1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Yeah, 2 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: welcome to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in during these our days of 4 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: pandemic that continue. Today's story is about another sort of infection. 5 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: But it's an infection. Uh. You know, we've been going 6 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: back and forth about this off the air. We will 7 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: quite enjoy the title of this. We're gonna call this 8 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Henry d I and your Mysterious English Sweat. I am Ben. 9 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I like to say switch 10 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the Swits. That's a little more Australian maybe maybe New Zealand's. Yeah, 11 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: that's the sound watch out the bits swits, which which 12 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: for sweet swit switten bits. Never mind got off to 13 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: a smashing story here, But no, Ben, you had the 14 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: brilliant idea of the Henry the Eighth and the English 15 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Sweats sounds like some kind of like new wave band 16 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: or like a band that might have played it like 17 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: C B G B S in the eighties. Like I 18 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think? I think you're spot 19 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: on with the time period. It maybe could have been 20 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: part of the earlier British invasion, some group that like 21 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: just never got out of Yorkshire. Yeah, like a skiffle band. 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Perhaps you're reading the headlines about the Beatles and they 23 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: were like one day fellas one day MIT's uh. Speaking 24 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: of mates, we want to give a shout out of 25 00:01:53,480 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: course two our super producer, Casey Pegram case he has, 26 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: like the three of us, never suffered as far as 27 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: we know. From the notorious English sweats. I assume, right, Casey, 28 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: you're English sweat free. I had the American sweats a 29 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: few times, but not the English ones. I think when 30 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: I was over there it was like October, so you 31 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: know it was it was nice weather, sweating was not necessary. 32 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: That's a Casey on the case right there. When I 33 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: think of American sweats, when you first said that, Casey, 34 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking of the meat sweats. Do you guys 35 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: know what that is? Right where we eat so much 36 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: barbecue or something that you're like, I'm sweating from the 37 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: physical exertion of eating. I have to lay down. That's 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: the American sweats right there. But yeah, we're not talking 39 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: about meat sweats though. We're talking about, like, you know, 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: pretty serious disease sweats that could lay you out and 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: then eventually kill you. Um and it was something that 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: very disproportionately affected like the wealthy, which is kind of interesting. 43 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: I sat, I gotta say there's a certain poetic justice 44 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: to that, you know, a disease that only affects the wealthy. Um, 45 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: And there's some reasoning behind that in this story about 46 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: this kind of strange pandemic that swept the land and 47 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: then Boo just blipped out of existence, like Trump thinks 48 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 1: the coronavirus is going to Yeah. Yeah, sweating sickness real thing, 49 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: also known as the sweats, the English sweating sickness. We'll 50 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: find out why in a second. Where English sweat or 51 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: for the Latin lovers in the crowd, sudor anglicus. You're right, No, 52 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: this is a mysterious infection. Uh. To to examine this story, 53 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to start in the late fourteen hundreds. 54 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: We don't know whether there was a patient zero for 55 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: sweating sickness. We don't know first got it, but we 56 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: do know that there's a contingent of historians who believe 57 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: it originally was brought to land by mercenaries hired by 58 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: Henry the Eighth's father. Uh, they're the mercenaries were there 59 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: to seize the throne of England for Henry's line. This 60 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: move bringing in the mercenaries ended what's known as the 61 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: War of the Roses in fourteen eight seven. But as 62 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: as historians believe, again we're not on this. As the 63 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: historians believe the same importation of these foreign soldiers may 64 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: have ushered in the infection known as sweating sickness. That's right. 65 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: Some I'm gonna call them historical epidemiologists, but that might 66 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: not be a thing. They might just be regular historians. 67 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: But there's some theories, um that indicate that, uh in 68 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: that this this disease was brought to England by the French, 69 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: specifically mercenaries um in Henry Tudor's army. But there's a 70 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: lot of different theories behind this, and there aren't really 71 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: any reports of it affecting the Tutor army, which is interesting. 72 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,799 Speaker 1: So Tutor arrived in London following the Battle of Bosworth Field, 73 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: which is the most British sounding name for a field 74 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: I could think of. That happened in the August five 75 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: and that's kind of the event that you know, you 76 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: can sort of mark as the beginning of this epidemic. Uh, 77 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: it's it's started about three weeks later, on the nineteenth 78 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: of September in fourteen eighty five. Uh, we don't really 79 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: know who patient zero was exactly, um, but it kind 80 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: of spread pretty widely, at least in the region where 81 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: it first appeared. It became it was it was remarked 82 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: upon as a new kind of sickness. Has it been 83 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: plague plague times? Not not plague time. But the people 84 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: were aware of these kinds of diseases. It was a 85 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: big deal. The plague killed an obscene number of people 86 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: in the uh hundreds, The Black Death, the bubonic plague, 87 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: you know the Do you know that they call those 88 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: things the pus filled boils? They call them bubas, yeah, bubos. 89 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I've always found that comical sounding, but it's 90 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: obviously not comical at all. This is gonna sound weird 91 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: out of context. But when I was really going through 92 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: my black Plague phase, I had a fish named Bubbos. 93 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I was just I don't know my young 94 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: way connecting it. I love that movie A fish called Bubbos. 95 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: A fish called Bubbos, Yeah yeah, yeah. It's a spinoff 96 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: of the earlier film The Navigator. Uh so you're right, 97 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: between thirteen forty six and thirteen fifty three. This unprecedented 98 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: wave of bubonic plague devastated the known world, and it 99 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: had such an impact that people alive in the late 100 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: fourteen hundreds were very much aware of this. The world 101 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: population was still struggling to cover. Over twenty million people 102 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: in Europe alone died because of the bubonic plague. This 103 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: is serious, serious stuff, and as a better off fact, 104 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: a bit of a tangent, we can see the consequences 105 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: of the bubonic plague in twenty today. In fact, some 106 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: people in parts of Europe are born naturally genetically resistant 107 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: to uh HIV infection due to historians believe the bubonic plague. 108 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: But to your point, sweating sickness does not seem to 109 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: be related to the plague. You didn't get bubos with it, 110 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: you didn't have some of the same signs of transmission. 111 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: As far as medical authorities at the time could tell, 112 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: Sweating sickness just sort of popped up randomly in different locations, 113 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: and it was they found some patterns. They said, Okay, 114 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: it's always after a long period of rainfall, or it's 115 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: always after flooding, and usually it affects two demographics of people. 116 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: Either the very very wealthy or the very very poor. Okay, 117 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: my bad. I said it affected the wealthy, uh, disproportionately, 118 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: but apparently it was proportionately with the poor. Uh What 119 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: what about the middles? What? What? What? How they get 120 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: out of it? What's what's the deal with that? I 121 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: don't understand. Were they just spared by the sweat gods, 122 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: England soldiers on man, you know, England and doors or however? 123 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: How did they say that in v for Vendetta. Well, 124 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: if you're a fan, you know that what we're talking about. Yeah, 125 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: you're right. It is a bit of a mystery, isn't it. 126 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: For those historians of epidemiology, we know that the disease 127 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: was deadly. It killed thousands of people, and just like 128 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: parts of the world today with the coronavirus pandemic, people 129 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: were terrified. They were they were panicking, and they were 130 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: panicking because not only were people of the time very 131 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: unclear on how the disease spread, but we all also 132 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: knew that it could kill people at an incredibly quick rate. 133 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: Like if you traveled back to London in this time, 134 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: you could spend a day there and you would hear 135 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: multiple people just you would overhear them as you walk 136 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: by talking about how they saw someone drop dead in 137 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: the street with no no like, no preface, no pre 138 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: existing condition. Maybe they're just kind of sweaty. And then yeah, 139 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: like in the same way that like, you know, maybe 140 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: for coronavirus, the fever is a big indicator. With this one, 141 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: it was the sweat. So if you see someone sweating profusely, 142 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: you probably we're gonna steer clear. Uh. It's pretty interesting. Um. 143 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: It was like, like we said, it was really out 144 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 1: of control in London. Um. And we have this delightful 145 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: and that's the wrong word entirely. I say it's delightful 146 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: because it's written in this kind of old English style 147 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: account of one of these moments that you're describing, ben 148 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: by Thomas forrest here. Uh Forrestier, he's a Frenchman. Uh, 149 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: and he had this to say about such an encounter. 150 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: We saw two priests and this is me interpreting this 151 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: old English writing, so bearing with me it might be fun. Uh. 152 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: We saw two priests standing to gator and speaking to Gator, 153 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,599 Speaker 1: and we saw both of them die suddenly. Also in 154 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: Dae Proximy, we saw see the whiff of a tailor 155 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: taken and saddenly died. Another young man walking by the 156 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: street fell down suddenly. That was a weird one. I 157 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: feel like I was lapsing into like Russian and then 158 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: like a little bit of Irish, and I don't know, 159 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: I was just reading it phonetically, but I think the 160 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: takeaways he saw two priests talking, uh, and then he 161 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: saw one of them die suddenly. Yeah, it makes you 162 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: think right close and a tailor as well, a tailor 163 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: nearby in proximy, I assume means in the same area, 164 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: there was a tailor who also suddenly died. I think maybe, 165 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: and maybe we all care, but I think it could 166 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: be proximity, as in a little bit later in time. 167 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: But either way, either way we know either like right 168 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: in the same location, that's probably right, it's probably the 169 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: same location. Well, then there's a third one. There's also 170 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: a young man walking by the street also fell down soddenly, 171 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: but we don't know if he died. Yeah, because at 172 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: that point we can only uh, we can only imagine 173 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: that our French physician decided caution was the better part 174 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: of valor and ran away. Yes, sir, so the symptoms 175 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: were incredibly swift. Okay, you I said there were no 176 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: pre existing conditions. What we mean by that is it's 177 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: not a situation where over the course of eight days 178 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: you would see someone steadily degrade. Instead, just a few 179 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: hours before they died. From what we understand, the them 180 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: would start having cold shivers, severe pains in the head 181 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: and their neck, and then that would be followed by 182 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: those notorious hot sweats and finally an overpowering urge to 183 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: take a snooze. And um it's it's strange because there 184 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: are also other symptoms that are reported. Right, according to 185 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: past medical history dot co dot uk, people said that 186 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: the sufferers smelled bad. I don't want to be rude, 187 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: but I do want to point out that in Europe 188 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: and in England in the late four hundreds, hygiene was 189 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: a different game. So for someone to smell noticeably bad, 190 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: it would be something that was incredibly apparent to someone 191 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: living in Right, we're just showering less often. We didn't 192 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: have a whole industry to make a smell less human. Yeah, 193 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: it was just a smelly time. Remember the stink of London. 194 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a thing it was in general, 195 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: it was a smelly town, you know, there would be 196 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: there like, wasn't proper indoor plumbing yet, I mean there 197 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: was was there? The great stink of London is what 198 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: caused those uh advancements in plumbing, right, yeah, because at 199 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: the time before that, even after that, one of the 200 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: most common ways of disposing sewage or food waste from 201 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: your house was to throw it in the gutter, which 202 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: was in the middle of the street. So it was 203 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: it was rough. And we have the description from our 204 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: French physician about what the disease looked like. And remember 205 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: this is a learned individual and he, you know, is 206 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: still writing in that same language which we tragedy aside. 207 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: I think the three of us find it. It's somewhat delightful, 208 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: so he says, and the sickness coming with a great 209 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: sweeting and stinking. We read niece of the face and 210 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: the vould body, and of a continual fust with a 211 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: great hit and hi dick because of the fumes and 212 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: the venoms all over the place. With that, do you 213 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: see how what it makes you do? Though the fumes 214 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: he sound like inspector clus you know for a second there, 215 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: I love it. And we're not making fun of anybody 216 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: because these people aren't alive anymore, and nobody talks like 217 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: this anymore. So we've got Carte blanched to go to town. Yeah, 218 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: and and and you know, to be honest, not to 219 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: talk too much about the acting process here, but it's 220 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: a it's a French physician writing in old English. So 221 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: there's some layers. I'm kidding. That was just that was 222 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: just a garbage accident. But an even scarier thing about 223 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: this is that we know that this was not just 224 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: one phase, right, There wasn't just one epidemic, right, No, 225 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: And you know, and again it's interesting one to do 226 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: doing right now because we're in a we're in a 227 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: time right now where a lot of governors and a 228 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: lot of the states are like reopening and kind of 229 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: just talk about like, oh, let's just send kids back 230 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: to school. Uh, and uh, we haven't even seen the 231 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: second wave yet of our personal pandemic. And um, if 232 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: history is to be believed, and it should be and 233 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: often repeats itself, if it's not, um, then you know, 234 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: we could be looking at at a pretty nasty situation 235 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: with a second wave. And that's what happened here. Um, 236 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: much like the second wave of the Spanish flu of 237 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen. From fourteen eighty five through fifteen fifty one, 238 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: they had five epidemics of this uh very very dangerous 239 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: sickness UM that absolutely just burned its way through England 240 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: UM and then also made its way into Europe UM 241 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: and and it had like what are we looking at 242 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: for coronavirus? The mortality rate is super low compared to this. 243 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: This was thirty to fifty percent mortality rates. That's bonkers, 244 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: Like that's I mean, you know, you think we're living 245 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: in a panic situation right now. Can you imagine if 246 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: of the people that contracted COVID nineteen just dropped dead 247 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: on the spot. Yikes. And another difference here is that 248 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: the sweating and sickness, when it came on so fast 249 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: and so uh intensely, it also led to a quick recovery. 250 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: The idea was if you were one of the fifty 251 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: to seventy lucky percent who would not die in the 252 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: first few hours of exhibiting symptoms, once you got two 253 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: hour twenty four, you were kind of out of the woods. 254 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: They were guessing because nobody knew how to prevent this, 255 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: nobody knew how to treat it. They just knew people 256 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: started sweating, and then they died. That outbreak in five 257 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: lasted until late October and then it disappeared a kaiser 258 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: associated for several years. You would hear some aller reports 259 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: of smaller outbreaks at the you know, every so often 260 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: every blue moon until that is fifteen o seven. Don't 261 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: call it a come back, or do call it a 262 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: come back because the sweating sickness returned, and people who 263 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,719 Speaker 1: were alive in four five and it lived through that 264 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: hellish time instantly knew that this was the same disease, 265 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: the same infection had come calling again. And then it's subsided. 266 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: And people thought, okay, second wave, we survived, right, But 267 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: they were wrong. Yeah, I think like you said, there 268 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: were five waves, um, and they were absolutely wrong. And 269 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: then the third wave in fifteen seventeen hit and that 270 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: was even more severe um. And that actually made it 271 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: across the English channel to Calais. I love Calais. I've 272 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: always loved when people talk about Calais, cal Calais, Oh 273 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: frept justus day. Isn't that from Alice in Wonderland? No? Wait, jabberwocky, Yeah, 274 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: there we go. But it still seemed to be that 275 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: the English were the ones that were bearing the brunt 276 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: of this UM that it was almost like a cursed 277 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of situation in UM. It reached its peak epidemic 278 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: level proportions once again UM, this time spreading into Europe. Hamburg, Switzerland, Sweden, 279 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: Norway and Denmark were all affected, but none of them 280 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: got hit nearly as hard as England UM, and at 281 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: the time French ambassador named Cardinal du Belllet described it 282 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: as the easiest disease in the world to die of. Yeah. Yeah. 283 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: In June of he put the facts pretty plainly. He said, 284 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: you have a slight pain in the head and at 285 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: the heart all at once, you begin to sweat. There's 286 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: no need for a physician. They're taken off without languishing, uh. He. 287 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: He also talked about the escalation of the number of 288 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: deaths in the pandemic wave that you described. Noel, He says, 289 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: about two thousand have been attacked by in London. Twelve 290 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: years ago when the same thing happened, ten thousand people 291 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: died in the space of ten or twelve days, but 292 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: it was not so sharp as it's now beginning to be. 293 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: Everybody's terribly alarmed. He's almost like a he is almost 294 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: like one of those medical experts in the very end 295 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: of very beginning of who are telling us this is 296 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: going to be bad? Uh? He predicted a rise. The 297 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: last major outbreak of the disease sweating sickness, occurred in 298 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: England in fifteen fifty one, and after this it's disappeared 299 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: completely and hasn't been seen since so far. I hate 300 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: to do it. I have I have to drop so far. 301 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: Of course you do, um. And you know, I actually 302 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: posted a thing on my Instagram story a couple of 303 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: weeks ago that was just kind of like adding insult 304 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: to injury. It was an article from the New York 305 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: Times saying, bubonic plague found in Chinese herdsman. You know, 306 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: it's like, of course it was. It turns out they 307 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: find it every now and then, right, Yeah, it's certainly 308 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: it's a thing, Like so, I know it was. I 309 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: definitely was being alarmist about it, like, yeah, okay, great, 310 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: we got plagues of locusts and you know, disease and 311 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: uh famine and you know all of this stuff and 312 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: wildfires in Australia. Now we got bubonic plague again. Yeah, 313 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: I've got one closer to home for you. I did 314 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: a story for this on on Strange News Daily. So 315 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: those two Mongolian brothers who tested positive for the plague, 316 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: they were locked down. You're right, it does happen um 317 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: more often and gets reported. Squirrels in Colorado tested positive 318 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: for bubonic plague like this week, tight love that did 319 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: you say tight? I did say tight? But what's the deal? 320 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: So are we are we immune? Are we like inoculated 321 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: against that? Or I mean, I know you can just 322 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: treat it with like uh uh penicilla um, but with 323 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: like why why why is there why would that not 324 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: spread in the way that novel coronavirus is spread if 325 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: squirrels have it. Well, in the case of bubonic plague, 326 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: there's some good news which arrived too late to save 327 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: the millions of victims in the Dreds. There's like a 328 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: very small chance that you might get bubotic plague. And 329 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: if you did, humanity as a cure. Now, so we 330 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: can we can cure the plague. That's why when you 331 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: see those reports of like prairie dogs in the western 332 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: part of the US having plague, you shouldn't freak out. 333 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, animals are reservoirs of disease. Armadillo's can get leprosy, 334 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: which I think is just patently unfair to them. They've 335 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: got a lot going against them already. I did know that, 336 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: and you can probably catch it, right. Could you catch 337 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: it from touching an armadillo? I know, as leproty supposed 338 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: to be like intensely communicable. You know that. I don't. 339 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that you can and steer clear 340 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: of armadillas because they're weird little bastards. Anyway, I don't 341 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: think you should handle armadilla's general. I'm I'm a hands 342 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: off armadillo policy kind of guy. I want to go 343 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: to your point, Noel, because said something that I think 344 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: it mystifies me about this case, and I think we 345 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of get to an answer about why this happens. 346 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: But as you said, one of the most mysterious aspects 347 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: of this mysterious disease, the English sweats, was that the 348 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: upper class of England, especially rich young dudes, seemed particularly 349 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: vulnerable to it. That's right, um, unlike you know the 350 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: plague which spared none, the bubonic plague, and seemingly much 351 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: like I hate to harp on it, keep coming back 352 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: to it, but here we are coronavirus. It seems to 353 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: spare the very young, um, well, not the very old 354 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: in the coronavirus case, but in this case it did. 355 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: It seemed to spare the very young and the very old, uh, 356 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: the English sweats. It also didn't ever spread to Scotland, 357 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: by the way, so that's why they call it the 358 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: English sweats specifically, or Ireland or Wales specifically, London, England, 359 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: and then a little bit in Europe some of these 360 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: other countries that we mentioned. It was very commonly seen 361 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: in rural areas, but very common as well in um 362 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: areas where nobility, uh we're kicking around, especially in London 363 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 1: and the student populations of some of these very high 364 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: prestige universities Oxford and Cambridge. Cardinal Wolsey UM actually had 365 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: a brush with the disease two times, and that he 366 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: got it twice uh and and luckily for him, he 367 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: was able to recover both times. But a lot of 368 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: the folks that were in his household, like his staff, uh, 369 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: did not end up being so lucky. A lot of 370 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: folks did flee to Ireland, Scotland and France just to 371 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: die there. You know, there's there's there's no uh, what 372 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: is it there's no geographical solution for a spiritual problem, 373 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: or in this case, you know, a deadly disease. Yeah, 374 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: and it started to take root in the zeitgeist, the 375 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: popular culture of the time. You know a disease is 376 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: serious when people start giving it street names, like coronavirus 377 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: has been called the rota. For instance, the sweating sickness 378 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: got the nickname stop Gallant, Stop gallant because it stopped 379 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: so many young gallants. Uh. And and monasteries seem particularly vulnerable. 380 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: You might think that monasteries are maybe not part of 381 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: the upper class. They occupy a unique position though, because 382 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: monasteries are centers for literacy, right, They're they're academic in 383 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: many ways. Um, but one outbreak didn't affect monasteries near 384 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: as much, not because they practice better hygiene, but because 385 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: monasteries were dissolved by then. There is one theory, and 386 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to see what you thought about this, the 387 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: theory that people in the lower rungs of the socioeconomic ladder, 388 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: which were the majority of people there. Uh, there's this 389 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: theory that they were able to weather this storm of 390 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: disease a little bit better because they had just been 391 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: exposed to more disease kind of like to let your 392 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: kids get dirty theory, I guess mm hmm exactly let 393 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: him just go around licking door knobs and stuff. No, 394 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: definitely not anymore ever again oh boy um, but yeah, 395 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I wonder about this sometimes been 396 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: you know, we say, oh, I've got a strong immune system, 397 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: like because I'm you know, a filthy, disgusting man. Is 398 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: that true? What do you what do you know about 399 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: the science behind this idea of boosting your immune system 400 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: by like living in squalor. Well, I am not a doctor. 401 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: Neither you. Neither is Casey. So this is not medical advice. 402 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: You can't see the zoom, folks. But I'm waving my 403 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: hands yeah in an emphatic, furious way. So that is 404 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: not us saying go lick the floor or go get 405 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: your kids to play in horse poop or something. Those 406 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: are both just bad ideas. Both of those sound like 407 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: really solid insults, say go lick the floor or go 408 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: tell your kids to play in horse poop. Here we go, 409 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: just put just putting that out there. I don't know, 410 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, I had a realization is thinking about places 411 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: that we can't go and this year and probably beginning 412 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: next year and and miss the Renaissance Fair festival or 413 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: whatever it's called. And uh, you know, proost is right 414 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: in remembrance of things past. The sense of smell is 415 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: our primary gateway into memory. And when I think of 416 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: Renaissance Festival, I smell, you know, like beer, and I 417 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: smell those nor miss delicious turkey legs. But I also 418 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: smell horsepoop with nostalgia totally. Um, yeah, no, absolutely is 419 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: a very powerful sense memory. I have that for the 420 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: circus as well. I can think of popcorn and uh 421 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: an elephant poop, which is pretty much the same as horsepoop. 422 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: It smells very similar. Uh. But we're not here to 423 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: talk about animal feces. We're here to figure out what 424 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: the hell happened to the English sweats. How could something 425 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: that had just ravaged the land and with no medical 426 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: answer of any kind just kind of sweated itself out? 427 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: O good turner phrase there, man. Uh we know that. 428 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: In eight one UH fellow named Dr Arthur board Year 429 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: wrote a paper that he sent to the Anthropology Society 430 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: of Paris, where he said he proposed a pretty racist 431 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: thing that maybe had the predecessor of genetic research in there. 432 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: His theory was the sweating sickness effects appeared to affect 433 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: people who were English, but really was affecting people who 434 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: were descended from Anglo Saxon's and people who were descended 435 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: from the Celts were spared because of some inherent inborn 436 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: resistance or because of some Anglo Saxon vulnerability. This is 437 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that that counted as a scientific 438 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: research back then. But you know, it's weird that Henry 439 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: the Eighth took the pole position. In our headline today 440 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: we mentioned that the actions of his father may have 441 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: led to I don't know, probably, I'm gonna say it 442 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: probably led to the sweating sickness entering England. But why 443 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: why are we talking about Henry the eighth? What what 444 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: on earth does he have to do with the English sweats? Well, 445 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: he is Henry the eighth, the as Henry the eighth, 446 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: the as he is. Uh And it actually there's a 447 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: theory that it possibly led to him becoming king because 448 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: uh um, you know, there was such high instance of 449 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: infection among the royal class it possibly affected or rerouted 450 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: kind of historical events. So in fifteen o two, Arthur, 451 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: who was the Prince of Wales died quite suddenly and 452 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: unexpectedly the age of fifteen. This was just six months 453 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: after he married Catherine of Aragon. That sounds familiar. Um, well, 454 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. There was no official like record 455 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: of of what his cause of death was, but a 456 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: lot of folks in the historical circles believe that he 457 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: was another one of the long list of nobles that 458 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: succumbed to the sweating sickness. So he was the oldest 459 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: man in the family, and he would have become king 460 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: had he not died at fifteen, So his younger brother, 461 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: Henry the Duke of York got the job instead and 462 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: was crowned. Um. And that Henry the Duke of York 463 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: became the Henry the Eighth of legend that we know 464 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: so well. And he ended up marrying his brother's widow, 465 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: Catherine of Aragon. She was, in fact the first of 466 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: those six wives that that he uh you know, burned 467 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: through uh, much like the sweating sickness burned through the land. 468 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: Henry was not a good dude. Um. But yeah, if 469 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't for potentially sweating sickness, he might never have 470 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: had the opportunity, yep, to be the full piece of 471 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: work that he ended up being hold the phone. Uh, 472 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: we we're doing we're doing that thing again. Um, where 473 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: we've already gone long, We're only halfway through the amazing 474 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: research materials that we have. We think this one deserves 475 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: a two parter. We're really not just trying to mess 476 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: with you, lovely, lovely listeners. Um, we just try to 477 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: we we try to have a standard. We try to 478 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: keep our episodes in the thirty five to forty minute range. 479 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: And um, this one is looking to be a doozy. 480 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: So we're gonna come back to you with a part 481 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 1: two of the English Sweats. Yeah, peek behind the scenes. Uh, 482 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: Casey starts indicating to us there's this sort of a 483 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: storm cloud that so slowly builds across his brow. We're 484 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: getting too long. So thanks as always to you, super producer, 485 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: Casey Pagraham. Thanks to Gabe Loes Yeah, our research north Star. 486 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alex Williams, who composed the perfect soundtrack to 487 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: this story of the Sweating Sickness. If you wish, you 488 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: can follow us on social media. 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You promised you'd 509 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: bomb our zooms, but you haven't showed up yet. I'm 510 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: actually starting to miss you, and I hope you're Okay, 511 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: keep up that loot practicing. We'll see your next oplix. 512 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the I 513 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 514 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.