts had been

852
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: willing to move before, and this situation was incredibly volatile.

853
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: They had been on the edge of their cliff in

854
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: Baltimore for a while. Now what they and the city

855
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: of Indianapolis needed was someone or something to make them

856
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 2: take the leap. Which brings us to the night of

857
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: March twenty eighth, nineteen eighty four. We'll tell the story

858
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: of that fateful night, a knight that made an indelible

859
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: mark on two cities. On episode three of The Move

860
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: May Fly, Skim.

861
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 15: Clears his throat like you always did in those days.

862
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 15: He always cleared his throat before he delivered. And I'll

863
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 15: never forget it what he said. He said, Okay, man,

864
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 15: he goes. The deal has been done. We're moving to

865
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 15: Indianapolis tonight. The trucks will be here at eleven.

866
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're stealing stuff, right, and lew because it was

867
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: mass Chao.

868
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 11: The last person out, the very last person that was

869
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 11: gentleman by the name of Walter Kotasking.

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Speaker 11: Said, guys, don't stay that a cold They're gone and

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Speaker 11: anything closed again, and that was it.

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Speaker 16: If you pick a city outside the NFL San Antonio,

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Speaker 16: you tend to think less because they don't have an

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Speaker 16: NFL team. Now that's completely irrational, it's completely ridiculous, but

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Speaker 16: we all do it. And so when Indianapolis shows up,

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Speaker 16: you're like, how can they They're not an NFL city,

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Speaker 16: how can they? How can they take this team?

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Speaker 17: The story of how the Colts picked up and moved

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Speaker 17: in the middle of the night will be told on

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Speaker 17: episode three of The Move. The episode will be released

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Speaker 17: on July eighth. Subscribe to the Colts Audio Network to

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Speaker 17: download episode one of The Move, which was released last week.

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Speaker 17: Episode two of The Move was written and narrated by

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Speaker 17: JJ Stankowitz and produced by Casey Valier amber Daro Dave

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Speaker 17: Knickerbocker and Matt Taylor contributed with research and editing.

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