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Speaker 1: gotta tell everybody about a handful of things. Tell everybody

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Speaker 1: about the egg rolls you made. The Boutellis has had

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Speaker 1: the Ronella's for dinner. Yeah, for the first time. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I've eaten over at your

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Speaker 1: house first. You know what. Your wife's just never joined you.

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Speaker 1: She's always been out, and I've just had you and

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Speaker 1: the kids over. I think it was the first formal

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Speaker 1: total potla is total runella formal dinner. Sure was loud

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Speaker 1: You have five kids in there, it's yeah, and he's

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Speaker 1: don't help either, But yeah, we're making fun, which if

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Speaker 1: you don't know what fun is, it's basically a bowl

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Speaker 1: of very hot broth that's traditionally made from oxtail. I

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Speaker 1: used wild game stock PHO. I'll point out, Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: you add to the stock a bunch of very aromatic

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Speaker 1: If I was on a hill and someone was eating

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Speaker 1: you know, And I figured be nice that their you know,

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Speaker 1: He got me into wrestling when I was five years

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Speaker 1: you want your daughter to go into UFC? I couldn't. No. No,

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Speaker 1: and then get flash knocked out again. You're saying in boxing,

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Speaker 1: we're all too damn hardheaded to be like I'm done,

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Speaker 1: Like let's keep going jump back in there. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of in my opinions, a lot of

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Speaker 1: But he had been a high school college football player.

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Speaker 1: it was a little over a year ago, took his

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Speaker 1: we would train, UM. We have all these now training

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00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: partners on one location. So I got guys that were

427
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: in favor of the world champion at that at that time. UM,

428
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: so I'm training with straight out of college with some

429
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: with the world multiple world champions, UM, learning the ropes

430
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: and how to fight and like all the techniques. And

431
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: UM did that for three months and what was that

432
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: uh supportive atmosphere? Like were they they invested in you

433
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: and in getting you uh improved him? Yeah for sure.

434
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: And that's what was so cool about that team. It

435
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: felt just like a bunch of brothers. Like everyone came

436
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: from the n C double a mentality, like the wrestling

437
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: mentality you guys had a little bit shared exactly. We

438
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: all knew each other and we all wrestled against each

439
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: other or on the same team. Some of us um

440
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: in college and so coming together everyone, you know, it

441
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: was it was really cool. Everyone's pretty close. Everyone's helping

442
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: each other out for fights, and um, I did that

443
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: for three months before I had my first pro fight.

444
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: UM and I still remember. This guy's name was uh,

445
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: Incarnacion was his last name. He had a whiffleball bat

446
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: for a leg. One leg was like, I don't know

447
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,719
Speaker 1: what the hell had happened. Maybe he got in an

448
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: accident as a kid, but he was um uh really

449
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: high class kickboxer, and so you know, he's jacked everywhere

450
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: as other legs all jacked, and he has this one

451
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: like really skinny leg all the way from the top

452
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: of the big birth or yellow just yeah yellow, not

453
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: the red guy. Nope. And I remember going out there

454
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: and I it was like like, like what do you mean,

455
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: like because it had been specially developed as like, yeah,

456
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: I think he I don't know if it was a

457
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: birth defect or if he got an accident like I said,

458
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: but there was like not a lot of muscle on it,

459
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: but holy sh it, did he throw that sucker like

460
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: it was a blade. Yeah, he would like head kick

461
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: people knock him out with that thing. Yeah, And so

462
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: I remember going out exactly. We trained a lot for that,

463
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: and he threw that thing at me in the first

464
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: like fifteen seconds and I moved and I remember it

465
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: just whizzing by my head and I'm like, dude, you

466
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: cannot get hit with that thing. I've never being a

467
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid man, you remember, like

468
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: remember like the Chicago Bears had their big deal where

469
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: they like won Super Bowl, like Fridge Perry and all

470
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: that ship. I remember, like it's like probably the last

471
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: sports interview I listened to was Fridge Perry was talking

472
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: about why he like black shoes. She said that people

473
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: see those black shoes and they think you're gonna be slow.

474
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: Then you smoke him something in that leg. He's like,

475
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 1: oh yeah, dude, people are like not paying any attention

476
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: to that leg. And all of a sudden, that cold

477
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: guy has to be it, man, because I remember watching

478
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: highlights of that guy and just like studying up on

479
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: him before I fought him, and he had multiple head

480
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: kick knockouts with that thing, and I'm like, that thing

481
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: is brutal. I won. I took him down I'm not

482
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: getting kicked at that damn thing. And I took him

483
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: down and choked him out, and like, I don't know

484
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, you know, and I remember

485
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: getting up just feeling so pumped, like this is this

486
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: is pretty freaking cool. I just got paid to beat

487
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: somebody up and that was good money, right yeah, I

488
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: mean yeah, change to college. It was only a couple

489
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: of grand. But you know, going from no no money

490
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: as a college student to a couple of grand in

491
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, I'm like, signed me up. In

492
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: the second you turn, remember like selling my first magazine stories.

493
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 1: The second you turn something that's generally cost you money

494
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: and it's something that makes you money is a triumphant feeling.

495
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: It feels so good Like therese, you're like, sucker. Yeah,

496
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: So what what made like someone that self describes themselves

497
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: as a softie, Like what made you be a like

498
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: be pumped up about beating somebody up? I think it

499
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: was more of just a success thing. You know. I

500
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: was so nervous going into it because I didn't know

501
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: how the hell I was gonna do. You know, coming

502
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: off of wrestling, I was I was the main in wrestling.

503
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: I was an n C double A runner up, two

504
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: time All American in college, and so I'm like, I

505
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: got a lot, Like there's so much pressure that people

506
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: are are expecting me to come in here and do

507
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: really well. What if I go out there and get

508
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: headcacked and knocked out by that football bat, you know?

509
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: And so there was just for me. I remember feeling

510
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: super nervous, Like I remember walking because at that point,

511
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: it wasn't um a cage, it wasn't an octagon, it

512
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: was a boxing ring. So I remember walking, you know.

513
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: And it was basically in my hometown, so I had

514
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: tons of people that I knew from high school and

515
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 1: growing up and watching me, and I'm like, man, I

516
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: can't please, don't screw this up. And uh. And so

517
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: I went out there and was successful in a couple

518
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: of minutes, and I just remember just being like, Yes,

519
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: that was freaking awesome, Like I want to do it again.

520
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the main reasons. It's

521
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: just the success part of it, like like filling the

522
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: relief all the hard work, knowing that you just killed

523
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: yourself for that whole training camp to go in there

524
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: and within a couple of minutes, you know, not getting

525
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: beat up at all and just being successful. So you

526
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: probably get people ask you this is probably annoying, but

527
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: did you get a lot of fights in your little

528
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: kid I got a few. Yeah, not not because I

529
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: chose to. I was a tiny little guy, Like I

530
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: was eighty pounds my freshman year in high school. Like

531
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I was so small. Yeah, and so like my whole life,

532
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: I got picked Like I would get picked on and

533
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: then I would just whoop their ass, like guys would

534
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: come up to me thinking that they were just gonna

535
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: bully me. And I mean, like I said, I started

536
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: wrestling at five years old. So did you grow up

537
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: Did you grow up poor, like in a poor neighborhood. No,

538
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: not too much. I grew up in like a little

539
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: farm town. Why is everybody fighting and beat each other up?

540
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, man um just a fighting town. Yeah,

541
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ghetto nous too, like it's a

542
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: farm town. But there's also because it's in California, Yeah,

543
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: you know what you mean, Like it's hard to picture,

544
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: but there's a kind of a weird there's like agricultural

545
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: areas in California that it's different than the area in Indiana,

546
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: like like things are kind of more compressed like worlds

547
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: Clyde a little bit exactly. We had such a melting

548
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: pot of races and just tons, you know, tons of

549
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: different types of people there. You got one side of

550
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: the town it's all the farmers who, like you said,

551
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: the agg people. And then you go over here and

552
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: it's um, you know, low class, just pretty ghetto people

553
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: that are living a rough life, you know. And then

554
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: you go on this side and you've got people with

555
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: tons of money, you know, living in these big mansions,

556
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: you know. And so it's kind of just a mix

557
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: of a little bit of everything. But man, I just

558
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: I remember as a kid being terrified right in the

559
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: school bus because we'd have people that were fighting on

560
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: I didn't like fighting, Like, it's not something I like

561
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: sought after as a kid. Um, but there would be

562
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: people picking on other people all the time, getting fights,

563
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: and dude, it was not something I enjoyed. But it's

564
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: you know how old you thirty four? Yeah, sound like

565
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: twelve years older than you, but longer reach Like I'm older.

566
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: It's even another advantage I have, right, Um, my kids

567
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: now in school, so they're five, seven and nine and

568
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: the Latin. The intolerance these days at school of people

569
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: like beating people up. It's just like it's like you

570
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: don't beat people up and you don't bully people. I

571
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: remember things happening when I was a kid, like on

572
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: the school bus that I just can't even imagine now.

573
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: There was I don't want to say the kid's names

574
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: he's still around, and I don't want to say the

575
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: girl's name because she's still around. But there was a

576
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: girl that would ride our school buss and she would

577
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: get off the school boss. This is in junior high.

578
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: She would get off the school bus and as she

579
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: walked up her driveway, the same kid every day would

580
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: roll down his windows and yell out and call her repeatedly,

581
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: hay thunder thighs, thunder thighs, thunder thighs. Every single day.

582
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh you couldn't do that, and like just to have

583
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: it be though. It's just he's just harassing her about

584
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: the shape of her body. No big deal, dude, And

585
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: like they're just the brutality that kids get away with me.

586
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: It's amazing, Like kids are like kids are awful. Man.

587
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: You gotta it's like real Lord of the fly. Gotta

588
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: kind of go. You gotta like governed kids. Man, I agree,

589
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: And that's I'm kind of terrified. I mean, this same

590
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: age with all the social media stuff and where we've

591
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: come as a society. Like I'm terrified for my baby girl,

592
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: Like what what the hell is she going to be

593
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: like when she's in high school? You know, Like what

594
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: am I going to have to do? How many kids

595
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: am I gonna have to beat up to keep her safe?

596
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: You know? And that's I don't know, that's just something

597
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm terrified, But I think that's why we need to

598
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: have another sibling and hope that you know, it's either

599
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: it's a girl and they're really close, or a boy

600
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: that can just whoop the mass. My daughter screwed something

601
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: up on the boss like, which I don't I still

602
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: don't understand the full story, but um, she can get

603
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: on the bus in the right way. But we heard

604
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: from a teacher that my little boy went into her

605
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: classroom and just read her the Riot Act about no way. Yeah,

606
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: how worried it was. That's cool? Yeah, that's really I

607
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: guess you just tore down right in front of everybody.

608
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Did not like it? Don't make me worry like that? Did? Uh?

609
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: So what was your induction the hunting and fishing. It

610
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: wasn't young young, so I started hunting and fishing. I

611
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: grew up here in central California, UM Blacktaill up in

612
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: um D D seven was the zone I grew up

613
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: hunting near Shaver Lake and Dinky Creek and um, me

614
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: and my dad and my brothers. I don't know what

615
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: it was. They were never as into it as I was.

616
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: But um, I think just through some buddies growing you know,

617
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: not not even growing up. I think it was kind

618
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: of later in life. Um, but I mean I remember

619
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: just having this this weird like I would Hunting to

620
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: me was like one of my most favorite things to do.

621
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: Like I remember, here's a story. Like me and my brother.

622
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: My dad used to like, um like discipline us with hunting,

623
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: like you're not going hunting and I would ball yeah,

624
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: like I remember you are going hunting. Yeah, no, you're

625
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: not going hunting. And I remember, so this one story

626
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: I had this kid, you would use it as like

627
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: a weaponize it. Yeah. I think that would work very

628
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: well with your son. Oh god, oh yeah, my older

629
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: boy because he boy, he's sensitive to he wouldn't like

630
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: to get excluded but yeah, i'd tear him all. Yeah,

631
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't so. I remember one time, me my brother,

632
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: I was probably six or seven, and my dad. It

633
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: was a um Friday. He just my dad owns the

634
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: cabinet business, so he would he's obviously self employed, but

635
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: he would be like, look after Friday or sorry, after

636
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: we're done Friday, Saturday morning, we're gonna get up. We're

637
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna gop. It's like a two hour drive before daylight,

638
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hunt Saturday, um all day Sunday and

639
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: come home Sunday night. So you guys an overnight, yeah,

640
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: camp and do all that stuff. He was, he was

641
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: pretty like he was into it. He was into it

642
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: as a kid. Want to take kids in tents and

643
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: ship and yeah, which I don't know. Yeah, that's another story.

644
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: But I remember I had this like star shaped metal

645
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: that I wanted a wrestling tournament, and I took the

646
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: ribbon part off, so it was just a star and

647
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: that was my Ninja Star and me and my brother

648
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: up in our bedrooms playing Ninja's that Friday night at

649
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: the drywall. Oh no window, my brother was, I was

650
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: in my room and then it was just an empty

651
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: doorway and then he was in the other room, and

652
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't know why I did this, but I tossed

653
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: it and I remember that one of the star edges

654
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: sticking in the window, just like breaking a hole and

655
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: sticking it and like just shattered around the edge. And

656
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: I mean these were pretty big windows in our in

657
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: our house, you know, And I just remember being like,

658
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: oh shit, like, don't tell dad, don't tell dad. I'm like,

659
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I run in there, take it up, and I'm like

660
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: trying to figure out a way to like keep it

661
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: covered from him finding And of course, like shortly he

662
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: comes up there to see what we're doing, and there's

663
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: a freaking hole in the window, and he lost his ship,

664
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: and needless to say, we're not going hunting tomorrow. And

665
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep on and I was so bummed due

666
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: to cry, like I cried. I think we just went

667
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: to bed right then because I was so upset. And uh,

668
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: I think overnight my dad realized it was an accident,

669
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: and he still got us up before. I remember him

670
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: coming in in the dark and loading us up in

671
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the in the truck and we headed up. But did

672
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: you guys have some successes kids? Um? Yeah, I mean

673
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of. I killed my very first buck up there. Um.

674
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: It was with my old PSC nova. I saved up

675
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: um my in high school. I saved up enough money

676
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: to um like I would mow lawns around our neighborhood,

677
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: and I bought a used PC nova um from a buddy,

678
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: and I killed my very first It was just a

679
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: little tiny forkspike um frontal shot clean pass through and

680
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: uh me, my brothers. It was me, my and my

681
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: two brothers and my dad went down. We found him,

682
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: followed him down this real deep deep canyon, got to

683
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: the bottom, and my dad was like, all right, so

684
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: we'll gut this showed us how to do all that.

685
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm gonna hike back up and I'm gonna

686
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: get the truck and I'm gonna try to find a

687
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: way to come down here because we're not pulling this

688
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: thing back up out of here. My dad gets lost,

689
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: and so we're just like, what the hell do we do?

690
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: We're sitting there in the dark with a dead deer.

691
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: My dad is like wandering through the woods at night,

692
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and luckily we like drug that thing out and another

693
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: hunter saw us, loaded it up, and we just told

694
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: him how to get back to our camp. Um, and

695
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: my dad was out there from most of the night.

696
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: Like he ended up finding his way back to the

697
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: truck eventually, and then I don't even remember what time

698
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: he going back, maybe to two or three in the morning. Um,

699
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: but yeah that was Yeah. I love this, Let's do

700
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: it again. But yeah, I mean I I was successful

701
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: then and like growing up, I was thinking about this

702
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: not too long ago. But my dad never really killed anything.

703
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just him always trying to

704
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: let us go first, but I killed that one. My

705
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: brothers never killed anything. And I think my dad killed

706
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: one other little two point um you know, years down

707
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: the road. Um, and that was pretty much it. I

708
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: think we only killed to two or three deer in

709
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: that area from when I started as a little kid

710
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: until I stopped hunting up there, which was basically after college.

711
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: Did you have all what kind of stuff you did,

712
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: like hunting, you know, be begun hunting and stuff. Yeah,

713
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I grew up doing all that, so um, yeah, there

714
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: was a lot of good trout fishing up up in

715
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: that area. Um. We would go up there and sometimes

716
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: pull over nighters where this was like one of my

717
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: favorite things to do, where we'd go up there, no tent,

718
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: no nothing um and there was one spot. If it

719
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: was a full moon, when the moon would come up

720
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: and over the hill in front of us, those trout

721
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: would go nuts on a globe, bobber and a cricket.

722
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: So we would just go out there and just sit

723
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: and wait. Sometimes that moon wouldn't come up till like midnight,

724
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: and you just sit there. Nothing would bite until then,

725
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone's kind of started getting down like, well,

726
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: maybe we're just not gonna catch anything. And sure enough,

727
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 1: as soon as that full moon would come up and over,

728
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: we would all limit out on trout like illuminated, illuminated

729
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: or whatever. And so we would do that from time

730
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: to time, and we sometimes we're just crashing the bed

731
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: of the truck for an hour or two and then

732
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: drive back home. But we wouldn't can't really wouldn't bring

733
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: anything for it. Just go up there and catch our

734
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: limit as soon as that moon came up and over,

735
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: and then we drive our two hours back home. When

736
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: you decided to start going into athletics, did you ever

737
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: sense that there was you were sort of making a

738
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: decision in life. You know, there's this Jim Harry I

739
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: can't remember how. There's this Jim Harrison quote where it's

740
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: something the effect of I think we're talking about like

741
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: ten year olds or something, and he's saying that where

742
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: he grew up, there was already a split. And like

743
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: you had your boys that had a baseball bat, a

744
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: baseball mitt on their bike, and you had your boys

745
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: with a fishing rod on their bike, and they might intermingle,

746
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: but they're kind of their paths in life for like

747
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. Set you defied that because now you're

748
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: done doing the one and you're like very dedicated at that,

749
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, hunter angler. But did you going off to

750
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: be so aggressive about athletics, did you, like ever did

751
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: occur to you that you're just gonna have no time? Yeah?

752
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: And that actually like this like a discipline right college

753
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: for me was I really had to put the outdoor

754
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: life on hold, um because you just couldn't be successful

755
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: in both. And it was tough for me, man, It

756
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: was really tough for me. In fact, I almost quit

757
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: wrestling my freshman year in college. I remember going through

758
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: the full season and having to cut back on what

759
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: I loved, absolutely love to do, probably more than anything, UM.

760
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: And I was just trying to find myself, like, is

761
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: this something I really want to pursue? Like I could

762
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: just go to college and be a normal person and

763
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: do all the things that I love to do as

764
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: far as the outdoors goes. And you got that one

765
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 1: buddy who's always calling you being like, man him down,

766
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: here's yep. And so it was brutal. Man I almost quit.

767
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: Luckily I had a really good coach in college, and

768
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: we sat down and he just kind of weighed out

769
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: the pros and cons and it kind of just put

770
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: things into perspective for me. On look, I can suffer now,

771
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: I can kill myself for these four years, and you know,

772
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: be successful and have something to where I can transfer

773
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: out of college into making money and be able to

774
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: do all that stuff for the rest of my life.

775
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: And so after like really like thinking about it and

776
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: putting that type of stuff in the perspective, I said,

777
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: all right, and I stuck with it. Had to keep

778
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: all that stuff on hold. I would still get out

779
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: from time to time, Like so I went to cal Poli,

780
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: which is right there in your past robles. Tons of

781
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: wild pigs in that area. So we would go out

782
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: from time to time and do some pig hunting. Um,

783
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: you know. But for the most part, my dear hunting,

784
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: pretty much everything got put on hold for four years,

785
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: for four years the more exactly. But what's great about

786
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: the fight game is fights fights can happen at any

787
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: time in the year. It's not like a season. So

788
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: I might get a fight scheduled. Um. And this happened

789
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: quite a few times right right before deer season would start.

790
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: So I would kill myself through the ten week training camp,

791
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: go out there, whoop this dude's but and now I

792
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: usually take like a good two to three weeks off

793
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: and let my body recover, depending on if I had

794
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: any injuries or anything like that. And so then that

795
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: would be my hunting time. Time to yourself. Um. There

796
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: was a point in my fight career where I started

797
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: to lose control and started doing a little bit too

798
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: much of the outdoor stuff, and I could tell my

799
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: training started stuffer. I was in the in the training room,

800
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: I was filling it, you know, getting tired when I

801
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: and get tired, you know. And another person that actually

802
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: sat me down was Uriah was like, look, man, He's like,

803
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: I see you're starting to struggle a little bit. Um,

804
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: I see you're on all these hunting and fishing trips,

805
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: like maybe we should cut that back a bit, and

806
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: uh see, I would. Yeah, it's funny because like you're

807
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: you're performing at such a high level that stuff like

808
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: that is regarded because like for most people who are

809
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: so sedentary, that was sort of like that was up

810
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: their game, you know what I mean, it would be like, oh,

811
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: you look great. It seems like you're getting out, you know,

812
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: and you have a little more energy now. But if

813
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: I have it be that that is like the slack

814
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: around I know, right, it's kind of weird. And I

815
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: mean the thing I think the things that made me

816
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of feel crummy in the in the workout room

817
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: and say you do a hunt where you're not eating

818
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: a ton of calories where my body's I'm used to

819
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: being on like a very strict routine when it comes

820
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: to diet, like making sure I get enough food and

821
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: the right kind of food where you're living off of

822
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: freeze dried mills and just eating kind of minimal stuff

823
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: for four or five, six sometimes a week. Um, you know,

824
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: and I'm not yeah I'm hiking, but my body's used

825
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: to redlining, you know, multiple times a day so it's

826
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: almost like taking a step back, which is which was

827
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: good from time to time, Like right after a fight,

828
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: after just killing myself for ten weeks, that's perfect. You know,

829
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe not so much the calorie part of it, but

830
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: not killing myself, not redlining my body where I'm just

831
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: hiking around glass ng sitting for a while. My body's recovering.

832
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: But you know, two or three months of that, it

833
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: kind of catches up and I would fill it when

834
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: I'd get in the in the gym and start training.

835
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 1: When I start spawning with guys and I'm getting fatigued

836
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, I'm like, all right, it's time.

837
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: So I did listen to favor. I cut back a

838
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: little bit, um started, you know, overcoming that type of

839
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: stuff in the training room. Luckily, it didn't ever affect

840
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: any of my fights because I was usually pretty smart

841
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: about like, look, if I have a fight, I have

842
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: to be serious here. But sometimes, you know, I would

843
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: fight one time a year. You know, it's I got

844
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: tons of time. Then I'm just like training, but I

845
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: don't really have a purpose. I don't have anything lined up.

846
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: You know, they're the US is like putting me kind

847
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: of on the shelf for now because they're waiting for

848
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: a certain match to happen, and then I fight the

849
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: winner of that fight. So I'm just like kind of

850
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: training for nothing, not training for nothing, but but way

851
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: more motivating. Yeah, and so I kind of get in

852
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: those types of years where it's like should I'd rather

853
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: be out chasing blacktail or something, you know? And so

854
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: that's why I would be kind of doing that for

855
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: two or three months at a time, and and I

856
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: would fill it in there. But did you know, Well,

857
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: let me ask I got two questions, load of questions,

858
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: but scrap that. Did you know? I'll ask you that

859
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: one later. Um, do you think, like, based on the

860
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: kind of person you are and what you realize about

861
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: yourself now, do you think you'd have been successful at

862
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: anything or do you think you just happened to hit

863
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: the thing you'd be successful at. Um. I think I

864
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: probably would find a way to become successful at anything.

865
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: I would like to help. It was it was that

866
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: it was like a drive to like do it. Yeah,

867
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: And I think that comes from the years of wrestling.

868
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: I I know, like in in college, like during the summer,

869
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: if I just didn't train, if I went like two

870
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: weeks without training, I feel like the biggest piece of ship.

871
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like guilty almost. And that's just

872
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: because I'm like so used to doing everything or doing

873
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: something every day, and I think even now that transfers

874
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: into my daily life, like and I'm running fins and feathers.

875
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: If if I don't tell people what it is that

876
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: we didn't do a good job of setting off. So

877
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: that's a company and me and a good buddy of

878
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: mine started back in two thousand fifteen. UM. What we

879
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: call it is like a celebrity outdoor service. So we

880
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: put together like a yearlong schedule of different species of

881
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: hunting trips all over the world, UM and fishing as

882
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: well mixed in there. UM. And what we do is

883
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: we have like twenty different celebrity pro staff members, which

884
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: are a bunch of different UFC fighters, pro ballplayers, actors,

885
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: PBR guys, just mix of different types of athletes and

886
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: celebrities you'd see on TV or watch playing their sport. UM.

887
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: And what we do is we book clients on those

888
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: trips and then we add one, two, sometimes even three

889
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: of our celebrities to join people on these trips, a

890
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: kind of hosting role exactly, and they'll hunt with you,

891
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: they fish with you, hang out and camp, have some

892
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: beers tell stories like just make it a new, like

893
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: unique experience, um, because there's a lot of guys that

894
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: have booked a ton of different things all over the

895
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: place and they kind of get to that point where

896
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: they're like, well this is just it's kind of boring

897
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: for me now, and so now they can kind of

898
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: mix it up. Or we do get a lot of

899
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: like bachelor party guys, Like for our fishing trips, we're

900
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: gonna come hang out with a bunch of different UFC

901
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: guys and drink beer and catch fish and you know

902
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. And so we launched it back in

903
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. Sixteen was our first full year,

904
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: and I honestly I had no clue how it was

905
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: going to do. Like I was like, is this going

906
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: to be kind of a conceited Like are people gonna

907
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: look at me and be like, do you're an idiot?

908
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: I ain't booking ship with you? Or people are gonna

909
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: love it and want to come do these cool hunts

910
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: with me or some of my buddies. And we sold

911
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: out like every trip that we had that year. We

912
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: sold out completely and I'm like, dude, we gotta we

913
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: gotta grow. We gotta add some trips for next year.

914
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: Like that was too easy. Yeah, you care if you

915
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: want to. If you're trying to look this up, it's

916
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: fins like with the Z so f I n Z.

917
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Chad's and Feathers is with the Z

918
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: as well. People in imagine by the type they type

919
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: in Chad Mendez fins, it'll yeah hopefully, Um, but yeah,

920
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: so we we just basically added from from two thousand

921
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: sixteen on. We've just added a few trips each year, um,

922
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: and we've sold out everything that we've done. So it's

923
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: been I mean it's pretty it's pretty rewarding for me

924
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: to know that people a just want to hang out

925
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: with these guys, but you know, taking something that I

926
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: have so much path about, you know, hunting, fishing, teaching people. Um,

927
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: we get a lot of guys that have never hunted,

928
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: never fish, that watch your guys a show a ton

929
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: and you know, they see Rogan, they see cam, they

930
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: see all these guys who are going out and you know,

931
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: killing their own meat and living off of that, you know,

932
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: And for me like being able to talk about that

933
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: in interviews that I was fighting, Like, look, I live

934
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: off of my wild game, like my training camps. The

935
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: meat that I eat during those camps is all the

936
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: stuff that I've killed throughout the year. Or even when

937
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: you're on like a super regimented diet, you're still putting

938
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: wild game. And yeah, that's like any any diet that

939
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: I've So I work with the RP Strength who is

940
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: a h It's a program that will create your diet

941
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: as well, and so that's who I use, um what

942
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: used to my training camps. But all the meat, I

943
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: can't understand. What I don't understand what that what that's

944
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: a that's like a consulting Yeah, basically like that you

945
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: give them all your info, um, your goals you know

946
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: obviously wait height like all that type of stuff, And

947
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: like I tell them, A, I have a fight in

948
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: ten weeks. I need to get down to this weight,

949
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: but I don't want to lose much muscle. So we

950
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: need to get as lean as like body fat lean

951
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: as possible while keeping as much muscle as I can

952
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: so that when I cut that last ten pounds of water, Um,

953
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: you know I don't I'm not dying. Um And so

954
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: then they put together a full diet plan for your

955
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: training camp, knowing how much your training, how much you

956
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: know working out you're doing each day. Detail pretty freaking detailed,

957
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: like um, maybe not quite down to the peanut. We're

958
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: talking like, um, like a meal would be like a

959
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: four rounds lean piece of meat, which any wild game

960
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: is is okay for that umty grams of complex carbs.

961
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: So like your whole oats brown, okay, down to the

962
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: peanut then, And I mean it's a lot of freaking work, dude,

963
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: it's I mean, meal prepping is a must. Like you can't.

964
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: You can't. I don't have a dial, and you follow

965
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: this thing and you'll get like yeah, and are you

966
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: doing your own meal prepping and cooking? Yeah? Yeah, I

967
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: love you don't have someone coming and do it. I wish,

968
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: but I'm too picky with my food. Man. I love cooking.

969
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: I love Here's here's how much I love it. When

970
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm cutting weight, Like I'm the week of the fight.

971
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm in my hotel room. I have wig ins in

972
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: two days and I'm sitting there watching the Food Channel,

973
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: watching these people all these delicious and they're just like, oh,

974
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make that I'm taking that right. So some people,

975
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: my wife's like, you're freaking insane, like why are you

976
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: watching this? And I just I don't know, it just

977
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: feels good to me. Tell me, what can you I

978
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: don't even know this word kenesiology? Canogy? You studied this

979
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: in college and then you went to like the highest

980
00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: level in terms of nutrition and body performance like professionally. Um,

981
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: when you look back at it all now, like your

982
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: formal education, everything you learn from watching sort of like

983
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: the world's top athletes getting the best shape they've ever

984
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: been in. What is your sort of interests in tolerance

985
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: and fad diets and stuff like do you do you

986
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: do you think there's like a magical formula and are

987
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: you always like trying new things out or do you

988
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: think there's just like like what's your diet theory your

989
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: diet philosophy. Yeah, I've never I don't think I've ever

990
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: tried any of these fat diets. Um. I see a

991
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: lot of people doing a lot of different things and

992
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: teach their own I mean, if I feel like every

993
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: human body is different, I think somebody's will you know,

994
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: will be okay and getting away with doing certain things

995
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: where other people's bodies will not put up with it UM.

996
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: I honestly think find what works best for you. Some

997
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: people could live solely off meat and nothing else and

998
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: feel great. Some people only want vegetables and that's that

999
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: works great for their body. Me, I've always been about

1000
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: balancing everything. Like I, I love carbs, I love vegetables,

1001
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: and I love meat Like I My my solid meal

1002
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: is a protein, a carb, and a vegetable. And whether

1003
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm cutting weight or not, like even during the weight cut,

1004
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: like I would always make sure I had that type

1005
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: of so like my those RP mills would be a say,

1006
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: like I said, a four ounce lean piece of meat,

1007
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: so like a venison steak, and I would have to

1008
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: weigh those out umty grams of carbs so like grams

1009
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: of brown rice um and like two cups of broccoli.

1010
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Or my favorite thing would be cucumbers with a little

1011
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: bit of rice wine mint aground them. Just kind of

1012
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: mix it up a little bit. That was it, man.

1013
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: That was something that I lived off of for ten weeks. Obviously,

1014
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: I mix it up, and towards the end of my career,

1015
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: I started getting really creative with it um because you

1016
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: can get away with like they have whole wheat um tortilla, say,

1017
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I can do four ounces of ground

1018
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: lean venison whole wheat tortilla or just however many would

1019
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: make up what I'm supposed to eat. And you know,

1020
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: you can get away with making like tacos or you know,

1021
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: because I make a little um piko to guiles salsa

1022
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: or something. It's all veggies. And so I know I

1023
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: need this amount of vegetables, this amount of protein, this

1024
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: amount of carbs. Throw that together. Now I'm now I'm

1025
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: eating something that's not boring. I would eat that anyways,

1026
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: you know. And so I would start getting creative towards

1027
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: the end. Um and mainly because I was kind of

1028
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: getting bored of eating the same things over and over.

1029
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: And when you're like hungry like that, do you just just

1030
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: feel like that just like punching someone. Oh dude, I

1031
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: get angry bad, I get really yeah. I get really

1032
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: emotional when I get hungry. I have zero zero patients.

1033
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: And my wife could probably attest to that too, but

1034
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: um yeah, man, it's I get really irritable, do you guys?

1035
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: Is that just I get so irritable? You can watch Steve.

1036
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: You give him what's your take on alcohol. I drink it, yeah,

1037
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean in moderation obviously. Um, like nothing through training camps,

1038
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: I would never drink. But that night after the fight,

1039
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: I I'd let loose, like we'd get We'd get a

1040
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: little stupid loose for sure. So what about ahead, oh

1041
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: all your meal prep? Is that what led into cooking

1042
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: for you? Or you've always been kind of tinkering with cooking,

1043
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: like through college and stuff. No, I think the cooking

1044
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: has always been something that, um, that's always interested me.

1045
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: And my dad was always the one that cooked in

1046
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: our family, UM, and it was something that I remember

1047
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: watching him have so much passion about and I think

1048
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just what transferred it over

1049
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: to me or what. But um, I love cooking for people.

1050
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: I love cooking for large groups like our fins and

1051
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: feathers trips. I'm usually the one cooking most of the meals.

1052
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: Like if I work with an outfitter, I'll even ask

1053
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: him like can I at least cook one of the nights,

1054
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, And so we'll go and do that for

1055
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: the clients. But it is funny because on on Instagram,

1056
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people who are like,

1057
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm cooking and you can look at

1058
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: it and you're like, you do not cook. But when

1059
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: you're doing it, I'm like, cut knows how to do things. Yeah,

1060
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: And I'm no pro by any means. I I even

1061
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: sometimes make stuff where I'm like, what the hell did

1062
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: I do? But I mean, in my honest opinion, that's

1063
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: how you got to learn. I mean, I'll follow a

1064
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: lot of recipes and sometimes I'll tweak things, um where

1065
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: I feel like it would add to it. Sometimes it does,

1066
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: sometimes it does not, But um, I love doing it.

1067
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: It's something I especially with so so much wild game

1068
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: meat that I have. Like you guys probably know this,

1069
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: You get bored of cooking it the same freaking way

1070
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: over and over again. So I'm always like, oh, that's

1071
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: why I like at night, Yeah, something new. Yeah, Because

1072
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: I remember my brother Danny, you know, he lives off

1073
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: wild game his home, and when he goes to someone's house,

1074
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: he's like, I just love it because it just tastes

1075
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: like something I didn't make. Because after while everything I

1076
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: may just seems to kind of be the same. Yeah.

1077
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, when someone usually when someone cooks something,

1078
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: whether it's something you've made or they've made it tastes

1079
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: better when somebody else makes it for you. Like it's

1080
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: the sandwich effect. Like I can make a sandwich and

1081
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: eat it and it just doesn't taste the same. But

1082
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: my wife makes me a sandwich, it tastes ten times

1083
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: better for some reason. I don't know why, why the

1084
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: hell that is, but um, especially if it conforms your

1085
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: idea of what food ought to be. Yeah, exactly. But

1086
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this in the past. Do

1087
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: you get like these very fitness centric people, some of

1088
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: them haunt some of them don't. But it's like the

1089
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: one thing that binds them together is the boneless, skinless

1090
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: chicken breast. And I'm like, I don't care how healthy

1091
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: you are, it's just that is a bridge too far. Yeah, no,

1092
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: I agree, man. And I'm someone that will definitely stray

1093
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: from the health stuff. I've always tried to make things

1094
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: not over the top unhealthy, but I'm a sucker for

1095
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: good eat man. I'll throw some heavy cream in there, dalls,

1096
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: some cheese in there, and like, I'm not afraid that

1097
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: my my wife doesn't always like it's like, oh yeah,

1098
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: she loves it. In fact, she actually I kind of

1099
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: got her into hunting the last few years. She's um

1100
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: killed a wild pig on that ranch that I told

1101
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: you guys about. Um, she's she's killed a couple of turkeys.

1102
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: She killed a four bearded turkey her very first time.

1103
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: I said, you might as well just quit now, you're

1104
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: not gonna beat that. But she killed one with her bow,

1105
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: which was like the pinnacle of my career because I like,

1106
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: I scouted these suckers. I got it all set up

1107
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: and I just I was like, I just want you

1108
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: to try to kill with your bow. And uh, for

1109
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: the first three setups, she was trying to use the

1110
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: guillotine broadheads and she missed uh three different jake's at

1111
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: like eight yards um, and she was getting so frustrated

1112
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: because that's binary rights either like a killer. Yeah, And

1113
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 1: that's why I did it, because I'm like, I would

1114
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: hate for her to hit one wounded and let's not

1115
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: find it or fly off, and I know that would

1116
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: probably scar and so I'm like, you're either gonna end

1117
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: this thing right now or you're gonna Yeah, I guess

1118
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: it's a little room to like nicke it. But uh huh,

1119
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: And she missed three times, and you know, ship we're

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00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: getting up at like three in the morning and we're

1121
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: having to drive an hour each time, and you know,

1122
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: getting set up waiting for the sun to come up.

1123
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: These things work in and then she misses and she's like,

1124
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: I think the third time it almost broke her. That's

1125
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 1: when you start telling me like, I wish we'd never met.

1126
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I didn't retire for this, So I just switched her

1127
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: to a normal broadhead and I was like, look, this

1128
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: is where you're gonna aim with. The night before, we

1129
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: looked at videos we like. I showed her some pictures

1130
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: of where to aim, and luckily, this giant tom comes

1131
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: walking in. Read it, read it first light. You're calling, yeah,

1132
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: call him in. He comes into the decoys and I

1133
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: think I had the decoys at like eight yards because

1134
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I gonna get these things. It's close

1135
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: to Hans. He comes in in and she just hammers

1136
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: this thing and he goes like fifteen yards and tips

1137
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: over and I would I was just like, I felt

1138
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: more excited than if I would have shot the dang thing,

1139
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, And she's like, is it dead. I'm like,

1140
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: it's dead. You got him. And so she was pretty

1141
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: pumped about that, and we had that for um a

1142
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: big mail. We had a bunch of friends that came

1143
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: over and we I smoked it on the trigger and

1144
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: we did this whole big like mail, made like a

1145
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: big ordeal about it, and she loved it so much,

1146
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: and yeah it was pretty cool and so um that

1147
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: was my that was my hunting story with a wife.

1148
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: So hopefully she definitely said she would do more and

1149
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: that was her last last time doing anything. But yeah,

1150
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: I had to get around the shore next, I know, right,

1151
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: it would be cool. Yeah, Hey, when you're on like

1152
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: when you get knocked out all the time, how many

1153
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: times been knocked out? Can you even count them up? Um? Yeah?

1154
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: So and what do you count as a knockout at

1155
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: this point? You're talking about like the flash? Yeah I

1156
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: count those so like getting your bell rung. So this

1157
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: is what I don't know if you guys have ever

1158
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: had that happen where like sounds like boom in your

1159
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: head and it's like one time I was swinging out

1160
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: you know those mac or may like those things you

1161
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: hang potted plants from. Yes, yeah, I remember hitting a

1162
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: tree when I was a kid one time and having

1163
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: that Yeah, so it's like a it's almost like a

1164
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: drum going off in your head. And I was flat

1165
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: out in the long did you did you not remember?

1166
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: And then wake up? Okay, so you were knocked out,

1167
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: So like that was the only time I was knocked out.

1168
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: Got you. So that's a knockout, and I would count

1169
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: those is a knockout. I wouldn't count the ringing your

1170
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: bell where it's just kind of like everything a bell

1171
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: ring We used ringing your bell to have someone to

1172
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: shoot a shotgun next year year kind of the same

1173
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: because there's like there's literally like for the next three hours. Yeah,

1174
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: that's the worst. Um, so we're getting your bell rung,

1175
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: someone hits you, You hear that noise, but you don't

1176
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: forget anything, like you're right there the whole time, like

1177
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: holy crap, you know, like a knockout the technical term

1178
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: for that as a bell and you got your belt

1179
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: rung up. And then a knockout is you don't remember

1180
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: ship you just you just wake up. So I don't

1181
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: know if you guys have ever been like blacked out

1182
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: from drinking ever and you just have you ever just

1183
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: come out of it and you're like what the oh yeah,

1184
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: you gotta walk out signs. That's kind of like being

1185
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: knocked out. So I think the times I've been knocked out.

1186
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo my first fight, he caught me with a

1187
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: big knee and I just remember waking up. Now, it

1188
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt because you don't know what the hell happened.

1189
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: You're just like shit, you're looking around everybody. Everybody, Yeah,

1190
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: what the hell dude sweeping up? That was my first time.

1191
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: Like about how long though typically in the fight seconds right? Seconds? Yeah? Yeah, so, um,

1192
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean like, you don't really I remember watching the video.

1193
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: So I get hit with the knee. I went back

1194
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: to my back and then he jumps on me and

1195
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: he hits me like three, three or four times before

1196
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: the ref finally got to them and tackle them. UM,

1197
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: don't remember any of that. Um, I don't remember getting

1198
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: back to my feet. I came back to um like

1199
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: talking to the ref already standing, and I was just like,

1200
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: what your brain caught? Yeah, it's it's weird. So that's

1201
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: like a legit knockouts, a legit knockout, and those sucks

1202
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: so bad because it's like, so you're open, some dudes

1203
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: asking you questions and all of a sudden you're like

1204
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: come into being. Yeah, like a rest talking to you,

1205
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: and then I think you're answering them, because usually when

1206
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: I come back to, I'm talking like I'm talking back

1207
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: to the rest way. I have no idea. I don't know.

1208
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: I wish somebody would film this because I don't know

1209
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: if I'm just I don't know what I'm saying. I

1210
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: just when I come back to, I'm talking, and then

1211
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: I like, I think they probably realize when you come to.

1212
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: So how many of those let's rule out the bell ringings?

1213
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: I think too okay, other gonna throw at me to

1214
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: no too Luckily, I think because I was a wrestler,

1215
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: I was mainly taking guys down and staying on top

1216
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: of him. Aldough was one and Frankie Edgar was the

1217
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: other guys have knocked you out. Um, I got my

1218
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: bell rung with Connor. He did. He didn't put me

1219
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: out though, Connor McGregor. That's like the one day and

1220
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people know, yeah, and then the second

1221
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: fight with um although he rung my bell um maybe

1222
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: two or three times in that fight where boom and

1223
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: you fall down and you get back up, like I

1224
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: never lost memory on any of it. But it takes

1225
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: your feet out from underneath you, and your your body

1226
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: basically shuts down for a split second. And you're when

1227
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: when that happens, you you jump up and you're imagine

1228
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: you're focused on what you're doing. But are you also like, man,

1229
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: I need to be alive a long time. Yeah, I

1230
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: mean like have my and be functional as an old man.

1231
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: Or do you like think about that the next day?

1232
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: Next day? Yeah, you're not thinking that. In the you

1233
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: can't down. So like for me when I got my

1234
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: bell rung, I fell down. It messes with your vision

1235
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: for a split second to you like you can't focus

1236
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: on anything. It's just like everything's blurry and I just

1237
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: see him running at me and then it kind of

1238
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: clears back up and I'm like, go ship and then

1239
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: I like, you know, get back into grappling and him

1240
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: being on top of me and we get back to

1241
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 1: the feet. But once that happens once in a fight,

1242
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: your head is never the same. So it feels like

1243
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: you have tons of pressure in your head for how

1244
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: long depends, Like for that one that was a brutal fight. Man,

1245
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: I pissed blood that night. When I got back to

1246
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: the hotel, my head was probably foggy like that in

1247
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: pressure for a day or two. So if right now,

1248
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: if if right now, as I said, you gotta sit there,

1249
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: and yann he's gonna sit up. Yeah, he's gonna give

1250
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: you the hardest haymaker he can give you. Would you

1251
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: just be like okay, whatever it? Would you be scared

1252
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: about it? I mean I wouldn't like it? No, not

1253
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: at all. So when you go into a fight, are

1254
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: you are you like thinking like, man, I hope I

1255
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: don't get hit. Yeah, I mean that's yeah, that's the

1256
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: the basic way, Like in the basic way you'd imagine

1257
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: not wanting to get hit exactly. I mean, and like

1258
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: I said, I think the difference between someone that's never

1259
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: trained for fighting and someone that has, like, I think

1260
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: you fear the pain. I fear losing my fight. So yeah,

1261
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: I get that's that's kind of I think I'm thinking

1262
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: about its being like you walk into a situation where

1263
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: like you're going smart. You know your feet will get

1264
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: totally cold, right, You're like, my feet will be numb,

1265
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: and you're just going to being like it sucks, but

1266
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: I know my feet will be no, and you just right.

1267
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: I think some people be like well, if you know

1268
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna be no, why would you not go? But

1269
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: just something you become comfortable with over time, like you've

1270
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: been through it. You know they warm up again later.

1271
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: It's just just aware that will happen and you whatever.

1272
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: But you don't get there about getting hit in the face. No,

1273
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's like, you know, I know

1274
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to get hit going into this fight. I'm

1275
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: not afraid, Like I said, I'm not afraid of it hurting.

1276
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of waking up and having a loss. You

1277
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Because here's the shst the fight. Yeah,

1278
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: and here's the shitty thing about that is not always

1279
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: the best guy wins that fight. I mean, with those

1280
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: little lass gloves on one tiny mistake. If someone just

1281
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: puts their head down and wing something, even if they're

1282
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: meaning to hit your just winging it and you don't

1283
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: have your your hand covering your chin for a split

1284
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: second and it happens to catch you. You wake up

1285
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: and you're like fuck, you know, like for nothing, I

1286
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: didn't even get the fight. And that's kind of what

1287
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 1: happened with my Frankie Edgar fight. Like I went out

1288
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: there and just got clipped in the beginning of the fight,

1289
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: and I just woke up with the ref pushing me

1290
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: up against the cage like fight's over, and I'm just

1291
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: like mother, you know, like I shouldn't have been, you know,

1292
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: like I wanted to fight. And does the community do

1293
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: the when that happens, when someone gets like a lucky shot,

1294
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: is it recognized in the community, Is it like, oh, yeah,

1295
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: he won, but he shouldn't have won. There's some people

1296
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: that know it, but most people the public perceptions you lost,

1297
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: you lost, you got knocked out, you lost. And in

1298
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: my honest opinion, this is how I would look at it.

1299
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: So and this is how I based a lot of

1300
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: my preparation for certain fighters. If I'm looking at someone's

1301
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: highlight riels or you know, certain past fights that were online,

1302
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: if it's them going out there and knocking a dude out,

1303
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't base a lot of my um preparation off

1304
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: of that. If they go out there and completely dominate

1305
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: a fighter from start to finish, even though it goes

1306
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: to a decision, that's what I pay more attention to you, because,

1307
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: like I said, anybody could go out there and get

1308
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: lucky and knock somebody out. You know, we have four

1309
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: rounds gloves on, which is basically bare knuckle. You know,

1310
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't take much to knock somebody off. You catch

1311
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: them right, Um, but if you go out there and

1312
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: take them down or or just outstrike them or just

1313
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: dominate them from the from beginning to end, like that

1314
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: says something. So that's the type of stuff that I

1315
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: would pay more attention to. Yeah, like those fights where

1316
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: everybody's shocked because someone just throws up a calf and yeah,

1317
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: I can see that you might be like, I don't

1318
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 1: know how much I actually trained for that that that

1319
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: that person did that one time exactly. You know, keep

1320
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: an eye on it. But you know, if unless they've

1321
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: done it to like eight or nine different guys. Yeah,

1322
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting, man, because I could see that you'd

1323
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I hope I'm not the guy that

1324
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: gets hit real fast and goes down. I can see

1325
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 1: that you'd fixate on that. For me, in my fight career,

1326
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: that was probably my biggest hurdle to get over was

1327
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: the fear of that. Not Like I said, I just

1328
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: didn't ever want to lose, mainly because I didn't want

1329
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: to disappoint. Um. I feel my team, my family, you know,

1330
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: just fans for me. You were you were with your

1331
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: wife while you were professionally fighting, right, yeah, yeah, we

1332
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: told you want to wrap it up. Was she pissed? No,

1333
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: she she was happy about that. I mean this she

1334
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: did it and you know, put up with it because

1335
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: she knew that I loved it. And and but supportive

1336
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,839
Speaker 1: she like a team. Yes, she was very supportive. Always.

1337
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: It wasn't her favorite. Like she's sitting there always like this,

1338
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: just you know, peeking out or hands in front of yeah,

1339
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: like what happened? What happened. She'd hear the crowd go

1340
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 1: crazy and her brother would be there next to or

1341
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: something and he'd be like, oh he knocked him out

1342
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: and okay, no ship really yeah? Oh yeah. So she

1343
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: she put up with it. It wasn't her favorite thing,

1344
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: but she was, like I said, very supportive. So um, yeah,

1345
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: when you when you were going through all this and

1346
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: and and actually in the you know, really fighting hard

1347
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: as a professional, were you like, man, when I when

1348
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: I quit this ship on going to hunting fish my

1349
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: was that like in the back of your head? Oh yeah,

1350
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 1: the whole time. And that's that's why we created fins

1351
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: and feathers. I was sitting there like, look, I can't

1352
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: fight forever. You know, we don't get we don't get

1353
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: money after we're done fighting. Like if we don't even fight,

1354
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: we don't get paid. We get paid per fight. So

1355
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: say we sign a Yeah, yeah, I mean it makes

1356
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: soul sense. But I hadn't thought about it really. It's

1357
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: like it's like it's like job worker. Yeah, I'm an

1358
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: independent contractor. When I'm done with the UFC, they shoot

1359
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: me away and that's it, you know, Like I'm on

1360
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: my own. So so there's there's no sort of there's

1361
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: no sort of like base salary nothing, Nope, it's just

1362
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: fight for money. So we are prize fighting about sponsorships.

1363
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: So sponsorships are different. Um. And so this is what

1364
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: I tried to do. I started building a base in

1365
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: the outdoor world. Um about halfway through my career, because

1366
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to do something in the outdoor

1367
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: world when I'm done fighting, that I could make money

1368
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: doing something I'm freaking obsessed with. And so I'm like,

1369
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: what the hell could we do? So me and my

1370
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: buddy were talking about the idea for fins and feathers,

1371
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: and it was something we talked about for a couple

1372
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: of years. Um, you know, and what really kick started

1373
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: it for me was my loss against Frankie Edgar And

1374
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: that was that that moment where it was like, look,

1375
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: I just killed myself and went in there and got

1376
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 1: caught and I didn't even get the fight. You know.

1377
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: So when you lose, you only get half of your

1378
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: money that you were going to get. You don't get

1379
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: the full amount. So I just took a huge pay

1380
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 1: cut because I got caught by something. So each guy

1381
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: agrees to a purse, that's you're you're agreen to the

1382
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: winning purse knowing that you lose. But the two guys

1383
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: might have a different different amount everybody potential they had

1384
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: the potential win different amounts of money. Exactly. It's not

1385
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: like one pile to this guy, one pile of that guy. No. No,

1386
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: So you sign your contracts. Hey, it's a five fight contract.

1387
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: Each fight is um, it goes usually goes up per fight.

1388
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: Is there ever a huge in balance between the two fighters.

1389
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like if I win and make millions of

1390
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: you win, you make ship. Yeah, that's usually the case.

1391
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: The Connor. Connor is making millions and most guys are

1392
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: not making anything close so he could lose and make

1393
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: more than the guy that won. Uh yeah, And some

1394
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: guys in their contract have a flat rate, you know.

1395
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: And so typically it's guys that have been with the

1396
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: company for a long time, the company UFC UFC, and

1397
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: they've their managers to figure out a way to look like,

1398
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: tell these guys, look, we'll sign a four fight contract,

1399
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: but these fights are all guaranteed this amount of money.

1400
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: Does that make sense, so we do no win or lose. Yeah,

1401
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: it's just the flat rate, no matter what. So he's

1402
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: not even incentivized. I mean, you're incentivized for all man

1403
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,919
Speaker 1: or reasons, but the actual money is not incentives exactly.

1404
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: All the other career sponsorship and everything else just doing good.

1405
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: So that's why we decided to do fins and feathers.

1406
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, let's what can I do? Two start

1407
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: building a a base in the outdoor world. That's why

1408
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: I can start working with different companies in the outdoor

1409
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: space um and working on sponsorships and like trying to

1410
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: figure out ways so I can you know, become relevant

1411
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: there um and get the travel around do these hunts,

1412
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: make money doing these hunts and have fun with really

1413
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 1: cool people. And so we came up with the idea

1414
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: of fins and feathers. And I'm like, well, like I said,

1415
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how this is gonna go. We can

1416
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: give it a shot. We'll try it for a year

1417
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: and if, you know, if it doesn't work, we'll try

1418
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: to figure something else out. He'd be like, or yeah,

1419
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: I'll just get real bitter. Watch a lot of TV.

1420
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: Get rosy overweight. Oh yeah. And so I mean we

1421
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: did it. I um, I lost the Frankie and I'm

1422
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: like that year, I'm like, you know what, let's get

1423
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: this sucker started. So we started the business. We got

1424
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: our attorney on things, and like got everything planned out.

1425
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: We started building the website. It's not really you're like

1426
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: laying in the groundwork, right, Yeah. I started doing it

1427
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: was fighting, like what's the old fighter? Though. Dan Henderson

1428
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: fought into his forties. I want to say he was

1429
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: like forties six or yeah, that's very rare. Most guys,

1430
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: um like, you're I favor he retired when he was

1431
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: I think thirty nine. You kind of got your money's

1432
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: work anyways, man, I mean you got out. You didn't

1433
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: like get out way early, not super early. I mean,

1434
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: I still probably could have fought for another four or

1435
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: five be money, but like Favor got out nine, was

1436
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: out for like a year or two and then came

1437
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: out of retirement flot a fight when he was forty,

1438
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: knocked the dude out, and then just lost his last fight.

1439
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but that's like, you know, anything

1440
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: in the forties is like, that's kind of that's in

1441
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: your cards, Like eventually somebody, I don't think so, man,

1442
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm people ask that all some rocky ship man come back.

1443
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: I think I think things would have to be absolutely horrible,

1444
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: So you're going to do it from a position of weakness,

1445
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: things that have to be hungry exactly. So I'm just

1446
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: having so much damn fun doing what we're doing, man,

1447
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,679
Speaker 1: And and you know, it's something I love to do.

1448
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't have to get punched in the head anymore,

1449
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, And so I don't. I don't see myself

1450
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: coming out of retirement anytime soon. So you just keeping

1451
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: your business now. Yeah. I like how you can say

1452
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,879
Speaker 1: I don't have to get punched in the head anymore

1453
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: and it's not a metaphor. Yeah, I'm like when I'm

1454
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: like listening all the good ship. You know, if I

1455
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: need to cheer myself up, I can start adding ned

1456
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: in like no one's punched me in the head probably.

1457
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: You know how many mornings I'd get out of bed

1458
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: just like so sore from head to toe. And it's

1459
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: early morning. You know, we don't get cold out here

1460
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: like it is out here, but it's you know, high thirties,

1461
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: low forties, and I gotta freaking go to the gym,

1462
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: which our heat or freakings sucked, so everything was freezing,

1463
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: match are freezing. We have these big like diesel Do

1464
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: you ever see those diesel heaters that it looks like

1465
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: a jet engine like torpedo heating. So we'd have one

1466
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: of those on the side of the mat, so the

1467
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: whole gym smells like diesel exhaust and everybody, Yeah, they

1468
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: heat it up. You never get a fire going into

1469
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: a one of those into the fire, but yeah, I mean,

1470
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,480
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, God, these guys that want to

1471
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: punch me in the face, I'm like, dude, don't touch

1472
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: me right now. I don't even want to be here,

1473
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: but you gotta get through it, you know. But yeah,

1474
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: those are the that's the ship. I don't I don't

1475
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: look forward to ever again, Like, I'm good, I'm good

1476
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: not doing that anymore. What's your what's your career advice

1477
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: for people? Oh? Man? I mean I think it is

1478
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: finding something you love to do. Like I love fighting,

1479
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: I loved competing. I did it my whole life. Um,

1480
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, I say all this negative stuff about it,

1481
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: but it was very good to me. I was good

1482
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: at I don't think you sound negative, okay, I mean

1483
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: I think you sound like a guy who's done. Yeah. Right,

1484
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: it's not negative, okay, good, just like it's there's like

1485
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: a circumspect, right, or circumspection whatever the hell I'm trying

1486
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: to say. I got you just looking at it from

1487
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: a exactly. But I mean, just find what you love

1488
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: to do and and if like, if it's something you love,

1489
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: it's never gonna be work. Like there's gonna be times,

1490
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: like I said, those mornings where I'm sore from head

1491
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: to toe, it's cold, I don't want to get touched,

1492
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: but you do the workout and you feel good about

1493
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: it after, you know, I just pushed through that, like

1494
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Do you think just do you

1495
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: do you think that um, being as disciplined as you

1496
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: had to have been, Uh, did that come naturally? Did

1497
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: you have to like force discipline? Um? I think there

1498
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: was a mix of times where I had to force it. UM.

1499
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: I actually, as a kid, tried to play baseball and

1500
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: my dad these are this is a quote for my dad,

1501
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: You're not playing baseball. Only pussies played baseball. So I

1502
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: was like, well, hear that. Pelso because I wanted to

1503
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: play a team sport where I'm out there with a team,

1504
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, and baseball and I played on the playground.

1505
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: I loved it, you know, And you know I was

1506
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: just always so small. It's like the old portuge. He's like,

1507
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're eighty pounds, Yeah, get your

1508
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: grass in there and wrestle. You know, there was multiple

1509
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: times growing up I wanted to do something else. I

1510
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: wanted to quit wrestling. UM and the discipline that was

1511
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: basically my dad making me stick with it, which looking

1512
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: back on it now, I'm glad he did because you know,

1513
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: made me who I am now. Same thing with my

1514
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: freshman year in college wanting to quit, you know, the

1515
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 1: wrestling part of it. Then you know I wouldn't have

1516
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it to the UFC. I wouldn't

1517
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: be sitting here with you guys right now, you know.

1518
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: And so there's so many things that I'm grateful for

1519
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to that type of stuff. But you know,

1520
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: the discipline part of it sometimes was kind of forced

1521
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: on me. It's interesting that you mentioned the guilt thing, because, um,

1522
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 1: I think people that oftentimes when I see people who

1523
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: just really lacked discipline, they don't have that. We're all

1524
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: see someone and I'll hear about what someone did, and

1525
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, like like I'm I'm only

1526
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: talking about like how could that be of interest to you?

1527
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: Like how you wasted that amount of time? But where

1528
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: was the party that would have been? Where's a party

1529
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: you that tells you that you can't do that? Some

1530
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: people don't have that. Yeah, the guilt. I have friends

1531
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 1: like that. I'll go, don't you feel I get like

1532
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: fishing guilt to not fish? It feels guilty, Like you know,

1533
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: a long time goes by and you have opportunities that

1534
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: you don't do. It's like it's like ways on my conscious.

1535
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: Netflix I believe is making millions of dollars off these

1536
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: people that don't have that in their brain, that don't

1537
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 1: feel shame. No, because I I I watch films and

1538
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 1: TV with a sense of discipline, like I'm strategic about

1539
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: it and I don't feel bad doing it. I get

1540
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: shame at the grocery store, like when I have in

1541
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: between you know, busy week slots travel, like I'm just

1542
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: gonna get this pre made pasta stuff and then I'll

1543
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: throw some meat on top of it when I get home.

1544
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: When you get a guilty feelings by the time I'm

1545
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: done cooking, I'm like, why, I it's not that much

1546
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: more time. What are you doing? I get a guilt. Yeah,

1547
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: I mean I have a life defined by guilt. Man,

1548
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 1: Like when we do it like now and then, as

1549
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: a sort of like a nod to our kids, we

1550
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 1: have like pizza night right, and it's kind of easy

1551
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: for everybody. You know, you don't have to clean up.

1552
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh it's great. Yeah, it's like it's just everything about

1553
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: it's easy. They show up, kids are like, oh yeah great,

1554
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: they're like, you don't have to be like eat your food.

1555
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: Just eat your food, you like, walk up with the

1556
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: box and the recycling bin and it's just easy. But

1557
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 1: that makes me feel guilty because we didn't like cook something,

1558
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: and like y'all have the kids to eat it like

1559
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: like like, yeah, I have a guilt guided life. I

1560
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing, though, I mean it sucks

1561
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: from time to time. But ship, man, we don't. Yeah,

1562
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I take that as you know,

1563
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: that's what it makes us all successful, like if you

1564
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: didn't have that feeling. Like I said, I have a

1565
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: few buddies that are just like the biggest pieces of

1566
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 1: ship ever And I'm like, dude, how do you how

1567
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: are you eating that? And how are you like not

1568
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: doing anything after eating that? Yeah? I don't know because

1569
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't have guilt. Bro. Yeah, sometimes I'm a little jealous.

1570
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: Get my friends who are like, you know, be like,

1571
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: oh man, I feel like a piece of crap because

1572
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: I ran out and got pizza last night. Well, you know,

1573
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 1: you work all the time and occasionally it's okay to

1574
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: get a pizza and you kind of look at them

1575
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, are you really my friend? Do you

1576
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: you film some of your hunts? Yeah? Do you do it? Like?

1577
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: Do you film and put them up? You put them

1578
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: on YouTube? Put them on my YouTube channel? Yet? Yeah?

1579
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: Is that? Do you view that as being tied into

1580
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: fins and feathers? I do um, I think because a

1581
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of those videos actually are Fins and Feathers trips,

1582
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: not all of them. I do a lot of people

1583
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, and it's you know, they're they're not like

1584
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: the highest quality videos. It's me vlogging, which I feel

1585
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: like resonates more with people, like it's me, like you're

1586
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 1: seeing this from my point of view. I'm sitting here

1587
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: talking to the camera. Then I'm pointing it to you,

1588
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, so for me, the the

1589
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: marketing part of going on these trips, filming this stuff

1590
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: and being able to with that on the YouTube for

1591
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: people to see it brings such a bigger connection. Like

1592
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: when I go to those shows, like so many people

1593
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: come to the booth and they're like, dude, I love

1594
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: this video, I love this hunt. Oh is that that animal?

1595
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: So there's like a connection setting up a booth like

1596
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: a Friends and Feathers. Yeah, yeah, these do expo type

1597
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: show and then you go man that booth. So people

1598
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you could go to the locals or

1599
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 1: not local, but whatever sports show. Yeah, exactly. We only

1600
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: do the booth at two shows. We do the Sack

1601
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: Expo and then that big Hunt Expo. And Utah um

1602
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: and um both are extremely you know, I loved both

1603
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: of them. They can be a ton of work, you

1604
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: know where it's setting the booth up, ourselves, traveling out

1605
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: to Utah and back, and but I mean just seeing

1606
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: all the people like I've been going. I think this

1607
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: is our fifth year, and it's crazy. There's so many

1608
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: like a little kid like wrestlers or just kids that

1609
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 1: are into the hunting and outdoor lifestyle that I've seen

1610
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: for the last five years just getting big. I'm like, dude,

1611
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: and some of them like we've taken a picture every

1612
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: single year and they'll do like a slide show and

1613
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: it's just cool to see the progression and when you

1614
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: when you if it, let's say people wanted to go

1615
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: and they wanted to make sure that they were going

1616
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: on a trip that you were accompanying. Um, so is

1617
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: there like a guarantee like can they be like I'm

1618
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: going on this trip and Chad Men does going or

1619
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: is it like I'm going on this trip and I

1620
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: don't know who but something They're gonna send someone. So

1621
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,959
Speaker 1: what we do is if you go to our website

1622
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: um Thins and Feathers dot com, our schedule page will

1623
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:27,719
Speaker 1: be this year's schedule, so it'll show all the different hunts,

1624
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 1: so it'll give the species, the location, the actual dates, UM,

1625
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: and then what we do. It'll say price and how

1626
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: many spots are available, but we'll put possible celebrities. And

1627
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: the reason why I say possible. If my name's on there,

1628
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: there's like especially now that I'm retired, that I'm going

1629
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: on that one. Um. The other guys we say possible,

1630
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: and I usually list like three, like two or three guys.

1631
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: UM if a fight pops up or something and they

1632
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: can't go on that trip. Oh yeah, because there's always

1633
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: a little bit uncertain because you schedule way out. So

1634
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: then we'll we'll really take one of these other guys,

1635
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: but you you'll have an idea of who's going to

1636
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: go on that trip. Um. I. So that's what I

1637
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: was telling Call in the car. Like the last couple

1638
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: of years, I've gone on almost every single trip UM,

1639
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 1: and I'll bring some of my buddies in mainly because

1640
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: I just don't want like if it's there, if one

1641
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: of my buddies that maybe fights in the UFC and

1642
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 1: they've never gone on this trip before, they don't know

1643
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: the Outfitter, Yet you know, I just want to be

1644
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: there and make sure everything goes smooth. I want to

1645
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: be there with the clients and make sure everything's going

1646
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 1: the way that I wanted to go um but last year,

1647
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna start doing that more this year. You know,

1648
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: those those celebrity guys have gone on these trips now

1649
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: and they understand the process. They are buddies with the

1650
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: Outfitter now, and so there's gonna be more trips where

1651
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't have to go on them anymore. And so

1652
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start just sending more of these guys. And

1653
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: that's that was the original business model for this. Like

1654
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: I obviously I would go on every single if I

1655
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: was single, I would go on every single one of

1656
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: these ones every year. My wife's like, I'm gonna cut

1657
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 1: your nuts off if you leave one more time. So

1658
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: it's like that could actually impact your desire to go

1659
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: in the first place, exactly. And so I'm starting to

1660
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: just trying to clear up my schedule with these as

1661
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: much as I can and start putting some of these

1662
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: other guys on so that you know, I don't have

1663
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: to travel as much, mixing with all my personal hunts

1664
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: and stuff as well. What kind of trip, um, what

1665
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: kind of trip? Like really lets it all come home

1666
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: in the right way, you know what I mean in

1667
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: terms of being able to like have exposure to someone

1668
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: that you want to hang out with, and it's kind

1669
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: of the right blend of effort and and you know,

1670
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like is it I'm guessing it's not like

1671
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: hunting doll sheet. No. And that's the thing. Most of

1672
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: our trips are pretty low impact. They're not like we're

1673
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: not really doing We've done the back country stuff a

1674
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: couple of times, but it's tough. Man, it's tough to do.

1675
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Like a lot of waterfowl, turkeys, we do that type

1676
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: of stuff. Most of the stuff we do is big game.

1677
01:25:57,200 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I looked at the schedule. Man, that's a

1678
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. And cow are calic archery, l

1679
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: kant mule deer, white tail back in the Midwest, San

1680
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,479
Speaker 1: Diego Tuna trip, which I've heard from a lot of

1681
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: people who have done trips similar. That's a great time. Yeah,

1682
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: that one is one of my favorite of the year.

1683
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: And we get so we we charted out like a

1684
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: ninety footboat. Um, there's bedrooms and stuff all downstairs. You

1685
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: go out for three days. There's cooks on board, cooking

1686
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: on your meal. It's pretty pampered, you know. And um,

1687
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: they prepared to the tuna. They'll do it like if

1688
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: you catch tuna and they'll make sushamy. Sometimes they'll do

1689
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: like big poke bowls. Um it's nice. But yeah, that's fun.

1690
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: Everyone's drinking beer. We got thirty clients on that one. Um,

1691
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 1: and so usually it's me, Dan Henderson and Claig Wueta

1692
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,920
Speaker 1: that's who's going on this year. But um, we're just

1693
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 1: there fishing with everyone drinking beer, hanging out that one

1694
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: and you know, and there's nothing. Once I get everybody

1695
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: on the boat and all the paperwork's done, all the

1696
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: planning and scheduling is done, I just get to go

1697
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: have fun. We get to go have fun. So it's like,

1698
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm handing out some gifts and stuff during

1699
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: the trip. So but which is easy. But you know,

1700
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: we're catching tuna, having you know, fun of the sun,

1701
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: and that one's a lot of fun. We actually just

1702
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: sold out, um on my flight here. I sold the

1703
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 1: last three spots on my layover, so we're officially booked

1704
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: out on that one for but um, yeah, man, we

1705
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: try to mix up all kinds of different things. There's

1706
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: some people that really enjoy the mule deer stuff. They

1707
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: don't really care too much about the white tail stuff,

1708
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: so we we make sure we do both. Um. The

1709
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: cow o hunt, I think it's gonna be really cool

1710
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 1: this year. It's a rifle hunt success, right, Like, there's

1711
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: tons of cows, tons of elk um uh. And so

1712
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna go out there and you know, these guys

1713
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: that have never a lot of these guys have never

1714
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: killed anything before. So UM, it's gonna be a cool

1715
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 1: hunt where we're showing these guys how to do all

1716
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: the field dressing, how to cut these things up and

1717
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: get them prep for the drive home. Um, and just

1718
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: kind of teaching these guys like what, um, what fins

1719
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: and Feathers is about, but also what it's like getting

1720
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 1: to harvest your own meal and take it home with you. Um.

1721
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: One thing we are really starting to plan started we've

1722
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: talked about the last couple of years, is doing a

1723
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: like a Fins and Feathers academy where we get a

1724
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: lot I personally get a lot of fans that follow

1725
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: me for the fighting side of it that have never

1726
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,719
Speaker 1: hunted or done anything like that. And so they see

1727
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: me hunting and you know, cooking all these wild game

1728
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: mials and having all this meat just readily available in

1729
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 1: my freezer, Like, dude, I and I you know messages,

1730
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I really want to do that. I think this is awesome, dude.

1731
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 1: And again, a lot of people that watch your show, um,

1732
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 1: and they're like, I want to be like that. I

1733
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 1: want to be able to just go out in my

1734
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: freezer and grab you know, X, Y and Z and

1735
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: go inside and cook it. And so what we're gonna

1736
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: do is we're gonna show people how to get their

1737
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: hunters safety, get their hunting license, take them on a hunt,

1738
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 1: how to hunt, show them all the field dressing and

1739
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff, show them how to properly break down

1740
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 1: an animal, and then cook these really cool mills with

1741
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: a wild game. So it'll be like from start to finish,

1742
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: like if you've never done it before, this is what

1743
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: you do. And just go out and take a handful

1744
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: of guys and girls out and teach him all the

1745
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 1: stuff that I've learned over the years. And um, you

1746
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: know have buddies that are unbelievable wild game cooks. Maybe

1747
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 1: bring some of those guys in pair it with different

1748
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: wines or something, um and just call it the Friends

1749
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 1: and Feathers Academy. So that's like a dream that I've

1750
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: seen for a little bit. I just I think the

1751
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 1: hardest thing is just finding the locations, um that have

1752
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: all the the kitchen where and like the spots big

1753
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 1: enough to you know, a kill the animals but then

1754
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 1: also be able to cook it and teach them all

1755
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: that stuff with with all the right amount of utensils

1756
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So yeah, I'm impressed. Man. Just

1757
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: again looking through your schedule. Uh, there's a lot of

1758
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: hunts you go on without getting to hang out with

1759
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 1: Chad Mendez for the same price. You know, Like you

1760
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 1: guys are very reasonable price. Yeah, and that we I

1761
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: try to keep it that way. And that's what I

1762
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 1: was telling you. So what we do is we team

1763
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: up without fitters, and we figure out the monetary side

1764
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: of it per spot. Um. I don't I'm not trying

1765
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: to like jack these up so high that nobody could

1766
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: ever go on them. I mean, is some of the

1767
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: stuff relatively pricey. I mean, if you buy that hunt

1768
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 1: anywhere that you're probably going to spend around the same

1769
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: amount of money, but um, like I'm not trying to

1770
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: just like jack these up through the roof, you know,

1771
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: And so I try to keep them pretty similar to

1772
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,440
Speaker 1: what you would normally pay. It's not a huge celebrity

1773
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: fee exactly. Yeah. And and and that's that's just one

1774
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: of those things. I feel like it's kind of a conceited.

1775
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: That was one of the issues I had when um

1776
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: creating fins and feathers, Like what do we charge? Like,

1777
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: like what is my worth? Like what do people? You know,

1778
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: what what am I going to charge people to come

1779
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: hang out with me? Like is that kind of fucked up? Like,

1780
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, just hard putting prices on stuff? It is?

1781
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: It is, And uh, I think we've kind of nailed

1782
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: it down. We do. Like I said, we've sold out

1783
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, all the years that we've been in business,

1784
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: which is unbelievable to me and to my business partner,

1785
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: and just we've had a lot of people that have

1786
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: rebooked on a lot of the things that have just

1787
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: had so much fun. And what's great is those guys

1788
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: wear the mouth start bringing buddies like, oh, you guys

1789
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: gotta come do this. It was so much fun. And um,

1790
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: it's just been so so cool for me to be

1791
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: able to live my dream. You know, I got two

1792
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 1: more questions for Yanni. Threw this one in. Yanni go ahead, okay,

1793
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:22,719
Speaker 1: so you just you just throw this in. So Yanni

1794
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: went ahold Y'allni took a whole year off alcohol. Now

1795
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: he's back on alcohol. Now he's taken How long is

1796
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: your little sugar breake? Three months? Three months of no desserts?

1797
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: No way, yeah, he says, Um, how does sugar play

1798
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: in your diet? Yeah? I couldn't squeeze it in earlier

1799
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 1: when we were talking about diet. But no, we're just

1800
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: picking up loose ends right now. Well, what's your attitude

1801
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 1: to sugar? If I made you big old flan, would

1802
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: you eat it? I'm gonna tell you, guys what I

1803
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: had for dinner last night. So I ate my meal

1804
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: and for dessert, I had a chocolate brownie with the

1805
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,879
Speaker 1: scoop of vanilla ice cream on it, with some caramel

1806
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: drizzle on tops. And he'd beat yours now. Desert during

1807
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: your ten ten week training period, usually no, but but

1808
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: there are times, depending on and I think this is

1809
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 1: something that is very important when anyone is sticking to

1810
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: some kind of strict diet, you have to have cheap days.

1811
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: You will go freaking insane sticking to the same thing

1812
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: every single day for however long you're going to do it.

1813
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 1: So like during my training camp, I'd say maybe once

1814
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 1: or twice through the ten weeks, we would go and

1815
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 1: I would get an ice like an ice cream or um,

1816
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it may be. But we would go

1817
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: get something like a like a splurge or I'd even

1818
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: go out and get like a big old fat hamburger

1819
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: or something, you know. So to satisfy that corner of

1820
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: the brain. Yeah, you have to do it, man. And

1821
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: people that say that they never do it, they're lying.

1822
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: My wife made an ice cream pie for the kids

1823
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,559
Speaker 1: dinner and he was leaning over. There's like one little

1824
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: piece there, and he was like, you know, I might

1825
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: even eat that piece of ice cream pie. But then

1826
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: he didn't touch it. That's that's strong. Yeah, we'll see.

1827
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 1: You don't consider sugar the devil. Um. I mean it's

1828
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: not great. No, I don't think it's great, but I

1829
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: think in moderation from time to time is not going

1830
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: to kill anyone. We had a hard time defining. Um,

1831
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: we're kicking this around. I mean I'm not I'm not

1832
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: doing it, but like defind like you know, like what

1833
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: is sugar right, because I mean sugars everywhere. So he

1834
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: had to sort of be like, wow, ship where sugars

1835
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: the point? Like cutting out? Like ship where the point

1836
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 1: is that sugary and sweet? Because you can't be like, Okay,

1837
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: a strawberry has sugars in it, you know what I mean,

1838
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: there's all that, but I think, yeah, I know. So

1839
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: he had to look at like refined sugar is what

1840
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 1: you're probably trying to kick, right, yeah, And I were like,

1841
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: like added sugar and when it's easy like catch up,

1842
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: I've been trying to I've been not eating catch up

1843
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: because because that's sugar. And is this sugar? Well yeah, again,

1844
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: when you look at the label and if in the

1845
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: first two to three ingredients it says sugar, That's when

1846
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm aiming not to be eating, right. I thought that

1847
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: it was just tomatoes. Hey, you know something that Uh,

1848
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,719
Speaker 1: when I was working on my book, my first book

1849
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: called The Scavengers Guy to Oat Cuisine. It was about

1850
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 1: this French chef Scofier and and all the wild game

1851
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: he would cook, but um for a long time like

1852
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: ketchup didn't mean like you'd specify, there's mushroom catchup, really

1853
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: tomato catch up. Yeah, there's many, many, many, And over

1854
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: time it just became like catchup became like catch up,

1855
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: but it catch up. You be like, this's a sort

1856
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: of category of like vinegare toppings, and and that was

1857
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: the tomato one was no more then the mushroom one.

1858
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's just like this whole thing like all

1859
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like dressing just became ranch like ranch

1860
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 1: like one the fight it was like a general condiment. Yeah,

1861
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: it was like a vinegare, like a perade sort of

1862
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: vinegare topping. I would be annoying to try to bring

1863
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: that one back. What type of catch up? Yeah, you

1864
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: could become like that guy. Yeah, I'm curious. I want

1865
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: to try him though. Yeah, Like, d what do you

1866
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: say catch up? You mean a mushroom catchup? Uh? Last

1867
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: question for you, lest Cal's got one um blue like

1868
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: and I like you work in the hunting industry. I

1869
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 1: work in the hunting industry. Work in the hunting industry,

1870
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,759
Speaker 1: and so hunting is different for people in the hunting industry,

1871
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: Like the opportunities are different, and you know, people and

1872
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: like you know, you have connections and all, like whatever,

1873
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: you just know what's up, right, When you want to

1874
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: go somewhere, you make a couple of phone calls. You

1875
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,840
Speaker 1: find out what's going on. It's helpful. It's way more

1876
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: than ship. You learn on Google by calling people, you know,

1877
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: because you have a lot of connections. But like I

1878
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: get a sense just from communications from emails, we get

1879
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: that like that, I find a high level of pessimism

1880
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: among blue collar California hunters, like classic weekend warrior like

1881
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: that the kind of hunting you grew up as right,

1882
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and you described it perfectly. Is that pessimism warranted in California?

1883
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: It just seems it just seems to be like a

1884
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:19,320
Speaker 1: down and out nous. Yeah, yeah, I sense that a

1885
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: lot in Cali. I don't know what I mean for me,

1886
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: And you're referring to like people buying hunts just being

1887
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 1: a dude, you know, dut he pulls like a normal salary.

1888
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: He's got a family, he can hunt on the weekends.

1889
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 1: He doesn't have access to a lot of private land.

1890
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 1: It just seems to be kind of, like like I said,

1891
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 1: like a general down and out nous. You know, you

1892
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: talked to whatever, like, you know, you can talk to

1893
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 1: people in Wyloming. There's a general enthusiasm right like yeah,

1894
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: hell yeah, it's great. But it's the pessimism mostly aimed

1895
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: at lack of opportunity or lack of too crowded. No,

1896
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like lack of community. I think

1897
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: it's too much, if anything, be too much much, and

1898
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I feel like everything it's just it's so thick, it's

1899
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: so crowded. There is some extremely tough conditions in California,

1900
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 1: but there are also some really great opportunities for the

1901
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: outdoorsman in California. In my honest opinion, we have some amazing,

1902
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: amazing fishing locations. I think the yeah, the fishing is

1903
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 1: probably if you say that in California, you're probably high. Yeah,

1904
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: and you're if you're in California, probably are high. Yeah.

1905
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,759
Speaker 1: I would probably, um. But I mean there's still great hunting.

1906
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:39,000
Speaker 1: And here's here's what I've tried to do over the years,

1907
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,639
Speaker 1: because I've felt that before. It's tough like that there's

1908
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 1: public ground, but it's thick, it's overcrowded. You know, the

1909
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 1: the amount of animals you're saying, are you know, close

1910
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 1: to none um, you know, it's the opportunities aren't ideally easy.

1911
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta work your ass off, compared to

1912
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: maybe I go to Utah and I'm seeing a hundred

1913
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: different deer in a day, you know what I mean,

1914
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: Like you don't do that. Yeah, no, I don't see it.

1915
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: And there's years I would go an entire season without

1916
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 1: seeing a legal buck, which you know just has to

1917
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 1: have two on one side, you know. And so yeah,

1918
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 1: I can see why some people um have that. You know,

1919
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 1: it's not it's not easy, but I mean, you gotta

1920
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 1: make opportunity to Like I'm busting my ass daily knocking

1921
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 1: on people's doors, like seeing different properties that I know

1922
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 1: have amazing animals on them, and I asked for permission,

1923
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 1: Like do I get told no? Probably ninety nine percent

1924
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: in the time. Yes. So you're still out there mixing

1925
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: it up, like strategizing and trying to get onto good

1926
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 1: hunting exactly. And there's a ton a ton of great

1927
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 1: hunting that's private though, and so it's like the worst

1928
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 1: case they're gonna say no. In fact, recently I got

1929
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: chewed out for asking. You're just gonna feel guilty if

1930
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 1: you don't go beat on ors that's what it is.

1931
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 1: Maybe right there, I gotta go ask. But so you

1932
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: asked someone and they got pissed. They got pissed you

1933
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: went passed no trustpassing sign to go knock on the

1934
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,919
Speaker 1: door or what was there. So that was their reasoning

1935
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 1: for it. But it's an easymant road. And I got

1936
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 1: permission on the road because there is a another piece

1937
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 1: of property that I can get on that that the

1938
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: only road in and out goes through. So this is

1939
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:32,759
Speaker 1: a road that they they have a gate that goes

1940
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, thousand yards to their house that's down there.

1941
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: So I hand wrote a whole letter, put pictures of

1942
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 1: me and my family so they know that it's not

1943
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: some crazy lunatic trying to get in there. Um, explained

1944
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 1: myself of you know why I would love to archery

1945
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys on their property. Um, it's a I think

1946
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: it's a hundred acre piece. UM. And I left it

1947
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: an envelope and set it on their gate. Didn't go

1948
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: in their gate, didn't go up there, anything, left it there.

1949
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: And I think two days later, three two or three

1950
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 1: days later, I get a call from a number that's

1951
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:06,400
Speaker 1: from the Bay area, and I'm like, I don't know

1952
01:40:06,439 --> 01:40:09,720
Speaker 1: who this is, I answered, and the guy's like, is

1953
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: this Chad? And I'm like, uh, yeah, who's this? He's like,

1954
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: this is so and so I won't say their name

1955
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 1: even though I probably should um, And he's like it

1956
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: was John Caswell and the biggest dick I've ever talked to?

1957
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: How the did you get that letter on my fence?

1958
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 1: How dare you even ask to hunt on my property?

1959
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,679
Speaker 1: Like just going off, and my heart's just like beating,

1960
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 1: like well, I'm getting an earful and I'm you know,

1961
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 1: trying not to be an asshole, and you know, there's

1962
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: so many things going through my head that I want

1963
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,959
Speaker 1: to say to this guy, and you know, we're freaking neighbors,

1964
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 1: Like it's not that far from my house. I could

1965
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: throw a football into the property that's over there, and uh,

1966
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 1: he couldn't just be like no, no, you know he

1967
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,719
Speaker 1: had to. He had to chew my ear off first.

1968
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: And so he's going off, going off, going off, and

1969
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 1: he goes, he goes and to uh answer your question,

1970
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: no you can't hunt on my property, and I'm like, well,

1971
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell by the tony your voice. But I

1972
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: had an opposite. I had a phone call the other

1973
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: day with a guy where I I wanted to enquire

1974
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: about a property, And when I'm looking him up, I

1975
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,479
Speaker 1: realized that he's got a business where you can send

1976
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: a um like you can send him like a like

1977
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: a you know, you feel out of it auto populates

1978
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:32,759
Speaker 1: your name and stuff, and you can do an inquiry

1979
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: like a business inquiry. So I do a business inquiry

1980
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: and I apologize in my inquiry, sorry to use this.

1981
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: I just thought it might be less of an annoyance.

1982
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 1: And if I called you know, And he says, and

1983
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: I lay it out for him, and he said, we'll

1984
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 1: give me a call next week. I'm like, yeah, hell yeah,

1985
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,519
Speaker 1: I got it right. So we play phone tag a

1986
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: little bit. Eventually get down on the phone and UM

1987
01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:55,080
Speaker 1: has a whole bunch of questions for me. We're talking,

1988
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: it's going great, and I'm about right. I'm to the

1989
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: point where I'm like, well, where should I park? Right?

1990
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,759
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, I don't mean to string you along. No,

1991
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, great, very just friendly as ship. You know,

1992
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: did you buy a chance? Tell me what you did mean?

1993
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: I think my feeling He went in knowing that it

1994
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,639
Speaker 1: was a no, but was just being like I took

1995
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the time to reach out to him, he felt obligated to.

1996
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 1: He felt obligated to close the loop and very politely,

1997
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, great, um, thanks for calling. I respect

1998
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,719
Speaker 1: your you know, respect your perspective on it. Um. Okay,

1999
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 1: I I wish I would get that in California's really unusual. Really,

2000
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: I either don't get anything back, just silent. Or that guy,

2001
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:53,080
Speaker 1: this guy was from the South, got you. No, he

2002
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 1: he wanted to, Like we talked, we were talking about

2003
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: early before we start recording. He was closing the loop.

2004
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I mean, just to wonder what what happens

2005
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: with that dude today who yells down to him to

2006
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 1: where he's like, oh, I'm gonna take the opportunity to

2007
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 1: ring the neck of this person with the nicely written

2008
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:12,920
Speaker 1: note and the nice little family. Yeah, I'll show you

2009
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 1: to take the really responsible path here and write me

2010
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: a letter illustrating what you'd like to do and how

2011
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: to contact me and giving me a sense of like

2012
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 1: who you are as an individual. I'll teach you a lesson. Dude.

2013
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 1: That's how I felt too. I'm like, you know, many

2014
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,559
Speaker 1: people probably would just walk in there and poach and

2015
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 1: like trespassed. Like I I felt like I went out

2016
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:35,640
Speaker 1: of my way. I sat down at my computer and

2017
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 1: like wrote this, Like dude, I was so upset that

2018
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: ate me up to for like I have a good week.

2019
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm just like what, like I wanted a kid doing it.

2020
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: You probably never knock on another door. Probably just go

2021
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 1: the trustpassing route. It's like next time, bro, I'm just

2022
01:43:53,520 --> 01:44:00,040
Speaker 1: gonna go here asking you to trustpassing. It's just a

2023
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Yeah. Yeah. The you gotta remember Old John's

2024
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: gotta live with himself every day. Um, live in his

2025
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 1: own company. I got a question. We get a lot,

2026
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 1: uh but favorite game and how do you cook it? Oh? Man?

2027
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I really enjoy access, dear. I So the last I

2028
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: think it's been three years now, I've been going to

2029
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 1: like Southern Texas UM with the Mountain Ops crew and

2030
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 1: we do a free range access to here hunt down there.

2031
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 1: And the first year I killed a buck um and

2032
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: I was it was, you know, during the rut, And

2033
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, I wonder how these are gonna

2034
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: be during the rut? Is it gonna be a little

2035
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, gamy, what's it gonna be like on freaking believable.

2036
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 1: We even had some on the grill next to a

2037
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: piece of elk, and so I was like, I want

2038
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,879
Speaker 1: to taste test these suckers. And I enjoyed the access

2039
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: to dear more than I enjoyed the elk. And and and

2040
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 1: up until that point, I'd say elk was probably my

2041
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 1: favorite um wild game that maybe even wild boar. I

2042
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:11,680
Speaker 1: absolutely really love wild boar um but accessed here. And

2043
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:17,720
Speaker 1: what like my favorite, probably most um appealing way to

2044
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:20,920
Speaker 1: make it is I keep the the loin like bone in,

2045
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: and I'll do the tomahawk steaks. Oh yeah, yeah, And

2046
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: so like I'll usually smoke, yeah, smoke them for a

2047
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,599
Speaker 1: little bit for you know, thirty five minutes, and then

2048
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: I'll take them out and get a cast iron hot

2049
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: and I'll do the butter and rosemary. Do you do

2050
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 1: the old pre smoke? Yeah, yep, cold or hot hot,

2051
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 1: but really really low because they're thin. I mean, after

2052
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 1: you slice them, you eat there, even at that low

2053
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,360
Speaker 1: temp for like thirty forty minutes, there are partially cooking,

2054
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: but the goal is just the smoke, just to get

2055
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of the smoke from ma and then

2056
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 1: just finish them off in a real hot cast iron

2057
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: and just eat those suckers like lamb walipops. Oh god,

2058
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: it's so good. That's a fan favorite for sure. We

2059
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 1: are trying to do a cookbook. I'm trying to copy

2060
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 1: you guys. I want to follow in your footsteps. But

2061
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: um yeah, me and uh two other buddies named Chad

2062
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: as well. So there's gonna be three of us, three chats,

2063
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 1: three Chads, one cookbook. But that's that's a great name

2064
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: for a book. That is that is and you're totally

2065
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,679
Speaker 1: safe because we're not gonna copy you and start getting

2066
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: punched in the head. But we're I want to. I mean,

2067
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: we've been talking about doing it now for a year

2068
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 1: and a half, so I have no idea when it's

2069
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,559
Speaker 1: gonna when we're gonna launch. We have all the recipes

2070
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: done and we're looking for a publisher and stuff now.

2071
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 1: But um, I just love the wild game type stuff.

2072
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm doing that part of it. We have

2073
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 1: another guy, Chad Ward, who is uh in the trigger

2074
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: in the barbecue world. He's a pit Masters Barbecue World

2075
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: champ um and he's gonna do a lot of the

2076
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 1: barbecue side of it. And then we're gonna do. Do

2077
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: you guys know who Chad Building is. He has the

2078
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: foul life. Um, he's gonna you a lot. I'm familiar

2079
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: with that. But he's gonna do a lot of the

2080
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: like the birds and stuff like that, and I'll do

2081
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,200
Speaker 1: more of the big game stuff. But it's just gonna

2082
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,639
Speaker 1: kind of be a mix of a little bit of everything. Yeah.

2083
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. When we get it done, I'll for sure

2084
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: send you guys, I'll blurb with the back I'll just

2085
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 1: blurb the dude's wild game. Did you a guy up

2086
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:25,839
Speaker 1: in Toronto? Michael Hunter? Nice? Um? All right, good fellas,

2087
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: very good. Good look at that baby man. Thank you guys.

2088
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Don't let her go in the UFC. Oh that that

2089
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: was my my question for you. Uh, buddy mine same.

2090
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, very young child at home? Like where do

2091
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 1: you put the brand new baby life versus the training life?

2092
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Speaker 1: Would you rather be doing baby life? Yeah? I love it,

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Speaker 1: And I mean my wife does most of it. She's

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Speaker 1: she's super mom for sure. Um. When I'm out doing

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Speaker 1: all this type of stuff and doing the finns and

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Speaker 1: feather stuff, she's home alone. Her family is from Missouri,

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Speaker 1: so and and my dad is like four hours south

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Speaker 1: of us, and he just doesn't really do the baby

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Speaker 1: thing anyway. So you know, she's pretty much home alone

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Speaker 1: taking care of the baby. So um, yeah, my hat's

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Speaker 1: off to her for sure. I want to give you

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Speaker 1: some parenting advice, but go for it. Well I can't.

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Speaker 1: I gotta wait twenty years. That's that's the problem with

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Speaker 1: that stuff. Man. I got like ideas, but I haven't.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been born out yet. Yeah, I could be

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Speaker 1: way off, you know, come like, find my kids and

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Speaker 1: they're all they're all jail and whatnot. Be like, dude,

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Speaker 1: don't do that. Guy, Dude, No, I think you guys

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Speaker 1: are good. I'll have to hold off when I'm when

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Speaker 1: I'm how old I be, Yeah, one of my mid sixties,

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Speaker 1: I'll be throwing around some advice. I might be like, whatever,

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Speaker 1: you dude, don't do this in hindsight, alright, Jad Mendez,

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Speaker 1: vins and feathers. Thank you guys very much. Formally, UFC, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are retired. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank

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Speaker 1: you appreciate it. Guys,